Why aren't more people on testosterone? The side effects

Are pill-form test boosters near as effective? Or are they effective at all?

>>38650496
They are almost as effective but they absolutely wreck your liver. Pinning low amounts of test (meaning not 1g a week or better yet 5g like bodybuilders) really honestly has almost no health risks.

Depends on what you want. If you're a regular guy I don't see the problem. If you're training for something, football, olympics, that's your ace card. So flip it at the right time

>>38650448
They can be effective but they are very toxic to the liver so aren't recommended for long term use like injectables are.

>>38650448
>dumb faggots who don't know what the fuck they're doing

>>38650496
meme tier my man

>>38650524
Steroids don't help in most sports actually

They use epo and other shitlike that

How do I get test and will it make me lose my hair?

>>38650534
I thought we were just talking about drugs but okay then

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>Having to cruise the rest of your miserable life in hopes of not losing your gains after you quit injecting

No thanks.

>>38650555
You can definitely do a couple of cycles without being in danger of losing the gains you made. Some of the benefits of being on steroids are permanent.

>>38650552
We specifically were talking test but AAS in general I guess

Either way roids aren't useful in most sports. They mostly make you big but not strong, at least pound for pound. Which is generally pretty bad for most non strength sports since it'd likely mske you a worse athlete

>>38650537
Only if you're predisposed to it

>>38650564
>without being in danger of losing the gains you made.

But you are full of shit.

>>38650537
If you're in the U.S you can fake having low testosterone and then go to the doctor to get a prescription.

>>38650572
Boardshorts did two 250mg/ week cycles and kept his strength gains

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>>38650579
How do you fake a blood test? are Americans that fucking retarded? you waltz in and blow wind out of your mouth and suddenly get prohibited substances?

No wonder your country is a shit hole, m8.

>>38650586
>Anecdotal evidence

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>>38650555
Yeah you're right, injecting yourself once a week sounds like too much work. Besides, when you're older it's better to look like a weak piece of shit

>>38650590
Most roid related shit is anecdotal because the research simply isn't there.

>>38650602
You're as useless as an ashtray on a motorcycle.

>>38650614
Well what do you want?

Im saying it isn't empirical evidence because there is none. Cruising forever isn't that awful btw. I don't see you'd be so opposed to it?

Consider it like any other illness you need to take medication for. Except you're not ill and you feel great

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>>38650625
>It, it's not trust me it's not anecdotal evidence!
>Hahaha so what??? like so what if you have to cruise forever it feels good bro

You Americans truly are thicker than a cinder block, no wonder you cant into intellect or politics.

>>38650590
They don't blood test people you complete idiot, it's a urine test, which you do at home. Eat like shit, don't sleep and your levels will be low, and secondly the FDA has never defined what hormone deficiency is, the doctor can interpret the results how he wants. And thirdly if you think that you will lose the gains you made after a cycle of 250mg a week for a couple of weeks you should just leave this thread.

>>38650632
You're just throwing ad hominems and trying to make anyone who replies to you look dumb.

You don't really have much to say. What is wrong with cruising forever?

>>38650635
no it's a blood test but the rest still applies

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>>38650635
>it's not a blood test

>>38650572
Found the dyel

>another steroid shilling thread

Someone must have started a business selling them kek

>>38650640
>no it'a blood test
Yeah, it must be because you say so. You also believe that you can't get your test levels low by purpose, that you will lose all of your gains after a 250mg cycle and you have no idea about anything affecting anti-aging or steroids.

>>38650579

what about canada?

>>38650663
I've gotten my testosterone(and other shit checked) over 5 times so far

It is a blood test.

I didnt say anything else you said was wrong

>>38650635
You do lose your gains when your cycle is over by the way. Anyone who denies this is a trolling moron. Your body doesn't ''need'' that extra 15 pounds of lean muscle you gained from your cycle. As soon as your natural test production is back to a normal human level, it will simply say ''well fuck all this useless shit''.

>>38650579
How do you fake having low testosterone? Tell your doctor you started taking an interest in tranny porn?

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>In america they collect your urine to check your testosterone

>>38650699

They probably do check testosterone levels, they use sewage treatment plants to see how many drugs are being consumed in different communities so I don't see why they wouldn't be using the same method to check other things.

>>38650689
You keep some, provided you eat and train well

Also cell nuclei makes it easier to build muscle after, permanently

>>38650699
It's just what OP believes - he is a huge troll and just shit posted with another
>MUH steroids
>MUH no side effects
thread.

>>38650568
>roids make you bigger but not stronger
>roids are a bad idea for athletes

Geez yeah, I guess that explains why so many star athletes get caught roiding

>>38650534
Yea it's performance enhancing drugs for sports.

>>38650729
To a certain extent and only in a few sports that benefit from it

Most of the benefit from steroids is mass. Naturally lifting you can get quite strong, but there is evidence to show that natties of the same weight as roiders are stronger.

Suggesting that something makes natural strength athletes muscle somehow more capable

>>38650523
1 gram? 5 grams?! You're retarded.

>>38650776

Those are actually pretty common amounts for bodybuilding. I've heard of higher but those guys are serious outliers.

Somewhere along the line the dosages got ridiculous and the broscience about how potent gear is got equally insane.

>>38650523

Generaly what's the scope of risk to your heart at those low doses, especially if you commit to cycling steadily for years or even cruising?

>>38651065

It's hard to extrapolate exactly, but you're probably looking at three or four times the risk of heart issues compared to a normal person. Which isn't as big as you'd think because the initial risk isn't that high but it is enough to be noticeable even in people using 'true' TRT doses which are a mile below what most people consider low doses.

>>38650568
There's literally about a 10% increase in pound for pound strength.

Along with denser neuron signalling, higher coordination (especially at high speeds), and more explosiveness.

You dont know shit.

>>38651130

10% increase in wilks, not pound for pound.

Been heeding the warnings not to plunge into gear without research, but unsure at what point I can consider myself knowledgeable enough.

Is there anything you missed when you started cycling that you regretted not knowing beforehand?

>>38651136
Fucking hell are you retarded? The wilks coefficient is literally based on strength and bodyweight on a (mostly irrelevant now) curve.

Wilks measures pound for pound strength. If someone benches 140kg at 75kg and another benches 150 at 75, he'll have the higher wilks

You're trying to suggest that having a higher amount of skeletal muscle relative to total mass could make you weaker. I could see how it could potentially make someone slower if they were top of the line genetically, as there is a lot of structural and tendon weirdness involved in sprinting, but STRENGTH?

>>38651195

Wilks isn't a straight pound for pound comparison. Adding 10% to your wilks is nowhere near the same thing as adding 10% straight relative strength.

>>38651223
>You're trying to suggest that having a higher amount of skeletal muscle relative to total mass could make you weaker

>>38651254

I've never said that. I'm just saying that the data on strength gains from steroids came back suggesting a ~10% gain in wilks. Which is not the same thing as being 10% stronger in either relative or absolute terms.

>>38651287
Are you not the anon claiming sterioids make you weaker pound for pound?

>>38651301

No, I'm not.

They theoretically could (via blowing up your bodyweight significantly faster than your strength), but you'd need to royally fuck things up for that to happen and it'd only be a short term thing while your strength catches up to the weight gain. And you'd need to be in a sport where relative strength matters significantly more than absolute strength for it to be a problem.

>>38651323
Neuromotor gains happen at the same rate so strength would keep up.

There is no way having a higher amount of skeletal muscle relative to total bodyweight is going to make anyone weaker pound for pound.

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One week lads.
First pin on Thursday!

Being as I already look better then 70% of /fit/ natty, I fully intend to leave humanity behind.

That said, OP is a cunt.
You can't perpetually cruise without consequences, and you need other compounds on hand if you're susceptible to estro sides and probably need HCG if you prefer not to have nuts the size of raisins.

>>38650809
YouTube "Rich Piana my craziest cycle".

>>38650602

You don't need 100s of case studies to work out how steroids effect the body.

Are you fucking retarded my man?

Theres also relatively little research on glioblastoma, you got any doubt it'll kill your ass fast or is that purely anecdotal?

>>38651399
>I already look better then 70% of /fit/ natty
You definitely don't, 50% at best.

>>38651470

not that anon but you're fucking retarded if you think even 10% of /fit/ looks as good as that.

the average /fitizen/ is fat or skinnyfat.

less than 20% of the entire worlds population would look like that

jesus how delusional are you

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>>38651470
Because either figure could be objectively proven.

Twat.

>>38651484
>i look like shit therefore every one looks like shit

>>38651513

no ive just browsed the cbt threads here for a few years.

and thats laughable because cbt threads preselect for the best physiques because only the best would be confident enough to submit their body.

again, tiny minority on /fit/ looks like that hands down

if you disagree you're just wrong its that basic.

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>>38651531
Thanks bb grl.
So now imagine me on gear.

>>38651558

niga i dont give a fuck bout your ambitions im just callin out a retard who thinks ripped and muscular is the /fit/ average.

>>38651566
I doubt he thinks that.
I think he just wanted to put me down for daring to assume I'm in the top 30% without being Zyzzmode.

>>38650766
>natties of the same weight as roiders are stronger
Lol K

>>38650766
thats just cause most roids promote muscle growth more than strength and most of the time your average roider is more into building muscle than strength
in short: its easier gaining muscle than strength on roids

>>38650448
>side effects are basically non-existent
do you mean the possibility that you will irreversibly fuck up you hormones and be FORCED to pin your ass for the rest of your life? I literally run out of space to pin my butt after a week because my whole fucking ass was sore.

Steroids are great when you are ON but you can't pin forever without consequences and getting off is something you never want to experiance. I almost killed myself after going off gear. I feel urge to hop on juice again but i don't know if it's wort it knowing what will happen afterwards.

>>38651470
>>38651513
>big words
>doesn't back it up
Post pic

>>38650448
I'm on 150mg a week permanently and it's mostly because my levels were fucked from constant heroin use . I'm still struggling me with my addiction but I stay on test because it makes the lethargy and depression in withdrawal so much less. I used 350mg a week and I'm just not in a place in my life where that's very beneficial for me. I'd like to get clean or on suboxone and start blasting like 50mg of trest acetate a day and maybe some anavar. Or just 350mg test and 40mg var. maybe some EQ too. Juicing is awesome

>>38650766
Are you fucking retarded my lifts went up 40% on a tren cycle in three months im doing 230kg dls for reps

>>38650496
Test boosters are worthless

Oral steroids are effective but have more health side effects due to your liver doing a lot of work metabolising them

Injectable steroids can still be liver toxic but test injections are fairly benign. Your liver does cleave the ester and process the test but for a healthy person it's nothing. Orals, even mild ones like anavar can trash your lipids much easier than test Alone


You can take oral Tesosterone, it's just expensive and weak, look up test Undec capsules, it's Long ester test also known as nebido but it's mostly used in Europe.


Make sure you know what the diff between oral steroid and test boosters are. Test boosters , usually herbal stuff, do work to give you a slight raise in natural production, but dollar for dollar it will never come close to steroids, and you could get the same boost by sleeping better, modifying your diet, watching action movies, really.

>>38650526
Test boosters are herbal crap. You're talking about oral steroids. Test boosters are like ummm tribullis long jack xma etc. they won't hurt a healthy liver.

Oral steroids are inherently liver toxic due to methylation, and there's some other factors. They will slightly increase your risk of liver cancer , as will many things, and if you abuse them for long period of time and don't take TUDCA or Sam-E or milk thistle or any number of liver Support drugs, you'll suffer from minor choleostasis (impaired bile flow) and this can lead to serious consequences. Hepatitis, jaundice, etc the first signs are fatigue, lack of appetite, yellows eyes and skin (jaindice) very light pale stool and lots of fat undies red, abdominal pain, gallstones, pancreatitis

If you take oral steroids really do your research and learn how to use TUDCA

>>38650766
You're so full of it. Testostrone gives increased motivation, sense of well being, higher RBC count, horniness, strength, mass, better sleep, etc. Steroids help everyone from table tennis players to football quarterbacks to extreme sports stuntmen

>>38650809
It's insane because 250mg test a week of any ester is many times peak natural production. Can't imagine how guys like Boston Lloyd and rich piana live. 350mg test cyp a week had my BP so high even on 1mg of arimidex a day. And I gained fuckin 40lb in two months

>>38650534
You're retarded because steroids help in EVERYTHING physical activity related. How can faster recovery increased strength and muscle mass and note agressiin not help any competitive sport ?

>>38650568
You don't know what you are talking about. Steroids won't make you bigger if you don't eat to get bigger, you'll just gain strength and bloat if it's wet and estro gets high,
You can even take dry dht based steroids to keep weight gain minimal while increasing strength

Everything you've said is wrong

You obv don't use juice or are totally new to it


Do us and urself a favour and educate yourself with proper sources instead of repeating what you think your bros know

>>38650555
I actually look forward to my injections. Twice a week with test cyp but I plan to switch to Nebido and do once a week or once every 10 days once I hit the road.


Fwiw you can shoot test subq like insulin, some ppl do it everyday to keep levels stable and reduce AI usage. It works, you just get annoying oil lumps. I prefer IM and if it weren't for scar tissue buildup id shoot everyday. Even then, I use 29g insulin pins, can't imagine much scar tissue from that tiny pin. I'm taking 25mg Aromasin twice a week and I'm thinking I could drop it entirely if I shoot everyday.

>>38650572
He's right though. You do lose a bit of gains once you drop the cycle but some are permanent, especially if you combined with GH. I'm speaking from experience, not what some scientist said whose never lifted a weight in his life. The more I juice the more I realize sometimes you just have to do something to learn about it. I realize your concept and understanding of how juice
Works will lead you to say I'm wrong. But I actually use steroids and I feel some of the gains stay with you.

>>38650625
Dude these guys don't actually juice they just judge you and comment on you for it and tell you some reference from a scientific study. They forget the real world doesn't follow classroom rules

>>38650632
Man you are an annoying twat. Fuck Europeans >>38650689
You are

>>38650689
You obviously haven't run a couple cycles. I quit lifting from an injury after a 350mg a week test cyp cycle and have stayed noticeably bigger than my natural self after a year

i've got a question regarding testosterone prescribed by a doctor. Let's say you got your bloodwork done and you got low test. Doctor presribes you test so you can pin your ass on your own. How much you can get from a doctor? He will tell you for sure to pin some shitty amounts that wont give you any advantage over healhy peoples hormonal range. You can finish one vial in 2 weeks or less depends on how much you pin but what happens next? You have to go again to get another prescription? Or this shit is calculeted individually and you can talk doctor into prescribing amounts that will get you ready for mr O?

>>38650719
I agree with you. This subreddit is full of people who comment on steroids and their effects clearly without having any real experience. I know the general consensus is steroids are a temporary thing but I feel they've permanently changed my body. Maybe because I combined with GH. I'm just bigger. More blood, more bone, more muscle. I am like 15lb heavier than my set point, my joints are noticeably thicker and I feel like I actually grew in the rib cage and shoulders .

>>38650766
This is the dumbest thing I've read in quite some time


How can a natty lifter be stronger lb for lb than the same person but juicing? This is just completely backwards. Some of the stuff I've read today makes me question what kind of bro science babble you poor minds are exposed to

>>38651794
1mg of arimidex is way too high. Unless you're some freak of nature you wouldn't need that much AI for 250mg of test a week. My best guess is you had low estrogen, not high. Too much arimidex will also wreck your lipid profile.

>>38651794
Shit genetics

>>38651065
You are likely going to have left ventricle hyper trophy at such huge doses, lifters get it anyways but combined with juice it's a guarantee. You can take micardis and it will help but a gram of juice is a lot. Lee priest says he never used doses anywhere near that range. What rich piana does is basically drug abuse. Sure you can do it and live to be 90 but you can also smoke and shoot heroin and live to be 110 doesn't mean it's good for you

No amount of clean eating or pharma drugs will protect your lipids at those doses and your liver and kidneys get really taxed. Again, you can do all sorts of things to help but at a point it's just inevitable . Rich piana's heart is probably enlarged significantly. He's a steroid addict

>>38651082
Every steroid user should be on telmisaratan to protect their heart and keep BP in range. It's An amazing drug and super cheap too. A very potent cardio support drug

I don't know how to get it and I'm probably too anti social to form connections who can

>>38651145
Blood pressure and AI. Don't let estrogen creep up, learn the warning signs if you don't have access to regular bloodwork.

Keep a few different AI meds on hand because you might prefer one over the other. I stared with Aromasin and switched to arimidex and now back on aromasin. Keep a SERM like Evista around for emergencies for gyno prevention and if you have to come off. Keep blood pressure meds on hand or better yet just take 80mg telmisaratan everyday and never come off it

Umm... Other than that the best way to learn is to start. 250mg test a week, expect to take Aromasin once or twice a week or a small dose of arimidex everyday. you'll learn how to dial in your dosages. Also put money aside for good bloodwork or else it's all Just a guessing game with you reacting instead of being proactive. Not the end of the world. But it's def safer getting proper bloods

>>38651399
I've been on test for a year straight with no HCG and my balls are maybe 75% of their original size. You're also kind of arrogant and you don't look that good

>>38651484
Wow another dude just laying the bar low . You like to set limits for yourself hey?

>>38651619
Wut? Permanent shutdown has never been proven. I've juiced for a year straight and never pinned my ass. I use insulin needles. Still don't get why roiders love huge cattle size injections. And why the duck do people pin their glutes? Quads are so much easier to hit and you don't gotta sit on it if you got bad PIP

>>38651922
You don't know shit. Everyone is different. I react better to Aromasin than I do arimidex. Dex is weak as shit in my body or my source was crap. I'm also on fin so my estro conversion is higher. I'm tired of guys like you being repeaters of non information. Where in yet steroid rule book does it say what doses are set in stone for what AI you take? Here's a tip: actually go from experience combined with science and not just solely on what you've read

>>38651923
Considering how good I looked before I even touched juice I'm pretty sure my genetics are better than yours fuckboy. This thread just reminded me why I quit 4chan. Have a nice life Autist

>>38651922
And your best guess is wrong retard, I had oily skin, painful nips etc. And want to see the bloodwork? How bout you keep your medical opinion to yourself dr house

>>38652059
are you still on gear? you have problems

>>38652059
>can't handle a stranger on the internet trolling him

Wew lad you're insecure

>>38651887
I think they have you come into the office and get a nurse to do it.

just an announcement that I fully regret coming here. Bunch of fcking repeaters. I use LOGIC and EXPERIENCE. Just cuz my experience doesn't echo what you read in some online forum doesn't mean I'm wrong. I'm on TRT now and the doc gives me 25mg Aromasin twice a week and my bloodwork comes back in range. I also look better and perform at a professional level that you'll never achieve, and I put on muscle by just stretching and doing yoga so if my genetics are shit yours must be fuckig ultimate pleb tier. Keep being you 4chan, I forgot how shitty it was here

>>38652069
You have no idea who I am and if you did you'd realize how stupid you sound

>>38652066
My problem is I get annoyed when dudes who've lifted a couple years and read some online forums and repeated what others have said about juicing put down my opinion and experience because it doesn't mesh with what they have been told by the gallery of morons from /fraud/ and maybe some fucking Reddit forum about gear .

You know the world is crazy when you identify with rich piana and the shit he says about your online nerds, your lack of logic, and the fact you tell ppl with actual experience in the game they are wrong.

The more I do shit myself and learn about it the more I realize 90% of ppl posting online don't know shit even tho they act like they do

>>38651843
what the fuck, just pin 8ml of nebido once a month and you'll have 250mg pw

Are there really no side effects to 250mg test cycle? About how long is a cycle, i think I've read 16 weeks. My life is garbage and i self medicated for years, where i would feel good about things for mere hours at a time with drugs. If i can feel good for 16 weeks at a time i think i may be able to get thrlugh this life.

>>38650448
I thought people seriously did animal adrenaline?

>>38652098
jeff pls go

>>38652098
>>38652098
>>38652098
Whoa guys we've got a celebrity in our midst!

>>38652131
Except you won't

Go read about half lives

>>38652031
>why the duck do people pin their glutes? Quads are so much easier to hit
i've pinned my quad only once (with test prop), and i had the worst pain i ever experianced in my life. I shot it around 6 PM and i woke up in the middle of the night with such pain i wanted to die. I couldn't walk for 2 weeks after that. Never had that issue while pinning my ass.

>>38652098
Jason Bloho don't you have a bull to prep?

>>38652192
You autistic freaks should sometimes be reminded that there's a world out there beyond your little echo chamber. You'd never talk like you do to me IRL so you can say all the memes and crap you want but I know for a fact next time I walk by you or see you at the gym you wouldn't ever say shit to my face

Ps I'm right you're wrong
Pps /fraud/ is the bottom of the barrel in online steroid discussion

>>38652196
>"I don't know what nebido is"
- the post

>>38652141
>My life is garbage
so imagine it being multiple times worse after you get off cycle because it will happen unles you want to cruise for your entire life

>>38652203
I pin quads twice a week with 29g and most times I don't even get a drop of blood. Stop using horse sized tranq needles, there's no point.

>>38652219
Youre an idiot and if you actually used nebido in your life you'd know 10 days between shots is about as long as you can go without huge peaks and troughs. Explain to me how you can front load Undec and get 250mg a week constantly. Better yet go plug it into steroid graphs and see the raw data proving you're an idiot. Another example of a dude telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when he's never touched the drug in question and I have experience running it

>>38652203

You suck at needles.

>>38652203
Different anon, but that's odd. I remember my first pinnings did make my quads sore but not anymore. Make sure you don't fidget the needle around, I've also noticed I sneakily get tense in the muscle I'm pinning which makes it worse.

Also if the oil is cold, you inject large amounts, and the contents matter - very high concentration tends to make it worse, something about it being "crystal" form or something can't remember exactly

I did get slight needle phobia as I used to "dart" the needle in, I hit something (nerve, muscle knot?) the second time. Go in slowly rather now.

>>38652219
Ps your idea of shooting nebido once a month is about as smart as docs that give you a shot of test cyp every week. Have fun with that. Come back and post and tell me what Google told you the half life of an Undec ester is. And then explain to me how that will give you a consistent release of 250mg a week rather than the reality of a huge ramp up and huge ramp down. Or even better! Actually use the drug yourself and find out. Fucking idiot

>>38652203

You're supposed to aspirate before injecting to make sure you're not hitting a blood vessel. Intramuscular injections are painless if done right.

t. Nurse.

>>38652270
Aspirating is pointless and new instructions to medical professionals say so. You realize as soon as you pull the plunger to check for a blood plume you've moved the needle in or out of a vein? I aspirated for like the first week of using then realized how pointless of an endeavour it is. It doesn't matter if you see blood or not, As soon as you start pushing the plunger down the needle has moved in or out

>>38652225
>>38652249
>>38652251
i think it was 25G x 1" / 0.5 x 25 mm needle i i had 1ml of prop loaded in syringe

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>>38650448
Medfag here. We're really not sure what long term exogenous hormone use will do to a person. There are a few cases now (see Arnold) of old guys, but many of these people did not use close to doses employed by today's athletes.

That said, we know the acute effects pretty well. Hormone supplementation can decimate natural production, leading to life long dependancy. This may not be physiologically deleterious, but it is a financial consideration.

I guess the most important thing to remember is whether a choice is right or wrong for you, has no bearing on someone else.

>>38652287
Jesus

Just get some insulin pins . Big needles are pointless unless you're pinning over 1ml of oil at a time or its in castor oil. Grape seed flows fine through diabetic needle

>>38652287
Brown-reddish at the base? I think I use those same ones, a little narrow to inject an oily base so it's good to go patiently when injecting

My paramedic friend advised that it's important to stretch the site with your fingers when going in and when actually injecting, so it just doesn't go into the skin/barely under it. After that, stretch and press the site with a buffer - slightly rubbing it

He also said that smaller needles hurt more when penetrating, but my needle phobia says otherwise

>>38652309
Oh my god another doctor wacko quack who has no real life experience


Link me to one study showing permanent shutdown from steroids

It doesn't fcking exist

After years of use some people have a hard time coming back with clomid. A shot of triptorelin will have these people at peak natty production in less than a week.

What the fcks the point of spending all that money on Med school when some juice head on a Burmese Python charming board knows more than you?

>>38652328
If I can use a 29g 1/2" pin to push oil based test at below room temp through with ease , a 25g should never be too narrow

>>38652309
Arndold had SIX huge operations on his heart, each and every single one potentially deadly.

>>38652340
I haven't tried those, but I find that with even 25G I need to put bit of force to it, which means more fidgeting or shakiness

>>38652332
I grew up in a family of doctors, some of them have steroid users in their 50s as clients - they all have horrible blood values and a complete shitted up health.

>>38651896
>this subreddit

>>38652367
Most doctors are fucking tools and your family is no exception. I don't expect medical doctors of all ppl to know fuck all about juicing considering the kinds of info I've gotten in a drs office. I'm not one of those kinds of ppl who automatically respect a medical degree. You sound like the people who tell me I'm gonna be crippled soon cause their dads and uncles used to be powerlifters but now can't walk. Just fuck right off medical school boy, have fun spending a hundred grand to learn shit that isn't even correct

>>38652367
Ps and how does your doctor faggot family having dumbass clients that didn't know how to juice because they are dumb fucks mean steroids will ruin you? Where's the study I asked for proving your incorrect bullshit? The world is full of stupid people. The fsggot patients of your faggot nerd Doctor family don't mean shit to me. Last year a world Reknown South African medical doctor told me i probably have a pituitary tumor because my nipples were sore. Have fun being a future doctor fucko. Maybe try not acting like your bulllshit family education and your current medical schooling means something to me. You sound dumb as fuck, you'll make a great typical doctor. Have fun championing a sick medical system that has done nothing to promote holistic health and well being for the last couple centuries you fsggot

>>38652431
Found the butthurt europoor. My man is just hurt about his wage slave life, and how he was turned down from all the programs.

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>>38652332
You are pretty delusional.
The effects of a lifelong hormone administration is literally a non issue, and not discussed in med school at all.

You know how to read and spew drug names, congratulations, i guess.

>>38652408
a doctor definitely touched ur pee pee at night

So is the takeaway from this thread to try to fluctuate a low test level when you get your blood checked via diet/sleep manipulation and get the good legal shit?

>>38652332
Mate, please read. I was pretty careful with my language. It CAN lead to life long dependancy. In azoosoermatic men, a combination therapy of HCG, and a load of other hormones can restore fertility. That's 4 months and a lot of cash, but about 96% effective.
The other problem you run into is periods of acute supra physiologic doses lead to periods of hormone slump. During these times, your "sick superhuman gains" slump, leading to another period of supplementaion, because you're profound need to feel important means you'll never want to quit. You'll go on a meme shillery board and try to justify how great and smart you are, but you're just another faggot dumping money into a hobby in hopes of finding some kind of justification in the opinions others will never have.

>>38652431
Sorry you didn't get in mate. At least you have your gains. I'll be sure to leave you a nice tip next time I find you serving me somewhere. Always have to remember the little people.

>>38650590
> How do you fake a blood test? are Americans that fucking retarded? you waltz in and blow wind out of your mouth and suddenly get prohibited substances?

You can purposefully crash your Test levels, then get bloodwork done.

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>>38651145

A simple first cycle of 500 mg/wk Test-E is so simple there wasn't anything surprising about it. Get bloods precycle and during (about 6 weeks in to check for any abnormalities and maybe adjust your AI depending on E2 levels). PCT isn't difficult after a simple first cycle either.

>>38652220
I've been in deeper shit than testosterone withdrawal. For years long periods. If i can lead a happy life every other 16 weeks, I'll gladly accept the shit in between with a smile.

Maybe one day when I don't have to use needles or risk my liver

>>38652885
How did you plan to deliver it then? Anally?

>>38652829
I literally was thinking the same way as you are thinking now but you have no idea how bad it is in reality.

>>38652915
I'll just wait for better technology

>>38652088
>just an announcement
nice blog post, upboted

>>38650448
>The side effects are basically non-existent
yeah being testosterone-dependent for life is like nothing dude, let's all shoot up!

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>>38652332
>Can't type punctuation
>Can't type "fuck" because he's too scared his mommy might come in and see his bad words
>Doesn't know that using hormones causes your body to decrease hormone production in response, which is common knowledge
>Worships steroid, saying that "IT HAS NO DRAWBACKS AT ALL DUDE" even though he has been shown multiple times that it does have some drawbacks

>>38650448
>worse cardio health across all parameters, accelerates tumor growth

>>38652586
> You can purposefully crash your Test levels

how? i thought most shit you can do without medication has very little effect?

>>38651399
you look better than 95% of fit, people who post in cbt are already proud of how they look, they amount that lurks and looks like shit is disproportionate
>>38651470
fug off troll
>>38651484
I'd say less than .5% of the world's population looks that good, you must take into account the elderly, the children, the impoverished

feels weird floating this guy's boat but it had to be said
imo there's no reason to take test dude, just keep doing what you're doing

I've been cruising on test for a few years.
I take all the necessary precautions (blood tests every few months, donate blood regularly, stocked up on AI and PCT meds though I don't need them, and have several vials of test stored in several places so if any is lost I'm not out.)

Life has been much better in almost every regard since using test. Career, fitness, appearance, sex life, social life. Everything benefited.

Of course, I know that if something goes horribly wrong and for some reason I can no longer use it, then it would suck major ass. I've accepted this as worth the risk.

As for health complications, I have not had any problems as yet.

I cruise on 200mg/w test-e. Done a couple of blasts but don't intend on doing any more as I don't want to get heavier.
May use an oral like winny or var at the tail end of my next cut tho.