>natural lifting Why even waste your time to end up

Looks better than he did before most likely. Not everyone starts in twink mode.

>>38287356
Most people don't lift at all, he stilk looks better than about 95% of guys.

this is what brosplitting gets you

>>38287356
He looks like such a dork desu. Like a naive teenagish one. Not a /r9k/ robot manchild.

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>>38287356
this is why I'm always and forever staying bear mode

>>38287456
Alex pls

>>38287456
>walrusmode

It's something about the professional photography, spray tan, stage lighting, and board shorts that gives this photo an uncanny valley effect.

If you saw this guy in a CBT with a mirror selfie from a smart phone his physique would be impressive.

>>38287630
the thing is he would only look good in pictures not in real life because he's fucking small like all natties

>>38287356
lol @ natties

>>38287356
Looks pretty aesthetic and probably better than me or you OP

>>38287356
why do they wear those stupid fucking shorts?? you could just train your legs and pop on some brief and fucking rek the competition

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>>38287356

Zyzz may have juiced but according to scooby his peak body is still possible to achieve natty (by most)

>>38290647
I think so too, but with flawless diet and exercise

>>38290647
Keep on dreaming. I remember my first year of lifting and then reality hits.

>>38290606

He has to wear those type of shorts for the class hes in competition rules you noob

>>38290647
Absolutely, but not in 6 months or a year. It would take 3-4 years of serious lifting and dieting. Time and consistency. It's a concept that has evaded /fit since it's inception.

>>38290671
Not much progress after 2 years reporting in?

>>38290647
I think i can agree with that, but it will take a long fucking time and you'll have to dedicate most of your time to it, like in those iron lifer memes

When will you /fit/ retards admit that it's GENETICS that matter, not roids?

The reason why he's small isn't because of his lack of anabolic use, it's because of his FRAME.

>>38290856
>that it's GENETICS that matter

Tell that to /fit/'s klinefelters.

>>38290647
>internet filled with the pictures of him getting pinned by his gf
>"may have juices"

/roids/ leaking, please stay in your containment thread

>>38290900
>/roids/ leaking

Who do you think you are?

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>>38290647
>achievable natty
of course. Just look at Jeff

>>38290947
jeff is far from natty dumbassarino

>>38290947
>You just gotta be dedicated man
>Make sure you work one muscle a day for an hour, only 12 reps for 3 sets
>Gotta keep your diet on par man, only eat chicken breast 6 times a day
>You can totally have this body in 12 months with just a little work and dedication man
There, summed up every retarded on facebook that would respond to steroids allegations

>>38290980
jeff pls go

>>38290980
What is he taking?

>>38290991
>Says Jeff uses steroids
>Some how thinks that is Jeff defending himself
You need to stop posting

>>38290988
>posting steroids allegations on FB

But never go that retard.

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>>38287356
My friend is natty and I think his physique is quite desirable. He placed 1st at his very first competition.

Natty people look horrible in sub 10% bf, you simply cant have big mass and low bf as natty, if he didnt cut so much, and posted a cb thread everyone would be asking him for numbers and routine.

>>38291148
>Natty people look horrible in sub 10% bf, you simply cant have big mass and low bf as natty

I love this meme.

>fat "supports" your muscle mass

>>38290647
Christian Guzman has a very similar physique. He is stronger than zyzz to and arguably more aesthetic. LOL jk zyzz will always be king if aesthetics. But srsly Christian is up there

>>38290647
scooby is a libshit faggot whos been on trt for more than 2 decades now, he is so deluded he actually thinks he himself is natty

>>38287356
That's a great physique. Stop falling for /fit/ trolls

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>>38290671
>>38290900

don't get mad at us for your shit bodies (please post them)

>>38291094
>desireable
no, too much maintenance
but a lot of mid 40 women would pay for a night with that

>>38290980
this, you can even see the needle marks in that pic

When people post pictures of these natty lifters, they seem to forget this is them depleted for a show

When you're natty and compete you end up flat but lean, visit these guys 3 months later in the gym and you'd swear they were on some shit

>>38291094
that pic does not look natty... those delts, them veins. he's far too shredded

>>38290690
Delusional ignorant tard detected

Zyzz body won't happen without drugs you stooge fucks. Get it through your thick heads.

>>38291415
You're a fool.

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>>38291503
not on his brosplit anyway

I can't believe I'm typing all this out but the dumbasses on here need to know. I've been lifting pretty consistently for two years and have debated steroid usage
Then realised I was being a retard. Unless you are competeting or doing a college/professional level sport, there is no reason. To start, you don't need roids to have a pussy slaying physique. If you lift right for a few years with good nutrition you will be good looking enough to stand out, and good enough to slay mad poon. Also, you idiots don't realise if you roid your gonna need to buy a heap ton of expensive chemicals to run a PCT and keep some of the gains
You face health risk when your older especially if you do it before you're fully grown. Many people on steroids report a euphoric top of the world feeling. When they stop, alot developer depression, mania and other mental issues which could be permanent. If you are prone to depression definitely do not do steroids.
It's just not worth it boys. Unless you plan to use for a long time do not do it.

>>38287391
Try 99%, vast majority of people don't lift and the portion that does often is dyel/built fat anyways like here on /fit/

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Reminder that Omar Isuf has a video on what's achievable natty and mentions that dudes like Sandow were undeniably natty because anabolic steroids hadn't been introduced yet. To add to that they weren't using the most ideal training techniques.

>>38291761
Sandow had some lottery-tier genes though.

>>38290647
Holy fuck you must be new. Zyzz peaked at 220lbs 6% bodyfat using tren+prop+mast+clen+t3+dnp year round to blow up lean.
220lbs 6% bf at 6' 1" has a FFMI of 27.4
(anything over 25 is clearly only roids acheivable since you can not hold that much muscle on that frame with natty test levels).
Add Narcotics to his cycle and you can see why he's dead.

>>38292093
Also looks like he has some obvious manlet proportions. If you're under 5'10, your physique doesn't count.

>38287356
he looks great besides his giraffe neck

>>38290947
are you trolling? This dude is obviously on gear.

>>38291583
This

>>38291263
Top kek at pic. Remember story, 10/10 would read again

>>38293986
I didn't find it funny

>>38291761
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2y1K5KjWcw

>5'5 ~148lbs
left is current and right is about 6 months ago. i'm natty and i haven't yet reached my genetic potential, so any lifter <6' with good genetics can realistically aspire to my current physique. finding natural physique inspiration is a shitshow.

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>>38295057
forgot pic

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>>38295057
>5'5

>>38295057
Manlet memes aside, looking good.

>>38295105
it's like fat fucks like you don't want help

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>>38287356
natural legs?

>>38295057
Not trying to shit on you (i'm mirin) but this would be a lot harder at 6'+. I wish I was a manlet.

>>38295057
>>38295069

Looking good man
Lifts/Routine/Time lifting/Measurements?

>>38295176
thanks bro
>>38295205
i understand, which is why i catered my advice towards <6' lifters with good genetics
>>38295212
3 years
Push
>bb bench
>incline db bench
>cable flyes
>ohp
>tricep pulldowns
>front hammer raises
>lateral raises
Pull
>bb cheat curls
>db cross-body hammer curls
>bb row
>db row
>chinups
>hex bar shrugs
>db shrugs
Legs
>squat (usually stop here desu)
>leg extensions
>leg curls
>calf raises
i go to the gym 3-5 times a week and hit whatever isn't sore again

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>>38291263
Based Achilles

>>38291415
>fake tan
>oil
>lighting

He appears at least twice as defined as he really is in the pic.

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>>38291094
IS THOSE ABS DRAWN ON MOTHERUCK REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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M M M M M M
A A A A A A
N N N N N N
L L L L L L
E E E E E E
T T T T T T

>>38296731
>drawn on
they look chiseled on to me

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>>38296757
that's what I call shit posting

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>>38290947
Jeff could be natty, look up pics of him when he was a young teen he just has the genetics of Greek gods, that's why he has a perfectly symmetrical 8 pack

>>38290647
scooby never said that, infact he said the opposite in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMTMAPw3ajs

>>38287456
>bear mode
>blob mode

>>38291415
It's just the lighting and so forth. And yes he is natty. I'm tight with a lot of the bros in his frat and he was one of my best friends on my highschool swim team I asked him one time and he said he want to see how far he can go without it. He's got great genetics, especially with those shoulders.

>>38296731
No his abs pretty much looked like that. I saw him a couple days after his comp. he lost it a little with all of his eating but he maintains abs really well.

>>38287356
The key to natural lifting and looking good is having higher body fat Tbh

>>38290900
> what is reading comprehension

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>>38296817
Not with those delts and full/dryness of his look. Not to mention his compulsive lying.
>He never took all state in wrestling.
>He constantly photoshops his pics.
>He STILL claims 6ft despite being obviously shorter than Dave Palumbo, whos is like 5'7 or 5'8.

All could be reasonably overlooked if he wasn't Rich Piana tier insecure/tryhard

>>38297610
Not to mention that if you are an ifbb pro competitor and you place reasonably there is a 100% chance you will be enhanced and lie about it. Contractually. Although Jeff was doing so beforehamd, but with his aspirations it isn't like being honest about that would help him

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>>38296817
>Jeff could be natty

You're the reason I hate /f/it.

One delusional moron preaching to a herd of others.

Human body does not like carrying excessive muscle. It is detrimental to survival.

Testosterone and its derivatives are the only way to overcoming your bodies natural inhibition.

90% of all fit, athletes, sports persons, gym rats, are dosing anabolics.

If you don't believe me I'm honestly at no loss. I tried illuminating the way.

>>38287356
Michael Cera started lifting when?

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>>38294661
I was talking about pic related

Looked an hour for this

>>38297635
So my body doesn't want me to be Aesthetic?

>>38300057
not skeletor but, no your body wants to survive, not to be aesthetic

>>38295252
> <6
> gud gendtics

>>38287456
How do you get rid of that level of gynecomastia? Serious question. Do you just workout consistently?

>>38300140

That's not gyno. That's just being fat as fuck.

>>38300150
How do you get rid of it? The skin seems so stretched.

>>38291094

He looks like he's in the game Borderlands.

>>38291178
Love CG but he is nowhere near zyzz level you are delusional, just look at CGs stats nigger his heaviest is like 190 and he's got an inch or 2 on zyzz and his chest+ab insertions arent as gud

>>38300140
>>38300150
>>38300203

But what is surgery? fat people get those for free in norway

>>38287356
1.That guy ain't natty
2.A semi-natural getting down to bodyfat levels that low will eat up a shit ton of muscle and leave them with a deflated smaller body.
3.Most men back in the old days had that amount of muscle but they only dieted down to something that was achievable by regular niggas.
10-13ish% bodyfat.
Why? Because it looked normal, like something the every day joe could get AND it didn't intimidate the women.

When "natural" contests drop the disasterously low bodyfat requirements and even award them for looking a bit more normal?
THEN we'll see some serious shit.

>>38291583
Yet another person who has never tried steroids but thinks they know everything about them. You are just coping shit off Wikipedia and thinking it applies to everyone.

>>38300832
>1.That guy ain't natty
bruh

>>38300923
Dude, he's not.
Natural is not on drugs for a certain period of time AND pissing clean.
That's it.
A lot of the natural winners for those contests are mainlining bull testosterone nonstop till two months before the contest when they need to shrink a bit to look natural then diet.

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>>38290606
>you could just train your legs
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they don't train legs...

>>38300959
The guy in op looks like someone who's been lifting for 2 years

>>38287391
>>38291600

>b-b-b-but he looks better than MOST people!!!

Most people don't even fucking lift or watch what they eat.

This guy trained and cardio'd for so many hours, had an insanely strict diet regiment and suffered insane amounts of contest prep, and what the fuck does he have to show for it?

Yeah.

A guy working 100 hours a week as a mcdonalds supervisor can make like 55k a year but you don't say "well, he makes more money than most people! see! it's fine!"

No, he's fucking killing himself getting cucked.

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>>38296817

>>38291761
insulin existed, stimulants that help with cutting existed

>>38301313
That would be correct if he were in the low teens in terms of bodyfat percentage.
But he's not.
He's in the single digits.

>>38301472
Gear is for wimps bruh.

>>38300979

God damn, Ramy makes him look absolutely tiny

>>38287356
>natural lifting
>Why even waste your time

Lifting as a natural isn't a waste of time.

Trying to look like an over-cooked, oiled up Ken-doll is a waste of time (IMO).

Unless you're really into pageantry. They should give out crowns, lol.

>>38297610
I have friends whom have met him, and relative to my friends hight I think Jeff is about as tall as me (5'11-6'0).

>>38290647
LMAO

>>38291761
5'8" honestly who gives a fuck

>>38295057
>5'5
>Any lifter <6'
There's a big difference between 5'5 and 5'10 retard. You're talking an extra 30 lbs of muscle and skeleton

>>38287356
>stupid dinosaur tattoo
>stupid dinosaur neck

everything about him is stupid

>>38302111
Yeah, Scoob is one of those guys who's been on gear and in a community of lifters who's been on gear so long that they don't have any idea what a real natural can do or look like.

It's POSSIBLE to put on that much mass, but it would take damned good genetics(ironically enough Zyzz lacked those genetics and needed gear to get even modest gains) and or unbelievably hard fucking work and sacrifices NO ONE ON THIS BOARD is willing to make to achieve.

Trust me. I was bigger then steve reeves as a natural and the amount of effort and eating and work it took to get there and maintain it for months was fucking ridiculous. I didn't have a life outside of workingout, learning about working out in all forms, school, learning, practicing my sport and sleeping.

>>38287356
This is what 90% of women want

>>38295202
Her
Natural

You having a giggle mate?

>>38291761
they injected bullsemen and shit bruh

>>38302228
>This is what 90% of women want
Lol, not even close.

I don't know many "women" that want their dude to be the same weight (or lighter) than the average american woman.

>>38287356

Looks like every day is leg day at his gym.

>>38302228
>caring about what women want

>>38287456
Wholy shit i that actually you? Wow your fat! So fucking glad i don't look like you. Wow. Stop drinking soda and fried shit man. Eat some vegetables!

>>38290661
Same. I think its acheivable natty too.... but needs a flawless diet fors sure.

>>38290671
Really? I made massive progress in my first year. Transformation style.

>>38290647
>his peak body is still possible to achieve natty (by most)

Are you fucking kidding me? I'm at 5'7 with 6 inch wrists and there is no fucking way I can hit 200lbs LEAN and natty. For a while I thought I could get up to 200 lean until the limitations of my waifish frame and manlet body really began to set in.

I can look decent but I will never, ever put on the mass Zyzz had as long as I'm natty. That's fine with me, I'll still like the way I look but down go around telling people everyone can by like Zyzz natty. Maybe a handful can but not most

>>38301668
So you're telling me that in photos where he is with guys who are 5'8 and looks their height or shorter are some how bullshit? You're telling me that the fact that he is billed at 5'8 in competition is bullshit?

>>38291761
they were cutting with cocaine, bruh.

>>38297635
>Human body does not like carrying excessive muscle. It is detrimental to survival.

If it's built with your natural test, it can't be excessive.

Pseudoscience like yours is the reason why I hate /fit/ sometimes.

>>38303358
Do you know how I know that you're permabulking, bro?

>>38303529
That guy is right.
You can't carry a relatively large amount of muscle as a natural.
It just isn't happening.

>>38299828
Nice

>>38290995
up his ass.

>>38287356
First off he doesn't look that bad, second off you need genetics to make >250 lbs look good.

Also I look about 1.5 times as big as that and I'm natty.

>>38292141
how does that 25 thing work?
I remember watching a video on it and I guess it had a calculator to calculate if natty or not but forgot about the name

>>38287356
That guy is ripped as fuck

>>38295069
le reddit appears

>>38307057
leg day, not even once

you cunt

>>38296830
>Scoobs pls come back

>>38307139
How could you possibly tell when half of his legs are covered up?

>>38291761

he looks dyel tbqh

>>38302349
>(or lighter) than the average american woman.
Let's change that to the average western woman.

'Cause really, 166.2 lbs at 5'4" is gross.

>>38305676
I think the problem here is that natty competitors try to get super lean and just lose shit tons of mass.

It's just dumb. If you're a bodybuilder and natty (lol), don't try to achieve that 6% bf. You're just going to look DYEL as fuck. That guy didn't even make it to 6%.

>>38307194
are you aware of calves? fucking prick

I've accepted I can't balloon up and be huge as a natty, but what about strength potential as a natty?

I've been lifting for almost two years now (natty) and am about 20-30 lbs past 1/2/3/4 pl8s. I want 2/3/4/5 just cause.

>>38306979
http://www.naturalphysiques.com/28/fat-free-mass-index-ffmi

It takes your height, weight, and BF into account. Basically this:
1) You can be huge but not super lean
2) You can be lean but not super huge
If you are super lean and super huge, you're not natty. That's why you get lifters like OP's pic. They try to go super lean without roids and they end up not being able to hold onto what mass they once had.

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>>38297610
>>38302716

I met Jeff irl at a rave and he was slightly taller than me. I'm 5'11

>>38287456
Here's your (you).

...You ARE taking the piss, right?

>>38296817
Delts and traps, chest too just blew up age 15 to 16, he started gear at 16.
Face also became bloated at age 17, nigga is on gear.

sometimes i think it's great you can't form huge muscles as natty otherwise i couldn't fucking squat huge weights without looking like a fucking cartoon

but other times i just want to have bigger delts or back

):

>>38287356
That's bodybuilding, and no you probably shouldn't get into it if your genetics are that bad, but if you enjoy doing it, regardless of how you look, go for it.

>>38290647
Scooby never said that it's achievable for most people he said it's achievable for someone natural with top 1% genetics

>>38302514
of fucking course it's not; stop being retarded