So, /fit/... who're the most intolerable faggots? >vegan

You are

>>38226999

can't argue with trips

>>38226999
FPBP
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>>38226995
Vegan by far.

The fact VirginGains has to roid to look that shitty and ignored his jaundice as he becomes increasingly yellow in tint is terrifying.

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>>38226995
>people who complain all the time
Tfw a lot of my friends complain about everything
Tfw I'm the optimist in the group and its getting harder and harder to stay optimistic

>>38226995
Im intolerante to nigger dick flavoured pudding

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>>38226999

>>38226995

Vegans, hands down.

Paleo is just a "choice" really.

Keto actually works for a lot of people (in that it helps people stick to their diet.) I've done it myself.

Gluten-free is just a result of ignorance. Unless you have a specific allergy to gluten, there's literally nothing wrong with it.

>>38226995
Vegans, but gluten free and paleo take a honorable place right besides them. And keto fags are just a step under all of them. Fuckers are worst the crossfiters, mormons and jehova witnesses

>>38227095
you can't mention that you like oatmeal or brown rice without some paleo or ketofag hopping on you about how UNHEALTHY you are

>>38227025

I vote tripfags

>>38227144
>Virgin Gains decides to visit /fit/
Stay mad VG

People who misunderstand nutrition and claim superiority for understanding calories in and calories out disregarding actual science on the way

>>38227168
>disregarding actual science on the way
what did he mean by this?

>>38227144
Second this

>>38226995
>Gluten Free

Can we make that fake Gluten Freers?

I have Coeliacs so unless you want me to shit everywhere, vomit and start choking I'm going to be intolerable.

>>38227070
You're trying very hard to force this as a meme and it's not working, dude.

>>38226995
Vegans, definitely.

>>38226995
paleo

vegan diet actually has health proven health benefits
gluten-free and keto don't usually feel the need to talk about their diets

>>38226995
Would plow chick on right

>>38226995
Vegans, jesus christ shut the fuck up about guilt tripping and cherry-picked shitty studies to try so hard to find an excuse about your diet that needs heavy supplemention.

Then there's gluten-free, I have no idea what gluten is or what it does but why is everyone suddendly allergic to it?

>>38227113
what's wrong with oatmeal or brown rice?

>>38227187

>keto don't usually feel the need to talk about their diets

Bullshit. They're the reason "carb" is bad word now.

>>38227205

>Vegans, jesus christ shut the fuck up about guilt tripping and cherry-picked shitty studies to try so hard to find an excuse about your diet that needs heavy supplemention.

>>grrr, stop being right about things

Ketofags can be annoying as hell, but vegans are definitely the worst. Fucking lol at how they think shouting at random people on the street who are wearing animal fur or leather is benefiting their cause

>>38227180
Then don't come. Consider yourself on permaquarentine

>>38227242
Prime example here, folks

>>38227187
>keto don't usually feel the need to talk about their diets
So you haven't eaten with ketofags right?

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Someone asked me to spot for the first time
We're all gunna make it

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>>38226995
Probably vegan because they're the loudest.
Gluten-free people are sometimes reasonable, like my brother who gets an explosive diarrhea and gases for a week from gluten so it is more than justified.

>>38227051
Holy shit Iktf bro, everyone is so fucking miserable and negative these days

>>38227242
that's why your diet lacks vitamins and all other shit without getting it from supplements
you cant even process the omega3 from plants because youre not a fucking herbivore animal.

the only reason vegan diets havent died yet is because all the people have been eating meat, eggs and all that shit they removed, for decades so it will take years to actually have an impact on their health.
which is why just last month a kid was near death status thanks to their vegan parents that gave him a vegan diet.

Why don't you breed and submit your child(actually fuck that, poor kid) to a test where he eats a vegan diet since the moment he's born till he's an adult against a kid that eats animal products

>>38226995
Vegans.
The holier-than-thou attitude and this whole "muh mass animal genocide" talk are really off-putting.
And some of them being literally Hitler tier and Elliott Rodger tier doesn't help either.

>>38227332

>supplement industry is built primarly around omnivores buying multis, vitamin c, and powdered fiber
>durr vegans take supplements

>>38226995

People who eat whatever diarrhea they feel like and get mad at people who limit their diet choices in an attempt to eat healthfully

>>38227402
supplement industry is built on jewing people off
I eat a varied diet but I still take ZMA from time to time since I only eat red meat once or twice a week and I dont enjoy oysters, other sources hace zinc in low amounts so eh.

you dont need any of what you mentioned, people are just lazy(like me sometimes)

>>38227439

>admittedly takes supplements
>rags on others for taking supplements
>thinking a vegan diet even requires supplementation outside of b12 that you can get in fortified foods anyway

>>38226995
vegans, hands down

>>38227434
salt detected. your particular brand of faggotry smells more like keto

>>38227491
I admited I'm lazy like some people, and it's ZMA which I barely use anyways

vegan diet lacks carnosine, creatine, b12, omega3 and other crap I dont remember

>>38227332
>Why don't you breed and submit your child(actually fuck that, poor kid) to a test where he eats a vegan diet since the moment he's born till he's an adult
that actually counts as child abuse in germany

>>38227180
so what are your go-to carbs.

I just recently cut off gluten, and my ulcer felt much better.

Rice and potatoes, and maybe millet?
Do you stuff yourself to reach your carb intake??

>>38227546

>has to regularly eat one of 2 specific foods, one of which is a recognized carcinogen, or else he won't get enough zinc on his omnivorous diet
>thinks carnosine and creatine are nutrients needing to be obtained through diet, and that ALA from plants isn't the only essential omega-3 fatty acid
>dem vegans doe

>>38227205
>what's wrong with oatmeal or brown rice?

it has CARBS anon! CARBS ARE THE DEVIL! NEVER EAT CARBS! SUGAR IS LITERALLY COCAINE! CARBS GIVE YOU CANCER AND HEART DISEASE AND DIABETES AND ALZHEIMERS AND SYPHYLIS!

>>38227402
>vegans are a tiny minority
>somehow the fact that other people take protein powder for extra protein invalidates your B12 and iron deficiencies

>>38227593
>Implying you can get omega3 from plants with an human stomach
>can eat a variety of other foods for zinc but im too lazy to cook them or plain eat them
>red meat is bad for you meme

>>38227178
>>38227144
>>38227025
>>38226995
Vegan by far, but muh paleo (aka fat people who can't control what they eat) are a close second.

>>38227434
>>38227516
I agree, sounds like a keto fatty.

>I-i can't count calories so I'm just going to cut out a bunch of foods....

>>38227657

>not knowing omega-3s originate from the plant kingdom
>aside from red meat and oysters, all other high zinc sources are vegan (beans, lentils, whole grains, pumpkin seeds)
>health experts are trying to jew me meme

>>38227701
>a plant is the same as fish
>other sources are vegan, implying a normal diet isn't a mixture of all foods in the planet
>other health experts advise to consume red meat except to not, like everything else in the planet, consume in excess

the only thing that links red meat with cancer is studies in which the persons are obese, dont exerrcise and eat a lot of processed meat against vegans which usually are people that exercise and have better health habits so they dont eat junk and do sports
nothing to do with meat

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>>38227144
bubs confirm

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>>38227774

>the only thing that links red meat with cancer is studies in which the persons are obese, dont exerrcise and eat a lot of processed meat

except for the mechanistic data showing several things in red meat, especially heme iron, are directly carcinogenic

>>38227822
>might

kek, there's your keyword

They even claim high protein could be the cancer reason, guess every /fit/izen wil be dying
or that fatty diets favor obesity

you realize that a lot of people are gluten free because they have celiac's disease, right?

>>38227895

also, none on the list are by default annoying. if they preach and judge you for not being/doing whatever then sure, but that applies to literally everyone.

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>>38226995
>>paleo
The Paleolithic era started like 2 million years before we discovered fire, and 2.5 million years before we discovered pottery

Yet these faggots are always eating fucking stew.

Explain that shit.

How do you make stew without pottery and fire?

You fucking can't.

These cunts should be eating raw meat 80%. Very occasionally, like 1 day at the end of the year, they can eat stew.

>>38227895
Yeah, 1/100 people. Most gluten-free people are idiots who think they're "gluten-sensitive" because they feel better not gorging on pasta.

>>38226995
The edgy teenagers who think mocking those people makes them cool and special snowflakes.

>>38226995
In real life, vegan
On /fit/, keto

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>>38227990
I eat a raw vegan paleo diet, and I'm healthier than anyone on this board. You only wish you were as ethical and healthy as me. Keep eating your processed, cooked animal products and wheat. Nothing but the most cruelty-free organic raw foods that my prehistoric ancestors ate for me.

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>>38228056
>mocking
>not defending from constant attacks for eating one of their inanely banned food groups

>>38226995
them titties doe

>>38226995
crossfitters

>>38227144
fucking this

>>38226995
I just have a high/slow metabolism

>>38227181
It will work trust me

>>38226995
vegans and it's not even close.

veganism is a cult with strong tendencies to create liberal voters and get people tattooed.

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>>38227242
>reminder that the UK green party paid for a documentary that said that the meat and milk industries were responsible for 51% of greenhouses houses

>reminder that the documentary is being used by hippies everywhere to justify going vegan

>reminder that the documentary was based on a """""""""""""""'paper""""""""""""" by literally 2 guys, that simply took a U.N. study that claimed 19%, and used ridiculous assumptions to bring the number up to 51%.

>reminder that besides this ridiculous paid-for """"""""""research""""""""""", all that vegans have going for them is "muh animal feels" when they won't eat honey, made by bees that don't even have feelings.

Veganism IS being used as a political tool to recruit liberal voters. And they stay liberal, because they literally can't get along with conservatives cause the don't eat the same food. This means that all their contact with conservatism is "muh rednecks", "muh trump is literally hitler!!! omg!!".

Don't bother sending back to /pol/, I'm alrady there.

>>38230327
greenhouse gases*

>>38226995
Gluten fucking free. Youre not celiac, youre just a wanker.

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>vegans

oh fuck, some bitch just posted about kendrick farres lifting 800lbs and how he's literally jesus because he's vegan, i'm sick of vegan posting

Vegans by far, because they add a moral dimension to it.

>>38231259
Veganism is an out and out cult at this point

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all vegans are basically this shrill bitch

Vegans only if they're pretentious, make dumbass comments constantly. Paleo works well. Neolithic diet would make more sense. Whole grains, melk, cheese, beer. etc.

Gluten-free people who don't actually have celiac disease annoy the shit out of me.

"I'm sensitive to gluten, whenever I eat a bagel my energy gets out of balance"

Yes. I've actually heard that.

when i eat bread, i sneeze a whole fucking lot during the day.
is it because of the jew mind control gluten

>>38231419
I am a bit sensitive to gluten if I consume a large amount due to my crohns disease.
Proper nutrition/diet has totally fixed that though. So there could be other reasons.
But I completely agree, gluten is not unhealthy if consumed in decent amounts.

From worst to not as bad:
Keto, Gluten-Free, Paleo, Vegan.

Ketofags are fucking awful

>>38231357
>raw til 4

How the fuck does she get protein in her diet if she's only eating raw foods until 4pm? Binge on meat at 5pm?

Veggies, fruits, and nuts have the tiniest amounts of protein.

>>38232061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNuJa_QrYk

>>38227242
Case in point why vegans are so fucking insufferable.

>>38232061
>>38232151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITIIkDJiq5o
"I get most of my protein on a raw vegan lifestyle from my own flesh.
This is actually scientifically accurate. The lining of our intestines/stomach replaces itself every few days, cells slough off our intestines and our body utilises these flesh cells and recycles the protein in there. Around 100-300 grams of this internal protein/flesh is then added to the 30-100 grams of dietary protein that we get."

Keto actually works though you dips.

>not rounding off your cut with a few weeks of keto for maximum shreddedness

>>38232972
everything works

stop being a bitch about it

>>38232982
you can't really lump in meme diets with a scientific diet that is the crux of every natty bodybuilder's cut

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>>38233000
trips of truth

>>38227051
This. Fuck.
I'm so sick of normies complaining about every little normie problem in their pathetic normie lives. God damn. Just leave me alone so I can lift and watch my chinese cartoons. Fuck.

>>38232930

I know how you feel, I hate cognitive dissonance and vegans are like cognitive dissonance spreading machines

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>>38226995
The people who give out advice because they think you are a noob since you are skinny but then you bench 2plate for reps and deadlift 4plates and they tell you how you are doing it wrong and you should lower the weight.

I don't like people giving me advice, just because i look skinny and am skinny doesn't mean i can't lift a shitload of weight, which apparently is something people cannot fathom because they never have heard of strength training and training your CNS, i hate it when idiots who just lift weights up and down give advice yet you ask them to name the muscle groups and they don't know.

>>38226995
bony girl has a table for a chest. kinda want to put my head on it and listen to her frail heartbeat while she rambles about animal rights or bernie or whatever

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>>38226999
Nice numbers

>>38230327
This picture makes my penis really hard!

Didn't read all that stuff though

>>38227242
https://www.morehouse.edu/facstaff/nnobis/papers/Davis-LeastHarm.htm

>>38226995
>not bein paleo and gluten-free
>2017

fuckin lel mate. enjoy your cravings, leaky gut, stubborn bodyfat and bitch like mood swings, binge eatings

seriously

Since we're complaining about vegans being liberal progressive idiots, and since there's other vegans in this thread, might be a good place to ask-

I'm a hardcore conservative, and also vegan. I never hear from other people like that. Are we really that rare? Or does it just seem that way because we are less likely to be authoritarian about what other people eat, and so aren't as loud?

Any other right-wing conservatives who eat vegan here?

>>38226995
is this image supposed to imply that being fat is genetics?

>>38233231
post pics faggot

>>38226995
(You)

>>38234550
here comes the fat isnt genetics guy

>>38226995
The who progressive movement

>>38226999

Fuckin lol

>>38234584
here comes the fat is genetics guy

>>38227284
Was it your mom?

>>38234756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgiQD56eWDk

>>38227205
"cherry-picked" has really become an euphemism for "hurts my feelings" nowdays.

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I swear to Kek, /ck/ and /fit/ are both unhealthily obsessed with veganism and/or vegans. It's incredible.

>>38234920
As everyone else in this world, for some reason everyone has now problemas with vegans, a minority so small that it's almost imposible that every single individual spitting their guts against vegans for being so annoying had ever encountered one in real life, most likely, these faggots voluntarily opened a link to a vegan JewTuber and got mad because the vegan told them not to eat animals and to eat veggies and legumes instead.

>>38234920
It's almost like they can't accept other lifestyles being better than their own for some people. If you live the best in your opinion, why bother with others?

Don't give me your vegans are annyoing as shit crap, I know plenty who haven't even told me they were vegan until I asked because they politely declined to eat some of the things I offered them.

>>38234936
It's actually the opposite. There's only very little vegans, but apparently it's still too many because we've all had these retarded fucks come up to us in the supermarket to start shit.
Fuck off and let me buy my eggs.

>>38235179
Not really mate, maybe you are just a giant dick who starts shit for no reason and acts all superior.

>>38227580
>Go to carbs

Corn / Rice pasta, sweet potatoes and gf oats.

What is annoying is that I have a serious case of it so anything that may be cross-contaminated is often a hideous gamble.

>Do you stuff yourself?

No but due to severity I'm allowed to order food through the NHS with a specialist GF/Coeliacs company. They do alot of carb loaded snacks and even a carb-loaded powdered drink like a protein shake. Doesn't mix well and I piss constantly due to the water intake needed to wash some of the stuff down.

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>>38232151
>Pay a very small degree of attention to one's health
>Do it while being a vegan
>Become convinced that veganism resulted in the observable marginal improvements to one's health
Why does every vegan do this?
Also
>That vegan 'Raw 'Til 4' STRENGTH

>>38235720
Well, can you train everyday?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIu1wcfBOAx/

tripfags but some are ok
like crossfitjesus and bedouin warrior

>>38227822
>mechanistic data
Yeah, it's also called "explaining a hypothesis" or a "plausible mechanism" and doesn't prove anything. One hypothesis and its opposite will both have "mechanistic data" lol.

>Vegans are by definition people who watch why they eat
>Being vegan gives you a lower chance of having x and y health complications related to diet
Jeeze, what a mystery.

>>38235382
>gf oats
First i was like oh your gf makes you oats, then i was like oh shit this guy thinks that you have to buy "gluten free" oats. Thats like buying gluten free steak

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>>38226995
>Be vegetarian
>Start lifting
>Having a hard time getting enough protein
>Thinking about reintroducing chicken into diet
>Hate myself because I feel like a quitter if I eat meat

It's me, I'm the most intolerable faggot.

>>38236602
rice and beans
quinoa
eggs
cottage cheese
salmon and tuna (if you're pesco)

It's not that hard.

I'm not a vegetarian but I drop beef and chicken out of my diet for a few weeks at a time.

>>38236577
so much this. same with "paleo" and keto imo

>>38236577
Honestly. Basically anything is better than "not giving a shit about your diet", but people are convinced you'll become obese eating a balanced diet when they were previously obese eating like idiots and lost it via restricting a food group or three.

>>38236577
Veganism is far from healthy. Why do people keep repeating the myth that veganism is healthy? It's not. There are tons of health issues among vegans, they just happen to live longer because they eat so few calories and that deludes them into thinking they are healthy.

A regular balanced diet of wholefoods is much healthier than veganism. Actually most fad diets are healthier, including paleo.

Realistically it has to be vegans

However paleo faggots do rub me a special way

Keto/paleo because I keep running into obese diabetics on keto who keep lecturing me as a lifelong normal-weight person that carbs and sugar are unhealthy and make you fat, and then point to high-fat low-carb foods like chocolate, fries, chips and donuts as examples of fattening carbs. I also dislike this group of people for being so successful at spreading misinformation like sugar causing diabetes or people in the paleolithic area having low-carb diets.

>>38236703
You have no idea what you are talking about, most vegans eat plenty if not more calories than the average person because they don't get stuffed so easily from all the fats and/or meat.

All they eat is rice, pasta, potatos.

>>38237332
Vegans do not eat more calories than the average person, they're usually skinny as fuck to the point of looking ill.

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>>38236762
>and then point to high-fat low-carb foods like chocolate, fries, chips and donuts as examples of fattening carbs
???

>>38227070
i like this meme, keep it up
you're doing god's work

Vegans have an oddly cult-ish undertone, I find

>>38226999
Rekt and Kekt

>>38237559
Depends on the vegan. Every vegan I've seen on the internet has been an absolute cunt about their religion. Every vegan I've met in real life (I live in Seattle, so I've known several) has been pretty based and laid back about the whole thing, whether they do it for ethics or for health.

I think vegans just have a small but vocal minority who take themselves far too seriously.

>>38227070
Stop, its really not funny at all and has no context

>>38227144
This

>>38227242
Kys vegan loser

>>38234536
nah ur the only 1.

ur so special! so inspiring. do you have a blog?

>>38236602
Get dat there whey proton powder
8 ScOoPs CMON

>>38237677
1) Fuck off, kys, dyel, etc.

2) It's nice to see that there's other people like yourself when it seems like everyone else in your camp is shitty. The point is that I'd prefer not to be rare here, and I'm curious. Pretty simple to understand, as this applies to many other areas of most people's lives.

>>38234536
nope, every vegan i known is some hippy bernie-tier cuck. why's a conservative go vegan?

>>38226995
i would fuck the fat one, u know

just sayin

>>38237896
>why's a conservative go vegan?
I grew up on farms, and besides gaining conservative values from my upbringing, I also had plenty of experience with livestock, had a ton of pets, etc. I like animals, and I've seen how shitty they are often treated, especially on large scale "factory" farms.

I'd still eat them if I needed to do it to be healthy, but I decided that if I can figure out how to do it without using them as much, I would. There's a lot of bro-tier science for and against being vegan, but as far as I could tell from researching it, the only real issue with going vegan was that you'd need to supplement B12. Now, a lot of people who don't know shit about farming will be against the vegan diet because you have to supplement anything, but don't realize that most of the cows and pigs you're eating don't graze in fields where they'd naturally get B12. They get cheap grain feed, so they have to get B12 injections/additives also. All of us are eating B12 supplements, but meat eaters are just getting it second-hand. Couldn't really find any other health problems with it (that were verified by more than 4chan style shitposting), so I thought I'd give it a try.

Turned out my body was pretty suited to it - I felt more energetic (admittedly, that may or may not have been psychological, no real way to know), and some digestion problems I'd had for a while cleared up pretty quickly. Also, since I know how to cook and am not stupid about what I buy, going vegan is actually a lot cheaper for me (despite the meme that going vegan is so expensive), which honestly is one of the biggest reason I was able to continue for as long as I have.

So it's worked out for me. I honestly don't give much of a shit what other people eat, never read anyone the riot act over having meat or dairy, so some times I just wonder if there's plenty of people like that but I can't tell because they're not vocal.

There's my blogpost.

>>38226995

>vegan
>wants to prevent harm to animals, environmental destruction, and improve public health, only annoying thing is if you're not open to discussion or willing to make any changes in your life

>paleo
>fad diet based on a completely inaccurate caricature of what cavemen may have eaten like surrounded by an appeal to nature fallacy

>keto
>disregards the reality of nutrition science and replaces it with a made-up version with no support, with the goal of achieving chronic dehydration

>gluten-free
>aside from a less than 1/100 case, basically "I read womens' health magazines"

One I can cut out instantly, the other three are a harder choice. Keto is probably the worst.

>>38238007

>I honestly don't give much of a shit what other people eat

If you went vegan because of animals being treated bad, why wouldn't you care if other people mistreat animals?

>>38238046
Because my ethics are about my relationship to the world and my values.

If people are interested and ask, I am willing to discuss with them how my behaviors relate to my values, and how it might suit them if they have the same values. But I don't expect everyone to hold the same values as me, and I don't feel any need to force it on them. I'm just trying to be the best person I can be, as I see it.

>>38238069
>>38238046
Also, I've seen the preachy vegans, and I don't think they change many people's minds. So even if I wanted to change people, that doesn't seem like an effective way. I prefer to lead by example.

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>>38226995
>tfw actually gluten intolerant and people think I'm a hipster

>>38238069
God I really hate liberals

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>>38238089

Whenever I look at the comments on veegan gain's videos I always see a lot of "I used to hate you but now I like you and I've been vegan for X weeks now"

You have to "preach" if you want to change anything. It's like that for every moral issue.

>>38238007
If you're a conservative who grew up on a farm, you're probably a Christian, right? What about how the Bible says that God made animals for us and gave us dominion over them for our use? Shouldn't that make it morally okay to eat animals?

>>38238121
Too much to handle for your petty brain?

>>38238151
But you don't have to be a dick about it.

"I think being vegan is good for ME because X"

If they want to try it out because they think similar or just like you as a person, that's not bad.

>>38238161
So you believe in God and can't let vegans believe that eating animals is bad for the planet?

>>38238161

>What about how the Bible says that God made animals for us and gave us dominion over them for our use? Shouldn't that make it morally okay to eat animals?

Different guy but how does having dominion over something mean you should kill it?

>>38238151
>You have to "preach" if you want to change anything.
No doubt that there's some impressionable people who will hear some vegan passionately yelling and decide to try it for a short time. Maybe even some of them stick to it for a long time, I don't know. But I see the reaction people are giving to the obnoxious and preachy vegans, and I think people like that are turning more people away from considering going vegan. Just look at this thread - you can't even talk about a vegan diet without some people immediately dismissing you as the most annoying person on the planet. And I understand why they think that way - it's a reasonable response to all the people who treat it like a cult.

I think that an open discussion would have to happen for people to change large-scale, if that's what you want. That reasonable discussion is almost impossible in the current social climate, and I think that's partly the fault of preachy, obnoxious vegans.

crosshit

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>>38238183

>But you don't have to be a dick about it.

If someone is defensive enough, anything can be taken as being a dick. That shouldn't stop you from trying to do something good.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0ptJE79npA

>literally malnourished enough to lose period, setting herself up for osteoporosis in future
>claims it's good

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>>38227167

>>38238161
Well, I don't want to make this a religion thread, but the quick answer -
Yes, I grew up Christian. I think that some iterations of the Christian church provide extremely good morals, and I honor Christianity as part of my cultural heritage.
However, I read the stories about God having a son that can walk on water, and about Noah fitting all the millions of species of animals on a single boat, etc., and have to assume it's just stories made by men. I like Christianity, but if my values are in conflict with something in the Bible, I don't hesitate to dismiss the Bible if I have a good reason.

Also, I kind of feel what this guy is saying - >>38238196
Even if I follow the Bible exactly, I am not commanded to eat them. And if the animals are mine, and I have dominion over them, I have some responsibility to them. Killing them if I don't need to seems like a dereliction of duty to protect the weak, which is one of the Christian values I hold dear.

>>38238200

> I see the reaction people are giving to the obnoxious and preachy vegans, and I think people like that are turning more people away from considering going vegan.
>That reasonable discussion is almost impossible in the current social climate, and I think that's partly the fault of preachy, obnoxious vegans.

That's a vague argument because what people seem to consider preachy and obnoxious is anyone who makes a point in favor of veganism being good. The reason it's preachy and obnoxious has nothing to do with the person talking, but with the person listening taking the message as a personal attack on their way of life. That's not a barrier you cross passively, that's an attitude you have to break down through chronic exposure. Someone throwing a fit because they're not used to being told what they're doing is wrong is a bad reason to not talk about the issue.

>>38238256
>second only to your bitch ass
Wouldn't that make his ass the saltiest place on Earth then?

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>>38226995
HAES

>>38238282
>The reason it's preachy and obnoxious has nothing to do with the person talking, but with the person listening
I see the logic in what you are saying, and that's probably true a lot of the time. But I can point to specific times where this is clearly not the case. The face of vegans for most people is not their neighbor having a rational discussion.
It is people like VG screaming into the camera, veins popping out of his neck. Or doing some violent "comedy" skit with an ax or a knife. Or saying he's glad that some meat eater got testicular cancer because he's a meat eater.
It is names like freelee discussing whether or not meat-eaters have the right to live, and whether or not we should kill them.

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>>38238416

>It is people like VG screaming into the camera, veins popping out of his neck. Or doing some violent "comedy" skit with an ax or a knife. Or saying he's glad that some meat eater got testicular cancer because he's a meat eater.

Then again, like I said, he has been effective in getting people to listen and even try a vegan diet, as his comments section shows. His approach works for some people, particularly the people who wouldn't be listening to the more hippy-like youtube channels like Happy Healthy Vegan.

For the record, he didn't make fun of Furious Pete's cancer just because he eats meat. His point was that, as Pete made fun of animals being slaughtered in factory farms, how would he feel if someone made fun of his own death? Give this video another watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29JkHfiHJ6c

>>38238579
If you feel the approach of people like VG are beneficial, then I welcome you to embrace it.

In lieu of statistics showing how many are affected in what way by which arguments, I must go with my experience - that more people seem to be sick of shouting, authoritarian vegans than there are people embracing (and sticking to) a new diet because of it.

I personally feel glad that I didn't know of people like VG or Freelee before I went vegan, as I think it may have been harder to explore if I had been soured to the type of people that are representative of this "community".

>>38238649

>more people seem to be sick of shouting, authoritarian vegans than there are people embracing (and sticking to) a new diet because of it.

That sounds like it would be true in theory. People don't like to be yelled at, people don't like to be called an asshole. But, the more aggressive approach has the advantage of putting the idea in peoples' heads that maybe what they're doing isn't totally cool and that they could choose not to do it. In contrast, the soft, passive style basically tells them that everything is fine, so of course their response to "want to stop eating your favorite foods? :) no big deal if you say no!" is going to be "that's nice that you're vegan but I'm going to keep eating meat :) ty! <3" There's always a period of backlash before people are ready to accept a new idea into the mainstream.

Freelee is completely retarded though. I will agree that her and the fruitarian community are terrible for the image of veganism because some people don't separate the two in their minds. Her diet to veganism is like keto to omnivorism.

Anyway, good talking to you bro. Have a good day

>>38226995
Anyone who talks to others about their diet. I don't fucking care what you eat goddamnit

>>38238773
>Have a good day
You as well

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>>38237896
Look up Matthew Scully (not sure how to spell his name) and also Charles Krauthammer is a conservative who's a vegan sympathizer.
There are probably more, but the dogmatism of the binary left vs right tribalism guarantees that both sides will outright shun certain ideas if they are thought to originate from the other side's camp.
Veganism and/or animal welfare is obnoxiously politicized and people mistakenly assume the left collectively has a monopoly on bioethics and shit like that because many people on the right are outright cunts about it because 'eww, those filthy hippies are trying to spread their ideology', unfortunately more often than not, vegans are cultural relativists, cultural marxists, multiculturalists, postmodernists, critical theorists, progressives or 'regressives', (as they've been dubbed lately by some) communists, anarchists, feminists, islamist apologists, thuggery apologists and generally self loathing, self flagellating, self deprecating idiots.
A vegan I know is extremely conservative, but doesn't tell anybody in his circles because it'll likely affect his social and/or professional lives, the same is probably true of some mostly left leaning people who has a few beliefs or opinions that are associated with 'those islamaphobic, transphobic, homophobic, racist, sexist, misogynistic, xenophobic, fascistic, colonialistic, imperialistic, militaristic, nazistic, white supremacist conservative bigots'.
Basically both sides can be close-minded and morons.

>>38226995
sorry, i'm just getting here and need to rant about this pic.

this is what fatties actually believe because this does actually happen. the difference is, the woman who eats a full meal of a chicken that size will not eat for the rest of the day, and is likely the heartiest meal of the day for her. i have a stick gf, she eats one solid meal a day, with a light breakfast and a snack for lunch.

i've also dated the girl on the right. she will eat salads or otherwise "healthy" meals in public, or with friends, but will immediately get hungry an hour later. it's almost like a tiny salad with no protein doesn't fill a person up, who knew? that fat girl will then spend the rest of her life thinking she eats healthy because of the salad, but binge on potato chips or wheat thins because she doesn't actually have a healthy diet. fat people think that any "healthy food" they eat mean they are so much healthier and smarter than the other woman.

the solution? fat women need to cook more balanced meals focused around protein, much like /fit/ people already know. eating a dinner of salad, or having a v8 for lunch, will only cause you to add another meal of taco bell because it's 9PM and you're starving

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>>38227144

This.

Attention-whores telling other peoples' lifestyle choices are designed to attention-whore. Oh, the irony.

>>38232061
durian rider's anemic jizz

>>38238891
This. Right. Here.

I have had larger friends who complain about my amazing metabolism because I will eat a large, hardy dinner and stay thin, while they have to eat small meals or else they'll get even fatter... yet
A) they're usually snacking all day, whereas my eating times are pretty regulated
B) they frequently eat "small" amounts of shitty processed food, whereas I prepare nearly all my own meals from whole ingredients in my own kitchen.

I'm tired of explaining to fatties that my parents are fat and I was a fat kid who had to actually study nutrition and exercise to implement real changes, when fatties cry about my amazing genetics.

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>>38232151

>>38238891
Outside of the context of physically active people on calorie-controlled diets, diets high in animal protein are associated with obesity even after adjusting for fat intake. Consumption of chicken and lean fish is also associated with obesity. So you're not really in a position to be butthurt about other people's understanding of nutrition, given that yours is so flawed.

You realize that poultry consumption is up 600% in 60 years, yes? You realize that rich Westerners have higher protein intake than anybody else on the planet and are also the fattest motherfuckers on the planet? Your "balanced meals focused around protein" is misguided at best.

>>38232061
Chicken meat protein - 27g/100g
Peanuts protein - 26g/100g

>>38230160

I admire your commitment to the task anon

>>38239190

Is this bait or are you retarded?

>>38232061
This: >>38239245
Also,
Broccoli is 20%+ protein by Calorie
Spinach is 30%+ protein by Calorie
and...
Look at her. She's kinda fit, but she's slim and a woman. She doesn't need as much protein as most people on /fit/ to maintain that muscle mass. And, she gets more protein than you might expect from her diet's protein %, because she eats a ridiculous amount. If you watch her channel, she's eating 3k+ per day, sometimes as much as 5k... but her only job is making youtube videos, and she spends the rest of her day doing a ton of biking and other cardio to burn it off.

>>38239190

I'll assume retarded, since everything you said isn't rooted in actual nutrition of the food at all, and is just a bunch of inferences based on correlation. Which, especially given this many variables, and statistician would slap you in the face.

>>38227822
>"Population studies have not established a definitive link between HCA and PAH exposure from cooked meats and cancer in humans."

>>38234536
I have a question for you or anyone else caring to answer.
Where I'm from liberals are known as people who don't care what others do as long as they don't hurt others, conservatives are authoritarian and want others to live like they do (religion, morals, etc).
Is it that different in other parts of the country?
I live in Appalachia in case anyone is wandering, been on 4chan for about 6 or 7 years and everyone ranting about how bad liberals all never has made sense to me since the only things liberals care about locally are unions and the right to do what they want.
Comprised of a lot of older laborer types that have a "no skin off my back" mentality, kind of like Danny Devito off of It's Always Sunny.

>>38238212
>That shouldn't stop you from trying to do something good
The whole thing is people telling others what to do, I don't tell my friends about my diet because they're adults, even if I don't agree with their food choices.
I have a muslim friend who doesn't tell others to stop eating pork when he is around because he isn't an asshole.
Personally I don't like veganism because I feel it detaches animals from nature, my own personal image of being in nature and enjoying it's fruits involves viewing unfertilized eggs the same as a plant, and finding a freshly deceased carcass should warrant an amount of respect and as such you should make use of it.

I would never tell a vegan to stop doing what they be doing though, you feel it?

>>38239245
>comparing peanuts to chicken
>not considering protein in relation to calories

>There are 567 calories in 100 grams of Peanuts.
>There are 195 calories in 100 grams of Chicken Breast.

https://mobile.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/usda/peanuts?portionid=61028&portionamount=100.000
https://mobile.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/generic/chicken-breast-ns-as-to-skin-eaten?portionid=50321&portionamount=100.000

>>38227895
I am pretty sure IBS is a more common reason.

>>38239966
Veganism seems to have a lot of false equivalents like this. Another really popular one is comparing just pure energy values.

>LOOK HOW WASTEFUL MEAT IS YOU SHOULD EAT SUGAR AND WHEAT

>>38239910

The issue goes beyond a food choice though. If someone enjoyed playing basketball in their free time, it would be ridiculous to tell them to stop playing basketball because you don't like that game. If someone enjoyed beating up children in their free time, it would be ridiculous to allow them to do that just because it's what they enjoy. When there's a victim involved, it's not just a matter of personal choice or preference.

>>38239350
>>38239316
>u r dum xD
Quality posts

>>38239966
The other anon said nuts have barely any protein.

Goalposts, etc.

>>38240111
There is a fundamental difference between that though and you know it.
When someone has a fundamental difference in view you are only going to annoy them and make them hate you.
I think marrying 13 year olds isn't right but I'm not going to tell a tribe in Africa to stop it, they fundamentally see them as adults.
Same way with abortion, some see it as horrific murder of a child and some don't see it as a living thing at all, which is why these issues last so long.

When I eat pork I am shitting on Allah's face, to my friend my entire group are shitting on his values and worsening the entire world, he doesn't say anything though because he understands we have fundamentally different views that can't be bridged.

His view is spiritual and moral, any person who is guided into alcohol/drugs because of us is a victim because their soul is being lost forever.
I feel the soul of a person must weigh heavy compared to the physical life of an animal, still doesn't mean he says anything.
This is why people don't take vegans seriously, there's a huge gap in empathy for animals and to someone with children they would be insulted at you for saying child abuse is the same as responsibly caring for an animal and then slaughtering it for food.

Best way is to lead by example and try not to culturally dissociate from others so would-be-vegans won't feel ostracized from others.
Make them think "why would I want something harmed if it doesn't have to be" instead of comparing wearing fur to wearing a dead child's skin.

>>38240129
To be fair most things have a lot of protein if you eat enough calories worth of it, when you say something has a lot of anything you mean in comparison to it's other constituents.
Peanuts do have a decent amount though, just not enough to have as you primary source because of the fats.

>>38240256

>There is a fundamental difference between that though and you know it.

Fill me in

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>>38227070
>mfw /pol/ tries to turn /fit/ into another nazi board by forcing unfunny memes with the word nigger on it

>>38226995

HAES.

By a country fucking mile.

>>38227613
Someone who gets it!

>>38240284

Every board is /pol/, newfag. Welcome to the chans.

>>38239342
vegetable protein doesnt count

>>38240272
Try not to make an argument that not all vegans are assholes and then proceed to be one and fulfill every stereotype.
I explained it in my first paragraph, just like abortion people are just going to piss each other off if they argue because there is a fundamental, core belief that is different.

My problem with vegans who equate the eating of animals to child abuse is that they are but one person.
You are one person with one perspective with a limited amount of experience on this earth.
You should try to do what you find is right but imposing your belief system on billions of others is wrong, your mind has no more efficacy than others.
You just ranted how people can be offended by anything if they are defensive and you proved your own point, you are close minded and like many others wish to control others.
Thanks for being another vegan asshole online, seriously, I wish people would stop eating meat every meal but thanks to people like you they find it offensive to change their diet.

>>38238933
Durianrider is now training UFC fighters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CroioBnwPT4

>>38240626

>Try not to make an argument that not all vegans are assholes and then proceed to be one and fulfill every stereotype.

Don't fulfill the defensive, irrational anti-vegan stereotype.

>I explained it in my first paragraph

No, you just gave other examples of what you think telling people not to kill animals is like, with your point being that people have different morals, not that there is a fundemental difference between the things I compared.

>You should try to do what you find is right but imposing your belief system on billions of others is wrong

Back to my example, if you saw a guy beating up a child, would you not try to stop him? Or would you say "who am I to force my anti-child abuse beliefs onto him" and watch it happen?

>>38231357
>cleanse

This is basically superstition, so no wonder women go for it.

>>38226999
Ayyyyyyy

>>38238212
>animals bred for food
>rights
choose 1 and only 1

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Vegans are the tumblerinas of the fitness world.

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>>38240952

"Nature"

>>38240963
Are you trying to say ISIS are cannibals? Or are you trying to say all predatory animals are jihadi extremists?

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>>38240963
"Nature"

>>38241020

Just that "it happens in nature" is not the same as "this is ideal and what we should strive for"

You can justify anything if all the justification you need is "it happens"

>>38230327
>>38226995
That faggotino who feels the need to bring politics into every conversation.

>>38241094
Still makes zero sense to compare a group of extremists killing some of their own species for the sake of inducing fear and terror in other societies with animals killing other animals for the sake of eating their flesh. Comparing it to territory wars certain species of monkeys have is a little more accurate but still far fetched. That's more like wars and conquests between human tribes and is just the way things worked. It's how the strongest of the species and their offspring survived. Cruel but necessary.

>>38241560

It makes as much sense as comparing a human killing an animal for enjoyment of the taste of its body to a lion doing the only thing it can do to avoid starvation.

>>38241631
>enjoyment of the taste
Pretty legit reason though. Through many reasons having to do with our intelligence and ability to domesticate, keep and raise animals we are at the top of the food chain so we've earned the right to kill whatever we've raised or hunted ourselves for the sole reason that we enjoy the taste. Going vegan is like being born into a wealthy family and still choosing to drive a corolla or bike everywhere and talk shit about anyone who chooses to have a chauffeur drive them in a mercedes.

>>38241951

>Pretty legit reason though

Come on.

>but might makes right, anon! unless I'm potentially a victim of it, then that's clearly terrible and selfish!

>Going vegan is like being born into a wealthy family and still choosing to drive a corolla or bike everywhere and talk shit about anyone who chooses to have a chauffeur drive them in a mercedes.

Not that it's a bad thing to try to convince people to ride a bicycle rather than drive a car, but how about going vegan is like being born on a plantation and then deciding that owning humans as property and using them as slaves is immoral, so you stop doing that while trying to get other people to stop doing it too, and watch them respond with dumb excuses like "top of the social ladder, I can do whatever I want"

>>38242068
>>but might makes right, anon! unless I'm potentially a victim of it, then that's clearly terrible and selfish!
The weak always think the world is unfair but that's just the way things work. Anything else is trying to spread socialism and include animals in the same group as proletarians.
>Not that it's a bad thing to try to convince people to ride a bicycle rather than drive a car, but how about going vegan is like being born on a plantation and then deciding that owning humans as property and using them as slaves is immoral, so you stop doing that while trying to get other people to stop doing it too, and watch them respond with dumb excuses like "top of the social ladder, I can do whatever I want"
Again, that's how things work. Once you get the power or support to subjugate your masters you've earned the right to be free.

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>>38226995
Vegan gainz is based

>>38241951
>Going vegan is like being born into a wealthy family and still choosing to drive a corolla or bike everywhere and talk shit about anyone who chooses to have a chauffeur drive them in a mercedes


Kekked

>>38227144
This.

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>>38226999
Decreed by the trips

>>38226995

Women

>>38232956

This chick is literally retarded

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>>38242222
Good God, the gets in this thread.

>>38226995
/fit is

in my opinion, the list from most annoying to least annoying goes like this:

Gluten free>paleo>vegan>keto

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>>38226995
This list is good but it should have fatties on the very top

>>38238007
>>38238069
>>38238258

Anon, you're a solid dude.

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Kind of curious regarding peoples' opinion of paleo

I only found out about paleo recently (don't really browse /fit/ or read healh blogs etc) However, the way I have eaten during my life fits paleo guidelines pretty well, I made some minor changes recently to fit paleo better and it feels good man, plus it's fun learning stuff about what foods contain what nutrients and whatnot.

But I started checking out some info/forums for paleo stuff and all of it seems to be geared to overweight people trying to lose weight. When I tried to post a question somewhere, everyone assumed I was fat and that I was loading up on sugar and shit and overeating, which has never been true for me. Pretty annoying and I keep seeing the term "Standard American Diet" which seems to mean something like Mountain Dew and Fritos for dinner every day. Do people really do that?

Anyway...Just curious...The diet itself seems pretty legit to me. Meat and veggies...How could it be bad?

>>38226995
From worst to best
>gluten-free
>paleo
>keto
>vegan
Never actually met intolerable vegan, all were pretty nice people. Then again, i'm not from murrica.

>>38226995
gluten free only because I encounter these people on a daily basis. I always ask if they have Coeliac disease and when they say no I smirk and say "huh, how about that"