Can somebody explain to me why starting strength is a meme?

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>>37507905
When Mike Patton and Rippletits invented SS it was to try and bring people to their level (or should I say, at least to the achievable level of Rippletits), however, no one uses it correctly.

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Because plebs recommend it to people who just want to gain muscle.

>>37507937
How do you use it correctly? I hear it makes you fat.

>>37507905
are you a beginner?
Do you want strength?
Its for you if these two things are true.

>>37507905

It's a safe, easy to follow program that gives a solid foundation. It is an easy, accurate default to a "herp derp I'm a beginner how do I elite"

it only makes you fat if you're an animal that cant control your diet. otherwise you're fucking solid. Eat in a small surplus and make all the pressing 5*5 instead of 3*5

>>37507976
I've been at this for about a year now tho and I think I have all the basic lifts down. Should I just make up my own routine?

>>37507993
Not doing the program.

>>37507995
>doing SS for a year
Fucking lol what are you numbers at

>>37507993
So when I dead I usually do 3x5, but you're saying switch it to 5x5 now?

>>37507995
theres a book called "Practical programming for strength" by the same author.

it talks about how to make routines/provides example routines and generally does a great job explaining programming, try and torrent it.

>>37508017
first of all Starting strength deadlifts are meant to be 1x5, secondly changing it to 5x5 would mean you were no longer following the program.

>>37508017
He said pressing. Deadlift is a pulling movement

>>37508017
yeah you technically won't be following the program, but when I was doing it it helped that I made them 5*5. Only the Press and the Bench Press. Leave everything else the same

>>37507963
Just try to find one of Patton's leaked workout sheets, hard to find but as valuable as diamonds when found.

Is it safe to do deadlifting on my chest day/shoulder days?

>>37508073
full body 3xs a week is GOAT, you should be doing that no matter what our goals are

>>37508101
Thanks, anon.

>>37507905
let's get a few things straight

1. 3x5, 5x5, 3x10, etc will yield THE SAME muscle growth, there are no documented differences in these rep ranges, therefore you WILL build muscles on SS

2. 3-5 reps are the most efficient when it comes to maximum strength training, i.e. training your CNS. you WILL grow strong on SS

3. fullbody 3 times per week is the most efficient way to train, because you recover after 48 hours.

SS is a great program, but it's not the only routine in town
do curls if you want at the end
don't do power clean if you're scared
do cardio if you want

stop being a bitch, and start lifting

>>37508108
Don't forget cardio fatass seriously you'll even up regretting it.

>>37508111
>you WILL grow strong
Yeah but you wont grow BIG

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>>37508111
>don't do power clean if you're scared

>>37507937
>Mike Patton
aka The King of Fit

>>37508111
My legs feel much more pumped after 3x10 squats than 3x5 tho

>>37507905

Pepe the frog is a meme. Starting Strength may or may not be the best program for you, but it's not a meme.

The name of the program literally tells you what it's for: Starting. Strength. Rippetoe even tells you that you shouldn't stay on it indefinitely. I think people who think it's a "meme" forget that he also helped develop Texas Method.

>>37508135
m8, if you're a noob, lifting compound movements 3x a week will get you as big as you possibly could get, nothing can change that.

>>37508154
yeah no shit, more lactic acid.

Strength training=/= chasing a pump.

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>>37508135
the reason you grow big is from food, not rep ranges

>>37508154
>hypertrophy rep ranges give me more of a pump than strength training rep ranges
>I think this is worthy of mentioning

how's your first year lifting?

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>>37508181
>strengththeory

>>37508194
post lifts newfriend

>>37508209
>asking someone on an anonymous cartoon porn imageboard to post their lifts
>expecting them to tell the truth in order for you to make a comparison
>calls someone a newfriend in Summer
>being this new

>>37508194
Third year
Hyertrophy and strength train differently at different rep ranges

How about you get off the internet for a while

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>>37508227

>>37508101
So mixing in deadlifts with my bench, DB press, squats and other shit is ok?

>>37508234
>that image
>not reddit

god damn

>>37508227
Did he strike a nerve there newbitch?

>>37508247
>samefagging this hard

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>>37508227
Wuts ur lifts, bruv

>>37508255
Post lifts newdyel. You do lift don't you?

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>>37508255
WHAT ARE YOUR LIFTS, MY MAN

>>37507905
pretty simple anon. Retards on the internet are literal retards who can't follow a simple set of rules. So they "try" starting strength without actually understanding or following the program, and then shit on it. All it takes is a few people to shit on it for it to become a meme.


That being said, SS is fucking great for beginners, it's simple as fuck, and doesn't really do anything different that any other proven beginner program does. If you're doing SS to getting a ripped body, you're fucked up

>>37508269
>>37508284
>2 new posts
>0 new posters
>samefagging like it's 2005

>>37508299
Those aren't your lifts. And I can assure you, I'm not that guy.

>>37508299
Post your lifts. We won't laugh.

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>>37508194
>>37508227
>>37508255
>>37508299
>keeps changing subject
>won't post lifts
dyel open and shut case.

>>37508407
Yup. Kind of embarrassing.

>>37508609
Sure is.

>>37507905
Because beginners needs tons of bodyweight exercises, single leg squats, rack pulls instead of deadlifts and 2-3 sets of 10-15 reps for strength endurance. It will give you good base in long term.
Also this 5x5 programs usually inspired by Bill Starr's programs for off season athletes to peek their strength, not for usual beginners.

>>37507963
ss doesn't make you fat.

too many calories makes you fat.

don't eat too many calories.

i did SS on a caloric deficit. lost all the weight, gained all the strength.

permacut mode i got these lifts
ohp -140x3
bench - 200x5
hip thrust - 300x5
chin up - lmao1pl8 x 3
don't really train squat or dead 'cause i am a tremendous faggot.

all of these gains were made while losing weight.

anyone who says you can't make strength or size gains on a deficit is a tard (IF helps, as if you eat 800kcal right before and after lifting, you are in a surplus, even though over the course of the day you are still in caloric deficit)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFo_wQq8M3Q

>>37507995
if your lifts are novice, you are a novice lifter.
you need to follow a novice program.

you are not unique enough to need a unique program.

any novice program will work wonders for you.
ss or gslp are my preference.

>>37508017
try actually reading ss

>>37508198
>all those studies are wrong, since they all got linked on the same site.

are you from /pol/?

you can't just disregard actual scientific literature, just cause some faggy site happens to post it.

>>37508154
pumps are a meme, you shouldn't pumpchase as a natty.

>>37510719
Didn't mean to trigger you newfriend.

>>37510581
You sound dyel af no offense.

>>37507995
What are your stats plz

>>37510685
>don't really train squat or dead 'cause i am a tremendous faggot
kys

>>37510581
>Eric Cressey thinks so
>Mythical Strength thinks so
>Lot of good coaches think so
>THEY ARE DYELS!!!!! TRUST ME, I'M SUPERMEGAATHLET FROM /FIT/!!!!!!!!!!!!

This >>37511218 is to this >>37510914

fix

>>37511109
i would, its just i have SBTY syndrome

>>37508242
yeah why would it not be okay?

the only thing would be to give yourself more recovery time

>>37510685
>I did SS
>Don't really train squats or deads
pick one

>>37508017
>noone gets the subtle b8.
i'm sorry for you anon

>>37511218
>>37511232
There there dyel. It's gonna be okay.

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>>37508017

SS made me t-rex mode.. it might work if you have good bone structure like german or viking genes. i have chit tier mudslime genes, so i was already twig arms and pear shaped body... now that i'm only doing upper body hypertrophy work and cardio im looking way better than SS ever got me

>>37515044
What's your program?

>>37510685
good on everything except no squats and deads. fucking do them

>>37515044
>chit
BACK TO BB.COM

Do SS and add in a few other things at the end. I do curls and lying tri extensions as well as weighted planks. Nearly finished with the program I think and I look much better for it.

I did SS and it fucked my shit up.

I was half skeleton going in bit had a little leg and back strength from previous activities. By the end of it I could squat a good amount, and deadlift well too, and had a very good row for low reps.

However my pull ups were pathetic, my bench laughable, everything else upper body was shit with some laughably small arms compared to my legs, and my abs so weak compared to my lower back I began to develop back pain and posture issues leading to the appearance of a belly.

I had to buy new pants several times but never buy new t shirts.

I switched to a more balanced PPL routine, and still enjoy squatting, deadlifting and everything else, but I'm finally looking and performing more balanced.

SS is a fucking meme, and it's been known to be a meme for years until that cross dressing newfag showed up and started shilling it constantly.

Outdated information. Not a terrible starting routine though.