> be 23 > have acne like pic related on jawline and occasionally

>>12397742
Ever try dish soap?

>>12397746
no, but you're making me think of trying bleach

>>12397742
try doxycycline

>>12397742
umm maybe look into plastic surgery (dermal grafting)

how didn't two courses of accutane work. aren't the side effects insane, my friend is kinda went nuts after going on accutane it's a bit annoying.

>>12397773
>>12397773
Yes. There's the dry everything, lips so dry that they bleed (even though I carried chapstick with me everywhere). It dries out all of your mucus membranes so your butthole actually dries up too, and I often got constipated.

But past that, I think I was especially susceptible to the depression effects and I went through some really bad spirals of depression on accutane.

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>>12397778
I'm on my 5th month of accutane oh shit bro I thought it would be all over after the 6 month course wtf.

>>12397778
I know you listed of a bunch of shit in the OP but have you tried witch hazel? It's gentle on the skin and it's never failed me. Try it for a bit, maybe give it a week. I just make sure my skin is clean, exfoliated, and moisturized with coconut oil (though i try to avoid covering the acne spots with oil).

>>12397802
How often and what time of day do you apply witch hazel? My skin is naturally oily so I don't think there's a point to coconut oil.

Thanks!

>>12397815

I battled my terrible acne phase many years ago and unfortunately found out about witch hazel only 2 and a half years ago, long after I had crazy skin, so i don't use it daily.

I only use it when I see or feel a zit, cyst,or hair bump forming. I'll use it after I shower, and apply it to my whole face but make sure I take extra care to clean around the problem area with it. I'll use it after I've shaved my head to stop razor bumps from forming as well.

I shower at night, but if I wake up and the acne spot is still red and tense I'll use it once again and then reapply after my nightly shower as usual. It usually only takes a day for it to get rid of what ever was forming.

I still think you need to moisturize your skin after your daily regime and after you exfoliate. There's a brand of witch hazel called, Thayers Witch Hazel Toner with Aloe Vera Formula, I haven't tried it yet (just added it to my amazon list) but I've heard very good things about it. Aloe is great because it absorbs excess oil and dirt from pores and still moisturizes your skin without making it oily.

If only I had learned about witch hazel earlier...

Good luck dude.

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>tfw born with great skin, rarely get acne and when I do it's only 1 or 2 barely noticeable zits
>tfw I have a weird shaped head and a shit jawline

Why couldn't I just be Chad

>>12397742
nigga you need crispr

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>>12397878
>tfw square face and defined jawline along with pretty big cheekbones
>tfw acne all over my face

oh well, at least some girls are interested in me

>>12397742
>> healthy diet (I'm from /fit/)
lol

>girly (soft smooth and somehow REALLY stretchy) skin
>forehead is a dry landmine-infested field of misery and anguish

You need to ask for something different from your dermatologist then. You haven't tried everything.

Have you ever tried antibiotics or any other medications besides accutane? Or even topical retinoids or acids? A lot of people have had amazing results with tretinoin but you have to be patient and consistent.

Also, what products are you using on your face?

What moisturizer are you using? Accutane wont save you if you keep using shit that clogs your pores.

>Steamed vegetables, meat, herbs and water
Try that as a diet for a week or two OP.
Generally eating like that, along with fewer calories works for me. It's as if eating lots of Carbs and processed Sugar causes inflammation in my skin.
I can gorge on plants, meat and butter with no bad side effects. Make sure you cut out milk too.

>>12397773
Some people just have shitty genetics. I have had like 5 or 6 Accutane courses and it still didn't cure my scalp acne. Nothing has helped except dairy and gluten free diet. You might want to try that, OP.

>>12397916
this
>>12397742
Try going vegan. Did wonders for me and I had tried a bunch of different stuff, including the regimen you're currently doing.

>>12397857
I somewhat second this. I've been using witch hazel for about a month now and my skin is definitely doing better than before. No drastic change, but I do notice myself getting less whiteheads and generally smoother skin.

>>12397769
On this now and I hope it works.
I really, really need to lose my fucking v-card.

Try Clindoxyl, saved my life

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>>12398012
This.

I recommend pic related. But only if you have oily skin that is.

>>12397742
Stop eating dairy, gluten, and anything with any form of sugar. wait 3-4 months before results to emerge.

>>12398094
>anything with any form of sugar
so.. no fruit then?
an apple has half the sugar of a can of soda

>>12397742
how many scoops of whey a day, OP?

are you natty or not?

>>12397938
Please see Global Rules

>>12398098
Some fruits are okay. Just don't go crazy with them. Avoid high sugar fruits like like tropical fruits. Go with sour apples and shit but only like one a day.

Don't listen to the antisugar nuts
>get dishwashing sponge
>Soak it with w water and shower gel that says face
>Scrub the hell out of your face
>Repeat every day

>>12397742
Try not sleeping on the side of your face

thanks

>>12398285
>Scrub the hell out of your face

Don't do that

stop dairy and check ur environment for toxins.

Acne is often an inflammatory response if your body encounters an environment it cannot process very well. For example, my brother had acne like that, turns out we were living in black mold for the last 10 years and he has genetic propensity to be heavily affected by mold.

He got on bentonite clay, which is literally clay, u can get it on amazon. Two or three weeks of it really helped his acne. It's almost gome now.

>>12397742
First thing you gotta realise is: this subject is full of memes and pseudoscience.

1) Ignore diet tips; none of these people are dietitions. Furthermore academics in nutrition is a mess, since you arguably need clinical trials to even come close to a conclusion. You can't find these trials though.
2) Don't be too intensive on your skin. Just because you take measures to clean yourself, doesn't mean you "clean" yourself. For example if you take hot showers daily you will open up all your pores. Your skin contains microbes; your skin flora. This flora is important because it also protects you from infections. If you are very intensive on your skin with scrubbing or rough with the towels after showering you will probably disrupt your skin flora. If you skin flora gets washed out you leave room for more harmful microbes from outside; causing infections.
3) Acne can just be a result of hormones. Most of the time there is little what you can do. Just don't exacerbate. Eventually it will most likely go away and this takes time, unfortunately. Just don't fuck it up and have scars instead of acne.

Buckle up.

>>12397742
>healthy diet (I'm from /fit/)
I would recommend more human diet. Vary your protein sources and vegetables. Avoid milk duh. It's like the first thing to do for acne. Just take calcium supplement.
You also need a lot of vegetables, like 5 servings.

Isotretinoin
i have terrible acne - now i have clan skin (and pockmarks on back)

If I had a big acne problem and wanted some pussy/head I would literally wear a ski mask to a club walking around being a complete meme and trying to pick up /r/streetwear girls.

Godspeed /fa/ggot

>>12398666
Isotretinoin THE ONLY WAY TO COMPLETLY CURE ACNE 8 months of therapy

>>12398671
>>12398659
Isotretinoin is not a cure fur acne

>>12397742
>>12398005
Yep. Go talk w/ a dermatologist not a buncha anons

>>12398771
Wow, people just want to talk with anons in internet. Why so bitter?

anyone else have rosacea?

>>12398070
doxycycline most likely won't work if you've already tried accutane. it is a weak drug.

>>12398807
Not bitter but if he has a medical condition he should probably talk to a medical doctor.

>>12397742

stop masturbating and watching porn

JUST MAYBE

dirty thoughts = dirty skin

>>12398919
This tbqh, /fa/m

>finally got rid of acne
>already have wrinkles
Why I never had a chance to look good?

>>12398648

You just told OP to ignore diet tips (which is valid advice) called the subject matter full of memes and pseudoscience and proceeds to tell him hot water will open pores which is 100% false.

>>12397916
>>12398036
I say that because the first piece of advice everyone gives you is "no soda, oily/fried foods. no sugar, blah blah blah" but I've already been eating like that for a long time.

>>12398090
will try. I do have oily skin. sometimes it's flakey though, which I would expect of dry skin

>>12397938
I'm an Asian with probably paler skin than you

>>12398101
natty here captain. one of the reasons i'd never roid is because I'm so fucking acne prone while natty.

>>12398484
I've tried that but I literally can't fall asleep on my back

>>12398502
How to check for mold? Also already tried the bentonite clay: see aztec clay in OP.

>>12398648
Diet doesn't matter because I have an impeccable diet for /fit/ reasons anyway. I tried to do cold showers but that shit was too raw so I ended up doing room temperature showers. My dad is 55 and he still has bad skin from acne when he was young.

>>12398654
2 servings of lentils, 4 servings of broccoli, 400g of sweet potato everyday. 2 servings of pasta sauce. Thanks for but no thanks. Like I said already, I eat very clean.

>>12398671
>>12398671
I said I tried accutane for 2 rounds already. Learn to read

>>12398898
>>12398771
I've been on accutane TWICE. The doctors have emphasized many times over that accutane is a last resort. And I still have acne after using a LAST RESORT, TWICE. What can they do for me?

>>12398919
Did no fap for the past 3 weeks but it actually got slightly worse.

>>12398919
oh shit

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>>12397742
OP, I had terrible acne in high school, just buy this and use it on your face whenever you shower you should see results in a month

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>>12399170
Also use this after you shower, it's a retarded process and here's the steps, 1.Dry everything off minus your face
2.Put at most 3 drops of the emulsion on your hand
3.Dry your face within 3 seconds
4.Apply the emulsion IMMEDIATELY
5.Let it dry and that's it

Spironolactone

I had bad acne, tried a bunch of different shit, Benzoyl Peroxide fucked my complexion up even with heavy moisturizer. I finally figured shit out in my early 20s, although it was probably a combination of my routine and hormones balancing out. If I don't do these things though I will break out. Posting my routine in case it helps.

2x daily:
-Wash face with C&C BP face wash
-Apply Paula's Choice 2% Extra-Strength salycylic acid
-Moisturize with C&C acne control moisturizer

Spot treat with 5% BP. Sleep on clean pillow cases or t-shirts only, like don't sleep on the same side more than once. Obviously diet, exercise, and certain supplements (zinc, apple cider vinegar) help also. Good luck OP

>>12399106
Nope. You are so wrong it's embarrassing. I'm in a good mood so hear me out.

This is what I said for people who can't read:
- Ignore diet tips from people who are not dietitians. (Also learn what clinical trials are and while you are at it: what makes you think you don't need one in nutrition?) In the end nutrition is chemistry, that's a lot of black box models. So yeah if you read "muh chocolate causes pimpels xdd" you are dealing with pseudoscience. There has been no trial which confirms this.

>which is 100% false
Oh you convinced me, you just told it's false! Guess no arguing there huh!

Maybe you should follow a little microbiology course. I'm pretty sure this is a standard practical exercise. Place your finger in a petridish. Run the tap with warm water and put your finger under it. Place the finger in the petridish. Imagine which spot is bigger the next day?

>>12399149
Sounds wise.

I'm assuming you live in the US.
Have you ever tried N-acetyl-cysteine (NAC)?
It's available in Sprouts and similar stores, as well as on Amazon.

If I was in your situation I would take 500-1200 mg/day for a couple of weeks, but only after reading up properly about the potential allergic reactions & side-effects, and starting small (<250 mg) to see how you react to it. It's all your own responsibility to educate yourself and take the necessary precautions. /medical disclaimer

(NAC is a glutathione (GSH) precursor. Supplementing NAC will increase GSH levels in your body and skin. GSH acts as an antioxidant that prevents oxidative damage (from lipid peroxides, reactive oxygen species (ROS)) that is part of the acne pathogenesis.)

You should see results within two weeks.

You should disregard most other advice in the thread.

>>12399248

Food absolutely has effects on your skin health you nut. Maybe not chocolate and excessive sugar, but fatty food and things rich in antioxidants, vitamin c and e do effect the health of your skin.

Pores don't expand of contract, they can get clogged with after sweating, with oil, dead skin, and more. Hot water will help wash it away but they don't open or close.

>>12399264
...

>>12399248
This man is correct. My speciality is not derm, but what he said is pretty much in line with current medical knowledge. When in doubt consult a google scholar or pubmed database.

>>12399264
Jesus fucking christ

>>12399272
Food does affect your skin health but common acne is not a diet related problem. You cannot treat a hormone related infection by modifying the diet, when hormonal spikes are caused by puberty.

You can get tretinoin off ebay for about 12 dollars a tube. It'll be shipped from india, but it's good shit.

I haven't had a zit in over 2 years, except on the inside of my nose.

>>12399248
>>12399272
>>12399300
Multiple studies, meta-studies, and systematic reviews written by various doctors on the topic of [diet->acne?] can be found in the skincare sticky.

>>12399281
Please do expand, and preferably beyond ". . ."

>>12399300
Nice dubs. What about my post did you find particularly offensive?

>>12399272
LMAO CAN YOU PLEASE START READING? IM NOT SAYING FOOD DOESN'T HAVE AN EFFECT. HOWEVER WHAT FOOD IS BENEFICIAL FOR YOUR SKIN AND WHAT IS DETRIMENTAL IS NOT A CLEAR CASE SINCE THERE IS ONLY LOOSE CORRELATION AND ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.
I bet you don't even know what an antioxidant is why it works and what it's major purpose is in our body.

>don't expand or contract
Of course they don't. I haven't even made that claim
A pore covered in in dead skincells, your own natural fats/oils is a "closed"pore. It's covered. They "open" when you use a soap and hot water by removing these fats/oils, skincells.

But my bad! I should've known you are 18 and I should've spoonfed you everything without assuming some basic knowledge! Thanks for opening my eyes!

>>12397742
Wasn't there something about spearmint supplements being able to suppress the specific acne around the jawline?

>>12399311
You're a bit insane.

>>12399314
Yeah, but I heard it's mostly for females. Anecdotally, it doesn't help my acne as a male.

>>12399312
>WHAT FOOD IS BENEFICIAL FOR YOUR SKIN AND WHAT IS DETRIMENTAL IS NOT A CLEAR CASE SINCE THERE IS ONLY LOOSE CORRELATION AND ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE

Please see the studies on this linked in the skincare FAQ. They seem to disagree with the above statement.

https://pastebin.com/PArDyf2G

>>12399315
Not an argument.

My point stands.

>>12399311
>Nice dubs. What about my post did you find particularly offensive?

I find both using a tripcode and spewing bullshit ofensive. Please provide a peer reviewed study about NAC preventing acne.

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>>12399333
>trips

blood for the blood god

>>12399333
Dude seriously, see a shrink. You sound mentally unstable.

>>12399149
Yes, accutane is a last resort because of the side effects. Did they not try other treatments before putting you on accutane? You want to ask them to give you other options.

Another possibility is it could be a fungal issue. You could try applying anti-fungal cream to your face to see if that helps at all. You would see results fairly swiftly if it is fungal so it's worth a shot just to narrow down what the underlying issue is.

>>12399335
"Effects of Oral Antioxidants on Lesion Counts Associated with Oxidative Stress and Inflammation in Patients with Papulopustular Acne"

>Administration of N-Acetylcysteine caused an elevation in serum GSH by two folds (205%), and decreased MDA and IL-8 by 38.8% and 72% respectively after using for eight weeks, and caused a reduction in the total count of inflammatory lesions, the percentage of reduction was 50%, which was statistically significant.

>N-Acetylcysteine (NAC), has been studied and utilized as a source of cysteine, which is a precursor in the synthesis of reduced Glutathione (GSH) and as a direct free radical scavenger that protects cells from oxidant damage.

https://www.omicsonline.org/effects-of-oral-antioxidants-on-lesion-counts-associated-with-oxidative-stress-and-inflammation-in-patients-with-papulopustular-acne-2155-9554.1000163.php?aid=10078 [full study]

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As for the very likely mechanisms, see:

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1. "Biochemical Markers of Oxidative and Nitrosative Stress in Acne Vulgaris: Correlation With Disease Activity"

>Our results clearly show significant increases in oxidative/nitrosative stress in acne patients, suggesting there is an imbalance between RONS production and antioxidant defense mechanisms in acne vulgaris.

>These findings support an association between oxidative/nitrosative stress and acne.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jcla.21560/full

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2. "Oxidative Stress in Patients With Acne Vulgaris"

>These findings clearly indicate that oxidative stress exists in the acne and may play an important role in its pathogenesis. [...] Antioxidant oral supplementation or topical application may be an effective approach in improving the efficacy or avoiding the potentially damaging effects of the therapeutical agents

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1533901/

>>12399398
3. "The activity of adenosine deaminase and oxidative stress biomarkers in scraping samples of acne lesions"

>These findings clearly indicate that oxidative stress exists in the formation or exacerbation of acne. [...] We believe that oxidative stress increases in parallel with the disease severity, hence antioxidant therapy may be beneficial if given in addition to the routine treatment of severe acne.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23174057

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It's not exactly controversial stuff to anyone who is read up on acne pathogenesis.

>>12399149
>I'm an Asian
That explains it. There is no cure for Asian acne

>>12399398
>>12399400
Did you have acne? Did you have success with N-Acetylcysteine?

>>12399149
>2 servings of lentils, 4 servings of broccoli, 400g of sweet potato everyday. 2 servings of pasta sauce
I don't get how you can call this a healthy diet. Eat like a normal human being please.

This is scaring me cuz I'm on my first month of Accutane and it's working but I'm scared it will just come back even after all these side effects

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Are you using a chemical exfoliant? Pic related totally cleared my face up. Look into a quality AHA & BHA

>>12399333
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.388.4968&rep=rep1&type=pdf
starts out confirming no causal relation between diet and acne. It's result is correlation not causation. It ends with: "It should be mentioned that it would not be completely correct to extrapolate information from specialized world literature on the effect of dairy products upon the risk of acne occurrence and development to the general population of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
Holy fuck this was poorly written, we go from introduction to references. Is it one big introduction?. Published where (WASJ? some eurasian journal?)? How many citations? Published in 2013 which is recent (yes this does matter, has not been subjected to the lindy effect)

https://www.medicaljournals.se/acta/content/abstract/10.2340/00015555-1358
Although there are no randomized controlled clinical studies investigating the impact of milk and dairy products on sebaceous gland signal transduction, epidemiological data and recent biochemical concepts strongly support the acne-promoting effect of milk consumption.
Who put together this list? It's all in favour of my point of view. All in all this article doesn't even tell me what they did to come to said conclusions. I guess I have to go through all the references?

>>12399333
>>12399486
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/1/107.full.pdf
Conclusion: The improvement in acne and insulin sensitivity after a low-glycemic-load diet suggests that nutrition-related lifestyle factors may play a role in the pathogenesis of acne. However, further studies are needed to isolate the independent effects of weight loss and dietary intervention and to further elucidate the underlying pathophysiologic mechanisms.
We're not there yet boys!

However, we found no significant effect of time on acne, possibly because acne is a dynamic condition in which both spontaneous improvements and flares can occur over time.
Uh oh.

A few limitations of the study should be addressed. First, it is possible that the topical application of the mild skin cleanser may have contributed to the acne improvement through effects on the epidermal barrier function (39)
HMMMM

Only cited once that's not great, hasn't been publicated in any major journal it seems. No wonder because they basically tell us there needs to be more studying done.

>>12399333
>>12399488
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-4632.2009.04002.x/pdf
Conclusions:
Evidence suggests that components of Western diets, particularly dairy products, may be associated with acne.
What? Another correlation and no causation?
This is a review of a bunch of articles btw. I mean I can't do much with this one. If you have intellectual integrity you should definitely remove this from your list on the sticky.

https://www.zentrum-der-gesundheit.de/pdf/akne_16.pdf
Pretty inconclusive. You seem to misunderstand. There's no doubt diet is linked to acne or other conditions of the human body in certain ways. However, to show a causal link is extremely difficult in nutrition. Ideally you want to delimit, but this is nearly impossible in food. So the only logical conclusion as of now would be to suspend judgement.

Some articles/publications/reviews I could not open.

>>12399486
>>12399488
>>12399490
Thank you for your feedback.
I can probably get back to you within a day.

>>12397742
I've learned that at this point when you are doing everything right, acne is entirely based on your mental state and how you feel about yourself.

Also be careful of overwashing, all my acne has left me since I stopped even washing my face & stopped all ointments/creams a few months ago.

the only thing thats ever given me clear skin was antibiotics. unfortunately that's not a practical solution since you can't take em longterm but if you wanna kickstart a new acne regime you could just take some doxycycline or clindamycin for a few weeks.

>>12398838
Have not tried accutane and desu don't really wanna. Still young (18) so if doxy doesn't work I am gonna keep consistently changing pillow cases, drinking lotsa water and shit like that just having a good clean lifestyle and wait for this shit to stop.

Has anyone here used Burts Bees products and did they help with acne or not?

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I used to have bad forehead acne. It's gone for the most part, but I still have acne scars. Now all my acne had moved to my jawline. On top of that, my skin is oddly drier than usual. I washed my face today to get the dry dead skin off and it made parts of my face look red and shiny. It almost looked like I had stretch marks on my face. Every day I look a little more like Ian Connor. Wat do?

>>12399899
Derm. Or /r/skincareaddiction and /r/asianbeauty.

>>12397742
I had similar issues OP, here's what I've found works.

>Stop washing your face, even if you have greasy skin. That shit just makes acne worse.
>Take a multivit if you don't already, deficiencies can cause acne by themselves. If your skin IS greasy, take 150% of daily recommended amount of vitamin A. It'll give you a skin drying effect similar to Accutane but not nearly as bad/damaging.
>Make sure to not get shampoo/conditioner on your face at all when showering, lean head back rather than forward to rinse.
>Skincare routine should be 1 : rinse face with water until it's clear, dry with paper towel/toilet paper/tissues because detergents used to wash towels can aggravate skin. 2 : apply non comedogenic facial lotion (cetaphil is god tier). Just enough for your skin to feel mildly moist and smooth, you don't want it on there thick.
>Once a week or so use a mildly abrasive facial scrub to clear deadskin. Preferably one with NO anti-acne properties. If your acne isn't due to being a dirty fucker (most acne isn't) these washes/scrubs will not do shit for you besides age your skin with harsh cleansers.

I was the same deal as you OP, took two courses of Accutane and they helped but I still had some remainder acne. Stopping washing my face completely and taking multivitamins has had my skin perfectly clear for the past year or so. Worst breakout I get is a lone pimple on the forehead.

>>12398070
Sorry anon

acne typically returns after a cycle of antibiotics

> Eat like a pig
> never wash face
> pillow case aint been washed in years probably
> shower 3 times a week
> 24/yo virgin but thats cause I'm autistic

feels pretty good man

>>12400324
ffs, forgot

>rarely ever get acne

literally the most important one

>>12400313
Welp I better be quick then.

people who have acne shower and wash their face too much

>>12397742
I saw this reddit post of a guy with cystic acne and tried everything just like you. He did absolutely nothing. Really. He didn't let any water or soap (bare with me) touch his face, ever, and took somewhere around 40,000 IUs of vitamin d (or the maximum recommended daily dose) everyday. He would take a very gentle, wet towel and wipe his face once a week to get rid of the buildup of dead skin, and from the pictures, he really did get cured. He also said that his skin was "glowing and radiant" when he did this, but i'm only relaying information. For shaving, he just used plain water but kept interaction to a minimum, so maybe try that out?

>>12397769

this is very good

any tips for red acne scars under the skin?

>>12401647
Time. Or laser.

>>12400634
Wouldn't that not work for oily skinned people?

adapelene and benzoyl peroxide work great, i didn't care about my hygiene for a good 5 months and was covered in acne and in the past 2 days using that shit has made most of it go away

>>12397742
>> girls tell me literally the only thing holding me back is my acne
See it as a blessing you're dodging these fake ass skanks lmao.

>>12402981
yeah honestly what the fuck kind of people do you associate with

>>12397742
Try only using cold water on your face and consume a lot of vitamin A through carrots or sweet potatoes. I'm probably not as severe as you but when using medication and washing daily etc. i still had a bit that wouldn't budge. These 2 things gave me near perfect skin plus the beta carotene gives you nicer complexion

>>12397742
>girls tell me literally the only thing holding me back is my acne

How beta do you have to be to ask women what is "holding you back" physically?

>>12399486
https://pastebin.com/uextz28M

(8x too long for 4ch)

>>12399425
A long time ago. Even though I have used it for other purposes, I did not get a chance to try it on acne. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence online, though.

>>12403423
>>12403276
>>12402981
Jesus fucking christ, calm down. It was me, 2 girls, and 2 guys and we were having a real talk about each other. We also talked about how one of the girls wears too much makeup and how one of the guys wasn't one unassertive motherfucker.

>>12398950
This. Now my skin is wrinkled and aged looking. Life is hell.

>>12397742
I used to have it even worse than in OP's picture. One day I just gave up---stopped "treating" it and just washed my face with plain water whenever I showered. I always made sure the water wasn't too hot when it hit my face (warm water on your body might actually be too hot on your face). I have naturally oily skin and used to over-wash. This made me skin dry and would over-produce oil to compensate. I wish I had told my younger self that dryness always = breakouts. Oil doesn't cause breakouts--dry skin and too much oil does.

>>12397742
Other than medication, make sure you use gentle face cleanser like cetaphil or something like that.
Make sure you moisturize when your face is still slightly wet.
Be careful of benzoyl peroxide because it dries out your skin, make sure you apply very lightly.
Also, to prevent breakouts, watch what you eat. Make a food diary for example and monitor what foods causes you to break out. It's peanuts for me.

>>12397742
use clindamycin and take cold showers you greasy fuck

>>12397742
>in the exact same pool as op
>took minocycline for too long it gave me rheumatoid arthritis
>had a miracle healing from the arthritis and am too scared to get on acne meds again
...

on a plus side I started benzyl peroxide again (5%) and its working really well

>>12398950
anti aging cream
people say tretinoin also helps with wrinkles don't know if true

legit tho.... i use salt LOL. like i was 14 ish when i barley started to break out like that, n my mom was like "put some salt on that gay shit" so i was like "okay mom i love you" n i did, AND IM LIKE ACNE FREE but i breakout sometimes >:( oh n like mix the salt with a lot of water in a container or smthn, then kinda just slab it on when you take a shower or have time in the morning. leave it on for like longer than 40 seconds but not any longer than uh 2 min or youll dry the fuck out of your skin. but then again your a guy and have gay guy skin and im a girl with gay ass girl skin, but it should prob work for you. (btw, i personally dont REALLY think acne is that much of a problemo. but then again im not that shallow, so if those girls are telling you that your acne is the reason your not getting pussy is either they have too high of standards OR arent really that interested in you >.>)

>>12405937
Kys

How old are you senpai?

If its hormones, which it sounds like it is, sometimes there's nothing to be done but to ride it out. Not good news, sorry, but if you're still youngish, there's still a chance it'll get better on its own.

>>12404276
>https://pastebin.com/uextz28M
I don't have time to read every sentence of every article you have in your sticky. Knowing what's been published and who the people are writing these articles for their phD brings me to the point where I discredit articles if they have been poorly written, have no entry in major journals etc. Now for your first article, which I think is terrible, this is mentioned: However, existing data are rather contradictory, are often too descriptive, are not always organized in the proper way and are rarely based on evidentiary medicine.
This is followed by several references to authors. I'll just pick one: In 2007, V. Treolar [8] claimed that effectiveness of diet therapy for acne treatment had been neither proved nor overturned

If you also believe this "publication" has been poorly written; I have no idea why you would include it as a credible source.

2nd:
Although there are no randomized controlled clinical studies investigating the impact of milk and dairy products on sebaceous gland signal transduction

This is the important part. If you admit this you can't establish a causal link

3rd: Keyword here buddy: "suggests"

"Scientists almost always says "more research is required to elucidate this and this"."
Not if it's conclusive.

dynamic condition in which both spontaneous improvements and flares can occur over time.

I know it's a characteristic, however it has a huge impact on your research.
The skin cleanser part is a major fuck up, giving less credibility to the work done.
>The most statistically likely scenario is therefore that it didn't impact the final result of the study.
Explain.

4th:
>Correlation is all we ever have.
Well mate, then we agree :^)

>written by one PhD and two MDs
This means nothing. There are tons of redundant/bad publications.

>>12404276
>>12407011
>Did you read it? The most recent evidence is very conclusive.

I did. Define conclusive. To me it's when you give evidence in an outcome based theory.

>This is a basic problem of epidemiology anywhere.
Ok? Good thing diet isn't only epidemiology? Where's the other part?

Look I think the same method should be used here as they do in medicine. It's the only way you can prove an outcome based theory. You need outcomes and evidence. You won't find it. If there was evidence you would find these papers in JAMA for example.

>>12407011
>>12407069
> If you admit this you can't establish a causal link

I've already stated what I believe is necessary to establish a probable causal link. I've already provided the epidemiological background and the likely biochemical mechanisms (and I haven't even brought up the overwhelming amounts of anecdotal evidence (and when n->[large numbers], you get meaningful results)). If you want to get into some metaphysical discussion about correlation and causality, then I'm not really interested.

>This means nothing. There are tons of redundant/bad publications.

Yes, but this one is in the International Journal of Dermatology.
From the International Society of Dermatology.

>If there was evidence you would find these papers in JAMA for example.

Like these?

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamadermatology/fullarticle/479093?resultClick=1
>Acne Vulgaris - A Disease of Western Civilization
>Archives of Dermatology (JAMA Dermatology)

>Dietary interventions using low–glycemic load carbohydrates may have therapeutic potential in the treatment of acne because of the beneficial endocrine effects of these diets. [...] These endocrine changes are consistent with those known to promote normal follicular cell proliferation and to reduce sebum production. It is possible that low–glycemic load diets may have therapeutic potential in reducing symptoms of acne, a disease virtually unknown to the Aché and Kitavans.

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamadermatology/article-abstract/527904?resultClick=1
>Current Acne Therapy - A Compiled Report
>Archives of Dermatology (JAMA Dermatology)

>Dietary Restrictions—Prohibit: chocolate, cocoa, nuts, iodized salt, cola drinks. Restrict: Fatty foods, dairy products, sweets.

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But then we also have things like:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamadermatology/article-abstract/479382?resultClick=1
>The Unwelcome Return of the Acne Diet
(critical of the above study)

Then there are some articles I can't access.

I don't get why this kind of threads always attract pretend scientists.

>>12407171
Btw, let's see what Acta Dermato-Venereologica says.

medicaljournals.se/acta/content/abstract/10.2340/00015555-1346

>Clinical and Histological Effect of a Low Glycaemic Load Diet in Treatment of Acne Vulgaris in Korean Patients: A Randomized, Controlled Trial

>Histopathological examination of skin samples revealed several characteristics, including reduced size of sebaceous glands, decreased inflammation, and reduced expression of sterol regulatory element-binding protein-1, and interleukin-8 in the low glycaemic load group. A reduction in glycaemic load of the diet for 10 weeks resulted in improvements in acne.

It also provides the Diet in Acne one by Bodo Melnik, which I linked originally.

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>The most statistically likely scenario is therefore that it didn't impact the final result of the study.
>Explain

"Topical therapy, in the form of a noncomedogenic cleanser, was standardized for both groups"
- study quote

In other words, they controlled for it. So it wasn't a fuck up.

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>I did. Define conclusive.

It could be worth mentioning that this author has previously published in the JAMA Archives of Dermatology. It's conclusive in the way that it paints a broad picture and connects all of the different independently reliable dots (epidemiology, mechanisms) and creates a bigger whole.

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Based off this, it doesn't seem like we're going to be able to convince the other person of our point of view. Also, this is taking up too much of my time. If you would like to have some final words in our internet science discussion, then please feel free. I'm grateful for this unusually (for 4chan) courteous interaction.

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>>12407181
>2017
>not in STEM

GL in 30 years, mister expendable :^)

>>12407181
"I don't understand this so they can't either"