What happened to sub-fashions/cultures in America? Like, why aren't there any new ones? I don't think I've seen a new subfashion since the scene and emo days. Is there some reason kids don't want to express themselves anymore? Is it because everything is commercialized? I can't be the only one who feels nostalgic about this shit.
(Stupid make up tumblr subfashions don't count fyi)
the same thing is happening in japan where all the alternative fashions are replaced with "normal" fashion, almost exclusively Uniqlo. isn't this what most people want? normalization of dress and conformity? i have a separate wardrobe of what i consider "normal" clothes and alternative fashion clothes(lolita), but I wear almost exclusively my normal wardrobe because Im a college student and want to fit in and just do my studies.
Also, I think minorities are the ones that killed it. They're obsessed with "gangsta rap" shit. They don't philosophies and digest the culture they live in, so they're hostile against teenaged angst. Thus, there is more bullying and teens feel less comfortable in expressing themselves. If you look at twitter and Instagram most of the cancerous new trends are influenced by PoC. Kids aren't starting their own bands anymore and aren't generating performable music. There are a lot more ethnic minorities now then there were back in the day, and they've had a devastating effect on us culturally.
Their cultures are generally macho and anti intellectual. Most young people are very materialistic and empty headed.
>these are the things white people think in their heads but won't say outloud.
Christ this is so cringeworthy. Go outside, man.
>What happened to sub-fashions/cultures in America?
>(Stupid make up tumblr subfashions don't count fyi)
lol stupid flyover state poster
>you can't make this up
this guy is the only logical response to OP
I live in Paris. I know about the whole rhetoric. Yes, there is bullying. Yes white kids can get bullied in poor neighbourhoods.
The fact is everything you describe has nothing to do with the matter at hand - sub-fashions being fewer than in the past.
The problem here is that you are not saying that "white kids can get bullied in poor neighbourhoods".
You are actively writing a work of fiction, spouting the most inane, absurd and ludicrous things to somehow justify your delusion.
Or maybe you're just "trolling".
What I'm talking about is the fact that minority culture has taken over and become the new mainstream. If white kids were the ones in charge of shaping the culture, it would be very different. We would have lots of new and uneiqu subcultures and music instead of the stupid black people twitter memes
white kids=interesting subcultures
mud kids=no subcultures and anti-individualistic environment
subcultures and other fashion microcosms still exist but are few and far between
because instagram and tumblr exist its very easy for culture vultures to hop from scene to scene without actually partaking in anything
just because your a racist doesn't mean whites can do anything
hes right tho
i cant recall a single impactful subculture from the last five decades that hasnt been started by whites
maybe streetwear and its 20XX's resurgence + the (((art hoe))) movement aka white people art made trendy again and reclaimed by annoying instagram lightskin girls
Name one subculture in the US started by mud people that's not gangsta based ogga booga where da base at shit. Rap music has been a cancerous subculture that's been infecting the youth for years. Meanwhile, things like emo, scene, goth, ect were interesting and unique..
>Meanwhile, things like emo, scene, goth, ect were interesting and unique.
those arnt even true subcultures
All fine literature, classical music, theatre, cinema and fashion has come from Europe or been developed in Europe from something else, what is Africa doing? What culture does Africa have? Despotism, gang rape, murder.
In Europe you have 225 languages spoken in fifty sovereign states, who the fuck do you think you are to talk about me and my people like this?
The people that developed computer science and the internet you're using to talk about white people where white, thousands of years there were people inhabiting Africa, not a road nor church built until the Dutch arrived.
How dare you.
And in those fifty sovereign states there are all unique cultures spanning thousands of years back in to the past, a few kilometres away from one another, different food, different fashion, tradition, political opinions.
You had nothing before us and what we introduced to you, the only reason you aren't in chains now is because we don't want it, keep prodding the sleeping giant you insect.
I think the popularisation of the internet changed the game when it comes to subcultures. Kids nowadays get their fashion from the internet instead of from eachother, and there is less incentive to belong in an IRL group with similar ideals and style, so the only subcultures we see are shallow ones focused on aesthetic and hard to find outside instagram or tumblr
a sadboy doesn't actually need to know any other sadboys IRL, he just does "aesthetic" photos on instagram and listens to yung lean, that's all it takes
What about crust punk and neofolk? Both are not "new" but still exist and don't seem to be dying down anytime soon. Both have their specific music and other cultural goods, their specific practices and their specific fashions and both exist in real life more then on the internet.
Eh. We're probably just in a lull. It happens. Look at the fifties.
There's hipsters right now, and orange county trash is still going strong. NY Bohemians are probably having a resurgence. I wouldn't know.
Beyond that, though, we may just be in a conservative period. If the leftists can learn to be more convincing or enjoyable to be around in the next ten years we might have a new sixties. If not, whatever. We'll have to wait for the next major war/social depression/drug craze cycle to kick it off.
You have to think about why these trends come about, anon. Emo/scene was the end of a long string of movements that dovetailed into eachother nicely. The world right now is also so pluralistic that there is nothing specific to react to. Thus, the base state of conservatism reigns.
>The days of MyYearbook
>Could easily find kids from my school and message them without all the bullshit FB makes you go through
>Made a fake account using pictures of cute emo boy
>Get messages from girls in my school (and girls in general)
>Play along and then troll them by pretending to be in the Ku Klux Klan
>Some of them were actually okay with it
I also pretended to have molested my little brother. Good times, good times.
The best part...
>Used fake account to contact high school bully
>Start an online romance with her
>Break up with her with claims she's too fat/ugly
>mfw she deleted the picture I called her fat in
Subcultures are artificial. Hippies were created by the CIA.
It's possible that the engineers are now busy elsewhere or they believe they have engineered society enough to where they don't really need to do more at the moment.
Or possibly it's that with increased college participation their focus is just slipping what they want us to think into academia.
Where do you think the whites come from in America?
I don't go to /pol/ I'm not saying we're superior I'm sick of people fucking saying we have no culture, I'm English we have a fucking culture.
>I think minorities are the ones that killed it. They're obsessed with "gangsta rap" shit.
Reality: Gangsta rap is more or less dead. Rappers wear skinny jeans and dress like ASAP and Kanye. There
You sound like a clueless, overprotective Boomer parent... in the 90s.
Where literally does your perception of the world even come from? Do you actually not go outside?
>There are a lot more ethnic minorities now then there were back in the day, and they've had a devastating effect on us culturally.
What the actual fuck? You realize Emo was only like 15 years ago m8? I can tell you racial demographics in the US have changed only slightly between now and fucking 2002. We're not comparing now to 1950 or something...
>most of the cancerous new trends are influenced by PoC
So why don't white just do something better and be influential themselves--I mean the white race is the master race and superior...right? Why can't the high IQ, philosophical, creative amazing whites just outdo "nogs" and shit?
it's not niggers, it's social media and the atmosphere of constant publicity of each and every move you make, the obvious divison of culture into the normals and the outsiders and the fear of being different that comes from it, which are at the core of cultural centralization among young people.
>find old school mates on FB
>pretend to be gay and trap
>have sex with said mates
>make sure to get picks of him pounding my asshole and his ballsack roughly hitting against mine
>swallow his hot cum
>post the pics on his wall
>mfw I was only pretending to be gay
normies never saw it coming
This is true, we're basically back in the 50s.
Which is exciting, soon there might a new tiki culture equivalent and then a new dada or beatnik movement equivalent. Hopefully the next hippie revolution equivalent will do away with all the scientism successfully.
Best post in thread.
Also, I believe that hipsters are still the most dominant subculture,sure their fashions have changed, but the basic idea is the same.
If you go out in any 50k+ town, the only real subculture you can find are the hipsters. (try finding a sadboys bar)
Also people on /fa/ and on internet in general are so obsessed with finding the next big thing, that they overinflate every little stupid trend like sadboys, palewave, slavcore etc.
Also niggers will always have their gangsta streetwear kim k shit, and some whites will wear it too, it was always like that, so telling that minorities are changing todays fashion is stupid.
Maybe a couple centuries ago. Boiled meat and blood pudding is quite the cuisine. Mwuah
Also I'm just taking the piss friend. Don't take this board too seriously it messes with people's heads.
>tfw already 20
>by the time a new, cool subculture comes along i will be too old to participate
I'm just sick of the "white people have no culture" thing people say it here too, it's just not true.
It's just a meme, obviously it's not true. I wouldn't take it too far, friend.
Also I think the reason for that dish is because of WWII. Things were rough.
The hippies thing is legit, look into it. All of the major players that started it were kids of high ranking military and intelligence officers.
The only subcultures that might be legit are the ones that are short-lived, isolated and never receive media attention.
What are you talking about? You are saying minorities are the mainstream?????? A MINORITY CAN'T BE MAINSTREAM THEREFORE THEY ARE MINORITIES!!!!!!
There are so many variations of "minority" it isn't just "NIGGAZZZ". There are Asians on the west coast, Slavs, litterally every race imaginable is in America and not to mention there is a big difference between a higher upper class black person who lives in LA and someone who lives on the ghettos of New York.
>TLtR; you're using "minorities" as a umbrella term to suit your image made up by your own ignorance
This post proves that you're a moron who has no idea of how any of this works. Fun fact: "scene" didn't have a wiki article or much information about it outside of MySpace when it was actually relevant either.
Who cares? Most subcultures have been uninteresting as fuck. Hippies, hipsters, emos, preppy: they all fucking suck. Good fashion always comes from the outliers and proceeds to be normalized, first by sub"cultures" and then by mainstream fashion players. The difference is the internet has acelerated this process tremendously, making hyped styles peak, be normalized and crash in just a few years instead of a decade or so.
Just experiment and try to create your own unique style, as impossible as that seems
How fitting of you to bring up embarrassment. Makes fun of "nogs" but can't even spell. Moron.
>Gangsta rap died in 2005
It is basically dead. I mean, drill rap is a thing but it's not a super mainstream thing. Rap continues to talk about the high life and shit, but yeah cop killing and the hood is kind of over.
You know rap music today is a lot less masculine generally than it was in the emo days. And mainstream rap actually evolves unlike mainstream rock so that might have something to do with it.
"Streetwear" as we know it today spawned from the grunge and skate movements of the 90s. Nike SB, Stussy Supreme had huge parts in this, along with old roots in punk music and recently hip-hop
people grow up and have to get jobs, bands lose popularity or change their look. it's the same reason your mom doesn't have a blowed out hairspray afro and dresses like she's going to a blondie concert. there's probably bands coming up that are "alt emo punk rock" that fit that mold that have a similar following of girls that dress a certain way to fit in with a certain aesthetic, but you're older so you're not aware of it.
like is this really that hard to understand?
Theyve diversified, meaning rappers are taking elements from punk and rock aesthetic. And white people are taking elements from gangster culture like sagging ripped pants and oversized/tall tees. Also normcore/uniqlocore trend is popular because you can look good without being too edgy or drawing too much attention (dad caps, earthtones, peacoats etc). Also the fetishization of depression created the future goth/punk sadboy shit.
I found something lıke the 2010s equivalent.
Go to the Facebook group "death grips trash posting"
Look at the girls there. Black band shirts, Dyed hair, chokers and piercings. Not all are fat feminatzi tumblerites either. some are just as attractive as a girl could look in that or the retarded shit scene kids would wear. Music has evolved. There is still dark and emotional music but it is more electronic.
Maori screeching intensifies
Also the mata are objectively more effay than any other bionicle set with the acception of the rahi
Not OP, but I was just thinking about this recently. I realize there aren't any "alt girls" like there were in the 90's where it was a subculture separate from the mainstream . Think prep vs goths or rockers back in school. Now it's all been co-opted by the general population in what you can describe as the Tumblr look. It's not so much about the music and subculture anymore, now it's just muh pastel goth A E S T H I C.
The deal is that there isn't really a mainstream anymore.
Name one musician that everyone likes. This is why no one can be happy with the super bowl half time show. In the 90s people were happy because you could find musicians everyone loved.
So when you see mainstream brands catering to all the subcultures it isn't really the normalization of subculture but the lack of a mainstream.
>It's not so much about the music and subculture anymore, now it's just muh pastel goth A E S T H I C
so music basically defined the subcultures and has changed into nothing but appearances now?
I doubt that. theres a whole thread on this thread about """indie""" girls
IMO the internet has led fashion in 1000 directions at once instead of several main branches. people buy online from around the world instead of locally. people buy what they see as cool online instead of what they see other people wearing in person. sure some groups dress in similar aesthetics (5 goofy rick ninjas photographed together) but it isn't nearly as uniform as it used to be.
The commodifying of "geek culture", the rise of hipsters, and the proliferation of the internet simply democratized and stratified most, if not all, of what were once fringe subcultures. It's no longer a matter of which mall store you go to, because now everybody knows the kind of things that your kind do and talk about.
The lines have been bluured so much, that we're at a point where previous social rejects like weeaboos and furries are now just as fluent in Twitter and Instagram memes as most normies.
As far as I'm concerned, the future of youth subcultures lies in the realm of politics.
>95% white states that have double the population of the average european country aren't white because I say they aren't white
k lars, enjoy your refugees. maybe if your countries took census on race you'd be able to call yourself white too.
I think because of the rise of the smartphones and Instagram etc., every subculture becomes mainstream. I think Tumblr is where a small group of people starts liking a certain thing and from there it starts growing and as soon as something get to be famous on Instagram it starts becoming mainstream.
A very good example would be Thrasher, Acne Studios or Ozweegos.
having a subtle "scene kid" look was seriously GOAT. I'm not talking going overboard with all the dyes and hairstyles, but just acessorizing a bit and going to the shows. tons of hot girls, and they could be as in to it as possible for all I care. if anyone called you a faggot you could laugh it off because there was a big ironic element to a lot of it, and an overlap with skater culture. good times.good pussy.
please. the closest thing to mainstream music is clean as fuck.
taylor swift and beyonce(less now she is becoming more of an activist) are not on the level of rihanna or ariana grande in selling sex. miley was hugely controversial and never had a super big fan base.
for male artists what really is there that is mainstream? bruno mars? one direction? ed sheraan? it sure isnt bieber. kanye is too controversial to be mainstream.
there are really vanilla people out there that do not respond to degeneracy.
You obviously don't go outside
Coming from my own experience from when I used to be a /pol/ user in high school is that racism comes from ones own self hatred and insecurities. I used to be the naziboo nig nog hater that's so prevalent in this thread until I grew up. You're all going to either regret this later on in life or never face the reality of your self hatred. You're taking your inner frustrations out on minorities, the same thing the blm people do to white people. You are no better than anyone else. Once you go outside and see life for what it really is, then you'll learn your mistakes. It's all childish, it really is.
People are naturally racist, the idea that kids are some blank slate with no racism in it is bullshit.
Kids will pick on the kid that looks different. If it's a bunch of whites and there's one black kid in the school the black kid will have a hard time. Same as if it's the other way around. Those kids might not know the word "nigger" they are just compelled to dislike and pick on the different kid. They probably couldn't give you a good reason why they do it.
What we actually learn is to not be racist, much time and resources goes into teaching us that: it is up to you to judge whether that is a good or bad thing.
We are aware of people like you, we find you distasteful and a little puzzling.
Most of us were like you are *now* into our early 20s and then we started to experience diversity and we started to learn. Very few of us are like you claim you used to be.
For the most part it is not about hatred, for us. Admittedly it will be for some. What it is really about is the 14 words.
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.
We take past and present immigration data and we take white birth rates vs PoC birth rates and we project that into the future. We see a very bleak future for our people. We want our people to survive.
Generally it's not so much that we hate PoC as we hate what they do in our countries and wish we could deport them all ASAP. If we don't live together they can't hurt us and we lose our grievances against them. Do you ever encounter racism against the uncontacted tribes of Brazil?
As for American animus against blacks (I assume you are one, I am not one) if you can see the crime stats and not be annoyed: you just have your head in the sand, mate. You have no right to take the moral high ground against an American upset about pic related.
Not baiting at all. You're telling this guy "Oh I used to be like you but then I GREW UP."
Are you unaware of what is going on in the USA? The blacks are a small part of your population but they almost beat the racial majority in crime stats. They do much more harm to you than you to them.
And it's not any "legacy of slavery" it has gone up since the Civil Rights era.
It's monstrous and I would argue, quite racist, to pretend it's not happening and try to shame people upset about what blacks are doing to whites.
Have you ever followed one of those "sources" to the original page? Because the source you just posted doesn't exist. You literally believe everything you read on the most biases insecure place on the internet, and you're calling me racist. No seriously, go try searching it yourself, or any of those other pictures you no doubt have saved. If I can't take the moral high ground, which I definitely can you autist, then I will take the logical one and call you out for your fake source and fake facts. You are a hypocrite and only proving my point.
>I'm so much more enlightened than you sheep
Go ahead and get me a link to real current statistics, and then maybe you will have a valid argument. Until then, you're only proving my point.
What you're doing now is also not surprising but it is a little better than what often happens. See guys like you look for one thing to pick out because we all want to maintain our current beliefs, right? Often it's just a typo. But I'll give you some credit because no presented evidence is a pretty good thing to pick, right? I think you are over-stressing it though because you haven't addressed my question to you. Do you really believe blacks and whites commit the same amount of crime? I will give you some study material, though.
Check out a book called "The Bell Curve" and Google "transracial adoption study." These things will show you that blacks have a lower average IQ than whites. (Also that whites get beaten by East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews. Brahmin Indians beat everyone else if they can be considered a racial group.)
"So what?" You might say. Being less intelligent doesn't mean you're a criminal, right? Well yes and no. There is a "sweet spot" for criminality and this is well known. It's where someone is too dumb to really think far into their future and realize the crime is not worth it but they are smart enough to co-operate and conduct criminal operations.
As it so happens the bell curve of blacks sticks a huge amount of their population in that sweet spot.
There was another thing you can look up it was an insurance company's work deciding what were the risks for property owners. Poverty, lack of education etc. They found that the amount of blacks in an area actually trumped things like poverty. And this isn't so beyond belief because we know dumbass, poor whites commit crimes than more intelligent and well off blacks. See: trailer parks.
"X beat everyone else if they can be considered a racial group"
makes no sense to lump whites all together including southern hicks and then say "yeh and these certain indians are smart". compare them to the specific subset of SF or NY and they'll get beat too, but the data means nothing.
stop spewing racial trash garbage on a fashion forum, go get a life.
I'm not lumping all whites together, though. Racial IQ distributions are a bell curve. There are very intelligent blacks and very stupid whites.
See about 68% of people fall around the average and then there's a sprinkling on either end of the scale.
So by this you can see about 30% of whites are pretty dumb, right? 100 IQ is the average, specifically the average for whites. So if we get smarter or dumber our IQ average is always 100 because it's set to us.
The IQ average for East Asians is 108 or so. Hispanics are between us and blacks and blacks are pretty low but not as low as say... Australian Aboriginals, pygmies, bushmen.
American blacks are also slightly smarter than a lot of pure Africans.
I'm not saying we should definitely say Brahmin Indians are a different race to Untouchables. I'm saying if we did they'd be the most intelligent.
I'm not certain you can dismiss that so easily, though. How much do the castes breed with each other? I don't actually know. I suspect that very intelligent members of lower castes probably bred into the Brahmins and the dumbest Brahmins maybe breed into lower castes.
If you look at caste and IQ it is interesting. They vary greatly.
This board is now full of niggers and underage b&. It's actually an accurate reflection of the current state of fashion. People that think "streetwear" is cool because niggers and nigger culture are trendy to dumb white liberals
no idiot, people mixing different styles and creating new waves from old inspiration is an increase in differences not comformity
That line of thinking taken to it's logical conclusion would lead to everyone looking the same. Just a big clusterfuck of all different cultural, social, and economic influences thrown together to look like this>>12310385
heap of garbage
You can't just cite an outdated source and expect that to help you. Even if it was an unbiased source, it's obsolete. Using iq as credible data is not possible. It has been determined that iq is not an accurate representation of an individuals intelligence. You cannot reduce intelligence to a single number. You can't even measure intelligence as it is a subjective thing. Yet again, you are using obsolete data that you read about on the internet so you believe it to be true. Have you ever even read the Wikipedia page on that book? Have you read any argument against that book? No, you haven't because you refuse to admit to yourself that you're the one with problems and are looking for something to be proud of.
>It has been determined that iq is not an accurate representation of an individuals intelligence.
While it is true that IQ isn't perfect it is the best we have. They only say it's not good because they are being pressured to pretend low IQ people can be just as intelligent because they are good dancers or chuck spears really well.
It's bunk. Also Emotional Intelligence is an example of this. If you look at EQ vs IQ high IQ people have better EQs than low IQ people. So EQ and IQ could sort of be considered the same, right?
But the layman might believe some really dumb, emotional person has great EQ and therefore they are equal to anyone.
People aren't equal, mate. I'm dumber than lots of people and also smarter than lots of people. So are you.
The funny thing is you guys that resist this fact, when pushed, often say something like...
>well if blacks are dumber than whites we have to kill them all!!
For some reason their mind goes to gas chambers. Probably all the Holocaust stuff they learned as a kid.
Nah, look, I'm not in favour of genociding dumb people or anything like that. I'm not in favour of laws which preference me over dumber people.
I'm not going to pretend everyone gets the same amount of "stat points" and they just get distributed in different ways, though. Life isn't an RPG.
>everyone is different
You don't have to browse /pol/ to realize that. In fact, all you have to do is go outside. This is the point where I agree with you, and I think that's probably the best way to end this. I'm pleasantly surprised that I could have an intelligent conversation with someone on 4chan
Social media has allowed for a larger insight on foreign cultures that diminished the need for a strong identity. No one really identifies with a set of strong ideologies anymore, save for the 2 most predominant subcultures of the late 2010s, the Alt-Right and the Far Left.
When we look back on this time period, we'll likely remember the young white men who supported Trump in red MAGA hats with a strong distaste for immigrants, and the minorities who opposed them using the internet and social media as their strongest assets. Subcultures are remembered for opposing whatever central culture's prevalent at the time, just as how the hippies opposed the war, punk opposed disco, and scene kids opposed whatever it was they were opposing. Aside from left/right-wing politics, there's not much else to respond to.
The American 2010s will likely be remembered for rap (trap, drill, mainstream, underground/soundcloud) and the subsequent downfall of other genres, the influence of black Americans over the rest of America, the overwhelming presence of social media in real life, and the sharp contrast in beliefs between Liberals and Conservatives. Everything else will be obscured over time.
>The world right now is also so pluralistic that there is nothing specific to react to.
oh and to add onto this, fashion-wise (forgot i was on /fa/), the 2010s will be remembered for mass produced, fast fashion devoid of any semblance to culture and individuality. anything worn by any 14-18 year old who owns a twitter or anything advertised by rappers will just be grouped into one big category desu
I could discuss this but I'd rather conform to Loetschental 1932 culture, they had no prison, they smiled hardily, they were workers and villagers and oh gosh... i cry because I probably reincarnated from there, and today it's been modernized / changed drastically
>They're generally just boring and vapid. They all have, like, the same exact personality.
I live in Southern California, this can be used to describe 90% of the people I meet, regardless of race.
lets not upset the white people's feelwings! lmao but non-whites are the sensitive liberal cry babies. ugh fa has always been shit now its just another pol hole like the rest of the internet now.
what the fuck are you on, there's plenty. definite revival in androgynous industrial / goth, dressing like the roster of 1996 tampa am spearheaded by a few faggots (jason dill to boot), odd future with lil yachty passing the torch into another grueling year, techwear??, or circlejerk of 3rd rate streetwear brands (look at everyone interviewed by Nojumper)
You've been jumping at the chance to exploit us with feigned outrage for decades, I am not racist, I do not believe in white supremacy I'm saying that white people voted for fucking Donald Trump as a response to decades of this shit.
Even if I state clearly I'm not racist black people still say I am because I'm white, there's no way to win so you've polarized society, my ex gf is black I like black people but you are pushing people that's all I'm saying.
And besides no one in the mainstream is pushing the lie that you have no culture and countries of your own.
It's not over reacting when you get told all the time you're the sole problem in the world.
Emo became scene. Scene branched off into br00tal kids and hipsters. Br00tal kids became hipsters. Hipsters branched off into a million little sub-scenes (pastel goth, ghetto goth, dd/lg, Kardashian clone, Instagram thots).
>there's probably bands coming up that are "alt emo punk rock" that fit that mold that have a similar following of girls that dress a certain way to fit in with a certain aesthetic, but you're older so you're not aware of it.
Twenty One Pilots.
No, it doesn't. Diversity is a matter of quantity of different things. Before mixing you have two cultural lineages making very different musics, dressing differently, speaking differently, living differently, etc, each of them with unique and diverse possibilities for development. None of these cultures is more diverse than the other and none is better or worse than the other. After mixing the same applies but the two lineages have become one. None of these cultures is worth more than another but suddenly there is one less.
I know what you mean and it's not just in the USA.
All of the sub-cultures have crossed over into each other with this Instagram/Tumblr fueled shitty streetwear gangster shit look. People are more obsessed with their image and fake Instagram persona than ever before.
Everyone's wearing skinny jeans, bomber jackets, heavy metal t-shirts and Yeezys. Everyone listens to trap and EDM. People who used to be emo, "normie", athletic, or whatever are all listening to and wearing the same shit. Trends come and go so fast nowadays that it's not worth your time even trying to keep up with. Nothing new has happened in ages, people just keep on going back to things that used to be unique or popular years ago.
Anything "white people" is boring and uninteresting. Multiculturalism has taken over. People think they're unique but things have never been as unoriginal as they are now.
I'm just explaining how it is, I'm not from /pol/ or racist.
I still see emo/ scene kids all the time. I mean they're only young kids but I still see them around all the time its not dead. dont expect to see it much outside of highschool people grow out of it QUICKLY.
Nah the worst part is definitely when you don't give any reasons for why something is bad other than that you don't agree with it
All you had to do was give a goddamn counter-argument CJ
This, 80's movies for example were macho as fuck but they weren't degenerate
The problem is low IQ and degeneracy and the people that represent that. Of course, when a macho person represents those things it's a bigger problem than if a nu-male or some old pervert does.
Everything is just a random mix of shit goof hats worn unironically by gangstas OMFG!!!!It must be the next thing.Shit used to be practical.Gangsters drove continentals with suicide doors to throw people out.Groovy mofos wore rhinestones to turn themselves into discoballs.Now people just wear a chuck berry tshirt and,no I need A Fats Dominos tee cuz i saw some dumb fuck with chuck.To be a movement it has to go somewhere.
Vaporwave would be a breath of fresh air. It's ironically good and depending on when it becomes mainstream it could be a play on streetwear of the mid to late 2010s.
/fa/ just overlooks it as a meme and nothing more because nobody knows what's good at first even if it's right there in their face.
I think your intentions and biases are obvious and I don't agree with them, but what you're saying has a grain of truth, even to someone like me who doesn't mind the influx of minorities. I think urban style has infiltrated all alt or partially alt people, the "cool" thing now is to embrace urban style and POC style, so young women wear hoop earrings and red lipstick and dark thin eyebrows. The increase in alt-dressing youths who have no ACTUAL connection to alternative ANYTHING is really bothersome to me. Also, there are hundreds of variations of "style", combining "internet" style with Tumblr styles and urban styles, and now everyone's "self expression" in style is manifested in their "unique" combination of pop cultural references, even though everyone's pulling from essentially the same pool of shit. I mean, there are definitely subcultures in style that aren't being mentioned, at least at this point in the thread, but the Essence of the point holds true.
These faggots in the /fa/ discord know each other's posting habits and identify each other sometimes with names without namefagging. The fa discord is probably the gayest place on Earth Sieg that namefag needs to kill himself fucking degenerate shills
>You are saying minorities are the mainstream??????
minorities are the mainstream, cause gays, black people are making pop culture now. we had a different situation in 80-s or 90-s
Man, it's so funny. As usual, the /pol/ dudes are right again but for the wrong reasons, making it look like racism prevails. This is what class warfare looks like, people with the same common goals pitted against each other while the elite rich plunder our future and get away free. Man, you guys think blacks have anything to do with white culture degenerating? That's the media, and the fact that "white culture" means not having a future. Civilizations often turn barbaric when they have no future, and Norman Mailer saw this in 1957 when he wrote an essay called The White Negro, although back then it was the threat of nuclear disaster that turned whites into blacks. Dudes, the blacks have long abandoned "gangster rap" as the barren, shallow wasteland that it is. You think blacks go to Run the Jewels concerts? Real blacks are hustling along just like they always have been and had to, thanks to institutional racism. They wash dishes in white restaurants and work fast food. Don't get it twisted just cause the liberal media sold the whites out.
to me, it was all about the girls in 2004 who had short black hair and wore black leather biker jackets to try and be like karen o from the yeah yeah yeahs
Posts like this and the responses they generate is what really makes me /fa/ is a mostly minority board...
Even blacks and latinos will tell you that their cultures are extremely xenophobic and intolerant of things outside their ethic norms or things that are perceived as weak and introspective. The united states has shifted culturally into brown/black people being 55% of kids that fill highschools and colleges. It's not ludicrous to point out that this is the reason why new forms of music, art, and expression aren't surfacing anymore.
>wow like really!?...people think like this in 2017 like just wow...I can't even...kys...wow...
Meanwhile the only subculture to come out of black and hispanic cultures in the past 20 years is the pretentious, hipster-esque, chip on your shoulder, perceived victim of systemic oppression, "intellectual" rap listening, middle class fuckheads.
It's also really stupid that when you have a thread about new and fashionable cultures we can't talk negatively about cultures because then everyone freaks out over the /pol/ boogyman. Forgetting the fact that we are on fucking 4chan...
i love you guys, this is it. I've written at length about this on here before, but allow me to jerk myself off a bit.
cultural movements and fashion trends used to occur geographically - eg, beatniks in Greenwich village, hippies in haight ashbury. the very last geographical subculture to ever come about will be the hipsters of the 2000s, from places like silverlake and williamsburg and shoreditch. however, hipsterism (which is extinct today, mind you, killed by consumerization of the subculture) is also the first visible example of the new way that subcultures are formed - that is, online.
places like effay and tumblr and the male fashion parts of instagram are the new williamsburg. it's the 21st century, like minded individuals need not move across the country to become influential. They join the same online communities and echo chambers and influence each other, largely undetected by the general public.
the scary part about this is the fact that there is now no limit to how many subcultures can proliferate. I used to think that this new era would usher in a complete plurality of interests, that no trends would be overarching and that everyone would finally dress for true self expression. Just as you both have said though, the way that culture is being spread thin results in just the opposite - subcultures abound, maybe, but large and influential and noteworthy movements may never happen again. instead of a culture golden age, it'll experience a kind of heat death, and all change will eventually cease.
>highest single motherhood rate
>race bating cultural leaders
>highest highschool dropout rate
>lowest requirement standards when considered for graduate schools
>inner city murder rates mimicking war torn African nations amongst 16 to 30 year old black males
>highest reliance on government aid per capita
There's no fucking group of white billionaires in pinstripes suits, sitting in leather chairs, behind mahogany desks, whose only thoughts and goals in life are: "how can I keep the black man down?".
Also, when your sole role models are rappers and athletes your culture has a serious problem.
>Thread is full of people giving actual insightful opinions on current culture trends in the United States.
>People mention that minorities and blacks especially dominate popular culture
>some people don't like the direction of said culture and said culture not facilitating other cultures from developing
>this thread is racist as fuck
Quality critical thinking and reasoning skills you got dude.
I've never been on a college campus in my life. I see referencing Norman Mailer made you dismiss the rest of the context of my post, which criticizes the number one thing they teach in university: neoliberalism.
good luck with your disgusting racism, lmao
I'm surrounded by blacks and basically all of them are extremely shallow and narrow-minded. More so than the average other race to where it's disgusting to be around them. Simple fact. This has little to do with fashion but it's basically gotten to the point where we are past words as everyone knows what looks good and doesn't. Just like we all know right from wrong.
You think anyone benefits from acknowledging those? No one with a brain would repeat those statistics in the same context as each other because, besides being racist, it sheds light on America's complicity in destroying an entire civilization and culture. Literally no one cares except your autistic brain that wants to debate the dying phantom of liberalism.
has anyone stopped to mention that there's still plenty of girls that dye their hair stupid colors like green and listen to shit bands like panic at the disco? your subculture didn't go anywhere.
Read between the lines, professor. I'm implying that the statistics exist because of hundreds of years of colonialism and oppression, and if you were as rational and intelligent as you thought you were, you'd follow the "math" to similar, logical conclusions, and better argue that blacks are inferior, rather than sound like a gibbering hillbilly
>keeping written records of events and patterns is oppressive
>it's not the black kids murdering black kids that's the problem it's the white people writing down that black kids are killing other black kids that's the issue
>how dare you use data and the scientific method to arrive at your conclusions you racist hillbilly!
Out of curiosity what logical conclusions should I be arriving at?
You're probably one of those nu-black people that believe systemic racism exists because you have personal anecdotal evidence supporting that claim, but then turn around and call people "hillbilly" because blacks can't be racist. If I were to follow your logic I could say that their is evidence of systemic racism against whites because some fuck on the internet called me a hillbilly...
See the issue of logic?
Listen you fucking nigger. I'm not whatever you imagine I am in your faggot brain. I'm not referencing inner city crime statistics from the 70s, I'm merely referring to this country's history being written in blood by murdering blacks and natives. It's how we became the richest country in the world.
uh oh someones reminiscing about the emotional slideshow their 5th grade teacher made them watch about the trail of tears followed by the absolutely appalling black mob lynchings that were in no way motivated by anything other than racism! cry me a river you kanye west listening carboard cut out of a human.
lol youre a fucking idiot, blacks in the US were bought from blacks in Africa. Don't try the evil white man routine. Native Americans were killing each other and whites just civilized the lands, even if it was at the Native's expense.
If Native Americans or Africans were worth their salt then Africa wouldn't be a shithole and reserves wouldn't be completely overrun by gangs and casinos. At the very least, it would be close to on par with our civilization. North Africa has no excuse for simply destroying the equipment and industry France left them with, when they had an opportunity at prosperity. Black on black crime is rampant in the US and Africa, so don't try to blame the evil white man. gtfo nigger.
Listen here you fucking nigger I'm references statistics as recent as 2014 and I merely explaining that if blacks want to elevate themselves beyond being the laughing stock of the western world then they are going to have to take responsibility for the problems affecting their own fucking communities and stop blaming every fucking problem they encounter on Atlantic slave trade
>Have you ever followed one of those "sources" to the original page? Because the source you just posted doesn't exist.
it used to, I've seen it, and if you actually searched around for 2 minutes im sure you could find it
theyre essentially the same every year btw. less than 10 [reported] white on black rapes nationwide.
You at least acknowledge that we did those things although you seem to think that they should be grateful for the privilege, which is a pretty evil thing to say. I'm sure you feel the same way about our work in the Middle East as well. Good luck with your whole thing.
You'd have to lift them out of poverty and educate them first. Poverty damages the brain, or is that a recent statistic you didn't get from the daily stormer? You're intellectually dishonest and debating you makes me sick to my stomach.
I completely agree. Blame corrupt democrat and minority controlled metropolitan government institutions for not giving black kids the tools to succeed educationally.
Blame black single mothers and absent fathers for not giving their children the tools to succeed at home and creating a vicious circle of crippling poverty.
Your solution I assume is everyone above the poverty line throwing money at blacks to lift them into the middle class...
The ironic thing about your position is that you assume blacks are helpless to help themselves because if other races don't bend over backwards to help them out of poverty they are being oppressed.
What's your solutions to these problems the black race faces then? Since a return to family values and personal responsibility aren't among them...
You assume a lot again. I'm just following your lead, which ends in a race war, apparently. You think blacks can help themselves but then just don't because... Why? They're apes? It's laughable. You got a chicken or the egg situation here because you believe in self-determination on one hand but deny that there's a situation where resources are required in order to do so on the other. Come on, dude.
If Tyrone giving u shit because he had a harder life then u and doesn't understand u lashing out constantly and salivating over pity stunts your creativity go back to Europe and see if you can find enough special snowflakes for you to feel safe, there won't also be less wealth to trigger your jealous beta impulses
jesus christ Im white but how fucking soft are you that you cant take a fucking meme jesus christ pol fags are the worst they say nigger 50 times a day to be edgy but if someone says white people have bad food they have a melt down
subcultures are created by men. Vast majority of the subculture's material would be made by men as well.
Women only cling on to it for the men and social aspect. Because women can't do much besides paint their faces and talk, anyhow.
With the advent of the internet, men have gone their own ways and can be as unique and independent as ever before- they no longer have to dress up to stick out from the people in their towns because the internet is a lot bigger, removing any need for actual IRL tribalism.
When the men are gone, the subculture dies.
But with the women, it's always been that way. It's like cling some edgy alt girl's Instagram, claims to like metal etc but is still subcribed to kylie jenner and yabbers on about the same normie stuff regular girls talk about. Stacies in black.
Remember in high school, the edgy kids all gathered in one group? A few emo and scene kids, the metal heads with long hair and metallica t shirts, stoners etc etc?
All the same. It's like going to a goth music festival and it's a bunch of people fucking off in the middle of a field, picnicking and playing with water guns or what ever. Reddit tier normies, no different from a cosplay con or what the fuck ever.
It's the way things are and we've moved on, I suppose.
Right now the main subculture I can see, living in NYC, is soundcloud rapper/listeners with clothing inspired by rapper like Young Thug, Chief Keef, Lil Uzi, Drake, Kanye and such.
Sipping lean, popping xans, mumble rap, Jordan sneakers, true religion jeans in one category
Faded dad hats, ripped skinny jeans, yeezys or adidas sneakers, big hoodies
And let's not forget Supreme faggots replacing the "sneaker head" trend
Following up here
With these rappers gaining popularity, it's easy to purchase a generic beat, put some half assed lyrics and hype chorus in it, and bam you have a track that you can listen to a few times before it gets boring then you're on to the next one, it's basically the musical equivalent to easy mac/ramen, just pop it in the microwave for a little bit then it's done, getting rid of creating harmony and melodys and shit. Not hating, I almost exclusively listen to "mumble rap"
The increase of drug use like Xanax and lean has halted most of these peoples creative process only regurgitating shit that they've been exposed to their entire lives in rap videos
I'm wearing supreme as I write this and bought the supreme slayer jacket a few weeks ago and own probably 10 more articles of supreme but I've started to sell them all because it's so hyped now that I don't wanna associate with the rich Asian, Indian and Jewish kids who's parents buy them supreme
I live in New York I could walk in the store and buy that shit any time it's cheap as fuck mall tier bullshit, if it was sold at Zumiez there would be no hype
>I live in New York I could walk in the store and buy that shit any time
I envy you. I live in New Zealand and it's almost impossible to get Supreme jacket here. I wish one day I will live in Hipsterland a.k.a Brooklyn
The internet killed it by opening up the door to so much shit and fractured the landscape of subculture's. They still exist but the 10s produced no definitive one.
No hippie, no punk, no got, no grunge, no raver, no emo. And since you can still have a sense of community today without actually having to go outside and meet anyone, a lot of kids just congregate on social networks instead of having to show outside.
The internet opened the door to so many niche's in the past decade that you can pick anything. It's harder for record labels, mall stores, and places like MTV to latch onto anything when there isn't anything big enough for them to sell.
>is student 20 y/o goth in sweden
>fucking depressed by the lack of subcultures, even in swedens largest city