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>>12173836
for people who are used to fasting (greater than 2 days)

What do you suggest in order to sleep at night?

Not eating is the easy part, but I hate the feeling of being in bed and not being able to sleep.

I don't stay in bed all day either, I usually workout for 50 minutes a day and walk a lot too.

I've tried 10mg melatonin, extra strength sleepy time tea, and magnesium before bed and nothing seems to help.

>>12173849
Ambien

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Reposting from last thread to seek out for more tips

I am a 19 year old male, about 67kgs. I've never been quite interested in being skinny or taking up anorexia as a hobby, but recently I've become very self conscious about a certain feature of my body and I wanted to ask you guys about it.

The deal is that my legs, are naturally very fat, large, wide. To be more specific, my calves are massive in comparison to my thin body. They appear very muscular to others, while in reality I don't work them out and they just seem to be massive. Buying skinny / slim jeans is a nightmare because no pair of pants fit properly around my calves and I always have to buy a bigger pair of pants, which end up hugging my calves, yet being way too wide at the waist and way too long.

I don't know if the 65-68 kilogram weight range appears thin to you guys, it probably doesn't, but many would describe me as a pretty thin dude, a frail, young-looking guy. I don't eat a lot because I don't have a lot of money, live by myself and usually just forget to eat or something. The problem is, while my shoulders and frame in general seem to vanish after periods of starvation, my legs always stay as fat as ever.

Is there any hope for me to have slim, slender legs? Has anyone got any experience with losing weight specifically around the calves for males? I'm tired of looking like a short, stubby-legged dude with no properly fitting jeans. It seems as if I've never had thin legs even when I used to starve for months. What am I doing wrong?

Pic related aren't my legs, but the problem seems to be similar.

>>12173860
anything OTC?

I've considered NyQuil and Zzquil, but I'm fairly certain they're high calories since they have sugar (Ordinarily I wouldn't stress over these calories, I'd rather just stay close to 0 as possible while fasting)

>>12173875
Yeah, I wouldn't drink that sugar while fasting. Those aren't very effective anyways.

Problem is your fight or flight response goes in high gear when fasting. I never take sleep aids except when I fast, taking my gfs ambien.

>>12173873
Is there anything unusual about your walk? (Bow-legged, etc.) I have a friend who is bow-legged and the guy has developed monster calves from the extra exertion.

>>12173873
ask a tailoring shop to make the jeans fit you
>some stores do the job in the same shop
i´m 1.75m and 73kg
>kinda fat but just in the belly

you may look fat depending of your height and body fat %
>if you are cute having 4 or 5 kilograms more is not a big deal, but if you are average like me then start trainig

>>12173873
that guy is likely huge and showing those tree trunks off because he likes them...the good news is you prob have mild body dysmorphia and yours arent that big. maybe measure them and we can compare them with avergae ppl?

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>>12173849
Maybe I'm just lucky but I just can't understand how people have problems sleeping. I have NEVER had issues falling asleep, and I can be out like a light in 15 minutes or less as long as I have a blanket and somewhere to curl up.

Do you go to bed at the same time every day? Having a routine time to go to bed has several benefits and will make you fall asleep easier. Just manually slow and deepen your breathing and go to bed at the same time every night. The rare times I have trouble sleeping, I just "imitate" the physical responses that the body has before falling asleep and it works.

Hey guys I'm 1.79m and 63 kg. What do I do when my mom offers me a sandwich? I don't wanna ruin my way to become the ultimate skeleton but she looks so happy when she sees me eating some food?

>>12173930
Save it for later.

>>12173916
I don't think so, unless I've developed some sort of autistic walk after spending 2 years glued to my computer in my teenage years. I guess noone is brave enough to point anything like that out to me, though.

>>12173920
Yeah, I might be a little bit too fat, I don't know, my body just seems to be out of proportion in general, I don't quite like how I look.

>>12173922
Yeah my legs aren't as huge as that, he's probably built. But I can definitely feel my legs being sort of big, out of proportion with my whole body, and it makes me look weird. Or maybe it's just that my body is not that good looking in general and that's what makes me look weird.

I'm currently in class and I don't have a tape measure at home, I can't take pictures of my legs at the moment

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>>12173873
Look at your ankles. There're no fat of muscles but they are still wide, same your knees. It's just genetics, your lower body skel is huge and there's nothing you can do about it. Bones are bones. They don't grow nor they get smaller.

>>12173953
The pic isn't me, but it might be similar for me.

>>12173853
But I already have hipbones
I'm regular human with a pelvis

>>12173930
Eat it and eat less later?

>>12173930
Tell her you just ate, then save it, and eat it later when she is around. Hits two points: a) you are eating often and b) you liked her sandwich enough to eat it later

>>12173929
I only problems sleeping when I fast for more than one day.

I try to go to bed around the same time everyday (more or less 2 hours)

But often when I'm fasting I will take like 2 hours to sleep.

And when I fall asleep I can only sleep like 1-2 hours at a time.

>>12173849
doxylamine succinate, 50mg

>>12173930
what kind of sandwiches are they?
If your mom is into health foods it can be a fun interest to share, i.e., you can share recipes and things with each other.
When my mom learned that I was trying to lose weight she shared her favorite spinach salad recipe with me and bought me a kitchen scale for christmas. Maybe if you play your cards right you can get her to switch salads for sandwiches.

Anyone else get general anxiety when they stop restricting?

>>12174010
Like you feel anxious about getting fat because you are eating normal again?

>>12174061
No, like I don't worry about eating or getting fat but I feel constantly anxious for no reason (or worry about health etc, starndard GED stuff), but only when I eat on maintenance for more than a few days

>>12173930
Just eat the sandwich, you'll make it up. It's only 600-700 calories tops, your TDEE is probably somewhere close to 2000 calories a day, that's pretty much nothing in the scheme of things to make your mom happy.

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>>12173930
Tell your mom you are trying to eat healthy and like the one anon said, share recipes for healthy sandwiches or something. But you know her better than us; don't try to hurt her feelings or anything.

>>12174069
Not sure why that would be. I will say food has a profound affect on me and I've found changes in diet make a big difference. It could just be maybe you're eating more carbs or something else and it is causing you to have some different feels.

Anyone familiar with I Heart My Body? Best thinspiration is looking at whales promoting their obesity and hideousness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD6XTsX5Aw8

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>>12173930
Scream at her "I'M ON A FUCKING DIET" and then, pin her to the ground, take the sandwich and shove it in her mouth. Make her eat all of it while yelling "WHY WOULD YOU THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA MOM?!@#" while she cries keep shoving it down her throat. Then let her wash that sandwich down with your urine.

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>>12174088
>tfw my fat people hate queue keeps growing

>>12174077
Yeah I eat more carbs mostly, roughly the same amount of protein and specific aminoacids

I was just interested if someone has the same experience, I don't think figuring out why exactly it happens really matters, for all I know it could not even be chemical fuckery and just me subconsciously getting scared of fat without realizing it

>>12174125
>roughly the same amount
I mean when restricting compared to maintenance
Like when I eat more I eat stuff that has less protein and more carbs and somehow end up with the same overall amount

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hidration and mourning of a dead fregg

ilu frof


>>12174161
;_;7

>>12174097
This is very rude anon, you shouldn't treat your mom that way

130 pounds today senpaitachi
hope to keep losing. intermittent fasting really helps :)

>>12174161
rip ciara

are rice cakes bad for losing weight?

>>12174238
Yes.

I tried out IF last week (500-800cal, eating window 5pm-9pm) but didn't see any changes other than decreased appetite. Should I adjust my window/intake or just be patient and keep going?

>>12174238
All carbs are

>>12174250
What changes were you expecting?
I don't think you'd see anything else in a week

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>>12174254
b-but veggies

>>12174238
yes af
You'll be better off eating a couple of fruits if you want some carbs

>>12173836
kissmyashe edition?

>>12174196
>implying she doesn't understand how to handle their autism sperg outs by now

>>12174267
wot?

>>12174263
This is what I needed to hear really. I don't know what I was expecting

>>12174312
Really if you are only eating 500-800 calories a 24 hour daily fast is 100% the way to go from a fat burning standpoint. Splitting that up would become a little silly and then you'd never feel full.

>>12174315
What do you mean by 24 hour daily fast? As in, eat every 24 hours?

>>12174320
Yes. Your basically there, only I'd tighten it up to an hour (say between 7-8pm or whatever works for you). I'm just confirming what you are doing makes sense even if you aren't feeling anything incredible.

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Bread, olives, water for 3 days now. -2kg, feels good

>>12174332
Ah, I see. I was sort of doing that already--the window was just in case I didn't make it home in time for my regular 5pm meal or wanted a snack before bed, but I'll be more strict with it now. Thanks!

>>12174342
Try the same without bread and olives for faster progress

>>12173849
quetiapine, mirtazapine, olanzapine, prothipendyl, alprazolam, lorazepam

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>>12174358
I'm not in hurry

>>12173849
Phenibut. Just don't listen to all the myths on the internet about withdravals. Even after hard recreational (if you can call it that) usage it's still 1% of the urban legends around it

>>12174361
Benadryl will work just as well as quetiapine since it works as a sedative by targeting histamine receptors. Benadryl is an OTC allergy med while quetiapine is an antipsychotic that feels like a fucking horse sedative.

Also quetiapine is associated with major weight gain.

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Is 20' thigh circumference at 5'7 a good number? What should i be aiming at?

>>12174349
You don't have to be if it is working for you. Just do whatever works for you. Try both! I find it to be more of an experimentation thing.

>>12174389
yeah in high doses antipsychotics are severely sedative. but at low dosages it could do the trick and occasional use should not affect your weight. and where i live it is basically free and i was on it for about four years, that is why i thought of it.

>>12174419
Oh I see. I tried the lowest dose available (1/4 of the therapeutic dose) and I couldn't even go up to 1/2 the needed dose. It knocked me out completely, I had trouble standing and couldn't work at all. I also started getting extrapyramidal symptoms so it was an overall unpleasant experience.

>>12174419
*Also I was told the sedative effect would go away with increasing the dose since your body gets used to the antihistamine effect while the other properties of the drug kick in)

>>12174438
Yeah some head drugs the less you take the more sedative they are, the more you take the less sedative. Kind of strange.

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I can't fucking stop eating because of my meds. Pray for me my psychiatrist will prescribe me some ritalin at my next appt.

>>12174390
Idk I have the same one and I look fat but Im shorter


>>12174483
What meds are you on?
Restricting on psychiatric drugs is a bitch, maybe try eating more and working out more

>>12174483
Do you mean you're constantly hungry? If so you can tell your doctor. I got a medication switched when I told him I was constantly hungry, even after increasing my intake, and that even a huge binge wasn't making me feel full (this was actually the truth though).

>>12174521
Oxazepam, zyprexa, lyrica, depakine and effexor. Pretty sure it's the zyprexa that's making me a fatty.

I restrict during the day then at night I get ice cream and chocolate and bread. Maybe I should stop eating so little during the day and try to eat a normal sized breakfast and lunch?

>>12174540
My psychiatrist knows about the hunger issue and I've tried different meds in the past, but none seemed to work as well as the combo I'm on right now.

>>12174545
What's you diet like? Typical day?

>>12174483
Don't mix amphetamines with benzos.

>>12174556
Damn that sucks

Did you try the same set but with newer antipsychotics? I find that abilify doesn't fuck with my appetite and I get really hungry from basically every drug

If you haven't cycled through everything you could probably try something else then change back if it doesn't work

>>12174577
>Breakfast: nothing because I'm a lazy whore who's still asleep in the morning.
>Lunch: one sandwich with vegan cheese
>Dinner: whatever my parents choose to prepare
>evening snack: literally everything in the pantry
>>12174581
I only take the benzos as PRN if it matters
>>12174582
I've been on ablify, stuff did nothing but make me nauseous as fuck. Others I've tried include haldol and risperidon, which I got a terrifying allergic reaction to (which is why I'm reluctant to start experimenting with other meds again).

>>12174556
Oh, that's unfortunate. Good luck!

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All my jeans are too big now and I can't afford new ones.
Thanks /thinspo/

>>12174593
Nothing wrong with skipping breakfast, probably better that way. What time do you eat lunch, dinner and snacks?

>>12174545
>zyprexa
That stuff pretty crazy? My sister takes Seroquel and always wondered how fucked up she must be to be taking that. She takes Seroquel and Klonopin. I think they make her worse.

>>12174607
Sometimes Drs prescribe antipsychotics to patients to stabilise them quickly so they don't hurt themselves, they're not used solely for psychosis.

>>12174624
She's bipolar. No psychosis. Takes those both at night. Makes her pass out and then she is wired the next morning. I think it made her more moody though.

>>12174602
I usually have lunch at 3 pm then dinner at 6.30. Snack needs usually kick in around 10.
>>12174607
It helps me a lot with the chaos/voices inside my head and depressive moods, but as the other anon said not everyone on antipsychotics experiences actual psychotic symptoms. They're used for a myriad of issues, sometimes even just unipolar depression.

>>12174635
I'd say try to eat your "snacks" a bit earlier and avoid lots of carbs. I find when I eat lots of carbs I'm starving the next day. Snack on high fat and protein things.

Are you a NEET?

>>12174628
Oh, yeah they're also used for bipolar disorder.

>>12174598
gunna have to be a bit gangsta for a while senpai

>>12174598
Cheap clothes until you hit UGW.
>tfw have a favorite outfit that's too big now

>>12174607
>>12174624
They're also used in smaller doses for augmenting antidepressants in mostly I think OCD but also depression/anxiety, also other disorders they're pretty multipurpose

>>12174628
It's possible she just got moody in general and would be even worse without drugs though, she's not a brain a jar
Sometimes it can be pretty hard to tell if someone's behavior changed from drugs or something else

>>12174670
Considering she's been on benzos long term I doubt her doctor watches her closely. Everyone knows benzos long term are a horrible idea.

>>12174644
Will do! I'll try and skip the bread from now on.

And yeah, I am.

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>>12174653
I'm actually debating saving up and getting a pair of male black jeans so they fit baggier below the hip, for that sexy lezbo model look.

Offering free attention.

>>12174721
Plz I need it

All this pharmaceutical talk has me wondering...

I'm currently taking progesterone, quetiapine, estradiol, spironalactone, and vistaril.

What impact are these having on my weight and how can I combat it?

>>12173836
Is granola really that bad for you? I usually eat fruit with granola for breakfast but I don't want to be doing myself a disservice.

>>12174835
it has a shitton of calories and no nutritional value, but the same is true for rice, bread, and crackers.

Granola is getting a bad rap because the wheat industry tricked people into thinking it was a health product like wheat bread (which is also very bad for you)

>>12174598
i just wear leggings

>>12174846
Darn, I really like granola.

>>12174858
How many dicks do you take in the rear?

We're beyond counting how many would fit in your mouth.

>>12174876
wow

>>12174858
I refuse to wear leggings as pants

>>12174846
>rice is bad for me
I mean I eat brown rice. Does that help? What the fuck can I supplement my proteins with any more?!!

>>12174858
This, but I only wear leggings if I'm wearing something baggy on top that covers my ass.

I think skirt + stockings/tights is better. I usually just safety pin the waist smaller if the skirt starts feeling too loose.

>>12174821
Pls respond

>>12174885
Legumes

>>12174821
>>12174892
You should really ask the doctor(s) who gave you the prescriptions about the side effects.

>>12174906
I've asked my PCP about it and all she says is weight gain might just be a necessary evil for me to be healthier overall :/

>>12174876
not as many as you

>>12174883
spend money on more pants that wont fit you in a month i guess

>>12174933
Leggings also stretch and eventually get baggy, especially around butt and knees.

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>>12174885
>>12174885
do you not eat meat? i think everyone would be better off cutting high carb foods and wheat products forever, they honestly offer you nothing, even fiber is negligible. the only reason wheat products are on our food chart is because it's the most powerful of the food groups. many people don't know this, but the food groups are separate industries that compete for influence over consumers and keep each other in check. grain has a massive influence thanks to corn, which is now in literally everything bad for you and fed to livestock and etc.

>>12174955
Whole grain carbohydrates have good levels of vitamins, minerals and protein. You also do need carbs in your diet. Unless you are fairly well off financially I don't think you can live off of protein foods and vegetables alone.

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>>12174955
>>12174984

>>12174984
>Unless you are fairly well off financially I don't think you can live off of protein foods and vegetables alone.

?

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>>12174992

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>>12174984
Literally tons of other carb sources.
Quionoa, amarinth, brown rice, legumes.

>>12174995
Meaning it would be too expensive. Getting 1200 daily calories in meat/seafood/chicken and fruits and vegetables without any carbohydrate staple would be really expensive.

>>12174999
Those are all grains or seeds lol
I mentioned brown rice as well >>12174992

>>12174998
>>12174992
is this your idea of proving me wrong? tons of calories and carbs for little payoff.

>>12175012
Yes but good carbs. Better than bread and corn flakes.

>>12175019
>220 calories
>Tons of calories

>>12175021
Yeah I'm not arguing against that. I'm just saying that there's no point in cutting out all grain products from your diet.

>>12174267
>being this much of a cuck
I bet you tip for her videos instead of watching them for free on russian porn sites like a normal person

>>12175004

1. ANIMAL FLESH IS POOR IN PROTEIN RELATIVE TO LEGUMES, AND SEEDS —BESIDE THE FACT THAT CONSUMING ANIMALS IS AN ABOMINATION—, WHICH ARE NOT EXPENSIVE AT ALL; IF YOU WANT PROTEIN EAT LEGUMES, AND SEEDS, NOT FLESH.

2. FRUITS, AND VEGETABLES, ARE NOT EXPENSIVE IF ONE SPENDS ONE'S MONEY IN WHAT IS ESSENTIAL TO ONE'S DIET; MOST PERSONS REGARD FRUITS, AND VEGETABLES, AS "EXPENSIVE", BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SPEND THEIR MONEY, NOR HOW TO EAT, THUS, THEY PRIORITIZE SUPERFLUOUS CHEAP "GARBAGE" OVER THE ESSENTIAL.

BESIDE, FRUITS, AND VEGETABLES, COME IN THIRD PRIORITARY PLACE, AFTER CEREALS, AND LEGUMES.

Theoretically, if one were still within growing age, about halfway through high-school. Chubby but built, should they

A) Cut eating until they become a <10 bf %, probably even <5% (they have done this before and lost 30 lbs in 3 months easily)

b) Keep eating a regular amount in an attempt to gain extra height

asking for a friend

>>12174984
>Whole grain carbohydrates have good levels of vitamins, minerals and protein.

so does meat

>You also do need carbs in your diet

you need absolutely zero carbohydrates in your diet. your liver is quite capable of producing glucose to fuel your brain while the rest of your body runs on ketones.

>>12174835
>Is granola really that bad for you? I usually eat fruit with granola for breakfast

you would be better off having a few eggs. that is a fucking terrible breakfast.

>>12175060
>1.
Isn't there a question of protein quality, though? I was talking to my dad, who isn't a doctor but who used to work in medical labs, about how much protein peanut butter has and he said that chicken breasts, for example, had protein that was more readily processed than the kind of protein found in peanuts: hence, the "highest quality protein" you see on egg cartons and advertisements for eggs.

>>12175060
>1. ANIMAL FLESH IS POOR IN PROTEIN RELATIVE TO LEGUMES, AND SEEDS

animal protein offers all essential amino acids and the majority of micronutrients that you need. if you include things like eggs and milk in the "animal protein" segment, you can get all essential amino acids and micronutrients from "animal protein".

seriously, what the fuck is this post? shut the fuck up.

>>12175036
yeah in one cup. keep eating that stuff though, no loss of my own.

>>12175060
Ffs I was replying to a guy saying that all carbohydrate rich products are useless and should be cut out from your diet (ie: grains, legumes and starchy vegetables).
I said that grains are fine
(>>12174992
>>12174998)
I said that eating fruits, vegetables and pure proteins alone would be expensive.

>>12175066
Meat is expensive and unhealthy in large quantities.

>>12175080

1. PEANUT BUTTER IS NOT EQUIVALENT WITH PEANUTS.

2. PEANUT BUTTER IS NOT AN ESSENTIAL FOOD.

>>12175089

ONE CAN GET ALL ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS FROM A VEGAN DIET.

>>12175122
>Meat is expensive

depends where you live

>and unhealthy in large quantities

this is wrong. try not to post anything about nutrition for the rest of the day :^)!

>>12175132
>ONE CAN GET ALL ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS FROM A VEGAN DIET.

*******besides vitamin b12

no, after a decade your spirulina does not work. you will be deficient and reliant on b12 shots.

faggot.

>>12174883
I usually just belt up the pants that are getting big and then wear a bug comfy sweater or a tunic that covers anything terrible happening. Though I guess this won't work if you're downsizing a lot.

>>12175135
Most animal studies show adverse health effects with high-fat, high protein diets.

>>12175132
I'm afraid you didn't answer my question. I'll put it more directly.

Is there or is there not a difference in the quality of protein available in animal products as opposed to legumes?

>>12175156
that's nice sweetheart

>>12175135
>try not to post anything about nutrition for the rest of the day :^)!

:^)

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>>12175154
Big comfy sweater* forgive me, here's some cute thinspo with a sweater

>>12175159
>Is there or is there not a difference in the quality of protein available in animal products as opposed to legumes?

i'll answer your question since he cannot.

yes, there is a difference. legumes lack some essential amino acids, whereas red meat has all essential amino acids.

>>12175160
I'm just going to assume you have never studied nutrition, food science or metabolism past 2nd year university if you're this ignorant.

>>12175168
your textbooks are a few decades behind nutritional science, sorry anon!

>>12175160
>>>12175135(You)
>>try not to post anything about nutrition for the rest of the day :^)!

:^)

>>12175160
*LALALA I REFUSE TO HEAR ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH MY MEME DIET BUT I HAVE NO BACKUP ARGUMENTS SO I WILL RESORT TO PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE INSULTS*

>>12175174
Textbooks are updated every couple of years.
Scientific studies are continually released throughout the year.

>>12175141

COBALAMIN CAN BE OBTAINED FROM LEGUMES, ESPECIALLY FROM LENTILS.

>>12175179
>>Textbooks are updated every couple of years.

haha

there is still an unreal amount of debate about the lipid hypothesis. please just shut the fuck up.

>>12175180
Excuse me, you still haven't answered my question on protein quality.

>>12175159
>Is there or is there not a difference in the quality of protein available in animal products as opposed to legumes?

BESIDE THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT THEY COME FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES, YES, THERE IS; VEGETABLE PROTEIN IS MORE NUTRITIONALLY PURE THAN ANIMAL PROTEIN —VEGETABLE PROTEIN IS METABOLIZED MORE EASILY, AND BETTER, THAN ANIMAL PROTEIN—; ANIMAL PROTEIN IS POLLUTED WITH "ANIMALNESS".

>>12175181
I'm not going to deny that ketogenic diets are great for some patients, especially obese people or people with fatty liver disease, but there is still strong evidence against excessive consumption of animal fat (evidence unrelated to the lipid hypothesis, I don't really believe that high cholesterol=heart disease either), as well as recent evidence suggesting that mothers who consume High fat, high protein diets have offspring with heart disease phenotypes (due to epigenetic changes).

>>12175154
>>12175163
That's actually a really good idea, thanks! I don't like belts but I do think I need one now. Tired of pulling my pants up.

66.7kg
172cm
First day of fast over
Going to try to do 10 days and hopefully I can lose 2 kg

>183 cm/6'2
>190lbs
A-am I gonna make it?
>>12175280
Get a braided belt. More flexible of when you notch it. As I have went down in size one of my belts is now far too long to use

>>12175135
excessive meat IS associated with various diseases and increases cancer risks, ketosis is good for weight loss but a meat based diet is not sustainable for either human health or the environment

>>12175295
if you try hard you can make it! believe in you anon

my wife, snufkin-chan, is cute!

i hate capslock guy as much as any of you, but he's right. there's nothing inherently worse about a vegan diet, except for the fact that you might need a few more vitamin supplements. (most) poultry, fish and eggs are obviously still good for you, but it's entirely possible to cut them out and replace them with non animal products with no problem. milk and red meat are memes and nobody really needs them unless you're bulking or something.

plus it gives you a good excuse to refuse food and cook for yourself.

>>12174361
>quetiapine

Is the reason I am currently working my way through 60 extra pounds.

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Just got called fat at 5'5 and 106 pounds. hah.

Also, I'm plateauing at 106. Been like this for a couple months now. Kill me. :)

>>12175389
Jeez, who called you fat? A cancer patient?

>>12175280
Yeah I don't much like them either as they tend to mess up the silhouette, I feel like they only work if you tuck in or have baggy clothing over. Good luck though!

>>12175378
>but it's entirely possible to cut them out and replace them with non animal products with no problem. milk and red meat are memes and nobody really needs them unless you're bulking or something.

while this is true, for people who are trying to lose and maintain their weight, it's good to keep the option for more satiating food on the table, and animal protein is a very good source of that kind of food.

no one here should think that they're better off eating a plate of brown rice rather than a slice of prime rib for reasons other than their caloric content. i personally find animal protein much, much more satiating than vegetarian sources of protein, but that might be an individual thing.

>>12174483
praying for you

>>12175401
>while this is true, for people who are trying to lose and maintain their weight, it's good to keep the option for more satiating food on the table, and animal protein is a very good source of that kind of food.

SATIATION IS NOT EQUIVALENT WITH NUTRITION; WHAT IS RELEVANT IS THE NUTRIENTS THAT CONSUMES, NOT HOW SATIATED ONE FEELS.

ANIMAL PROTEIN IS NOT A BASIC NUTRIENT, THEREFORE IT IS UNNECESSARY.

>no one here should think that they're better off eating a plate of brown rice rather than a slice of prime rib for reasons other than their caloric content.

ANYONE WOULD BE BETTER BY EATING BROWN RICE OVER A PORTION OF FLESH; RICE IS A BASIC FOOD; FLESH IS NOT.

>i personally find animal protein much, much more satiating than vegetarian sources of protein, but that might be an individual thing.

YOUR INFERENCE IS ACCURATE; YOU PREFER (NOT NEED) ANIMAL PROTEIN BECAUSE YOU ARE FOLLOWING YOUR NONARYAN TENDENCIES.

>>12175422
>... WHAT IS RELEVANT IS THE NUTRIENTS THAT [ONE] CONSUMES...

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>>12175422
go away

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>>12175156
No, animal studies have shown the opposite. They show high carb diets make rats fat. They also show that feeding rats high carb diets versus high fat diets, the high fat diet rats live 20% longer.

>>12175322
Actually cancer requires glucose to spread, so there is a lot of evidence that no carb diets are good for starving off cancer cells. Fasting accomplishes this easier, but keto diets are about 70% as effective at doing so.

Like the other anon said, I think you should take a break from posting about nutrition for today.

>>12175450

IF YOU NEED TO STAVE OFF CANCER CELLS, THERE IS ALREADY SOMETHING WRONG WITH HEALTH.

THINK BEFORE POSTING.

>>12175422
>Aryan
opinon discarded

>>12175450
its not either or, a balanced diet is the best, preferably tailored to your ethnicity, trends like high carb high fat high protein cycles through every few years or so, when it comes down to it everything should be in moderation

>>12175482
I'd agree that it is all about balance and what works for you, but constant carb feeding is one of the main reasons the west, and even the east, is fucking huge.

We have a serious worldwide obesity problem, and a lot of it comes from the over abundance of carbs and frequent feedings.

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why hasn't this vegan nazi spammer been banned yet

>>12175520
Why would he be banned? What exactly is he spamming? Fuck off.

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Instead of arguing, can we post thinspo pics instead?

>>12174598
shrink em

>>12174598
you can't afford a shit tier $20 pair of jeans from forever 21 or target?

learn how to budget your money

>>12175611
fine, you start

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Do you think is possible to drop 2-3 jean sizes in a month?

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>>12175653
I've been posting...

>>12175678
posting ugly girls m8

step it up

>>12173929
It used to take me hours to fall asleep
So for the past few years or so I've resorted to reading, browsing, watching videos/movies, and most commonly listening to audiobooks/podcast till I pass out. More recently I've been Drinking a zzzquill cocktail of some sort to just help me calm down. It fucking sucks so hard to only be able to sleep 5 hours at a time
It's not like I don't like sleep it's just I guess my body doesn't want it

So I feel like my diet has gone to shit recently
I've still been losing weight but I think it's just muscle deterioration more than anything
I consume around 3 times the normal amount of caffeine and sugar recommended and I have no idea how to stop

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>>12174846
wait so multi grain bread is a meme?
fuck, i thought i was being healthy

also
>mfw i ate almost an entire cup of granola this morning

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Late reminder

>>12175756

COMPLEX CARBOHYDRATES —CONTAINED IN CEREALS, AND CEREALBASED FOODS— ARE THE NUTRITIONAL BASIS.

DISREGARD OPINIONS OF ANYONE CLAIMING THAT CARBOHYDRATES ARE A HEALTH HAZARD, OR NUTRITIONALLY INNOCUOUS; THEY ARE EITHER LYING, OR IGNORANT.

>>12175763
I like honey bunches of oats (with almonds of course)

>>12175777

I THINK THAT YOU IGNORE WHAT A CEREAL IS.

>>12175777
My nig

>>12175778
And if I'm feeling spicy I'll get some lucky charms :)

>>12175756
yeah it's worse for you than that white processed bread.

Anyone do bedroom workouts?
I can't afford a gym and its too hot here to work outside at those public bodyweight places. I've been doing 100 sit ups and 50 push ups within a 20-ish minute window. Half then a break, then the other half. It's not enough to make me ripped or anything but I figure its better than nothing since my lifestyle is pretty sedentary other than walking lots (because no car). I don't really need to since I'm only getting around 600 cl with IF, but I always feel better right after and my stomach arms feel a lot tighter and I figure it speeds up the process, especially if I break and have a sweet or something and feel guilty. The burn I get in my abs is a nice feeling to carry around.

>>12175676
yes if you're fat, pretty hard if you're avg size

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>>12175813
>my stomach arms

>>12175813
i wish i can do workouts at home but i live in an apartment and neighbors will complain if i do jumping jacks or something like that. How do you do so many sit ups without hurting your tailbone?

>>12175834
I have carpet and i put a blanket under my bum. I feel you though, I live in a flat too and I used to do burpies but had to cut that out because the whole building shakes. Sit ups and push ups are fine though.

>>12175813
I could get behind this

>>12175840
100 PUSH UPS!
100 SIT UPS!
10 KM RUN!
100 SQUATS!

it just occurred to me that drinking large amounts of nicotine is probably a factor in why I find it so easy to go a day without eating

>>12175381
I take quetiapine too and I don't think it's ever had any real effect on my weight

>>12175813
>>12175834
>>12175840
all i do is trampoline and my exercise 'bike' that you're able to use under a computer chair.

i do glute bridges in bed, sometimes. i can't get on the floor because it hurts my back

>>12175845
that will get you an ugly ass body. please don't ever do these

>>12175853
Drink large amounts of nicotine?

>>12175813
sounds good, add bodyweight squats, mix up the push ups (hands close, wide, and in between) and you have a really good workout

>>12175854
>my exercise 'bike' that you're able to use under a computer chair
are you worried about getting muscle thighs? i'm an idiot about this stuff and i should probably ask fit or something, but im trying to lose these thicc ass thighs of mine so i try to avoid as much leg exercise as possible.

>>12175859
they probably meant caffeine, in which case they'd be right because caffeine curbs appetite. if they mean nicotine that is fucked up

>>12175875
>are you worried about getting muscle thighs?
nope, i do low resistance. i personally do not have nasty muscle thighs and i've been pedaling for years

>>12175875
nah cycling is very low intensity, if anything itll waste your muscles away. its great for realtively low effort calorie burning as well, enjoy:)

>>12175845
lol is that from one punch man

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>>12175845

>>12175887
this. look at pro cyclists legs. do a google image of Chris Froome, he's the Tour de France champion and is a virtual skeleton. You see the 'sprint' type cyclists in the olympics with thick legs but theyre all on steroids and lifting heavy weights. normal cycling is the holy grail of thinspo imo

>>12175859
I have a liter of 100 mg/ml unflavored nicotine solution. It's intended for making vape juices but I just vape the stuff as is when I'm actually using a vape. The cartridges break too easily, though, so I just drink the stuff. It's a lot less of a rollercoaster ride w/r/t the buzz and it's far and away the cheapest way of getting a nicotine fix

>>12173836
>>12175611
>>12175619
>>12175626
who is this girl?

>>12175763
>>COMPLEX CARBOHYDRATES —CONTAINED IN CEREALS, AND CEREALBASED FOODS— ARE THE NUTRITIONAL BASIS.

you don't need carbohydrates for anything

fuck off you dumb shit

>>12175903
pretty sure thats just a staple of endurance sports where lower body mass is more efficient, marathon runners (mo farrah) have the same body type

>>12175907
you can overdose on nicotene

be careful idiot

>>12175917
>you don't need carbohydrates for anything

Lmao

>fuck off you dumb shit

O the irony

>>12175809
sarcasm?

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>>12175924
you literally do not need to consume a single carbohydrate to survive

why is /fa/ filled with so many fucking morons?

>>12175921
you can overdose on anything

I've been drinking nicotine for about a year and snorting caffeine for several years

>>12175887
>>12175892

oh thanks, there's a low resistance bicycle thing near my house i'll try use it more

>>12175934
>I've been drinking nicotine for about a year

you've been drinking 100mg/ml nicotene? the ld50 is something like 750mg-1500mg, hence why i said to be careful.

are you sure it isn't 10mg/ml? 100mg/ml is really high if it's in a vape (pg/vg) solution.

>>12175929
nope, just like with granola it was sold as a healthy option when it's really a bunch of bad crap

>>12175930
blame the entire food/diet industry. i fucking lol when people wonder why they have massive 'hunger' cravings after eating a bunch of carbs and sugar like it's the biggest mystery ever

>>12175930
sugar and too much simple carbs is def a bad idea but 'no carbs' sets an alarm bell ringning for me - ive been 'following' nutriotional trends for years and I guarantee you keto will be replaced by something else in a couple of years. 5-8 years ago people on the GI bandwagon with the same fervour and confidence in 'science, leading the way to a brighter tomorrow' and the keto'ers are now. Just be a bit sceptical or everything - even when theres graphs and science and stuff

>>12175907
vape is so fucking lame to be addicted too lmao

>>12175945
The LD50 for humans is disputed; obviously there isn't a lot of hard data on exactly how much will off a human. Regardless, it's not like I'm chugging the stuff. I use a dropper and while I don't measure all that precisely I'm probably taking about .3 ml a go and have never experienced anything worse than a passing moment of queasiness.

I don't take drugs without thoroughly researching them first. I'm not about to be the next idiot in the paper dead from putting tablespoons of caffeine into their protein shake.

>>12175968
that's why I just drink it instead ;)
also to* ;)

>>12175965
keto is just a low carb diet though, which have been around since forever

>>12175910
also does she have an instagram?

>>12175422
Sic fixation, bro. The rest of us people like to watch how we look as a hobby not an obsession.

whats a good routine for the treadmill?

>>12175992

wat

>>12175834
there are a lot of "quiet workouts" you can do, just google it.

can cold weather make you lose weight? and what "IF" is?

>>12175910
>>12175984
She is Ashe Maree and yes she does have instagram

>>12173849
y'all mof0's scare me.

just have a snack god damn.

>>12175995
lmao just run nigga

>Shivering can burn around 100 calories in 15 minutes.

damn. i fucking hate cold though

>>12175063
Height 2bqh

>>12175995
try the couch to 5k program

Stop responding to tripfags

Thinspo if you had to have a bmi of 21 for the rest of your life could you be happy?

>>12175965
I don't think you understand ketogenisis then. Keto isn't a healthy diet it's just a diet that helps target fat rather than muscle.

It's basically taking advantage of one of your bodies defences against starvation to starve yourself in a more targeted fashion.

>>12175845
I don't want to lose my hair!

>>12176241
that's the bmi of most healthy female teens. 18.5 or bust

Just went two days without eating then binged on a personal pizza and two PBJs. Should I purge?

>>12176290
no retard just go do some excercise and do better tomorrow

>>12176241
I have that bmi and I'd honestly rather just die right here right now

Are shirataki noodles /thinspo/ approved? Looking for low calorie foods that are more filling.

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>>12176241
21 isn't thin fagget

>tfw I've never been above 18.7 and never will be

im a guy with 18.7 bmi should i lose more weight?

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Mentally prepping for my first 2 day fast starting tomorrow. I've done single days a few times but this just sounds so daunting, wish me luck fampai.

>>12175834
leg raises and mountain climbers
i usually do at least 30 to 40 each but that's different for everyone
slower is better
i hate sit ups

>>12176379
Her face is so unfortunate imo...I have a big nose like that and I'm very worried it'll stand out more with weight loss. Any of you lose weight and get uglier as a result?

>>12175995
intervals are way better than just running bc your body learns to use less energy if you just run in a constant rate.
30 seconds of sprinting and then 60 seconds of jogging or slow running. repeat about 4 times if you never ran before and slowly increase every other day until you get to 12
remember to stretch before and after too, tearing muscles makes them bigger
:3

I am sick of having to maintain 20 BMI

>>12176391
If you think that that is a big nose, you are either cognitively impaired, or just stupid.

>>12176391
I feel like when you're thin ugliness can seem more like uniqueness.
I feel like such a bitch for saying that- it can happen for fat/average people too but it seems to happen more often with thin people

>>12176404

nott op but thatt is a big ass nose

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Gah, been keeping IF going, but finding a way to snack maintenance levels instead of keeping to 5-600 calories like usual for a week or two now and it's driving me insane. I've just been super exhausted and stressed from work and I haven't been paying as much attention to my diet so old stress-eating habits have been coming back.

Haven't gained, but it's frustrating not eating for such a large part of the day only to blow it at the end by eating several handfuls of nuts or something

>>12176449
you need a seeing eye dog

Now 5'6 and 100 lbs. How do I maintain?

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>>12176459
...eat your TDEE? Duh

>>12174821
I'm on quetiapine, estradiol, spiro and lexapro and I haven't gained weight or had any problems besides craving salt and having some weird cravings but I haven't gained anything I've actually lost a bit

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Another 'mones popper, spiro is a diuretic so it SHOULD help lose weight, but sadly us also being on estradiol, well that doesn't help a whole lot. Sot it kinda balances out. I just got my dosage knocked up to 100mg of spiro, though, and it's not been fun having to piss every fucking hour. But I must keep frof alive

honestly, we shouldn't have any problems that most others don't have. We should be alright

>>12176474
I'm on 200mg spiro have fun ;_;

>>12176464
But since I have days when I move way less than others, I feel 1500 would be too much...

>>12176481
Just eat it and keep an eye on your weight? You'll be able to tell if you are eating too much, plus your TDEE should take activity level into account anyway.

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>>12176478
I'll probably end up staying at 100mg. I don't think I'm going to get any more effects. I've been on mones off and on for five years, only recently getting an actual script though. So after 100mg it'd just be a waste for me.

>>12176481
you're going to fluctuate with weight within five lbs or so. That's fine and normal. Stop being dumb. If you gain, watch what you eat for a couple days. If you lose too much, treat yourself or sit around more, whatever. It's not rocket science

>>12173953
how am i bigger than when i was a baby then?

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>>12175281
yeah I guess you will; drink plenty of water desu
i'm 59kg 170cm and still losing 1kg/week eating one meal of 600-800kcal a day (usually 50g protein, 20g fat and 60g carbs, with few exception days)

How do I completely stop eating?

>>12176547
mindset

>>12176541
thats almost me
>58kg 177cm
Doing pretty much the same thing atm, one meal a day between 5-7pm, about 600 calories.

Not sure how long i can keep it up though. Kind of scared it will have a negative impact on my health.

I've lost 13 lbs so far this month. I think I will change up my eating habits a bit to get more protein since I've mostly been eating soups though.

I was worried because I had a few bad days where I went out to eat and went over 3k calories, but keeping my normal days to 6-700 seems to have evened it out.

>>12176459
Take your TDEE and consider that a starting point, then increase your calories toward that TDEE slowly and see where you even out. So if you are eating 1000 calories a day and your TDEE is estimated at 1500 then add 100 calories each week until you stop losing. Take it even slower as you get higher and you'll find your actual TDEE

Then pick a weight range. So 98-102. If you weigh in over 102 reduce your calories for a week by 250 or so until you get to 100 again.

>>12176541
My goal is 50kg what is yours
I've done 10 day fasts before but I wasn't in school or working so I wonder how that will work out

>>12176582
Yeah I go over when I eat out and then eat under enough other days to keep on track. For me that's the best for a balanced social life to health setup.

Lately I've been good going out though, because doing IF I still can't eat enough to go too far over my goal calories.

>>12176541
Try lowering the carbs and upping the fat and see how you feel the next day. For me it helps a lot. Worth a try.

>>12176661
initial goal was 50kg, but now i think 56 is also good enough; not that i want to quit my diet, but maybe being that skinny won't suit; will see when it's time
IIRC two years ago i fasted for two weeks and was nice, but i wouldn't do it right now, nor to lose weight (even thou it may be a legit way)

>>12176665
i feel i can't go everyday under 60g carbs without eating just eggs, tuna, cheese and meat; i avoid food with sugar; happy that it works for you

i'm a dude anyway

>>12174161
what happen?

>>12176695
What?

>>12176728
I understand. What does being a dude have to do with it?

>>12176736
nothing, i misread another post, but doesn't really matter

>>12173849
Eat a snackbar and try to sleep.
Take antihistamine or maybe some paracetamol (it eases my pain)

>>12176761
Antihistamines tend to fuck with your appetite though

That said it wouldn't hurt to try I guess

>>12175650
Those jeans stretch out within 2-3 weeks. I stopped buying them.
They don't have Target where I live.
I used to buy jeans at Joe Fresh but they are so vanity sized the 0 and 00 are starting to be baggy on me.

Also I only earn 20 000$ a year, and I rather travel home more often or buy more fresh food than purchase extra clothes.

>>12176728
I was 57kg 3 months ago and wasn't happy
Good luck

I'm sure keto is the future of human evolution or whatever that one anon keeps shilling, but keto fatties on social media have been my reverse thinspo forever. They look fucking hilarious thinking the only way to stop their massive body from ballooning further is by dissolving a stick of butter in their morning coffee and wrapping everything in bacon

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>>12173836
Does anyone know how many calories are in a small plate of homemade vegetable lomein??? I know this is kinda stupid, but my boyfriend made some for lunch (he's so proud of it too), and I'm terrified it'll ruin my diet (already down five lbs woo). What do? I'd feel awful turning it down. If I eat just a small portion and eat lightly for the rest of the day..will it ruin my progress? I've been restricting from 800-1200 for about two weeks now.

>>12177066
When I'm in that situation I just tell my bf I'm not hungry and ask if we can share a plate, and try to make it seem like I'm eating as much as him but only actually take a few small bites. It hasn't impaired my weight loss so far.

>>12177072
Hmm doesn't sound like a bad plan! I'll give that a try. Thanks anon

>>12175450
LMAO it doesnt work like that. You can't starve cancer cells without literally killing yourself.

>>12177050
I was just ranting about that to a friend. They think "low carb" is good for them, but don't understand that they actually have to be following a keto diet for it to actually be of any benefit.

>>12173873
mirin'

>>12175450
yea u can totally starve the moles off ur ass retard lmao

The more i lose the hungrier i get.
I guess the hungry skelly meme is real.

How do you guys balance eating enough to avoid a foggy mind while at school during the day but also to avoid an angry rumbly stomach keeping you from sleep at night?

>>12177181
sleeping aids. i'm trying melatonin now but i used benadryl for a while since that's what i had on hand and it worked pretty well, though if you don't go to bed right away you feel like you're going to die.

coffee usually helps get me through 2 hours of class or so in the morning but i end up skipping all the time anyway. and i try do homework right after eating if possible, but sometimes you just have to power through it, or get a snack and then work it off the next day.

How 2 deal with not-straight legs+skinny pants? IMO it looks terribad, but does it?

>>12177226
Same issue so I wear flare jeans which make it less obvious

>>12177231
t. guy

>>12177219
Not the person you replied to but how are you liking melatonin? I have a lot of trouble sleeping regardless of how much I eat

>>12177226
as in they curve inward a little? i think it looks good. just wear looser pants if you don't like it

>>12177235
Nah I'm a girl

>>12173849
why the fuck do you fast ? its not even an efficient way to lose wieght and its harming you

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>>12177280
>mealcucks are this retarded

How many grams of sugar should I target if I eat 1700 calories per day?

I'm not on keto but want to keep sugar in check. I get it from healthy sources as much as possible when I do, although sometimes I'll have some turkey jerky or something and I noticed they add like 5g of sugar per serving sometimes..

>>12177303
quality post, faggot

How do I avoid feeling like I want to die after I eat for the day? I'm still eating below my budget but doing it all at once just makes me want to throw up afterwards. It's really gross and it makes my stomach hurt.

>>12177303
lol

<3

>>12177307
>grams of sugar
>target

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I've been using Lose It! to track calories. It also has a feature that counts what percentage of your diet is what kind of macronutrients. Should I be paying attention to that? I've been thinking I ought to be eating more protein, but even on the best days when I'm eating a lot of yogurt and shit it doesn't usually get much higher than 40%.

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>>12177311
When you first get used to IF, you are very hungry when your meal window arrives. You quickly realize your stomach has "shrunk" a bit and you need to use restraint when eating that first meal, which has the added benefit of making you feel full easier and therefore you eat less calories (if you need to eat more, then expand your eating window). After about two weeks, in my case, I didn't feel as hungry when my eating window arrived. It now feels how you did before mealtime as a mealcuck - just normal hunger.

>>12177334
I haven't eaten anything in almost two days and I noticed my face is clearing up and looking more attractive, now i'm afraid of eating anything.

>>12175978
I don't believe you. Prove it with pics

Does it work to only exercise during weekends? I don't have much time during workdays.

>>12177478
This is a vague and shitty question. Exercise always ""works"" but you won't be accomplishing much by going for 2 days. And what is ""working""? Burning calories? Yeah, a little. Building muscle? Only 2 days and assumedly on a caloric deficit? No. Maintaining some muscle? Hardly, and only if you're lifting.

>>12177331
40% sounds like too much actually unless you eat like 300 kcal a day
You should count protein in grams not % of kcal consumed, not sure if lose it has that option

>>12177478
If you can't do it otherwise it's still better than no exercise

>>12177415
You'll be okay to eat again. But be gentle on your body when you initially break that fast.

> I noticed my face is clearing up and looking more attractive
Yes, this is a result of autophagy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2990190/

I think occasional multi-day fasts are worthwhile for this reason. During the holidays I was able to maintain weight will still eating like a KING, but since I did eat more junk than usual I did a three day fast after. I'll probably do those twice a year or so.

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Bump limit reached.

>>12177241
I stopped using melatonin cuz it gives me nightmares or restless sleep

>>12173873
God like calves. Get bell bottoms.

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pics of what