Which is superior?

>>1227393
One-Way

Robertson and Allen

>>1227393
JIS

If you're talking which one would I rather see right this second, I guess Torx. The problem with all the meme ones is they may have superior characteristics but I don't have a set of bits that go with them so I'd have to go drive around trying to find some fucking bit when I just want to finish my project.

Fuck flathead screws btw.

Phillips

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>2017
>not using spanner head

Depends on the application

>>1227393
Phillips.
>>1227425
>Allen
>strips if slips out while twisting, which it does
Allen is utterly shit. I was repairing a bedframe and replaced all the allen screws with woodscrews. A few stripped just in the process of removing.

flat, because I can use a fucking butterknife and the head won't strip.

one-way looks like the least likely to strip.

anything but flathead desu.

>>1227474
One way slips more than flat heads

>>1227393
Torx no doubt, easy as fuck to get the bit in and rarely slips/strips and the bits are everywhere these days

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Phillips.

HEX SOCKET

Robertson you double negroes

When I was a young child my father had a screwdriver he brought home from work, and he called his magic screwdriver. It was obviously a flathead in a previous life, but he had filed the end into something new altogether, a driver that he claimed would turn ANY screw. I am currently 24 years old and I'm yet to find a screw this driver can't handle, no matter the shape, or the amount of stripping. I genuinely believe this screwdriver can never be replicated, not by any other man, or machine, one driver to rule them all. I know where it lives even to this day, in my dad's "various useful junk" drawer, in his kitchen, waiting for the next challenge, maybe even an old rusty allen bolt, who knows.

I love my father, but sometimes I sit up at night, wondering how much longer I have to wait. When I will get the call or the letter, informing me that I can finally claim what is mine, my birthright, and destiny. The greatest screwdriver that has ever been, and ever will be.

>>1227508
>>1227393
I sometimes wonder, what's the gain in trolling and sliding threads in /diy/? We have this exact same thread every other week.

>>1227509
because we are the kind of faggots who have favorite bolts and want to talk about them. but aside from last week we havent had a good fastner thread in a while

>>1227509
Follow the money. The market value of 4chan rests on the number of posts. How do you generate replies? Observe the pattern.

>>1227393
For which task?

You.. You're not so stupid as to assume that all of these are interchangeable, and some designs exist for specific reasons, are you?

>>1227510
When you are using "we" you mean yourself. I usually just skim trough these threads as they are all the same but sometimes, very rarely, I stop to reply.

>>1227495
thats a pozidrive you fuckhead

>>1227507
Robertson is great provided you don't use the wrong size. Not as forgiving as Phillips.

>>1227393
Pentalobular.

I mean its used in macs innit? ==> Must be the best.

:)

Why would anyone use the double hex? It looks more like "guaranteed to strip".

>>1227393
flat is life
reminds me of our planet

robertson for power tools
flat head for hand tools

>>1227393

Internal/external hex and torx are fine. Never used square, but seems fine too. Flat is a bit annoying when your head slips out. I don't see the point of the others desu.

Pozi is a cancer on this earth.

PHILLIPS HEAD FLATHEAD SCREWDRIVER

I prefer flat-head for the olde aesthetic, hex/Allen for the machine aesthetic when I can get it in the size needed, and Phillips for everything else because it's what they sell at the stores and I've got a damn good Phillips driver.

>>1227393
My job involve clamping 30mm steel plate together so Allen and Hex

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>>1227393
MOTHER
FUCKING
TRIPLE
SQUARE

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>>1227393
Allen.

Robertson is for Canadians.

>>1227632
>changing out transmission oil on an old Porsche
>some retarded ass drain bolt
>turns out its a triple square security bit, $30 shipped
>later search about the transmission
>turns out its an Audi unit
Fucking Audi, I hate them so much

>>1227650
At least you have a fucking drain bolt. On my Jeep I have the drop the pan with it full of fluid. Huge fucking mess.

>>1227462
Spanner head is a shit.

>t. cemetery worker

>>1227650
Let me guess, 986 Boxster 5-speed?

Anything that is not a Flat or a Phillips. (Or anything that that looks like them)

>>1227669
ding ding ding

>>1227560
What's wrong with pozidriv? Doesn't cam out as easily as Philips

>>1227495
>doesn't even know what a phillips head looks like
typical homo who doesn't realize torx is superior to all

>>1227532
yeah i obviously mean myself along with all the other faggots in a thread thats basically /diy/ version of waifu threads
but i do fucking love threaded fasteners

>>1227393
Anyone who says anything other than robertson/square is straight up retarded.

/thread

>>1227707
That was the joke. A while ago there was a thread where some guy posted a picture of a Phillips screw and asked "what driver would you use" and some guy said "Phillips" with a picture of a Pozidriv driver; rage ensued. I'm also >>1225750 too, so you'd better keep me away from those Torx because a flathead+cutoff wheel is my substitute for all the drivers I don't have.

The more sides the more traction, circles have infinite sides, a circle would be best

>>1228058
Not quite. I'd classify fasteners with a factor: Force/(Area*Torque), or how much force gets put across the internal area of the screw when you put so much torque. The lower the surface area the force is spread across less area and causes more stress, and the lower the radius, the more force has to be applied to the same area to get the same torque. It would also incorporate the sine/cosine of the angle of the face relative to the radial direction, and would have to be an integral to incorporate the changing ratio with respect to the angle.

>>1227495
^bait

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More complete version.

How are security heads ``secure'' when all you have to do is take a drill to the knob?

>>1227469
>>strips if slips out while twisting, which it does
how limp wristed are you?
Ive sheared heads off, twisted allen wrenches, and sheared the head off a multi head driver bit, but never stripped a head.
All it takes is a little push in as you twist

>>1227393
Robertson. All day, every day.

i like a hex or torx. kinda like flat heads too

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how bout the douchebags that decided to use these in a Jaguar

>>1228473
its harder to do so stealthily

security screws are more for bathroom stalls and display cases where the goal is to stop vandalism

torx and the like are used more often for stuff like electronics to make sure only a Real Nigga works on it, but it's not like the thing is meant to never ever be opened

anyway robertson master race, second only to just using a fucking bolt

>>1228476
sounds like your drivers were just shittier than the screws you were driving

ive had both happen, it depends on the quality of either

>>1227393
>Which is superior?
Robertson or get the fuck away.

What about tri wing and one way? Never used them personally but they look pretty good.

>>1228566
Tri-wing is kinda neat, one-way can go fuck itself.

Flat if you plan to disassemble.Something retarded if you dont,like pentalobular.

>>1227393
I think double hex, bristol, or spline simply because of the amount of grip they would have on the head. Which usually means you don't need to apply as much forch to keep your bit in said fastener

>>1228662
>I think double hex, bristol, or spline simply because of the amount of grip they would have on the head.

Look at double hex again, and admit that you've never worked on anything that wasn't made of plastic.

>>1228664
What do you mean? Yeah double hex strips out kind of easy but that's usually due to the bolt being stuck. And what do you mean by ice only worked on plastic? I generally use the normal materials you'd build a house with.

>>1227577
My job involves receiving and distributing blood samples in a hospital laboratory so Robertson

>>1227393
robertson and torx

I would be pretty content if every screw on this planet was torx and every bolt was hex.

I really dislike hex sockets because they strip like shit when overtorqued. Especially the small ones.

>>1227508

cnc machine a copy and patent it

I met a guy at work who retired at 20-something and lived off the money he gets from some tools he patented

>>1227468
Ok then under what circumstances would you prefer one vs another?

>>1227525

Where do I get me some 'o that trollin' gold?

>>1227393

I like my fasteners the way I like me chick's tits...

Allen.

>>1228678
>>1228662

Torx and new torx were optimized mathematically to optimize the torque transfer. Hence the name. After a while, adding splines doesn't help.

My only issue with bits other than Phillips or flathead is that if you use the wrong driver they get fucked up. I'd rather limit the sizes and standardize such that each step is about 3x the diameter of the next smaller one. This way your driver's either work or they don't.

>>1228699
What about nuts and bolts using inverse torx?

>>1229513
I like my fasteners the way I like me chick's tits...

Flat

ftfy

>>1229522
>splines

Reticulating splines.

>>1227632
Waita
What
I..um..

Id better leave..

>>1227393
Simple shapes are better. Slots for versatility, hex for things that will be grabbed by wrenches, and squares for stable insertion. The more complicated they are, the more likely they are to fail and the less likely you are to be able to do anything without having a special tool. Unless you want security by requiring a special tool.

I'm surprised there's no slot with closed edges in the list.

>>1228473
You just explained how they're secure.

>>1229575
Porn tips guzz ardo

>>1227393
As a Canadian, I must say square.

Square Phillips best girl. Only seen then on deck screws, but they have never stripped on me once ever.

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I'm a window fitter and classes and I only ever use philips polo and hex and find the hex to be the best because we always seem to use self tappers and never bother throwing in a clearance hole so I find they go In easier

>>1229087
getting a patent isn't cheap

Robertson is God

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>>1229840

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>>1229841

>>1229840

some of those can't possibly work as normal bolts, but then I don't read european.

>>1229845
>some of those can't possibly work as normal bolts
You don't say?

>>1229845
They all work actually, but with very niche uses

>>1229841
>One way ratchet effect bolt
That's fucking brilliant

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>>1227393

>>1229623
>slot with closed edges
They exist?

>>1230006
yeah theyre more common than slotted that go end to end actually, at least from what ive seen

>>1230008
The only slotted screws I've seen are in my dad's jars of old screws, I never see them at my small local hardware stores. Just >>1229908 and phillips, usually.

>>1227393
the one I have a screw driver witt me. Because it seems I never have the right one

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>>1227473
>>1227554

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>>1227425
>>1227507
>>1227547
>>1227559
>>1227910
>>1228525

>>1227495
Gr8 b8 m8, r8 8/8

>>1229887
the future of nord lock washers

>>1227393

Security Torx

>>1227551
Because the corners are actually the only points of contact in 6/12 points.

>>1227393
Flat. You'll literally never strip it, and you also don't need some new bullshit screwdriver tip to turn it.

All other screws are corporate conspiracies to make you buy bullshit screwdriver heads.

Torx

I like how it sounds

Torx, because it triggers the /pol/

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>>1230974
>Flat. You'll literally never strip it

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>>1230967
>Because the corners are actually the only points of contact in 6/12 points.

Right. a 12 point tool with a 12 point fastener will out-perform a six point tool with a six point fastener. The highly-rated ARP automotive fasteners tend to be 12 point.

>>1230994
He's not wrong.

Twist or chip it, and all you have to do is grind it back down.

This is why robertson and flat are master race; they are trivially easy to fix the drivers. And the screws for flat or phillips can just be re-cut if stripped.

>>1227469
>heavily implying Phillips isn't the grandmaster of stripping

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>>1231192

once one of these pieces of shit gets stripped it's ruined. I'll gladly pay you to take every flathead screw in my possession if you will replace them with real screws.

it's just too damn easy to strip flatheads. and drivers suck unless you use a sleeve to keep the bit from going out one end.

>>1231204
Care to share a picture of a stripped flathead screw? The drivers slip out annoyingly easily, but I've never managed to strip one. They're physically more robust than a hex or allen screw, assuming you don't put enough torque on the driver to bend the two sides of the slot away from one another, in which case you're putting an order of magnitude too much torque on the thing, or it's made of cheese-grade steel.

>>1231220
>but I've never managed to strip one

half the time they are already buggered up by someone else. flatheads and phillips are too easy to fuck up. You almost never see a fucked up torx or allen because if the tool is in good shape it does not have any tendency to cam out, unlike phillips and flat.

and if you need photographic proof that flatheads can be buggered up then lurk more until you are at least 15.

>>1231223
I was thinking more along the lines of chowdered to fuck, but I guess they don't need much more than a slight angle on the groove to let the driver itself slip. Like is common with Phillips, it sounds like this problem is caused by using drivers aggressively, from a bad angle, and with improper size bit. That's what all you morons get for falling back on their cordless hammer drill for driving purposes, if you cared about your craft you'd be using your hand to figure out the right amount of torque, not some arbitrary plastic dial on your drill. If you're using fasteners on anything that requires enough torque to even consider using an electric or pneumatic driver over your hand, you've already lost if you're using them with Phillips or flathead screws.

>>1231226

I think we are simply from different backgrounds. I work on things like cars and houses where flathead screws either don't exist or they are invariably already fucked up. There's a reason that you never see flathead screws on modern cars or being used to build a deck, and using a power tool is not a sin in my world.

What do you work on?

>>1231227
Woodworker, typically small aesthetic things like boxes. I occasionally use thin aluminium sheet when thin plywood isn't appropriate, and that stuff also gets malformed if I tighten a screw too much without a stupidly large washer. Whenever I use screws instead of dowels they have to look the part, so no fancy fasteners making it look like a cellphone or engine. I guess the main difference between us is that if you over-torque a fastener you remove the damaged screw, but if I over-torque a fastener I have to repair the workpiece itself. If I saw a flathead used on a load bearing element on a project car then I'd send it to the museum or a scrapyard.

>>1231228
>Woodworker, typically small aesthetic things like boxes.

Then I understand your feelings about power tools and using the proper flat head screwdriver. You probably never encounter a screw that is rusted and requires a lot of torque to remove it, so I suppose you can always deal with flat head screws without pain and agony.

Brass flat head screws that have not been abused look wonderful to me, and I occasionally use them in small wooden projects.

>>1231227
not that guy (im actually >>1230088 ) but ive seen them most in small, cheap consumer electronics. usually shit you get at the dollar store

robertson master race for woodworking though, preferably powder coated too

phillips for shit that holds plastic parts together like electronics or w/e. its also a best for anything intended as an adjustment screw

bolt for anything that's to hold big structural parts together or that needs to be rock solid forever until you undo it but gotta get undone easy, like gun scopes or girders

>>1231230
>Brass flat head screws that have not been abused look wonderful to me
Brother...

>>1231232
...

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>tfw rabbi only lets you use kosher

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>>1231232
>im actually >>1230088 (You)
Might you desist?

>>1231237
shit im sorry i misclicked I meant >>1230008

ive been listening to DMX again, it rots the brain

>>1227393
Robertson Square head
/thread

Flat and philips are nice for screws that are in hard to reach places where you can only hold the screwdriver at an angle.

>>1228684
>My job involves receiving [...] blood samples
Are you a refrigerator or a laboratory rat?

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>>1231266
>Flat and philips are nice for screws that are in hard to reach places where you can only hold the screwdriver at an angle.

if they are tight at all then forget it. pic related can work where almost no flathead can, and you can grind them even shorter.

I'm starting to think that this discussion borders on a religion for some of us, and the most religious are the ones who never crawl under an old vehicle with a bunch of tools.

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>>1231266
>>1231276
great at angles

>>1227469
This is a matter of physics. The farther it is from the center and the more perpendicular it is to the movement, the better it is.

Based on that and without ever using any besides phillips and flat, i would say the best ones are bristol, phillips and pozidrive. One way and flat is the same shit, maybe one way a little better

>>1227462
Spanner head is the same as flat but way shittier cause you only have 2 singular contact point instead of a full surface from one end to the other.

You guys over here are really dumb at understanding basic physics arent you?

>>1231276
I once shore one of those straight apart on a stuck bolt

allen keys suck

if you need enough torque that it breaks the tool before stripping the screw, just use a fucking power tool

>>1231281
that sounds like its impossible to not have slip

>>1231286
>that sounds like its impossible to not have slip
it's surprising how well it works

>>1231286
>allen keys suck
>if you need enough torque that it breaks the tool before stripping the screw, just use a fucking power tool
nothing to do with the bolt head you fucking retard

ITT: retards who have only worked on pinterest tier diy memes

allen is the one and only true fastener
hex head comes close

>>1231810
Robertson is also fairly good, I think, but a little too proprietary if you're not in Canada. Allen is probably the best looking in any case.

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>>1231286
don't use the fucking ball end to break it loose, itll break off

ball end is for convenience when youre unscrewing it with shit in your way all around it (every time you unscrew something ever)

shitting on allen wrenches is full fucking retard, socket head cap screws are wonderful things (hex)

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>>1229908
Y'all cowards don't even smoke ComboTip

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>>1231836
>Sonderschraube mit Vorberitung für eine Notsprengung
I like this very much

>>1229908
>>1231845
50% chance you inser the screwdriver correct

>>1227508
kek

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>>1227393
Allen and hex. Torx was invented by kikes so that the goyim cant tamper with stuff.

>be me, fresh-faced 17 y.o, spending summer in Canada before college
>arrive in Toronto
>suqare screws, literal square fucking screws everywhere, just a square

what the fuck

what the FUCK

>>1227393
Torx for obvious reasons.

>>1227400

Nah

>>1227437
>Fuck flathead screws btw.
They are objectively best.

>>1231223
>X and Y strip too easily
>Z doesn't cam out and therefore strips less
WEW

>>1228381
It's missing the Japanese three wing screw, used on nintendo shit, for example.

Torx is the best for small scale.

Allen and hexagonal head are the best for big scale.

What i mean by big scakes is greater than 1/2"

>>1231826
My biggest problem with allen is that you don't just need 3 or 4 drivers, but 20 different keys for metric and imperial each.

>>1227462
>spanner
instead of stripping the screw, the screwdrivers snap off

>>1229842
>>1229841
>>1229840
German bantz is best banz

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>>1232555
>German bantz is best banz

well that's not true, in general

>>1229908
Deus bolt

>tearing apart an old camper
>used Robertson for pretty much everything
> only had problems when the cheap bit started to round off
>used a new one and 99% of the screws came out no problem, even some that were mostly rust

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>>1227393
>no combo tip
wasted thread

>>1231285
Spanner heads suck, but flatheads are also uniquely bad because they don't center and slide out if you aren't holding on to the screw.

>>1233013
results would be extremely similar for using allen, except when you want to turn something by hand you don't need a full 90 degree rotation to engage the wrench to the socket

>>1231281
Oh fuck, those ball end allens are the biggest pile of shit.

>>1227393
Can someone explain to me why pozidrive and Phillips both exist ? Is it related to Judaism?

>>1233162
Phillips was invented to solve some of the problems with slotted screws and drivers (basically the need for perfect alignment to avoid slipping and cam out), then Pozidriv was invented to allow higher torque.

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>>1231969
robertson is love, robertson is life

>tfw driving robertson deck screws with an impact driver
feels good man

Where do I buy pentalobe drivers? I want to clean out my laptop's keyboard but it doesn't work with the standard star-of-davidrivers.

>>1229523
But then you couldn't use a wrench

>>1233286
They make External Torx wrenches. They're just not as convenient as open-end wrenches.

>>1227462

Fffff, we use those as security screws for exhibit cases at a museum I work at and the number of bits I've broken EVEN WHILE BEING CAREFUL is rediculous.

>>1227393
whichever one is less likely to be stripped

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What about these?

Phillips if the metal it's made from is actually strong enough. Otherwise, torx

>>1229840
I've actually seen a telescopic screw before. In a vaporizer head. You know, those fancy electronic cigarettes.
Squonk drip atomizer of some sort. Just as stupid as that sounds.

It had two of those grey parts against each other, with a rubber seal between them.
The entire inner section was an open hex shape. To let e-liquid through, pumped from below.

Not a smart design by any means. The maker was probably just being a clever ass about it, since making that shit is a hobby.

>>1234577
what the
how does it even

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>>1234743
they are the most fucked fastener ever invented

>>1234743
>how does it even
my exact thoughts, but then I looked it up:

"At first glance, the oval pan looks circular, similar to a regular stud or rivet, however this deceptive fixing actually has an oval head which enables it to be fastened and removed only with the matching tool."

I like torx cause it can do a few of the other ones too

Anyone here ever used Bristol? Looking at it, I'd guess it's borderline impossible to strip, but a massive pain in the ass to get onto a driver bit.

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>>1227393

Tamper-Resistant Flat Head Drilling Screws

Also, This is McMaster-Carr's website for anyone wondering.

What are the practical differences between pozidrive and Phillips? Can't you just use the same driver heads for the pair of them?

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>>1234964
The pozidriv offers a bit more torque.

You may use a philips bit on a pozidrive screw, but it may cam out.
Pozidrive bit on a philips screw does not actually fit

>>1234877
It'd probably destroy the screwdriver easily

>>1231845
mnfg when i saw them first time in shop just another way to take our money out of our pockets

Torch. Only thing that pisses me off is if I'm working on a refrigerator and and assembled it at the factory with fucking stainless steel screws. They tend to strip out and I lost them easy since they aren't magnetic. Other than that, Phillips is a close second, just because they're so fuckin easy when it comes to taking things apart and drilling through wood.

>>1233195
ebay/ali.

>>1235064
>cheese grade steel
no thanks

>>1229511
brass-flathead

>>1230284
Mexican

>>1229087
Or cast a copy from the original to make damn sure you got it right.

>>1229842
I've seen the twin bolt before, actually two bolts welded together. I don't remember what the purpose was, but it did have one in my boss's strange mind.

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Objectively superior

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>>1235669
You have to go back cuckxican

>>1235243
>I need a high quality tool to take these tiny screws out of plastic and never use again
While you're shopping, I've got a bridge for sale

You have a serious problem in your brain compartment if you choose anything besides Phil or Hex.

To go further you're a retard if you use anything besides 5/16

>>1236093
>buying a tool you plan to never use again

If you need it once, and you are a diyer you will probably need it again sometime in the future.

torx is a good way to stop idiots and generate stripped screws

>>1227393
Sasuke or Madara's.

>>1231204
Stop using a drill on them retard, they arent designed for speed.

>>1236332
Or boatloads of torque since they're so shallow. They're usually reserved for woodworking probably because of this, and I think that guy works on metal, so his point of view is understandable. I sure know a flathead bolt on an engine would make me as mad as hex bolts on a bookshelf.

>>1233188
So good. Sooooo. Gooooooood.

My favorite tool I never use is a "tight spot tap" set. Literally taps that have a Robertson head so you can stick a long ass extension on with a straight bit driver.

>>1236348
flatheads are used in hygiene applications, much easier to clean than hex
still hate them

>>1232887
HAHAHA

>>1227400
Fuck you

Square and Torx