Why did the tool industry started using almost exclusively soft

>>1151326
Cheap stuff

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>>1151326
You typically get better grip and therefore better torque on those rubber handles. They don't last more than a few years of heavy use, but they're better for the hobbyist (or corporate shill). It's planned redundancy, you see. If you can get your dirty dick-beaters on a set of these, you'll be set for life as long as you don't leave your soldering iron too close to them.

>>1151342
I remember those yellow and black screwdrivers from watching my father work on his car.

>>1151326
They didn't. They started lining their robust nylon handles with soft faggy stuff to increase grip.
and because 99% will either lose or strip a screwdriver before the soft grippy stuff gets seriously damaged.

>>1151326
When I'm upside down hanging from my ankles in floor voids trying to avoid shocks from rat chewed wires and boiling hot central heating pipes while jamming far too many conductors into a connector without them all pinging out with one hand and wondering how I'm going to get rid of a disgusting cup of tea without offending anyone I'm glad of the grippy handles because of the sweat dripping down not only my fat hairy arse crack but also my hands making the old style unusable.
If I'm at my bench then sure my terminal drivers are all the traditional style.

>>1151326
just buy cheap shit and you get your hard bullshit handles

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>>1151326
god i hate transparent screw drivers, always imagine the handle burst in my hand and the metal dart to jam in my hand
pic releted had to use this shit fuck meme shit in a job some time ago - tools provided by supervisor - total retard bought tools from like supermarket or som shit - thats story fo other time
also the rubber handles bug me when they are used in oily envirement and if they are not made for it in desintegrates to gui shit
also over here they sell all kinds of haldles, never saw a shop seling exclusively soft handles(the tranparent ones are a rarity)

>>1151610

Thanks anon. I had an actual chuckle.

Rubber handle screwdrivers are electrician's screwdrivers insulating them to 1kV

>>1151684
This is not at all true unless the markings say that specifically And you know it to be a reputable, trustworthy brand.

>>1151326
Because the soft faggy rubber dissolves instantly when exposed to grease, goo, or glop, turning into a smelly blob of sticky nasty barf shit and forcing you to buy new ones.

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>>1151326
You could split the difference and get Wiha with textured nylon. Old skool plastic handles feel like shit in the hand and have less grip but they do last forever.

>>1151342
The spirit of AvE is strong here, this post is blessed

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I use screwdrivers a fair bit and I highly recommend a rachet driver when you can

Your wrists and fingers will thank me in a decade

>>1151342
When the handles wear out I just make another handle. Either out of wood or I'll cast it in aluminum. The latter is actually easier but not as safe for electronics that are ESD sensitive unless you ground it.

>>1151326
>Why did the tool industry
The free market requires/creates constant "innovation", even if most of the new features are a case of "solution in search of a problem".

>>1151731
you don't want the resistance to ground to be too low for ESD sensitive electronics

>>1151326
>Why ... soft faggy handles on screwdrivers

millennials

>>1151731
They've got a sharp knurl at the base of the shaft right? I guess that's good enough for a spot of JB-Weld or epoxy to grip? Unless you cast the aluminium around the shaft itself, in which case I wonder about whether the thermal contraction of the Al is enough to grip on to the steel and not deform. I'd like to know what shape and size of handle you make.

>>1151610
So accurate holy fuck.

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>>1151326
Cheap ass fucking shit... crastsman just sold to stanley and my sears closed down. Fucking not sure if i just bought oved priced stanly shit or if it even still has the lifetime warrenty... kill me

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>>1153146

>>1153146
It's all the same shitty shit made in third world shit holes.

>>1153114
Le german engineering

>>1153146
They're keeping the warranty for the time being, and they haven't had time to switch manufacturers.

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>>1153114
just make it entirely out of hardwearing plastic then you fucking krauts. I don't wanna pay $100 for a screwdriver set and having it start peeling 6 years later.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>1153263
They do offer all plastic, but no one buys it, so they don't even list it in their catalog, but it exists.

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>>1153272
this ones?

>>1153146
Bleh, all those screwdriver bits, allen wrenches and 12 point sockets.

>>1153290
saw them, hold them in hand in a hardware store thay had all types from wera, even ratchet bit long and short ones they are comfy the only ones with plastic only were torx and standard flat and philips ones
sadly they are expensive as fuck

>>1151684

vde screw drivers used to be all hard plastic. I even have some.

Just recently they started the soft touch stuff in line with everything else.

>>1153364
Wera is comfy as fuck, but I've heard some folks really don't like them. I'm slowly filling out sets or buying odds and ends(slotted for a small pry bar, a couple Phillips you can hit with a hammer cause there's metal on the handle, a Torx T handle for my lathe, some stainless stuff) by checking Amazon every few days for pricing errors. With the amount of different lengths/drive types/special features/handle finishes, combined with how many sellers carry them, you randomly see $15 stainless PH2 drives for $2 or shit like that.

>>1151326
The ones on the right are Wera Screwdrivers, i've got a set, they're fucking awesome man, very ergonomic, and still work when my hands get sweaty.

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>>1151618
>not buying full tang screwdrivers

you get what you deserve, if you can't use your screwdriver as a chisel or punch, you're either a woman or playing with children's toys.

>>1151326
>the robust nylon ones used before?
You mean the ones that started to rot and then emitted a stench that would never ever go away?

>>1154479
That'sCellulose Acetate Butyrate

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>>1153521
thats a nut screwdriver in my picture
i used it to replace needles in a industrial sewing machine(or any bolts that size), try to unscrew a nut on a overheated machine with that pice of junk while oil runs evrivhere(pic releted)

>>1153319
Only ever needed a 12 point socket for drive shafts. Other than that they should be melted down.

>>1151342
>you'll be set for life as long as you don't leave your soldering iron too close to them.

Anyone who actually uses screwdrivers for a living wears the tips out long before the handles
Its nice to yell planned obsolescence on every single change or innovation in the tool world, but it isnt always reality.

>>1154597
That's the nice thing about flat drivers. They are easy to resharpen.

>>1154603
Has anyone made a jig to reshape phillips screwdrivers yet? You'd make a killing.

>>1154618
Could be usefull to covert phillips into JIS for motorcycles screws

>>1151326
Faggots cant grip properly the handles. So they use that awful rubber shit.
Acetate and nylon last forever.
There are a few acetate handles that are shaped like a wankel rotor, those are super confy. And you can put a lot of torque without your hand slipping

>>1154603
Most slotted drivers are flared at the head nowadays
Not sure how you can repair damage done to them. And wouldnt grinding it down leave it weak and ruin the heat treatment of it?

>>1154655
While I'm not sure how heat treated stainless screwdrivers are, there's nothing stopping you from re-heat treating it, though for that you may have to remove the handle. It would be nice if we could get a screwdriver with a shaft that can be unscrewed from the handle, where it is held in by a hexagonal/star shaft and a screw or two.

>>1151618
>>1154572
I thought Gray tools were supposed to be pretty good? Unless that wasn't the exact one you used, in which case it was definitely shit. If it was Gray it mighta not been shit, just the wrong tool for the job.
>>1154651
Acetate a shit, it breaks down. I had old acetate. It might last long enough to become an old tool, but it's not pleasant to use at that point. Nylons fine though.
>>1154655
Just don't overheat it, grind slowly, a little at a time, and dip in water frequently. If the water doesn't steam, you're totally fine.
>>1154697
It would probably feel less sturdy, like bit holders, but not as bad.

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>>1154697
>It would be nice if we could get a screwdriver with a shaft that can be unscrewed from the handle, where it is held in by a hexagonal/star shaft and a screw or two.

Using a bit driver when possible and reserving your fixed drivers only for when they're necessary (e.g. fitting into a hole too narrow for a bit driver) will go a long way in saving your fixed drivers. After getting my Snap-on ratcheting driver, I won't even touch a fixed driver unless it's necessary.

There actually are some screwdrivers out there with easily swappable/replaceable shanks rather than bits. Wiha makes them for electronics, but I'm not sure about larger ones. I think Wera and PB Swiss also have options, and Klein recently came out with a model that takes standard drill shanks.

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>>1154697
You mean like this?

>>1151618
>god i hate transparent screw drivers, always imagine the handle burst in my hand and the metal dart to jam in my hand
You don't actually believe that might happen, right? I've used tons of transparent screwdrivers and have been quite rough with them. There's nothing wrong with transparent plastic.

>>1154766
>>1154779
Cool, thanks!

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>>1154766
Confirming Wera does, but for full shanks I can't remember if it's only insulated drivers or not.
>>1154780
Different anon, but to be fair, I'm much less comfortable with a beat up transparent driver than a regular driver. The only screwdrivers I've ever had that the handle has cracked on have been transparent, either cheap garbage ones or older Craftsman acetate ones. The cheap ones got tossed, the Craftsman ones were just chipped around the edge so they're just ugly. I'm replacing all of my fixed drivers with Wera, but the Craftsman ones will end up in a box instead of the garbage.

Smart phones are TOO smart. I started typing garbage and it started suggesting Harbor Freight.

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>>1154697
>It would be nice if we could get a screwdriver with a shaft that can be unscrewed from the handle, where it is held in by a hexagonal/star shaft and a screw or two.
>>1154766
>but I'm not sure about larger ones. I think Wera and PB Swiss also have options

can confirm PB Swiss tools makes them, I've got one of their torque limiting screwdrivers that utilize this system, but they also offer "dumb" handles
since screwdrivers experience no axial tensile force in operation you don't need any screws to keep them in place and their snap fit ballhead works just fine
this makes it much easier to change blades quickly

>>1155451
that set looks expensive. Very nice though

>>1155475
>that set looks expensive
yeah it retails for abut $200
I was really lucky and bought it for $25 at a garage sale from a young woman selling her deceased grandpa's tools
I'm kind of worried having to send it to the manufacturer for a battery replacement soon since it is the digital version
and the calibration certificate says it was made in 2007, but so far it has held up greatly

>>1155451
whats the point

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>that smell and tacky feeling when the handles start to 'melt' and break down

>>1155556
so someone can steal it from your tool pouch.

and you're left with a bunch of shanks and no handle

>>1155556
>whats the point
of what?
>interchangeable blades
same flexibility you get from bits without the bulky fitting so you can get into tight spaces
and you really don't want to spend $100+ for every size in which you need a
>torque limiting screwdriver
which allows you to tighten screws precisely and consistently
it's fundamentally the same thing as the "strength" setting on your cordless drill
I'll admit that it is not really important for /diy/ (but essential in mass manufacturing and many safety critical applications)
and I only bought this one because of the low price I found it for >>1155489
but it has proven to be useful in a few cases,
like not stripping your threads in aluminium when you are an insensitive gorilla and too cheap to use proper inserts
or when you want to evenly tension a film with multiple screws, like on the resin vat for the 3d printer I'm building atm

>>1155569
>insensitive gorilla

Teaching new technicians torque feel is pretty slow going hence the need for torque wrenches though the typical goal of using them is TORQUE MATCHING more than a very precise torque.

>>1155571
>Teaching new technicians torque feel
it's even worse when you are just a hobbyist with no professional experience and don't do it daily

>buy new faggy screwdrivers
>handles peel
>planned obsolescence

>buy clear handle screwdrivers
>they smell after time
>brake cleaner melts them like styrofoam

Screwdriver's a screwdriver as long as the bit and fastener are the same size and in good condition. There are a few exceptions to the rule, i.e. lowest tier chinesium.

>>1151704
i agree, that is how you properly imitate the canadian bumblefuck

>>1153114
holy shit, I feel like I'm buying a diamond coated hdmi cable

>>1155656
>1962+47
>not making your own screwdriver handles out of wood
shiggity diggity doo

>not inheriting your grandfather's indestructible 1940s tools

>>1155725
I'm with you anon, planes, screwdrivers, brace and bits, the list goes on. But you realize for most of the guys on here any family tools from the 40's would be their great grandfather's? We're old now, sir.

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>>1155682
Page 264.

MADE IN AMERICA with some shit metal from china, a shit plastic injection molder & mold made in china, etc

OH BUT I MISS THE GOOD OLD DAYS
the good old days are available for $1 at harbor freight my friend

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>>1155810

or, you know, just use these

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>>1155815

>>1155810
>>1155819
It is, after all, the hardest metal known to man.

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>>1151326

I exclusively use screwdriwers with wooden grips from Wiha a german brand. They are quite affordable here in Europe around 20 bucks for a 4 piece set. Full tang + hex bolt for more grip and serated tips for better torque transfer.

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>>1155830
>serated tips for better torque transfer
wut? It probably helps them stay in if they're cut sharp, like Wera's laser engraved or diamond coated tips, but it shouldn't affect torque transfer past just keeping it in place. How sharp is the engraving? The only Wiha stuff I have is a set of their double-sided bits for their 26-in-1 screwdriver, I use em with a little Wera bit ratchet at work. Heard nothing but good things about the brand, but I bought into the Wera marketing too hard, I enjoy the aesthetics.

>>1155833
They are just as sharp as the Wera tips.

>>1153411

Ive found wera tools to be some of the best ive used.

Why they get hate?

>>1155860
Oh, my bad, I just meant the grip. They're a love it or hate it thing. Wouldn't be surprised if some people don't like the marketing wank though. Here's Wiha's marketing vs Wera's.

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>>1156126
Forgot the pic.

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Today's shipments.

>>1155755
fug

>>1154597
>Anyone who actually uses screwdrivers for a living wears the tips out long before the handles
This, especially the smaller sizes.

>tfw no one in this thread knows how to dress a bit

fucking millennials buy some shit at ikea and think they're /diy/

>>1156181
Only if you're a faggot who can't in2 proper tool for the job.

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>>1156130
Got this little motherfucker, pretty much replaces all my wera screwdrivers 90% of the time.

>>1153263
how do you even have a screwdriver that long without losing it?
its not like they are expensive anyway.

I need my scope, psu and soldering iron etc. to last for 6+years, and i pay accordingly or find good old stuff that lasts.

but for a handle with a particular shape to rotate ganged cylinders, nah mate.

>>1156184
>proper tool for the job
Pozi and Philips wear and deform, there is nothing you can do against it, even torx and leaf square drive. You are probably the kind of faggot who thinks one bit will last for all of his deck construction.

>>1156193
>talking about screwdrivers, in a thread about screw drivers
>suddenly decking and 1/4" drive drill bits

If you use a screwdriver properly instead of like a ham fisted moron, your screwdrivers' driving end should never wear out.

If you're camming out you need the proper size, a drill with a proper driving bit, or a different fastener type to get the torque you desire.

I've worked in industrial maintenance. I have the same screwdriver set I bought when I started 15 years ago.

Don't get your jimmies in a bunch just because you're the fag in the shop who constantly breaks tools.
If you're doing things right, screwdrivers should never fail on you.

>>1156197
>thinks screwdriver tips behave magically different from bits

>I've worked...
Wonder why.

>>1156203
I don't remember the last time I saw a screwdriver chucked into a drill, or a bit used by hand.

The way they are designed to be used makes them different on a fundamental level you mong.

>>1156230
>The way they are designed to be used makes them different on a fundamental level you mong.

Go on and explain
If you arent camming out, you are using the correct bit and torque, then why would bits ever wear out?

How the power is applied is irrelevant under your circumstances of having the right bit that wont slip.

>>1156237
>How the power is applied is irrelevant under your circumstances of having the right bit that wont slip.

That's not at all what I proposed and you know it.

You don't run down deck screws with a hand screwdriver, which is what this thread is about.
If you're camming out with a hand driver, you are either using the wrong size (P1 vs P2) wrong bit (pozi vs phillips), or you are using the wrong tool (hand screwdriver to install deck screws).

Deck screws with drills are a whole 'nother issue, as you're talking about dynamic torque loads, power drive, and mongoloids who thing it's a great idea to run screws down until they cam out.

If you're not camming out and your bits are wearing, then you're also using the wrong size, or you need to pay attention to that clicking noise.

>>1156257
>If you're not camming out and your bits are wearing, then you're also using the wrong size, or you need to pay attention to that clicking noise.

Oh, so the other anon was right

>You are probably the kind of faggot who thinks one bit will last for all of his deck construction

Instead of whole trades like Sparkys who know exactly what sizes they work with understanding that screwdrivers are essentially wear items, you just assume they are doing something wrong because you are a fucking janitor.

>>1156266
I'm industrial maintenance, not custodial.
I fix large machinery, be it hydraulic, steam powered, electrical, or some other system.

Big insults coming from a Mexican who installs decks with all of the screw heads stripped out.

>Oh, so the other anon was right
What are you even referring to?
You seem to be implying that I'm making an argument that I'm not.
Screwdrivers=/= driver bits.
Bits wearing is acceptable, however that doesn't mean they always do when used with the correct methods.

Screwdrivers should never wear, if they do wear to the point where it affects the usability of the tool, you're doing it wrong or using the wrong tool.

>>1156305
>I fix large machinery, be it hydraulic, steam powered, electrical, or some other system.

IE "I dont use screwdrivers a whole lot" but let me tell an electrician that he is somehow using his essential tools wrong.

kek

>>1156323
5/10 for continuing while getting btfo by that other anon. I admire your persistence.

>>1156305
>Screwdrivers should never wear

If you use the same screwdriver 50-100 times a day doing terminal screws up tight as fuck, especially shitty slotted or pozi ones then yes, they do wear unless you spend twice as long autistically lining it perfectly square and doing it slowly up to just the right tightness. Why would I do that when I can just grab a new screwdriver a year or so down the line with the time I have saved?

>>1153114
It's like Springfield (tm) XDs (tm) GripZone (tm), but for tools!

>>1156323
They do
source: am one
my boss won't give me a pozidrive set because there's "practically no difference"

>>1151702
I exclusively use Wiha screwdrivers and pliers. Quality stuff. Mine are ESD safe though, which is why I pretty much had to choose them(the only ESD safe tools in my local hardware store were Wiha).

>>1156323

One trade works with fittings all day long

Another trade works with fittings sometimes

I know that the fitter is more proficient with fittings.

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>>1151326
>Thar one rubber handle screwdriver you didn't touch in years and it's handle became sticky

>>1151326
Who cares? Just hacksaw the handle off and put the head and neck in a power drill

>>1156497
Hack the handle off, mill your own handle on a lathe, metal handle with gnurling to last a lifetime, no more threads complaining about better tools being mass produced.

>>1156456
Protip: That means it's not rubber.

I've got a nice set of Draper drivers, high quality steel, a lot of sizes and bits, good durable case, it's a great set to have.


But all the screwdrivers have a full rubber sleeve around the handle

Which means if you're tightening something super-tight, which often you are, at some point the grip will just start to slip and slide around in the direction you're trying to turn

rendering the screwdriver useless

>>1156397
>they do wear unless you spend twice as long autistically lining it perfectly square and doing it slowly up to just the right tightness.
All I hear is someone who needs to gitgud.

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>>1153177
>Le german engineering

Das german engineering, bitte!

Despite being german, I really like PB swiss tools.

>>1151578
this
almost all of them have that shitty grip underneath it has fucking nothing to do with cost and shit like others say.. in fact you can still get nylon handles for cheaper almost anywhere

my screw drivers are usually fucked long before the handle breaks though.. but I use the cordless for everything now

>>1153165
not what he's talking about, dumbass.
craftsman has a life time warranty no matter what you fucking do to it and you can bring it into sears for new shit
I can throw my power tools off a fucking cliff and go get their pieces & get a new one at sears for no money

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>>1157838
It grows.

>>1157839
Whites are stainless I recon but what about the red ones?

>>1157840
https://www.kctoolco.com/wera-135997-advent-calendar-2016/
Christmas.

>>1153250
I remember hearing a quote (which I cannot find a source for right now so maybe I'm just talking out my ass) about Stanley figures the warranty would only cost them something like $5 million/year which is insignificant compared to the loss of customer goodwill if they were to not honor the warranty.

>>1151335
No,
When you use these tools every day you need soft handles on them, that would be fine if you were only a weekend warrior, but most of us guys use our tools every day.

>>1151702
This
Wiha is the thing you need

>>1151763
>millennials
Enjoy your callouses.
Work harder, not smarter....

>>1155694
What a faggot.

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>>1151326

>>1157839
>>1157838
alright, maybe i'm going to sound stupid.

Fucking.

Why.

These look like regular ass sets with fancy handles that do the same job but made you idiots spend more money than you need to. Am I missing something?

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>>1157898
I didn't overpay by overly much, stainless PH2 aside. Regular drivers are fine, but these have comfier handles, and the laser engraved tips work really well. Plus I enjoy the aesthetics. Any decent screwdriver is fine though, but nicer tools are just more enjoyable to use, and that's worth the money for me.

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>>1157935
>and the laser engraved tips work really well
Maybe not as well as their diamond coated ones, but really well nonetheless.

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>>1157839
>color coded based on blade material
>not tip style
fucking useless
is Wera the ultimate marketing meme company for weekend warriors?

>>1157937
wait

are you telling me that these aren't a meme

>>1157951
I fabricate on the fly for my job. Seems like a big scheme. I'm too utilitarian to buy into it. Just give me a driver and I'll build the thing.

>>1157961
The diamond coating and laser engraving aren't memes, but full retail price definitely has a meme tax included.
>>1157951
They have the tips written on a couple places on the body, but yeah, something more immediately visible would be be


neat. Maybe have one ring displaying blade material and the other displaying tip. Shame it would be ugly as fuck, so there's no chance Wera would go for that.

>>1158005
why would one even buy the same screwdriver in different materials and then keep them in one toolbox?

>oh today i feel like using the stainless one
>first time I'll work on that new machine better get the nice diamond tip for this special occasion

>>1158008
Garage is a mess, so it's all going in one drawer for now. Stainless are for the rare stainless screw, they won't wear off metal, insulated are for getting a bag together for my little electrical stuff later on, one of the yellows is going in that just in case, and the normal ones are for everything else.

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>>1151326
I do like the old nylon and wood handles and you can get them easily enough if you look.

For me, the best set I had was through tang with a square drive on the end like pic related: you could use a wrench on the end if you had something that was stuck or had to be screwed on really tight and it was a lot easier on the hands that way, so much so that the soft grip didn't even matter that much.

>>1157839
do I see it correctly that you got the same flathead four times?

>red normal
>grey stainless
>yellow/red insulated
>yellow/black ???

and yet you are missing some sizes completely?

looks like Hitler didn't get all German jews after all
and some of them are successfully running the Wera marketing department today

>>1156190
saw this fucker in one hardware store and they were like 20€ ...god i hate shops overprising shit
>>1157839
do you buy them by pice or how?
was thinking to star to yu tem by pice and the smaler cheaper sets first

>>1156190
>be me
>work with retards
>half of the bits are missing
>one visibly abused

>>1158112
>work
so what
bits are consumables anyways if you are using them for serious work

>>1158119
>bit bent afer first use
>serious work

>>1158124
and that's why you use $0.5 bits and not $5 screwdrivers

>>1158132
the person in question also managed to make a one-way slot screwdriver and isn't even replacing it

>>1158137
>one-way slot screwdriver
i'd pay you good money for that if it's able to remove one-way screws

>>1158138
it's only able to loosen regular slotted screws
does that count?

>>1158139
nah thanks you can keep it

>>1158037
Eh, probably. It's a decent size, and yellow and red have the whackin' bit. Gonna leave one on the rack where it's handy, one in my electrical bag. Stainless is for stainless fasteners, insulated, I don't think I have one that big that's insulated.
>>1158051
Buying ones that are priced too low on Amazon, then I'll flesh out the collection as I need them. Between automated pricing, multiple vendors, multiple sizes, and multiple finishes, sometimes they end up at 75-90% off retail.

>>1158051
>saw this fucker in one hardware store and they were like 20€ ...god i hate shops overprising shit

i got a camouflage one from tractor supply for $5

i don't agree with anon you're replying to. the fact that it's a socket and bit means it's much fatter than it should be so you can't get to tight places. in addition to it being annoying having to put your tool together before you use it.

>>1158228
it's for the 'no space above screw' kind of tight

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>>1158228
i have this ratchet meme brand one for 3€ its good for smaler stuff and for thighter screws around the house so i dont need get the tool box with big ones have it allways in my desk

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I have one of these sets :}

>>1158531
damn, that looks nice - muh OCD

klein, wera, or wiha

problem solved

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>>1158677
It's just hobbyist electronics screwdriver set from china. They're only like 9-15$ on ebay, look up
>Huijiaqi
or
>53-in-1 screwdriver

There's also a fatter ratcheting one apparently but it's probably shit plastic inside.

Also have one of pic related that I got for like $3 and change as a backup. The bits are really small.

>discussing ww1 tools in 2017

Screw your Wera Wang faggot screwdrivers. A small flat for electronics is all you ever need. Everything else you can do with a drill and bits.
The only thing you should care about on a screwdriver handle is its ability to massage your prostate, because this is 2017 and that is the only thing you should be using a screwdriver for.
Top tip, put a bumpy one in your drill for maximum butt fun.

>>1151326
>tfw no knurled stainless steel handle screwdriver set
just end it tb.h

>>1158730
>wera
>problem solved
lel. just go to AvE's festool video and see how good they perform over time.

>>1159416
>Everything else you can do with a drill and bits.
And this, /diy/kes, is why we find stripped screws on access doors and panels that require little to no tourque.

>>1159416
>drill and bits for everything

If you're going to be a faggot then you should go the whole 9 yards and use an electric screwdriver.

>>1155656
>>brake cleaner melts them like styrofoam

So don't use brake cleaner. I just wipe mine off or give a quick slosh in a bucket of gasoline. kerosense or diesel when I bulk clean my other tools.

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>>1157839

>>1159937
do we have wera shills on /diy/?

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>>1159939
No, it's just me again, more of my Amazon pricing error orders came in. I would gladly accept free product in exchange for talking about it in appropriate places, but I'd disclose it.
>>1157961

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At this point I ran out of bits because all of the screws I had handy were PH2

>>1159985
>>1159975
I refuse to believe this is legit

>>1159991
How do I make a webm on my phone?

>>1159991
>>1159992
Scratch that. Mighta ended up stripping the coating off of them while trying to do it while recording.

>>1155571
I've had many a heated arguments about the "precision" of torque wrenches and what their actual purpose is.
To me its always been that it is supposed to load a set of bolts on a mating part to a even loading.
The rule goes: (if i recall correctly)
+-45% desired torque - Torque wrench
+-15% desired torque - Extension method (micrometers)
+-5% desired torque - Extension method (ultrasonic measurements) plus heating if necessary

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>>1157096
Peanut butter swiss! My man!

>>1159985>>1159985
You have lots of tools then.

>>1155822
thats my dick

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>>1160088
I'm collecting the rainbow. Also added a Porter Cable PCCK600LB to the flock a couple days ago. 2 battery kit, brand new, $20. Can't pass that up.

>>1160145
isn't it a huge pita to manage all those different batteries and chargers?

>>1160148
They're all color coded.

>>1151335
>Wera
>cheap stuff

Yeah, no.

>>1156305
You sir, are a mong.

>>1156572
>draper
>high quality

nope

>>1160145
Good for you, anon.

>>1159985
>>1159975
Wait wait is this how much grip a diamond coated bit has???

>>1160403
Yup! First link were drywall screws, second is a brass Hillman. I think the DeWalt had a regular bit, and the two impacts had, surprise surprise, Wera's Impaktor bits. Those are my first impacts and first set of bits for them, so I can't speak to longevity on the Impaktors, but the regular bit seems to be holding up well. I've mostly stripped the coating off by being careless while trying to record for this thread, but it was very nice before that. They definitely help prevent cam-out, but once you do manage to cam-out, it wears the coating off fast, and they just become a regular nice bit.

Bottom line, I'd recommend having a pack around for stuff where the finish matters, or for use on screws that are a bit more annoying to get replacements for if they strip, but buy other much cheaper brands for driving shit-tons of screws for a deck or something. One of the usual tool sites(ToolGuyd maybe?) did a comparison a few years back of impact bits anyone could find locally, I think it came down to Milwaukee bits are shit, DeWalt was nice, but very overpriced, Kobalt was the best bang for the buck, and Makita was the longest lasting, and priced fairly well(between Kobalt and DeWalt for price per screw). Normal bits, just avoid shit brands and don't cam-out.

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>>1155810
Industrial-grade diamond really isn't expensive and is very abundant, and not to mention easy to create in the lab.

Hopefully the tool industry will just start making tools out of diamonds. Screws too. Futureproof

>>1160145
You need a pink one.

>>1160489
Does anyone make a pink one? I know I could use Ryobi for a yellow-green, Bosch's consumer line and/or Metabo for green, Makita for green-blue, and good Bosch for a dark blue. Newer Black & Decker is a great orange color too, and the old Kobalt 20v stuff could go between a blue Bosch and the current Kobalt. I think Festool is a bit less uniformly colored(can't remember, on mobile, not checking) to warrant including even if I could find one at a price worth paying, I don't remember if Fein has a cordless Li-ion drill(the B&Ds were from before this started), and I doubt I'd ever find a Hilti or Snap-On I could justify buying.

>>1160489
>>1160506
Looks like Makita is the only brand worth mentioning that has a pink drill, and it's a 10.8V mini one. Think I'll skip pink. Apollo and Pink Box both have pink drills as well, but, ehhhh. Maybe I'll try to set a price alert or something if they get clearanced on Amazon.

>>1160480
Hit a diamond with a hammer.

They are brittle.

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>>1160516
Just make the hammer out of diamond

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>>1159991
>>1159992
>>1160004
There we go. Got it recorded before, but Gfycat upload failed, figured it was a format thing, but it was just a random error I guess.

>>1160626
> gif

Why not webm?

>>1160721
Don't know how to save it from Gfycat on my phone, forgot to paste the link too. /AdorableFrankFerret

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>>1155694
>1962+47
>2009

>>1155755
>We're old now, sir
My dad was born in '49.
My grandparents were all born in the early 20s.
Do you still feel old?

>>1160506
>>1160513
Pink Box is just the name for Viper Tools' pink colored stuff. Can't vouch for the pink box drill quality but their utility knife is supposedly top-notch. I'd get it if I didn't already have an old DeWalt that I got for free.

>>1160757
>>1155755
>Mom born in mid-60s as the youngest of 4
>Her parents born in the late 1920s.
>I was born in the early 90s


It always amazes me how young other peoples' grandparents and parents usually are relative to themselves. Though I have a couple friends my same age whose parents are over 65 which is a real mindfuck.

I think /diy/ is in the running for having the most anons over middle age.