Hey /diy/ How viable is it to buy a parcel of land for <$3k

You need a permit to build a fence in a fair amount of places. So almost certainly.

Check with the the county office, breh. They'll tell you all you need to know.

>>1031063
>How viable is it to buy a parcel of land for <$3k
It will have to be someplace no one wants to live, and probably with no services on it, or otherwise the land would cost more than $3k. So either someplace thats shit or someplace that is out in the boondocks. That said, its entirely possible. Out in Oklahoma I knew a guy that was selling 30 acres of bare land for $10k. Only problem was you had to live in Oklahoma.

>and build a cabin on it?
So, land and house for under $3k? Wow. Are you, like, completely worthless or something? You can't sell your labor for a decent amount or are so irresponsible with your money that you can't save more than $3k? Thats used car money, not house and home money.

>Would I need a permit to do this?
Depends on where it is. Considering your entire budget is about what most people make in a month you'll probably only have enough money to acquire materials for a shed. You're in luck though. Most places consider a building under 120 square feet an 'outbuilding' and its not subject to permit requirements or building codes. Research the requirements where you want to live. If you can't even be bothered to build to code I doubt it will last long though. Enjoy living in a deathtrap.

As for your image its complete bullshit. Taxes aren't unjust. They are the price of not living in Somalia. That fact that you can even own land is a service provided to you by the government. The roads you use to get to it, the fire and police that keep it safe all cost money. If you can't afford to pay taxes I doubt you could afford to hire others to perform these tasks for you. If the government takes your land because your are a deadbeat its not yours anymore. If you assault an officer trying to get your trespassing ass off land that doesn't belong to you you are an idiot and should get your head beat in.

>>1031085

damn, somebody laid a truth bomb

>>1031085
>So, land and house for under $3k? Wow. Are you, like, completely worthless or something? You can't sell your labor for a decent amount or are so irresponsible with your money that you can't save more than $3k? Thats used car money, not house and home money.

Not op, but I assume he just wants to use it as a get away cabin or something by the sounds of it.

>>1031133
seems like he wants to make meth shack

OP here. Everything will be built by code. This project is for recreation. I want to build a cabin from scratch using trees from the plot. I also want to dedicate a section of the plot for growing produce.

I'm looking at this lot as a candidate right now: http://m.ebay.com/itm/1-18-acre-LOT-in-PA-near-LAKE-WALLENPAUPACK-Lakefront-Community-NJ-NY-CT-DE-FL-/351796133792?nav=SEARCH

Thoughts?

>>1031196
>trees from the plot
Doesn't sound like enough.

>>1031085
>Taxes aren't unjust.

Nigger, no.

The use of force to STEAL money from those who do not want to pay for services that they don't use is definitely unjust.

The US government will literally take you away at gunpoint, ruin your life, break apart your family, and throw you into a prison where you will sit for years if you don't "GIBE MONIES."

So don't you dare fucking sit there and tell me it isn't unjust, you piece of trash. If I wanted the services my tax dollars go to, I would pay for them at the private contractors that do the work anyways.

>>1031199
Ring ring ring, dumbass alert.

>>1031199
>services they don't use

I remember reading one of those wishy washy sympathy piece articles about a family's home that burned down.

The county or city assessed a seperate annual fee for fire services. The family called 911 when their house was on fire. The fire engine shows up and watches the house burn down because the family had refused to pay the fire service fee.

They were crying and whining because up until that moment they had decided they didnt "need" fire services so chose not to pay it. The mother bemoaned how she begged them to fight the fire and she would pay them.

If people don't want to pay taxes, I say let them. But do so without giving them the legal protections that the society they choose not to participate in has chosen to adopt at significant expense.

Don't want to pay taxes? Then don't call the police when you get beaten up or someone's breaking in. Don't go all "my constitutional rights". Don't be surprised if the hospitals refuse to treat your broken bones before receiving payment, and don't use the roads. Don't bitch and moan "poor me" when you choose not to be a participant and your house burns down. And dont cry about having your land taken away when you choose to give up the legal protections that society says you get by paying to play.

If you want to participate in society then you pay to play. Its that simple.

>>1031063
The county i live in has just a generic "construction permit". Theres no approval process, no need for submitting blueprints or even a need to tell them what you're building. You just call them and tell them you're done. Gregory or his son Steve will do an "inspection" when you're done. After 15 years of doing remodeling and construction work in the county I'm pretty certain Greg and Steve are either dead in a ditch or made up.

The city I live in has a minimum square foot requirement and a roof pitch mandate on new construction which is 1:10minimum.

My brother did an earthbag home on some property he got for back taxes paid to the county. Five years on its still the talk of this 1500 person town.

>>1031209
Wait so why did the fire department drive all the way out there just to sit and take an extended lunch break? If that family didn't pay for them to be there, who did? You? That's tax money well-spent.

>>1031216
IIRC they went to protect the nearby houses.

>>1031216
Also like 90% of the point of having a public fire department is to avoid situations where one dumb idiot's lack of preparedness doesn't end up burning down an entire city block (by stomping the fire to death while it is tiny regardless of whose house it's in).

Off-topic posters fuck off to /pol/

If OP gets the lot he can build a shed later, and tent, hammock or trailer camp before then.

Check with the county office in that county regarding permits, easements, etc. Study what those are. You have Google. You came to /diy/ because you don't know what to Google. /diy/ is bad/ Google is good. Spend more time really LEARNING how to use a search engine.

Study how to buy property because it won't fit here and I can't be arsed to type the internet.

You should be able to look up tax history and perhaps a plat map on the county GIS website. Aerial photo doesn't show what a plat map will. Visit county office, they'll print one for a few dollars.

Lot may or may not have useful diameter wood for cabin. If it does, use it. If not, add money to suit and build differently.

Budget is too small but OP should not be in a hurry and treat is as a several year project.

This COULD be a case for a "tiny house" code beater (it's really what they are for) structure. Obtain copy of local codes for study.

OPs questions are now answered. He can obtain detailed info without need for speculation. Fuck speculation, know precisely.

>>1031251
Don't forget well and septic. That can easily go ten grand.

If you don't have them then it's going to be a camping spot which is fine.

Don't get in a code pissfight. Lake waters stay clean because of code enforcement.

>>1031199
You sound like my departed grandpa.
>God dammit I ain't paying for school taxes, I'm not in school and my kids ain't either!
Your great grandkids are though. And you make like $2k of taxable income a year, you pay like nothing.
>These road taxes are bullshit! I don't want them paved, they need to just put rock roads in! Everyone goes too fast anyway and are suicidal assholes!

>>1031263
A lot of places are actually de-paving roads now. The U.S. road infrastructure is crumbling apart as we speak. Sadly, all this bickering amongst normal people like us about tax money allocation is fairly pointless since regular folks only make a small dent in the road quality, whereas corporate shipping does most of it. Oh, and they don't generally pay for it because of shitty corporate offshore tax havens. To continue along this path is harmful to business. I'm kinda excited to see how it plays out. Will a lot more people have to die on shitty roads and collapsing bridges? Will regular people continue to accept raising taxes? Will corporations chose to pay more (in some cases, any would be nice), will they treat the whole market as a slash and burn, or will people get mad enough to close the tax loopholes? We normal people don't get to not pay taxes. They'll fuck your shit up. There's some pretty ominous shit rumbling on the hill right now about tech companies footing the transportation bills for proprietary self-driving auto systems. This seems like a pretty bitter pill to me. The next 30 years could be pretty fucking weird.

>>1031547
It used to be done by gas taxes because "ship shit here pay it here no dodging fuck you" but lately the trend is to move it from gas taxes to miscellaneous, and if anybody tries to fix this they get hit with "TAXES" and "RAISING GAS PRICES" and do not get reelected so everything is fucked forever.

>>1031218
This is exactly why they went. To keep the fire from endangering neighboring properties

>>1031607
Back in the day fire service in the USA used to be either volunteers or private companies (only after 1853, it was all volunteer before that). Some fire departments were self funded (paid for by the volunteers), supported by the local community or local philanthropists (ie rich people). That was back when the bucket brigade was considered a capable way to fight a fire though.

With the private companies you paid a fee or subscription directly to these companies. If you were behind or didn't pay it they would literally come out and watch your house burn down while keeping the fire from damaging nearby subscribers. It was marketing to them. They would sometimes have a guy go around to your neighbors, bang on their doors, and point out your flaming house out saying 'that will be you' unless you pay your subscriptions. The better ones would allow the owner to subscribe while their house burned. Generally at a much higher price though.

With the raise of cities and some of the massive fires in the late 19th century the local governments started to take over the job. The volunteers and even private companies couldn't handle fighting fires in dense urban areas, and later skyscrapers, and cities wanted better fire control. Whats that? The free market couldn't solve the problem? Blasphemy, right? A fire could destroy large areas of a city (see Chicago fire of 1871), kill hundreds and leave tens of thousands homeless.

While volunteer and even private fire companies still exist they are generally only in rural areas or specialist companies.

>>1031085
>That fact that you can even own land is a service provided to you by the government.
Wow

>>1031199
I have to say I find it hilarious that an adult who is literate due to their schooling can complain over the internet created by DARPA and public universities on a discussion board about chinese cartoons delivered to the united states under trade agreements and created under the promise of intellectual property protection can complain about unjust taxes on their land that was given to it's first american owners for free probably under the homestead act after the french indian war or Louisiana purchase and feels that they do not owe their nation a debt whatsoever.

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WE ARE LIVING IN A SOCIETY HERE

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>>1032178
Before democracy caught on we had feudal states where the land was owned by a King or some other asshole. You had land because the King was feeling generous and let you use some of his for awhile. If the king wanted the land back he could damn well just take it. Might makes right. The first colonies in the US were started by the British monarch selling land to companies. How did he get this land? He fucking took it from the natives. Many of todays modern states on the east coast of the US are just the 400 year old descendants of these original company grants. Some of the boarders haven't even changed.

So lets go the other way. Lets have an anarchist state where the government, if there even is one, does fuck all. What is to stop some rich asshole from hiring some guys to fuck you in the butt and take your land? What protection do you have? Muh guns? Theres always going to be some asshole with more guns, bigger guns, etc. Hell, they could just burn your shithole down while your sleeping. No fire department to put it out. "I'll make my house out of traditional European bricks! Folded over 1000 times they are impervious to fire and last for ten thousand generations!" Right. Even a castle can be knocked down by someone with enough resources. Might makes right. If thats the kind of place you want to live give Somalia a try.

Whats that? The GOVERNMENT will protect you? The laws, the police, etc? Almost like its some kind of SERVICE that they provide in exchange for money? I'm not saying its great, but its the best we've got. As Churchill once said: Democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried.

>>1032211
If the society is moral ot wouldn't be an issue. Some rich asshole couldn't take your stuff because it's objectively wrong to steal or use coercive force and the rest of the community would stop doing business with him-- he couldn't buy food or water or sell his product, it'd be pretty bad for him.

It's also really fucking expensive to hire someone to kill people for you. The government spreads' he cost over all of us and our children nd our grand children. If one company had to pay an army of professional soldiers like 50k salary a head to 150k total cost to employ? There's no way you'd make roi on that.

>>1032218
>If the society is moral ot wouldn't be an issue.
That IF is so huge it collapsed under its own gravity and disappeared into a black hole.

>it's objectively wrong to steal or use coercive force
Agreed.

> the rest of the community would stop doing business with him-- he couldn't buy food or water or sell his product, it'd be pretty bad for him.
Haha. Are you high? How many people in this county have done bad things? You think those bankers on wall street that fucked this country 10 years ago have trouble getting someone to polish their knob, let alone buy milk? They didn't even do jail time. Fucking Ted Kennedy killed someone and he was elected to congress. You don't even want to know how many people in Hollywood, politics, sports, etc have been convicted of murder, manslaughter, rape, theft, and god knows what else.

>It's also really fucking expensive to hire someone to kill people for you.
It cases of murder for higher there have been plenty of times where the killer was paid only a few grand, sometimes only a few hundred dollars, to kill someone and they did it. With the money in my bank account I could pay for a half dozen killings and I don't make much more than minimum wage. I know a few people that could get it done Pro bono publico if there was a reason for it. Honor among thieves and all that.

>If one company had to pay an army of professional soldiers like 50k salary a head to 150k total cost to employ?
People in the Army get paid a lot less than that. And you don't have to have them on staff or anything, just have a phone number. People like Blackwater and the Pinkertons have been around a long, long time. Some of the people that fought in the revolution were mercenaries.

>>1032218
>>1032229
Oh, and if you try to pull some bullshit like "they will be caught" just remember this: Over 30% of all murders in the USA *that we know about* go unsolved. Even less than that go to trial. Even less result in a conviction at all. And even less result in a conviction for murder/manslaughter. And some of those people get off early for good behavior. In the last 34 years about a quarter of a million murders have gone unsolved.

Humans suck and even in the best of worlds you are going to find that there will be some portion of the population that are assholes because they like it and society be damned.

>>1031199
ignorant quality bait here

>>1032178
well yeah, otherwise crackhead down the way who happens to have more shotguns than you kills you and your family and declares it his land.

>>1032236
>halt, deliver to my your valuables posthaste
>how many shotguns u got
>8
>fuck I only have five ok here u go

>>1033124
>victorian era robbery

>>1031648
>While volunteer and even private fire companies still exist they are generally only in rural areas or specialist companies.

thanks a load of bullshit. Im a volunteer and career fire/medic. yea sure you can look at departments that are understaffed and underfunded as hell like detroit and say that they have issues getting everything put out. pretty much every major city and suburban area has a functional fire department that is pretty damn good at what they do. Rural is actually the hardest because you'll show up first and your next in pumper is 20min out.

>>1033272
subscription fire service is surprisingly common when you get out in the middle of nowhere.. especially places that can't seem to put a functioning local government together anyway (think west Virginia, Louisiana, and Mississippi).

>>1033272
>thanks a load of bullshit
>pretty much every major city and suburban area has a functional fire department

Which is basically what I said. The volunteers and private companies got pushed out of the cities for better run and funded municipal fire departments. Read it again and don't skip every other word this time.

>>1031196
That is a very small plot inside a "community" or something like a homeowners association crossed with a real estate speculation outfit.

There are likely big restrictions on what and how things can be built there cooked into the deed.

>>1031648
I have a walmart across the street from my house, and the city line is 4 mile away. Where I live is nowhere new rual. Our fire service is done by a volunteer FD a mile down the road. It is paid for by the community. Once a year they send out requests that everyone donate $30.

>>1033353
Near*

>>1033353
Is it in a flyover state that doesn't believe in taxes?

>>1033366
>flyover state
I hate when you dumb coastfags say this shit.
Just because we're not full of millions of punks in crowded cities doesn't mean we're any worse then you asses.
The midwest is the midbest, am I right?

>>1033366
Is Tennessee a flyover state? If you fly over, how can you enjoy the 8 civil war battlefields within 10 minutes by car?

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>>1033395
>Is Tennessee a flyover state?
Yes. If you have to ask whether you are or not then you are. If the population of your entire state is less than that of a few east coaster/west coast *cities* then you are a flyover state. Last I checked you guys only have 9 seats in the House of Representatives. You are not important. Freaking New Jersey has more people than you and everyone knows that place is a shithole. If you can't beat New Jersey is a popularity contest you got problems. And yes, only having 2% of the US population is losing the popularity contest. Hows your sister cousin doing? Consanguinity is a bitch huh.

>>1033384
The mid west, depending on the area, isn't a flyover state. Illinois, Ohio, and Michigan are important areas. If you don't live there, well. Its kind of like being Connecticut next to New York. At least you get to sit next to someone popular. Hows the corn doing this year?

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>>1034025
How's it paying for our corn subsidies?

You enjoying that corn ethanol raising the price of your gas, inflating you currency, and causing destabilization through international food crisis?

I get paid to lose money growing corn! It's fucking fantastic

>You only have 9 seats in the house
Nigga, you need to learn how this shit works.

"For example, Wyoming has 0.2% of the U.S. population but has 0.6% of the Electoral College votes for President, and 2% of the U.S. senators; while California has 12% of the population, 10% of the electoral votes, and still only 2% of the senators. To put it another way: Wyoming has 6 electoral votes and 2 senators per million voters, while California has 1.5 electoral votes and 0.06 senators per million voters. There is also a disparity in federal funding; for example, Wyoming received $7200 and California only $5600 in direct federal spending per capita in 2001."

>>1034025
How the eff does jersey have almost 3 million more people?

None the less, if the whole state were to shut down, not only would the electric grid crash, but you wouldn't be able to get the parts to bypass the state, and several car manufacturers would not have enough cars.

Also, key pumping stations for one of America's longest processed fuel pipe line are in Tennessee. As such, gas prices would spike.

>>1031085
lol Land is $1.5k/acre where I live. The most you'd need to do is install a septic field, drill a well, and add 1-2 electric poles.

Also, you're post reeks of ignorance and book learning combined, not sure how you pulled that off. Do you live in an apartment?

>>1031063
Yea, easy peasy. Spend the 3k on the land and save up for building. People do it all the time. Utilities like I listed above are all optional.

>>1031209
>The fire engine shows up and watches the house burn down because the family had refused to pay the fire service fee.

That's illegal. That is EXACTLY what the fire departments did when they were first invented. They show up and extort you to pay them and even some of them would actually start the fires in the first place.

>If you want to participate in society then you pay to play. Its that simple.

If you are 12yo, that may seem logical.

>>1032211
All governments can simply take anyone's land in their country. It is called "Eminent domain/expropriation/resumption/compulsory purchase".

>>1031063
>>>1031209
>>The fire engine shows up and watches the house burn down because the family had refused to pay the fire service fee.
>
>That's illegal. That is EXACTLY what the fire departments did when they were first invented. They show up and extort you to pay them and even some of them would actually start the fires in the first place.
>
>>If you want to participate in society then you pay to play. Its that simple.
>
>If you are 12yo, that may seem logical.

Or if you're secretly one of those cunt bankers posting on 4chan.

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>>1031085
>>1031091
>>1031202
>>1031209
>>1031263
>>1032233

"I'm fine losing 60% of my income to taxes! Really!"
"It's totally ok that I have to scrimp and save to afford a house and raise children, my money is much better spent on section 8 housing for LaTrina's 16 bastard crack babies!"
"I'm totally cool with massive military spending to fuck up brown people with funny names who live in a country I can't find on a globe! USA USA USA!"
"I don't mind at all how crooked politicians and massive corporations scratch each others' backs with money taken from my paychecks!"
"Good thing mommy government builds roads for me, nobody could possibly figure out how to do that besides the government!"

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>>1034095
98% currency devluation ftw

>>1034095
truth
Somalia has always had a government too.

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>>1034368
>Somalia has always had a government too.
Somalia is a failed state. Its been in the top 10 on the failed state index for 10 years. Its been the #1 failed state in the world for 7 of those 10 years. It has spent the last few years trading places with South Sudan but is currently 'winning.' Their government is about as effective as a prayer based contraceptives.

Upside is you can do basically whatever you want.

Downside is your neighbors can do whatever they want too.

Hell is other people.

>>1034387
It's almost like civilization isn't government, people aren't actually controlled by police or threat of law, and government is made up of the people, who only ever follow the laws they voluntarily agreed with anyway.

>>1032211
>The GOVERNMENT will protect you
No they won't. The janitors(police) will come by after the fact and take a report. You, however , will be just as dead as if there were no government.

>>1031547
>they don't generally pay for it because they pass all expenses(including taxes) on to the consumer.
FTFY

>>1034095
>nobody could possibly figure out how to do that besides the government!
The government doesn't build roads. It takes your money to pay a corporation to build roads.

>>1034060
where is this? Nunavut doesn't count

>>1032229
>Some of the people that fought in the revolution were mercenaries
And privately run military services are inherently more efficient because they have to be.
If you've ever been in the military you know how inefficient it is.

>>1034025
>You are not important.
I'll admit we don't have as many niggers.
There's a reason we moved here.
Somehow we still soldier on.

>>1034025
Indianapolis is known worldwide for our Indy 500.
Chicongo is known worldwide for crime.
Now which is the important area?

>>1034064
>If you are 12yo, that may seem logical.
How is that not logical, you dumb hippie?

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>>1034563
Milton is right, of course. A private market for roads would fail (not allocate resources efficiently) due to do the externalities involved shifting private demand well away from what is economically optimal (fewer roads would be built, and to lesser standards, impairing economic activity beyond the cost of building more roads due to more difficult transportation). So to take care of services with large positive externalities like national defense, law enforcement, roads and other community infrastructure, etc. societies form governments that pool and direct resources in ways that private markets don't do very well. Often, this takes the form of hiring a private company to build something, since construction is something that private companies can do well.

>>1031196
The fact that there are no pics of the actual plot should be a red flag. I used to live on a TVA lake, and I can tell you, the only reason anything even a quarter mile from lakefront would be cheap, is because no one wants it. For all you know, it's an acre of nothing but steep hills, making it impossible to build.

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>>1034575
>A private market for food would fail (not allocate resources efficiently) due to do the externalities involved
>A private market for electronics would fail (not allocate resources efficiently) due to do the externalities involved
>A private market for housing would fail (not allocate resources efficiently) due to do the externalities involved

>>1034575
Okay granting you people actually want roads and normal for-profit enterprise isn't good for that....

Just. Why all of a sudden are the people that are smart enough to elect a government that builds roads, wouldn't also be smart enough to voluntarily get together in some manner to pay to build roads without coercive force.

Do you actually only pay your road taxes because the police hold a gun to your head? No, you pay them because you do find value in this. The magic of the government doesn't actually help this process at all.

>>1034575
A voluntary/private market for sex would fail due to the externalities involved (not allocating vaginas efficiently). The government should allocate vagina time to each citizen equally so they can have access to reproduction. If the vagina fails to comply it will be arrested. If it continues to resist it will be shot, making other vaginas more compliant.

>>1034653
>voluntarily get together in some manner to pay to build roads without coercive force.
Isn't that a government?

>>1034659
No. The government shoots people that don't give it money.

Coca cola doesn't come to your house and arrest you if you haven't bought at least three cokes this week.

>>1034661
>Coca cola doesn't come to your house and arrest you if you haven't bought at least three cokes this week.
No, but Executive Solutions guys might come by on the behalf of SNC Lavalin if you don't pay your road fees for the month.

>>1034563
That's actually true, though. The role of government in this case is more to design and monitor the road network, rather than directly build it.

We could all just hire companies to build roads for us willy-nilly, but anyone who's played a few custom HL2 or Quake maps back in the day knows that most people aren't very good at traffic management.

Additionally, people wouldn't be interested in stuff like road or rail beyond their own communities.

>>1034691
No I think they just won't let you use their roads until you pay.

>>1034692
>literally government fucking magic. People just can't be organized without it don't you know?

Nevermind its exactly the same fucking people.

>>1034642
L2economics. Food, electronics, and housing are both excludable and rivalrous. Private markets can effectively capture the economic gains, so externalities don't usually mess things up.

Roads are not rivalrous, and are economically classed as club goods (distinct from private goods) It is possible for private companies to capture profits from them, but club good markets are often natural monopolies, where the first one to enter the market wins, and competition is not viable. As such, monopolistic economics would have the monopoly owner overcharging and undersupplying relative to the perfectly competitive equilibrium that maximizes total economic gains for society (incidentally, in such a market, the market price is equal to the marginal cost of supply, which is very close to zero in club goods - tolls try to capture average total costs, which are typically much higher). In the case of roads, the enablement of inexpensive transportation allows logistics chains throughout the economy to operate much more effectively and over longer distances, which is a massive boost to the economy that only works when there is already a network of good roads in place. As such, a piecemeal private road network would have no way to capture that revenue in the first place, and would not supply roads for that. Externalities would be unaccounted for by the private market, so capturing them effectively takes something like a government that can pool resources across the entire market in question without messing it up with a monopolistic profit motive.

>>1034653
>wouldn't also be smart enough to voluntarily get together in some manner to pay to build roads without coercive force.
Free rider problem. There only needs to be one road system, which costs a certain amount of money. If a person refuses to help pay for it, it's still getting built, and now that person can use the road without having contributed to the construction costs. Rational self interest makes crowd funding hard.

>>1034025
t. urban cuckold

>>1034816
>The government doesn't pick and choose horrible monopolies to build roads and doesn't do a totally shit job at it just to enrich their friends.
>Big government dindu nuffin wrong. Government is a good boy, he protects you and builds roads.

http://libertynews.com/2015/01/democrat-senator-barbara-boxer-enriched-her-son-and-husband-on-government-contracts/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/17/sen-feinsteins-husbands-company-to-bag-1-billion-for-government-deal/

Just my two local senators, for pretty much their whole careers they have been funneling money to their own families to enrich themselves and nothing has ever been done about it. California roads are a fucking basket case.

>>1034885
>Replace government with corporation.
I could link you a slew of articles about shitheads stealing money or lying about sales to increase their bonuses, blah, blah, blah but we all know it happens.

The bottom line is 'people suck'. Doesn't matter who they work for or what their overall motivation is. When all is said and done some fucker out there is going to try and pit their dick in someone else if it gets them ahead and they think they can get away with it. The only difference between the two is if you pay for your own fucking up front or over time.

Problem is we need both of the fuckers in moderation; government and business. Its a hard fucking balance to keep. When one (or both) gets dysfunctional you either end up with with some communist shithole, some dystopian hellscape or Africa (where neither works at all).

>How viable is it to buy a parcel of land for <$3k and build a cabin on it?

Very viable in the flyover lands - probably not so much in places like California.

>Would I need a permit to do this?

Depends on the county - where I live, we don't have any permits or inspections required for construction in the county. Only in towns that require such withing their city limits.

Hey lookie there, I wrote - an answer to the OP's question, not a Libertarian vs Statist pissing contest entry.

When did /diy/ start being /pol/ ?

>>1034885
>The government doesn't pick and choose horrible monopolies to build roads
On big projects, they usually get bids from competing construction firms. And even if they didn't, the company that builds the road doesn't get to own it and charge tolls.

>do a totally shit job at it just to enrich their friends.
Which is why governments typically have provisions for oversight. Which private companies typically lack., especially in the absence of a government more powerful than them.

>Big government dindu nuffin wrong. Government is a good boy, he protects you and builds roads.
It's like you don't understand why governments exist in the first place. Private for-profit organizations can't effectively do everything because some things that society relies on don't work well in a private market. Whether or not a particular government does a good job at it, you need something like a government to do things like run national defense. Private companies can build roads, but the economics of the situation means that they don't have the incentives to build a road system that works most effectively for the economy overall. If you want to contest this, I would like you to explain what an externality is in your own words first.

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>>1034942
An externality would be an 'external' cost that is not currently paid for by the producer of a good before it hits the market.
For example, China does not internalize as many environmental costs as the US does, so their goods are cheaper.

External costs must be direct and provable damages to a sapient being or his property.

>private for profit
Why do they have to be for profit? My HOA owns the roads in our neighborhood and pays for their maintenance, we've never had a big problem doing that.

Governments exist for antisocial statists to play chess with their peons and so they can watch the 0s in their bank accounts roll over when they pass a new law that gives them another billion worthless dollars.

Voluntary organizations are what make a society function. A 'government' can be a tin pot dictator shooting every one that disagrees with him. He can build roads too.

>>1034942
The point of my links is to illustrate that even in a big fancy state with lots of oversight like california, it is corrupt as fuck. Our senators have been funneling money to their favorite construction firms for literally decades and oversight has never caught up to them.

Saying government does this better than a private voluntary organization would is like having faith in god. It's bigger than you and you worship it, so it must have your best interests at heart.

And yeah, what if the US didn't have a huge network of public roads? That'd be crazy, right?

A lot fewer people would die in road accidents.
The auto industry would be tiny. The mining industry would be tiny. Airplanes would be more popular. People wouldn't leave their home towns as much. There would be a lot, lot less CO2 for the greenies to worry about.

Talk about fuckin' externalities. Imagine that, no CO2 crisis because america never had an 2-3 auto per person revolution, and instead stuck to mass transit? That'd be crazy right?

Boy I'm glad daddy government spent my grandchild's life savings.

>>1034816
So many $10 words coming out of your $5 mouth and you still can't conceive of any other method of road funding besides mega daddy government and his all-knowing planners

>roads are not rivalrous
Have you never taken one route as opposed to another because of the condition of the roads? There are several areas of my city which are pothole ridden deathtraps and I take an alternate route. I avoid the tolls of interstate 80 and use other routes to get where I'm going. The rest of your argument falls apart from that failed assumption. There isn't a limit to the number of roads or routes between destinations and a competitive free market would drive fares down and keep roads in good repair. The only government intervention required is monopoly busting, and even then only in extreme cases.

Get over your fucking road fetish, your intellectual shortcomings do not justify the coercive and tyrannical extraction of unjust taxes at gunpoint to spend on LaTrina's 16 crack babies etc.

>>1034900
>When did /diy/ start being /pol/ ?
When libertards invaded.

>>1034961
>HOA
Some HOAs are good, some are shit. Some governments are good, some are shit. Depends on who is running them both cases. The concept of government is neither good nor bad.

I think the biggest argument against libertarianism is that libertarians still haven't moved to a libertarian paradise, like, for example, some African, Asian, or South American shithole, or the midle of the Canadian wilderness.
You'd only need enough knowledge to build a cabin, a well, a septic tank, some chickens, Etc, and could probably buy the materials for less than 10000. And nobody's going to tax you when they can't find you.

>>1034971
Do you like your ISP? How many choices of ISP do you have in your area? Whats the cheapest you can get real broadband service (we're talking Netflix streaming here, not the FCC's barely better than dial-up 'standard') in your area for thats not a temporary promo?

We have 4 options where I live (80k population city in California).

Comcast (fast, really expensive, shit customer service, only serves the city)
AT&T (slow, medium price, shit customer service, only serves the city)
Satellite (slow, expensive, goes it shit in bad weather)
RF (slow, moderately expensive, goes it shit just cause all the time, shit customer service, useless in the city, around trees on teh far side of hills)

Charter/Time Warner, which is in the next town over, wont expand here because they don't want to complete with Comcast and have a price war (IE real comitition). Similarly Comcast wont expand to that town for the same reason. If you look at their coverage maps they is almost no overlap at all even though they have both been in the are offering cable service for decades. AT&T refuses to upgrade their service because it would require a huge infrastructure rollout that would take decades to pay off. Satellite and RF are only even considered because there are huge areas just outside the city which the other services refuse to expand to. Meanwhile AT&T, Comcast and the local RF company went ape shit when someone tried to get the county to start up their own broadband service for people outside the metro service area and they started seriously considering it.

And you think these fuckers would do any better with something like roads? Time to adjust your meds mate.

>>1034994
But still, you won't get shot if you refuse to buy internet service from them.

I also agreed to join my hoa when I bought my house, I didn't have to enter into their rules

>>1034025
>Illinois, Ohio, and Michigan are important areas.

tfw Hoosierfag
;_;

>>1035005
Muh nigga.

>>1034983
Such a >>>/pol/ post. We're here to talk /diy/.

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>>1034983
"Such logic, much reason."

Seriously tho, I know /diy/ moderator interventions are few and far between, but in this one instance, PLEASE MODS, DELETE ALL THESE /pol/ POSTS AND GIVE THE POSTERS A MONTH LONG BAN FROM /diy/. I mean, as retarded as this OP was, this thread had potential to be seriously great before /pol/ decided to make this a /pol/ thread.

I'm posting NSFW to garner MOD attention-spans, [spoiler]and because I don't even care if I go down with this ship.
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BUT PLEASE, MODS, Dont let /diy/ threads get this cancerous without some level of intervention

Alaska has land auctions each spring and $3k would fetch a decent parcel of land but again; usually not easily accessible, might be swampy, you have to be an alaska state resident for 12 months prior to auction....

Did OP abandon this shitfest thread?

In my area:
>well: $4,500
>septic: $2,500
>electricity: $1,000- includes first 300 feet from main line, after that its $4 a foot above ground, $7 a foot underground.

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>>1033384
I was just replying. I'll delete my posts, then.

>>1035714
And I can't.

>>1035714
Statists gonna state.

Literally DELETE THIS

>>1031063
Where do you think you're gonna get land for $3k? Maybe in Mexico or some other impoverished country you could get a small parcel of land for your cabin, but you'd be at the mercy of some 3rd world government that has the power to revoke your land claim and kick you out (or worse).