Dmitrys Thread

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>Mean wile here is little work in progress on easter 2018 :) picture. I hope to finish by sunday-monday.

not trying to start shit but shouldnt dmitrys threads be on /aco/?

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>>7395036

/aco/?

isnt the a for american?

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>>7395019
>Mean wile

I thought western art wasn't allowed on /d/.

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>>7395197
Fanart technically isn't allowed either, but you don't see that stopping people.

>>7395081
No. The "a" is for "alternative". /aco/ is Alternative COmics.

>>7395100
KeK

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>>7395197
You were wrong.

>>7395081
>>7395512
Actually it stands for "adult." It was created to be the western equivalent of /h/, the mods that were assigned to /d/ and /aco/ at the time were just full of shit.

>>7395019
>progress on easter 2018 picture
>2018

Huh. If he's already started on it, he might actually be able to release it on time for once.

Or at least no more than a couple months late, I'm sure.

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/d/ is for dmitrys

>>7395036
Nah, for some reason dmitrys always goes here. If you want to be autistic, then you could say it should be on aco because it's not hentai, but it seems to be one of those exceptions.

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>>7395036
a very old discussion and used to be the cause of great futa wars and epic shitposting. somewhere along the line (years ago) the mods ruled that Dmitrys art is fine on /d/

though i have seen Dmitrys threads also on /aco/ once in awhile

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Apparently he's going to do a few with Sponty - hopefully ravaged by all the horsegirls one by one with a gang-up to finish. In honor of this - the most recent one.

>>7395019
>he's gonna keep the tits
damn it, might have to do my own peach art at this point

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>Well im nice and early for Easter 2018.

>You can check out update up on DMITRYSFUTA.COM I commissioned story from Ada for your enjoyment to go with the image. I actualy done quiet allot of background art for this one, maybe ill post it later.

site is broke, cant login :[

>>7397925
thought i was the only one.
sad!

>>7397602

Man I really like his recent peach faces.

>>7395100

What's your second language again?

>>7397076
>years ago
Is /aco/ even old enough to merit this description?

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>>7398493
I wish there were some regular clothes and/or dresses available for that.

>>7397317
>>7395019
I missed everything after the pic where he's choosing between the three.
What did he go with and how many pictures were there?

>>7398748
Peach chose option A Vanilla breasts

and only one pic came from it

>>7397602 will be the second pic

>>7397317
It's just a harness, timeline wise this is immediately after peach got home from the faux boob store

>>7398778
thanks for letting me know

that's bullshit though, I wanted him with great big floppy mommy sized titties.
I know everyone else does, but he's got a small frame for them, and [spoiler]it's what I would want for a rl harness[/spoiler]

>>7398331
Got in except whoops, no update. This fuckin guy.

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>>7394993
Why does everyone love Dmitry so much? Anasheya clearly produces the better futa.

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>>7398810
Apples =/= Oranges

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Reminder that we're never going to see more of the best family.

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>>7398848
He's done some art of them individually as of late. I miss Sasha more than anything else. Dmitrys hasn't done a fully-colored image with her in forever.

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>>7398518
the whole "Should Dmitrys be Allowed on /d/ ?arguments" happened over and over again long before /aco/ even existed.
The great futa-wars of /d/ and many brave futa-warrior heroes like FUTANAZI. Many epic battles were fought here. It has literally been years since then

>>7398850
I miss Courtney, know he had a whole series but imo he is by far the best. Those thighs, lips. unf.

>>7398810
>everybody

While he used to be really popular—like ten years ago—I'm pretty sure dmitrys is one of the most derided shemale artists currently producing. He just has a small fanbase that continues to repost his stuff endlessly.

I was going to say "small, loyal fanbase," but I'm honestly not sure they're even all that loyal considering how much he half-asses everything.

>>7399125
>one of the most derided shemale artists currently producing

i don't know if the artist "Amanoja" is currently producing, but I remember everyone used to hate on Amanoja's work. You couldn't post a single image without everyone getting all pissy for some reason

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>>7399110
Agreed. Would be nice to see him doing something other than taking horsedick for once.

>>7399128
I've been here a long time and I don't remember a period like that, to be honest. Was it after he announced he was no longer making shemale porn (but before he finally decided to start making it again)? I guess I could see people getting salty about that.

For my part, the only complaint I have about Amanoja is that his inks have gotten really sloppy since he first decided to focus on heterosexual stuff.

Well, that and he seriously overdoes it with makeup and shit, but that's something he's always done, and it's a personal preference thing.

>>7399338
You're a prince among men anon. Thank you!

>>7399378
I don't even feel bad because honestly this guy over charges and is so fucking slow on updates. Don't get me wrong he's talented as fuck but yeah

>>7399436
I want to support him by taking a commission, but it would probably take him a year to finish and cost hundreds of dollars more than I'd be willing to pay.

>>7399480
>>7399487
need an archive of these edits, god damn

>>7399338
I want to see Peach get tit fucked now.

>>7399922
you never will. (I would like to as well) Even if he does decide to draw it it will take him like half a year

is there a different version of those christmas set pics without the text on the side of them?

been looking around for awhile and i havent seen a full set just a few pics without the text

>>7399938
On his site he only has them with the text I believe, so you might as well just crop them yourself

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>>7399938
Yes, He sells them as a bundle on his twitter

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Peach confirmed to be the best butt slut

>>7399338

Thank you sir!! Please, may I have another?!

>>7399480
>>7399487

it's not often when you find edits that could replace the originals. good shit edit friend. keep on keeping on!

>>7401034

>junior men division

stop reminding me, dmitry. peach will always be my beautiful futa woman. having a dick doesn't make you a man! it doesn't!!

>>7399338
can someone post the others with these two

>>7402044

But Peach is a boy, anon! That can apply for the others.

>>7399480
>>7399487

What are the originals?

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can someone post the story for this one?

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My favourite

>>7398810
Anasheya hasn't posted anything new in like 4-5 months, so he's irrelevant until he actual decides to bring new content to the fap pool...hopefully he'll finish that art book and we can steal it quickly thereafter.

>>7402807
The others are all shemales, though.

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Does anyone else miss when peachy was a qt trap instead of a bimbo pseudo-futa?

>>7403910

yeah I'm not into peach like this, ruins the whole deal for me sadly :(

>>7403910
Yes.

>>7399128
>everyone
Amanoja's OK and when they get posted on 4chan it's not as bad a scat minefield.

For what stands Dmitrys for?

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>>7398850
Looks like He is look for someone to make a Milking game for Sasha

>>7405522
That looks awesome. I'm not too big on the inverted nipples, but I'm happy as long as it means more Sasha. Hopefully he can find someone to help him make it

>>7405539
I wish he'd do more dicknipple stuff

>>7395019
Is that Alexa Bliss?

>>7405030
If the graffiti in half his pictures is any indication, national socialism.

>>7403910
i just hate the de-aging / neotony dmitrys has done to him

peach looks 13 nowadays >>7399338, or at least has the face of one

>>7405522
i promise that this will be the most he does with this. This guy always wants to "start" a million things but never does anything more with any of them

>>7398696
>vinni puh grafitti

>>7405522
Oh dear God please yes

>>7405702
Whats the difference betweet Dmitrys and Muscular Futa ( x Futa ) ?

>>7398496
Does anyone have these? Please

>>7405857

Yup. Agreed. Either someone else will have to do it because he always starts shit but never completes it unless someone pretty much does for him

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a bit bigger

I feel like all he ever draws now is very muscular shemales. Nothing somewhat softer like his older stuff like Sasha

He is slowly crossing over to hypermasculine shemales territory. I dont mind huge boobs, horse cock, and a little muscle here and there. But lately all he draws is lots and lots of muscle.

>>7399338
Damn. I want to see Peach fuck some lucky boy in the ass now like he did with the long comic of him and his mom sharing a boyfriend. The boi did grow up so well.

>>7399338
Is there one of Peach showing him picking between what kinds of tits he wants?

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>>7405857
>>7406275
Dimitrys s not a programmer, so If the guy He teams up with isn't as experienced as He said He was it's only Dmitrys fault for trusting him

Look at this story board, Dmitrys team up with someone who said He was an animator, So Dmitrys envisioned a 10 minute scene, instead of that we got a two minute scene

>not wanting to watch the transformation into the busty shemale bottom Peach Blossom

>>7399338

>peach's pose

unf, god i love peach so much. she's just so slutty with that pose squeezing out her loads as she exposes that delicious blue egg in her ass.. i'm gonna need more peach with those strapon bewbs. my god.. wouldn't mind seeing more of that other character too. the composition of this piece is just amazing to me.

bravo dmitry.

>>7406649
>peach
>she

Pick one.

>>7406678

no.

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>>7406681
Pick one.

>>7406716

NO!

>>7406716

aw, she has such a qt penis. it's so adorable.

>>7406716
Damn. he needs to draw more of his characters in yoga pants.

>>7406483
either hes small brain as fuck or he has adhd

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>>7406730
Dmitrys doesn't produce enough content to have ADHD

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>>7397076
The Dmitrys threads on /aco/ are often these very threads that have been moved there because the mods no longer think it belongs on this board. More than once they've been deleted or moved to /aco/.

>>7406716
>>7406678
>>7402807
I knew this kind of bullshit was going to happen once Peach got a pair of fakies.

>>7403639
They aren't shemales because they were never dudes to begin with.

>>7403910
Yes. Peach makes a great trap and turning him into a half-ass non-committal "futa," to appeal transtrenders ruins all the other characters with the blurred implications.

>>7402044
Now this is something I don't get, Peach is hot, why does anyone need Peach to be considered a girl? Why is being a guy somehow less than when it comes to desire?
I know you're playing around but some people seem to need fictional characters to be referred to one way regardless of it having no effect on the visual look of the character.
Why can't he simply be a cute slutty boy and that be good enough?

>>7406836
A lot of people who became futanari fans (and a lot through Dmitrys work) don't like the idea of being attracted to boys. The futanari is one thing. They're rarely anything but chicks with dicks, though the musclebound ones push it too. Going for traps however breaks the illusion too much for some people so they try and patch it up with female terms to delude themselves otherwise.

That and that anon is probably trolling given how hyperbolic the end of their post is.

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>>7406876
>>7406836

As the anon that made the comment about dmitry remind us that his characters are boys, I think you're mostly correct about the sentiment and the psychological aspects of our regard for sexual attraction to the opposite gender.

I will contest one thing however. Years before Dmitry became huge, I was obsessed with "futa" which were typically characterized as women with having both male and female genitalia and the term "futa" became fairly prominent on the hentai scene. Dmitry's "futa" sort of tries to redefine the term and equivocate traps with futa which wasn't the case in previous incarnations of the term. I still consider futa has having both male and female genitalia and "Dmitry's futa" being how good it is practically removes the importance of female genitalia while emphasizing the penis and testicles. Futa is also never referred to as "he". Futa takes on the female gender pronouns as well.

Essentially Dmitry's trying to pass off his traps as futa and futa are all women with an extra appendage.

I mean, honestly, in defending my post, that's how I see his characters despite their being labeled as men. Damn you, Dmitry. Part of the appeal is believing that something like futa aren't real, but we wish they were: a beautiful feminine race easily appealing to both sexes while being able to exponentially heighten our sexual experiences.

To me, [see image] is true futa. Dmitry is creating traps while taking advantage of the popularity of the futa term.

>>7406790
Except anatomically they're male. I'm not saying they can't be female in gender, but be fucking honest with yourself, if not with anyone else. They have cocks. They've never had vaginas.

That isn't futa, it's shemales.

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Why does every Dmitrys thread devolve into the same fucking argument about what constitutes futa and what doesn't? Just post more girls with dicks.

>>7406992
Because dmitrys puts out new content once every five or six months, so there's nothing else to do in these threads.

>>7406992

sssshh, it helps bump dead dmitry threads that die because of lack of new content.

>>7406991
You're playing anatomy stickler with a fetish that tosses those rules to the bin by its mere existence. Dmitrys has explained his futas are a third gender of females with male genitalia. None of the futas were ever depicted as male. Katherine was a chick from loli-stage all the way to horse milfdom. Her kids are the same ages as Peach and Courtney and while the traps are flat, Emily and Scarlet grew massive (relatively) tits.

Futanari are all fantasy. Using the term for characters that fulfill all the same tropes, roles, and attractions when they don't have pussies is much less of a reach than using a term that implies they're all transitioned males.

>>7406992
Because people who prefer full-package futanari feel the need to misconstrue what they don't like.

>>7407016
>futanari are all fantasy

agreed. but dmitry is drawing traps. those actually exist.

the problem is that dmitry hijacked the term "futa". if i'm not mistaken, in hentai characters like the ones found in the manga t.s. i love you are all referred to as men that basically cross dress i.e. traps. do not conflate these terms. i have nothing against traps as they can partially fulfill the roles required of futa, but they cannot completely because they are lacking vaginas.

allow the distinction to remain because futa and traps are not the same thing.

>>7407035
No, because futanari is a loanword at this point and getting pissy that uses of it well outside a Japanese context don't strictly adhere to the original Japanese definition is short-sighted and silly. The world already had shemale porn categories. Futanari only took off because it represented a woman with a dick who didn't have the added baggage of being shemale or transgender.

The same rules that allow someone to think up futanari to begin with allow the possibility to have the same form without a vagina and have it mean nothing more than that. That's what Dmitrys futas are. Females with male genitalia. Conflating that with traps, which are crossdressing boys, is an even greater transgression on defining terms.

Mermaids don't suddenly change what they are if they have dolphin or shark styled tails because they still follow the internal logic, presentation, and role. Same thing here.

>>7407016
People have different fetishes, and dmitrys can claim "this is the way my world works" all he likes, it doesn't help people with specific fetishes find what they want, and it doesn't change the terminology that the community will use to refer to what he draws.

Language exists so people can successfully communicate their intent; trying to argue that the women dmitrys draws aren't shemales obfuscates intent.

It doesn't matter how they got to the point where their anatomy came to be the way it is. They have that anatomy, and so they're shemales.

>>7407089
Language also changes, especially foreign loanwords. Giallo, schadenfreude, ennui. They all have slightly different meanings in their mother languages than they do outside of those contexts, but they represented ideas a recipient language had no word for so they filled those niches, regardless of how faithful those niches were to the original definition. Futanari is no different.

You don't get to play anatomy stickler with a fetish that defines itself by playing with those rules. The truth is you're in a small minority on this, so acting as if the community's vernacular is going to reinforce your position here is wrong. Take a stroll to HF for instance. There's no distinction made. I understand you like what you like, but that doesn't mean you get to do exactly what you're whining about and misuse a label to establish a distinction most people don't seem to have anymore. Hell, even inside Japan that definition is not nearly as strict as you make it out to be. They're not shemales just because the artist doesn't like drawing a vagina. If they're depicted as male at some point or stated to have been such then go right ahead, but throwing that label at variances to the futanari fetish because you don't personally like them isn't going to work.

I kinda think that it would be hot if ALL of them were guys and identified as such. Sept the pussy havers.

>>7406790
>The Dmitrys threads on /aco/ are often these very threads that have been moved there because the mods no longer think it belongs on this board. More than once they've been deleted or moved to /aco/.

Citation needed

>>7407123
I'm talking about how the English-speaking community refers to it. Futa is futa and shemales are shemales.

And of course you can play anatomy stickler; when you include, or fail to include, a major part of the sexual anatomy in pornographic imagery, that's a thing people notice, and it's a thing that people want to categorize so that the people who want one thing can find what they want, while people who want the other can find what THEY want. Categorization based on similarities and differences is one of the main bases of fetishization. This particular categorization is the way the language has developed.

You're the one banging his head into the wall trying to get it to conform to your own preconceptions.

>>7407279
See this thread that started on /d/ and was moved to /aco/.
desuarchive.org/aco/thread/1196056/

>>7407298
I am too. English speakers by and large don't seem to care about whether their futanari have pussies as long as they aren't shemales. The distinction doesn't exist there the same way it does between characters that are actually transgender and characters that are simply chicks with dicks.

Go to HF or many rule34 sites. You'll find the users don't care by and large and the people whining like you are now are in an overwhelming minority. I understand you have a certain aesthetic preference, but that doesn't mean you get to attach a whole bunch of unrelated baggage in order to validate your preference in comparison.

Your last line is completely backwards. You're the one in a thread devoted to an artist that doesn't draw pussies on his futanari complaining about such.

>>7407334

what you're saying is practically nonsense. as the other anon said you're the one conflating shit and complaining when people are saying rightfully that two different things are in fact two different things regardless of how the general public including yourself have grown to conflate the two.

some guy rightfully told me to not refer to peach as "she" because the character is not female. And that anon is correct, but i'm not attracted to men and nor will you typically find me praising a guy for his appeal. people like you who appreciate the lack of specificity are undermining the need for the distinction in the first place. so when someone tries to correct me that peach is a boy is correct, but at the same time it proves that peach is also NOT a futa no matter how dmitry tries to redefine them. futa ARE females and they DO NOT EXIST IN NATURE- they have overly exaggerated feminine features. they're not typically flat chested and they're certainly not referred to as boys.

you are the one fighting this basic distinction that has widely been made and it's a distinction that deserves to be maintained.

>futa
>traps/shemales
>men
>women

when someone refers to futa, they do not mean traps. when someone refers to traps they do not imply men. the intentionality of language is important to keep from making categorical mistakes.

>>7407502
I never said Peach is a futa. I'm actually of the mind that keeping traps and futa separate categories is a good thing and most people do that.

My contention is with people conflating traps with the futanari characters just because the latter don't have vaginas. None of those characters were ever described as or depicted as male the same way the traps like Courtney and Peach are. Look at the difference with Emily/Scarlet and Peach/Courtney. The former are futas who grew natural breasts just like their mother they're always referred to as female whereas the latter two are traps, don't have tits at all and are always referred to as boys.

If anything the anon you're siding with is conflating things, not me.

>>7407554

so now it's a character's tits that separate them from being futa or not futa? that's total nonsense. dmitry's blurring these lines. as i said before, dmitry is not drawing futa. he's calling them futa, but they are traps. they do not have female genitalia which is the defining sexual characteristic, boobs or no boobs.

you're argument went from "it's okay to call it all futa because people see it as all the same" while myself and the other anon were saying that futa are different from shemales and traps.

emily is somehow "futanari" despite not having a vagina. how? traps can have tits although they may be implants or hormonally induced. the defining feature of futa is that they have both male and female genitalia but dmitry just labels characters as girl or boy on a whim.

you and dmitry are essentially making a distinction without any real difference. in this case, why not refer to all of his characters as boys or girls. he's conflating everything already.

>>7407600
Because, and I know you and the other anon are having difficulty with this concept.

F A N T A S Y

You can have a female character with male genitalia in art for the same reasons you can have female characters with fish tails or bat wings. Many of these characters have fucking horse tails, dongs, and ears and you're flipping your shit because people have accepted the variance of a futanari without a pussy. Do people like you similarly assume every mermaid must have had surgery to get that way? Does every sphynx represent a genetic experiment on what was an normal woman? There's no thematic difference between Meryl with pussy or Meryl without one. She'd still do all the same futanari things she does now. Her role, position, and history wouldn't change.

Most people see a much greater difference between implying a character is transgender (which shemale does) and the lack of a draw body part and the futanari art on sites like HF or Rule34 reflects that.

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>>7407196
That's getting into pretty niche fetish material.

You're absolutely right, of course, but unfortunately there's not a lot of stuff like that out there, due in part to obscurity, in part to political correctness. I mean, for my part, in real life people are whoever they present themselves as, so long as it's not (figuratively) fucking anyone else in the ass; but in fetish material? I'd love if there were more content where shemales considered themselves male.

And gay, for that matter.

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>>7407649
What part of "yes they're female, no they're not futa" are you still not getting, anon?

Shemales aren't men, not unless that happens to be your fetish fantasy. Stop going through mental loops to convince yourself that you're less gay than people who like trannies, because neither of you are gay.

And what people are you talking about? HF is a tiny community full of hacks that are one step removed from DeviantArt tier lalalanders. Rule34 is full of shit, but as far as I'm aware they differentiate between shemales and futa entirely on the basis of genital arrangement, just like every other major booru. Sad panda and all its derivative porn-collecting sites do as well, as do most major futa forums that I've looked at (granted, that's pretty far from a comprehensive list). Even most channers seem to accept that there's a categorical difference between dickgirls with and without vagoos, although there are a few who can't agree on what to call them because channers can't agree on jack shit.

There are a few popular internet artists, many of whom don't even speak English as a first language, who call the shemales they draw futa. Is that seriously the extent of your support base? Because it's all I'm seeing that comes close to legitimizing your linguistic fantasy.

>>7407649

traps are NOT FANTASY
shemales are NOT FANTASY
FUTANARI IS FANTASY

Do you understand the concept of defining features? What's the defining feature of a trap versus dmitry's futanari? You couldn't even look at one and tell the difference without having to research his characters.

You're essentially trying to make the argument that not all unicorns need a horn. mermaids are fantasy. they do not exist in real life. the sphinx are truly fantasy as they do not exist in real life either.
>there's no thematic difference is meryl with pussy or meryl without one

yes there is. there's a huge thematic difference. you wouldn't recognize it since you've been jacking it to traps for so long.

the most obvious observation i have to make on this topic is dmitry's categories themselves. every futanari character dmitry creates is either referred to as a sister or mother to their other family members and it's listed on their profiles. dmitry knows that futa should have pussys and be referred to as girls, but he doesn't draw them as futa because dmitry clearly prefers traps over futanari.

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>>7407664
They aren't shemales though. Futanari are fantasy and that includes the ones without vaginas. Shemales are males who transition, something none of Dmitrys' futa characters have done. And no, Dmitrys doesn't prefer them to be transsexual, he's mentioned before he just doesn't like cramming the equipment all together. It's an aesthetic choice for his characters, one he's happy to break when people commission him to draw futanari with pussies.

>>7407660
Shemales are males who transition. None of Dmitrys futas are that. Secondly, if you're going to go with that argument, you might as well get the consistency and verbiage down right since that's such a fucking lynchpin to your arguments.

Female is sex. Woman is gender. Shemales can't be female, which is why Dmitrys making his futas a third sex of females with male genitalia is not bound to any sort of reality that pertains to real life shemales. You're inferring all of this on an aesthetic tick despite everything the artist has said contradicting that supposition.

>>7407767

>dmitry created this third gender with no real difference between shemales besides the fact that you have to research that they were born naturally as females despite there being no substantial difference between his futa and traps.
>it's fantasy because you have to imagine them as female even though dmitry's clearly drawing beautiful transvestites
>can't you get that? it's fantasy okay!
>it's a difference without a distinction
>it's contradictory and nonsensical because labels don't fucking matter. okay?!

so you basically said that dmitry acknowledges that futa are actually women, but he chooses not to draw them with female junk because of the "crammed down there" aesthetic further reinforcing the perception that dmitry prefers traps to true futanari.

are you going to start using your brain eventually in this conversation?

>shemales are males who transition

what does this even mean?

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>>7407818
>so you basically said that dmitry acknowledges that futa are actually women, but he chooses not to draw them with female junk because of the "crammed down there" aesthetic

Yup, and he's absolutely allowed to do that because it's fantasy. There's no difference between his futas and the full-package kind other than the draw vagina. They're all otherwise biologically female. He's not the only artist who does this either.

Secondly, traps are small effeminate boys who crossdress. They haven't had surgery and they don't represent themselves as female or women. They're not futanari and they're not shemales. Shemale is a term for a transgender person, someone who undergoes surgery, hormones, etc, to transition to a woman. None of Dmitrys characters have done that, hence the label shemale doesn't apply.

Traps = Girly boys who crossdress.
Shemales = Males who transition (surgery/hormones/etc.) to look like a woman
Futanari = Genetic female with a dick.
Regular men and women are self-explanatory.

>>7407827

it's like drawing coke cans and saying they're actually pepsi cans while forcing people to ignore the idiocy of it all.

dmitry and some other artists apparently have trouble fapping to the thought of men/traps/shemales, so they label their characters as "futa" despite those characters not having vaginas.

when did traps become strictly defined as girly boys? are you making this shit up? they're called traps because of their stark resemblance to women period.

>futanari = genetic female with a dick

how? how can something be genetically female without a vagina yet somehow exists in contrast with a shemale or a trap? also when did shemales become "males who transition"? you're doing some crazy reaching to give room from dmitry's futa complete nonsense.

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>>7407840
For quite a long time. Again, hop onto any major hentai repository and search for traps. You'll find nothing but flat young boys in drag. They're very feminine crossdressers. Undergoing surgery/hormone treatment and such is generally considered the line between trapdom and being a shemale (transgender).

Shemales have always been a term for transgender people in the west. The sole reason futanari became a popular concept and loanword is because it was utterly divorced from the transitional baggage shemales bring to the table. It wasn't encumbered with the idea of maleness like other shemale porn was. In art, you can have genetic females with dicks for the same reason you can have women with fish tails or goat hooves. It's fantasy. It doesn't adhere to strict reality and there's nothing that says a genetic woman can't have male genitalia in lieu of what she'd normally have. It's a chimeric fantastical form.

Again, look at the differences between Emily/Scarlett and Peach/Courtney. The former are futanari, genetic females with dicks who are undergoing natural female puberty (natural breasts) just like their mother did during her growing up series. Peach and Courtney however are traps, overly feminine genetic males who like to crossdress.

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>>7407767
You're constructing elaborate fantasies to explain your fetishes, not what's in front of you. People can call a drawing of a woman giving a man a simple handjob femdom and imagine it as such if they like; nobody's stopping them. Their fantasies don't make the image a depiction of femdom, though.

You're imagining a fantasy where the things dmitrys is drawing are genetically female. That's cute, and all, but the fact remains that what's actually been drawn is anatomically male.

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>>7407854

let me explain how ridiculous these concepts are.

futa are genetically female existing without the defining features of all females: the vagina. theoretically, there could be a futa "female" with delicious flat chest and a dick that appears to look exactly like a trap if its creator chose to explain their existence in such a way. there would literally be no physical difference in the appearance between a trap, futa, or a shemale in this instance.

if shemales are supposedly males that transition, then they could to theoretically look identical to traps and futa. the male transitions to look exactly like a female whereas traps are born naturally as boys without overt feminine features BUT their appearance could easily be interchanged with a shemale because they naturally are perceived as women.

the problem is obvious. futa, shemales, and traps are practically interchangeable at face value. there are concepts in which they all could appear to be the same thing because only their backstorys would highlight any distinction. googling for any particular result online would produce the same outcomes whether searching for futa, traps, or shemales. there's literally no difference in their physical appearance.

again, futa are genetically female and guess what? unlike traps and shemales, they can actually be impregnated. the futa that you're describing cannot be impregnated because they're genetically identical to men. do you understand how this is a tremendous thematic difference. concepts should not be inherently contradictory despite they're delving into the fantasy realm.

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>>7407872
I'm sorry you don't understand the concept of fantasy and laughably choose to adhere to a strict definition of realism in a subset of porn characterized by humans with animal parts. I'm sorry you have the arrogance to assume someone using their creative talents to make something becomes what you say it is regardless of the fact the genre they're working with was always fantasy to begin with. I'm sorry you think short torsos, long legs, wide hips, soft faces, and natural curves are all anatomically male because the artist didn't include a pussy.

It takes more imagination and elaboration from people like you to apply a shemale label and all the baggage that comes with it then to simply take Dmitrys explanation on face-value. All of this is fantasy to begin with so berating someone for imagining fantasies is a beyond odd.

>>7407877
You're right, in that instance it would be confusing. Find me an example of such. Dmitrys has no flat futanari and his genetic males all have flat chests. The only way Peach has tits is by wearing a fake pair of them. Shemales aren't supposedly males that transition, that's exactly what they are.

Nothing about the definition of futanari says they need to be fertile and you're basing this argument on a hypothetical convergence of trap, shemale, and futanari all once. Find me the artists drawing flat pussyless futanari that's inspiring all this confusion in you.

Again, since you don't seem to understand this, fantasy allows you to have a genetic female with no vagina. Do you similarly whine about lamia if they don't have obvious sex organs? What about mermaids? Those things aren't anymore inherently fantasy than futanari is. You don't get to play fetish police because a certain variance of futanari triggers you. Don't forget, there's plenty of futanari with retractable dicks, no balls, or simply engorged clits. Do you also whine about the realism of those?

Why are we even having this debate?

A futanari has a vagina. This is a must. If it does not have a vagina, it is not a futa.

This is not up for debate or discussion. Do not bother replying.

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>>7407964
It is up for debate because we're having it right now. It's up for debate because a great many people don't care about that and place a greater emphasis on the difference between genetic female with a dick and genetic male transgender.

I just replied. I'm having a discussion with you whether you like it or not. Go ahead and call the cyber police on me.

>>7407964
I use shit so interchangebly because it doesn't really matter unless its for very specific organizational purposes. Like on a booru or some shit. "full package futa", "shemale", "dickgirl" etc

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>>7407952
Oh, no worries. I'M sorry that your idea of fantasy is so limited that you can't accept the idea that people have different fantasies and what's actually depicted in any given image may not strictly conform to the fantasy you've constructed around it.

I also find it mildly amusing that you actually seem to believe genetics has anything to do with drawn pornography.

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>>7407981
I don't think genetics has anything to do with drawn porn and if you think that you're not understanding the point that there's a difference between a biological female character with whatever junk and a biological male character that transitioned to get there.

I'm actually the one saying futanari doesn't need to adhere to such a strict definition since it's inherently fantasy to begin with and I'm absolutely fine with fantasies that don't contradict the source material or creator's intent.

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>>7407988
No, what you're saying is that dmitrys's art is what you want it to be because you have a nonsense fantasy, and that everybody who points out that your nonsense fantasy doesn't have very much to do with what dmitrys is actually drawing is wrong because you have a nonsense fantasy.

We all have nonsense fantasies, anon, this is /d/, but most of us can actually separate what is immediately in front of us from what we fantasize about when we're getting off.

Also, drawings don't have a biology, anon. They're drawings.

>>7408169
>Also, drawings don't have a biology, anon. They're drawings.
How often we forget.

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>>7408169
Quite the contrary, I'm going with what Dmitrys and most of his fans call his work. Using a label that implies a backstory or connotation that doesn't exist, like what you're doing, is in fact the nonsense and misconstruing. And if you're going to play the "drawings don't have a biology," game then your whole spiel of whining and bitching about what these characters are supposed to be in accordance with reality's strict rules is beyond moot. You can't have it both ways.

Dmitrys calls them futanari and labels them a separate third gender. Most of his fans call them the same. His art was a gateway for many into the fetish itself. None of his futanari characters fit the definition of a shemale. You're throwing a mighty fit here because the creator and most of his fans don't care about your stickler behavior for your aesthetic preferences. You're the one trying to redefine what someone else's characters are based on your own personal tastes, not me.

And if you think that picture proves anything you're wrong again. It was a one-off commission, just like the Lustomic series. None of his own art or recurring characters have that dynamic or theme.

Back in the day on /d/ futa referred to girls with dicks and vaginas, everything else was called dickgirls (unless it was a shemale or trap). Now people don't make that distinction and you see girls with balls being called futa, even on strict boorus.

/d/ is for dickgirls.

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>>7407952

The concept is the problem because your version of futanari combines the aesthetic appeal of both traps and shemales and disregards the MAIN THING that separates futa from these other fetishes and genres.

You're essentially describing fantasy fiction writing. I'm talking about fantasy anatomy. You can't have fucking mermaids without tails, unicorns without horns, chimeras with consisting of a combination of different things, yet that's your argument because F A N T A S Y. There are strict concepts when talking about this shit and then there are people that work outside them while taking advantage of the labels.

Let me reiterate, futanari exists as an anatomically distinct than traps or shemales. I don't really care about the fiction writing involving these things. I care about their anatomy and body differences. I gave you an example where, given your definitions, there's literally no difference between futa, shemales, and traps and you're answer was basically

>that can't happen because who draws them that way?

Here you have defined your conceptual limitation within fantasy. If it's F A N T A S Y then why not draw them all the same given you ridiculous definitions? You basically reinforced the absurdity of your own argument. I'm saying given your argument, there are no limits or physical appearance that solely distinguishes these categories. Under the mantle of fantasy and blurred concepts, any of the shemales, traps, or futa could be drawn exactly the same. That's essentially your argument and not mine.

I'm don't really care about the distinctions between shemales and traps for the purposes of this argument. I'm only trying to draw a clear distinction between futa and the rest. Conceptually, futa are different from traps and shemales because of their clear physical differences. You ought to be able to see the difference immediately as you would a mermaid from a unicorn or dragon.

>>7407651
>And gay, for that matter.

Amen. Nothing wrong with a good hard gay shemale. If he want to. If she's a straight transwoman then whatever be true to you.

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>>7408458
You didn't give me an example, you twisted and contorted to find a hypothetical nobody has drawn to try and prove a point. Futanari, including Dmitrys variety (which are rather popular if you haven't guessed) are anatomically different than shemales and traps, you're just ignoring that difference because you're getting pissed that other people don't care about your aesthetic preferences. There are already many varieties of futanari, one more is not going to upturn the fetish, especially since that variety has existed for years and people outside Japan don't seem to give two fucks either way.

You don't get to sit there and tell someone what their made up characters are when they fulfill the same criteria of the fetish you're so childishly gatekeeping. Here's a question for you. What exactly would you call non-transgender women with dicks without pussies? If you're such a stickler for definitions then you know how much shemale doesn't apply to such a situation so enlighten me. Tell me why a creator's own words don't matter as much as your own personal little preferences.

Why are you even in this thread if Dmitrys flavor of futanari are not to your liking? Why are you even in this thread if you're posting completely unrelated crap?

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>>7408502

You can't make the argument that I'm twisting and contorting "to find a hypothetical nobody has drawn" to justify the twisting and contorting of what futa actually are by popular artists because these popular artists want their shit to fit the definition of futa. But you're certainly trying to. I don't need to search for an example for you to be able to use logic to suggest that an example of what I was describing could so easily exist.

I'm sorry if you're having trouble with this so simple distinction. Futa have vaginas. Period. Anything else being represented as fufa is a categorical mistake regardless of whatever fantasy backstory you think these characters should have.

>You don't get to sit there and tell someone what their made up characters are when they fulfill the same criteria of the fetish you're so childishly gatekeeping.

You don't seem to understand that dmitry's futa aren't fulfilling the criteria for the futa fetish. You seem completely lost to this point.

> What exactly would you call non-transgender women with dicks without pussies?

A trap. Next question?

>assuming a non-transgender woman could only have a penis.

I mean, what? You may as well start saying that genitalia aren't indicative of sex at all. Say that men are actually women or say that women are actually men, draw cats and call them dogs, draw mermaids and call them donkeys. You seem confused friend.

>Why are you even in this thread if Dmitrys flavor of futanari are not to your liking?

It's clear that I'm in this thread because I like Dmitry's artwork, but I never got confused on this matter like you have that Dmitry is actually drawing traps or shemales- I never really cared about the distinctions between these two.

>Why are you even in this thread if you're posting completely unrelated crap?

The images that I post are meant to help you discern the clear and obvious differences of futanari's aspects that can't be achieved by drawing them as shemales/traps

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>>7408533
If it could so easily exist you'd have no problems finding an example of it to show me it represents the crisis of categorization you're making it out to be. Until then it's just a weak hypothetical you're dragging out for a technicality.

Futanari, as long as they're women with dicks and not transgender don't need vaginas. It's not the most popular form I know, but it's a lot more prevalent then you're letting on. Dmitrys is hardly the only person to use that form. And you don't have the authority to declare that a categorization mistake simply because you're anal about the original definition. If the forms look and function virtually the same as regular futanari with the same physiological background, they're going to get the label, people aren't going to care, and there's nothing you can do about it.

And for someone so concerned about definitions you seem to be confused as to what traps are given you're fine labeling dick-wielding non-transitional female characters as traps when those are widely accepted to simply be boys in drag.

>You may as well start saying that genitalia aren't indicative of sex at all.
In this fantasy world they often aren't. Cuntboys don't have both, but nobody is suffering under the illusion they're actually female are they? Same exact thing in reverse for this.

I'm not confused here. Dmitrys, by his own words, draws futanari and traps primarily. For someone who's a fan of his work and such a stickler for definitions one would have assumed his own descriptions of his characters as futanari, his site's name, and its watermark would have peeved you out by now.

I know what futanari look like too. You don't need to make excuses for posting unrelated work because you think I don't understand for disagreeing with your hardline stance on this.

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>>7408553
>If the forms look and function virtually the same as regular futanari with the same physiological background, they're going to get the label, people aren't going to care, and there's nothing you can do about it.

THEY DONT FUNCTION VIRTUALLY THE SAME AS REGULAR FUTANARI

THATS MY ENTIRE POINT

DMITRYS FUTA DONT FUNCTION LIKE FUTA

I'm done. Reason is wasted on people like you. I don't need an example to be popularized or even drawn to understand that the concepts of shemales and traps parallel your definition of futa. They appear to be all the same shit to you.

>Cuntboys don't have both, but nobody is suffering under the illusion they're actually female are they? Same exact thing in reverse for this.

I was going to mention cuntboys, but I decided not to in order to keep from confusing this issue further.

>>7408553

Also, you should just do a basic google search for the definition of the word futanari and what you'll find is that it's a Japanese term for hermaphroditism meaning that both male and female sexual organs represented anatomically.

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>>7408574
No, you didn't mention them because they completely undermine your entire point. They're very clearly male and yet they never seem to have male genitalia at all. Unless you're seriously about to tell me all those muscle bound men with pussies are actually female you're about to sacrifice logical consistency here. There's no difference between them and pussyless futanari when it comes to internal workings. The same thing that allows people to slap pussies on men and have them be nothing but men with pussies allows the reverse, futanari without pussies.

It's not my definition of futanari. It's a popular variant drawn by artists like Dmitrys. He calls his pussyless futanari with the futanari label.

Traps are boys in drag.
Futanari are women with dicks.
Shemales are male-to-female transgenders.

That simple. They aren't at all the same thing to me just because I'm fine with the pussyless variant of futanari.

>>7408594
Already covered that. Doesn't matter given it's become a loanword outside Japan at this point. They often take on or lose bits of their original definitions when they hop between languages and the fact so many artists outside Japan are fine drawing pussyless futanari is testament to that.

>>7408596

I'll be honest and say that I didn't mention cuntboys because although I'm familiar with their existence, I'm not familiar with their appeal. But if I were to critique your argument based on the inclusion of cuntboys in this topic, it would be arguing that cuntboys, defined by the existence of their vaginas with an overall masculine appearance would no longer need to have vaginas as a necessary feature while still being described as cuntboys because cuntboys without vaginas somehow still fulfill the broader "criteria" of the fetish.

I don't care how a popular artist mislabels their artwork. Dmitry's futa can't be futa because they are not futa.

The language argument is rather uninteresting given that the term futanari means hermaphrodite and suggesting the meaning has shifted somewhat isn't objective given the meaning is possibly continually in flux because of ignorance or popular artist's attempt at redefining the fetish and blurring concepts.

On urban dictionary, all of the top definitions of futanari describe a futa character as having both a vagina and dick. It seems that your characterization of the fetish and heavy reliance of the meaning of the word "futa" on how accepted and popular the nonvagina having futa are is opposition to what's actually true. The language as you've asserted hasn't evolved on the matter as much you think it has and the broader public still views futa as anatomical females with the inclusion of a penis. You and Dmirty's definitions appear to be outliers in this case.

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>>7408629
Wait a minute, you're not prepared to take a stroll through an actual website that hosts futanari artwork, like HF, where it's obvious many creators and fans alike don't care about this distinction, but you're going to rely on the definitions posted on Urban Dictionary? Give me a fucking break.

It's funny how you say you're a fan of Dmitrys works, but holding the position you do would mean no end of irritation to his constant misuse of the term in your eyes. How the fuck did you reconcile that? How did you deal with the very fact every piece of art he does has a "DMITRYSFUTA" watermark on it? If you actually care about this as much as you clearly do and if you are actually a fan of his as you supposedly say you are, how the fuck did this not irk you to the point of abandoning his work? How did you actually become a fan of someone you think is so blatantly misusing labels right there on every single picture?

You didn't understand the point of the cuntboy comparison either. Cuntboys don't have dicks. They're strictly men with vaginas. They don't have dual sexes, just one. Now, it's pretty safe to say nobody is going to confuse any of them with actually being female. So, please, tell me how exactly the same logic does not apply in reverse to a female character with male genitalia? If it were a requirement for cuntboys to have both your point would make sense, but it isn't. They almost always have a vagina only and yet nobody is confusing them with anything other than what they are, dudes with pussies. Tell me why the opposite form triggers such an autismal response and appeal to definitive authority?

>>7408855

You're still basing the meaning of the word "futanari" on the misuse of the term by popular artists. I know what you're talking about. I've seen various examples of misuse of the term on HF and other websites. That still doesn't change the fact that "futa" is still represents anatomically correct females with the inclusion of a dick.

On the cuntboys example, my argument was meant to illustrate how removing a defining feature of a concept does change it's appeal. Removing the cunt from cuntboys certainly changes it's appeal, just like removing the vaginas from futa.

Ironically, this conversation started with me questioning whether Peach was actually a "he". Dmitry defines the character as a male despite his appearance being a girl without a vagina. Given your definition of futa, Peach could easily be confused as a futa which is why I would prefer to call Peach a girl because it's closer to that definition given his aesthetic than being a trap. Another popular artist by the name of Incase draws plenty of traps and I'm not a huge fan of his work because his characters' appearance are relate more to the feminine male aesthetic. How can Peach and Incase characters both be traps when they've clear differences in appearance. Oddly enough, this example pushes me into defining futa as girls without pussies because I'm essentially arguing that Peach is female. Dmitry doesn't define Peach this way because he's blurring these conceptual lines. Neither can I call Peach a futa, although inclined because his aesthetic, or a girl because Dmitry has defined Peach as a male. At face value, Peach and Incase characters should all be referred as traps regardless of how I'm inclined to refer to them because none of them have female genitalia.

As mentioned earlier, I'm not quite aware of the perception of cuntboys- whether people view them as men w/cunts or extremely masculine women, however, dickgirls seem to be their polar opposite, not futa.

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>>7408855
>>7408855
>It's funny how you say you're a fan of Dmitrys works, but holding the position you do would mean no end of irritation to his constant misuse of the term in your eyes. How the fuck did you reconcile that? How did you deal with the very fact every piece of art he does has a "DMITRYSFUTA" watermark on it? If you actually care about this as much as you clearly do and if you are actually a fan of his as you supposedly say you are, how the fuck did this not irk you to the point of abandoning his work? How did you actually become a fan of someone you think is so blatantly misusing labels right there on every single picture?

Dmitry draws pretty girls with dicks. It's just that simple. Also, I can use my imagination to disregard any mislabeling. My psychology translates his characters as female despite their having cocks BUT I know they are not futa as they cannot fulfill the role that futa play in this spectrum of sexuality.

>>7408313
Dmitrys barely speaks English, Japanese, or anything in between. "Most of his fans do X" is indemonstrable, and doesn't give us any useful data—how many people do his fans constitute? What percentage of his fans agree with your interpretation? What percentage of people who are into girls with dicks do his fans constitute? You're the one who keeps bringing up how "most" people agree with you, so why don't you start supporting that particular lynchpin with some actual evidence?

>his art was a gateway for many into the fetish
Also indemonstrable, and you're making the assumption that everybody gets off to any possible configuration of genitalia related to a dick on a feminine body in the same way, which is demonstrably untrue. It isn't one fetish, it's several. Different people have differing levels of interest in different configurations of genitalia, or else we would never have futa vs. shemale vs. etc. arguments on 4chan, because nobody would care.

Ultimately you're basing your argument entirely on the unprovable premise that people agree with your over-elaborate fantasy. You also seem to be arguing that anybody disagreeing with you is unable to process fantasy of any significant depth themselves or accept fantastic definitions of words that have fairly well established definitions (everywhere from gelbooru to sad panda to wikipedia disagrees with you, by the way); but at the same time you're clinging to a highly 3DPD-based definition of the word shemale (which is to say, a pre-op MtF transsexual) instead of allowing a broader "fantasy" definition to be applied to drawings, which would allow a useful differentiation between categories of girls with dicks that channers would appear to be interested in making (ie, the presence or absence of female genitalia). This IS demonstrable because, again, 4chan has been bitching about what to call girls with dicks in the variety of their potential genital configurations for over a decade.

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>>7409148
What's the difference?

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>>7409148
The latter sounds way more interesting, since otherwise it'd just be endless reposts.

>>7399480
In Soviet Russia, you tongues nigger anus.

>>7409235
lmfao not a place i wanna be

>>7406483
Well the way the animation was done was that it was a "high polish" art style. Not simple cel-shading. It's probably why we got 2 minutes rather than 10. Also, professionally one animator would ideally be able to make 7 seconds of animation within one week if you want it film-quality (smooth quality), or up to 30 seconds TV-quality animation. This is also factoring in you're making the designs easy to animate (Dmitrys likes more detailed anatomy), and a good production pipeline set in.

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>>7408965
Wait, you were whining and bitching your ass off because I was saying futanari variants like Dmitrys' aren't required to have pussies, chastising me as making anything up when all I was doing was following Dmitrys' own descriptions for his own characters, yet you're perfectly fine doing this? Talk about blatant hypocrisy. Was it all really about guarding the futanari label? That was it? For fuck's sake.

>>7409133
Most of his fans are fine with his labeling because if they weren't they would be telling him so or whining about it like you are now. They aren't, hence they either don't care that much or are fine with it.

And no, you don't get to sit there and complain ad nauseam about the misuses of the futanari label and then suggest stretching the shemale one when removing it of its reality-based connotations is impossible. Utter hypocrisy and you know it. You did a fantastic job refuting the cuntboy analogy too, and by that I mean you completely ignored it because you know it would completely invalidate all this whining about the existence of a drawn pussy on characters that look, act, and behave the same exact way.

You're not going to change my mind on this. I think you should know that. I'm going to keep calling them futanari along with everyone else who isn't autismal with minute variances, along with the actual creator of said content, and along with people who don't have semantic sticks up their asses who insist on treating the Urban Dictionary as an authority.

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>>7409385
the animation we got was not TV-quality

after see what Dmitrys wanting in the storyboard the animator probably told him that that was way out of his league, So Dmitrys made the animators work a lot easier and made 7 key frames which the animator used as a base for the short animation

The pic is not from the animation but one the the key frames Dmitrys made

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>>7409501
Again, you and who else? You keep arguing that you have some sort of majority agreeing with you. Where is it? There are at least three or four people in this thread alone who have disagreed with you. Where are your assenters?

Oh, and I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just letting you know that you've gotten to the point where you can't separate your fantasy from what you're actually looking at. That's a little scary, anon. You should seek therapy.

You should probably also know that dmitrys himself has never said anything to suggest most of that fantasy you've developed concerning his characters. This isn't the first thread I've seen you post about your fantasy in, and at this point I'm pretty sure your dmitrys-setting head-canon is about two or three times more detailed than what he's actually come up with, himself.

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>>7409501

It wasn't hypocrisy in any form because though I admitted that I see Dmitry's characters psychologically as women, the truth is that they're not women. They're all something akin to traps or shemales. I tried to guide you through my reasoning, but it appears that you got lost along the way. I'm not sticking to Dmitry's definitions of these characters. I'm sticking to the definitions of how their anatomy are classified. Dmitry can refer to Peach as a male simply because Peach does not have a pussy. This is not true for his futanari characters who do not have pussies yet are referred to as futa. I gave Dmitry leeway in describing Peach as a trap because Peach does fit those most basic descriptors for defining traps. No one said that traps couldn't look starkly like women. In fact, the terminology "traps" implies that they should. I was relaying my own preference in how I choose to perceive these characters. However, I'm not dictating that everyone should see these characters as I do, and I'm fine with how Dmitry labels his traps as long as his characters feature appearances reflected by the label.

There are strict concepts even in regards to fantasy that help us designate these important differences between futa, traps, and shemales. Your own fantasies about these things shouldn't overwrite that. Dmitry's fantasies about futa having no pussies shouldn't overwrite their category as anatomical females with dicks. He's forcing his own preferences in attempts to redefine the label which is why even you admitted that he's calling them a third gender (or some shit) of futanari. He's drawing traps or possibly even "dickgirls" which is a word that doesn't imply hermaphroditism. Plain and simple.

So regarding that image with the tits
Are all of the people like that? Do they all just have pretty faces and slap the tits on?

>>7409581
>I gave Dmitry leeway in describing Peach as a trap because Peach does fit those most basic descriptors for defining traps.
>I gave Dmitry leeway
You massive pompous twat, you have no ability to give leeway in this situation, and cannot control nor have a say in what artists label their characters as. Nobody gives a shit if "Your fine with how Dmitry labels his traps" because you are fucking unimportant and have absolutely no influence over anyone or anything but yourself.

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maybe the edit-anon can save this thread from drowning in whiny faggots

>>7406483
>>7409385
Yep, he really has to be realistic about the amount of time for the money he is willing to pay. That's not the animators fault

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>>7410476

I was critiquing Dmitry's labels which permitted me to discern distinctions with his labels which he has largely blurred to his own admission. This is art. I have just as much power as Dmitry claims to have- the only difference here is that Dmitry assumes too much power. Not me.

His traps fit the broader definition of traps. This is basic reason. His futa do not. I posted an image where his so-called "dmitry's futa" couldn't in the slightest perform as a futa does. His futa do not have engorged clits, multiple dicks, pussies, and/or the ability to be impregnated. They have NONE of those things which are staples within the futa concept. They may as well be traps, shemales, or dickgirls. Dmitry can't produce any real distinction between his futa and the rest. As I said before this is his arrogance, if you want to use the word, in trying to take the popularity of one concept and dismantle it to fit his own preferences.

The leeway I gave Dmitry was in the context regarding my use of logic. It's reason that gives him that leeway regarding his traps. However, that leeway does not carry over into his use of the futa label.

Overall, you just sound really butthurt about the prospect you've been jacking it to really, REALLY pretty dudes this whole time. Get over it.

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>>7409565
I don't have to prove the majority is with me in not caring about Dmitrys application of labels, because if it wasn't they'd be bitching like you are now. The fact nobody seems to care all that much about Dmitrys labeling from his site, to his characters, to the watermark plastered on his work shows most of his fans don't really care that his futas don't have vaginas.

How exactly is what I'm saying made up? Dmitrys sees his futas as a third gender of females with male junk. Here, right from the horse's mouth.
https://dmitrysfutadotcom.tumblr.com/post/122603143815/where-do-your-futa-characters-come-from-are-they
https://dmitrysfutadotcom.tumblr.com/post/123874013730/are-your-horse-futas-also-born-that-way-or-are
https://dmitrysfutadotcom.tumblr.com/post/138080656115/do-you-have-any-shemale-nazi-babes-drawn

And again you ignore the very apt comparison to cuntboys given they're the polar opposite of vaginaless futanari, yet nobody questions their male sex.

>>7409581
Dmitrys is hardly the only person making these kinds of futas. I understand you have aesthetic preferences, but that doesn't override things you don't like. His futanari are simply women with dicks. It's really that simple. The quickest way to convey the idea of a natural chick with a natural dick is through the term futanari, because it stands in contrast to the transgender connotation of shemale. That's the whole reason the term became popular in the first place and why it exists as a loanword. Use dickgirl if you like, just don't expect everyone to follow your vernacular.

>>7410472
No, that's just Peach with the fake tits since he's a trap. The redheaded character is another trap owned by another artist and the inspiration for the fake tits idea.

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>>7411038
>>7411038
>Dmitrys is hardly the only person making these kinds of futas. I understand you have aesthetic preferences, but that doesn't override things you don't like. His futanari are simply women with dicks

You imbecile. This isn't my preference. I'm describing actual futa. Dmitry, himself described the reason of this not including his "futa" with pussies because of its aesthetic. It's not "my vernacular" either. How can you know that Dmitry said it himself that he's creating a 3rd type of futanari (he's not, they're actually dickgirls, traps, or shemales) and TELL ME that I'm the outlier here? It's such bullshit. You're argument has been thoroughly destroyed throughout this entire thread on each point regarding dmitry's futa either fulfilling the role of futa or his futa being the more popular version, neither of which are true. And you even tried to make the point while admitting that Dmitry prefers HIMSELF the exclusion of pussies on his dickgirls despite his wanting to label them as futa.

It's total bullshit. There's literally no physical difference between Dmitry's futa and his traps outside of how they identify themselves which is total bullshit.

Let's take this character for example. [see image] I don't think there's a character profile for him/her. So which gender is this character, but first pretend you know nothing about Dmitry's bs labels. Is he/her a futa, shemale, or trap?

Pls answer this question.

>>7411038
>>7411038
>I don't have to prove the majority is with me in not caring about Dmitrys application of labels, because if it wasn't they'd be bitching like you are now. The fact nobody seems to care all that much about Dmitrys labeling from his site, to his characters, to the watermark plastered on his work shows most of his fans don't really care that his futas don't have vaginas.

Wrong! Most people just want shit to fap to. If they're anything like myself, I'm not going to hassle the artist about his mislabeling after he admits his divergence from the futa genre. Many of us just want him to keep producing excellent fap material.

>>7402044
>each will always be my beautiful futa woman

But he's not a hermaphrodite.

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>>7411104
So you care enough to shit up a thread dedicated to the artist but not enough to tell him yourself?

>>7411098
>How can you know that Dmitry said it himself that he's creating a 3rd type of futanari (he's not, they're actually dickgirls, traps, or shemales) and TELL ME that I'm the outlier here? It's such bullshit.
I didn't say he's creating a type of futanari, I said he considers his futanari a third sex of females with male genitalia. They're not male or regular female to him and I'm perfectly fine to go along with that explanation given I've seen plenty of art fall into the same kind of niche. I posted links to his blog where he said as much, which you ignored, just like you ignored and keep ignoring the similar train of logic behind cuntboys because it's a quick and simple argument to show how silly it is to default with considering all of these characters shemales or traps because they lack a pussy. You wouldn't do the same with a burly cuntboy, but you're doing it here for some reason.

There are physical differences too. His futas undergo regular female puberty. Again, compare Emily & Scarlett to Peach & Courtney. All the same general age, while the former two are futas and grew tits, the latter two are male traps and have not. This fits in with the Katherine series that showed her growing up as a futanari from the start. There was no point of transition because she was, as Dmitrys himself put it in those links, like that from birth.

I would call that character you just posted a futanari. Whether that futa had a pussy or not you wouldn't be able to tell from that angle anyway. Given Dmitrys has only draw actual transgender shemales for lofty commissions I think I'd be safe calling her a futa too.

what the hell ? I left for two days and come back to see this thread turned literally to shit throwing contest.
Suddenly this is just like the old days.

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>>7411190
>I said he considers his futanari a third sex of females with male genitalia

Keep going, anon. With the power of blind denial and making shit up, you can win this fight!

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>>7411292
Click on the links here >>7411038 and read them. Third sex in his own words. Doesn't draw shemales in his own words. Born that way in his own words.

Fuck off with this willful ignorance.

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>>7411300
Oh, right, willful ignorance, I almost forgot. With that, you've got the trifecta, anon. I believe in you.

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>>7411308
Now you're just being pissy because you didn't actually expect me to prove the "third sex," thing right. Go throw a sore loser tantrum somewhere else.

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>>7411312
>prove

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>>7411190
>>7411038
>links
>dmitry, where do your futa characters come from? Are they born that way or modified?
>they are born that way
>Are your horse futas also born that way or are they modified?
>born that way
>do you have any shemale nazi babes drawn
>I do not draw shemales or supporters of National Socialism. I do draw futanari who dress in outfits inspired by military or police uniforms.

It's almost hilarious at this point if it wasn't so idiotic. I imagine that his futa are all birthed by non-transgendered, anatomically correct females with actual vaginas which further implicates his futa even more as not performing like actual futa.

>>7411190
>>7411190
>I would call that character you just posted a futanari.

Wrong. I told you to make a judgment based on your pretending to know nothing of Dmitry's labels. The real answer to this question is: there's no way to tell. And I gave you the example that parallels the concept of cuntboys in that the concept exists in the same framework of giving one gender whose overall appearance remains in contrast with their genitalia: dickgirls. It is not futanari. Futa implies hermaphroditism: the possession of both sexes' fully functioning genitalia.

>>7411312
Hi, different Anon here. I've got a question. So, the artist thinks of a 3rd gender that just so happens to be a person that has male junk and body proportions of a female, right? Can they still get pregnant?

why do you idiots care how these dickgirls are born?

go fuckoff somewhere else if you care about MUH TRANNY BURTH so much. fucking cancer

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>>7411340
If it's so idiotic go tell him that instead of throwing a passive-aggressive whinefest here. Again, how are you a fan if you're willing to go to this degree of semantic of kvetching when he's been doing this with his futanari (the bulk of his erotic content) for a decade now?

I'd call that character a futa even if I were ignorant to Dmitrys' labels because, again, I've seen other artists do the same thing. You can't ask me what I'd call the character and then shout wrong like you're the arbiter of what someone gets to base their first impressions on or allowed to enforce semantic rules you yourself are guilty of breaking. I even mentioned you wouldn't be able to tell anyway, the exact answer you're telling me I should have came up with. Where does someone get this kind of arrogance?

>>7411325
Posting links to Dmitrys' blog where he says in plain English his futa characters are a third gender isn't proving the idea his futa characters are a third gender?

>>7411348
>different Anon
Forgive me for viewing that with a shit load of salt and skepticism. Emphasizing pregnancy was a recurring point in the other anon's diatribes and I've never seen anyone put so much weight on something that's not even a requirement for genetic females since plenty of them are infertile.

But to give you the benefit of the doubt, yes, the artist considers his futanari to be a third gender of females with male genitalia. No, they can't get pregnant.

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>>7411363
>>7411363
>I even mentioned you wouldn't be able to tell anyway, the exact answer you're telling me I should have came up with.

No, you settled on calling that character a futa though the correct answer did grace your mind at some point.

This shit isn't semantic. They're measurable quantitative differences, plus or minuses in appearance between futa, dickgirls, traps, and shemales. It's called "Dmitry's futa" in a way to qualify his creations outside of how futa are actually defined. If he wants to do this, I can't stop him, but no one should be confused about what he's actually doing. They're dickgirls and traps that look like shemales. Removing pussies from futa is impossible given how futa are defined. It's saying "this character who is female that has the genitalia of both sexes does not have a vagina." Did you hear the contradiction in there? That's what you sound like. That's what Dmitry sounds like. I don't have to be upset about this because his creations are his own. He can be as contradictory and nonsensical as much as he likes- take a bucket of piss and call it Granny's peach tea. I can't stop him, but that doesn't force me to accept the ridiculousness of his approach and argue on his behalf as though his labels make sense. I'm not going to drink it.

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>>7411408
Did you just quote Batman Vs Superman and expect to get away with it? That's hilarious.

Funny how you're suddenly allowing the possibility of dickgirls in your categorization when before it was just shemales, traps, and futas. What changed your mind, Lex? I'm sure Dmitrys is thrilled you're allowing him to do as he likes despite your authority not agreeing with his terminology. The same freedom that allows him to do so allows anyone to go along with it. If you're not going to whine about it to him, you're in no more a position to whine about it with anyone else. Either it's right or it's not, this position is nothing but pussyfooting cowardice to give yourself a green light to act like a sanctimonious twat to anyone who disagrees while ignoring the source of your supposed problem.

The fact we're having this argument at all shows it is semantic, no matter how much you try and pull that Dwight Schrute routine.

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>>7411465

I don't have to war with everyone that says or does stupid shit to see through the world's retarded beliefs and opinions and I can voice my objections whenever I choose. In fact, that argument is so irrelevant to this discussion.

>The same freedom that allows him to do so allows anyone to go along with it.

Yeah, it's a shame that no one can stop you from doing/saying stupid shit, but you have that freedom. This doesn't change the fact that objectivity exists in the world no matter what you choose to believe.

>>7411482
So what exactly was the point of you continuing this conversation passed the point of "You're not going to change my mind,"? Nobody ever asked you to accept anything, in fact you were the one asserting yourself on others and playing label police. Why not just say "You're stupid," and go about your day instead of drag it out like you have if you actually believe in your convictions here? I think you're simply walking back a position that you could tell was full of palpable arrogance, sanctimony, and general assholery, especially when you're implying there's a "correct," answer to a first impression that could depend on anyone's variables. Unless of course you expect everyone to just look at a character like >>7411098 and honestly keep their opinion solely at "can't tell." "Can't tell," always goes hand in hand with a, "so I'll go with X."

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>>7411534

What part of
>I can voice my objections whenever I choose
don't you understand?

I also thought the conversation might be interesting given I was curious as to how many people that still follow Dmitry threads after all these years are of the same opinion as you which doesn't appear to be too many.

Here you go, m8. Enjoy some real futa for a change since I'm being prevented from posting Dmitry because of copyright protections and my fear of getting b8.

>>7399134
Would love this as a brunette hair color with glasses

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>>7411602
Doesn't really look like anyone too your side either. People tend to shy away from long-winded arguments on porn boards. Be honest, you didn't think the conversation was going to be "interesting." You weren't "curious," about anything. You just wanted to play label cop and be a giant asshole at the same time.

There really isn't any difference between Dmitrys using the labels he does and his fans choosing to accept them, but you've created this false distinction between the two where its OK to bitch at one but not the other. I'm going to keep calling Dmitrys futas futanari. You're going to keep being an insufferable twat spamming Dmitrys threads with unrelated content while simultaneously and impotently whining about labels but too cowardly to actually do anything about it. Good talk.

>>7411759
That character typically has more of a brownish hair color in his other pictures.

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>>7412592
>Doesn't really look like anyone too your side either.

LoL @ your delusions. I would go through and quote each person in this thread that didn't side with you which was practically everyone, but I'll let the thread speak for itself.

>>7412592
>Be honest, you didn't think the conversation was going to be "interesting." You weren't "curious," about anything.

I wouldn't be wasting my time speaking here if I were disinterested- though, it's arguable whether my interests are a waste of time.

>>7412592
>You just wanted to play label cop and be a giant asshole at the same time.

I was "corrected" when I mentioned that Peach was a futa despite that being how I choose to perceive him. I was wrong. I knew that I was wrong, and I admitted that I was wrong. Concurrently, people that think Dmitry is drawing futa are also wrong. As the other anon did with me, I chose to voice a correction of the misperception that "Dmitry's futa" are actually futa and relay that Dmitry's adopting labels because they sound cool. Have you noticed that "futa" is a japanese word, yet Dmitry's art looks nothing like japanese artwork? Hmm. Maybe he just doesn't like how "Dmitry's Dickgirls" sound.

>false distinction
ha! more delusions.

When I want dickgirls, I come to Dmitry. When I want futa, I clearly have to search elsewhere. No one's going to say that females with dicks and vagina's aren't futanari or female. They're not going to do it because the word itself correctly describes the female have both sexes' genitals accurately. It's only when retards like yourself shows up to the futa conference with shitloads of images of dickgirls, traps and shemales that we even have to have this debate.

So feel free to escape back into your hole completely oblivious where futa don't exist and you masturbate exclusively to traps. Enjoy.

>[see image] oops dmitry accidently draws peach as a shemale this time around

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>>7412592

Also let me reiterate the futanari are fantasy. They do not exist in real life. They are women with fully functioning dicks, multiple dicks, and pussies. They do not exist.

>men or boys that look like girls/traps

EXIST

>men or boys that transition into something akin to women/shemales

EXIST

>men that look similar to women AND identify as women/dickgirls

EXIST

>females with fully functioning dual sex genitalia

DO NOT EXIST

Understand these distinctions. It could save your life.

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>>7412624
>practically everyone
You samefagging doesn't count as everyone and don't for a moment pretend you weren't. Just like this laughable attempt here >>7411348. Yeah, a brand new anon shows up to an argument full of text walls and just so happens to emulate an argument you were pushing the whole time. Get real. Stop insulting people's intelligence.

If you thought for a moment Peach was a futa, despite all the "male, he, his, him," uses around him then you are in no position to lecture anyone on what is or isn't a futanari. Period. It's also extremely hilarious you think someone who isn't Japanese or using a Japanese style isn't allowed to use a loanword. Dmitrys isn't the only artist that does this outside Japan, not by a long shot.

You didn't understand the point of my quip about distinctions. There's no difference between allowing Dmitrys to use his labels and others adopting them, yet you're sperging out on the latter while turning a blind eye to the former. Hypocrisy. Cowardice. Impotent whining. If you wanted it to stop you'd go to the source of the problem. Instead you're doing this passive-aggressive kvetching bullshit at his fans while sparing him when they're both doing the same thing.

>>7412651
>traps exist
And?
>transgender shemales exist
And?
>transgenders that identify as women exist
And?
>females with dual sexes don't exist
And?

I know futanari don't exist in real life. Women born with dicks don't exist in real life, yet none of that has any bearing on Dmitrys characters being exactly that does it?

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>>7412624
And you know what, I suddenly understand why you're pulling this hard futanari definition argument. You saw Peach as a futa despite all the evidence to the contrary and when someone shattered that you went full "If I can't have it, no one can," mode to tear down the concept of his other characters being futanari in pure spite.

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>>7412711
>>7412711
>If you thought for a moment Peach was a futa, despite all the "male, he, his, him," uses around him then you are in no position to lecture anyone on what is or isn't a futanari.

I never thought that Peach was futa. I've always known him to be a trap. I chose to perceive him as futa. Do you not understand the difference?!

>>7412711
>You samefagging

Why in the FUCK would I samefag when I'm trying to have an honest discussion with your dumbass? Ugh, you only insult your own intelligence with the accusation.

>>7412711
>There's no difference between allowing Dmitrys to use his labels and others adopting them, yet you're sperging out on the latter while turning a blind eye to the former.

And you don't seem to understand that retarded people can be retarded. I can't stop them. My objections can't change the fact that they're retarded, however, retarded people should not affect how things are objectively defined and seen by non-retarded people.

>>7412711
>Women born with dicks don't exist in real life

There are men that identify as women in real life born with penises while looking nearly exactly like women. I get what you're saying, but in this way, those men are no different than dmitry's dickgirls. You're actually arguing semantics on this one.

>>7412720
Does it matter when I'm only telling you the truth? Did it matter when someone corrected my comments here >>7402044
and here >>7406649
and here >>7406681 and here >>7406723 when I was merely jesting about Peach being a girl?

Sorry, not sorry that I subsequently broke your illusions after a bit of fun banter about Peach being a girl.

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>>7412743
You knew he was a trap, but perceived him to be a futa? You have any idea how stupidly self-contradictory that sounds? You're not using perceive correctly there. Interpret is a better word.

No idea why you'd samefag, but it was obvious given all the arguments fed to me had similar syntax and all hinged on the same things.

>And you don't seem to understand that retarded people can be retarded. I can't stop them. My objections can't change the fact that they're retarded, however, retarded people should not affect how things are objectively defined and seen by non-retarded people.
No, but you choose to endlessly whine and bitch at one group while sparing the person who is influencing said group. In fact, if you care so much about "retarded people," not affecting how things are seen, that's even more reason for you to take this complaint to Dmitrys since he's the one pushing the art those "retarded," fans accept the labeling of.

And no, it's not an argument of semantics. Those people are born regular men and males. They have to undergo surgery and/or hormones to resemble women. Dmitrys characters and an extremely passable pre-op transgender person might share resemblance, but that doesn't make them the same thing just because you can't see those very clear distinctions between real life and a made up fantasy with no reality based analogue.

You didn't break any illusions. The characters are still futanari to me and your arguments have done nothing to shake that position. And did you see Peach as a futa or a girl? Your story keeps wavering on the details here. Might want to get it straight.

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>>7412753
>>7412753
>You knew he was a trap, but perceived him to be a futa? You have any idea how stupidly self-contradictory that sounds? You're not using perceive correctly there. Interpret is a better word.

>perceive
>1. become aware or conscious of (something); come to realize or understand.
>2. interpret or look on (someone or something) in a particular way; regard as.

Maybe you should try to understand how perception actually works.

>>7412753
>And no, it's not an argument of semantics. Those people are born regular men and males. They have to undergo surgery and/or hormones to resemble women.

Not all of them simply because there androgynous individuals born of both sexes.

>>7412753
>And did you see Peach as a futa or a girl? Your story keeps wavering on the details here. Might want to get it straight.

First off, knowing that Peach is neither a futa or a girl, I wanted to perceive Peach as whatever I wanted to fit my attraction and the narrative I've had for him in my head. I typically see Peach as a "her" not a him which conflicts with Dmitry's labeling because Peach is a male. As I'm more interested in futa, so I could even imagine Peach to be one despite the obvious detail that he isn't one. I'm morphing, distorting, and ignoring details about these characters' anatomy and identity to help fit my own perceptions of what's I view as attractive. Dmitry is doing this too, but I never got lost to the reality (as you and Dmitry have) that I was in fact distorting what these things are so they could accommodate my preferences.

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>>7412775
Perceive has objective connotations tied to it. The first definition reflects this. The second lines up with the way you're using it and that's because it's using subjective interpretation. You should have used interpretation. Much clearer verbiage.

Androgynous males are traps. Taking hormones and/or undergoing surgery to more resemble a natural women makes them transgender/shemale. The point remains. None of these men are born looking anything like the end result. None of them undergo a female puberty and only with surgery and hormones can a tiny tiny few even come close to resembling anything like what Dmitrys' futas look like. Dmitrys' futas are fantasy. They don't have real life analogues, because natural girls aren't born with natural dicks.

Do you realize how much of a hypocrite you are with this Peach delusion? You made up this fantasy despite the creator and all conventions flying against it, and then when others label Dmitrys other characters futanari, something he himself does, something that other artists do, something that lines up much more with the nature of these beings of pure fantasy with no reality-based counterpart, you whine and bitch about people giving into their "head canons." The people calling Dmitrys futanari characters exactly that know they're fantasy. Why you think applying reality's terminology to characters that are pure fantasy is anyone's guess. A good number of them have animal parts for fuck's sake.

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>>7412799
>Perceive has objective connotations tied to it.

I gave you the definitions. You were wrong and I'm moving on to your next ridiculous position.

Androgyny creates this category of individuals that can be viewed as either men or women regardless of their sex. It is within this spectrum where men, without any outside factors, can be perceived as women similarly as those women within this spectrum could be perceived as men. They are the convergence of what's typically viewed as characteristics represented by either sex thus men look like women and women look like men. That's what androgyny is which creates the ambiguity and it's all natural.

>>7412799
>Dmitrys' futas are fantasy. They don't have real life analogues, because natural girls aren't born with natural dicks.

Bla bla. There's no physical difference between his futa and real life shemales.

>b-but he says they're all naturally born a-and..

Who cares? I don't.

>>7412799
>you whine and bitch about people giving into their "head canons."

I'm glad you admit Dmitry's simply giving into his head canon. This should've been obvious given how futanari are defined.

>>7412799
>A good number of them have animal parts for fuck's sake.

I'm not even touching this.

Please kill yourselves. How the fuck are you able to put the time and effort to argue about meaningless shit.

How the fuck can you be this autist about fucking fetishes holy fuck

>>7408855
I think I might have a salient point regarding the cuntboy comparison. A cuntboy is a boy, /except/ that they have a cunt. It is being argued that since a cuntboy can still be a boy while lacking a penis and possessing a vagina that a futanari can be a girl despite lacking a vagina and possessing a penis. This is all very reasonable so long as these are the only two categories being compared. However, I do not think the comparison applies. A futanari is not a girl who just so happens to have a dick /instead/ of a pussy. A futanari is, very strictly, a female who has a penis /in addition to/ her other parts. We can make this distinction absolute by referring to a term that already exists that fulfills the cuntboy comparison, which is the dickgirl. A cuntboy is a boy who has a cunt instead. A dickgirl is a girl who has a dick instead. Dmitry draws dickgirls. Dmitry does not draw futanari. He calls dickgirls futanari, but he is mistaken.

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Man what's wrong with all you guys.
This shit is fucking fantasy that's all.
Futa are like unicorns.
The reason that people love futa is that it embodies both the male and female energies.
>A huge throbbing cock and big balls signifies high levels of testosterone, even the non muscular futa have to have some to get their dicks up nice and tight.
>Really large and juicy tits sometimes lactating (high level's of estrogen)
Sometimes droopy like those for nurturing.
This combination makes this fetish highly sexual. That's the reason why guys who like futa are not gay but hyper sexualized. Real horny fuckers.

>>7415100
>futas are like unicorns
jesus lol cant say i disagree

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>>7412820
You gave me two definitions, the first of which didn't reinforce your point. The second did and it just so happened to include the idea and synonym I said you should have used. You were wrong. This other useless bit about androgyny is exactly that, useless. Androgynous men who dress up like women are simply traps. Taking any other stance removes that label.

There is physical differences, you're just ignoring them because they contradict your argument. Real life shemales only get that way through massive amounts of surgery and hormones. They can't take on animal parts, nor can they change their skeletal structure to resemble natural women. Resembling something =/= it is that thing. And I'm glad you still have the arrogance to assume you not caring about something means nobody else does. Fellate yourself a little bit more next time.

I didn't admit to anything, I put "head canon," in quotes to quote your words while calling into question their veracity. It's a shorthand version of "supposedly," or "so-called." This is obvious and you're ignoring it because you're getting petty.

And yes, I know you're not going to touch the animal parts, because that point completely destroys your argument that his characters resembling real life shemales somehow equates them. You're whining and crying about the realistic categorization of characters with horsedicks, tails, and ears, some of whom naturally transformed to get there. You're going to ignore all of this because it invalidates everything you're bitching about.

>>7412853
Thing is, he wasn't making that argument. He was going straight to shemale and only started bringing up the dickgirl category after this point had been made and destroyed his endless comparison to shemales. He shifted goalposts.

Dickgirl and futanari both apply to fantastical chicks with dicks, so it's not strange to see those two frequently conflated by those who like both, versus the term shemale's tie-in with IRL transgenderism.

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>>7415943
>You gave me two definitions, the first of which didn't reinforce your point. The second did and it just so happened to include the idea and synonym I said you should have used. You were wrong.

There's nothing that encapsulates this conversation better than your understanding of the definition of perception. You critiqued my use of the word and after it's revealed that my usage of the word was correct, you decide to write some dribble explaining that my usage was wrong. This is truly absurd. Perception also doesn't hinge on objectivity. Your perception is molded and determined by your senses and possibly even delusions. It can change in a heartbeat solely based on how you choose to see things. Objectivity exists outside of perceptions just like the definition of futa.

>>7415943
>He was going straight to shemale and only started bringing up the dickgirl category after this point had been made and destroyed his endless comparison to shemales

I told you before that the focus of my argument wasn't about distinctions between shemales, traps, dickgirls, or whatever else. The focus that I maintained was the difference between futa and those other categories which I think was maintained simply on the basis regarding anatomical structure. Have your argument about dickgirls, shemales, traps and distinctions regarding all that other shit if you want but understand the separation of futa into it's own category that doesn't include those others remains well defined.

All in all, this conversation has been pointless simply because I've been arguing with an idiot. I thought at some point you might be able to get beyond your own hubris, ignorance, and bloviating, but that's not the case. You've been insulting me this entire time, but I'm going to finish this just as I should have earlier by just saying that you're fucking stupid.

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>>7416303
>>7416315
Your objectivity spiel counts double for you given you've done exactly the same, and yet while I was supposedly doing it with a completely fantastical term for a made up fetish, you were doing it with a term that applies to things that actually exist. Stretching the term shemale to encompass anything that you think resembles one despite that term applying to real things and only in the context of transgender people is ten times the egregious offense of doing similar to a fantasy term that already applies to multitudes of physiological variances.

You don't get to play that objectivity and realism game with a bunch of characters based on their parts, especially when they have animal parts. It's as silly as trying to correct people on the proper physiological realities of a centaur when they simply do not exist.

You're contradicting yourself by saying the argument was about the difference you hold futanari to possess over those other terms while at the same time saying it's not about distinctions. The distinction is the whole argument, and given you've shown that you don't care about distinctions between those other terms at all and are happy to loop them all together simply because "all looks the same to me," you're in no position to lecture anyone about the distinctions between them and futanari. Either you care about them or you don't, can't pick and choose.

And yes, it has been pointless. Nothing was gain. We've wasted each others time and thoroughly pissed off anyone else in this thread who didn't want to see this stupid argument keep going. You might not think you were insulting, but the sheer arrogance and inflated opinion of your own egotistical view was an insult unto itself. Next time do exactly that, say "You're fucking stupid," and call it a day without wasting your and everyone else's time and energy.

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I'll leave this here for those of you who suffered through this awful discussion.

>>7416477
So that we can suffer through low bitrate, highly mechanical animations, too?

Wait why is everyone debating this shit. Just get off and move on.

>>7410838

Does anyone have the unedited version of this? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

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>>7417196

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Fresh update, get it before it 404s :^)

Regards from 8

>>7412651


>identify

this has LESS than no meaning in this context out of a schizophrenic one

>>7410909

>which permitted me

*smirk*

>>7411300
>Doesn't draw shemales in his own words.

ooops, thats one declaration of his that is impossible, for reality trumps what he wishes to arbitrarily redefine on-the-fly.

Whatever else he may say or do, his character are all (almost) shemales (albeit on massive hormone therapy, etc

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>>7417520
Even the other anon had a better argument in solely pointing to their anatomy. You're just straight up fabricating backstories and circumstances to reinforce that stupid argument. Point to where he's said any of them are on hormones. I can point to where he's said he doesn't draw shemales and his characters aren't transgender.

Again so people like you can understand. Animal. Parts. You lose any right to whine and bitch about his characters and whatever supposed analogues based in reality you choose to identify them as once you start ignoring that half of them have literal animal endowments. Unless you can point me to a real life shemale that didn't have to undergo surgery or hormones to grow tits and a horsedick, shut the fuck up.

>>7417572
>still at it
>still full of shit

Keep going, anon. Maybe you'll convince us. Maybe you'll convince us that bananas are actually corned beef, while you're at it.

>>7417361

Thank you good sir.

Wtf is even going on with Sasha at this point? She's just a forever hostage inside that milking plant or something.

What happened to that Elodie poll awhile back ?

Did he ever finish up that pic ?

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>>7417968
Oh quit your passive-aggressive whining because you have no refuting argument. Point to where they've been stated or shown to be transgender shemales or post a link to a real life horsegirl who got that way naturally. Until then, shut the fuck up already.

>>7418065
The one with the poll on her pubic hair style? No idea if he finished that. He seems to be juggling a lot of different things at once here. He has a tendency of starting projects and dropping them halfway through.

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>>7418392

This anon argument:
>for a man to become a shemale with feminine features, he has to have undergone some procedure
>proclaims shemales within fantasy must've undergone procedures

>for a man to be a trap, he must be a boy that cross dresses as a girl
>proclaims that within fantasy, a trap cannot be anything beyond a boyish figure inclined to dress like a girl or woman

Notice the limitations or restrictions placed on these concepts within a fantasy by this anon while their concepts have no a priori relationship to how he's characterized them thus ruling out shemales that behave or look like traps or vise versa. However, on the subject of futanari, this anon defines it loosely in terms that break away from it's actual meaning: hermaphroditic.

Saying futanari are hermaphroditic or that they possess both male and female genitalia is true by definition like the phrase "all bachelors are unmarried."

Saying that futanari have singular genitalia despite it's hermaphroditic characteristic is a non sequitur. It's an invalid statement and largely meaningless.

>horsegirl and other fantasy creatures

This example is irrelevant. Anything that doesn't exist in real life is clearly fantasy, but even their concepts have been defined clearly- a horsegirl is not the same thing as a dragon for example. Even in fantasy, human characters are not equated with elves and orcs. One concept cannot simply be blended in with another without becoming something else entirely or else the concept becomes ambiguous. Futanari is not an ambiguous concept.

>>7418392
oh yeah, so you don't think that i'm samefagging, i'm this anon >>7418445
>>7416315 (You)
that wanted to give this shit up after calling you fucking stupid.

fug...

>>7418445
...? Trap literally means "passable as a chick, but has a dick." The term originates from people posting tit picks of shemales in straight threads on /b/, then when someone would ask for more or the sauce people would post a picture of admiral ackbar warning them that it was a trap... that the person had a dick.

So saying that a trap is something different than a shemale is a gross misunderstanding of the term.

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I have developed a new fetish, what's he watching?

>>7418026
I think in this case, Sasha's story/orgins seems to have been rebooted, whether or not She was always a cow girl or just well endowed futa captured by rustlers is unknown

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>>7419093
It would be cool if she now has a submissive personality to go with her story being rebooted.

>>7407877
Dear God I love Uno makoto

>>7406716
explains the normal penis

>>7419081
sesame street?

>>7418392
You've been refuted several times, though. Since you've said yourself that you won't change your mind no matter how wrong you are, I'm just making fun of you at this point.

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>>7419015
>>7419015
>So saying that a trap is something different than a shemale is a gross misunderstanding of the term.

I'm agreeing with you. This anon here >>7418392
also said >>7408596
>>7408596
>Traps are boys in drag.
>Futanari are women with dicks.
>Shemales are male-to-female transgenders.

basically commenting that shemales and traps exist within this very limited framework while futanari's practically anything with a dick that's "genetically" (his word) a female.

>>7419015

>The term originates from people posting tit picks of shemales in straight threads on /b/, then when someone would ask for more or the sauce people would post a picture of admiral ackbar warning them that it was a trap... that the person had a dick.

Thanks for the history lesson. I wasn't aware of this.

>>7419081
Bustin Jeiber music videos

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>>7418445
There's a very simple distinction you're ignoring. Shemales exist and anything with that categorization is influenced by that fact. Futanari and dickgirls do not. They're already fantasy and the former already pertains to multiple physiological variances. You can be looser with the definitions of a lamia or the appearance of Medusa than you can the biology of a snake for example.

And no, the horsegirls aren't irrelevant. They expose how silly it is to try and paint his characters with a term based in reality due to their parts while they're simultaneously growing equine genitalia. The horsegirls aren't a different race, they're as human as all the others. If you're going to argue these characters lacking vaginas means they must be transgender shemales per the rules of reality, then you must explain why they're growing animal dicks in the same context. You obviously can't, because that's a physical impossibility, which throws your entire argument into disarray, so you're choosing to once again ignore the inconvenience.

>>7418469
Didn't want it that hard enough though did you?

>>7419506
Ah I see, it's one of those "I totally don't care, but I'm still responding," type posts. That fools nobody.

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>>7419755
>>7419755
>There's a very simple distinction you're ignoring. Shemales exist and anything with that categorization is influenced by that fact. Futanari and dickgirls do not.

Futanari which is basically the japanese and better sounding word for hermaphrodite do exist. The concept that turns them into women with fully functioning dual sex genitalia does not exist. The word itself is merely a description of an individual's genital characteristics. It does not necessarily pertain to his/her gender which is why futanari became popularized as women with fully functioning genitalia from both males and females. When people then go on to create characters that have horse dicks, cat ears, tails, and whatever else while having them also possess both male and female genitalia, these characters still exist within the framework of hermaphroditic. The moment the hermaphroditic characteristic of these individuals is lost is also the moment when these characters become something outside of the hermaphroditic/futanari concept since the concept essentially, in its barest parts means having the sex organs of males and females.

>>7419755
>If you're going to argue these characters lacking vaginas means they must be transgender shemales per the rules of reality, then you must explain why they're growing animal dicks in the same context.

See previous paragraph about futa merely being the description of a creature's possession of male and female sex organs.

>The horsegirls aren't a different race, they're as human as all the others.

If they were as human as all the others, Dmitry wouldn't have needed to associate their gender with a beast i.e. "horse"girl, but even with this example, despite their having horse-like dicks, tails, and ears, Dmitry still labels them as futanari because futanari is still more of a genital characteristic than a gender characteristic regardless of his misuse of the term. Irritating. Dmitry is merging all this shit w/o admitting its merger.

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>>7419816
Futanari do not exist, period. They are entirely the realm of fantasy. Hermaphrodites do exist, but they're nowhere close to what futanari are. Real life hermaphrodites are neutrally androgynous, frequently sterile, impotent, and often have stunted sexual organs due to conflicting hormonal development. Futanari on the other hand are chimeric combinations of extremely over-developed sexual parts from both sexes. Hermaphrodites are the color purple, neither blue nor red. Futanari are a blue circle with a splotch of red in the center. There's a grand canyon sized chasm of difference between the two. Futanari as they're depicted do not exist.

All your spiel about ignoring the horsegirls amounts to is carefully choosing which parts are worth basing your argument around and which aren't, because you're fine basing the entirety of your argument around the existence, (or nonexistence) of some parts while others that throw those comparisons to reality out of left field are an inconvenience to be ignored. Again, you look silly making the argument these things are the real life analogue you connect them to while they're growing parts no human being can. Your entire basis of defaulting to the authority of reality is moot at that point.

Nice of you to drop the pretense that you were done with this by the way. I knew that ego wasn't going anywhere.

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>>7419857

>There's a very simple distinction you're ignoring. Shemales exist and anything with that categorization is influenced by that fact.

It's the same case for futanari. Their existence is maintained by their having male and female genitals- everything else about them stem from this foundation such that they couldn't be confused with shemales. There's no real distinction between futa and shemales if futa aren't defined as having both male and female sex organs. Shemales who are obviously defined as men that look like women could have exaggerated feminine parts that easily fit your description of futanari as they too can be

>chimeric combinations of extremely over-developed sexual parts from both sexes

What maintains shemales as men is the existence of their dicks. You cannot have a shemale without the existence of their penis. All of these categories are based off real life examples of them. Dmitry isn't creating a 4th sex here. He's just blending those already in existence. What you're attempting to do by defining hermaphrodites as non-hermaphrodites is contradictory. Hermaphroditism creates the ambiguity of the male and female paradigm that allows the further imagining about their gender characteristics.

>>7419857
>Hermaphrodites are the color purple, neither blue nor red.

No. Hermaphroditism is defined as the existence of both male and female sex organs- both blue and red appearing in contrast with the other.

>Futanari on the other hand are chimeric combinations of extremely over-developed sexual parts from both sexes.

No. Futanari/Hermaphrodites is a genital description. As you wouldn't describe a penis as a vagina or a vagina as a penis, you can't describe something possessing either of those singularly as a hermaphrodite. You also couldn't describe something without the existence of penis and/or vagina a hermaphrodite either. Futanari = Hermaphrodite. There's no getting around this.

>>7419755
Of course I care. I wouldn't be poking fun at your blind ignorance if I didn't find your continued insistence that everyone in the world but you is wrong amusing.

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>>7398496
can we get this update pretty please?

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>>7394993

Anyone got a mega to all his work? My comp died a while back and I've been trying to resurrect my porn folder.

Hey guys, I know you have fun with your fetish, but I think the rest of us would appreciate if you used the right terms!

None of these men have vaginas, so they aren't futanari. A futanari is defined as having a vagina in addition to a penis (and a feminine body).

Thanks!

Fuck off you fucking idiotic autists futa = hermaphrodite = having a cunt. That is how the word is now go shit up somewhere else.

>>7421574
Kill yourself you dumb nigger.

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>>7419977
You didn't understand the point. As usual you didn't understand a single part of it and went off on an ego-stroking tangent.

Also...
>What maintains shemales as men is the existence of their dicks. You cannot have a shemale without the existence of their penis.
That is hilariously stupid. Shemales don't change their sex just because they get the junk lopped off.

I also never attempted to define hermaphrodites as non-hermaphrodites, I was talking about the existence of the futanari term outside its original Japanese context, which, whether you like it or not, has taken on its own connotations. That happens with foreign loanwords and there's not a single thing you or any other mentally stunted autist can do about it. If people outside Japan use it a certain way, that's how it's going to be used.

You also don't seem to know a single thing about hermaphroditism in humans given their sexual characteristics are often anything but contrasting. The hormonal conflicts they endure leave them with parts severely underdeveloped. They're the neutral middle of the gender slider, not a combination of the extremes like futanari are. It's not surprising you're playing definition autist given you show absolutely no capacity for anything but painfully literal thinking in every argument you make.

>>7420828
You care enough to pull this hilarious shit apparently. >>7421477 >>7421399 This is fucking sad. If you're going to do the "You're stupid, I'm right, nothing more to say," spiel then fucking commit to it instead of weaseling back in to satiate your ravenous arrogance. There is nothing more pathetic than someone who throws an "I'm done!" and snivels their ego back into the argument.

>>7421584
>multiple posts are disagreeing with me
>it must be samefaggotry!

Keep going, anon. You're convincing all the people.

>>7421623
Time quads confirm.

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>>7421584
>You didn't understand the point. As usual you didn't understand a single part of it and went off on an ego-stroking tangent.
>waaah, anon didn't stick to my sole definition of hermophroditism as the blurring of genitals in humans

As futanari simply means hermaphrodite in japanese, I can't say that the word only applies to humans. It may persist in a similar context as the word hermaphrodite does in english which is a descriptor for organisms that have both forms of male and female genitals. And given that we're talking about concepts carrying over into fantasy, there's no reason why hermaphroditism in humans couldn't be depicted as they are in futa and still be used as an example of hermaphroditism given the definition of the term. It's quite the opposite of saying that hermaphroditism can carry over into fantasy while being represented as something that defeats the meaning of the word- which is what you're doing.

>>7421584
>You didn't understand the point. As usual you didn't understand a single part of it and went off on an ego-stroking tangent.

Your point is simple. It's an ignorance of language and definitions in order to accommodate your "cool, new, and hip" interpretations. Again, futanari means nothing if it incorporates individuals that appear as individuals with a singular genitalia. We've already gone over how futa function differently from shemales, but you are consistently ignoring the impact of this clear distinction.

>That is hilariously stupid. Shemales don't change their sex just because they get the junk lopped off.
>What maintains shemales as men is the existence of their dicks. You cannot have a shemale without the existence of their penis.

I didn't think that I needed to add the caveat "existence of their penis at some point" but here we are- having to make unnecessary statements because some faggot wants to talk about genital mutilation to further his tragically misdirected argument.

>>7398496
Pretty please?

>>7403428
Another anon, would love the story too.

>>7419081
Sissy Hypno

>>7421867
>>7419081

>sissy hypno

please somebody make this happen!

>>7421379
I miss his horsecock futa stuff

>>7403481
the way the head of her penis smooshes up against the glass is divine dickery

>>7424148
When has he ever drawn a horsecock futa?
He's only drawn like one actual futa and she had a normal cock

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>>7425196
>He's only drawn like one actual futa and she had a normal cock

And she was like some throwaway character that we have never seen again.

>>7399338
guys im poor

anyone care to share the story?

>>7425908

>share the story?

THERE'S A FUCKING STORY?!?!?

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Is there more to this?

>>7425908
>>7425942
I mean i can get it but like how would I put it in the thread? its too lengthy

>>7425958
Pastebin would work (or are there pics attached to the stories?)

>>7421867
>>7421885
has anyone found a better sissy hypno than Deepslutpuppy 08?

>>7425983
its just the pic i posted and then the text story
https://pastebin.com/y0CsPmQm

>>7426031
thank you, kind anon

I will fap in your honor

>>7426031

yes, indeed, thank you. i concur with this anon here >>7426079

many faps in your honor, sir.

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>>7426031

I'm helping!

>>7426152
this is well done. Nice

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>>7426152
I just realised Joelle is by jjfrenchie

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>>7426152
>12 Pack of "Vibro Eggs"
>"Happy Pooper Grease"

Dmitrys should start his own signature line of toys & accessories based on things he's created in his artwork. I bet they would sell like crazy.
That and somebody like RealDoll needs to make a Dmitrys character lovedolls collection.
They'd probly sell a ton of 'em

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my favorite, Mihoshi looks real good in his style

>>7425196
>>7424148
He draws horsecock futa fairly regularly.

>>7425478
That's a commissioned OC.

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>>7421701
>>7421584
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>>7412775
Why cant you guys just jerk off to chicks with dicks like a regular sexual deviant instead of arguing about it in every single Dimtry thread i see

>>7428383
>porn board without austists arguing

>>7428405
true, guess im in the wrong here

>>7428408
>>7428383

it's an important debate about categories. if you wanted gummies and some idiot gave you hard candies, wouldn't you be upset? i know i would. i would be so upset. i'd eat those hard candies with such disdain. my brow would be all furrowed and i'd be so damn pouty that my cheeks would be puffy and red. i'd even growl a little bit-

anyway, this parallels when i'm searching for some sick futa fetish shit and someone posts your basic bitch dickgirl. i'll fap, but i won't be happy about it.

>>7428437
>important
No, it's really not. You're making excuses for thread wrecking autism.

>>7428464

this is a /d/mitrys thread. it was wrecked before it even started. are you new here or something?

>>7428471
No, it wasn't. Not every dmitrys thread ends up a whiny spergfest and if you don't like the art you're free to go waste your time somewhere else.

>>7428484

i only mentioned it was wrecked to imply that given dmitry's slow releases and the copyrights he has on his artwork now, these threads die much faster than before. it's practically only the autism holding this shitfest together.

>>7428464
>thread wrecking
>implying dmitrys threads aren't complete wastes of space
>current year

>>7429489
i usually come to post new stuff or to look for an archive i may have missed

>>7426152
>1 toy, $20
>2 toys, $50

explain this horseshit

>>7429489
And people like you justifying stupid whiny bullshit with these lame excuses just make them even worse. If dmitrys threads are so bad, why do you peruse them?

>>7430161
broke bitch

>>7430368
For the comedy value.

Anyone has the Scetlana's Dress Up app? I can't find it anywhere.