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Gentle Femdom & Role Reversal General (GFD/RR)

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>Old thread is at bump limit and I'm making the thread this time, I guess, edition.
>No you can't stop me

Previous Thread: >>6887142
>Post related hentais
>Greentext!
>General lewdness!
>Doujin, anime, manga recommendations
>Cuteposting (btw, gender politics, aren't very cute anon)
>Lewd-caroos (http://vocaroo.com/)


>What is Role Reversal?
A relationship concept where a female and male switch culturally normative relationship roles. For more info,
http://rolereversalreader.tumblr.com/post/108492906077/finished-the-faq-for-relationship-role-reversal

New! Map:
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1618907

FetLife Group:
https://fetlife.com/groups/121948

irc channel:
irc.irchighway.net , #gfd

/rr/ and /gfd/ megapastebins:
http://pastebin.com/7NfGfusP (embed)
http://pastebin.com/evbfjazh (embed)

New! Doujin list:
http://pastebin.com/BjvGSkMi (embed)

GFD masterpost:
http://pastebin.com/PNpCd606 (embed)

Forum:
http://gfdrr.freeforums.net/
Shameless eighth channel board advert:
http://8ch net/gfd/
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GFD Story List (In Goddamn Sensible Alphabetical Order, link post to add)

Absorption: http://archiveofourown.org/works/5343203/chapters/12337505

"Alice": https://www.literotica.com/s/alice-15

Assassin (by DAGDAMMIT): http://pastebin.com/yhxfhU8T

The Bear and the Wolf Cub: http://pastebin.com/4PQW6E5B

Bringing the Heat: http://archiveofourown.org/works/2454164/chapters/5439332

The Dragon's Heart: http://archiveofourown.org/works/6475483

Escape from the Bermuda Triangle: http://archiveofourown.org/works/5737978/chapters/13222708

Feminia: https://www.literotica.com/s/feminia

I Don't Bite!: http://pastebin.com/hWmZEyjb

In Her Argent Embrace: http://archiveofourown.org/works/2606318/chapters/5806514

The Leprechaun's Charms: http://archiveofourown.org/works/3645492

Love You to Bits! (By EnielWings): http://enielwings.deviantart.com/art/Love-You-to-Bits-Moge-ko-x-Male-Reader-601305872

Love-Love Umbrella: http://archiveofourown.org/works/2219088

Minotaur's Labyrinth: http://pastebin.com/b7dURJkY

My Manager is My Mistress!: http://pastebin.com/TJAvFqgf

Pretty Human (by Sea Foam): http://seafoam.pbworks.com/w/page/77839289/Pretty%20Human

The Sentimental Succubus: http://archiveofourown.org/works/3241379/chapters/7061726

A Taste for Christmas Cake: http://archiveofourown.org/works/3145253/chapters/6822353

Takeover: http://archiveofourown.org/works/2779652/chapters/6235439

Under the Falcon's Wing: http://archiveofourown.org/works/4653132/chapters/10613943

Unfinished: https://www.literotica.com/s/i-have-an-idea-ch-01

Until you are: http://pastebin.com/KbnXtAbp

The Vixen: http://archiveofourown.org/works/5202542/chapters/11990246

Wings of Desire: http://archiveofourown.org/works/2760794
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Media List, Feel free to add recommendations

Animated film:
>Garden of Words

Live Action:
>Angel-A
>Tramps like Us (Drama version)

Anime/Manga:
>Witch Craft Works
>Freezing
>Madan no Ou to Vanadis
>Morobito: Guardian of the Spirit
>Monster Musume no Iru Ichijou
>Soredemo Sekai wa Utsukushii (The world is still beautiful)
>Akame ga Kill*
>Infinite Stratos
>Accel World*
>The Pet Girl of Sakurasou*
>Danna ga Nani o Itteiru ka Wakaranai Ken
>Tasogare otome x Amnesia
>Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun
>Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun
>Amagami*
>Oji-san to Marshmallow
>Claymore
>Mizutama Honey Boy
>FLCL
>Rosario + Vampire
>Photon: The Idiot Adventures

Manga/Light Novel:
>Unbalance x Unbalance
>Otoyomegatari
>Sensei Lock-on
>Arakawa under the bridge
>Natsuyuki Rendezvous
>Otomen
>Kimi wa Peto/Tramps like us
>Hokago play
>Game Over
>Takane no Hana Nara Ochitekoi!!
>Tsugumomo
>Ore x Yome
>Altina the Sword Princess
>Ane no Onaka o Fukuramaseru wa Boku
>Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria
>Waltraute-san no Konkatsu Jijou
>Jomungand
>Arms peddler
>Girls of the Wilds
>Green Boy
>Onihime VS
>The Legend of Maian
>Puppy Lovers
>Ookii Onnanoko wa Suki Desu ka?


Visual Novels
>Junipers Knot*
>Hustle Cat (Mason route)

*/gfd/ is not the main focus

>Hentai list
http://pastebin.com/jVY1dAeb (embed)

>Doujin list
http://pastebin.com/5w7qgrM6 (embed)
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>DON'T fall for the bait!!!

>Don't complain about the bait or people responding to bait; within reason.
>Please don't post without a picture UNLESS you are putting down good textual on-topic contribution
>DO start dumping and contributing to the thread and it's relevant topics
>DO try to foster relevant content and meaningful contributions
>DO ignore and report b8 and shitposts
>Try to stay on topic!

>Op reserves the right to nuke thread if the autism is overwhelming.
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>>6891157
the old thread is only on page 6
lurk more and stop spamming the board, you useless retard
good job using a western image for the op too
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>>6891215
It's been so long since I've found a genuinely cute gfd picture, thanks!
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>>6891250
I myself am a sucker for big strong guys getting all weak and lovey dovey from smaller girls pushing their buttons. Nipple play especially gets me weak in the knees. There's really not enough content of either.
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>>6891283
Oh yes, I know where you're coming from. Vulnerability in a traditionally "strong" guy is a huge turnon. Truth be told, I'm here more for the bashful baras than dom women.
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>>6891283
>>6891291
this is gonna be a good thread edition
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>>6891283
>>6891291
>guys who look and act all macho but are completely putty in your hands as soon as you bite their neck or pull their hair or tweak their nipple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNU3aIJs88g
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>>6891355
O HAI U <3

now if only it were morning the pun would be perfect...
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>>6891291
Huuuuh, I thought I was the only one. Honestly it's the best right? That juxtaposition of vulnerability and physical capacity, the subsequent feeling of influence? When you trigger his submissiveness and his breathing becomes labored, he flushes, and you know he'll do whatever you want, accepting his role as your submissive? The way he focuses on your pleasure, that feeling of his attentiveness, his reactions and sounds, of your power, control...

And it's not like I'm much of a dom or anything. But something about that personality shift and submission in a guy gets me going.
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>>6891358
It's morning somewhere Anon.
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>>6891541
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Okay, I will try some greentext related to this thread edition

>live in Paris and meet my stud there
>he is a total gym nerd
>always boasting about his gains right after the shower
>so cute, sometimes can't wait for him to get out and join in :3
>work in a theatre company
>this sound very cliché but but he was a fan
>offered me roses after a play
>got immediatly charmed by his old fashioned gallantry (so rare now)

(Lorenzaccio by Musset. I was playing the lead role of Lorenzo, the male main protagonist, it's a tradition to have this role played by a woman)

>in November last year
>terrorist attacks in the theatre district
>came home very late, completly unaware of the situation
>not noticing the shiton of messages he send me
>when back to the appartement he is all nervous and almost crying
>he looks like a little puppy welcoming his owner
>on his knees, sobbing in my skirt
>his arms wrapped around my legs
"Hush, hush... Everything is alright now... I'm safe"
>run my fingers through his hair
>he nuzzles deeper between my legs
>got the girly tingling and resist the urge to rape his face
[spoiler]we spend the night cuddling on the sofa, watching the news[/spoiler]

>soon after the attack
>he begged me to take a few days off
>told him fear won't stop me
>had to stand by my convictions
>first fight with him in months
>commemoration Place de la République
>he insisted on coming with me
"Fine !... You can escort me"
>big silent and peaceful crow on the square
>the pale light of the candles washes our fear away
>holding hands with my boy
>feeling safe
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>>6891615
Now you have to understand that the tension was real after the attack. Here in France, fear of the next attack was unbearable. The terrorist has targeted young people and the place where they have fun. What's following really happened, you can check.

>suddenly hear consecutive shots being fired
>everyone panic, like...
>real primal panic
>pushing each other, running over the candles
>boyfriend shocked
>still holding hand
>lead him inside the nearest café
>he's tripping almost every step
>owner of the café close the steel shutter
>everyone hide in the cave
>boyfriend is all shaking and have his eyes shuts
>holding me with an iron grip
>remember that fateful night when coming home
"Hush, hush... Everything is alright now... I'm safe"
>running my right hand through his hair
>caressing his chin with the other
>burrying his face in my belly
>qt slightly more calm down
>years of stage performance kick in
>use most confident tone I can
"It's okay... We are safe now."
>feel his muscles loosening a bit
>giving him tiny kisses on his face
>he's almost fully relaxed
>not standing on his own now
>have to hold back my big man
>melting in my arms
>he opens his eyes
>never felt so needed in my life

According to the news, some kids played with firecrackers near on the square causing mass hysteria. Things almost returned to normal since then, bg dropped gym to take self-defense lessons and from time to time I pet his head. It seems to act like a trigger to calm him.
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dropping some OC thanks to my newly acquired fakku account

it's mostly shit though, believe me, exhentai is much better
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the femdom tag is a fucking joke, it should be renamed "tease then rage fuck the girl"
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>never ever ever
I just want to be loved guys.
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there's a hentai called S&M blabla and labeled femdom, but it's just the girl acting princess like and as soon as she get her clothes off it's just ragefuck-impregnation
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>tfw no dom to plant her ass on my face
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>>6891704
tfw no oujo-sama to worship as a chaste servant
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>>6891385
This one's for you then, with (in my opinion) a bonus bara involved.
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>>6891700
>>6891719
I'd like an order of sauce, please.
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>>6891755
>asking for sauce
>cuteXfunnyXoriginalposting
not a faggot

>>6891697
Let's Do It [saitom]
>>6891700
Section Chief Kitahara's Milking Duty [Sugaishi]
>>6891719
My Lady Loves Bathing[Bosshi]
>>6891705
Angel's Reward [Yahiro Pochi]
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>>6891157
>>6891259

>hit bump limit
>I just bumped it

OP pls its currently on page 2
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>>6891773
this is no gender politics edition>>6891157
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>>6891783
for now
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>>6891773
Op is a cancerous scum should be permabanned
also:
>>6891184
>Op reserves the right to nuke thread if the autism is overwhelming
you can't do shit, you retard
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my last pic

help me grow my meager collection! pleeeease?
(I'm one of the bara-lovers)
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>>6891816
IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE
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>>6891825
I'm sorry, I simply don't see what you're pointing at.
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>>6891816
girls can't into dom in general
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>>6891700
It goes both ways, to be fair. The softer stuff manages to get in along with the weird CBT stuff, but so does the inconsistent bait and switch ragefuck garbage.
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>>6891157
You're an ass, you know that? All of the opening posts read like knock-offs of what they're supposed to be, and the old thread isn't even that far down the pages yet. You're just trying to make everyone angry.
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>>6891225
>filename
kek if he was 10 in 1998 that makes him a 28 year old shota now
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protip: there is no post between mine and this one
>>6891833
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>>6891946
protip: there is a hide button next to all posts, including those of backseat moderators
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Can I request story or greentext?

-qt putting a token of ownership on her bf (like a necklace, a bandana, a stylish leather collar if you dare write it)
from the guy point of view in a school environment, what he feels when touching it, when somebody ask about it, etc... and the ritual when she put it on him

-a /rr/ date between guy and qt at a shoping mall, lewd or not in cabin, but the girl boosting her boyfriend ego about his look and defending his honor when he is harassed by delinquent girls
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I want a anime movie like that! If have pegging, much better! Recomend
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>>6891991
this is pretty confusing desu

who are you talking to anon?
(mind including a pic in your post?)
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>>6891988
>a /rr/ date between guy and qt at a shoping mall, lewd or not in cabin, but the girl boosting her boyfriend ego about his look and defending his honor when he is harassed by delinquent girls
Taiyakisoba, are you seeing this? Please consider this if you do.
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It would be nice if there was a discord group for this thread, don't you think?
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>>6892629
Now, we're talking my fetish!
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Now, this is pretty far from what I'd mention here, but there's a CYOA game called Affairs of the Court, now on Steam. The reason it's even remotely relevant is that while clearly written with a female character in mind, there is an option to play a male - and it changes very little overall, leading to females taking the active role in the courting.

Just, y'know, getting it out here. It gets more social manoeuvring and intrigue than romance after a point, but it's there and might scratch some itch.

And it's pretty good besides.
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>>6892895
Looks like some SJW "MUH INDIE GAMES" shit. No thank you. Shill for your shitty 'game' somewhere else.
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DISCUSSION TIME

What element or type of femdom/rr gets you going and why?

For me, vulnerable burly guys. Something about the social contradiction (and the incredible amount of implied trust) of having a traditionally "in charge" type surrendering is both endearing and arousing.
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>>6892909
You know, I really don't think the hostility is necessary. I thought it might be of interest to someone here, that's all.
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>>6892921
Confident boyish girls that iniate sexual stuff with open lewdness. Sigh.
I would really like to be that gentle giant counterpart.
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>>6892921
>What element or type of femdom/rr gets you going and why?
For me its two things, but they're usually related.

One is a desire to be cared for and loved by someone strong, and in the process allowing myself to be vulnerable. Showing weakness or emotion as a man is generally frowned upon, so being coaxed into that position by a powerful, loving domme is very cathartic.

The other is that a woman who is too innocent, good-natured, or compassionate to really abuse her position of power is very attractive to me. It's a trait I enjoy seeing in male characters as well, but there I identify with it or idealize it (because I'm a guy myself and if I had power I'd like to be a kind hero). With a woman though it gets mixed into all kinds of other feelings of love and arousal and becomes this stomach-knotting, heart-fluttering feeling of longing. I realize its a very feminine way of feeling attraction, but its what I feel nonetheless.

Both of these themes I also find in gentle size fiction, so I read a lot of that, too.
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>>6892957
>>6892974
oh lookie at that... maybe the two of you should each set up a pin in /soc/?
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>>6892974
Whats gentle size fiction m8?
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>>6892983
Kek. Pls. Im too shy for that. What should i write in it?
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>>6892991
"Hi! looks like we share some interests, wanna chat/have coffee/whatever?"
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>>6892991
never try, never know~~~
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>>6892998
>>6893011
Ts. Allright! Ill have a look around.
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>>6892983
I think he meant he wanted to be the vulnerable burly guy, not the gentle giantess.

>>6892984
Stories with a giantess or shrunken person(s) that are focused on gentle, non-murderous interaction, as opposed to the more common eating, crushing, and torture.
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>>6892895
As someone else who has played the game I really recommend it.
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>>6893036
Yeah i am male. Ok will take a look at that, sounds interesting.
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don't mind me, I just need to vent for a bit...

>tfw started 'seeing' a guy
>nothing like dating, just hanging out, touching more than may be appropriate for 'just friends'
>there's definitely something there though
>going agonizingly slowly
>tfw no patience
>at all
>if it were up to me I'd have tied him to the bed three weeks ago
>not even sure if he'd let me dom him
>just want to hold him, snuggle him and tell him how cute he is

going slightly mad from impatience here
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>>6892921
So much to say!

The social contradiction, definitely. How she loves to admire the masculine features of my body and then dominate them. The thrill of trusting her. Then there's the secrecy aspect: the idea that no one suspects how we are to each other in private. It makes our bond feel special to have something so tender and intimate hidden away just for the two of us.

I love watching her build up the confidence to take her dominance to a new level. Sensing her hesitance, then I get to reassure her with my willing submission and suddenly her confidence lights up. Sigh. I love to give out ego boosts. It's like I put a charm on her when I make her ego swell. I love to make her feel respected and powerful and sexy and admired. Something about making her drunk on her ego and tying it to taking it out on my body as her only outlet...

It also feels more intimate to let her take control and see what ideas she cooks up. Her affection is clearly manifested in actions. It makes me feel very unambiguously loved.

Most of all though, and this is kinda convoluted, it actually makes me feel very masculine. Strong enough to swallow my pride and let her have the power, taste the control, enjoy the ego boost. Having nothing to prove to her or to myself, being secure enough with her and with my masculinity to let her run the show. It's hard to describe, it's kind of like inverse machismo. I guess I've known a lot of older couples (aunts/uncles, my friends' parents, my own parents, etc) where the wife is full of energy and motivation and ideas and desire and the husband yields to her will, not out of weakness but out of strength. It demonstrates the self control to not trample your wife's happiness with your own selfishness. It just seems like such a civilized and masculine way to show devotion to your woman. Men who disregard their wives are poor quality men. Men who swallow their pride and give their wives the reins are admirable.
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>>6893090
So you consider yourself a dom but you're waiting on him to make the first move? Women can't dom, lol. Stop deluding yourself.
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>>6893046
>Ok will take a look at that, sounds interesting.
Unfortunately I can't think of any good stories that really play into the role reversal side of things. It's certainly an element in many stories, but there's usually lots of other power play going on that's not based around sex or romance. The best I can do is repost this: http://pastebin.com/9VJFzALC.
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>>6893117
Here's your (You).
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>>6893117
The problem seems to be that she's a dom but he's not a sub. He's just a pussy who wants to get friendzoned.
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>>6893133
Not an argument.
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>>6893090
Put him in his place, take him with your authority by force.
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>>6893163
Of course not. I wasn't making a point, I was implying it's bait.

Which it is.
The whole topic has been brought up a gorillion fucking times, and never resulted in anything constructive. At this point bringing it up from any side is grounds for being ignored.

...but then, look at me falling for it again.
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>>6893192
Fuck off Molyneux, go back to reviewing games.
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>>6893192
ok
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So my gf left me and I'm pretty devastated.
I hope everyone else is having a nice day.
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>>6893187
Open your eyes, anon. With one or two exceptions, all of the posts in this thread are bait.
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>>6893117
Well I can't very well start molesting him all of a sudden, now can I? That shit only works in (bad) anime. If I were to come on too strong all of a sudden, I'd scare him off.
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>>6891161
>Unfinished: https://www.literotica.com/s/i-have-an-idea-ch-01

I've been reading this for a good few hours now (haven't finished yet) and while I felt bizarrely torn as to my thoughts on it at first, now I just don't like it at all. I think my problem with it, as far as not being turned on is that it shows the thoughts and internal conflicts of both the guy and the girl. In femdom stories I just prefer only seeing his thoughts and maybe a select few of hers, but that's still a rather flexible rule. But then there's all of the twisted, fucked up intricacies of how their "game" and relationship progresses. It seems socially and psychologically unhealthy for people to treat each other like they do.

And then it gets even more uncomfortable (for me at least) because there's also a third person involved, manipulating the dom. This person who weaseled themselves between two people who they don't care about at all for their own messed up reasons.

I feel incredibly uncomfortable after reading it. But it's quite well written, so if you don't feel disturbed by the attitudes of the narrative and characters you might well like it.
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>>6893224
>Well I can't very well start molesting him all of a sudden, now can I?
Probably not, but if you decide to try it, definitely tell us about it.
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>>6893200
I'm sorry to hear that anon.

>>6893224
Maybe he, 1: Appreciated women who like him, 2: Likes women who are assertive enough to know and try to take what they want, and 3: will be too scared to try to leave :3
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>>6893224
Certainly not, but you can definitely take are more active role. I mean, from what little you wrote, I can't see what exactly you're waiting for here, or why exactly you're waiting in the first place.

I mean, shit, if it's about the risk of rejection, people have been dealing with that for the entire history of civilization, and still haven't found a better solution than 'do it and suck it up if they say no'.
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We did such a good job of avoiding gender politics last thread (Up until about post 200) that I wrote a new story as a reward/treat!

I hope you all enjoy.
(More or less just the setup for the plot.)

http://pastebin.com/2Vt4izRW
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>>6893195
Translation?
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>>6893271
It's the last in a series.
Whole (i think) thing translated: http://danbooru.donmai.us/pools/9763
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>>6893261
>My small frame, stunted in it's growth
Its.

>My job had been called “Reading maps”,
No need for the capitalization.

>To who? One might ask.
To whom, one might ask.

You use ellipses far too often.

>Of course offset by her F-cup, which was her 'human lie detector'. Even Asexual Women couldn't avoid their eye contact.
F-cups, not cup. Why is asexual women capitalized? How does one make eye contact with breasts? This sentence reads like a 12 year old trying to ERP. I can't stand reading this shit anymore.

These are just the most obvious issues. The writing is terrible in general and the dialogue is stilted. This story is more like a punishment than a reward - if you're going to try writefagging again, read a book or take a remedial class in English.
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>>6893129
Ah shame. Ill read the one you posted atleast.

>>6893287
Shots fired, shots fired.
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>>6893261
>http://pastebin.com/2Vt4izRW
A decent start, but I think that the war setting will do you more harm than good in the long run, at least the way you've framed it. It stinks of wish fulfillment to a level that will break the audience's suspension of disbelief.

First, it doesn't make sense for two high ranking officers to have a relationship like that. Modern militaries are very professional, by almost any measure Louis and Cassandra are bad at their jobs and should not be in those positions.

Second, you've jumped right into a large conflict without giving any explanation for what kind of conflict it is or what kind of world it takes place in. Keeping some things secret isn't always a bad thing, but YOU need to know those things even if the audience does not, and reveal them at appropriate, natural times in the story. I get the feeling from your story, though, that you don't really know where you're headed and are just throwing together ideas that you like. Who is the enemy? What force are Cassandra and Louis part of? What year is it? Etc, etc.

Third, you've gone with an action-heavy descriptive style, which is going to look amateurish unless you actually know how real militaries and battles work, or are writing in a very fantastical setting where normal rules don't apply.

Fourth, and perhaps most importantly, you don't really show any reason for Cassandra to care about Louis. You write as if there is a relationship, but none is established, making their interactions feel hollow.

Finally, your prose is sub-par. >>6893287
Is spot on, if a bit harsh. The only criticism I'd add is that you use passive voice to often, which leads to some very awkward sentences.

When I have more time later tonight I'll make another post about recommendations, both for your writing style and your setting/plot/characters.
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>>6891041
Pic source please?

1/2 non related
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>>6891041
>>6893455
2/2 non related
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>>6892921
Might I suggest the movie Teddy Bear?
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>>6891816
Ugh. I have to say I get much more sadistic regarding women than men, also I'd much more want to put feminists in their place instead of ' The Patriarchy'. I've been fucked over so much more by SJW than any man. They're entitled little shits. Let me flog and hurt them, please!

I dress the bf up in my thongs,stuff my soaked panties in his mouth,pinch his nipples, and have him mewl when I lick his ass because he requests it. Then he does the same to me.
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>>6891630
Does he feel more calm if you tie him up?
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Would you leak a boys nudes revenge porn style if he broke up with you?

Would you be that mean?

Showing the world all his private faces, the faces he had when you defiled him, all his private places, the places you defiled?

If you couldn't have his heart, would you blackmail him for the lewds and his body?
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>>6893594
I've dated a self confessed stalker, and she claimed that, if anything, it was a form of obtaining power over a person. To be able to decide to keep going or to stop if they begged you to.

All in all she's still a great friend with (reasonably) more than a few regrets.
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>>6893455
Honestly, I have no idea what the source is, I got it from a previous thread
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>>6893667
The filename points to an artist, so I'd check their works.
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All right, I know I'm definitely not on taiyakisoba's level of good gfd smut, however, all my stories on pastebin are shorter gfd/rr stories if anyone wants to read and give me feedback on any of them

http://pastebin.com/u/Cynical_Writefag
(sorry for self-shilling)
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>>6893681
the only one i read was the superhero one and the only thing off the top of my head is that there is no real descriptions of the characters so its hard to get into the story
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>>6893812
That one was a greentext one I threw together, all the other ones read more like actual stories
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I thought of something pretty /gfd/, I think. It's occured to me that it's not something women do to name their daughters after themselves, and call them 'Jr.', from what I've heard. Am I retarded, or?
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>>6893812
>>6893813
But since you brought it up, I went ahead and added a few points describing the characters a tad bit
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>>6891615
>>6891630
>not consensual
>not non-consensual either

I don't even... hugh...
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>>6893837
Women try to kill each other for wearing the same outfit, never mind the same name.
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>>6893842
much appreciated
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>>6893261
Aight so to continue this >>6893346.

I think for the emotional scene with the helicopter leaving Louis behind to work you need to establish his relationship with Cassandra better.

One option you have is to cut down on convoluted battle scenes and have Louis give some concise exposition instead, maybe cut back to an important event or two in their relationship and compare it to what's currently happening.

The other thing would be to change up the characters a bit - make Cass a sergeant and Louis one of the grunts under her command. She develops a soft spot for him because he's just so out of place in the infantry (maybe he was drafted?) and becomes his protector and friend. Build up that relationship a bit through some cute slice-of-life army stuff, and THEN have shit hit the fan, leading to them becoming separated.

As to your prose, just focus on describing things clearly. Don't be afraid to use simple sentence structures if they do their job. Avoid passive voice, use figurative language when you want to emphasize something, but don't overuse it, and try not to crutch too hard on dead metaphors.

Pay special attention to dialogue. It will make or break emotional stories like this. Say the words out loud if you have to. Imagine well-known characters saying them. Make sure they feel natural. Go look up all the proper rules for punctuating dialogue so that you can break up lines with descriptions of facial expressions and body language that help convey HOW the characters are speaking.

And last but not least, unless your characters are literally looking at bras, narrating a woman's cup size is ALWAYS in bad taste, and is actually just plain lazy. I can't image a cup size without looking at a reference, but writing about ponderous fleshy orbs that appear to move with a mind of their own, only barely restrained by a covering of fabric stretched far beyond reasonable limits gives me MORE than enough to work with, even if it's still in bad taste.
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>>6891615
>>6891630
This is beautiful.

>tfw no gf to hug me and run her fingers through my hair and tell me I'm safe and everything will be ok
Good thing I'm not depressed, r-right?
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>>6893902
brb, tying noose
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>>6893924
May I borrow it?
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>>6893927
Soon as I'm done using it
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>>6893931
Alright thanks bro.
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>>6891704
At this point I just wish I was dead.
How can I even /gfd/ when I can't even form normal relationships without being forced into them?
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>>6893962
Work on yourself.

Make sure you actually want /gfd/ because you want to submit to a strong woman, not because you want someone to give you the good life as your surrogate mommy.

I know how it feels. I probably lost a female friend who is very pro MRA this week, who I've had a crush on for 2 years or more. But it gets better when you make it get better and fix what's under your control.
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>>6894007
>Work on yourself. Make sure you actually want /gfd/ because you want to submit to a strong woman, not because you want someone to give you the good life as your surrogate mommy.
Getting real tired of this shit. I've been here since these threads began so I'm pretty goddamn sure I know what it is I'm looking for.
As for self-improvement, what the fuck do I do? I can lift until I'm able to move a house, shave my entire body every week, read constantly, and work my way into a six-figure income but none of that will teach me how to woo girls. Talking to strangers is not an option in Washington. That's not how people make friends here, at least not in my experience. Myself and everyone I know only befriend others after being repeatedly grouped in the same space for extended periods of time and I can't really do that with some stranger in a bar or at a con or whatever.
And make no mistake, it's absolutely my job to initiate everything because they're sure as shit not coming to me. What the fuck does it even mean to be a sub when I have to do all the work, anyway?
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>>6893117
I-I don't think that's where a dick should be.
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>>6894044
M8, do you really want to ask that of someone who just said "I can't let myself be sad anymore"?

Also, teaching yourself how to woo girls is part of improving yourself. Sorry to say.
Learning how to talk to people.
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>>6894007
Man, I hate the whole "Two camps, people who are into milder versions of generic D/s stuff and people who are mommy issues autist boogeymen NEETs with no sense of self improvement." meme that seems to be floating around here. It's pretty silly.
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>>6894052
Then I got nothing. If I can't guarantee that I'll be in the same place as another individual more than ten times, I have no shot at making something happen. My humor's really all I have and it can only take me so far in one night.
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>>6894059
Humor's very powerful, anon.
It can take you all the way to the bedroom.
"No shot" is bullshit. There's always a shot.
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>>6894062
That's only if you have the right kind of humor. My humor is dark and self-deprecating and I have no idea what makes women genuinely laugh rather than that mouth-covering, I-can't-believe-you-actually-said-that laugh.

I need a bigger /gfd/ folder.
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>>6893258
It's okay, anon. I'm going to die alone anyway.
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>>6893187
Still not an argument.
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>>6894072
Do you have a cat?
I'd get a kitten. Those are great company. They annoy and love you just like a human would.

Things will look up. If this is the worst that it can be, it will only get better from here.
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Added myself to map wew. Doesn't really seem to be many girls in Michigan though but hopefully something happens.
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>>6891184
Hello. You seem to have messed up the simple process of copy and paste. Allow me to post the correct version:

>DON'T make all caps or complaining posts about it, this just provokes more while doing nothing, as much as that hurts your feelings, it's true.
>DON'T fall for the bait, even if you have a raging opposition to the poster's politics, left OR right, alt or not, it's still off topic to respond, especially when you just want to jerk your own opposition
>DON'T post with out a picture UNLESS you are putting down good textual on-topic contribution
>DO start dumping material - 10+ pictures is a good start
>DO start trying to revive a thread topic or genre that fits in the thread, even if the topic concedes to one side of the argument, e.g. conservative bread winner/gun owning waifus, or whatever goes for the alternative.
>DO ignore and report b8 and shitposters
>DO start asking ON-TOPIC questions in the thread for people to answer

tl;dr don't take the bait. Qts don't like that.
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>>6894391
Wait what map?
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>>6894440
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1618907
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>>6894391
There are no women on the map because they know they'd be harassed. There very well may be dommes in Michigan.
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>>6894453
Ah yeah, true. Here's hopin'
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>>6894450
Tfw no female markers in Arizona ;-;
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>>6893455
Hi.
Succubus Stayed Life by Sasamori Tomoe
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>>6894491
>feelsbadman.jpg
Tfw no female dommes in switzerland
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>>6894107
fyi, cats technically don't love their owners.

Not that they aren't my favourite animal regardless.
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>>6894620
tfw the only dommes in Britland are hard dommes or faggots like spidermeme and furniture lady

At least you have your guns
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>>6894453
I thought the point was for them to let people know they exist, leaving out their contact information, and then contact the boys as they see fit?
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>>6891385
My god thats a hot mentality.
>>6891615
And this made my soul ache....

/d/ i almost would prefer the arguing.
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>>6894640
yeah, then every emotionally insecure macho guy is going to start throwing threats and looking up addresses

it's sad but true, it's hard to be a woman (especially a confident woman) on the internets
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Does the guy from Umeå still post here?
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>>6894007
> I probably lost a female friend who is very pro MRA this week

desu you dodged a bullet. any Male who is openly pro Feminist and any female who is openly pro MRA definitely have some problems.

bitch was crazy, you're not missing out.
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>>6891700
thiiiiis
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I dun goofed this past month, /gfd/. I've been in a pretty abusive on again / off again relationship these last few years. I met a girl who was into all the same shit as me, and was hooked pretty hard. I won't get into it, but it was very one sided (not that some of you wouldn't like that).

I finally cut her out of my life, and found a new girl. I live in NY and I met this sweet girl who just moved here from Cali. Was introduced to her through a friend and we hit it off pretty quick. She asked me on our second date if I had any fetishes, so I was up front. She was taken aback at first, and then curious, and then after some research, quite interested. Things were golden, up until she left to go on vacation. Then I dun fucked myself.

My anxiety got the best of me, and I was scared she wouldn't be interested when she got back. Self-fulfilling prophecy kicked in and I became clingy, and did exactly that. We didn't talk for a bit, and then I got a call from her this week. She was drunk and stranded and needed a place to crash so I caved and she slept in my bed. Nothing but cuddles happened (she was the big spoon), but two days later and things are awkward again.

I want it to work, but I think it might be too far gone. Can it be saved? Do I give up and try to find another /gfd/? I've been tempted to text the unhealthy relationship ex again...

Sorry if this comes off like a personal blog.
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>>6893090
If you want things to move faster then say something. Being able to speak openly with a person is a step you should reach before tying them to a bed.
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>>6894818
say what you said here, apologize and ask if it would be ok to start over from square one

at least, that's what it would take for me personally to forgive that kind of behavior, she might feel differently
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>>6891157
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>>6894704
No I didn't. She's probably the best friend I've ever had and would have been an amazing GF.
She's not openly pro, I asked her and she said she's not a feminist (in the modern sense) and realized not everything's fair for men.

But that's ok. Life happens. She decides she doesn't want anything more to do with me, her business.
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>>6894839
Well now I am curious. What did you do, anon?

>>6894826
I suppose that might be the next step.
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>>6894850
when the one who messed up apologizes, it makes the other person feel like they chose someone mature enough to admit they messed up

if things go well, it might end up strengthening your relationship
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>>6894850
My autism reared it's ugly head and asked if she would consider snuggles.

I really didn't expect her to leave over that.
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>mfw i had this girl run her fingers in my hair and telling me everything is fine now.
>mfw i really fucked up my chance with said girl
>mfw been contemplating suicide while turning nto a NEET ever since
>mfw i pussied out when i finally had the gun on my forehead
I fucking hate my parents for bringing me into this world. Lfe hurts but i can't bring myself to end it, at least not with my parents around.
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>>6894865
How did you fuck up, anon, what'd you do.
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>>6894865
Do not let yourself become a NEET. I was one E away and if that ended (which it nearly did) I would have ended my life.
Don't fall down that path. Get off of it immediately. Seriously. It will ruin everything you have in terms of born qualities.

>>6894620
There probably is in Switzerland. You have had good egalitarian possibilities for a lot of things for a while.
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>>6894860
I'll be upfront. I tried it. After we went on another date when she got back and it didn't end the same way all the others did. I asked her what was up and she told me she had done some thinking while she was away.

Two or three days later I texted her something close to what I said here. I apologized for being clingy. Her reaction wasn't really easy to decipher. She has no problem making plans, but then flakes. It makes me annoyed so I stop talking to her for a few days, and then I get a text from her. It is pretty annoying, and super confusing. If I wasn't really into her, and we hadn't already done stuff together, it would be an easy decision.
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>>6894875
sounds like she's honestly torn, and since I don't know either of you I really can't give you any advice I'm confident about

just be upfront in as polite and non-confrontational a manner as you can muster

sorry anon, best of luck
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>>6894870
i'm pretty much traumatized myself with what i did that night, but i'll try to tell what happened
>graduation day (inb4 underageb&)
>literally everyone in the region going to this well-known place to drink n' shit
>went there as an impulse when i met some of my friends in town who asked me to come
>only took some beer with me bcause i'm really shit with alchol (i drink like twice a year)
>get there
>meet a shitload of friends
>switching from group to group lounging like fucking leisure suit larry
>a friend of mine accidentally destrouyed most of my beer so he gave me a bottle of vodka for compensation (mistake #1)
>then
>she got there at some point (i lose the sense of time when i'm drunk
>immediately hugs me when she sees me (she hugged other peple too ofc but holy fuck was it nice)
>get shitfaced with her casually chatting
>suddenly notice friend of mine who lives very close to me has vanished (can't find my way home because i'm shit with public transport, blame sheltering)
>start to freak out
>she reminds me that we get home with the same bus and says me to stick with her
>guardianangelsexist.tar.bz
>unimportant shit happens
>one point i fall over in front of her sitting cause drunk and incline
>she asks me if i'm ok and runs her fingers i my hair
>iminheaven.mp3.exe
>sphaghetti flying out of pockets i stammer out a "y-yeah"
>quckly get up
>she notices how absolutely fucked i am and holds my hand and drags me with her so i cant fuck myself/others up
>ifiwasn'tbusydestroyngmyliveridhaveamilelongboner.tiff
>more misc shit
>she says she is cold
>i hand her my hoodie (been drinking outside in a thsirt in a ski-center i january, no fucking problem resistng cold)
>she thanks me
>people mistake us for a couple
>time to go
>take a literal fucking bus roulette home with all the other drunkards
>finally when it's just the two of us on the bus i tell her i love her because drunk as fuck
>cant remember her reaction
>go home
>panc in the morning
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>>6894885
Are you always just a big baby or is it just in the aftermath of getting drunk?

Fucking kids
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>>6894885
cont.
i remember her making out with two of my friends not too after she arrived. i also remember telling some of my friends how i absolutely worship her. Now i'm a social autist when im sober (i dont know how the fuck i have so many friends, it baffles me so much)
and i'm afraid of the aftermath.
>inb4 just message her you retard
bad idea. this happened a month back, and i literally never message her usually unless she asked me for help with shit. so that goes right out the window. i fucked up big time because im a social retard.
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>>6894895
>inb4 just message her you retard

No, never message her or your friends again

>Only a month ago

Cut off all contact and start again jesus christ
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>>6894875
You need to tell her that the two of you need to have a talk about what your relationship is and where the two of you want it to go.
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>was in an online relationship with the cutest sub boy
>he dropped out of college (on a scholarship) because he was sad
>refused to get a job because he was sad about dropping out
>refused to get his liscence because he was sad
>his mother is struggling to keep his family of 4 (just his mom, him and two younger siblings) afloat and he's the eldest
>he's only got online friends that treat him like shit
>ask him to make new ones
>he says its not worth the effort and just tolerates the abuse
>I beg him to make steps to improve his life and help support his family because its painful to watch
>he says he can't do anything because he's sad
>he's convinced I'll be his sugar momma and everything will be o.k. for him and his family
>starts saying "i'll be even sadder if you don't move in with my family right now!"
>keeps doing this, I end up leaving him due to this
>occasionally he reaches out to me to tell me how sad he is and how there is no hope for him because he destroyed his life
>tell him to improve, or at least see a therapist
>he says he can't because he's sad


I'm nice and he just tries to use me, I yell at him to get his shit together and he says "that makes me even sadder, I'm not gonna do anything because you were mean"

I'm done with boys for a while.
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>>6894885
>>6894895
Why are some people so shit at understanding people.

She clearly has no interest in you sexually nor does she want a relationship. We all fuck up at some point, anon. Move on, cut contact with her.
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>>6895035
You can find a cute girl to pat on the head at least.
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>>6895035
You know not all boy or even sub boys are depressed losers, right?

He was clearly just a depressed person who hadn't hit low enough to seek out help or to tackle his issues for himself.
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>>6895041
I know. Im just hurt and need a while before I start dating again.
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>>6895035
>I yell at him to get his shit together and he says "that makes me even sadder, I'm not gonna do anything because you were mean"
My only regret is that reaction images are disallowed on /d/, because I have the perfect combination of anger and confusion that I could use. Instead, have this.
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>>6895041
Yes it is unfortunate. It is unfortunate that this is what being a sub means to some.
The saddest part is that I understand perfectly what he's thinking and going through, both in talking to this femanon (I assume) and in not wanting to do anything because sad.

>>6895067
Take your time. You only need to find the right person once.

You didn't break anything inside him. It is in no way your fault, and you are not morally obligated to stay with him if he starts to ruin your own life. Something is wrong with him and he's refusing to seek help.

You could have everything handed to you, but you won't truly appreciate it, nor will you understand how you got there.

Here's a cute (rarer) pic
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>>6895035
I get the feeling he wasn't being being truthful about reality, just to keep you around for attention. Even if you do hit on bad times, there's always a need to get over it and start making the steps to betterment. You made the right choice to end it, there's a very low limit to which you can help someone out of a bad situation without them putting in any effort of their own.

At the very least, Girls of the Wild is still as regular and dependable as ever, and we're finally finishing the kidnapping arc

Maybe you'll find your Jaegu someday.
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>>6895087
Or better yet this qt
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>>6895090
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>>6893667
>>6893671
>>6894617
Thanks anons I appreciate it.
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>>6895035
Shame he dropped out. College is great for anti-social people because nobody knows you're anti-social. I was the computer nerd in high school but oddly I've become the guy everyone invites to parties now that I'm in college. I used to be a little depressed in high school but now I've never been happier despite the class workloads.
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>>6895087
>>6895082
>>6895079
thanks, it means a lot, I honestly wasn't expecting you guys to be so understanding.
I've been thinking about it more and more because he keeps telling me he's going to kill himself on his birthday next month (or sometime this year)
honestly, I feel like its my fault, by dating him I only gave him false hope that his life would get better- when really what was needs isn't a relationship, but was to improve himself on his own.

I don't know what to do. I've been considering telling his mother about this but I'm really crossing his fingers he'll do some self improvement because I know they can't afford the mental hospital fees.

even while we aren't dating I'm left with him saying "be with me right now or I'll be sad and destroy myself further"

(sorry for lack of picture just planned on posting GOTW but that anon's got it)
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>>6895126
>even while we aren't dating I'm left with him saying "be with me right now or I'll be sad and destroy myself further"
This is terribly manipulative and narcissistic behavior, and based on that alone I doubt he'll actually kill himself.

People who actually want to An Hero don't use it as a threat, they want to go quietly and minimize the damage they cause to friends and family because they don't feel worthy of those people's love. This guy on the other hand desperately wants you to care about him and validate his bad decisions.

Try to get him help, but DO NOT maintain a close relationship with him. He'll drag you down with him and suck you dry.
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>>6895126
Despite the many people who wish they had a significant other to make improving their lives easier or more enjoyable, there's still a want to improve at least.

RE: Mental hospital, if its that bad (and even real, which I doubt) he can be sectioned/institutionalised at no cost, as bad as that is. In any case, at the rate he's going, it's best to cut off completely, because at least then he'll be forced to deal with it instead of pushing himself towards the edge in the hope of getting your attention

>Posting GOTW
I don't even have more pics because I got so into it during an early marathon I ended up forgetting to take more cuts from it :^(
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>>6895126
This is upsetting. I remember being young and depressed about everything. Now I have vidya, animu and porn and no longer live with my religious relatives and everything is pretty OK.
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>>6895126
not everyone can be fixed (or even wants to?)
it's not your fault, it's just the way things are
do you still care about him or not? maybe you should just respect his (foolish) decision and let him die. some will say it's a waste, but it sounds like he really can't be happy, and would just cause you (or any other girl he latches on (weirdly enough it sounds like he doesn't even want a crutch)) grief, so...
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>>6895134
Moonyoung and Gangrok are definitely the best couple in Girls of the Wilds
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>>6893346
That folks is how you constructively criticize a story.
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>>6895150
amen. I relate to moonyoung strongly because of this. Jaegu is trash, Moonyoung and Gangrok is where its at.
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>>6895192
>Jaegu is trash
A woah wow woo what
Don't you bully the Jaegu, you'd have a hard life too if you had to deal with raising your siblings and the feelings of two lovely friends that you can't properly respond too without hurting them okay
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>>6895199
>has two girls thirsting after his dick
>Queen has had signs saying "i want your heart" or some bullshit (done by her brother)
>DalDal has been nonstop thirsting after him
>everyone is telling him to get his shit together and he's too dumb to understand even with it literally spelled out to him
>ends up hurting everyone in the process including himself

he's redeeming himself with the kidnapping arc but I'm still salty
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>>6895182
I was too triggered to keep reading, sorry.

No but in all seriousness, I was exhausted while making that and fell asleep right after, did that over the course of 20 minutes with no proofread. So I'm sorry it's shit. Everyone except me can just forget about it now and I'll do better next thread. ;)
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>>6895212
Hey c'mon. He's still a kid who only just got into Corean high school, has to look after and raise two kids while working his life off to keep them fed, and has never had anyone in love with him never mind two at the same time, and doesn't know how to deal with it because its never happened.

Don't act like he's a bad guy, he's just someone who doesn't know what to do, because he's written like a kid which is what he is. At least he isn't the useless babby he was at the beginning.

I'm sure you did stupid things and had awkward relationships as a kid, I know I did.
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>>6895118
>shinji
Is his clit bumping her or something?
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>>6895035
I understand how he feels, I do the same thing to a lesser extent. It's all consuming, sad dosnt quite explain it, it's the knowlage that your life will never be fulfilling, even if I go and get a girlfriend she will like me because I put on a brave face, knowing no one can deal with your compounded depression and still love you just compounds it more. There isn't a out you just drive your life into the ground. I have a job and a girlfriend but I'm here for wish fulfillment knowing I can't have it.
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>>6894865
Same but I was gonna cut my throat over her in a classroom. Tried twice, no one noticed, sneak to good.
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>>6894067
Oh, I know that one. It's the "Omg you're not supposed to say those things outloud!" laugh.
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Finally put a marker down on the map after months of being too nervous.

I'm still really nervous.
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>>6895368
It's okay, you're never going to get any emails.
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>>6895368
If you're in a white/western country you're already just a drop in the sea of dudes, nothing to be nervous about if you think you have any good qualities.
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>>6895035
Why does it seem like every "dom" girl I've heard of who wasn't asexual ends up dealing with this kind of bullshit and then decides men/being dominant isn't for them anymore? Maybe that one guy who made the "dom women are a myth" series of posts is right, but it's mostly because sub men are generally shit enough that dom women just stop trying to bother with us.

I'd try to use this to my advantage and play up the fact that outside of personal relationships, I have some semblance of ambition and emotional stability as well as some success in life under my belt, but I'm permanently chubby even when I damn near fucking starve myself, so I'm basically "expendable assets" to society. Fuck everything.
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>>6895126
Hey. Not your fault at all. Don't burn yourself to keep others warm. The best thing you can do for both yourself and him is to stop all contact with him. As long as he has the slightest chance to be with you he won't start improving himself.
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>>6895384
>i-i'm not like other boys! please pay attention to me!

Have some respect for yourself and stop insulting your gender in the hopes of getting pussy.
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I wonder what girls think about polyandry aka having more than one boyfriend at once

Not talking about taking turn or cheating, but really having two boys taking at the same time, go out on date together, sleeping together...

Am I really that degenerate for wanting someone else to help me making my girlfriend happy?
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>>6895384
1. The people who are content with their relationships don't talk about them as much as the people who are unhappy
2. Happy and kink-fulfilled people don't go on lewd 4chan generals

It's not dom girls in particular, almost everybody's had at least one shitty but important relationship experience.

And don't be a dick, anon. You can lose weight or get in shape, you just choose not to. Some people feel like they're trapped in dead end jobs, some people are shut-ins and are scared of leaving their house, you're overweight and have an unattractive body.

Everybody's a little rough around the edges, flawless relationships don't exist and neither do perfect people. It's a game of one partner helping the other to either overcome or come to terms with their issues. If one person becomes emotionally dependent on their problems, then it's usually best to break it off.
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>>6895398
t. cuckhold
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>>6895389
Not even. I know the deal, I'm just pissed from seeing MULTIPLE instances of emotionally abusive sub men - and make no mistake, that's what that is - driving the type of women I like into extinction. I'm fucking sick of it, and I'm even more sick of people trying to excuse guys who behave like that. That guy is an abusive piece of shit, end of story.

>>6895399
I lost a full third of my body weight from diet and exercise a few years ago and I'm still a good 30 lbs overweight regardless of what I do, and I'm constantly trying to get rid of that last bit. You'd think that be enough to make me not a lost cause, but girls would rather chase emotionally abusive shitheads like that, and then when they come here we make fucking excuses for their shithead ex's behavior.

If I have no excuses for my own weight issues other than "not trying hard enough" (which is probably true), NOBODY should be excusing emotional abuse, doubly so when it results in the dating pool drying up more and more.

Being fat is my own goddamned fault, and everyone including myself recognizes it. You should be doing the same to emotionally manipulative and abusive little shits like that.
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>>6895067
Just wondering, did you meet him here? I have a sneaking suspicion that the subs here and other places just want to be a househusband aka do 10 chores every week and play video games for the rest of the time.
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>>6895422
>Aka do 10 chores every week and play video games for the rest of the time
AKA spending hours every day cooking, cleaning, doing laundry, doing the arduous task of actually looking after children (unless you're an autistic retard who ALSO hates kids), then doing other productive things like the DIY, decorating, gardening.

Get fucked
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>>6895398
There's a lot of lit. out there about polyamory and polyrelationships. Take a read, introduce your girlfriend to the idea, see how she feels about it.
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>>6895409
Maybe that's because submissive people are more likely to become overly reliant on the people in their lives. I'm not going to go on some tirade about how men are socially expected to be more independent than women even though I really want to, but it makes perfect sense that leeches in general tend to identify with a group of fetishists who are usually focused on being owned or controlled.

Thirty pounds overweight being your low is a little more than "chubby". Barring some extremely unlikely genetic defect, it's entirely your fault. That being said, everybody has issues and I've known plenty of people who prefer heavyset men.

I'm not condoning what he's doing at all, I explicitly said in the last paragraph that it's usually better to break things like that off. I'm just not calling him a piece of shit because debilitating stuff happens and the last thoughts in most people's minds when they're faced with a tough situation are to see a therapist or focus on actually managing their own problems.
>>6895422
>aka do 10 chores every week and play video games for the rest of the time.
>implying
There's literally nothing wrong with the househusband dream. It's not always realistic and hedging your whole life on meeting a woman who's okay with you shacking up and keeping everything clean is stupid on multiple levels, but insulting people who fetishize the situation's pretty stupid too.
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>>6895384
Dommies just need to be smart about finding their qt just like the 35 year old with powdered eggs. Have a list of things he must have, things you can tolerate and things you will not put up with and go from there. Don't waste your time on compatibility if he's literally a neet looking for a free ride you wouldn't even introduce your acquaintance to. Just like with dating, just move on if it doesn't work.
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>>6895426
Ok future househusband, how many of these things do you do every week?
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>There's literally nothing wrong with the househusband dream. It's not always realistic and hedging your whole life on meeting a woman who's okay with you shacking up and keeping everything clean is stupid on multiple levels, but insulting people who fetishize the situation's pretty stupid too.
>>6895435

You say it's stupid to insult those who fetishize the househusband dream, but you literally just called it stupid yourself.

>Gfd pls
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>>6895440
not him
Are you against housewives too?
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>>6895440
>how many of those things that require someone else, or the actual home that allows you to diy and garden
You're disinvited from ever visiting my spotless apartment or later home, and ever partaking of the meals I make, nor for playdates with your future kids.

Hope you're happy, because I just got the perfect cast iron skillet for the pork chops I'm making tonight.
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>>6895447
Reading comprehension of a grade schooler.
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>>6895455
>>6895456

Samefag
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>>6895460
I mean it anon, you're disinvited and that's it.

Also, it's from Lodge but I haven't take the chops out of the freezer yet so at this rate it's more like early tomorrow morning but whatever
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>>6895460
"I won't be contacting you and also I have a cast iron skillet I plan to use in making pork chops" Sounds pretty honest, man.
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>>6895466
Oh no. Not the imaginary pork chops. I'm so very sorry anon, please let me pat your head to make the bad meanie to go away~.

I want you and only you to be my cutie househusbando. I'll sweep you off your feet with my natural amazonian strength while we ride off to the 2 million dollar mansion I bought for us at my company where I am the CEO.

Seriously anon...these threads are slow. You know a samefag when you see one. You're embarrassing yourself.
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>>6895495
https://gyazo.com/df2ef311a4ea2632c43ee06001b8eed4
Y'know, if you're gonna get butthurt, it's okay to go outside and shout. I'm sure you'll only wake your mom
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>>6895452
>Hope you're happy, because I just got the perfect cast iron skillet for the pork chops I'm making tonight.
Show us your chop, love.
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>>6895525
This is a board for 2D not 3D.
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>>6895535
Fuck the po lice
I want pictures of meat to drool over
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>>6895505
>Y'know, if you're gonna get butthurt, it's okay to go outside and shout. I'm sure you'll only wake your mom
For a moment I thought you said 'shoot' and figured you were american.
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>>6895541
Shouldn't you be going out to a men-centric gym, then?

>>6895543
Well, the right to bear arms IS great, but unfortunately not
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>>6895547
What kind of madman stores meat in a gym thats silly anon
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>>6895555
The madman advertising delicious hunks of MAN MEAT baby
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>>6895561
Mirin my quads, are you
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>>6895631
Vigorously defined quads, now show me your dubs and tris!
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>>6891816
>Any female who claims she's into feminism ... CAN'T be into gentle femdom.
This is truth.

She doesn't have to be an MRA. Just not a feminist. How can you be into a fetish that's about liking males and wanting to protect and love them, and also be a male-hater and think of them as oppressive, rapist dominant patriarchs? It does not make sense.
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>>6895660
What is a moderate and extremist for $200?

Or are feminists all extremists but MRAs can come in all level headed varieties?
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>>6895213
I recall seeing this before. Sauce? Or post rest of set.
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>>6895757
The person who made those is giving them away: http://alex-law.com/comics/bubblegum/bl.zip
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>>6895764
that last set... kek
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>>6895729
Crazy MRAs shitpost on 4chan.

Crazy, politically-influential, national level feminist organizations like NOW give out awards to women who ruin men's lives by falsely accusing them of rape: https://www.instagram.com/p/BHDhbIrjy3F/

Feminists are anti-male scum. Every last one of them. The "moderates" just provide legitimacy to the extremists.
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>>6895457
In other words you admit to being a misandrist hypocrite.
Fuck off, you're not welcome here.
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How about we all get over ourselves and admit that what bulges a person has where are secondary to the kind of person they are.

now continue with the porn.
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http://strawpoll.de/8a8fce6

I got baited by a femanon from one of these threads who promised me the househusband life then ghosted and ended up dating a tradcon chad. I just want to know if it's a realistic dream or do I need to focus more on college than qt househusband hobbies?
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>>6895829
Focus on college and career first, put your house skills on the side, find a solid relationship and work it out if you can both manage and want that sort of marriage
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>>6895466
Could I get a non-Fakku link on that pic please?
Name of the doujin is Rakshasi Editor Satou-san it seems but I can't find it anywhere else than Fakku and fuck Fakku. I can't even find the raw name so I can't track it on panda either.

Looks worth it so I'll dump a couple of gfd pics for it.
1/x
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>>6895466
>>6895835
2/x
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>>6895835
3/x
Might not be to everyone's taste but to me there doesn't need to be a guy in the picture. Some girls definitely have that "motherly" aura around them that make them special to me and definitely attract me.

Others like that? Talking of pic related of course.
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>>6895832
That's exactly my point. I don't need college if enough doms are around who will take care of me.
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>>6895835
Another like that : >>6895840.
4/x
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>>6895835
5/5 I'm done posting now. Cheers.
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>>6895835
I'm afraid that you won't find it anywhere else than Fakku because it's Wani-mag material and Fakku hold the Global (minus Japan) distribution rights.

You should know enough that wanimag is instantly expunged then deleted from sadpanda, and C&Ds to other sites ward them off too.

Sorry.
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>>6895841
Plan for the worst case desu.
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>>6895841
Except the point of a relationship and marriage is to take care of each other, and you are not going to find any decent relationship before you finish college. Not happening.

Finish college, get a job, then find someone.
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>>6895829
Women say and promise a lot of things. But remember that you must always be self-sufficient both financially and emotionally. Househusbando and /rr/ are nice fantasies, but you have to live in the real world too.
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>>6895835
there's a direct dl on panda backup apparently
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>>6895848
Thanks for the info.

>>6895862
Yeah I've been trying to hunt a download since anon^ informed me. I'll post it if I find any.
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>>6895866
Found a spanish one off google actually : http://www.buenaisla.net/tema/hentai-Rakshasi-Editor-Satou-san-33715

Still hoping to find a raw or english one eventually though.
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>>6895866
i have it right in front of my eyes, man (miss?)
but yeah, i don't really want to post it because i knew some dirty rat sometimes lurks on 4chan and i wouldn't want the site to get in trouble

/archive/18006/
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>>6895829
Even a woman in a traditional country shouldn't rely on her housemaking, so neither should you.
It's a bit of a tired cliche but you can't enjoy a relationship when you're 100% dependant, even if a bdsm lifestyle is attractive you need to have that self confidence that you enjoy being with that person instead of just putting up with them so they will pay your bills. The knowledge that if it goes south that you will be able to become self-sufficient again is the best kind of strength.

Plus desperation is gross.
I only date cute embarrassed subs that have a secret weak side that I can have all to myself, not pathetic losers that want a 'mommy' daycarer
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>>6895409
i never said anyone should do stuff cuz i am sad or for any other reason but i talked about hurting myself a lot, and i didn't use it as leverage, is that ok? to talk about my emotions? i don't wanna manipulate or guilt anyone in fact i want to date someone who can hit me to put me in my place and will hold me close, i'm clingy but i always let them talk to friends, but no one i have dated is that active non-virtually, but i supported them as much as i could and said sorry lots am i bad or good am i trash???
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>>6895883
sent.
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>>6895886
Got it. Thanks anon. <3
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As we approach bump limit, I'd like to remind everyone that the new thread gets created when this one falls to page 10, and that the OP text and opening posts used in this thread are the wrong ones.
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If that's not too much asked I'd appreciate if people could link up the new thread at the end of the previous one. All generals I visit are like that I don't know why people never do it here.
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>>6895897
We usually do that. The OP of this edition in particular didn't link it to the previous thread because he was afraid of getting criticized for making the thread too early.
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>>6895897
The last one did.
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>>6895900
>>6895907
Sorry I meant sometimes, not never.
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>>6895876
So basically you want Chad except submissive behind close doors.

Oh and calling people who don't meet your standards 'pathetic losers'. What a wonderful person you are, I feel sorry for anyone who has the misfortune to date you.
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>>6894642
So, about that picture... how do you all feel about not just domming a big softie but also about fixating him and riling him up at your own pace and mercy, until you think his mind is blank enough and his body ready, so you can enjoy the work you put into him?
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>>6896006
>Calling anyone in the world who can be self-supporting a Chad
R-right.

I'm not calling everyone who can't a pathetic loser either, only expressing a personal dislike for those types who say they want a domme when actually they want a live-in carer. Where is your reading comprehension?
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>>6896043
>Necrosis dick
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>>6896028
Not him, but the phrasing in the last sentence of the post he was responding to was a little awkward. The "secret weak side" part, especially the word "secret", implies that you want a submissive guy who is also attractive in a "Chad" way in public. Given that a lot of guys here do not fit that image (not as tall, not as muscular, etc.) and that these guys have less value in the traditional dating market, you can see why that might be upsetting. Also, the way you grouped the descriptors in a 'this, not that' way makes it seem like you think that subs only fall into one of those two categories.

I'm not saying your preferences are invalid, I'm just asking you to exercise precision of language like you did here.
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>>6896070
I can understand what you mean, thanks for explaining it to me in a non-inflammatory way.
I do have my own personal attractions when it comes to subs but I didn't mean to imply that only guys who face the public as 'Chads' are acceptable in general. Subs come in all different types, and there are all sorts of dommes out there for them.
For me, I look for a person worth holding power over to begin with.

I stand by my hatred of people that expect dommes to be babysitters, though!
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>>6891732
dear sweet jesus, lancer is always getting cock.
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>>6896091
>images.png

Nice try you tumblrcunt, but we're all fed up with your bullshit. Stop trying to derail the conversation.
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What anime from the list should i see?
No monster musume or witchcraft works pls
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>>6896086
This thread? Feminist? Anything remotely feminist posted on this thread gets dogpiled by MRAs (despite this being a FEMDOM thread).
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>>6896081
Wow anon. Its pretty fucked up to criticize others dreams you know.
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>>6896081
>I stand by my hatred of people that expect dommes to be babysitters, though!
You're far from alone among both dommes and subs in thinking that. Even the subs who want to go full househusband seem like they want to put their all into it, which is a non-zero amount of effort.
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>>6896121
Role-playing mommygf/littleanon with a girl is hot as fuck but its not a relationship you can live full time. Ultimately two partners in a relationship should treat each other as equals, no matter who is the breadwinner or who stays at home.
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>>6896081
>I stand by my hatred of people that expect dommes to be babysitters, though!

the way I see it is that there's not really anything wrong per se with dommes being babysitters but there's everything wrong with guys who have a blanket expectation for that without being willing to give a hell of a lot in return. It's a very demanding thing to run somebody else's life completely like that, and even those of us who enjoy it need their effort to be reciprocated somehow. Most of the typical 'i want a mommy' types seem to have no interest in their potential partner's wants or needs, and *that* is the problem, not necessarily the fetish itself. It's a general AB problem, not just the guys here.
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>>6896116
Actually it's a gentle femdom thread which is about loving and caring for men rather than female supremacy. See: >>6895660
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>>6896129
>It's a general AB problem, not just the guys here.
Yes. I'd say some of the girls here have the same problem. Wanting a guy who will obey their every whim and be their pet for them to dote on when it suits them but also provide and take charge in social situations, while just being content that a girl is giving them sex and indulging their fetish. I speak from experience.
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>>6896150
Exactly. Wanting something for nothing is selfish and shitty no matter who's doing it.
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>>6896129
sauce?
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>>6896150
There will be failures on every side, agreed. Being dominant in an actual romantic relationship doesn't work unless you care about them as a person or their limits in the same way that a sub needs to treat you as more than just fetish fuel. The best relationships are built on co-operation, even if there is a sub and a dom. There's no reason why a casual or one-time thing can't be as unbalanced as a fantasy but that can't work forever without being bad for at least one side.
It's so nice to see this side of /gfd/, I'm almost tempted to screencap them so that I can look at them and cry during future flamewars
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>>6896169
dropped
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>>6896160
That's from Monster Musume, it's an ecchi harem manga about monster girls. It's pretty popular in this thread.

>>6896169
>Being dominant in an actual romantic relationship doesn't work unless you care about them as a person
That applies to romantic relationships in general though, doesn't it?
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>>6896129
>AB problem
What did you mean by this?
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>>6896214
AB= adult baby. They tend to have a lot of the same issues with wanting everything without thinking about what they could actually give a partner who put that much effort in.
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>>6895319
Yeah, I can't really condemn/dismiss the guy like others have, because I understand him. Eventually you reach a point where you either feel like you don't deserve to get help, or you think it's too late for even the best help in the world to get you what you really want.
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>>6895457
>No, but I know how normal relationships work.
That would be relevant if this weren't a thread devoted to the total opposite of "normal relationships".
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>>6896243
But how can you bear to then push that on somebody else who obviously cares about you? Isn't that a supremely shitty 'take everyone else down with me' attitude?
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>>6896253
When you're in as much pain as I presume that guy is, you'll do ANYTHING to make it stop. There's probably also a part of him that hates himself and feels that he isn't worthy of love, and so it deliberately tries to drive away people who might care about him.
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Question for y'all. The board title is "role reversal". Does that mean that the woman takes the dominant role in the relationship ala Amazonian women (eg the man is considered the "delicate" gender that the women pamper and treat gently)? The title is also "gentle femdom", but I'm seeing like zero "role reversal". Just calling boys "studs" and talking about making them wear panties or shoving things up their butts.

Any good role reversal green that isn't just weird dom/sub stuff? Cuz I'm a big fan of stuff like A Brother's Price.
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>>6896187
>That applies to romantic relationships in general though, doesn't it?
Yeah, but some mistaken people seem to think that if they can't have normal functioning relationships then they can just jump ship to a /d/ relationship instead, like how if some of the usual requirements or expectations are missing or different in a /d/ relationship then surely *all* things that usually make a normal relationship can be bypassed too
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>>6896306
A lot of Taiyakisoba's stuff has good role reversal. I'd recommend The Dragon's Heart, Under the Falcon's Wing, and A Taste for Christmas Cake. A list of his relevant works can be found here: >>6887145. (I apologize for the link to an archived thread, but the OP of this thread fucked up the links.) We don't have too many greentext-style stories about it, though.

>A Brother's Price
I love that book! Too bad it seems to be the only published literature that invokes role reversal well.
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>>6896306
There's some rr here but sometimes more is posted, go find some to share? Also try the lift/carry thread
>>6896028
>>6896006
>>6895150
>>6894839
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>>6891704
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>>6896306
>Question for y'all. The board title is "role reversal". Does that mean that the woman takes the dominant role in the relationship ala Amazonian women (eg the man is considered the "delicate" gender that the women pamper and treat gently)?
Yes. There's just been a trend in recent threads where some people have decided to deride guys who are into that as "having mommy issues", as well as people talking about the stereotypical "traditionally masculine, but submissive in the bedroom" kind of sub. It seems that even here, the influence of traditional roles is hard to escape from.

>The title is also "gentle femdom", but I'm seeing like zero "role reversal". Just calling boys "studs" and talking about making them wear panties or shoving things up their butts.
That's also a result of the aforementioned recent trend.
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Given that my lady is

>naturally submissive
>shows signs of willingness to dom in bed
>completely in love with me (and nearly vice versa)

how do I get her to be more controlling in the bedroom? can I get her to change ways or is it hopeless?
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>>6896317
>>6896320
>>6896349
Thanks, friends. This is a big help.
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>>6896362
>Hey babe can you try to be more dominant in bed every once in a while?
There you go pal that's it.
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>>6896362
is any of you two into chastity? because a nice period of teasing with no release followed by a "'now i'll do everything you want" could do miracles...
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>>6896349
As one of the more vocally "mommy stuff is gross" anons who loves /rr/ I disagree with the connection you're making there. If anything, stuff with the mommy vibe feels the opposite of /rr/ to me because it's too much like a traditional gender role. I like house husbands and breadwinner women! I like girls carrying their delicate tired boyfriends home after a night of drinking gets to them! As discussed, protecting and caring doesn't have to mean mothering.

>>6896376
This
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>>6896436
>I like house husbands and breadwinner women! I like girls carrying their delicate tired boyfriends home after a night of drinking gets to them! As discussed, protecting and caring doesn't have to mean mothering.
The people I was talking about consider even that to be "mommy issues" territory.

Besides, I don't see anything wrong with being into more maternal stuff. There are women who want "fathering" from men, and they don't get nearly as much flak for it.
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>>6896467
I guess those other anons aren't worth your time to even fight with then, less /rr/ fun for them
I do personally hate the mothering stuff with a passion, but yeah as long as it's not lazily/selfishly onesided then I can't and won't argue against it. Everyone has personal tastes.
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>>6896112
Akame ga kill is worth watching simply for esdeath and her interactions with the sorta-main male character. I really liked Claymore also, though there isn't much /gfd/ in it. Just a kind of /rr/ shounen anime where most of the fighters are female. Both of those have crap endings though, so keep that in mind.

I also liked Aku no Hana, which is not listed here. Whether you will like it depends a lot on if you can tolerate deviation from the standard kawaii uguu anime art style. It's not /gfd/ but the kind-of "dom" girl character is like a schoolgirl version of tyler durden. Ending to that also is kinda meh though.

Another one was suggested a couple threads ago about a slice-of-life type anime where a male student joins a majority female school and ends up on their student council. Can't remember the name right now. The female schoolmates regularly imagine sexual overtones in mundane stuff. The general dynamic is pretty nice in it with the girls just naturally leading while the guy follows along.
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>>6896508
onidere is also an option
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>>6896112
>What anime from the list should i see?
I'd recommend Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun if you want something silly and lighthearted.
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>>6896508
The anime you're thinking of is Seitokai Yakuindomo.
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>>6896528
>These days I also flip character genders in books using good old search and replace and edit-as-you-read on a computer. I'm surprised at how satisfying I find the result.
I think that's one of the best ways to explain /gfd/ and /rr/ to people who don't understand it - take a normal romance/erotica and just reverse the sexes.
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>>6896556
>take a normal romance/erotica and just reverse the sexes.
Yeah, that's a good way to explain it, but I do it for regular non-romance books as well. I did it with the first Harry Potter book and it was wonderful. You suddenly have so many female characters who are more overtly heroic or villainous and male characters who look up to them.

I'm looking forward to do the same for the 2nd HP book. Wanna read about Harriet Potter saving shota Gerry Weasley from monsters.
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>>6895422
sorry for the late response, but yeah I did.
I was originally drawn to him by his idea to be a house husband and cooking skills. He was so cute when he talked about cooking, but it seemed like being a house husband was his only goal in life.

I'm all for the house husband dream, it seems like a dream to have someone cook me meals and help me pick up after work when I'm too tired to do anything. but it should never, ever be your only goal in life.
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>>6896595
well it sounds like he was a depressing loser so that's probably clouding your judgment, but i don't really see the issue with just wanting to keep the house nice and tidy to make your girlfriend happy?
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>>6896607
Not her, but if cooking and cleaning is all you're going to make your life, then you're leaving out a lot of free time that you could otherwise be doing something productive with but as many housewives go these days, don't [and end up cheating/marital faults and cracks appear]. As a couple, you support each other, and you put as much as you can into supporting yourselves as a couple.

Keeping a home doesn't always cover it alone unless one partner works a very strenuous job to pay for it, and/or kids are involved, and even then, it's a good idea to have more than just "I look after kids and the house and food" to your life, more for your own good, as being housebound with nothing to do and no breaks from repetition gets incredibly damaging to your psyche.

t. experienced with useless stay at home mom and single mom elder sisters
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>>6896630
If it's convenient to be employed and also do the househusbando role, shouldn't the domme do housework too? Isn't she lazy and not worth your time if all she does is her regular job?
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>>6896636
No, because she's a woman and women have inherent value due to their pussy, while men are disposable. /gfd/ isn't going to change that. Only a men's rights movement will.
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>>6896636
if the domme is the primary breadwinner she probably would have a more strenuous job and longer hours
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>>6896646
no one cares about your shit opinions
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>>6896636
>what is working part time
>what is practising a hobby that provides incidental income
>what is working from home
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>>6896636
If she earns more and works harder, then not really no. Doing housework (which isn't a big deal if you're used to it, and do it regularly enough for it to take a only a half hour) is what you add ontop of working to make up not earning.
Less strictly speaking, sure there can be a little help, but don't wait for your waifu to come home and whine at her because she didn't wash the dishes or help you clean up.

Also, you can seek productive activities that aren't necessarily wage work if you wanted to. I'd like to see about a machine shop, or carpentry, and gardening, or considering what I'm studying at college, freelance work.
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>>6896659
Forgot pic
Also
>Machine shop
Is more work based I probably shouldn't have included that considering the JESUS CHRIST HOW MUCH DO THESE MACHINES HAVE TO COST WHY ARE MY EYES SO WET RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE BANK KNOCKING ON MY DOOR HELP
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>>6896647
Not necessarily. Blue-collar jobs can be strenuous and have long hours but pay lower than white collar ones.

I'm trying to find what is the acceptable level of "effort" that both parties must contribute? Should the domme always earn more to justify her not doing housework?

>>6896649
I do care about opinions like those!
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>>6896646
>/gfd/ isn't going to change that.
It will if people stop trying to sneak traditional values into it.
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>>6896649
Male disposability is the whole reason so many regular people despise /gfd/ for implying that men have inherent value.
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>>6896666
Fuck off satan, you can pry my values from my cold dead skull.
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>>6896664
>Blue-collar jobs can be strenuous and have long hours but pay lower than white collar ones
Then you're doing it wrong

The acceptable level of effort for each party is what a couple has to equitably decide that it is, and be able to negotiate, discuss and work on if it it doesn't work out, else you're leading yourself into a territory where either side will feel like they're not valued enough, which if not sensibly talked about, fosters resentment
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>>6896653
>hobby that provides incidental income
Could you please provide examples? I'm genuinely curious.
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>>6896670
I hate feminists and traditionalists equally. Both are enemies of male liberation. That may sound a little dramatic, but it's true.
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>>6896678
probably fixing or crafting stuff, i guess?
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>>6896187
>That applies to romantic relationships in general though, doesn't it?

The trouble is that it is easier to get caught up in something unhealthy in BDSM relationships - unless both parties are vigilant and mature enough to recognize and call out red flags as they see them.

When things are strictly vanilla, the line between 'play' and 'abuse' is pretty crystal. Admittedly, some people still get messed up here. But as soon as domination and submission gets into the mix, things get really grey, really fast.

The ratio of good doms to bad ones (regardless of gender) is far too low, imo.
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>>6896678
Carpentry, crafting, homestead gardening, gardenwork, kitchen goods like baking and preserves.
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>>6896678
Anything that you get commissions for, I'd imagine. So art comes to mind. Or for the housewife stereotype, the sort of shit you find on Etsy.
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>>6896678
Mostly artistic things that are difficult to actually make into a career.

Like drawing? Do commissions, start a patreon, etc.
Play an instrument? Give private lessons, do small gigs at local venues.
Handy with tools? Do repair work, or if you're creative you could even restore furniture.
Good with computers? Do tech support/setup or custom PC builds.

You won't make that much money but its infinitely better than just doing housework and watching TV like a lot of American housewives do.
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>>6896675
>The acceptable level of effort for each party is what a couple has to equitably decide that it is
Yes... and what would that be in the case of an /rr/ relationship?

Is a "domme" getting with a 6 feet+ hulk who is gainfully employed and does all the housework while she may give him a headpat or jokingly call him a slut every once in a while an example of an /rr/ relationship?
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>>6896700
Are you retarded or just salty and want to push a really stupid point?
It's not hard to figure out, is it? Is it really? Really now?
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>>6896697
>tfw the only hobby I'm really good at is sewing
Well I guess I'm fucked.
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>>6896710
>Are you going to bring out the "lonely losers like you will never get a domme" thing now?
No but it's almost as if you're begging to say it yourself
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>>6896713
That's the most housewifey hobby in existence though.
>sell custom embroidered shit on Etzi
>fix everyone's clothes so you don't have to buy new stuff, or have expensive stuff last longer
>make sikk quilts, sweaters, and dresses
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i'm just wondering, where's love in all that?
is your bank account balance (that ultimately doesn't mean much as long as you have enough to live comfortably) really that important?
can't you just be happy with someone that makes a lot more money than you?
are you really supposed to feel bad for not making money?

>>6896713
sewing is cool, and i remember reading somewhere that custom made bras are miles better than anything a girl could buy
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>>6896713
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>>6896725
>is your bank account balance (that ultimately doesn't mean much as long as you have enough to live comfortably) really that important?
>can't you just be happy with someone that makes a lot more money than you?
>are you really supposed to feel bad for not making money?
Number one reason for divorce in America is money, second is adultery. If the stay-at-home partner has a part-time job or a hobby that they enjoy it alleviates both of those conflicts and will make the relationship more stable.
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>>6896725
>i'm just wondering, where's love in all that?
>are you really supposed to feel bad for not making money?
Going by all the answers so far, yeah, if you are a guy.
Apparently you are just lazy and looking for a mommy if you don't have a job along with being a househusbando.

Also if you ask whether similar obligations must be placed on dommes, like ensuring they always earn more or also do housework along with having a job, they throw a predictable shit fit.

And really, can you expect women to love just a househusband? Such oppression!

>it's almost as if you're begging to say it yourself
Not being single stops that.
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>>6896607
if your entire life banks on being someone else and you don't have a fallback plan (no job, not in school) you're absolutely fucked if you can't find someone else. Not to mention, that puts a lot of pressure on whoever you DO end up dating. What if the person you end up with doesn't make enough income to support you both? then what?

like I said, it should never, ever be your only goal in life. emphasis on only.
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>>6896740
Would you say the same thing to a woman who wanted to be a housewife?
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>>6896722
I sometimes make my own clothes, but I hadn't ever thought about selling them. Embroidery is awful, though; never again. Thank you for your helpful response.

>>6896725
>custom made bras
I think you're glossing over some pretty big issues there.
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>>6896739
>What do you mean I can't bank my entire life on finding someone let me laze around as a housewife like I see on TV
>You're anti male and throwing a shit fit if I can't take you obvious points to moderate what your roles because it damages my desire to be a disgusting leech on society and another human being!
>if she doesn't want to take me into her home, pay for me, clothe me, feed me, and give me sex, while all I do is nothing but watch soaps and get fat, then it's not love!
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>>6896745
Obviously not you retard, I mean of course they're on a pedastal just like you said
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>>6896747
>disingenuous implications
Still no answer to what the expectations and responsibilities should be of a domme in an /rr/ relationship.

Nice try trying to make it personal.
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>>6896747
>if she doesn't want to take me into her home, pay for me, clothe me, feed me, and give me sex, while all I do is nothing but watch soaps and get fat, then it's not love!
Nice assumptions there. I'd be more than willing to stay in shape and all that. I need to look good in the g-string she'd make me wear all the time, when she lets me wear anything at all. Also, sex isn't something women "give" men.
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>>6896745
abso-fucking-lutely.
though pussy is put on a pedestal not every girl can end up in a house wife situation.
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>>6896754
>I'm not the one being disingenuous and idiotic to subvert the thread into gender politics again
>NO IT'S YOU!
If I wanted to make it personal, I could've called you permaneet trash who may as well leech of society since it's more efficient.
But I didn't.

>>6896755
Then if you're not actually this stupid, why are you having trouble with the fact that exactitudes aren't relevant? You should damn well know I can't tell you what your share of the relationship should or would be because it's your responsibility to work that out yourself with her.
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>>6896759
>exactitudes aren't relevant
Except the implication that subs who don't have a job in addition to doing housework are lazy leeches.

Are you male, anon?
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>>6896764
>Exactitudes
>Implications
You know it's called underage banned for a reason, right?
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>>6896739
I know, right? It's like they're saying guys have inherent worth and desirability even if they're not bringing money to the table! What the fuck? Who do they think they are, human beings?
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>>6896770
>Men have inherent worth
hahah you think women have inherent worth just because you want to get off?
This is 2016, kid, grow up
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>>6896771
>Implying implications I'm straight out of /v/ but what I say doesn't matter because I'm right and you're wrong even if I contradict myself within the same sentence
Whatcha gonna do next, cry about dog whistle racism in a Trump speech?
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>>6896772
>the current year meme
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Haha, glad to see everything is how it was a few months ago. never change /gfd/.

[spoiler]I'm kidding. Do change. this place is still a mess.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I still love you tho.[/spoiler]
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>>6896780
>>6896782
Just remember to vote UKIP and Trump 2016
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This shit hardly gentle! What the fuck?
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>>6896772
I prefer to believe everyone has inherent worth instead of believing no one does. I'm an idealist that way.
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>>6896786
Yeah, where are the stories from the /gotraped/ boys?
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>>6896670
I hope the behaviour of many here regarding the expectations of men in relationships and the outrage over having similar ones for women shows people why arguments made by men's groups have merit.
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>it's 2016 and people STILL think men have inherrent worth
Hah you MRA dumbcucks are funny.
The only man with worth is my Chad in the streets, Sub in the sheets boyfriend that has a 7 figure salary while still doing all the housework like a good husbando and also lets me have an open relationship like a good sub :) In return I jerk him off and give him a headpat once a month, that's all he needs right?

All the other guys who aren't figuratively clones of him are disgusting pathetic virgin leeches who deserve to be alone FOREVER because it's clearly their fault women don't love them and not because they're treated as disposable by women.

Yes, I am implying there is a society-wide attitude problem when it comes to how women see men. Blame unrestrained sexuality, "Muh 80-20" ect.
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>>6896794
>Thinking nothing said about the lay about househusbands wannabes goes doubly for women
>woops better link it to gender politics!
I want people like you to fuck off
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>>6896795
Issues/10 go see a therapist
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>>6896795

Your lack of real-life social interaction with normal women is showing.
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>>6896807
>he's complaining about women shaming men for being sexually unsuccessful? better prove him wrong by shaming him for being sexually unsuccessful
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>>6891250
Junkrat?
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>>6896807
Your ignorance of the expectations placed on men is showing.
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>>6896820
>He thinks its all about sex
Go home Return of Kings
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>>6896831
What?
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Christ sometimes I wish I was a dominant male or submissive female so I would be active member of the M/f community and not have to deal with the rampant retardation from both sides in the F/m community.

This thread exemplifies everything wrong with it, and it's not even limited to just this thread it's all over the fucking internet and even a few of the F/m specific events I've been to in real life.

It's honestly pathetic that F/m is way more toxic and negative than the M/f community despite being like 10x smaller.
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>>6896835
What did you expect from giving women power? There is a reason why they were kept out of public institutions until the past few decades.
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>>6896839

What part of

>from both sides

do you not understand?
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>>6896835
>Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Don't fucking start gender politics in the first place
This all started because some cunts got offended that they couldn't decide to be househusbands like the housewifes on TV, and live a life of luxury and abandon at someone else's expense, and took every opportunity to say OH THAT JUST MEANS THAT YOU THINK ONLY CHAAAADS GET THE GIRLS

Being a cunt and whining about it doesn't fucking help either, even if you had exactly zero to do with it in the first place, because you're just justifying the idea that this IS a place to whine and bitch.

You're falling on your own sword
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>>6896835
F/m goes against the norm, while M/f just takes the norm a little farther. I think that's one of the reasons F/m has more difficulties. Submissive women don't have tons of people from both sexes calling them subhuman pieces of shit.
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>>6896835
>>6896844
It would help if you were more specific about what your actual issues are. Your statements so far don't tell us much about where you stand on things.
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>>6896820

Like

>>6896831 said

my argument had nothing to do with sex and everything to do with most women in the real world don't act this way. At least from my experiences, but maybe because I'm almost certainly one of the oldest people if not the oldest person in this thread.
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>>6896866
Aww, did baby turn 20 today?
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JESUS SHIT
PLEASE JUST STOP
TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, ANYTHING OTHER THAN THIS BULLSHIT
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>>6896956
no.
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>>6896253
Sometimes you can't, and you let your best chances get away because you know they deserve someone who wants them but dosnt need them as you do
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>>6896311
Oh, yeah, you see that a lot in the BDSM scene too. People who can't meet the basic empathy requirements for a normal relationship aren't going to do any better with a kinky one.

>>6896700
Sometimes I think the big sub guys need to take the idiots like you implying that women are't dominant if they like big guys, and sort you out. It must be horrendously annoying to be a lonely big guy who can't find a domme and see someone like you saying every single thread that anyone who likes them doesn't count as a domme anyway. You guys* think 'traditional values in muh gfd' is what's damaging your sexual market value but you're honestly just obnoxious and shitty people with a crabs in a barrel mentality towards other men.

* this statement referring to the men who whine on about how wrong it is for dommes to like big guys, not all the men in the thread
morning /gfdrr/ is always so astoundingly shitty, I blame the americans
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>>6897005
>big guys
I dare anyone here to write femCIA/bane wordporn.
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>>6897005
>Sometimes I think the big sub guys need to take the idiots like you implying that women are't dominant if they like big guys, and sort you out.
Threatening people with violence because they disagree with you. Classy. Hell, you're not even directly threatening the violence yourself; instead, you're threatening people with male proxy violence on your behalf. A classic tactic of traditional women.

>You guys* think 'traditional values in muh gfd' is what's damaging your sexual market value
No, we just don't particularly care for traditionalism in a thread dedicated to going against traditionalism.

>but you're honestly just obnoxious and shitty people
Yes, yes, and that means we'll be alone forever. Keep on cracking that pink whip.
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>>6897031
>"pink whip".
>muh traditionalism
>histrionic molyneux-esque "DO YOU WANT ME DEAD? DO YOU WANT ME DEAD?"

you're a pretty silly guy, you know that?
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>>6897039
Taking the bait response to bait, you need to lurk more friend
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>>6897039
Indeed, your rhetoric and logic are above reproach. I have been thoroughly convinced of the flaws of my arguments. Thank you for enlightening me.
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>>6897048
You sound really defensive, anon. You should loosen up.
>>6897045
:)
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>>6897039
being concerned about your own well being is so SILLY
you should just allow yourself to be degraded and cucked by society like i do

:)
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>>6897005
>Sometimes I think the big sub guys need to take the idiots like you implying that women are't dominant if they like big guys, and sort you out.
And sometimes I think the big domme girls need to take the people like you who constantly shit on the guys in this thread, and sort YOU out.
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>>6897067
No wonder you're so wound up, I imagine life is hard when your well being hinges on internet arguments. Get well soon buddy!
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>>6897005
>I think the big sub guys need to take the idiots like you implying that women are't dominant if they like big guys, and sort you out.
Description of that relationship touched a nerve, did it? The guy being big was just a common trait of an ideal non-/rr/ relationship, the real focus was what the domme guarantees in the relationship to make it /rr/.

Nobody said anything about sexual value or loneliness or that it's wrong for the guy to be bigger. Just what the roles and expectations were of the parties in an /rr/ relationship and what made their relationship /rr/.

But you already knew that and just wanted to pounce on another opportunity to put down and wish harm upon those you don't like.

For the record, I already said earlier in the thread that it's foolish to become dependent in real life and self-sufficiency is always something you must have. But even the suggestion of a guy taking on a role that billions of women in relationships already do is scandalous in a thread about that very concept.
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>>6897106
>I already said earlier in the thread that it's foolish to become dependent in real life and self-sufficiency is always something you must have
This post >>6895860 was made by me. Forgot to link it in my earlier post.
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>>6897105
there's no need to project your issues onto me
you should have some respect for yourself and stop kowtowing to feminist whores
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>>6897114
So bud, can you tell me why a cartoon pornography forum pertains to your well being?
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Just a reminder, if you shitpost /gfd/ threads, you don't deserve a relationship~

maybe there's a reason you're lonely and miserable you bitter cunts
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Please stop fighting. We're all suppose to be on the same team here.

You people are the only people I know who understand this part of me, and I can't handle another set of peers in my life in turmoil.

All I ever want is harmony in this world. How can I sit by and let the community that has helped me come to grasp with myself self destruct?

Please.
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>>6897135
>>6897141
Forgot to quote for the >LALALA YOU GET NO SEX comment

Also I just realized how it's kind of lewd that the button to make a post is labeled as "Submit".
>tfw no moderator gf to clean the thread with
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>>6897133
4chan posts are inconsequential in themselves, but they are the result of broad social trends with real-world consequences for men

you knew what i was saying, of course, but you're trying to deflect and be snarky because you don't have an actual argument
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>>6897145
anon, you really thought this was an argument? i just said i find your posts to be amusingly foolish, and implied that you were an easy poster to identify by the things you like to say
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>>6897154
But people who believe they don't deserve a relationship are more likely to shitpost, because what do they care when they have nothing left to lose?

Don't start that vicious cycle by condemning them, anon. There are more positive and constructive ways to prevent unpleasant posts.
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>>6897144
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>>6897136
>Please stop fighting. We're all suppose to be on the same team here.
Well, more or less. I think part of the problem is /rr/ and /gfd/ (and particularly the fanbases) don't overlap as much as people assume.
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>>6897154
Fuck off with this fake neutrality bullshit. You are obviously a feminist who wants to stifle all discussion of men's issues in this thread. You gave yourself away with this:
>if. you. shitpost. you. don't. deserve. a relationship.


Kill yourself you worthless cunt, your only use to society is the hole between your legs.
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Off-topic, but I've been playing a bunch cheesy Japanese dating sim games on mobile, particularly the ones targeted towards Japanese girls, and using my own name for the female protagonist.
>tfw no aggressively forward cardio bunny gf to outrun me and joke about how slow I am while wiping the sweat from my forehead with a wet towel
>tfw no popular gf to hold me tight and say she's proud of me and wants to introduce me to her parents
>the no hikki gf to lock me in her room and coax me into letting her massage my thighs
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>>6897214
What sort of titles, anon? I'm curious
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>>6897136
This
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>>6897005
Gfd was supposed to be the chance for 4/10 and lower guys with undesirable bodies, social skills, and characteristics to suddenly become >literally Stacy of the (gfd) dating world.

And here we have a good deal of doms who want a Dom in the streets, sub in the sheets boyfriend. Of course there is an outrage.
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>>6897221
>Gfd was supposed to be the chance for 4/10 and lower guys with undesirable bodies, social skills, and characteristics to suddenly become >literally Stacy of the (gfd) dating world.
Is bait
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>>6897136
The more exclusive the community is, the more people will leave. If more leave, there will be less competetion. If there is less competetion, you will have a better chance to get a Dom.
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>>6897226
What is the "stereotypical gfd male" in most of the greentexts and stories here?

Blushing and stuttering
Shorter than most/shorter than the dom
Submissive in public and in private
Unable or unwilling to make the first move or any move for that matter
Ends up taken care of by the Dom/swept off his feet
Physically weaker than the Dom and especially other men
Wants to be seen as beautiful instead of handsome
Fragile and delicate
Needs to be physically protected by the Dom because he is unable to protect himself
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>>6897248
4/10 implies fugly, not julian lovebutton.
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>>6897226
>Is bait
Nah. The only problem with what he said is that he's talking about /rr/ more than /gfd/. Because with how the current dating game goes, even a 4/10 woman with a shitty personality and a bad body can still EASILY get a caring partner and provider for life.
It's not hard to see why so many 'Urgh disgusting low quality' men would be drawn in by the idea of reversed roles, where they can be loved for existing and not for their resources.
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>>6897248
>What is the "stereotypical gfd male" in most of the greentexts and stories here?
What is "These stories are written for and by these kinds of males" for 500? Your argument would only hold weight if you could list a number of stories written by domme women, based of their own preferences in men.
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>>6897266
What argument?
What he's saying is true. Unfortunately very few, if any, dominant women want in their partners what dominant men are attracted to in theirs. Dommes are usually either desperate older women who prefer the big/strong manly man but will settle for anything, or trendy college-aged women who have enough of a pool of men to be able to dom the big handsome muscleman-types exclusively. The only real place for short, effeminate, bottoming men is in the gay crowd.
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>>6897274
Read who I replied to assclown. He was insinuating dommes want weak stuttering manlets because that's what is written in /gfd/ stories. I'm saying the same thing you are.
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>>6897280
Fuck. Can't you just respond to my bait as if I was in the wrong anyways?
I've been at it for a few threads now and I've only been able to rile up two or three pissy MRAs.
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>>6897283
Stop shitposting Tyler
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>>6897287
Second time I've been accused of being somebody from an external site.
please keep your private club kik/skype/tinychat drama out
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>>6897280
Oh, my point was >>6897221

Gfd stories were and are created for betas by betas because they want to be chased after and lusted for the way chad is.

these threads are just weak effeminate betas getting assblasted at the subs who doms are attracted to (subchad) because they want a piece of the pussy pie/insane pussy soaking hunger chad evokes in women.

Let's not forget that most long term relationship partners will be introduced to the family. Their choice of mate reflects on them as a person and they will be judged by everyone they love. Will you be seen as worthy by her father? Or a burden she would be better off without?

Then people tell them what to do to be more attractive to women and they shun all advice because they want to be loved without having to put effort in. Telling other subs that they have innate value and should be cherished will only lead them to feel that they are entitled to love/sex/mommydoms and they don't need to improve themselves to get it. Its getting rid of competetion early, I totally understand.

You could wait around for a Dom to sweep you off your feet and take you to her 50 million dollar mansion that she bought from her busy businesslady job where you never have to work a day in your life and she sucks you dry for hours a day. You could also work on your body, diet, career, hobbies, social skills and go to bdsm meetups or clubs where doms may be found.

It would be wonderful if everyone could be loved for who they are and they one finds their match/gfd monstergirl waifu and lives happily ever after, but we live in the real world where gender dynamics are real (in multiple forms and subcultures:here) and you are likely to lose if you choose to ignore or defy it.
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>>6897013
>No one cared who I was until I put on the mascara
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>>6891168
For manga: Haru-nee ga Boku ni xx Suru Riyuu
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>all this foot fetish imagery
I really don't get it. It's feet. You walk on them. How is that sexy?
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>>6897309
Pure foot fetishes are something I've always had trouble understanding, but the being stepped on thing is completely understandable, although it's not my fetish.
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>>6897005
That looks like two dudes.
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>>6897309
I'm a handfag, but I love the articulation and constant movement. People almost alwayd idly gesture with their hands and often express their feelings about whatever it is they're doing in a way they otherwise wouldn't feel comfortable to express verbally. How the skin crimps and flattens itself around the joints is really interesting to watch.

Pressing a few fingertips against the table with some force, rolling a wrist back and forth, doesn't matter, it all turns me on on multiple levels.

I've always imagined feet guys have something similar going on, us phalange-bros have to stick together.
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>>6897309
Some people find feet sexually attractive and aesthetic, and there's a level of power play inherent to play with feet, BECAUSE they are the parts of your body you walk on, and are so, the lower and less respectable parts of your body.

You wouldn't say letting someone step on your dick or making you lick them is something dominant now, would you?

>>6897312
>I don't understand the literally meaning of a fetish.
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>>6897299
>It would be wonderful if everyone could be loved for who they are and they one finds their match/gfd monstergirl waifu and lives happily ever after, but we live in the real world where gender dynamics are real (in multiple forms and subcultures:here) and you are likely to lose if you choose to ignore or defy it.

But here's the thing anon.
This is a porn thread.
On a porn board.
Stop bringing real life in to crush our fantasies you fucking cunt.
HERE ME?
STOP
REMINDING
US
OF
REAL
LIFE

GFD IS A FANTASY AND I LIKE MANY OTHERS HERE DON'T GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT WHAT ANY SELF LABELED """DOMMESSS""" HAVE TO SAY ABOUT SUBCHAD'S SUPERIOR PUSSYEATING SKILLS.

THIS IS A PORN THREAD ON /D/, FUCK OFF TO /soc/ OR /r9k/ IF YOU WANT TO TALK REAL LIFE SHIT.

I swear if I have to go one more fucking thread listening to you dopey cunts tell me how I don't deserve some useless 3dpd women I didn't want anyway I'm shitposting us to hell.
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>>6897299
>>these threads are just weak effeminate betas getting assblasted at chad
>weak effeminate betas

>>>/tradcon/
>>>/pol/
>>>/tumblr/
>>>/feminism/

Any of these are much better places for you to go and vent your hatred of 'creepy' non-chad men, roastie. I'm sure they'd all agree with your stance of hating guys because they're not acting like 'real subs/real men'.
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>>6897359
While there may be some roasties shitposting in here you cannot say that gfd is without its creepy fucking losers that just want a woman to lead their lazy life.

t. submissive slut
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>>6897372
>you cannot say that gfd is without its creepy fucking losers that just want a woman to lead their lazy life.
I can't, but this also JUST a porn thread so why the fuck should real life matter at fucking all here?
I'm here for porn.
You're here for porn.
We're certainly not here to be degraded* for ever daring to express our love of said porn just because we fit into the """creepy fucking loser""" category. If creepy losers is that much of a problem for you, please get off /d/ and off 4chan for your own good.

*(Unless you're into that of course, in a 'gentle' teasing way)
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>"""""""""""gentle""""""""""" femdom
>posts guys getting fucked in the ass and women stepping on them

You guys are fucking stupid.
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>>6897382
>implying it's not ravenous girls posting that
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>>6897382
>guys getting pegged can't be gentle and is only ever a hard, degrading domination thing
You're the stupid one here buddy. Pegging can totally be gentle. Are you saying that gays can never have gentle 'loving' sex either? It's almost literally the same thing.
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>>6897357
>But here's the thing anon.
>This is a porn thread.
>On a porn board.
>Stop bringing real life in to crush our fantasies you fucking cunt.
But people greentext real life stuff in here all the time, that's how this whole discussion started 200 posts ago. Not to mention there's a map in the OP to help anons find other compatible people to start REAL LIFE /gfdrr/ relationships with. Nobody brought real life into the thread, it was born like that.
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>>6897401
> gynocentrism
> western world
It's the exact contrary.
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>>6897395
News flash, 80% of the women born in history had kids and passed on their genes, while 80% of men died, unable to do the same.
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>>6897404
>It's the exact contrary.
Do you have facts to back this up, or do you think I'm just going to believe what you said because YOU said it.
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>>6897401
>If 9 men die, the group can have 10 children at a time to repopulate.
So what? They can't grow at that rate anyway. Otherwise they'd do that under normal conditions, in which case the sex ratio would be 1:10.
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>>6897406
I've seen that number quoted a lot
Source?
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>>6897407
1) In most western countries women didn't get a full emancipation and are still brought up with the duty of being submissive and obedient to men
2) In most western countries only a small part of the female population has important political/economical roles, except for some jobs
3) women's body is still exploited and used for commercial purposes
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>>6897416
I think perhaps you have misunderstood what gynocentrism is. Gynocentrism is the idea that humans, due to evolutionary pressures, developed a deep-seated need to provide for women, and to protect their safety and happiness above that of men. Women have inherent value because of the nature of our reproductive cycle. A man can do his biological duty by impregnating the woman, and then die. If a woman dies, she takes the child with her. Men are disposable, unless they can make themselves useful to us in some other manner, and even then they never take precedence over a woman. It's the reason when a disaster strikes, we list "50 dead, 20 women." It's the reason we print "1 in 4 homeless people are women" and then go on to talk about how bad the homeless women problem is. It's the reason 93% of workplace fatalities are men. We instinctively want to protect and comfort women because of our involved gynocentrism, and we don't give a shit about men except for how they can be useful to us.
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>>6897416
>But this is only the case in the WESTERN world
Wow I wonder what sort of free and empowered cultures in the world embrace women
Like polygamist middle east, gang rape India, and genital mutilation Africa just to begin with
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>>6897005
>calling for violence against people with different opinions
>defending tradcon values
Seems Spiderbutt has finally shown her true colors.
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>>6897381
Just use a mobile app, you can scan through the pics. You just want a hugbox.
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>>6897169
>You are obviously a feminist who wants to stifle all discussion of men's issues in this thread
Feminism. Is. About. Equality.
Somone. Who. Only. Cares. About. Women. Is. Not. A. Feminist.

God fucking god why am I falling for this bait
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>>6897540
>you can't pretend to be for equality while also believing that every man is part of an omniscient patriarchy
>hate men
Where did my post even allude to this?!
My shitty use of full stops can be criticised by all means, but you're missing a few screws there
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>>6897542
>supports, defends and identifies with a movement that hates 'the patriarchy' at it's core
>'the patriarchy' is a theoretical society ruled solely by men
>feminists hate men being in power
It was actually a fairy reasonable logical jump.
I'd thoroughly suggest in the future you don't label yourself a feminist if you don't want people to automatically apply every negative sterotype about them to you.
Unless you actually think women are being oppressed by the society that is literally made to protect and provide for them.
Then you should just neck yourself.

AND PLEASE POST PICTURES WHEN POSTING HOLY SHIT.
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>>6897551
All Muslims are literally taliban
All men are literally rapists
All Germans are literally nazis
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>>6897556
Most 'moderate' muslims support Shariah law.
"Men" is not a group with a singular ideology and purpose.
"Germans" are not a group with a singular ideology and purpose.

Feminism IS a group that follows many strict rules, with one core ideology and a common goal. Ignoring and allowing radicals to commit acts under your shared banner without harshly reprimanding them is the same as condoning those actions.
Unless you are actively and vocal opposed to anti-male ideas inside the feminist ideology, you condone man hating. It's really that simple.

If you let someone brutally stab someone to death infront of you and do nothing you are in part responsible for what happened.
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>>6897350
"aesthetic" isn't a synonym for "attractive". learn to speak english, you obnoxious kid
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>>6897568
Ignoring your little death metaphor
>Unless you are actively and vocal opposed to anti-male ideas inside the feminist ideology, you condone man hating. It's really that simple.
And you have actually gone and assumed that I don't.
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>>6897767
>"aesthetic" isn't a synonym for "attractive". learn to speak english, you obnoxious kid
He's pretty much right about feet though, that's why they show up in other fetishes like /gfd/ and /size/ even though they're technically a different thing.
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>>6896529
this pic is perfect, just saying
thank you for contributing
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>>6897228
That assumes subs leave at a greater rate/percentage than doms. It also assumes someone, anyone, is capable of loving you. Or even tolerating your presence.
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>>6897159
Bless whoever made this comic.
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>>6897411
It's just the 80-20 thing. 20 percent of population with 80 percent of the wealth, 80 percent of effects caused by 20 of the problems or whatever. Makes for good ass-pulling.
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>>6897411
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v486/n7404/full/nature11128.html?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20120628#f4

>Under the assumption of random mating, this would mean that on average two females reproduce for each reproducing male.

That's for prehistoric humans so the tendency is towards polygamy.
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/gfd/ shitposters don't deserve a /gfd/ relationship.

shitposting scares the cuties aways.
shitposting kills /gfd/ threads
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>>6897767
A E S T H I C
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>>6898089
That was some depressing news for 40% of the populations.

To cover at least one of the arguments in this thread. Yes, there are those who mooch off of their girlfriends. I've seen the reverse of this plenty of times enough to think it wouldn't be any different here, and still remains a small percentage. While people accuse GFD-boy's to this sort of behavior, it's common in mainstream culture as well. Just watch Maury, and you will probably see a guy who acts macho, but sees no problem in having no job while his wife supports them and has children. LET alone have the gall to cheat on her. Although many of these men fall for the "sexy decoy" simply because they have no reason not to. In Player culture, it is often seen as a true sign of dominance if he can openly humiliate his main girl this way and still get her to forgive him/ continue as before.

I would not put MOST of the GFD boy's expectations into the "parasite" category, but I can't exclude ALL of them either. Also, I expect a lot of these arguments are based on the expressed idealized expectations rather than the realistic expectations of the poster. Nevertheless, the constant arguing in that topic can still cause anxiety attacks in readers who already struggle for self support and finding self-worth. Doing this is not anyone's fault, but it should just be put out there. I don't want a "hugbox" on this thread, as shitting on each other is an intrinsic part of 4chan's culture, but I would like a little less leaning towards "definition" or "worth" arguments. This post will either be put down a fuckton or will be ignored, but it still had to be written.
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>>6898167
>I would not put MOST of the GFD boy's expectations into the "parasite" category, but I can't exclude ALL of them either.
Nobody suggested that all /gfd/ boys are perfect. Pretty sure many people who are being overtly abusive aren't even fun to be around, much less have a relationship with.

But is it really necessary to crap on those who have a househusband fantasy? It's never actually going to work out in real life. I have that fantasy but I never attempted to force it in my kink relationships, I work multiple jobs and haven't been without a full-time job since I left college ages ago.

But this is an /rr/ thread and the same fantasy among women in non-/rr/ relationships is immensely popular, even to the point of there being billions of stay-at-home female spouses in real life. Are all of them parasites? I'm sure a lot of posters here had stay-at-home mums. Should their mums be thought of as parasites? Why does this fantasy among guys cause such a strong reaction in this thread, which is literally about role-reversal fantasies.
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>>6898236
It's a point of contention between "You better put in the work and work out your fair share of the labour with your wife and not use it as a get out for ever having responsibility" and the faggots baiting the whole "SO YOU'RE SAYING I HAVE TO BE MASCULINE AND CHAD AND DO EVERYTHING THAT I DO ALREADY JUST FOR A HEADPAT, ARE YOU? ARE YOU?"
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>>6898236

Exactly. The Househusbando dream is legitimate, even when there are types who will masquerade as prospective houshusbands/wives that do nothing to contribute. There are boy-toy's and trophy wives as well, whose sole purpose in the relationship is to be socially and physically appealing to their Sugar and said Sugar's company. Is it emotionally fulfilling? It's likely on a case-by-case basis. Either way, the toy/trophy and the housework functions have an unexpected amount of work involved. It's still something that many aspire to or dream of, though.

In many cases of polygamy, the additional spouse is not much of an added help in themselves, but is a boost in status and a connection to another family's resources and protection. (But this is in more complex societies where luxury is possible. In other polygamous societies a second wife/husband is often chosen because of a need for more labor, or possibly as a means to deal with problems of property).
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>>6898284
>You better put in the work and work out your fair share of the labour with your wife
But every time someone is asked about what this fair share of work is, they throw a fit. Is it the same as the share of labour that housewives put in? Work around the house and with children but no job? Yes or no?

This is the problem with "your /rr/ relationship is whatever you want it to be and what you both decide it should be". This notion has become widespread in harsher femdom and has completely ruined that fetish. You have "dommes" who are your average sub woman who loves being degraded and called a bitchslut or whatever during sex, but maintain that they're dommes because their cuckold husband lets them be a bitchslut or whatever. The situation is so bad that many people consider black-dick-destroying-cuckold-wife-slut crap as "femdom".

There has to be some base line level of expected behaviour that makes a relationship /rr/. It is meaningless to call a traditional relationship /rr/ if it contains a few heapats and cutesy name-calling.

I don't want this fetish being ruined by feminists/traditionalists like they have already ruined harsh femdom.
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>>6898318
>They got frustrated because I asked how long a string is and kept asking and kept asking!
>Must be throwing a fit because muh gender politics and because they're killing the boundaries and I don't like that!

The lack of self-awareness is amazing.

>I don't want this fetish being ruined
This fetish started in r9k threads about tfw no fit gf. Go and gatekeep somewhere else you dipshit
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this is the face of Julian Lovebutton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjK8u1P5Dm8
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>>6898350
>because they're killing the boundaries
The boundaries are what distinguish it from non-/gfdrr/ stuff. It is absolutely important to have these boundaries. This is not like one of those tumblr things where you are a domme or sub just because you "identify" as one despite doing the opposite things.
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>>6898366
that nigga dead
is Frank what'shisname our Zyzz?
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>>6898369
It's not like there are any hard boundaries or even a real, particular definition of /gfd/ and /rr/.

Regardless of your only just arriving in these threads and missing the entire last 2-3 years of attempts to define everything, that has absolutely nothing to do question of an equitable share of labour between you and your partner.

E.g. muh traditionalists and feminists have nothing to do with taking up a part time job or doing something money-productive, if your partner doesn't make exactly enough to sustain both of you. Same goes for doing more than just cooking and cleaning.

If you have such an indomitable fear of being cucked or being forced to be some beta provider, I think that your relationship and your inability to hold your own dignity is a bigger problem than putting any money towards a joint income.
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>>6898370
he's not dead, he lied just so people would stop bothering him.
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Just put a marker on the map. Here's hoping someone near my area takes a liking on me.
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>>6897447
As a penis bearer, this made me suicidally depressed as a kid. I could feel it, the way they train boys not to feel for themselves. Raised with the exception to be sacrificial pawns in case something goes wrong.
Now I'm a tranny, no real regrets.
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>>6897447
>we don't give a shit about men except for how they can be useful to us.
You mean that on a subconscious level or are you implying that woman, in general, consciously don't give a fuck about man unless they are useful to them.
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>>6898456
>raised with the *expectation
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>>6898563
>>6898456
That doesn't really make you a tranny though.
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>>6898456
How does removing what little reproductive value you hold help at all? Egg > sperm > sterile.
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>>6898651
>egg=sperm>sterile
FTFY
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>>6898651
>the current year
>not being an anti-natalist
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>>6898652
They wouldn't send primarily men to war if their sperm was just as valuable as the female egg. You can recover from losing a shitload of capable men, not so much women.
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>>6898655
Men being the historically sole presence in infantry from medieval times onwards has nothing to do with presumed superior reproduction value women has, but from the assumption women aren't as capable of doing the same for lack of physical strength and psychological strength, both erroneous, btw.
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>>6898658
You're missing the point, which is that men are more expendable than women. The issue isn't combat, but rather who is allowed to die, and who we can afford to lose.
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>>6898655
They send men to war because
a: they're a lot better at fighting and
b: they're generally inclined to fight, which would become a problem if you lost a lot of women - they'd start fighting over the ones left.
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>>6898658
>Both erroneous
Muscle density, not being prone to injury and bone breaks and stamina say differently
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>>6898666
>I will skip your whole point and tote my headcannon
Shameful display, anon.
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>>6898667
>b: they're generally inclined to fight, which would become a problem if you lost a lot of women - they'd start fighting over the ones left.
So you agree that it's more ideal for men to die than women for a society? Do you want to keep arguing about how much we agree?
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>>6898672
I didn't mean the difference in physical capabilities was false, but that a gender had more combat prowess than the other. If you think women are any less capable than men at fighting, the YPJ for current, and the sniper squads and female fighters divisions from teh Red Army in WW2 would like to have a word with you.

>>6898676
Are you functionally illiterate? Or just that dumb?
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>>6898678
>Are you functionally illiterate? Or just that dumb?
No, I just don't overvalue the delivery methods for my point that women are more valuable than men, and that losing women is more damaging than losing men. Your only nitpick is the combat shit.
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>>6898667
>they're generally inclined to fight
I doubt that. Soldiers in WWII often refused to fire their weapons, simply because they didn't want to kill another human being. If men seem more inclined to violence, it's because society (and women who want to exploit them) push them to be that way.
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>>6898676
Nah breh. I'm saying the sperm vs egg thing isn't the deciding factor.
I wasn't the other guy though.
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>>6898678
>YPJ
You've missed the many tweets by IS militants documenting the death of female YPG fighters barely days or months after they were inducted, while specifically deliberately choosing militants who are miraculously bad at warfare and whom it is not possible to guage the efficaciousness of, as trials by the Israeli army and experiences in the US and UK armies can attest.
>Sniper squads
Long range, minimal strain. Which isn't indicative of the rest of warfare then or now.
>Female fighter divisions
Again, minimal strain, and not favourable when compared to the flight records of other men.

War is as exhausting, if not more, than it ever was. Be realistic.
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>>6898686
If society pushed people to violence why did they refuse to do violence?
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>>6898682
Ah. So you're autistic. Gotcha.
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>>6898678
smhtbhfam that's a far cry from
>infantry
>medieval times onwards
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>>6898688
>new recruits thrown against battle-hardened enemies die by the dozens
That's warfare 101, dude.

>Long range, minimal strain.
>what was the battle of Stalingrad, where they were the most used
Read a history book, senpai.

>Again, minimal strain, and not favourable when compared to the flight records of other men.
>don't know about the aces from the squads
Again, read a history book, senpai.

>>6898692
Sorry, I don't speak retarded. Mind translating?
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>>6898682
I wouldn't say valuable desu, but perhaps more convenient. But the scenario where men start fighting over women wouldn't even be an issue unless you lost a large chunk of women.
Note also that losing women and men in roughly equal amounts ALSO avoids the destabilization problem.
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>>6898686
>Soldiers in WWII often refused to fire their weapons
Thanks for reminding me to read On Killing, famtano.
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>>6898689
Maybe their natural aversion to murder trumped their social conditioning.
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>>6898695

>>6898658
>Men being the historically sole presence in infantry from medieval times onwards has nothing to do with presumed superior reproduction value women has, but from the assumption women aren't as capable of doing the same for lack of physical strength and psychological strength, both erroneous, btw.

The statement here is that the idea that women are inferior at warfare, including infantry positions in medieval times, is wrong. After which this post >>6898678 starts babbling about fighter divisions and Red Army snipers, both of which were relatively rare in medieval battles. The statement is then nonsense because it uses a narrow range of positions in modern warfare to justify the idea that women could have filled any role in combat in the last millennium.
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>>6898705
Niggah. Niggah. I'm all of the three of them. Here is a protip: I also don't think women are inferior to man in battle, okay? Me babbling about the the female fighters in the Red Army was my exemplification of it. We are on the same side, okay? So, stop being a retard.
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>>6898703
The point is that you can't chalk one instance up to social conditioning and another up to natural aversion, picking and choosing as you like.
Besides, the exact reason they're inclined to violence wouldn't really matter. The essential problem would still be there.
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>>6898708
Yes, I'm saying that you're wrong. There were no stuka bombers in the crusades. Men weren't sent to war because their lil tadpoles were worthless, they were sent because women couldn't get the job done.
DESU I wouldn't be surprised if the idea that men were expendable grew out of this practice rather than cause it.
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>>6898708
>I have grade school level reading comprehension
Thanks for letting us know
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>>6898700
>Soldiers in WWII often refused to fire their weapons
Ahah
ahhahahaha
hahahahhahahahahahha

>>6898695
>R-read a history book!
"I don't have to make a serious point, I'll just rebuff and ignore him!"
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>>6898715
>>Soldiers in WWII often refused to fire their weapons
You responded to the wrong person, dingus.
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>>6898460
I personally would say it's a largely cultural phenomenon. It does happen a bit on the individual level, especially with feminists who have based their worldview on "women = victims, men = vicimtizers" (this is honestly the majority of them); but on an individual level there are also mitigating factors like empathy and compassion, also when I say "useful" I do include immediate family and friends who people have sentimental reasons for caring for. I would never make a claim that individuals actively or subconsciously adhere to and accept gynocentrism, merely that it is a cultural trend born from evolutionary pressures that influence our society's behavior and some individual's viewpoints.
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>>6898710
What's this other instance you're talking about?
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>>6898712
Again, I don't see any point of disagreement between us.

>>6898715
>Never read a book in his life
>tells others they don't know what they are talking about
You're retarded.
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>>6898721
Evolutionary pressure this that is being systematically being reduced and toppled over, like most variants of "muh human nature" spooks.
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>>6898736
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying. Are you claiming that evolutionary pressures are becoming increasingly less of a factor in our continued advancement? If so, I agree, but that doesn't change the influence they've already had on our culture or our ingrained behaviors. This is still the mindset that most people operate under on a cultural level, and most people still have a deep, instinctual desire to protect women's safety and happiness over men. It's something we'll need to actively train ourselves out of over time if we're ever to actually get over it; and the first step to doing that is recognizing that it exists.
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>>6898737
Is that's exactly what I was saying.
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>>6898733
>I'll just insult him instead of backing up what I said with a source which forms a basis for my argument that women were significant in mainline combat
>And I'll do it by saying he's stupid!
It's like I'm back on /lit/ again, with faggots who don't understand where the burden of proof lies!
Go ahead, pick more niche examples and specific particulars that you can pick out BECAUSE they are so niche and out of the ordinary!

>>6898736
>Evolutionary pressures are being reduced and toppled over!
>Says man about social changes in 30-50 years against minimally tens of thousands, maximally millions, of years of time
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>>6898750
Have you considered the fact that there are literally dozens of books about the subject that proves you wrong in their entirety and you just have to reach out to them? It's not even about burden of proof at this point. You're so uninformed on the subject matter that any discussion with you is nigh impossible.
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>>6898733
>Again, I don't see any point of disagreement between us.
It just seemed like you were saying the idea that women sucked at combat was wrong based on those two posts is all.
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>>6898750
I like how you disregard the many, many different aspects of our psyche that evolution instilled in us but were already weeded out.
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>>6898754
My main point was that from around the middle ages on, the reason why women weren't part of the infantry was because of perceived inferiority in it, rather than breeding importance.
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>That feel when too tall and heavy to be princess carried
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>>6898762
>That feel when you're just small enough too, but have too much muscle to be light for it.
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>>6898712
>DESU
What did you say here? What's the world filter here?
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>>6898752
>many books
>yet I am somehow unable to quote or use or refer to a single one!
Never mind one that somehow indicates that women were involved in mainline infantry combat through out history at a 100% equitable performance to men until recently, and also finds a way to solve the issue where in reality, trials by SEE I LIKE HOW YOU IGNORED THIS, Israeli forces found women physically and psychologically incapable of serving to the same degree that men are able to.

Never mind the experiences by many in the militaries of today with women alongside men, which are as legitimate as an historian's evaluations.

>>6898755
ooh, I like the euphoria irradiating from this one, and the subtle implication that this was impossible to do until the [CURRENT ERA], as well as his lack of any particular point or concrete evidence backing him up.
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>>6898755
>I like how you disregard the many, many different aspects of our psyche that evolution instilled in us but were already weeded out.
Such as

>>6898764
HBT backwards.
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Honestly, I think /gfd/ threads need to die, or at the very least a break for a while.

It just devolves into the same type of shitposting every time.
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>>6898766
For one, our tribalistic instinct to reject and fear other groups of people, for the most part, has been subdued.Sure, there are still some societies that operate like this, namely the Islamic countries, but that tribalism fueled by religion, rather than ethnic reasons. Also, minor things like flying in planes. I know it must sound goofy, but if you stop to think about it, if someone tried to convince a medieval dude to fly in a 747, he would find all sorts of explanations why that's insanity, fueled by his instinctive fear.
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>>6898775
Meh. It's about to die, so, not that bad. During it's active lifespan, it's fairly good.
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>>6898778
>tribalistic instant to reject and fear
You're absolutely hilarious, mate
>Flying in planes
fear of flying.
Fear of flying
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>>6898779
>threads
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>>6898775
If you don't like it, just dump images and leave when the autistic afterparty begins.
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>>6898780
>Fear of flying
Yes. Your point?
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>>6898782
>meme arrows
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>>6898778
That's not exactly weeded out, especially not in any evolutionary sense. And having subdued some tendency is hardly the same as it not being the.
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>>6896306
That's about what I try to write. pastebin.com/u/dagdammit has efforts to date.

For those of you who enjoyed the runner fic last week: finished chapter 2 tonight and went right into chapter 3. will post tomorrow.

By the way, why does thread OP have my name in all caps?
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>>6895398
I know a few polyamorous women, and with a bunch of work it's turned out well for them. One is pretty relevant - she's married to a guy and has a girlfriend. The gay one is pretty far from the cuck "debate".
The third one I'm married to. I'm good friends with her boyfriend, she's good friends with mine. It all works out.
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Its hard for me to fall in love, let alone with someone who would be ok with that sort of thing. I think its fine as long as there is communication
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JESUS WHAT HAVE WE LEFT BEHIND

PLEASE STOP
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