Slavery Thread X: Deva Decimating, Devi Dominating, Decadent

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>>6454146
OC on Pastebin from the last eight threads (holy shit):
>The Preacher's New Wife: http://pastebin.com/KQFeWBP8

>Griz and Scarlet:
(>>6098130 >>6109060 >>6101896) http://litphoria.com/roleplay/2253/lost-in-the-mountains

>Enslaved Goddesses (Pharaza’s stuff) (from >>6128148):
A Day In The Life (rehosted) (>>6137320) http://pastebin.com/Zxq6jVch
The Perks of Property (>>6140479) http://pastebin.com/DYMfw3vq
Fertility: A Practical Study (>>6172113) http://pastebin.com/n9rXe76J
Arlen's Tale, Part One (>>6202158) http://pastebin.com/VTLuZrdH
Arlen's Tale, Part Two (>>6279381) http://pastebin.com/9j1gFms8
Victory Comes For The Bold: (>>6280244) http://pastebin.com/e5HtRyhU

>Kaylee's New Life (>>6218151) (pastebins from >>6233442)
1 - http://pastebin.com/GN2TyrqA
2 - http://pastebin.com/wB1bd5R0
3 - http://pastebin.com/AFx1AXha
4 - http://pastebin.com/1ZZD6q4j
5 - http://pastebin.com/x2Zrjmsi
6 - http://pastebin.com/Dij0dmPj
7 - http://pastebin.com/tGgPqCVz
8 - http://pastebin.com/bYEve6zA

>Unexpected Inheritance (>>6307412)
1: http://pastebin.com/LAtPyncM
2: http://pastebin.com/F6SnrH3d

>Cthulhu!!! (>>6264174)
1 - http://pastebin.com/WaPnYNjq
2 - http://pastebin.com/hYDztki4
3 - http://pastebin.com/pVPj7Epx

>Anne (>>6347712) http://pastebin.com/QsEyaTgT

>A1386G/Marie-verse:
>Main A1386G Series:
1: http://pastebin.com/Kmj7MVcW
2: http://pastebin.com/cjQXnstC
3: http://pastebin.com/YFdxsQCY
4: http://pastebin.com/EhxRfdWf
5: http://pastebin.com/bWHGCwPv
6: http://pastebin.com/mFRUaRwM
7: http://pastebin.com/6f4Qqh4u
>Side Materials and Flash Forwards for A1386G:
An encounter with A1386E: http://pastebin.com/mjRLDUcn
A1386G Side Story #1 Jimmy makes a Special Friend: http://pastebin.com/eA1iXSXp
A1386G Side Story #2 Katerina’s First Day: http://pastebin.com/uef0GjY1

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Sorry to ask again came in at the tail end of the last one. Anyone know some beginner bondage resources, a place to start, good items to buy?

Both myself and my partner are pretty petite if that helps as some things run large so extra adjustable is good.

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>>6454146
>If you were given to your ideal owner, what would you want them to do with you?
Honestly, this:
>>6406997
>>6406999
>>6407000

Let me expound upon that.

Those posts describe a relationship in which the slave is absolutely dependent upon her master. I would have to depend on my master for anything - food, sleep, comfort, socialization, etc. all would be provided by my master, and I wouldn't have the power to claim them myself.

In other words, my master would be as a god to me. I find that idea hot. I'd essentially be completely at his mercy.

If I'm not serving, my hands are bound behind me, because it's not appropriate for me to use them for my own use. My body is the property of my master, and if my arms are not being used in his service they need to be "put away" with the handcuffs. If I get horny I have to just bear it because I don't have the right to use my body just to pleasure myself.

I like the idea of having someone loving being a constant but also controlling presence in my life that I neither am able to nor desire to be free from. I wouldn't have the luxury of being lax, because my life wouldn't be my own to choose to be lax with. Each and every breath would be a privilege, not a right.

That said, actual life would be comfortable. I'd be given permission to visit fellow slave friends frequently. My master would be strict but not unkind.

>>6454171
Track down your local fetish community on Fetlife, and take some classes at a local sex shop?
Really, this is a question for like bdsmg.

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>>6453783
Honestly, I've been busy with work myself. Well, that and fervently editing what I did previously do as well.

Maybe I'll finish something this month, but my job kinda killed my ability to write.

>>6454171
Jump over to bdsm general and ask again, we love answering this stuff, and it really is a better place for it.

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>>6448746
>>6448753
>>6448759
As the writer of the Amazon setting, I'd like to mention a few things. I don't mind at all if people write fiction based off my settings, but I want to be sure there aren't any misunderstandings regarding those settings.

Captured men that are potential breeding stock are not killed if it can be helped. While the Amazons will kill without regrets, they will always try to capture high-quality material if at all possible. If they can capture a good breeder, he will not be asked to cum before being killed - rather, he would be conveyed back to a breeding house and restrained thoroughly (and permanently - all the Amazons need now is his semen).

In fact, male masturbation is something despised by the Amazons, as it is a male use of the organ that should rightfully belong to women. "Milking" is done with a prostate tool, without any penis stimulation.

Don't forget, everyone in the society, including the females, wears a chastity belt that they can't remove on their own at all times. There are plenty of brothels where a low-class true Amazon can go to fuck a Boy or Girl with her strap-on, but I don't see how Merideth could have gotten her belt off for the finale you wrote.

These devices are a key part of the society, as they are what allow women claim their rightful place in sexuality.

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>>6454776
Okay sorry. Didn't see one at the time, maybe I missed it.

>>6453783

I'm a writer for some of the stories featured in op and I just haven't had inspiration to write.Feels like dealing with depression, to be honest.

>>6456220
Given how bad you are at writing, I'd say you have every reason to feel depressed.

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God it's quiet. Is everyone too tied up to talk?

>>6456696
That's not a very nice thing to say, Anon. I bet his writing is just fine.

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I have posted some scenarios before (like the Goddess one that Pharaza has developed so nicely) but actually writing a story has never been my strong point.

I have had a few other ideas lately but I know that tends to be not as interesting to people than stories.

>>6461127
>God it's quiet. Is everyone too tied up to talk?
I wouldn't be surprised if some people actually have less time now that summer break is over.

I think such downtimes in threads might be good for people to post doujin/manga reccommendations.

There are a few classics nowadays like Hiroe Rei's stuff (pic related, Rider-san to Asobou/Let's Play with Rider), any of Kaimeiji Yuu's stories (focus tends to be on "human pets" but really any of his stories is great), the 151 tentacle series, etc.

>>6461980

I love Kaimeji Yuu's doujins but I've never found them in English so I kind of had to imagine the story. My favorite was one where (seemingly) a student blackmails her teacher into become a pet.

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>>6461999
>I love Kaimeji Yuu's doujins but I've never found them in English so I kind of had to imagine the story.
There are a few translated now, at least on sadpanda and hitomi.

Admittedly, I always knew the jist of them because I know enough moon to fly over the text while understanding enough to know what was going on (I even managed to visit the author's site and check out his FAQ regarding some/most of the settings).
Dorei Rikkoku is probably the one where he goes into the most detail when it comes to world-building.

>>6461999
>My favorite was one where (seemingly) a student blackmails her teacher into become a pet.
Which one? eXpose? Yeah, he decides to find a way to blackmail her after he gets fed up about her smugness in class and being humilliated by her in front of everyone.

It's not exactly his most creative story, it's just classic blackmail that goes out of control for the teacher because by the time she decides to try and report it to the authorities one of the women working at the policestation (while dressed in civilian clothing) had seen her "dressed as a whore" at which point she gets ignored because it's Japan and the police there (unless this has changed since the late 90s where this was written) don't go near that kind of cases because it usually ends up with the blackmailers being from the Yakuza not an average teenager who got lucky her teacher who didn't report it before it got out of her hands.

I could give a summary of each chapter if you wish.

I could probably even translate it if I had some time but by god I have no idea how to edit the scripts into the pictures and as you might guess the idea of translating 150+ sites worth of dialog is not exactly something I'd look forward to in my spare time (let alone hijacking the thread)


With all that said I am almost tempted because of how much I love that artist's work.

>>6462031

Did a quick search and the one I mean is called K9. Not sure if I can link it: http://g.e-hentai.org/g/85507/8fecc9010b/

Also I just noticed there are translated versions of some of them. time for a fap I guess.

>>6462050
>Did a quick search and the one I mean is called K9
Yeah, that was my other guess.

That one has a pretty interesting story given the time it was written at we just barely started to have internet speeds reasonable enough to actually transfer pictures.

Also, one of the more complicated to translate due to the instant messaging and the teacher being forced to write "like a little girl" (she is not allowed to use kanji and be polite to her master/mistress as if that person were a teacher scolding/educating her).

The "self-introduction" on page 11 really sets the tone of the story (someone wrote that and put it online/mailed it to her):
>+++ Searching for a master/mistress +++
>Hello there. I am a 28 year old female teacher currently teaching maths at a Middle High School
>I am still a virgin but even so I spend each day at school at school thinking about lewd things. My pussy is drenched wet even while I'm inside the classroom. I am a dispicable perverted woman
>This is myself with my collar, naked in the classroom begging for a master to take me. I'll follow any order no matter how shameful it is, no matter what you ask of me, I am eagerly awiating for you to contact me via electronic mail so I can greet you.
>Kanagawa Prefecture - M. K.
>P.S.: Please call me "Pochi" ^_^ (stereotypical dog name, like "Pooch", but female)
Her
>No- No way!!
>Ho- How did they...
>And this picture; Photoshopped?

You can pretty much what happens after that.

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>>6461980
>I think such downtimes in threads might be good for people to post doujin/manga reccommendations.
Yeah. I can agree with this.

Iroitenya does some pretty awesome stuff on occasion.
Like "Mori de Deatta Touzoku ni Tsukamatte Shimatta Watashi wa..." | "I Ran into Bandits in the Forest and Was Captured..."
http://exhentai.org/g/795190/fcf45925a7/

>>6463069
After reading that hentai, it should be renamed to "How I met your Father".

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>>6463650
I laughed, but that's still pretty terrible.

Has FreeCities anon said anything lately?

>>6464056
>Has FreeCities anon said anything lately?
He updates daily on the game thread but it seems that thread was killed by the mods (someone started posting CYOA stuff)

>>6463650
Dem rapy feels.

>>6464056
You should just keep an eye on the dev blog, since he updates it frequently.

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>>6454196
this really well describes my ideal fetish/relationship. virtually identical to that...

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>>6464526
Oh god, the manga that's from (Ningyou Jinsei) is ridiculously adorable and perverse.
http://exhentai.org/g/692095/2c506bbe03/

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This is one of my favorite images that's applicable to the thread.

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>>6465309
i love it to death.

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Guess you've got to recoup that investment somehow...

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"Oh don't worry, you'll learn to like it soon enough."

>>6454146

Okay, so I never had this idea of a world, but I did have this idea of a smaller self contained story.

The idea is that a bunch of 3-4 nerdy bullied kids find this book on magic, and play around with it cause why not. They find a spell on Enslaving people, and put the names of their 3-4(Equal numbers is key) bullies in the book.

Its real, and they are all shocked and somewhat entertained until the demon looks around and goes; "You didn't give me a sacrifice. This spell is going to backfire and I guess I have to tell the recipients of the spell."

They all get sent to a magical succubus dungeon and the bullies now have the ability to enter or leave as they please.

The story is more about four jerkish people realizing they have absolute control with no consequence over people they treated like dirt, and the growing changes in their mindset as they cautiously explore their new situation.

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Does anyone have any recommendations for good slave themed H-manga?

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>>6472517
Anyone?

>>6472141
I'm kinda iffy on the premise (like who doesn't keep a sacrifice on hand for when they're playing around with the dark arts?) but it seems like it could be cool in the right hands.

>>6472517

Anything by Hakaba.

>>6472517
Well, check the ones already mentioned so far.

Aside from those, consider stories by Momoyama Jirou and "Mayonnaise"

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There's also Awatake, if I'm spelling that right.

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>>6475444
Also, check my trips.

Does anyone know of a shitty "western" comic where there was this huge muscular guy, lived with his mom - one of the first two pages is these blonde bimbos waking up to breakfast, and the mom serves them breakfast - the rest of the comic devolves into a fuckfest. These practically identical blonde bimbos flock to this huge muscular guy with a freakishly huge cock and they can't get enough of him.

Looking all over for it, wondering if anyone can help.

>>6477740
Try /aco/

>>6477740

Sounds like Confiscated Twins?

>>6454196
>I'd essentially be completely at his mercy.
This is the best part of BDSM for me - It's basically a trust fetish. You let someone tie you up and you just trust them not to hurt you (too much). It's kinda heartwarming.

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Let's talk about fantasy world a little bit.

>>What is the world like?
Some time in the future. 20XX, so to speak. Slavery is instituted as a penalty system by the government for crime, bankruptcy, and so forth in an attempt to deter these things.

>>Who are the slaves?
Theoretically speaking, anybody can be enslaved if they run afoul of the law or their debtors. Practically, the government and law enforcement is corrupt enough from top to bottom that the wealthy can have whomever they desire enslaved with a word and a bribe.

The slaves themselves are all converted into hermaphrodites with exaggerated proportions through surgery, nanomachines, and permanent full-rubber encasement. By design, they all look exactly the same and are indistinguishable unless the owner provides some form of marking. It doesn't matter what you were before, if you get enslaved you will end up with an F-cup chest, an surrealistically narrow waist, child-bearing hips and a below-average cock with all of your features hidden under a permanent latex suit.

Furthermore, through the nanomachines, slave owners can enforce whatever arbitrary rules and restrictions on their slaves that they wish. Think Eudaemon, but privatized. And even more homogenized.

>>Who are the masters/mistresses?
Any free person can own a slave. The cost of owning one is closer to a high-end TV or new computer than a car, so not cheap but also not out of reach for most. Having a harem is a status symbol, but if you go into debt to acquire that harem you risk being enslaved yourself.

>>What role do you like to imagine yourself in?
Slave, preferably part of some rich bastard's harem. I'd be treated unfairly and punished for entirely arbitrary reasons. Forced to do whatever degrading, and dehumanizing things amuses him until my sense of self and free will are totally eroded.

Alternatively, I'd want to be the slave girl in >>6465309 because that manga's both super cute and super hot.

>>6476120
"It can't be helped."

>>6481644
Eudaemon is pretty much nightmare fuel to me (and I couldn't take the AI gaining sentience/emotions seriously, that killed my nightmare boner)

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>>6486009
I can definitely understand that. It's just that both the full blown depersonalization and the level of control that kind of thing can be used for are both huge turn-ons for me.

And from on and off lurking this thread series I feel like the depersonalization/forced sameness aspect is something that isn't explored nearly enough. It's a pretty perfect concept for slavery.

>>6464268
Oh shit, I'm sorry. I forgot that CYOA images are banned. Was just trying to post relevant pics while discussing FC... My bad I guess.

>>6464056
here
>>6488252

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>>6488975

>>6488130
What a sinister picture.

>>6488130
I know what you mean and really, I liked those aspects of Eudaemon but the AI aspect was a dealbreaker.

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Anyone knows some good femdom or where a girl has another girl as slave stories, doujins,manga?

>>6491205

There is a story from bdsmlibrary.com/stories/ which I love, called "My very own". The author has a blog where he posted more entries but ultimately stopped updating it. I recommend it a lot.

>>6491341

Figured I might as well give some other recommendations. From the same site:

Kelly's Birthday surpise (it's listed as "kelly\'s ...")
Anne and Alicia
Allie and Nicole

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>>6491341
>>6491351
Thanks, I will read them!, I like stories that aren't the typical male master female slave.

>>6491519

Let me know if you like them. I've read many stories on that site and those are the ones I like the most. It's a coincidence that they're all F/f, though.

>>6491939
I have been reading My Very Own and loved it, really liked the writing and characters.
Didn't read the other two, but when I finished this one I will, thanks again for the recs.

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>>6491351
I could never really get into Kelly's Birthday surprise. It's just too sadistic for my taste.

The others are pretty solid though.

>>6491341
>"My very own"
I think this one is awful, but thats because I find the idea of any master who is more a danger for the slave to be brutally terrible. the things she does to kitty shows a complete lack of any concern for what happens to her, including putting her in compromising positions that could get her charged with being a sex offender and public indecency.

its a fantasy but that still rubs me the wrong way, which is often why i am unable to deal with most submissive stories as this kind of thing is very popular.

>>6493106

> women
> ever getting in trouble for sexual behaviour

If anything she'd get a slap on the wrist.

But yeah I get what you're saying. It's not for everyone, for sure. But you need to understand there is a difference between fantasy and reality, this is why people seek out these stories. I personally wouldn't mind if the owner was less severe, though.

>What is the world like?
Very modern, with human ownership being an institutional staple since shortly after the industrial revolution. Slave trade is highly regulated, and restricted to private owners (no slave labor for corporate). Men have a registered "mate" with whom their activities are unrestricted. In addition to this, if they wish to breed a female slave, they must apply for a permit to classify the slave as such, and after that he can produce as many as he likes with her (and of course, can pair it with any male slave for the purpose of breeding.)

>Who are the slaves?
Children are born into their father's ownership. Girls in all but the highest families are typically sold off, but it's fairly common for men of all ranks to hold on to them as well. Male children are rarely sold off until there is an abundance in the family.

>Who are the masters/mistresses?
There is a wide variety of both male and female owners, though typically adult freewomen remain on familial estates and any "holdings" are in a patriarch's name.

>What role do you like to imagine yourself in?
I'm a slaver, one who collects women of varying ethnicity in an attempt to market exotic cross breeds.

>If you got the slave of your dreams today what would you do with them?
My licensed mate would be something of a princess, pale, and thin, and tatted, and well dressed with a sense of style I assign her. I would also assign her a personality that you wouldn't expect of a slave, though she is 100% aware that she is my slave and never contradicts that with her behavior. This includes a disdain bordering on sadism for my other slaves. Regardless of this I breed her and the other slaves regularly.

>>6493168
sauce?

Anybody got any slaveboys?

Barely ever see any of them in thee threads.

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>What is the world like?
Much like the world of today as it's set only a few decades into the future. Big investments into hormone therapy research was made as society changed to grow more accepting of transsexuals. At the same time crime soared as the urbanization of the world rapidly increased. The feminine solution was a natural way to handle the problem.

>Who are the slaves?
Any and all men and women who are convicted of a crime that previous would warrant more than a year in prison. These people are categorized as a menace to society and put on a strict regiment of hormones to feminize them. The majority of prisons that before had been male dominated, hyper masculine and violent are now relatively calm facilities.

Not only are the previously male inmates indistinguishable from other women, they're put under a harsh regime of discipline and self improvement. Pottery, gardening and fashion has replaced shanking, weight lifting and gang-life.

>Who are the masters/mistresses?
While in prison the inmates are at the guards full disposal. After they've served their sentence they're auctioned off to pay for the cost of their treatment. Free men and women alike are able to own slaves, buying them either from the auction or booking them while they're still in treatment.

>What role do you like to imagine yourself in?
I imagine myself either as the head of a prison, getting to dictate the prisoners lives and treatment.

>>6493387
pretty sure thats standalone.

>>6495976
Sounds like a fun game.

What game is this and where do I get it?

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Well, I guess you can call it room service if you squint hard enough.

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>>6493586
Your setting doesn't deserve to be ignored as it has been. A few questions.

For those prisoners who seem desperate to continue their old ways, what punishments/incentives are used?

How are the subjects' sexualities affected? Do they remain attracted to other women (which I'm sure would lead to plenty of lesbian action) or do they retain their orientation (meaning that except for the ones who were previously gay, the women are now attracted to men)? Or do they all just become bi and have a more fluid sexuality as a result of the transition?

Personally I like the setting concept in which prisons involve feminization, because it has a nice little sexist undertone to it (in the sense that women are less capable of committing crimes). Personally I like slavery settings better when there's some actual discrimination going on. It also is fairly plausible, in that stripping away someone's identity is a good way to recondition them - if not necessarily realistic ("realistic" and "plausible" are not the same thing).

Also, I like the idea that these people who've probably approached relations with the opposite sex in a certain manner are now on the receiving end of this treatment. They go from bending girls over and fucking them to being the recipients of that treatment.

>>6498890
Not who you're replying to, but I like the setting too, so I'll answer with my ideas.

>For those prisoners who seem desperate to continue their old ways, what punishments/incentives are used?
Physical discipline such as spanking and increased feminization. At first this would be just more feminine clothing and permitted activities, but persistent prisoners would receive permanent physical adjustments, such as makeup coloration being tattooed onto them or being given hormones to further increase their breast size.

The lesson is that acting as feminine as you're instructed keeps you as masculine as you're allowed to be. Permanent changes are especially frightening as they will affect your life after prison, including who buys you as a slave. When auctions/bookings happen before release, then a punishment like that lets your future owner choose changes.

Prisoners are also kept in line with collective punishments. If one girl in a dorm acts up, the whole dorm is spanked or has to wear thongs for a week.

>How are the subjects' sexualities affected?
Prisoners are instructed to become attracted to men and punished for expressing attraction to women. Lesbian activities still happen, but they usually reduce over the course of a sentence, thanks to punishment. Nevertheless, lots of prisoners are lesbian or especially bi upon release, to the benefit of free women. Even mostly straight ones are rarely as heterosexual as they were as men.

>Personally I like the setting concept in which prisons involve feminization, because it has a nice little sexist undertone to it
I don't normally like prison themes, but I like feminization as a form of punishment and degradation.

>(in the sense that women are less capable of committing crimes)
Women are weaker too, and turning them into women gives them a role to play in society without turning to crime, and an owner/man to keep them in line.

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>>6498941
I'm not sure I agree with the idea of the feminization being a punishment. Making femininity inherently negative would encourage resistance to feminization, essentially setting back the process.

Remember, the feminization of the inmates is already a big deal. They go from laughing at how "bitches and hos" enjoy being held down and fucked and degraded, only to undergo that degradation themselves. Worse, they find themselves enjoying it. After a lifetime of finding amusement at the way women approach sexuality, they find themselves in the place of those women.

The right course of action would be to teach the inmates that female sexuality isn't inherently degrading, but rather that they should enjoy their femininity. They're women, and they're here to become ladies.

>>6499187
It's a punishment for a criminal. It's not negative for a woman. Once they accept that their place is as a woman and not a criminal, it stops being negative.

>>6499696
Yeah. Thing is that's still making femininity negative.

I mean no matter what, you're still using it as a punishment.
They're going to push back a lot.

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>>6498890
I imagine that the whole program was started illegally. That it was a private prison who sought alternative means to control the rowdy prison population. What began as one sexist businessman's illegal experimentation on his own prisoners was successful that it grew to a nation wide program of forced reconditioning. Naturally peoples sexuality doesn't change, but what the prisoners like or dislike is held in little regard by officials. You're expected to be bisexual, and you're expected to obey. If you refuse for example to act civil, take part in mandatory training or simply don't act like a lady there's a range of punishments available. For example I imagine that there are extremely potent aphrodisiacs developed, and a disobedient prisoner could simply be pumped full of such drugs and put into the staff-room glory holes.

Furthermore, to break their will and remold their identities prisoners are given new names when admitted and every record of their previous self is eradicated. You're given a new name, a new place and a bucket full of drugs to help you believe it. Each morning starts with the prisoner's prayer, and each night ends with saying thanks for your new and true self. After a while, you forget who you were. Plus, as a further incentive to be good prisoners are given points. These points can be used to purchase goods and services within the prison. The more obedient you are, the better life you'll have.

Every effort is made to glorify stereotypical feminine behavior, interests and ways of interaction. To cling to your masculine identity within the prison is next to impossible. I agree that my setting is not realistic, but the loss of power on the part of the prisoners I find exhilarating.

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>>6498941
The idea that feminization is a punishment isn't something I'd include. The basis of the idea I had was that you're "reprogramming" people by promoting stereotypical feminine behavior and values. it is a punishment, and it is degrading but it's presented to the prisoners as such!

>>6499187
This is what really, really gets me going. The role-reversal and the shame they feel when they like it.

>The right course of action would be to teach the inmates that female sexuality isn't inherently degrading, but rather that they should enjoy their femininity. They're women, and they're here to become ladies.

So much this. It's just the way I imagined it.

>>6498890
>>6499187
>>6501146
>>6501150
I like your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

>>6501150
What's the difference between feminizing as punishment and feminizing for correctional purposes?

>>6501789
the difference between I guess giving some one vegetables because they hate vegetables and giving them vegetables because they need them for their health.

>>6501789
Pretty substantial, actually. They're not even close to the same thing.

Feminizing for punishment is a type of negative conditioning/justice. The idea behind it is that the subject is being punished to repay the debt of a crime. Alternatively, it can be seen as a way to provide a negative stimulus in order to serve as conditioning or as a deterrent.

Feminizing for correctional purposes has nothing to do with justice or conditioning. When you feminize for correction, you are not using the gender change as a negative stimulus, but rather as a positive one.

Essentially, the subjects are being feminized to make them better people. They're being rehabilitated through feminization. Justice is not a goal of this sort of treatment.

Basically, compare American prisons to Swedish ones and you have your answer.

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>>6501150
Think about the way society generally conceptualizes the roles of men and women in sex. Men are expected to play a certain role, and women are expected to play a certain role, and in general the male role is dominant while the female is submissive to that male.

Think about the concept of "being fucked over", for a second. What does that actually imply? It means that for a male, "getting fucked" i.e. being penetrated is not appropriate for that role. If someone takes advantage of you, you're "getting fucked in the ass". Or "this sucks dick" - an expression that suggests that it's undesirable, even humiliating to give fellatio.

This is how criminals understand sexuality. Men are supposed to fuck, not be fucked. They must play the male role in sex and be the penetrators. Female sexuality is, to those who think this way, inherently one of humiliation and self-degradation. There are REAL PEOPLE in our world who think this way.

Imagine how such a person would feel if they were suddenly gender-swapped. All of a sudden, they'd be thrust into the role of female sexuality. To be penetrated is to be degraded, and these people are now left with only the female role in sex to play. Suddenly, they are the women who they've seen degrading themselves all their lives.

Feminization in this sense is not punishment, but it would be incredibly humiliating for those whose self-worth is tied to their sexual role.

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>>6501580
That's mighty kind of you, but I'm not sure if you were aware that the first two posts you linked belong to another person than the second two? If you'r not careful your inbox will be flooded with lewd slavery.

>>6501789
In my opinion it's the approach of the correctional staff makes all the difference in the world. The prison and the administrators really do believe in this, and make every effort to make you believe it as well. Basically the approach could be described as "you couldn't handle being a man, so we're going to help you improve."

>>6501840
>>6502030
You described it very well. Feminization is not punishment, it's rehabilitation.

>>6502164
I think you've looked at the situation with as much clarity as anyone could. The intrinsic value these brutes have applied to their gender and sexuality is taken away from them. I think that the inner turmoil resulting from the gender swap is the perfect breeding grounds to produce a new self. Or at least a modified version of that self. At first I imagine these men would lash out, violently opposing their transformation or if that's not possible they'd try and put themselves up as the top girl. The girl who can use the other ones, and thus still clinging on to some sense of their own masculinity. This is one of the many challenges you'd have when designing a prison like the one I had in mind, and i can't help but to find the pondering of a solution so much fun!

We'd have to make sure that there was no areas left where they could express their masculinity, because when the only thing that's left is constant humiliation they'll soon enough come to terms with it. Hell, I almost start believing in this myself.

>>6502030
>>6502338
How would you even present feminization as a form of rehabilitation to people who would reject it so strongly?

>>6502164
If there is total humiliation and degradation, how could it be treated as anything but a punishment by anyone?

>>6499696

Mate, I'll never criticize anyone for their fetishes. Particularly not here of all places. But I do hope you can see the hypocrisy in saying "It's not a punishment if they like it by the end".

Turn em into women if it gets you off, but just realize that it's no different from sending lesbians to "reeducation" camps to be raped straight.

>>6503121
>sending lesbians to "reeducation" camps to be raped straight
tbh that's a good fit in this scenario for feminized guys who still like women.

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>>6503099
The reason why it's not a punishment is because the inmates are being neither humiliated nor degraded. However, due to their previously standing biases, they feel humiliation and degradation because previously they have throught of those two things as being innate to how female sexuality is experienced.

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Why yes, this is a picture for ants.

Because back in the old days people were smaller and enjoyed a good snuggle with their nice, warm CRTs.

>>6503371

>the inmates are being neither humiliated nor degraded. However, due to their previously standing biases, they feel humiliation and degradation

Okay.

>>6504248
Honestly what's wrong with just feminizing prisoners as punishment?

>>6503371
That's not how punishment works. Punishment is defined by the victim; if the action reduces a behavior, then it is punishment.

>>6504386
cus then sexism blows up in the society outside of prison and i mean come on

>>6504370
I get that you're trying to be sarcastic, but there wasn't a contradiction there. The humiliation is all within the prisoners' heads. The treatment is not designed to humiliate the prisoners; the humiliation is not "being inflicted" upon them but rather "experienced" by the inmates.

It's a distinction that I'd hoped the reader would be intelligent enough to pick up on.

>>6504402
Except that's wrong. "Punishment" is defined by the intention. It has nothing to do with the way the subject feels.

>>6504543
>"Punishment" is defined by the intention. It has nothing to do with the way the subject feels.
When has that EVER been the case?

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>>6505234
Do you know what a penalty is?

>>6504543

This is just wrong mate. Definitions aside, the intentions of the jailer don't factor in at all as to whether something is a punishment. If you beat a child so the devil doesn't take root in him, it's the same as if you beat a child to correct negative behavior. What exactly is the difference to the kid? You can argue it makes a difference to your perception of the one inflicting the punishment, but even then, I don't think it changes much.

I picked up fine on your attempt to make that distinction, but I was hoping it was just fetish flavor.

>>6505292
Yes.

Again, read the definition. The key part here is "the infliction or imposition". Those words make it clear that what makes something a punishment is the punisher, not the punishee.

Punishment is defined by intent. It's not defined by the subject's perception.

>>6505365
>Definitions aside
So basically aside from the thing we were talking about in the first place?

>What exactly is the difference to the kid
It doesn't matter, because the child's perception is irrelevant to whether something is punishment or not.

If you can't understand that then you're an imbecile.

>>6505409

>It doesn't matter, because the child's perception is irrelevant to whether something is punishment or not.

>If you can't understand that then you're an imbecile.

You can't be serious. You're arguing the academic definition, which is irrelevant at best and a tautological argument at worst. The real world doesn't work like that. Torture is torture, and the concept of punishment isn't as simple as "I don't think this is a punishment, therefore it isn't".

>>6505409
Are you retarded? The imposition of a PENALTY.

Your own definition refutes your idiocy.

>>6477740
>>6479237
Confiscated Twins by Fernando, it's one of the better Fansadox series

>>6505533
Are you a retard? THE IMPOSITION.

This is basic grammar. The subject of the sentence that forms the definition is "the imposition". "Penalty" is being used as an adjective.

>>6505452
The only thing that's being argued over is the definition of "punishment". I don't even understand why you're posting if all you're going to do is say stuff that's completely irrelevant.

>>6505873

>I don't even understand why you're posting if all you're going to do is say stuff that's completely irrelevant.

Likewise. You don't seem to grasp that the academic, textbook definition is useless in this scenario. In this scenario, the prisoners are being forcibly rehabilitated, which (by-the-way) fits the textbook definition of a punishment. But it also meets the eye test because they are having a humiliating (to them) procedure performed involuntarily as a response to a crime. They're being chemically castrated, which the ACLU considers "cruel and unusual punishment" even in a rehabilitation context (like when applied to serial child rapists) and which Amnesty International considers torture.

>>6505966

I mean, I don't have a problem with fapping to concentration camp porn, but if you go online afterwards and post HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG to try and justify it, that just bothers me. There is a major disconnect there.

I dunno. I'm going to go type something up to get this shit back on track.

>>6505967

Hitler did nothing wrong, though.

Except maybe invading the Soviet Union.

>>6505969

He fucked up in Africa, aborted Operation Sealion too quickly and didn't give proper resources/attention to the atomic bomb program. Man did everything wrong.

Friends don't let Fuhrers do Crystal Meth.

>>6505409
>>6505234
you are wrong, the definition says penalty, the penalty is inflicted on the persons in exchange instead of a monetary value. thats what a penalty in law is. in lue of paying their way or because they cant the state turns the perps into women. that is a "punishment" in the eyes of the law. which is what is being discussed.

>>6505869
no it isn't you idiot. penalty is the object. not an advjective.

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I'd implore you my friends to stop haggling over Hitler and what a punishment is, and critique my story instead. In order to explore the setting I came up with I'm going to write a few short stories chronicling two young delinquents journey throughout the new and experimental prison system. This will be the first part of a few.

The Heist
http://pastebin.com/vXyqp2tc

In order to make the characters respond better to their new life I've made one homosexual, and the other one bisexual with a strong preference for women. The bisexual male's foremost interest is power, not gender.So fair warning, the first part contains a homosexual encounter together with the story of how they're convicted. No transformation yet, that'll be the focus on the next part. I hope you'll enjoy it.

>>6505869
If all impositions of penalties are punishments, are all impositions punishments?

According to /d/: Yes.

>>6505966
>which the ACLU considers
Since when has the ACLU's opinion been worth shit?

>>6506703
Exactly. Apparently people here lack basic reading comprehension.

A punishment is an imposition made by the punishing party. Without intent there is no punishment.

>>6506190
Please learn to type before trying to participate. I can barely make sense of your post.

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>>6506782
you are the one who can't read, And my post is perfectly clear, imposition says nothing of intent, only of scope

To establish or apply as compulsory; levy: impose a tax.

in other words, it's a term for establishing something as mandatory.

Punishment is written in this way.

The imposition of a penalty or deprivation for wrongdoing

Deprivation is being deprived of their original gender and sex.

penalty is as follows.

1. A punishment imposed for a violation of law.
2. A sum established by a contract to be forfeited in lieu of actual damages in the event of a breach of the contract.

The first refers back to deprivation in the original description of punishment, it also defines a penalty as something the law imposes as a forfeit in lue of actual damages. Many law penalties are the same, as they impose a penalty for the person (to become female) in lue of other kinds of reperations, whether they are available in tandom or are not.

You see this in many ways; Death penalty. a penalty where the convict is killed in order to pay off what is considered some sort of debt owed that is imposed in the place of more common monetary sentencing for lighter crimes.

nothing about my post is confusing to anyone who doesn't already understand what these words actually mean.

why do you insist on bitching over the definition of a word? it's not going to change just because its your fetish, and no one would care if you weren't trying to violate it in a real social level instead of it just being a quirk of the scenario.

>>6507177
Please stop shitposting. I'm done repeating myself.

Besides semantics, what are you two even arguing over?

>>6507593
Seriously. It's not as if they'd be people, they're objects to be owned. Who cares about impositions, punishments, or anything like that? Those words only have meaning in the context of people.

>>6507601
You're saying there is an actual difference in meaning being debated? I thought it was just connotation.

tbh it's hotter if it is punishment.

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Hey guys, can we go back to posting lewd pics?

>>6507786
I just want someone to write hot stories about buys being turned into girls in prison.

>>6463069
That link is broken now, do you have it anywhere else?

>>6507603
>>6507593
nothing. the other person is ass hurt that by definition, what is happening to the convicts is a punishment, because they want to believe that its not a punishment. instead of just making an exception for this world, they started argueing that punishment has something to do with what the person intended.

>>6508109
It's cute that you think that, but no. The only reason this argument started was over semantics. Specifically, I wanted to make the point that the intent behind what was being done to the prisoners was rehabilitation, not punishment.

"Punishment" implies something different than what I was talking about. The only problem here is that you are illiterate and obstinate about it, too.

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>>6507593
>>6507601
It matters because "punishment" implies something completely different from what I was originally talking about.

Read what I described here:
>>6498890
>>6499187
>>6502030
>>6502164
If you use the word "punishment" then you are implying something different from what I was intending. For something to be a "punishment" intent is required. Punishment is an ~infliction~ of a penalty.

I wanted to make it clear that the prison as I imagined it was designed around rehabilitation. The goal of the gender change was to help the inmates and ultimately to make them feel better about themselves while making them better people. Initially, they'd feel the degradation and humiliation that I described, but those are are just side effects, not the goal of the treatment.

Because the intent isn't there, it isn't punishment. I'm a very literal person, and I choose my words carefully and value the correct usage of words very highly. By definition, what I am describing isn't punishment. You can say it's "cruel" or you can even say it's "punishing", but strictly speaking, to use the word "punishment" is incorrect.

Unfortunately, a person who doesn't value the accurate usage of words decided to start misusing words. I do not appreciate when my message is being muddled, so I have to defend my terminology. I am very invested in the words I write. Words are the most powerful tool a man can have at his disposal, and I will not have mine scrambled by an ignoramus.

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>>6506196
The Academy Part Two - The Transformation
http://pastebin.com/UVkbCp7i

I've decided to give my story the name "The Academy" after the prison where Ilya and Aleksandr are incarcerated. The first part showed their crime gone wrong and how they ended up being arrested and charged. This part chronicles their arrival to the prison, and Ilya's first batch of hormones. It's still wholly expositional, and this piece contains no smut. However next time we'll get to the fun part. The training and bodily transformation, and all the conflicts that brings up in our two protagonists.

I'm playing with the idea that prisoners are classified as they arrive much like in a normal US prison, and that they better they behave they graduate and get to see better and better accommodation. Ilya in this case is classified as a low risk prisoner. Any ideas, suggestions or feedback is warmly welcome and if you have something that you want to incorporate into the story I'll definitely consider it.

How will they be trained? How does the transformation work? What kind of jobs does prisoners have to do? Are prisoners forced to perform sexual acts with guards?

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>>6508659
Another few ideas I had was to let well trained prisoners take up functions within the facility. Perhaps when they've become loyal enough they help teach and take care of the other prisoners to train them and make them obedient? Also I'm thinking there should be some kind of graduation ceremony, much like at a school. Perhaps a massive ball where the ladies swirl around closely pressed to their new suitors, nicely dressed up for the occasion?

>>6508472
>>durr its not semantics its just semantics
you are one illiterate piece of shit that's for sure. I'm not going to bother to direct you to the post I answered for how it obviously says we're talking about semantics. because you are litterally too stupid to take the clearly illustrated hint.

I'll say it again, what you believe does not change what the dictionary says. rehabilitation is not a mutually exclusive matter from punishment, that should be made painfully clear by both of their definitions, but since you can't follow a train of thought as simple as "is there more than just semantics? no, this is all pretty much faggot here not being able to read," I'm sure its quite normal for you to be lost on this idea.

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>>6508493
>If you use the word "punishment" then you are implying something different from what I was intending. For something to be a "punishment" intent is required. Punishment is an ~infliction~ of a penalty.
no, punishment is the imposition of a penalty. and if you weren't a retard you'd have remembered you used these exact words, despite your inability to comprehend them, just posts earlier. not that that matters either, since inflict is just about as clear as impose only where impose has some legal binding, inflict is just to do something to someone.

>>I'm a very literal person
then it wont be too hard for you to understand that you are literally wrong. you are not a literal person, you are demonstrably ignoring the facts before you word choice and semantics because it doesn't fit the emotions you want to convey. a literal person would stop whining and use word choices that lessen the impact of the emotion he doesn't like in a word, or just add another word on top of it to give it a new tone. like "benevolent punishment" "motherly punishment" whatever the fuck you want to pull out of your ass. using the word punishment IS correct, because you are insisting that in the English language we use a word to describe something that is imposed on a criminal for some kind of transgression, as a penalty. that is the literal meaning of the word. the one you are ignoring.

you are wrong. your message is not being muddled by, your terminology insistence is indefensible, because you are making a statement that a word means something that it doesn't, in true no Scotsman fallacy standard, rather than just complaining about its tone you don't like. punishment has nothing to do with the intention of the inflictor. nothing in the definition references it.

>>6508472
>The only reason this argument started was over semantics.
So it is semantics.

>>6508493
>It matters because "punishment" implies something completely different from what I was originally talking about.
So it isn't semantics.

>Slavery Thread X: Autism Edition

>>6508784
>I'll say it again, what you believe does not change what the dictionary says.
So why do you continue to deny what the dictionary said? As I've already illustrated, the dictionary definition clearly supports my argument.

>>6508790
>punishment is the imposition of a penalty
Correct. Thus, the described scenario doesn't fit the definition of a punishment.

>then it wont be too hard for you to understand that you are literally wrong
Except I'm not. Saying the same incorrect thing a dozen times doesn't make you right. All you're doing is pretending you're right and dancing around with joy while your opponent is going home with the actual medal, having long ago won the race.

>rather than just complaining about its tone you don't like
The tone isn't the issue. If you were capable of reading you'd have realized that. Again, you can call it cruelty or torture if you want. Neither of those things require intent, so they could both be used, though again whether you consider what is described to be those things is a matter of opinion.

However, whether it's punishment or not is not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. I don't care about the tone of the word, no matter how many times you want to knock down that strawman. My issue with "punishment" is that it's factually inaccurate.

I'm tired of trying to parse your incoherent rambling. Please stop being autistic.

>>6509495
It is semantics. Semantics matter. I will not have my words perverted by an imbecile.

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>>6508790

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>>6509846
Yeah, it's probably the most asinine and autistic argument I've ever seen.

>>6509911
no its you who's pretending to dance in joy, my posts have actually had copy pasted dictionary definitions where I broke down every step in search of this "intent" of the wielder.

it did not exist. it does not exist. it is in your head.

>>6506196
>>6508659
Oh nice. Finally a new story in a long time.

>>6508659
>>6508673
Well, you posted elves. I know that you seem to have mostly made the setting "in reality" but maybe it works as "modern fantasy"/"urban fantasy"?
Possible justification for it could be that MAGIC/SCIENCE is used to fast-transform their bodies (with the elvish features being a way to indicate these are former criminals) but the re-education part is the more tiresome part as it is literally making them go through education again only with an extreme bias towards being subservient, obeying and ways to pleasure free men and women (possibly using chastity belts and bras so they cannot pleasure themselves in their free time if that is to be discouraged though I think it could work towards accepting their new bodies, you can put them in chastity later if they misbehave).

As for jobs, while they are in the "academy" they'd be mostly menial tasks that double as "education" for potential job offers like dealing with housework (maid job), cooking, etc and later going for more advanced stuff that could serve for a secretary or burocratic job though with a slight sexist hinge (like focusing on fotocopying, making good coffee, etc).

Also, they are told to be also subservient to free-women not just men.

>Are prisoners forced to perform sexual acts with guards?
Personally I think that should be mostly covered on a demerit basis, students with bad scores get to be the "practical example" in sexual education classes if there are no volunteers.
Guards will refrain from sexual acts on students who are "following the curriculum" (even if begrudgingly) but people who have repeatedly been openly rebellious and tried to escape or tried to sabotage classes are free game for them.

>Perhaps when they've become loyal enough they help teach and take care of the other prisoners to train them and make them obedient?
Well, could be a "senior pupils helping junior students study" kind of thing rather than giving them power (unless they became teachers).

>>6510734
Stop shitposting.

>>6508659
I'd like to see it resemble a girls' private school. No explicit degradation or slavery - yet. In all matters, the prison should make the inmates feel like they're just normal girls at a normal girls' boarding school. The only difference is that the room doors lock at night and there are guards.

Of course, any sign of rowdiness and the guards won't hesitate to break that illusion and remind the prisoners where they really are (Ilya himself probably won't cause problems). Oh, and save sexual use for a little bit later. That way, the girls have some time to get adjusted to their new state, get comfortable... only to have sex suddenly thrust upon them just as they are starting to get settled in.

Rather than jobs, there should be classes. Some are normal classes - math, science, history. 1/4 of the day is on feminine classes, though, focusing on makeup, ladylike etiquette, etc.

I'd like the transformation itself to be fast, with the body fully changed within the week. Just makes it faster that way. Sexual acts with guards shouldn't appear this early. Those are saved for later, when the girls' mental states have settled down, in order to avoid adverse reactions on a rapidly changing mind.

>>6511419
>>i dont agree with you so you're shit posting.
yeah whatever.

Is there a slavery group chat on Skype? These threads have been going for quite a while now although they're usually pretty slow.

>>6513032
I don't think there is. Maybe we should make one?

>>6511431
Frankly I like this scenario more as a school than a prison. School for juvenile delinquents at worst.

>>6463069
Link gone. Name? I can find it myself with a name

>>6513352
Yeah good idea, who's up for making one?

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Here's my list of proposed rules for a slave household. This is focused on male master owning multiple female slaves, but it's easily adaptable.

1. The slave's body and soul are property. She is to understand that "her" body is not hers. This body is for the use of its owner, and its owner is free to use it as he wishes.

2. The slave does not have the privilege of refusing commands or requests. All commands must be carried out to the best of the slave's ability. In the event of failure, the slave must continue attempting her task until she is permitted to stop or she succeeds.

3. The slave must take care of the body owned by her master. She does not have the right to neglect it.

4. The slave is forbidden from seeking pleasure. She is permitted to experience pleasure in the course of her duties and to accept it when granted by her owner, but may not grant pleasure to herself.

5. The slave must accept all restraints placed upon her. She may not request the removal of or attempt to remove any restraints except in the case in which it would violate rule 3, which takes precedence over this rule.

6. The slave does not have the capacity for ownership. Any objects which she possesses are under the stewardship of her owner, who may confiscate any possessions.

7. The slave is not permitted to speak freely. She is only permitted to speak in the service of her master, and all speech must be accurate and concise. Frivolous speech is forbidden.

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>>6513821
I've made a group conversation.
https://join.skype.com/lupgDxxJdDqO

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>>6513531
The name is right there.

>>6514242

Not that I'm against people joining this, nor am I going to join, but what would be the purpose of such a group? Roleplaying?

>>6514877
Just general discussion of slavery, recommendations of various hentai or feedback on your own projects.

>>6514881

Sounds good I guess. How many members?

>>6514888
Whoever made it and me at the moment. Join in, it's fun.

>>6515133

I'd need to make an anon account

So guys, what's your ideal way to keep your slaves in line? Provided they don't already worship you and whatnot.

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>>6517288
It depends. Speaking of a multiple slave household here.

If the slave made an honest mistake, then I'd have her write lines. "I will not xxx again" repeated 100 times or so, and of course sloppy work merits repeats and extras. I expect slaves to be competent, so even honest failures merit some punishment, but after that it's over.

Small offenses would get some "time-out". I'd repurpose a closet for use as the time-out room. It would be located just the right distance from the main living area that she'd be able to hear things going on but not make them out clearly. The slave is handcuffed behind the back, naked, then she stands in the closet for the duration of her punishment. For smaller offenses this would be a few hours. No sitting allowed. The isolation would be the main punishment, but poor ventilation would also be a part of it.

For greater offenses the punishment would match the crime. Bad language means mouth cleaned with soap, then revocation of speech privileges. Fighting means you get handcuffed. Punishment doesn't excuse the slave from her duties. Depending on the offense she may also have to write an essay on what she did wrong and how she will avoid doing it again.

For serious offenses it would be time-out for a long period of time - think days - in a different closet. An automated camera system would monitor it to keep everything running. There would be food and water rationed out automatically. A grill on the floor would allow for waste disposal.

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>>6517384
All that, of course, would be accompanied by positive motivation, as well.

Sex would be a major positive for the girls. It wouldn't be a "reward" but rather an act of shared benefit.

I have total control over the slaves' sexuality. Masturbation is banned, and the girls are forbidden from seeking out sex from others or having sex with others. It's all under my control. If they have sex with someone who isn't me, it's because I told them to.

Of course, this means I'm the primary source of intimacy and sexual fulfillment for the girls, incentivizing them to seek my affections. However, as I said earlier, sex isn't a reward. It's not something I give them and it's not something I take from them, but rather an act of mutual pleasure which I control.

During sex itself I would be the one getting direct pleasure. Sex acts would include mainly things like blowjobs, which don't directly stimulate them, to train the girls to gain pleasure less from physical stimulation and more from the act itself. Standard sex would still be included, though, just mainly as a "finisher".

Besides that, rewards might include small treats. Things like allowing her small trinkets to keep. However, the primary reward is my approval, not objects. A pat on the head, a sign of my approval, would be the real reward.

>>6517288
Isolation and denial of privileges if need be.

Maybe flogging with a rubber hose if it's seriously bad enough. Followed by love bombing, and explaining what they did wrong, because that's how you keep conditioning up.

But I'm more the sort to reward particularly good behavior with like favorite foods and stuff.

>>6454146

>What is the world like?
Our world, very much colonial days except the time setting is on 50's. Brits, French, Spain, Protegeese, dutch, Germany, Russia, Japan, China are on a race to build an empire. (World war did not happen - No Nazi's)

>Who are the slaves?
>Who are the masters/mistresses?
In the lands they colonize or conquer, slaves are taken by noble/wealthy/powerful irrespective of gender as preferred.
Slaves are not cheap as to be owned by common. They are status symbols for rich/wealthy/noble/poweful of colonial families. There would be slave traders/trainers who will pick out slaves and train them, and auction.

>>6517398
>sex is not a reward
>no sex for bad slaves, sex for good slaves

if you could exist in this world would you want to be a slave or a master? i would love to exist in this world and be used till my mind went blank with pleasure and pain and i was completely broken beyond the point of thinking for my self and seeking only to please my master

>>6517509
There isn't any contradiction there.

>>6514242
Would you guys be interested in an IRC instead? Might be a better format.

>>6517509
just let it go man, its his fantasy. The sex he's describing is blowjobs anyway, which is neigh impossible for the girl to get off with.

>>6517943
That could work too, how easy are those to set up?

>>6517987

Not that anon but pretty easy. You connect to an IRC server and just by virtue of joining a channel, you create it. Now, most IRC networks nowadays provide you with a free bot to keep control of your own channel (in the past you had to bring your own bot).

>>6517987
>>6518065
And this way is anonymous, too.

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#Slavery on Rizon. I'm new to this so bear with me if I fuck it up.

>>6517943
but irc is awful, though i guess i wouldnt need two skypes that way.

>>6518139
>but irc is awful
Since when did Reddit invade /d/?

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>>6517976
Yeah. Oral might be fun, but it's not orgasm inducing in the slightest.

That said, doing it whenever someone else wants makes it sound more like a chore than anything else.

Sorry EmuWright, I was asleep. Guys, join the IRC #Slavery on Rizon!

>>6519134

Come idle with us

>>6519134
>>6519581
Every time I join there's no one on. I feel like I'm doing something wrong.

>>6519839

That's because, so far, it's just me and some other dude. And we're there at night (my time, at least). I'll try to idle in the afternoon to keep people from leaving because there's literally no one.

>>6520013
I guess I'm just not around at the right times.

>>6519839
Yeah, unfortunately lack of activity is the only thing wrong.

>>6513531
Are you kidding me? I just copy pasted that whole name into google and found something

>>6505966
>>6506717
Since they executed motherfucking Alan Turing, the godfather of computer science and cryptography, who probably saved the allied nations in WW2, that way, you piece of ungrateful shit.

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>>6519059
Men and women both need companionship and intimacy just as much as sexual pleasure.

I mean, fingerbanging and cunnilingus and handjobs and blowjobs are all common sex activities, and yet all of them are focused on the pleasure of one partner over the other. It's not a "chore" to perform such acts, as many people will do them of their own volition.

When you feel affection for someone, seeing them in pleasure is pleasurable in itself. That's more of what I was going for - that the slaves would care about me enough that they would primarily gain pleasure through giving me pleasure rather than gaining pleasure through their own stimulation.

That's not to say it would be nothing but blowjobs with no stimulation for the girls, but rather that sex would be primarily about them performing acts that bring pleasure to them indirectly as I just described, with their own stimulation being an occurrence rather than an inevitability.

Has anyone got that pic of the boy and the girl being wedged between 2 guys whilst also being forced on to each other? Been looking for it for a while

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I often fantasize about hierarchy within a harem of slave girls.

At the top is the coveted position of the master's favorite. She has significant privileges. Including her own private quarters (for nights when she doesn't share the master's bed), the right to dress like a free woman, and can do as she pleases whenever she isn't directly serving the master. Though she is still a slave, all other members of the harem must obey her as their mistress.

In a large enough harem, the favorite may choose a few favorites of her own. Lieutenants raised above the others (but still below her of course) to help manage the harem and enforce discipline.

The catch is that it's all completely dependent on her master's whim. If he is not longer pleased with her, or simply decides it would be amusing to see her humbled, he can revoke her position at any time.

Below the favorite (and her lieutenants) are the common slaves who would be the majority of the harem. They would wear skimpy clothing marking them as pleasure slaves. When not entertaining the master or his guests, they would spend much of their time on domestic chores, or training in the skills their master most enjoys. Though they would also have some leisure time.

At the bottom are those who are effectively slaves to the other slaves. This position is usually temporary, used as a punishment. Though some are kept this way permanently, because the master believes it to be their natural place, or simply because he enjoys seeing them kept low. These girls are kept naked at all times, and must obey the commands of all above them, even the common slaves. Which makes them the communal playthings of the harem.

>>6495976
Source?

>>6522181

Where do you see yourself in this harem?

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>>6522711
The master, if I'm including myself in the fantasy at all. The funny thing is that it almost doesn't matter to me who the master is. My focus is on the internal power dynamics of he harem.

I like the idea that even among a group of slaves, there are those who are dominate the others, and those who are used by the others. And that those positions can suddenly change.

One of my favorite scenarios is the fall of the harem mistress. A long term favorite who'd grown comfortable in her position, casually abusing the other girls for her amusement, abruptly looses the master's favor. Perhaps another slave has taken his fancy, or he simply feels that she's forgotten her place. He strips of her power and privileges. Sending her straight down to the lowest position in the harem, where she's at the mercy of the other slaves.

Just a friendly reminder to join #Slavery in Rizon. IRC is easy to use, just install Hexchat and join us!

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>>6522181
When you mention "the right to dress like a free woman" and "skimpy clothing marking them as pleasure slaves", what specifically do you mean? Can you go into greater detail?

I'd like to hear what your ideas would be of the difference in clothing that would be required. Perhaps certain body parts specifically would not be allowed to be covered?

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>>6522181
This is actually one of my favorite fantasies, though I more or less exclusively see myself at the very bottom of the hierarchy.

It's a very interesting concept that I feel like we don't see enough of

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>>6522181
I like this, the concept of being the "slave of a slave" (or a group of them in your case) and a hierarchy between slaves always attracted me, a shame that I never found anything focused on that.

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Get in the Skype group people, shit's so cozy

>>6523194
Different anon here, but I see the dress code going like:

>Fave Slave: Dresser full of clothes that Master bought her
>Lieutenants: Random items from the Fave's dresser, handed out based on her mood, and rarely enough to count as 'dressed'.
>Common slaves: Bra&Panties. Also aprons, if appropriate.
>Bottom slaves: Clothes? What clothes?

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>>6524050
The master might choose to keep a particular slave permanently at the bottom. Perhaps as the only slave in that position. Singled out at the one who services the needs of the others. When they want to feel powerful/in control for a moment, or just need to get off when master has been neglecting them, she's their toy.

>>6524382
Sounds about right. Walking around in lingerie would certainly work as slave clothing. And there would have to be concessions for practical concerns, like aprons while working in the kitchen, and bundling up when going outside on a cold day. Outdoor clothing would be worn over the slave's normal attire, and stripped away as soon as they were back indoors.

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I honestly wish slavery was still a thing in the western world

I wish I could be handled and treated like somebody's bitch, fucked any time by my master, forced to wear a collar, spanked harshly anytime I misbehaved and feminized to the point where my mind believes me to be a girl, forced to wear lewd clothing all day and night, master would make gentlemen come in and fuck me constantly to break my mind until I can't think any further without cock, experimented on to increase femininity and change how I look until I'm the perfect women, a pure slut needing cock to even function.

This is my dream.

>>6524382
>>6524634

I kind of think that sort of hierarchy might be a particularly effective way of motivating and manipulating slaves. You give one of the slaves power over the others by promoting them to the top, let them get really comfortable and start to act as if they have real power over the others, then drop them from "nice clothes/position of power" to "living kleenex". Nice object lesson about what the source of authority actually is, excellent motivation for the next person in the job to work harder, and a chew-toy to help keep the second lowest ranks content.

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Writing prompt challenge!

Some of us from the skype group came together and came up with a few prompts, and after a bit of talking we settled on the following: "A girl is about to move back in with her parents, leading an unsuccessful life despite having a close circle of friends. the friends don't want her to go back, so they join forces to kidnap her and keep her as a slave."

Type it up and finish your submission until next Sunday, pastebin it and post it in this thread. We're going to draw a strawpoll to determine the winner. Your prize? The eternal glory and admiration of your fellow /d/eviants of course.

So what's the rules?
1. Link to your submission in this thread with a short blurb before Sunday the 8th.
2. Keep your submission to a maximum of 3.000 words. If you're a hundred or so over that's still ok.
3. Have fun!

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>>6524634
>When they want to feel powerful/in control for a moment, or just need to get off when master has been neglecting them, she's their toy.
Yeah. That's why I fantasize about myself in that position. I love that kind of thing. The thought that I'm so low on the totem pole that even slaves treat me as a toy is really, really hot.

>>6469927
Are they mom and son? They look related.

>>6454146

4 - http://pastebin.com/vruxYd9U

>>6526280
They don't look related to me.

And for the sake of the resulting product's genetic health I really hope they aren't.

>>6520731
>who probably saved the allied nations in WW2,
>you piece of ungrateful shit.
I'm Italian you shit, so what EXACTLY do I have to be grateful for?

>>6463069
This makes me sad :/

>>6525500
>"A girl is about to move back in with her parents, leading an unsuccessful life despite having a close circle of friends. the friends don't want her to go back, so they join forces to kidnap her and keep her as a slave."
I'd do a twist where she doesn't want to move back with her parents and her friends take advantage of that to make slavery her only other option, which she reluctantly accepts.

>>6533384
that was kind of the idea actually. though some of us made the twist mandatory, rather than a reluctant yes

Please don't die!

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/
Born in Slavery: Slave Narratives from the Federal Writers' Project, 1936-1938

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So I've finally completed a new chapter for A1386G. The first since June. Holy shit.

It's a new Chapter 7 since I realized I missed a whole lot of shit, and shouldn't have had a month time skip.

So here you go: A1386G Pt.7(new): http://pastebin.com/ym3kvcUj

The old chapter 7 is still there and still canon, but it's in the future of the story.

>>6536405
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/
but this is all racial based slavery right?
that's the plebest of slavery.

>>6536536
It's a .gov website. Meaning that it's based on mid-19th century and prior slavery in the United States. To which all I have to say is,

>Bringing real life crap into fetish discussion and fantasy

>>6536540
It's occasionally useful for background research if you're a writer doing this stuff, but talking about Rome (Veni Vidi Veni) or the Ottomans is more fun for that.

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>>6536465
Thank's Anon

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>>6536405
>American Slavery
>AKA the ones that did it wrong and ruined it for everybody

>>6536536

When there's gender-based, what happens to transsexuals, both M2F and F2M?

>>6536881

> an historically educated and poignant post about slavery on 4chan

WTF?

> on /d/

Oh, that explains it.

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>>6537813
One of the threads back, we had a nice little bit about Sally Hemmings and Roman Slave-keeping practices.

Really, /d/ is one of the more surprisingly informative parts of the internet.

>>6537799
Assuming women are slaves, then MtF would lose their rights at some point, and FtM wouldn't be a thing.

>>6538286
>Assuming women are slaves, then MtF would lose their rights at some point,
What would the process be? At what point do they have an owner and cease being one?

>and FtM wouldn't be a thing.
Is there some way it could be? What would happen to slaves who feel F2M?

>>6538286
>>6538889
The possibility of a slaver Mulan is intriguing. As is the possibility of a suitably useful slave earning freedom and therefore 'becoming' male.

>>6507177
the level of language used here and your hentai pic do not agree with one and another

shit, your rhetoric is better than any one of my essays

>>6531638
bullshit, everybody knows italians cannot speak english.
source: I am italian

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>>6540614
Good communication is the key to healthy and productive slave raising though.

In all seriousness I wouldn't rate my rhetoric as that good. but I also don't write essays or read many of them to have any ability to compare.

>>6504543
water torture is all in your head, you're not actually drowning right?

back to tumblr

>>6538923
I'm more interested in the opposite, a male becoming a slave-woman.

Is slavehood a price worth paying to be female? Is womanhood worth giving up freedom?

>>6542024
whoa chucklefuck. lets not start this shit up again please.

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>>6542026
Depends on the owner in all likelyhood.
and the culture. if its that world where you aren't allowed to show emotions as a girl it probably wouldnt be a tough call. if it was more a general male dominated society it might be more even.

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>>6542026
Wishes I was a girl anyways
has thought about this very idea many times before

As long as I got to make my female body the way I want to look as a girl I'd most likely sign up for it. Unless it was some shit setting to be a female in like >>6542032 mentioned

>>6538889
>What would happen to slaves who feel F2M?
They'd get punished for feeling without permission.

>>6542026
>I'm more interested in the opposite, a male becoming a slave-woman.
I imagine it would only happen to people who go too far into debt. I guess volunteers would write a will before going on to have surgery and being declared the lawful property of their new owner. The one perk of volunteering - being able to chose your new owner - would probably also be a curse, because there could also be a life time of second guessing.

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>>6513988
Does rule 3 supersede rule 2?

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>>6542987
I'm sure in the end if you want to be a girl it might be worth it to be considered property on that very fact alone.
But it sounds like you'd want magic body changing stuff
Most of the people who made the jump would have to make due with hormones.
Even if you where allowed to be emotive as a slave since that's only that one anon's idea and there are many male dominated societies, you'd have to live with the idea that you are an utter inferior and to obey your male master's on gender alone, and 'worship' the one who owns you.

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>>6543241
I wasn't thinking magic I was thinking more a future setting with very advanced ways to mess with peoples DNA.
So I can explain my setup if you want to hear it?

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>>6543241
>you'd have to live with the idea that you are an utter inferior and to obey your male master's on gender alone, and 'worship' the one who owns you.
To be fair, this is pretty much why I'm into slavery as a fetish.

I guess I don't have any strong feelings on how masters and slaves are determined, but the rest of that is very much why I'm here.

>>6543267
not all that interested, I mean i'm sure a lot of people would become a girl on a whim if the technology was perfect. the real trial is if you would do anything to get closer to the real you even if the final product wasn't a lamborgini.

>>6543277
I tend to not like male domination where females are always the slave. but most of the stuff I do like tends to be corrupted by straight subs being the ones raped by lesbian doms.

My narrow tastes basically forced me to not have strong prejudices against certain arrangments of slavery, as to excise them is like cutting out whole food groups of what little there is left that i'll eat.

>>6543267
>So I can explain my setup if you want to hear it?
Yes.

>>6543277
Someone who wants to be a slave might become a woman just for that in such a society.

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>>6543427
Its not a male or female dominated world just normal like now just with added slave girls/boys

In the year 20XX changeing your DNA to greatly extend your life, eternal youth, change your gender or nearly anything else is a simple safe easy thing to do but it cost a lot so its used completely by the rich and powerful the world over. It is offered to anyone else who can't afford it at a price you will become a slave and your gender will be changed but since you will be made a slave in exchange for it you are allowed to design your new body to anything of your likeing. Once done any trace of your old life will be removed form all databases you no longer exist in any records. Even your fingerprints are changed into what amounts to a barcode which is your new slave ID that is needed for a lot of things in your new life.

Once the paper work is done and the body changed your sent off to a slave traning school for the next 2 years. Once finsihed your put up for sale on the market starting price for a basic slave is $800,000. Once bought your new owner may want you to have some extra skills so they could send you back for some speical programs like speaking other lanugaes, programming, etc which in turns ups your cost so depending on what your new owner wants they may end up paying up to $10 million for you in total once you have completed all your new skills.


Now as a slave you are affored a few rights you have a choice in your hairstyle & what you wear you can choose from lingeire, tiny skimpy swimwear or slutty clothing only as well as what kind of collar and leash you want which are all provied for free by the state. And thats pretty much the extent of choice a slave has in this world. This is used partly to help make a slave stand out in public when they are with their owner or they are sent out on errans during the day.

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>>6543507
(continued)

And since slaves are a all volunteer group they still have most basic human rights as in the owner will be punished or jailed for life should he beat his slave to harshly or outright kill them.
As they do have bi-monthly check ups to ensure the slaves health and also a way to make sure the owner isn't mistreating them. Naturally its still perfectly fine for a slave to
be whipped hit for punsihment within limits of coruse. But this doesn't happen very often usually any whip or bruise marks are due to the bondage games the slaves are used for.


As slaves are so expenisve they are owned only by the rich of the world so most slaves belong to a master who owns anywhere from 3 to 100 slaves
generally during a slaves 700+ of years of life they won't be resold as its annoying to have to retrain used slaves all the time
or break them of habits their old masters drilled into them. So unless your owner is killed somehow or you really displease them big time
whoever buys you will be your owner for the rest of your life.

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>>6540614
>>6542004
>>6542024

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>>6542026
The way I see it, this could work if you considered gender to be defined by role, rather than being strictly connected to biological sex.

I'm about to go off with my own specific fetishes and scenario, so bear with me. I've posted some of this before.

In my setting, gender would be tied to sexual role. That is to say, penetrator/penetrated. The male gender is the gender whose role is to penetrate with the phallus, while the female gender is the one that provides pleasure with her body by being penetrated. Note that females do not necessarily have to be penetrated in the mouth, pussy, or ass in a given act of sex.

The male gender would be the dominant one, while all females would be slaves. This is because culturally, allowing oneself to be penetrated is seen as letting yourself be used - it's an act of servitude and humiliation. To willingly accept the female role is seen as self-debasement, while to deny it is preposterous. Those who are biologically female lack the organ necessary to function as a member of the male gender, and as such are bound to the female gender, as artificial implements such as strapons are considered a taboo perversion of nature. All those of the female sex are bound to the female gender, and those of the female gender are slaves.

I should probably mention that virginity is irrelevant. If you would be in the female role, you are of the female gender and are enslaved, no question.

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>>6543846
So I've been kind of skirting around the real subject up to now: how about those who are biologically male? Well, by default, all men are of the male gender. As long as they continue to fulfill the male role, it stays that way.

However, if a man willingly (and that word is important - willingly) chooses to let himself be penetrated - to have sex in the female role - his gender immediately becomes female, as he has chosen the female role. There is no going back from this. Once you become female, you cannot be male again.

These men are immediately put into male chastity devices - those of the female gender don't get to have a phallus. From then on, they must function as women, meaning sex for them means penetration and orgasm mainly comes from prostate stimulation. Socially they are equivalent to women, dress as such, and are treated as such. They're not particularly pariahs or anything; they are just treated as normal women would be.

These people don't understand homosexuality as we do. Sex between two biological males isn't really homosexuality since one of them is of the female gender. Two females cannot have "sex" as they do not have a true penetrative organ between them. It's not taboo or anything, and women are allowed to carry out lesbian romances, but it's not treated as "real", as it is a physical impossibility for two women to have "sex" as it is understood in this culture. It's essentially considered "cute" and nonthreatening.

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>>6543848
Some men would choose to become female. Being a slave essentially frees you of all responsibilities, and your owner chooses your path for you. In other words, slavery frees the slaves of the burden of freedom.

Women, of course, do not have that choice. While they have basic rights against abuse, they don't have any real choice. For them it is slavery from their birth until their last breath.

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>>6543401
It would probably be more accurate to say that by
>I guess I don't have any strong feelings on how masters and slaves are determined, but the rest of that is very much why I'm here.
I meant "l don't actually give a fuck about gender in any capacity, but I'll roll with it when discussing somebody else's fantasy"

>>6543507
>>6543510
What would the slave training school teach in the 2 years?

How will a slave get to choose clothing if her owner wants to decide it for her?

>>6543846
>>6543848
>>6543850
Where's the line between lesbian "sex" which is acceptable and artificial implements which are taboo? Do fingers count, for example?

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>>6544722
>Where's the line between lesbian "sex" which is acceptable and artificial implements which are taboo? Do fingers count, for example?
Fingers are not considered artificial implements, as they are not artificial. However, they are not considered to be sufficient to lay claim to the male gender. This is because they are not actually a sex organ in the way a penis is.

In a sense, there is a "right" to penetrate that only men may claim. While women have fingers that they can use to penetrate each other, it is forbidden for them to do so, as that would be an attempt to reach above their station. Men are allowed to use their fingers to penetrate as they have the organ that gives them the right to penetrate. Do note that men who are of the female gender are considered to have had their penises disabled, and are treated as women in this regard, as in all other things.

Lesbian "play" consists of things such as scissoring, kissing, cunnilingus, and mutual masturbation, etc. - any sort of stimulation that doesn't involve penetration is okay. It is, by definition, not "sex"; just play. Even romantic relationships that don't pass the penetration border are acceptable. However, they aren't considered "true" relationships, but are treated as "play", and due to the nature of slavery, no true commitments are possible. Such relationships are expected to be fleeting, and an owner would not hesitate to forcibly bring the relationship to an end for the sake of his convenience.

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>>6544722
>What would the slave training school teach in the 2 years?

Basic training they all take does:
Lots of cooking classes, how to for assorted common repair work around a house. landscaping basic car work. Following commands without question, remove any form of shame they might have left in them complete with each "student" haveing a nude day where they aren't allowed to wear anything that day, complete mastery of every sexual act that could be done on either a man or woman, getting use to eating as a slave (like a dog) along those lines and other things that don't come to mind right now

>How will a slave get to choose clothing if her owner wants to decide it for her?

It was just something the rich just had to give up the idea of to get enough people to sign up. So it was a tried idea but didn't take well with the potential slave base so they dropped the idea. But their are exceptions to this rule like if the owner is having a party or hosting a event of some kind then which ever slaves they bring with them or having working at the event/party have to wear what they are told before it starts. Then they change back to their normal clothes when its done.

Wow these threads are slow

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>>6546347
Sad, but they are :(

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I do love this picture.

She looks so lonely, what with her owner not there and all.

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Since this thread is moving so slowly I'll just post my fantasy (female sub POV) that's only marginally related to slavery. Hopefully that will fly.

I'm mistakenly committed to a mental institution as an involuntary patient. It's a short 3-day internment, but one of the doctors takes a liking to me. He quickly fakes evidence of my instability and has me declared a dangerous and seditious patient.

My stay is then extended to indefinite. In accordance with my new status as "dangerous" some restrictions are placed on me. I am to be gagged at all times since I'm seditious (I am considered to be able to convince others, so my ability to speak is taken). I am even fed though a tube that plugs into the gag. The only time it's removed is with my daily therapy sessions - which, incidentally, are with the doctor who decided to abuse me. I am to be physically restrained at all times. At no point am I to be allowed access to my limbs - I'm cuffed into bed with leather cuffs, and when I am to get out the guards must hold my wrists continuously until they're cuffed behind my back.

The doctor, of course, uses my sexually during the unrecorded and unsupervised therapy. Every day I get raped him, in whichever of my holes he wishes to use.

And, of course, since there's no one else to communicate with, there is no escape.

>>6549397
thats pretty awful. do you imagine it's ramifications on you long term? or just the sex and such?

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>>6549428
I dunno, do you consider the long-term ramifications of your sexual fantasies?

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>>6549428
I mean sure it sounds like it'd be awful in real life, but this is just a fantasy. It sounds hot to me, and I'd jerk off to it, but I sure as hell wouldn't wanna live it out.

Considering the long term ramifications seems like a weird thing to do.

Just found this article about ke$ha basically being used and turned into a sex slave by her manager. Lots of drug use, degredation, threats and stuff involved.

Sucks that it happened to a real person, in a non-consensual situation. I am also probably a monster for masturbating to it.

http://www.passionweiss.com/2015/11/17/what-happened-to-kesha-a-timeline/

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So I found a new ridiculously specific fetish: delicious brown elf servants.

They're definitely fun for the whole family, and I'd buy one if I could.

>>6551196
>They're definitely fun for the whole family,
And by that you mean the buyer and 20 generations down the line

>>6549819
>seems like a weird thing to do.
Welcome to /d/.

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The world is fantasy with a heavily Roman flavor. Anyone can be a slave - parents can sell children, people can sell themselves or be made slaves as punishment for crimes, and slaves are always taken during wars. Slave prices vary - a well-trained, intelligent/beautiful slave would be worth a lot of money, while slaves that aren't good for much are cheap - so lots of people own slaves. I'd be a slave, always anxious to please my master or mistress out of fear that they'd sell me into heavy labor or something dangerous.

Less worldbuildy, my ideal master would be an avant-garde performance artist who would frequently tie me up, gag me, and set up a table full of tools (which won't draw blood or cause real harm) near me for the audience to use on me. At other times, I'd just be tied to a structure or in an interesting position and left as a living statue, or serve drinks and hors d'oeuvres at a more traditional type of art show, although it would probably be photographs of myself on the walls. When not being displayed, I would take care of his house and be ready for his use.