>Marvel: Someone's coming back for Legacy!! >Fans:

In Marvel's defense, the O5 are still around. So their open disdain for their fans isn't exactly a new thing.

>>95374210
she's been gone twice as long as everything else

>>95374210
>>Fans: We want original Wolverine!
Who wants that? Tell me their names, and they'll be history

With that said, fuck jean grey

>>95374390
And nobody misses her

>>95374210
Eh, I want adult Jean. She wasn't alive for 13 years. Marvel is doing exactly what I want.

Rightclops and Sniktbub are dead so there won't be shitty drama.

>>95374411
Why? She's a boring mary sue character

>>95374210
They'll bring back adult Jean? But why? Also since Scott's dead she'll be sleeping around and when Scott is eventually brought back it's gonna bring cheap drama.

>>95374210
I wish Jean would stay dead. Its always the same shit with her

This is a pretty big deal to be honest.

Quit complaining because (you) wanted something else

>Adult Jean alive
>possiblity of Teen Jean x Kidclops x Adult Jean porn and shipping

Only upside

I want adult Jean to brainwash young Jean into thinking she's a selfcestuous lesbian.

>>95374505
>>95374499
Self incest porn when?

>>95374517
My own clone etc

>>95374499
That reminds me: Has Waid bothered to come out with a new issue of Champions? Seems like ages ago since I was last convinced that a comic book had given me a reason to kill myself.

>>95374534
It's been releasing regularly, just since Waid isn't on Twitter being a lolcow anymore /co/ no longer cares.

>>95374476
No.

>>95374210
I just feel kind of indifferent about her return at this point.

Adult Jean vs Judge Frost (yes, Emma is locked into being a villain for at least a few years after the shit they did with her) fighting over the legacy Cyclops' would want after his death? Maybe it could work

>>95374210
>>Fans: We want the Spider-Man marriage back!
Isn't Marvel doing this with Renew Your Vows? I'm not too caught up with that though

is it any good?

>>95374210
>We want original Wolverine!

I never understood those people, his death was great. He live a long life and he is already a successful character. It is like bringing Goku after his story is told.

>Fans: We want the Spider-Man marriage back!

Which that make renew your vows pointless as hell. Seriously, there is three universes of peter parker and mary jane being together.

All I want from Marvel is

>Good Spiderman

Which I get with Peter Parker: Spectacular Spiderman and a bit of Miles)

>Ant-man back

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Good Daredevil (Getting that so far)

>Fun X-men (X-men blue and Weapon X)

So just Ant-man is letting me down, and I would like a poor Peter Parker instead of the rich one.

>>95377130
Renew your vows is an AU though. It's okay, my only gripe about it was Jean in that universe was Married to Logan and Scott didn't end up with Emma.

>>95377329
Who's Scott dating in this universe?

>>95377177
RYV is already pointless as hell

>>95377433
No one. He came to terms with Logan fugging Jean because he couldn't deal with the drama. My mugga Scott just can't catch a break.

>>95377130
>>95377329
It's getting a timeskip and new writer in Legacy, so it might be time to drop it.
The new writer is Jody Houser, of Mother Panic and Faith

>>95374581
Is it even doing well?

>>95377503
Renew your vows is gonna get affected by Legacy? Isn't it self contained tho. And Faith, the Valiant Faith?

>>95377526
It's not.

>>95374210
Is Jean really suppose to be "the return of a beloved character"?

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>>95377436
>A good AU that is written by a good writer and it is still on-going.
>While other stories is forgotten or cancel.

Fuck you, MJ fags. I want a house of M spider-man.

>>95374210
Original Wolverine is literally on the cover as well.

>>95377478
Poor Scott, but there's other mutant ladies that he could try something, maybe Betsy...

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>>95377542
Yeah Annie is getting aged up that person who wrote Faith for Valiant is the new writer

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>>95377542
Yes, that Faith

https://www.newsarama.com/36007-amazing-spider-man-renew-your-vows-13-jumps-to-annie-s-teenage-years-in-marvel-legacy.html

>>95377592
Isn't that supposed to be his son from Earth 1610?
>>95377603
He's gonna live the hermit life.
>>95377613
>>95377614
They're just gonna add force drama huh? I'm gonna bet my right nut that MJ and Pete will separate for some bullshit reason

>>95374390
>she's been gone twice as long as everything else
Not really, Ben Reilly was dead for full on 20 years. She's been gone for what, about 13?

>>95377542
Cancelation numbers?

Wasn't she fusing with Young jean or something

>>95377613
How old are Peter and MJ, cause they look pretty fucking young here.

>>95374411
>Rightclops and Sniktbub are dead so there won't be shitty drama.

Except Jean was the cause of all that drama, and she's easily the worst of that triangle since she played both sides. Fuck that bitch and fuck you for thinking she's anything worthwhile.

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>Jean Grey in Avengers

>>95377656
They should be in their 40's by then.
>>95377643
I think so but then it's not gonna get cancelled since it's a diversity team book by Marvel and doing that would be admitting they fucked up.
>>95377666
Didn't Scott fugg with Emma tho? I'm not that knowledgeable with X-men shit

>>95377694
Only because he was mindfucked by Apocalypse or after Jean died for the 2nd time, and Jean already was seducing Logan.

>>95377716
Yeah why did Jean ever want to fuck the hairy manlet/ why did Logan want to fuck Scott's fucking wife/girlfriend, pretty weird also he's a fucking cradle chaser.

>>95377632

Ben Reily as much as I love the guy is hardly a big a name as Jean Grey

Don't tell me she's coming back to haunt Emma after she "failed' Scott

>>95377643

I misread the thread, here are the Champions numbers:
10/16 Champions #1 - 334,937
11/16 Champions #2 - 49,733 (-85.2%)
12/16 Champions #3 - 47,481 (- 4.5%)
01/17 Champions #4 - 34,969 (-26.4%)
02/17 Champions #5 - 31,344 (-10.4%)
02/17 Champions #1.MU ($5) - 20,999 (-33.0%)
03/17 Champions # 6 - 33,220 (+58.2%)
04/17 Champions # 7 - 27,734 (-16.5%)
05/17 Champions # 8 - 24,602 (-11.3%)
06/17 Champions # 9 - 27,444 (+11.6%)
07/17 Champions #10- 27,366
08/17 Champions #11- 24,475
Low, but actually good for modern-marvel titles. Champions #1 was in like 6 different lootcrates
Teen Titans for comparison (since they are the same team audience):
09/2016: Rebirth #1 -- 93,411 (+378.0%)
10/2016: Teen Titans #1 -- 71,459 (- 23.5%)
11/2016: Teen Titans #2 -- 52,877 (- 26.0%)
12/2016: Teen Titans #3 -- 44,116 (- 16.6%)
01/2017: Teen Titans #4 -- 41,304 (- 6.4%)
02/2017: Teen Titans #5 -- 39,028 (- 5.5%)
03/2017: Teen Titans #6 -- 37,572 (- 3.7%)
04/2017: Teen Titans #7 -- 36,056 (- 4.0%)
05/2017: Teen Titans #8 -- 43,385 (+ 20.3%)
06/2017: Teen Titans #9 -- 36,058 (- 16.9%)
07/2017: Teen Titans #10 -- 35,308 (- 2.1%)
08/2017: Teen titans #11 --33,434

>>95377777
Those quints also 334,937 copies for #1.

>>95374210
Eh, it's something for once. Unless they also fuck this up, which is likely.

Is this the Jean who died 13 years ago or will this be the Adult Jean that O5 Jean met in generations ?

>>95374505
>Adult Jean returns, finds out Teen Jean brainwashed both Bobbies into being gay.
>Changes them back.
>Turns Teen Jean bi through a brief psychic battle/mind rape.
>Gang Bang!!!

>>95374517
it's not incest dumbass it's selfcest

>>95377067
Rather have Adult Jean and Judge Frost working together to genocide the Inhumans.

This would be cooler if they already didn't have a Jean Grey running around.

>>95374505
>>95374517
Artfriends pls

>>95377861
The Generations one, she'll come from the past just like the other Jean but it will be an adult version of her before her Pheonix retconning so they can do a fresh new retcon of everything she's ever done.

>>95377741
It's just old and creepy writers who self insert more with the hairy manlet than the chad looking Scott.

>>95377818
Variant cover fuckery

>>95377478
I thought he got with Emma in that verse

>Jean Grey might come back
>Rumors of Logan Wolverine also coming back
>The OP who leaked information said Marvel would bring both of them back and make them the new fantastic four alongside with Johnny & The Thing
Could it be..?

>>95380245
If that happens or if they push Logan and Jean as a couple I swear I´ll stop buying Marv... damn... I already did that

>>95374210
>>Fantastic Four
3 men, one token woman. Also right problems and their films tanked
>>original Wolverine
A man. A canadian man!
>>Spider-Man marriage back
MJ would be a wife and has to be second role
>>Jean Grey
A woman, a fighter, not more background than other X-characters. Character evolved over the years, one, if phoenix, the most powerfull mutant. Kinda cucked by her man, single. IP still a seller and even if rights are not in reach, film and tv make money and even are rather successfull, more than inhumans.

No wonder that current Marvel brings Jean back.

>>95380266
There's nothing wrong with Logan/Jean being a thing since Scott can hook up with Emma.

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>Jean

>>95380917
Sure, Casey.

>>95377613
>that person who wrote Faith for Valiant is the new writer
Fuck

>>95380917
Yeah they were hot in AoA. Scott is fucking dead anyway so who cares.

>>95378082
>>Turns Teen Jean bi
Anon every mutant girl is bi and is secretly into S&M

That's like, Claremont's number one rule.

>>95377741
>Yeah why did Jean ever want to fuck the hairy manlet
Wolverine is apparently a very good lover. Also hung. I don't think he's boyfriend material tho, more like a fuckbuddy

Scott got cucked by all of his girlfriends. He's probably boring at bed.

>>95374499
You're right anon. This is the only upside.

>>95377614
>>95377613
why is it so hard for people to understand a full mask is superior to a domino mask the happy compromise would be ultimate jess

>>95381518
>Wolverine is apparently a very good lover. Also hung.
Jean wouldn't know, since she never slept with him.

What happened was that this old, hairy stink manlet treated her like a redneck treats a waitress and she decided that she really wanted to sleep with him based on that, but didn't because her husband was always on the way.

>>95377679
it's funny. avenger steal so many x-men characters, and they still suck balls

>>95381539
Domino mask always pisses me off. It is worst than clark kent glasses.

>>95381578
>Jean wouldn't know, since she never slept with him.
She doesn't have too. She is a telepath

And they did have a rough start but Wolverine was always very kind to Jean.

>>95381518

I think the problem was Jean being a slut instead of Scott doing something wrong (and maybe inexperience from both).

I man that can hold the love and interest of two telepathic women, even three if we consider Psylock is far from being "boring". Also, Emma is the ultimate kinky lady, and this kind does not single fall in love with a "boring man".

>>95380871
>MJ would be a wife and has to be second role
What if MJ became the All-New Spider-Man, and Peter a stay-at-home dad?

>>95377526
Nope. Which, even though I'm not reading it, I don't think is that bad a thing, because I really hate the direction Avengers has gone in since Bendis and eventually the movies where it has to be the BIGGEST, MOST IMPORDANT characters and be the flagship book.

From what I can tell, Waid has been making it about more second-stringer characters and their interactions, which I'm all for, just the early issues I read were really fucking bad.

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>>95381665
>What if MJ became the All-New Spider-Man, and Peter a stay-at-home dad?

Gay peter sounds more interesting than that.

>>95381664
I don't think we can call her a slut since she never slept with Logan (or any other men) when she and Scott were a couple.
She did kiss other men just like Scott had kissed other women (and fuck in Emma's case). He's probably more of a slut than she is.

And telepaths like how Scott's mind work or some shit. That's what Emma said at least.

>>95381701
I'm talking about Avengers when y'all were talking about Champions, d'oh.

>>95381811
>I don't think we can call her a slut since she never slept with Logan (or any other men) when she and Scott were a couple.
Not for lack of trying.

Fourth issue of Morrison's run and Jean goes to Logan behind Scott's back and asks him to fuck her. Logan refused because Morrison's Wolverine was a bro.

>>95381811

I was just memeing on the slut part, sorry.
The thing about telepathic women is that well, you know deep inside what girls want from a man, and unlike other girls who can fall for appearances, and take some time to really know if a man has what they can provide, Jean (after experience) and Emma can cut straight to were it matters, so this implies that Scott is basically the ultimate safety and male provider a girl would want, to be at her side, to provide for their family and to be a loving but caring father.

Expect that he fucked up a lot when he had the chance about the father part, kek, but it's still kinda reflect on the sentiment people overall have to him: everyone respects scott summers.

>>95381811

Scott didnt fuck Emma for real until after Jean died.
Morrison tried to create a paradox "is telepathic cheating real cheating? is thinking about doing it as bad as doing?" but it was a failed attempt, because the powerful telepaths can make it feel completely like the real thing.
The Jean vs Emma confrontation ends when Jean discover Scott and Emma had not had sex for real, but she leaves angry saying "but they were thinking about it"

Emma and Scott only had mind sex (in which Emma role played as Jean) when Jean was alive.
Jean actually got more physical than them by stealing 2 kisses from Wolverine. but then it's up for debate is two real kisses are worse or less bad than telepathic sex.

>>95382008

>emma will never take your telephathic virginity

I got a raging boner when Emma showed up with the Phoenix uniform in Scott's mind.

>>95374407
I want him back.

>>95381847
Yeah she was lucky Logan prevented her from doing something stupid when she was at her lowest. I seriously doubt he did it just for Scott.

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>>95382118

Ill storytime the confrontation because Im bored. And I think it's a classic issue. And younger posters/lurkers may not have read many comics with real Jean or only know her from the cartoon.

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>>95382273

>>95382008
Yeah it was a very interesting concept to explore.
I get that psychic sex = sexual fantasies but when a telepath is involved it reaches a whole new level.

In fact I believe Jean was more furious because it was all psychical.

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>>95382295

>>95382205
She wasn't at her lowest, she was alright. She wanted to cheat on Scott because she felt like it. Scott was the one fucked in the head at the time.

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>>95382313
>>95382324


I think the best real life analogy would be if phone sex or skype sex is real cheating. I think Morrison thinks it's not as bad as the real thing because what Jean wanted to know most is if Scott and Emma had fucked during their rescue mission of Xorn.

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>>95374210
Seeing this shit is why I dropped comics in the first place. Like a character? New writer assassinates them, then you atch slowly ass they get dragged in the mud and eventually killed. At least in death they can't be ruined any further, you say? Well, time to revive them, retcon any good characterization they had, and then write them from scratch with a brand new shit one. Rinse and repeat for every character you like.

Fuck comics. Anyone that still reads read them shouldn't bother complaining, they know what's in store.

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>>95382333
She was very sad, she felt her marriage was cold and distant and could't comunicate with Scott anymore (also he wouldn't touch her). I think it was the first time in 30 year that SHE approached Wolverine and not the other way around. It was quite obvious she wasn't "alright".

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>>95382448

they hadnt had sex in 5 months

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>>95374210
I want Jean back.

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>>95382578

>>95382365
That is a more fitting analogy. And Morrison said he did think it was cheating but that their marriage was already over so whatever.

>>95382431
Okay, so she can't read the mind of her traumatized husband anymore? Hardly the best reason the cheat on said traumatized husband. Scott was at his lowest, and instead of trying to work it out with him her first impulse was to try to sleep with Logan.

It is worse because just 3 issues before both Xavier and Beast told her to support Scott, since he clearly needed help.

I fucking love this psychic affair stuff but reminding me of Xorn's wasted potential and the fucking bacteria stuff is painful

>>95374407
>Who wants that?
Me.

>And nobody misses her
I do.

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>>95382550
Emma deserved it.

What if she makes Bobby straight again? Not the Bobby she remembers.

>>95377067

>Emma's a villain again

Fucking glad I dropped Marvel ages ago. Emma was so much better as the most sarcastic X-Man.

>>95374426
>mary sue
If a main could be a "mary sue", she still wouldn't be one. Have you ever tried not being stupid?

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>>95380917
Not to mention they've never actually DONE or BEEN a thing in universe as far as I can tell. The Morrisson Kiss was about as bad as it ever got, and when they were in Inferno?

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>>95382728

Reminder that this was a fucking psychic mind rape because Jean used the Phoenix Force to break into Emma diamond form + psy shields.

>>95374210
I would have taken anyone over Jean Grey honestly.

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>>95382938

end, in a few minutes ill storytime the beginning of the affair as a bonus track

>>95382894
>>95382918
I miss bro-verine.

>>95382616
>instead of trying to work it out with him her first impulse was to try to sleep with Logan.
But she did try to reach Scott and work out his problems during 5 moths exactly. Looking for Logan wasn't her first impulse.

And why wouldn't she read his mind? I really don't know. Maybe she didn't want to take the easy route and instead make Scott open up to her. Obviously that did not work.

>>95382894
Wolverine is my favorite character, I love that he was like the one guy who was chill with Emma

>>95382643
Me too.

Also this could mean the O5 are going away. I mean, the only reason to bring them to the present was to have "a" Jean running around again.

>>95382983
hes dead now, no one can harm him.

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>>95383179

>>95382518
I love how Charles basically says "scott, you are fucking retarded"

>>95382399
so true i don't even know why i come to this general anymore.

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>>95383336

>>95383026
Anon, it took one night to Emma reached out to Scott. Why could Emma do in one night what Jean couldn't in 5 months?

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>>95374210
I'd rather have Adult Cyclops alive again.

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>>95383447
and here they mind-fug

>>95383371
Butt sex

>>95383442
Let him rest for a couple of years

>>95383606

I always thought this was 50% of the problem. Sexual insatisfaction, + professional one. Basically, some kind of mid life crisis. No longer wanting to be the errand boy of Xavier, no longer having the same morals as when you were a teen, and knowing that your wife wouldnt be ok with your real you.

Ideally, they woudl have gotten divorced like adults instead of having to kill Jean again.

>>95377130
>>95377503
>>95377542
>>95377613
>conway and stegman leaving
>annie is getting aged up
why are they taking away the BEST PARTS OF THE BOOK FUCK

>>95374210
>Marvel: Someone's coming back for Legacy

Gasp! Art Adams?!

>>95383691
I really believe part of his problem was that he wanted to try new things and was to afraid to ask because he had this idealised image of Jean.
And he should't have been really. Jean was freak too, that was the whole point of the DPS.

They were both just very repressed people.

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>>95383447
>>95383478

>>95383812
"Jean.... have you ever heard of this thing called pegging, it's whe-?"
"I want a divorce."

>>95383935
I could actually believe Scott is into pegging.

>>95374407
Between Millar's wolverine, female wolverine and whatshisface wolverine, original sounds awesome.

>>95379935
Loot crates as mentioned in the post. They buy a bulk set for each of them.

>>95383371

Because Morrison wanted to break Scott and Jean up, so he opened his run with their relationship already dying.

He did such an effective job that his take on Jean, and on them as a couple, is the only one people seem to remember.

>>95384187

but it wasnt completely out of character if you look at the mess that was Scott leaving Maddie and their son, and not telling Jean he was married with a son all of Busiek's run.

>>95384187
Oh that's just morrisonfags bringing it up.
Well, that and Scott/Emma shippers.

>>95374407
>Who wants that? Tell me their names, and they'll be history
Don't worry waifufag, they've been pushing Laura for 13 years she won't go away just because the real Wolverine comes back.

>>95384187
Morrison didn't start this trend. Casey's run opened with a cover that screamed "love triangle". Also, in Claremont's run, Jean and Logan would make out every time they found themselves alone in a room, regardless of Scott. Ultimate X-Men had Jean losing her virginity to Logan a few issues in.

Morrison just did what every other X-Men writer was already doing.

>>95384235
>Busiek
??
Aside from giving Stern and Shooter the idea for Jean's return I don't think Busiek has ever written X-men.

>>95384332
>Morrison didn't start this trend. Casey's run opened with a cover that screamed "love triangle".

There's a very good chance that was co-ordinated between them. Before them, the very idea of Logan and Jean had been dead for over a decade, outside of AU things like Age of Apocalypse.

>Also, in Claremont's run, Jean and Logan would make out every time they found themselves alone in a room, regardless of Scott.

Claremont may have WANTED to get them together, but he never got as far with it as you think he did.

There are a few times Logan grabbed Jean from out of nowhere and kissed her, the only time I remember her choosing to kiss him back then was in one of the Genosha stories where a slave-collar is blocking his powers and she thinks he's dying. That was about 1990. It was dead for around a decade after that.

> Ultimate X-Men had Jean losing her virginity to Logan a few issues in.Morrison just did what every other X-Men writer was already doing.

Millar's Ultimate X-Men got to that issue almost around the exact same time Casey and Morrison started. Maybe they were all inspired by the first movie.

>>95384567

I think he means Layton, who actually wrote the early X-Factor issues.

People who hate Jean being brought back blame Busiek as if it was entirely his idea, but Marvel was already looking to bring her back, he was just the person who came up with a way to bring her back that Shooter would allow.

>>95382644
>>95382605
>>95382578
I really disliked the retcons Morrison did to Emma's backstory.

Her breaking out of an asylum and then going homeless until she used her telepathy to make money and join the Hellfire Club worked well enough as it was.

>>95384631
>tfw Hugh Jackman indirectly made Jean Grey a terrible character in the comics.

>>95384722

from one of the late Gen X issues (which werent very good), I remember Frost's company was mainly about finances, and she made her fortune using her power in unethical ways, as in, creating a panic to make people sell stocks and bonds. Stuff like that.
The best backstory would have been Shaw finding her young, and using her as a weapon to make money manipulating the markets imo.

Also, there is an evil mutant sister of Emma (Cordelia), that hasnt been seen since the 90s. That has potential if some writer ever remembers that and wants to use it.

You know, I'm actually interested to see what Jean would be like without Cyke and Logan.
Not interested enough to buy it, of course.

>>95384722

It got worse. Morrison just dismissed her villain career with her blaming her actions on the drugs she was using, but later writers like Fraction tried to retcon her into never really being a villain at all, Shaw just tricked and manipulated her, all she ever wanted to do was teach.

>>95385057

If only it could be "without the Phoenix" as well, it could really be interesting.

Between this and Xavier coming back, if Marvel were to have the two of them reject and repudiate the last 15+ years of X-Men history, and the entire direction of the Scott/Emma era, we could be in for interesting times and hilarious fan-rage.

>>95385057
>You know, I'm actually interested to see what Jean would be like without Cyke and Logan.

Boring as usual.

>>95385239
We already have a non-Phoenix Jean, the only unique thing about bringing her back is she's the Phoenix. Otherwise it's just another generic telepath.

>>95384235
>but it wasnt completely out of character if you look at the mess that was Scott leaving Maddie and their son, and not telling Jean he was married with a son all of Busiek's run.

Ah, X-Factor haters, so disdainful of the book that they don't even realize that all Busiek did was essentially give a No-Prize solution to bringing Jean back that Marvel decided to run with.

>>95377067
>yes, Emma is locked into being a villain for at least a few years after the shit they did with her

Nah. Being an X-villain is now almost the same thing as being an X-hero these days. Just look at Magneto, Mystique, Sabretooth, etc.

>>95385345
Yep.

Emma is casually hanging out and having drinks with Beast, who is nowadays the representant of the mutantkind.

Not really that villainous.

>>95385129

you are forgetting the 7 years of Generation X. Frost was arguably more villanous in the 00s than in the 90s. And now she is at her most evil ever, allied with Bastion and Miss Sinister, and having killed hundreds or thousands of innocent inhumans.

Imo, by the late 80s when Emma became a New Mutants character instead of an XMen one, she had already changed a lot.

>>95385239
Marvel has already repudiated X-Men from Morrison until Bendis. In Avengers vs X-Men Cyclops was the bad guy, now he is dead. Emma became a villain, and teen Cyclops hates her.
The only things that remain from Morrison are Fantomex and Quentin Quire. Even Beast isnt a cat anymore.

>>95385345

Magneto hasnt been a villain in any way at all since after the Morrison run with the Xorneto retcon. The last time Magneto did something evil must have been the 90s.

>>95385239
>Between this and Xavier coming back, if Marvel were to have the two of them reject and repudiate the last 15+ years of X-Men history, and the entire direction of the Scott/Emma era, we could be in for interesting times and hilarious fan-rage.

Eh. Scott/Emma is hardly the thing anyone actually has a problem with in terms of the direction of the X-Men.

Constant threat of extinction, entire generations of characters getting abused or killed off for little to no reason, bland directionless stories that can't commit to a stutus quo for any longer than a year...

I honestly think X-Men, as a franchise, might be too sick to live at this point.

>>95385433
But he killed the Red Skull. That made him just as bad!

>>95385390
>you are forgetting the 7 years of Generation X.

Gen X Emma wasn't a villain anymore, but I don't think there was really a push to say she was never a villain. The death of the Hellions that she was effectively unable to stop really pushed her towards being a more protective teacher.

>>95385433

Does anything in the House of M reality count?

If not, it's the last pre-Morrison story, when Magneto was preparing to lead Genosha to war on the entire world, and crucified Xavier, but in a PG way, tying him to a cross instead of using nails.

>>95385568
>Magneto was preparing to lead Genosha to war on the entire world

Man, thank god Morrison destroyed THAT particular status quo before anyone could do anything interesting with it.

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>>95374444
The amount of cheap drama Adult Jean can produce is limited by Logan still being dead.

>>95385641
But OML isn't dead, so it just becomes Grampa Fetish Wolverine vs. Scott anyway.

>>95385641
>>95385696


just wait for little Scott to experience through Psychic Rapport how riding Jimmy Hudson's cock feels.

>>95385599

Just remembering it makes me feel like he robbed us of a big event story that could have been a lot of fun.

>>95385696
And X-Men Blue already has a Jean/Scott/Wolverine going on.

Her writers just can't help themselves.

>>95385734

Marvel will always find writers who prefer writing cuckold-fetish degeneracy to trying to write any of their classic romances as being a stable, loving and happy couple.

>>95385751
Seriously. Magneto as the President/King of Mutant Israel? There's YEARS of stories in that.

So much so that the idea of Mutant Israel just got given to the X-Men themselves after they moved to California.

>>95374210
TWO SPIDER-MANS!
TWO CAPTAIN AMERICAS!
TWO IRON MANS!
TWO BEASTS!
TWO ICEMANS!
TWO CYCLOPSS!
TWO HULKS!
TWO THORS!
AND NOW...FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE LAST TIME THIS HAPPENED...TWO JEAN GREYS!

Marvel, House of We Don't Know What the Fuck to do so Let's Just Make Two of Everyone and Hope We Figure it Out So--I mean Ideas!

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Warren Ellis invented modern Emma Frost. Morrison took Emma's personality directly from pic related, and after that it continued that way forever on.

I am happy about the real Jean coming back but I am worried about many things
-cheap love triangle drama
-Jean becoming an Avenger
-Phoenix lore being ruinned
-Phoenix becoming much weaker so it can be in a team book

>>95385734

delete this before they do it

this is anime level of fucked up shit

>>95380917
that couple is trash regardless of Scott's current state

>>95386196
>-Jean becoming an Avenger
Didn't Bendis push for that back in New Avengers
...
...
...maybe that's why he hated Morrison so much.

>>95381320

>X-Men books do Age of Apocalypse story where everyone is different because the timeline was changed.
>Jean and Logan are a couple like Wolverine fans have wanted for years.
>By the 2nd issue of Logan's book, Jean is written out of the story, which focuses on Logan fighting the Reavers instead.
>Jean shows up in the book Cyclops is in, so she can be tempted to maybe cheat on Logan.

For all the hype and excitement over AoA 'finally' giving fans the chance to see Jean and Logan together, they did very little with them.

>>95382918
I miss this Logan and love non crazy girlfriend Emma

>>95387221
Indeed. Earth X Logan/Jean is such a great metaphor for how that plot relationship is a dead end.

>>95374210
I prefer wolverine stay dead desu senpai

>>95384988
Didn't bane just get the fuckawesome jacket and none of the other bullshit?
He came out of films pretty good.

>>95382868

VROOOOM

>>95387721
I'd prefer the other five wolverines to die and get the only good one back.

>>95388832

First we have to get to the part where the Wolverine we thought was the real Wolverine is revealed as an evil imposter who destroys an entire city to ruin Wolverine's name forever. Then we get the real Logan back, with guns and long hair.

>>95387482
And they were great

>>95388832
>good
>Wolverine

Wait, such a thing exists?

>>95389120
Yes. Wolverine is the x-man with the best stories and the most character development.

kys cykefag

>>95385057

The biggest problem with Jean is that her entire character revolves around those two and pheonix, and has no stories besides DP that are a testament of why we should like her. Even Jubilee got more character development than her over the years.

>>95377613
omg another fucking spiderman like character. how fucking many are there currently

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>>95389120
He exists back when Claremont was writing him.

>>95389497
That is Spider-man, MJ, and their kid.

>>95389336
Fuck you bigot icemans story is the best.

>>95389456
They're gonna have Jean be promiscuous huh, since Cyke and Logan are dead and sleeping around is character development these days.

>>95390494

Taking Ultimate sue's "Man in every port" as her mission statement

>>95390606
and since this Jean isn't the Jean that was married to Scott, she'll find out that Scott mentally cheated on her so when he does come back from the dead Jean will cockblock Scott. Bravo Marvel

>>95374210
The only good thing about Jean Grey is porn and even that is not THAT good.

Who's kinkier in bed, Emma or Jean?

>>95391208

if jean was any good, she would have a marriage now, maybe she would be even alive

>>95380917
The relationship on its own is shit. Logan deserves better.

>>95377290
>Which I get with Peter Parker: Spectacular Spiderman and a bit of Miles
Is this bait?

For a while I've wanted them to bring her back with Scott, Charles and Logan in tow just to give the x-franchise a soft reboot. It won't happen but I think it's their best bet if they played it right.

>>95393469
The likely scenario is when they bring back Scott, Jean will learn all the shitty things Scott has done ( this is pre marriage Jean right?) and will avoid Scott like the plague like how 05 Jean is avoiding Scott.

>>95386033
>left out two Scarlet Spiders

>>95393469
This, but that's giving current marvel too much credit.

>>95394227

Do we have to? Kaine is his super hero name and real name.

>>95374210
I, for one, gladly welcome our returning redheaded omnipotent cosmic psychic overlord

>>95393564
Time displaced Jean likes Scott though

>>95394511
Isn't she fugging around because she wants to fight destiny n shiiet.

>>95374210
People don't turn gay themselves anon, that's why she is back.

>>95374444
>But why? Also since Scott's dead she'll be sleeping around and when Scott is eventually brought back it's gonna bring cheap drama.

Why ask a question and then IMMEDIATELY provide the answer?

>>95377177
>It is like bringing Goku after his story is told.
... which is exactly what happened?

Like, shit, two or three times

>>95380917
Lol you don't understand how deep people who like Cyclops self-insert into the character. It's pretty sad, as I'm sure the responses to this post have proved. I haven't read them yet, but I already know it's some lame-ass whining like their lame-ass whining insert character.

>>95385807
>my happy marriage

Fuck you, scottfag.

The X-Men should be nothing but 20-somethings in tumultuous, teasing/anticipatory, and/or on-again-off-again relationships.

Go masturbate about TAS Cyclops and let's keep the weaksauce away from the comics.

>>95394708
It's awful man, just gonna hurt both the characters.