Are there any adult themed cartoons that just deal with crippling

HBO's Spawn sort of sometimes? Really niche request there bud

>>95373546
I mean poverty and crime go hand-in-hand

That show that was on FX with Justin Long.

Those shows are usually gritty and depressing and don't have much mass appeal. "The Oblongs" comes to mind, since the entire hook of the show was that it was about ugly people in poverty. It didn't go over well.

"Just stop being poor" is a retarded, fantastical message, but people like the idea of hard work pulling you out of a bad situation, so most shows will have that as their theme. Underdog works hard, succeeds.

>>95373530
The PJs

>>95373530
The oblongs some what

Bob's Burgers deals with them barely scraping by in a few episodes.

>>95373530
Ed Edd and Eddy?

>>95373530
Ich Right now working on a comic on how socialism ruined Venezuela, a country that is blessed with giant oil reserves.
I might be able to release it in a year if I don't get murderd for food or starve to death

F is for Family. The most of the plot is the scraping by, deeciding which bills to pay

>>95374211
>blessed with oil reserves

Your fucked up government didn't help, but it was crashing oil prices and over-reliance on a single portion of their market that fucked them over so bad. In the last 5 years crude has fallen over 50% in price.

>>95374211
You mean corruption,socialism is great.

The Simpsons.

>>95374433
Name me one successful attermpt at socialism

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Beyond the Ooblongs, I can't think of any cartoons that really talk about poverty.

I know Hey Arnold had some episodes about poverty, and I know that Miraculous was originally going to talk about Frenchy poverty before the all the political commentary got gutted by their government's animation funding distributor.

>>95374480
Every Nordic country

>>95374480
Name one successful attempt at capitalism.

I assume you mean a 100% socialistic government, right? So 100% capitalism working great please. Because I can point to many socialist government programs that work great.

>>95374552
They're more mixed economies though. They generally have capitalist systems, but they've also got robust social safety nets to offset some of the hurt that capitalism can cause.

>>95374807
Yes, but to capitalism the Nordic model is the same as cold war era Soviet Union.

>>95374289
This. They aren't extremely poor but economics plays a huge role in the show.

>>95374840
You mean retarded americans.

>>95374895
That's what I said, right?

>>95374895
>retarded americans
Don't be redundant.

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>>95374552
You are posting from a device capable of accessing nearly all human knowledge. There's no excuse to be this misinformed

>>95374480
Yugoslavia

>>95374756
The united states was prior to the 20th century. It also had one if the fastest advancing economies at the time. But hey i guess you would rather wait in the bread lines in venezuala

>>95375659
>The united states was prior to the 20th century. It also had one if the fastest advancing economies at the time.

Which is easy when you don't care about the wellbeing of you're employees.

>>95375511
Thank you unsourced meme for changing my opinion

>>95375849
Google the quote you lazy fuck.

>>95374552
Every Nordic country abides by free market capitalism. Even education and healthcare is mostly run by vouchers.
>>95374756
>I assume you mean a 100% socialistic government, right?
How the fuck would a government be 50% socialist? Either you seize the means of production or you don't

>>95374552
>>95375511

Why the fuck do americans confuse "capitalism with social programs" with socialism? Is education really that shitty over there?

>>95377004
>Is education really that shitty over there?
My guess is that only rich people can afford having one

>>95377004
>Is education really that shitty over there
Yes

>>95377004
It's because Americans are told that anything that is less than trying to be the purest form of capitalism is communist.

>>95377004

Not lying it was a deliberate attempt to paint all infrastructure, social programs, regulation, safety net, community responsbility etc. as "socialist" by the government including the CIA. It was a direct reaction to the Cold War. The recession was one consequence. It was a deliberate attempt to miseducate and mislead Americans into thinking programs every country including the U.S. has were "socialist" in hopes to try a totally hands off system which like actual socialism has never functioned anywhere. It gets continued by people like the Kochs whose goal is to depressed wages so they can pay their top level engineers a few pennies today, have them living in some hovels, and dispose of them when they're used up since it means more money for the investor class if none of the actual innovators get any money.

I've been to places in the U.S. where rich people complain about the goverment having police or building roads, they want private armies and private helicopters for the few who could afford it instead and don't see how there could be any negative consequences. But they were and are purposely misled. They really think having police makes their country socialist.

>>95373530
Simpsons does sometimes, Oblongs, Bob's Burgers.

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>>95377229
>I've been to places in the U.S. where rich people complain about the goverment having police or building roads, they want private armies and private helicopters for the few who could afford it instead
That's horrifying, sounds like US is one big mistake away from becoming a new Brazil. Wait a minute aren't private armies already legal in the US?

>>95373530
>>95373575
Unsupervised.

>>95373530
There's no way he survives midterms. Everyone fucking hates him. Republicans are all Trump people now and all Trump does is make fun of him, and Democrats hate him because he's a fucking Randroid who loves to see poor people die of preventable illness. Either he's gonna get primaried or he's gonna lose to that union guy.

>>95377642
Mercenary agencies like Blackwater. But why would rich people need to pay for an army of mercs to invade and take over a country for their resources when they can petition their government to do it for them on the tax payers dime.

>>95377642
Friendly reminder that Blackwater mercenaries killed American citizens during Katrina.

>>95374552
Nordic countries are just examples of successful capitalist nations, sweetheart

>>95374807
>They're more mixed economies though
This is also a meme. Nordic countries are 0% socialist. Socialism is the abolishment of capitalism and private property.

That's like mixing oil and water.

>>95377642
No militias are independent and cab wage war. The best rich people can get is security people who can't legally act as enforcers or executioners. Super rich people tend to be no smarter than normal people they just lucked the fuck out most times. They also get away with tax evasion because politians made easy.

>>95377860
Oh you mean a modern day United Fruit Company?

>>95377918
>85% of the population is part of the labor union
>universal healthcare
>partnerships between unions, companies and the government
>51% tax rates
>30% of population work for the government
Yeah buddy "capitalism" working great.

>>95378000
Those are all capitalist systems

>>95378013
None of those are capitalist systems

>>95378000
It's still not even 1% socialism until private property has been abolished. Go read a book, nincompoop.

I always find it really weird how mad people get if you suggest socialism or even just increasing welfare programs and boosting up labor's power to negotiate. Like, you can say "we should try socialism because it seems like capitalism is struggling to make ends meet" and people will hear it as "I want to fuck you, your mother, your father, your dog, and even the squirrel on your front lawn in the ass and mouth." Like, geez, calm down. I understand rich people getting that mad but I'll see poor people going off in a blind fury if you go "man we should all have guaranteed housing/healthcare/et cetera"

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>>95378040
Tax paid government social safety nets are literally the cornerstone of neoliberal democratic capitalism you fucking mouth breather.

Even the US has these for fucks sake, just not that extreme of a level.

>>95378043
>using socialist policies isn't socialism

>>95378013
nice fucking motte and bailey there mate.

If all that is capitalism, then what the hell are cabinet republicans campaigning for in Washington?

>>95378065
You better hop in your timemachine and tell President Harding that unions are actually capitalism.

>>95378072
Those aren't socialist policies.

Any actual socialist would be laughing their ass off at your right now. I'm not a socialist myself but at least I know what socialism is, and it isn't tax paid government programs.

>>95378079
Making sure poor people stay poor. It's class warfare.

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>>95378102
>>95378079
>>95378072
CNN TOLD ME SOCIALISM IS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR MORE STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>95378102
Regulating capitalism is part of capitalism.

>>95378113
>democratic socialism isn't real socialism

>>95378177
Regulated capitalism isn't real capitalism, just like democratic socialism isn't real socialism

>>95378113
Eh, it's not socialism per se, but they're good starts. They shift the Overton Window to the left and let people see they can actually get something out of their government, and work up to finally giving workers ownership of the means of production. So while I'm not gonna pretend Jeremy Corbyn is the harbinger of full Communism now, I like him and hope he does well, and I wish the same for any other left-leaning party in any country.

>>95378204
The problem is liberals taking credit for the "goods of socialism" by bragging about high-quality capitalist western nations. It's just hilarious.

>>95378227
>high-quality capitalist western nations.
High-quality democratic socialist western nations.

>>95377229
I unironically grew up in a rich suburb. Of course, my family was living well beyond their means to have access to good schools.
Very few people actually think like this, don't deluded yourself with /pol/ bullshit.

>>95378182
Here's a fun little game to decide if a country is socialist or not:

1. Do the workers own the means of production?
2. Are factories and other means of producing labor owned by the public?

If you said no to any of these, this country is 0% socialist.

Feel free to save my post and use it for future reference.

>>95378248
You can keep saying they're socialist but they aren't.

>>95378248
I'm sorry, I must have missed when Sweden nationalised all of its industry.

Redistribution =/= Socialism

>>95373530
not really the poorest, but mission hill.
>sorry, were all out of malt liquor and bugles.
>how about malt liquor and tooth paste

>>95378248
>Norway makes trillions of dollars off of oil
>this is somehow a socialist country

>>95378227
The real issue is that democrats are hypocrites. I fucking despise sjws because they are always pampered college girls who've never worked in their life. So instead of trying to focus on helping the poor -a majority who happen to be minorities- they insfead focus on trivial bullshit. The US has a growing proverity issue that seems to be conviently swept away under bullshit identity politics.

>>95378270
>>95378281
They are self described as democratic socialism, why would they lie? Oh, I forgot it's only socialism when it doesn't work. Just like when capitalism failed for Haiti it wasn't real capitalism

>>95378410
I'm a self described millionaire but that doesn't make it true.

>>95378470
Yeah, but you're just some fagot online not a successful socialist country

>>95378482
There are millions of faggots online but not a single successful socialist country.

>>95378410
Bring up any example of a working socialist nation. The issue is, you think Nordic countries are socialist even though they aren't.

So actually fucking name a single working socialist nation.

>>95378492
Except of all the Nordic countries

>>95378321
maybe if you only pay attention to the internet

>>95378509
Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden

>>95378513
>>95378522
Why are we still listing capitalist nations?

>>95378513
>>95378522
See>>95378261

>>95378526
Those are democratic socialist countries.

>>95378548
Nope. They are capitalist countries with strong social safety nets.

Labor is still owned by private companies

>having welfare and universal healthcare means you're a socialist country

American "education" at it's finest.

>>95378519
Perhaps it depends news I'm reading but poverty never gets addressed.

>>95378410
>They are self-described as democratic socialism

No they're not, first of all a nation "self describing" as anything is a stupid notion. Secondly none of the Nordic countries describe themselves as socialist in any way, their major left-wing parties are all called the Social Democrats (and Social Democracy is very different from Democratic Socialism) but the other half of their political spectrum are all liberal/conservative parties.

>>95378548
"Socialism is when the government taxes their citizens more and uses it for social programs"

- Carl Marks

>>95378582
>news I'm reading

Yes, the news you are reading is mostly sensationalist bullshit you see on the internet.

>>95378201
A system that does not critically look within itself will inevitably fail.

>>95374513
>I know that Miraculous was originally going to talk about Frenchy poverty before the all the political commentary got gutted by their government's animation funding distributor.

That's interesting. The show is so ridiculously peppy and upbeat; hard to imagine it would have addressed the hardships of poverty.

>>95378548
>>95378593
"if u have taxes u are a gommunist :DDDD"

-garl margs :DDDDDD

>>95378600
Other than local papers it's all sensationalized bullshit.

Reminder that taxation is literal theft

>>95378593
When that money is given back to the people in the form of universal income, it is.

>>95378571
It's mainly American liberals who look at Nordic countries and say "SEE! THEY MAKE SOCIALISM WORK!"

Even though they have no idea what socialism is.

>>95378633
Nope. As long as private companies own the means of production, it's capitalism.

Try again, maybe you'll convince a retard.

>>95374200
The only poor people in EEnE were the Kankers. The rest are varying degrees of suburban lower middle class.

>>95373530
No, because cartoon authors don't want you to sympathize with white appalachian trailer trash on economic grounds.
That could be dangerous to their liberal racial-division politics, the notion that what really matters is not your inborn sinful white male traits but your economic upbringing.

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>>95378639
Not just them, the other side also screams "SOCIALISM!" when people mention higher taxes and universal healthcare.

>>95373530

The only programme I can think of is Shameless, in that they always struggle but never really get out of their poorness situation.

But for cartoons, nothing comes to mind

>>95378653
But that's wrong.

>>95378571
Gotta love the love the Evangelical Christians in this country have for the poor. Nevermind that Jesus himself fed the poor for free, "FUCK YOU IF YOU CAN'T WORK AND PRODUCE WEALTH FOR THE UPPER CLASS, YOU DON'T DESERVE TO LIVE."

first-world country my ass

>>95378685
Prove it.

>>95378628
That's because you think 4chan is a legitimate source of news.

>>95378685
It is literally the dictionary definition of Socialism.

>>95378678
Then they're both wrong.

>>95378685
My Little Liberal Learns That His Favorite Nordic Countries Have Been Capitalist This Entire Time

>>95378639
Are Americans stupid or something? Serious question. Why would Europe's bulwark against socialism for 80 years be socialist?

>>95378571
Nobody in America likes welfare. Not even the people on welfare like being on welfare. They're just trying to survive long enough to get out the system, but you have libtards wanting to keep the poor on the system because of their misguided beliefs.

>>95378784
>Nobody in America likes welfare
You haven't been here. Many people here FUCKING LOVE welfare.

>>95378784
That's so sad. How come the richest nation on earth have to treat their own people this way?

>>95378695
Jesus also made a pretty clear distinction between the materialism you're talking about and actual charity, but it's hard to know that when you're treating bible passages out of their context like the average fundamentalist baptist.
Protip, when Jesus talks about Love he's not talking about the non-commitant passive acceptance of sin you've been brought up to think it means.

>>95378810
Niggers abuse the welfare we do give them.

>>95378810
Because they were told that welfare is communism

>>95378810
>their own people
Ah, you've hit upon the problem right there.
Same reason the welfare state is eroding in the Nordic countries.

>>95378810
Because most Americans will never consider themselves poor, just temporarily embarrassed millionaires

>>95378000

Capitalism just means that there are capital owners and people who work for them, who are paid by the capital owners. If that was all there is, we would soon have either a totalitarian state consisting of a select few wealthy individuals or a workers revolt. E.g without (non-corrupt) unions, working conditions would get so bad that a revolt would become inevitable at some point.

So those systems you mentioned actually keep capitalism alive. Pure capitalism cannot sustain itself on a large scale while pure socialism is also only feasible for small groups of people, maybe small cities, but not countries. To uphold either of those systems, you have to have some institutions coming from the other system.

>>95378855
No it isn't.

>>95378859
How did this happen? Will people be blaming irresponsible cold war propaganda in 2100 too? You can't just hold on to wartime values forever.

>>95378769
No, they are democratic socialist countries

>>95378907
You can keep saying it but it's still not true.

Same way I keep saying I'm a millionaire.

>>95378802
That's only because they were taught to believe government is the unseen benevolent force that can guide them into prosperity. Blame libtards like Bernie Sanders, DeBlasio, and Costal City liberal for spouting this meme.

>>95378782
It's worse, American Liberals want to make the US more like Europe and only sees the surface.

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>>95378881
>No it isn't.
It very much is. To maintain the welfare state you need about 85%+ employment rates for the population partaking of the system and nowadays over 57% of the welfare in for example Sweden are going to immigrant households from population groups with sub-40% employment rates after 20+ years in the country.
It's why their nationalist SocDem party has skyrocketed from nothing to polling as the second largest party in just about no time at all.

>>95378924
Europe isn't a political entity.

>>95378881
It's not Cold War propaganda that made Americans think this way. Yeoman entrepreneurialism and the constant ambition for greatness has been an integral part of the American character from the beginning, read Alexis de Tocqueville's Democracy in America.

>>95378942
>To maintain the welfare state you need about 85%+ employment rates for the population partaking of the system

No you don't. Those are outdated numbers that weren't accurate to begin with.

>It's why their nationalist SocDem party has skyrocketed from nothing to polling as the second largest party in just about no time at all.

There are many reasons for that, the least being that the average voter understands what makes a welfare state function. You've been fed propaganda.

>>95378907
>democratic socialist
Social Democrats.
The founders of those movements actually hated Marxists, so called democratic socialists, and purged them from their ranks nearly 100 years ago labeling them Bolshevik/Soviet agitators and thus deemed them little better than traitors for most of their existence.

>>95378947
Liberals don't know that. They unironically think Europe is a left wing paradise. Same goes for Canada. Thats why many of them will move to Canada to mooch off the welfare system.

>>95379005
They don't even actually move to Canada. They threaten to, take a vacation there, realize it's just like the US except with less jobs and things to do, then go back to the US and never go back to Canada again.

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>>95379005
>They unironically think Europe is a left wing paradise

I do believe the most successful nations of Europe as a general rule lean more left than right, going by your archaic and simplified understandings of politics.

>>95378995
>No you don't. Those are outdated numbers that weren't accurate to begin with.
They're numbers that have been known for ages and are as accurate today as they were when they were first formulated.
It's why Norway and Denmark for instance can go out and say very accurately that specific population groups are a net drain on the state's finances and how much they saved by cutting immigration and welfare for said groups.
>There are many reasons for that, the least being that the average voter understands what makes a welfare state function.
The major reason for their skyrocketing is the very obvious failures of the welfare state, particularly the noticeable crash of the police (entire regions with barely any police presence) and healthcare system. (with doctors going out and admitting it's only a matter of time until people start dying in the waiting queues)

>>95378923
Yeah, but you just keep saying that countries that implement socialist policies aren't real socialist policies just because it works.

>>95379053
Most succesful European states became succesful under very exclusivist regimes like the Social Democrats of old who were big into eugenics and protectionism from foreign companies and workers.

>>95379087
Those aren't socialist policies.

Socialist policies are things like abolishing capitalism and giving the means of production to the workers

State welfare programs and universal healthcare are not socialist programs. Unless you want to argue that the US is somehow a socialist country because even the US has tons of tax paid government social programs.

>discussing politics on 4chan like you're actually experts
Loving every laugh

>>95379087
How dense can you be? Here, I'll make it real simple for you:

High taxes and generous welfare states =/= Socialism

Strict regulation of business =/= Socialism

Government ownership of business = Socialism

And conversely:

Free markets =/= Capitalism

Austere government =/= Capitalism

Private ownership of business = Capitalism

>>95379067
You don't know what you're talking about.

1. Work efficiency or even the amount of work done by a single worker is constantly changing, so your numbers are meaningless.

2. There has never been a collapsed welfare state, despite the situation being much, much more dire in the past.

3. Your constant complaints about immigrants shows that you have an agenda beyond protecting the welfare state, which casts your every allegation in question. It's more eloquent than spamming "CUK" but ultimately the same thing.

>>95379053
I assume that the successful nations of Europe leaning left only works if there's a solid voting bloc and traditions in place. American Liberals don't have that because they've burned bridges with the middle class just to appeal to immigrants and gays

>>95379087
Social safety nets are capitalist systems. They are used to prevent the capitalist nation from collapsing in on itself. Social safety nets help private companies in the long run because poor people can't buy new iPhones after all.

Private corporations pay taxes to the government which are then used to help the lower classes so they can still buy things from private corporations.

This is a capitalist system that doesn't aim to fix the class problem, but RELIES on the class problem. These nordic countries still have a class structure.

>>95379112
But they are. The redistribution of wealth through taxes is in the definition of democratic socialism.

>>95379193
Only in the Idiot's Dictionary.

>>95379193
>Taxes are a social construct

>>95379211
Just because you don't like the truth doesn't make it a lie. That's crazy talk anon.

>>95378729
I don't come on 4chan for news, that's retarded. Most of the major sites are all mindless drivel and opinion pieces masquerading as news. then there's godawful shit like the 8 year old kid who was almost hung to death but horrid 14 year olds

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>>95379193
This should help.

Save this and use it as your fucking wallpaper you brainlet.

>>95378828
everyone abuses that shit because it's set up for abuse.

>>95379155
>1. Work efficiency or even the amount of work done by a single worker is constantly changing
Does just about nothing for the amount taxed as company efficiency is not an effective political argument for higher corporate taxes in practice, nor the amount paid to nurses and doctors as their unions are restrained by laws against striking in those sectors.
>2. There has never been a collapsed welfare state
There are several in Eastern Europe that are welfare states in name-only thanks to ex-Communist corruption.
>despite the situation being much, much more dire in the past.
The situation has never been as dire as having large leeching populations living off the back of the people who are both propping up and ultimately in charge of the very existence of the welfare system.
The Nordic welfare systems had almost no effective opposition for the last hundred years, now there are parties who are genuinely arguing in favor of dismantling it, and even those who claim other social democrat reforms like the strong workers rights must be dismantled to allow immigrants an easier way into the job market. (i.e. they want a slave class of labourers who can be fired at will and to cut the current wages in half)
>3. Your constant complaints about immigrants shows that you have an agenda beyond protecting the welfare state
In short, you consider the factual statement that immigration is destroying the welfare states in the Nordic countries to be a thoughtcrime in and of itself.
Neck yourself you Neoliberal fuckwit.

>>95379306
According to World Life Expectancy, a research group which uses sources such as WHO, World Bank, UNESCO, CIA the total number of men and women who have dead from malnutrition in 2014 is 3,933.

If it's so easy to abuse, then how come people are starving to death on the streets? And why are there so many homeless people?

>>95379325
>not an effective political argument for higher corporate taxes in practice

Which I didn't make.

>now there are parties who are genuinely arguing in favor of dismantling it

None of the relevant ones, ofc.

>In short, you consider the factual statement that immigration is destroying the welfare states in the Nordic countries to be a thoughtcrime in and of itself.

Nope.

I'm sorry to have led you on for so long, I knew you were wrong from the start. I just felt like proving it to everyone else in this thread.

>>95379305
But a lot of companies are owned by the public sector in Nordic countries? You seem to be stuck on a mutually exclusive mentality where in if 100% of the economy isn't run by the government then the socialist policies don't count

>>95379375
I am laughing so fucking hard right now.

>>95379375
So is the US socialist too?

>>95379375
Every single capitalist nation has social safety nets and welfare. That doesn't mean they're socialist countries. Nordic countries are capitalist neoliberal social democracies. Bernie Sanders lied to you. It's not socialism that's working. It's capitalism.

>>95379475
Bernie clearly knows this, but he also knows he can't explain it to the likes of >>95379375

>>95379370
>Which I didn't make.
Then what point are you pretending you made?
Efficiency doesn't account whatsoever for the inherent costs of the welfare systems as it's about redistribution of available government resources, not how efficiently a job is performed.
>None of the relevant ones, ofc.
Currently the big growing party in Sweden are hardcore Libertarians who are more ideologically crazed than the American Libertarian party whose party leader is on the record of wanting 40 million immigrants (compared with Sweden's 9 million population) and has supported every deregulation of the job market put forward this last century.
>I knew you were wrong from the start.
In other words, you can't argue worth a damn and are attempting to play it off as if you were just pretending to be retarded.

>>95379370
Because most of them are mentally ill people. Poor families abuse welfare more than anyone else because the more children you pop out the more you get. This tends to lead to systematical abuse. It happens in Massachusetts just as much as it happens in Mississippi, regardless of race. It's also compounded by how hard it is to leave such situations, (poor education, no alternative options, etc) compared to how easy it is to just get food stamps.

>>95379428
It has socialist policies yeah. Just not enough.

>>95379155
>>95379370
>reddit spacing

>>95379516
Mentally ill people need the most care. Literally a pill away from being a perfectly functional citizens.

>>95379523
Those aren't socialist policies.

>>95379537
Yeah they are.

>>95379523
Socialism isn't a spectrum. It's pretty binary. I already gave you a flow chart for this. Please consult it you buffoon. >>95379305

>>95379555
But that flow chart is wrong.

>>95379552
No they aren't you blithering idiot. I refuse to believe I'm not being trolled right now. You can't actually be this dense.

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>>95379571
>>95379552
>>95379523
>>95379375
>you will never be this retarded

>>95379571
If private companies still own the means of production, it's 0% socialist.

>>95379535
>Mentally ill people need the most care. Literally a pill away from being a perfectly functional citizens.
Blame Reagan. Also, I wish it were that simple. Unless you force these people to take pills, they will stop doing it and regress. It's not all of them but a lot of homeless who are mentally ill choose to stay that way and/or are hardcore substance abusers. Then there are the lazy 20 year old fucks begging for money while being perfectly able down the street from me.

>>95379632
Ignoring the problem is never a solution. If they're begging at 20 there's clearly an issue present.

We're going to have to wrangle with socialist subsystems like universal healthcare eventually when automation starts kicking up in a big way (within our life time). Otherwise we're just leaving people to starve or wasting the time of citizens to churn out products of lesser quality. It's time to stop worshipping the idea of labour for the sake of labour because there simply wont be enough to go around. We need to start thinking about this stuff sooner rather than later or else we'll get a bunch of shitty and tyrannical band-aid systems made primarily to control and placate. Like it or not: The market will move towards cheaper and more efficient workers, we need to ensure our governments are prepared to look after their citizens when this happens.

>>95379673
Universal healthcare isn't a socialist subsystem. It's a government system that relies on taxes from private corporations and citizens.

>>95379577
Just because you say something isn't true doesn't make the world conform to your views.
>>95379604
Again you are operating on an all or nothing mentality where in unless something doesn't fit your narrowly defined version of socialism it isn't really socialism and any socialist policies aren't actually socialist policies.

>>95379661
No they are a bunch of shitty hipsters who don't want to look for a job. The problem with homeless people is that there people who are basically able bodied but want to get free money. The problem is telling the people with genuine problems from fake people and I live in a rather wealthy area, so you see more freeloaders.

>>95379673
>automation
The new snake oil for the people who bought that "the old generation is going to retire soon" line they fed you twenty years ago.
No one talking about the dangers of automation has even followed a single ICRA conference or has the slightest understanding of the legal, ethical and technological issues of deploying trained ANNs on human beings when we cannot debug them.

>>95379778
The threat of automation isn't just about robots taking jobs. Automation in the form self check out has killed cashier jobs

>>95379828
the bigger issue is data entry and mid-level positions.

>>95379828
The vast majority of work that can be automatized cost-effectively has been.
The big names are all working on safe robotics now, so that they can remove the need for cages in factories which is more about saving money on potential factory layouts and insurance.

>dedicated propaganda labels public welfare and government regulation policy as socialism
>people begin to use socialism as a term to describe public welfare and government regulation
>once a successful system is built that utilizes an increased regulatory government to provide an increased welfare state people argue against using socialism as the term to describe said policys
Do you see the problem here anons?

>>95379933
Yeah but there are still ways that automation is going to fuck people over in ways a lot of people don't realize. Look at how hard car dealerships are fighting tooth and nail to stop Teslas direct sales model because they're afraid that the big car companies will follow suit.

>>95379933
>The vast majority of work that can be automatized cost-effectively has been.
lol

>>95373530

Not necessarily "crippling" poverty, but As Told by Ginger clearly revolves around a lower class family and Daria goes into class issues when she starts dating Tom.

>>95374513
>Miraculous was originally going to talk about Frenchy poverty before the all the political commentary got gutted by their government's animation funding distributor.
I didn't know about this.
I would love to see some of the original scripts.

>>95377004
American education is almost as bad as australian.

The everything is socialist stuff comes from the cold war though.

>>95377892
can confirm. As well as foreign special forces from israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAIoA24mZsA

>>95374552
Even if they were socialist, sitting on top of all that oil would make any economic system work.

>>95380045
>successful system is built that utilizes an increased regulatory government to provide an increased welfare state
Yeah, the problem is you live in a fantasy.

>>95380437
Yes, it's a shame that countries with an 8th of our GPD makes it work.

>>95380501
the real redpill is realizing they work because they are homogeneous and dont have a group of niggers leeching off of the system

>>95380651
But I was told Sweden was an African nation.

>>95378695
>>95378814
the bible also said he who does not work should not eat. I am all for feeding the cripples and shit but some niggers have been on welfare for generations and generations

>>95380695
it will be in 10 or 15 years because whites are not having babies and they keep flying in millions of shit skins every year

>>95380651
The true redpill is realizing the Nordic countries are a set up by (((globalists))) to trick other nations into killing their economies with socialism

>>95380400
it needs actual restructuring.

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>>95380651
lol I'm gonna vote every socialist or social democrat I can find just to piss you off, you fucking loser. I will enjoy watching people like you do mental gymnastics to pretend that having good social programs is bad and we need to go back to giving 99% of our money to pseudo-aristocratic idiots because you have a 3% chance of becoming one if you get lucky.

>>95378259
>I unironically grew up in a rich suburb
I'm trying to think of someone growing up somewhere ironically

>>95380651
They work because it's an effective system.

The US is fucked up because heaping all of your resources into a smaller and smaller fraction of the population is no where near as good as spreading it around. There are diminishing returns on these things, take education expenditures for example. If you take 90% of your money for education and throw it at 10% of the population, while leaving the remaining 90% to get by on 10% of the money, that doesn't actually help you that much. After a certain point the fraction that is getting all the money is already getting a good education and all that extra money is wasted on more and more frivolous things. Meanwhile, the majority are stuck with absolute shit, and all of those people end up struggling to deal with things that even a little bit of extra money could resolve, but they're left to fend for themselves because the US thinks that if you're not in the upper crust then you're worthless.

A nation that writes off most of its people as undeserving is doomed to fail. Nordic countries succeed because they don't just declare that vast swaths of the population don't deserve the benefits of living in a modern nation-state. You might focus on the idea that establishing a floor for treatment of all the nation's people enables some number of moochers, but you're missing the forest for the trees. Yes, that's a price to be paid with a welfare state, but it's vastly outweighed by the overall benefits.

>>95382314
> talking about the government controlling how much of the society's resources goes to each person
And yet you leftists wonder why people dismiss you as marxists.

>>95378571
As someone who grew up dirt poor on welfare. I think it's absolutely necessary. My old man worked hard and got us out of poverty. If only 1 in 5 people on welfare are using it the right way, I'd say it's still necessary to provide it.

>>95378063
>I'll see poor people going off in a blind fury if you go

I know poor people on assistance who rage at their existence even though it's the only thing keeping them alive. They've been systematically brainwashed by rich people into thinking that they should get screwed and they're so stupid they buy into it. Usually they have no idea how anything works and vote against programs that help them survive with the vague idea they'll keep getting help, it will only be taken away from everybody else. Education is non-existent in the U.S.

>>95383570
>marxists
>this is what burgers actually believe

You don't have to be a lefist to think that you shouldn't be sucking up all the money from your country and handing it to a tiny handful of rich people so they can eat so much they explode or have heart attacks and snort coke off of their child prostitutes while the rest of the economy and society completely collapses around them. The couple billionaires are already investing in bunkers overseas for when your country totally falls apart and keeps you distracted with identity politics bullshit hoping you'll kill each other and never know the cause of the problem. Thinking that's retarded isn't "leftist" it's just normal for most of the world. Only burgers think a few rich assholes stealing and wasting all the money in a country is a bad thing. Adults understand that a society needs maintenance to actually work.

>>95383898
>Education is non-existent in the U.S.
This. There's not a whole lot a teacher can do with eight hours a day spread around 30+ kids. Especially when parents just said 'fuck it' to raising them at some point in the eighties.

>>95384058
>>95383898
Jesus christ, and these retards why they lost the election. Somehow, getting jewed out of less money by the government has been turned into GETTING money from the government. And somehow being forced to pay 50% of my income to a parasite is actually liberating and don't forget to blame rich people for your inability to pursue a trade or any sort of career. No, it's all those ebil rich people's fault that I'm a fucking idiot with no fucking drive and I need the government to take money from other people so it can support me instead.

And you wonder why no one votes for you except for retarded children and other parasites.

>>95379632
>>95379661
>>95379752
It's not PC to say this but the mentally ill should be forcibly confined to mental hospitals again. Sorry. Sometimes people cannot help themselves. Of how about this: why not just give the mentally ill the option of being put into a mental hospital that puts them to work every day doing everything they can in exchange for treatment? In America, the physically and mentally severely disabled have no choice but to die. SO maybe they should have an option to work as much and as hard as they can in exchange for a meager subsistence. It would make them productive, keep them off of the streets, and save a ton of money monetizing such people instead of wasting a ton of money on social breakdown and prison costs.

>>95384288

All this projecting.

I was born weathy and I can guarantee you've had your tax dollars siphoned off and given to me and mine for your entire life. You probably don't even understand how crony capitalism works.

Thanks for your money, chump.

>>95384058
Anyone who has any actual experience with the real world knows that 10% of the people do 90% of the work. The best, most efficient system is the one that gets the most resources to the people who are the most productive. Capitalism has proven that it is the best system that humanity has ever devised when it comes to making sure that the productive people aren't held back by unproductives sucking up the nation's money and giving nothing back. What has socialism produced? All you need to do is look at Venezuela or North Korea to see what happens when the left gets its way.

>>95384380
Crony capitalism relies on government intervention, regulation, and taxation. It isn't capitalism, it's socialism masquerading as capitalism in and attempt to slander capitalism and justify a move even further to the left.

>>95384380
>See, my anecdotal evidence proves you wrong. HA

It's not projecting, the liberal mindset has somehow drawn the conclusion that having to pay less money to the government is somehow giving it to someone else. The fact that you tried to sell your autism through a bullshit lie just makes you look dumber. Bernie shit believes the rich dodge income tax when most don't even have income because they get their money through capital gains. The idiot wanted to tax stock transactions at .5%, which basically destroys the marigin, not to mention destroying countless retirement portfolios because 401ks are maintained as stock. Your entire group has the most retarded set of beliefs fueled by pure jealousy and childishness and the sad ting is that you genuinely believe all of it. Yeah, glad your side has practically been pushed out of politics here in the US because you are a cancer that needs to be purged

>>95384380
>reddit spacing

Go back

>>95384319
Government doesn't exist to solve your problems. It exists to guarantee private property rights, enforce the law, and defend the nation from its enemies. There is nothing more dangerous than someone who honestly thinks that they're "helping" you. Selfish people can be trusted to behave selfishly, it's people who engage in utopian fantasies that behave like retarded children and fuck up everything.

>>95384455
>Anyone who has any actual experience with the real world knows that 10% of the people do 90% of the work.

If this were actually true, only 10% of people would even be employed. Businesses don't hire people for charity. They do it because they need to. And do you really believe that people like Jared Kushner work so much harder than everybody else so they deserve having nearly all the money? The time when you were at the top because you had needed skills, like a doctor, is long past. Today your only ticket into control of a vast majority of the world's resources is to be born into the Waltons. Or to be good at directing money your way, including through illegal means, along with a hell of a lot of luck. You don't go into STEM to get the big bucks, you get born rich or take your chances knowing the right people or luck out while in investment banking, there's no money in innovation and inventing things and making scientific discoveries. Doing all of those things today only makes money for other people.

But it doesn't matter, people here aren't taking about socialism at all. The Nordic countries, Germany, the UK, Canada, none of those are socialist countries. Regulation and social services are not socialist. All of these countries are capitialist. And captialism has only ever worked when you make it work because it's not magic, just a neutral process. Even the U.S. only makes it work with regulation and social services and infrastructure. You have no examples of unregulated captialism because it could never work. The only examples of that are places in Africa where the government has completely broken down and we see that that quickly turns into rule by warlord as they kill the people with the money and resources and take it for themselves. I don't see why "we should have regulations and infrastructure" is even an argument anymore.

>>95384717
>Government doesn't exist to solve your problems. It exists to guarantee private property rights

Why should it even reinforce private property rights if it shouldn't help with things like roads, water, making sure companies don't lie to you and sell you things that are hazardous to your health and pollute your town, and so forth, then? Why should you be able to own land? If you live in the U.S. you probably got it by force from the natives, so it's just as morally advisable for others to take it back by force as it is for you to hold it. I mean, why are you "roads are theft" fags arbitrarily drawing the line there?

>>95384767
You're operating off the foolish and narcissistic premise that you know what someone deserves in proportion to their effort or what you perceive to be effort in the first place. Running a business is more difficult than doing a monotonous task on an assembly line and is an everyday job instead of a 9-5. It's also not about being stupid and only placing value towards physical labor in an era of high automation and paying no heed to requirements or desires of the people who own and run the business.

And those services are quite socialist because some people are paying more and receiving less or nothing out of it in comparison to some people who are paying nothing at all. That's why they're considered socialist. You people attempt to paint it a different way so you can escape the moniker but reality will not change

>>95378113
>>95378261
>being this ignorant and brainwashed
wew

>>95384907
Words mean things and socialism means workers owning the means of production. That is it. Not government providing any services, all governments provide services but every government on earth is not "socialist." I have no idea where you're getting all these other arguments from. I didn't say anything about physical labor or factories. I said that if only 10% of the people did actual work like you said, then businesses wouldn't need to ever hire all these employees in the first place. People hire employees because they must need people to work, not because they just think it would be fun. So there must be work that needs to be done, or 90% of the "worthless" population would be fired tomorrow with no negative consequences to the only 10% of people who are actually worth anything, in your estimation.

>>95384879
Because private property rights are the basis of literally everything that you're using to bitch about private property. Without it, you wouldn't have electricity, you wouldn't have running water, you wouldn't have food. If you want to look at what a society without private property looks like, just look at the cesspool that Venezuela has become. That is what the left is trying to turn us into.

>>95384879
> BAAAAW MUH INJUNS
The indians are exactly what you get when you have a society without private property. You get a bunch of ignorant subhumans who completely fail to make any use of a whole fucking continent worth of resources. And as soon as they were swept aside and people who actually respected the concept of private property moved in to replace them, what did you get? In just a few centuries America became the single richest, most powerful nation in human history. The indians had been here for thousands of years and what did they build? Fuck nothing. That's the difference that private property makes. People who don't respect private property are a waste of space who should be cleared away to make room for people who are actually productive.

>>95374513
...I know Hey Arnold had some episodes about poverty, and I know that Miraculous was originally going to talk about Frenchy poverty before the all the political commentary got gutted by their government's animation funding distributor.

Source?

>>95384497
>it's socialism because government is involved!
kek, it's more like the other way around.
>>95385301
>Natives were held back because they couldn't figure out property rights; you know, the rights that the Europeans settlers didn't respect for the natives!
Jesus Christ, pick up an 6th grade history and geography book and learn about geographical isolation and the slave trade triangle.

>>95385695
> Bu-bububu muh slavery!
Oh, you mean that thing where nogs were selling other nogs, but of course it was all whitey's fault?

MTV's underground comes to mind but it's more of a facet of the characters rather than a focal point of the show.

>>95378571
Mexa here
let me tell all of you that even here the Randist thinking is a growing cancer
I'm not commie but recently in one circle of old friends(twentyyearsatleast) was a small cism cos some ones believe and exclaim in a party
"The industrials, High profile and academic degree people must be the only ones to have Suffrage Right because they are the true motor of society and acknowledge of the vast sea of ideas and morals"
They expect support from some of the more olds but it wasn't
And I'm talking about people who are
HR administrators
Senior Engineers
Or Deans

>>95373530

Simpsons

S3 Jerry lives in lower middle class poverty

The avatar series I guess, with the original Gaang being broke as shit for the most part, and Mako and Bolin literally joining gangs to survive.

>>95386091
>Red herring
We get it! You're from /pol/!

>>95384455
>What has socialism produced?
First dual rotor helicopter, first single rotor helicopter, first man in space, first woman in space, first orbital satilite, first maser, first orbital to sub-orbital laser communication, first lung transplant...
Fucking retards.
>>95386406
>Randist thinking is a growing cancer
It didn't start with Rand. This competition based philosophy is as old as the human animal. It always boils down to 'I got mine fuck you' and everything else is just theatre. Either you believe society benefits from helping out those members who can't help themselves or you don't.

>>95377004
>Is education really that shitty over there?
Everything from high school down is basically just daycare, almost everything in college and university is just a very expensive daycare. The education system is a complete fucking meme made specifically to trick lower income folk into getting a loan and giving all the money to the school, leaving them all the cash with none of the dept.

>>95385301
>fail to make any use of a whole fucking continent worth of resources.
Well I mean except for agriculture and government and they mostly only died because Europeans were so fucking germy. And you killed and raped their women and children and stole the land they had farmed for centuries, no millennia, and destroyed their Confederacy. I can actually get behind Libertarianism but you have to give land in the United States back to the natives first. Otherwise you're just a bunch of leeches and parasites yourself who are full of shit.