I always see cliche rip offs of Elvis, kiss or the Beatles. But

>>95370265

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceegjER8cgM

Do you seriously think Nirvana were anywhere near the same level of fame and popularity that The Beatles and Elvis were?

>>95370265
Arthur parodied one of their songs of all things in an episode about hearing loss, the song itself had nothing to do with hearing loss it was about a pop quiz.

>>95370265
nirvana weren't really that big, kid

source: old guy

>>95370591
>nirvana weren't really that big
>on every magazine cover for a decade

>>95370603
Yeah, starting from the year Kurt shot himself.

>>95370661
nah, though that gave it a huge bump. Smells Like Teen Spirit was THE single for a decade

>>95370711
Maybe in the US. The rest of the world dropped pills and went on to RAVE.
Whereas Elvis and the Beatles truly were internationally recognized.

>>95370895
>internationally
Elvis is seen like a joke in a lot of countries based on the period where he got fat.

>>95370477
uh...yeah?

>>95370920
Doesn't change the fact that in his heyday he made girls moist by simply appearing somewhere. When he arrived in Germany with the forces they were fainting because of vaginal dehydration.

>>95370936
On what planet do you live on that Nirvana ever rivaled the fucking Beatles?

>>95370955
Revolver

>>95370949
R-really?

god I fucking hate cobain

at least he killed himself before staley, weiland, and cornell

at least vedder is still alive

too bad stapp is also

>>95372291
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMRHQ7HTWYc

>>95370955
On Earth in the early 90s. Sorry it was before your time

>>95374138
It won't be long, he's attempted like five times now

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>>95370265
I can't think of any on an ongoing basis, but there are homages/parodies.

>>95370591
http://popdirt.com/is-elvis-the-best-selling-artist-of-all-time/36244/
>In mid-2006, top place was taken by Nirvana’s Kurt Cobain after the sale of his song catalogue, but Presley reclaimed the top spot in 2007.

>>95370955
Must be a generational thing. Nirvana is about as iconic as the Beatles are currently, so if a younger person is judging the popularity of them and they're being guided by how well modern culture still appreciates the bands it would seem like the two were comparable.

It's obviously dumb since Nirvana had a sliver of the fame the Beatles had, and they had it for about a minute, but if someone's using the modern influence the bands still have as a way to judge how popular they were, you can see why they'd think that.

>>95370477
When was the last time a rock band was a cultural phenomenon?

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>>95370265
Because a band that was a part of a lesser known America only sub genre that was only kind of sort of listened by people who angrily refused to humor pop is not exactly a cultural phenomenon.

Nirvana will forever be those other guys who played some shit for a couple years while boy bands and rap were fucking huge and everywhere on everything.

This is like trying to praise early influential ska bands or swing bands. Nobody cares because at the time next to nobody cared.

>>95375545
Clueless: The Post

>>95375002
Nirvana is not and will never be as iconic as the Beatles.

The only thing going for them is that they perfectly represent the shitty angst ridden 90's really well when someone wants to make fun of how fucking stupid 90's people were.

>>95374138
>at least vedder is still alive
you have shit taste anon

>>95370265
American 90's grunge was only ever played in the UK for about an hour at 3am. And then that stopped by 95 or so.

Nothing about them is international. They are cult at best if anyone outside of the US has even heard of them.

>>95375627
keep projecting

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>>95375311
The last time a band completely redefined the popular rock landscape was probably Korn starting the nu-metal boom which reigned for like a decade

However, they were nowhere near as big of a "cultural phenomenon" as Nirvana was, rock and metal since then has basically just been generic emo and "core" stuff ever since with no real single bands standing out, rap and pop pretty much took over as the dominant form of "young people" music

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>>95370265
>It's another Amerifats don't understand people in other countries never heard of their favorite obscure shit episode again

>>95375682
Yet Korn has appeared in more shows and has been parodied more often and referenced than Nirvana.

Even Linkin Park gets more popularity

>>95375692
>>95375647
>>95375545

What drugs are you faggots on?

I'm not American, and what you're saying is absolute horseshit. I don't think you were even alive in 1991.

>>95370265
Because the 90's was the era of the boyband.

Any influence a grunge band had was drowned out in the waves of pop sensations like Nsync, Backstreet Boys, New Kids on the Block, Boys 2 Men, 98 degrees....And all the Disney pop idols like Brittany Spears etc.

Underneath all of that shit which dominated the decade, any bands are shoved down to the level of footnote at nest.

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>>95375917
Unfortunately its this. The 90's were the decade of massive growing popularity of rap and artificial pop bands.

Tupac and Biggie Smalls deaths are forever remembered as tragic losses of game changing artists that forever altered the landscape of music and culture as we know it. Kurt dying was just sort of a ..."okay he's dead, meh" No one really gave a shit because Nirvana was not the same level of cultural influence that Tupac reached. Which is still not the same level that Beatles and Elvis reached.

I think more people cared when Brittany Spears lost her shit and became a trainwreck.

>>95375778
Try looking at it again without the deluded fanboy goggles. Nirvana was never that popular and is not well remembered.

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>>95376112

>>95370591
Bullshit!

>>95370265
Every stoner guitar playing type character you've ever seen in a cartoon or TV show has pretty much been indirectly based off of Kurt. Think Totally Kyle from The Amanda Show.

>>95370265
How many stories can one make from
>Oh I'm so depressed, I'm playing a guitar and crying
guy anyway?

He would be fucking awful in any comic or cartoon

>>95375611
Nirvana is much more iconic that beatles ever were. Nobody listens to beatles anymore, while nirvana lives forever

>>95375647
>>95375692
>>95375917
>>95376112
Underage faggots detected

>>95376951
Pretty much this desu

>>95376112
>Tupac and Biggie Smalls deaths are forever remembered as tragic losses of game changing artists that forever altered the landscape of music and culture as we know it.

Literally nobnody knows who Tupac is in my country. Literally anybody born in the 90s knows who Cobain is.

You really have no idea how big grunge was internationally. Hip Hop is an exceedingly american phenomenon and only really took off internationally in the 00s, while Nirvana was already world famous years before

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>>95370265
since the conversation is more or less tarted less talk about obscure or non cliche music/muscician reference in comics and cartoons,i really liked Succulentus from ok ko,the linkin park/korn reference was kinda cool

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I think it has to do with Kurdt killing himself and his songs often dealing with depressing things. The Beatles and Elvis are more iconic worldwide and are perhaps more appropriate to parody for younger audiences.

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>>95370265
you're old

>>95377039
Let's not be silly anon.

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KISS Army

>>95375917
>>95376112
Pop like BSB and N*Sync was largely a late 90s (end of the decade) and early 00s thing

Their peak was the 00s, rap really blew up for suburban white folk with Eminem which once again, end of the decade/00s was really the explosion of that stuff, which in the rock world, nu-metal was the competing factor, bands like Korn, Limp Bizkit, and Linkin Park

Nirvana was the biggest thing in rock for the earlier part of the 90s, along with their fellow Seattle underlings, pretty much up until Kurt blew his brains all over the wall

>>95374923
>It won't be long

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29w1FYiHL8Y

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>>95370265
Alice in Chains is better anon.

>>95370477
No one is saying they're better, just that they're popular. Are you saying Nirvana isn't popular? I guarantee more people under 50 listen to Nirvana then Elvis.

>>95370661
THIS

>>95379720
this

>>95370711
Not even close. Only rock nerds even knew that song existed. Pearl Jam was WAY bigger. Hootie and the Blowfish was bigger. Alanis Morrisette was bigger. Ace of Base was bigger. There are DOZENS of forgotten 90s bands that outsold Nirvana several times over. Green Day was the REAL biggest and most influential band of the 90s.

>>95370936
you are not living in reality

stop believing media revisionism

>>95374971
over 90% of nirvana's sales are from AFTER he committed suicide

during their time pearl jam sold TWICE as much and they're completely forgotten

that's how totally irrelevant nirvana were and still would be if cobain had lived

>>95375545
THIS IS THE TRUEST THING IN THE THREAD

>>95378491
>Nirvana was the biggest thing in rock for the earlier part of the 90s

and yet pearl jam sold WAY better, as did metallica

>>95377039
nirvana is a rare example of a "classic rock" band that is more popular with young people than it ever was with older people

they just weren't that big back in the day

>>95377178
>Hip Hop is an exceedingly american phenomenon

And yet it's the highest selling genre in existence. Rock sales IMPLODED in the 90s.

>>95378491
>rap really blew up for suburban white folk with Eminem which once again, end of the decade/00s was really the explosion of that stuff

Rap was responsible for 70% of ALL music sales in the 90s. Dre and Snoop made rap the biggest genre. It outsold rock MANY times over throughout the entire decade.

>>95380043
Metallica, GN'R, and Pantera were pretty much oddities though...exceptions to the rule of the old guard of rock and metal being completely wiped out by the grunge style, but they were still very much representing what was left of the 80's

As for Pearl Jam, interesting if that's true, but Pearl Jam is still huge today, they were the least edgy of all the grunge bands so it kind of makes sense....they were never as dark as AIC or Nirvana.

>>95380148
Maybe, honestly it's hard for me to even think of things in those terms of overall music, it's easy to compare metal to grunge in terms of sales or something like that....grunge and rap? Doesn't really seem like much of a relevant debate anyway since they are so far removed from one another.

Though without seeing statistics, I can't help but feel like Metallica's Black Album HAD to outsell The Chronic or Doggystyle in the 90s

I literally just saw a Nirvana parody on Phineous and Ferb or however you spell it, they go to Seattle and an obvious rip off of their songs starts playing

>>95379720
I like you. You have good opinions.

>>95380043
Metallica was a lesser known "other guys" in the genre until the 00's anyway.

>>95379720
not incorrect.

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>>95379895
Basically this. Nirvana is some sacred cow of the annoying rock nerds that spend half their day debating and arguing over what band is labeled what kind of -Core. Death Core, Metal Core, Thrash Core.......

With Nirvana being some super holy crafter of a subgenre that can never be approached by anyone, meanwhile the rest of the human race sees a relatively mediocre whatever band from the 90's that was not even as good or remotely as successful as their contemporaries Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, or Stone Temple Pilots.

People just remember them as some super amazing fucking thing because Kurt died and that made some kind of special rock martyr out of him.

If Kurt Cobain never died nobody would give a shit about him or grunge.

>>95381749
>Metallica was a lesser known "other guys" in the genre until the 00's anyway.

What? Metallica were at the peak of their popularity in the early 90's, they were arguably the biggest "underground" band in the 80's and they blew up with the Black Album.
I'm starting to think the people ITT are just rap guys who don't have a clue about rock, let alone heavy metal.

>>95381877
dubs don't lie

>>95370265
All that matters is that the artist's of today (besides Bieber) will not be remembered.

>>95375311
Red hot chili peppers, maybe?
Not really sure, people have shit taste now, so, Justin bieber might be a thing.

I want American music to be better. Like it was in the 70s - 90s (grunge and post grunge)

How do we get it back?

>>95383810
Oh yeah, and ska punk as well.

>>95383810
Post grunge is still going strong, Nickelback is one of the biggest bands in the world still

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>>95385917
>Nickelback is one of the biggest bands in the world still

I find that hard to believe.

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>>95370265
>But never Nirvana

No one gave a shit about Nirvana until Cobain was murdered. They were just another rock band in a sea of rock bands.

>>95385953
>I find that hard to believe.

Why? Nickelback is huge, they might be a pop culture punchline but that has done nothing to deter the masses from loving their generic post grunge crap.

Appealing to the lowest common denominator is a good way to get fucking rich as hell, imagine that! It's the MCU formula pal, the more bland and generic you are the more the everyman will love you

>>95386116
That's why every single 80s band who absolutely hates Nirvana credits them single handedly with ending their careers....because they want to give them good press!

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>>95386116
>No one gave a shit about Nirvana until Cobain was murdered.

>murdered

>>95387683
>He doesn't know

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>>95387785

>>95387785

Oh, I know.

I know it's a conspiracy theory perpetuated by those who just really need another reason to hate Courtney Love, like one is really needed.

Like it's that hard to believe a bipolar heroin addict with a history of suicidal tendencies would kill himself.

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>>95387930
>it's a conspiracy theory

>>95378367
>Dashie dressed like Gene
Somehow that seems so fitting, two egomaniacs

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>>95379895
>Pearl Jam was WAY bigger. Hootie and the Blowfish was bigger. Alanis Morrisette was bigger. Ace of Base was bigger.

>>95388134
At the time? He's absolutely right.

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>>95387985

>watched Soaked in Bleach once
>also jet fuel can't melt steel beams, check out this film called "Loose Change," it'll blow ur mind

>>95370265
>Is there any cartoons who have a character based of Kurt,Krist or Dave?

Arseface in Preacher.

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>>95388219
>Soaked in Bleach

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>>95387930
>Not realizing Courtney Love was paid off to stay quiet about what really happened

>>95388161
>>95388134
He is right and wrong

Yes, more pop acts were "bigger" than Nirvana in the sense that they sold more records....but they were less influential or regarded in high status, but that is completely irrelevant outside of an autistic view of history

"Bigger" culturally doesn't mean sold more records, it just means bigger in record sales, not from a cultural standpoint in the music scene

>le wrong generation, the thread

>>95389124
>anyone with a knowledge of music before the last five years is le wrong generation fag

Or...you're just stupid and insecure about your absolute lack of knowledge of music history. Which is more likely? Go listen to your Lil Yachty or whatever, baby boy.

>>95375311
it's all pop now. Rock has gone underground again and is better for it.

>>95370661
"shot himself" that nigga was murdered by his whore wife

>>95370936
As much as I hate to say this, and I REALLY hate to say it, but if 90's music is gonna be remembered for anything it's gonna be Pop, boy bands, and Linkin Park, Nirvana revitalized a small piece of the rock n roll genre with Grunge, and help lead to multiple new bands and sub-genre's but that's about it, they were more of a catalyst than anything else.

Where as Linkin Park no matter how utterly shitty the road turned out to be had a much bigger impact on that generation, and the presence of shit like Britney Spears, NSync, and the backstreet boys is an undeniable force, no matter how much we try to deny it...

I purposely chose to completely leave on rap out of this because, well, when you can prove it's actually music we'll talk

>>95370265
I once had a stupid idea for a comic one-shot with Cobain. It was a fun idea on paper..

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>>95389683
You forgot the group that truly mattered.

>>95389876
by god I would berry my dick in every single one

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What about these guys?

>>95381968

Because the only two genres are rap and rock..

>>95376112
At least you got a couple of Yous.

>>95383810

Grunge wasn't even that good, but Post-Grunge?

For what purpose?

>>95389683
>Nirvana revitalized a small piece of the rock n roll genre with Grunge

Soundgarden also did that.

>>95389961
buncha inbred rednecks

>>95389876
I will never forget them!

Had a poster of them as a kid, poked a hole in the crotches of everyone except Scary spice (cause she scared me) cause I was an idiot kid and thought that would show their underwear.

I think that's the day my father stopped thinking of me as his son...

>>95389961
I wanna lick that dudes unibrow while smacking around the Harry Potter looking one.

Are you happy now anon? You monster.

>>95389683

Linkin Park are not a 90's band.

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>>95370265
that type of adult-centric, parody of pop culture
died off waaay before nirvana was a thing
animation was more mtv/nickelodeon
during the 90s

>>95390250
Oh, shit 2000 debut... Okay, nothing redeemable about the 90's music scene.

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>>95390102
>>95390174

>>95389683
>As much as I hate to say this, and I REALLY hate to say it, but if 90's music is gonna be remembered for anything it's gonna be Pop, boy bands, and Linkin Park,
Once again, the late 90s and early 90s were very different

Linkin Park didn't even come out until the 00s, many people confuse 00s culture with 90s culture, people do the same thing on this board with cartoons too.

>>95389876
Spice Girls weren't known worldwide till like 97/98, the very tail end of the 90s

Lots of people who were kids during the tail end of the 90s seem to have a blurred memory about what occured in the 90s overall, when it was more like the start of the 00's rather than the 90s overall

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>>95390660
>Likes Linkin Park, the sterilized pop boy band version of nu-metal
>Doesn't like 90's Korn, Deftones, Soad, or the first Limp Bizkit (and maybe even second) album from the mid 90s

>>95391095
Actually a huge fan of all of those groups, just meant in terms of what became a prominent source of entertainment to the general public. The light peppy shit won the war, and people with actual talent get the scraps.

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>>95375917
>98 degrees
Jesus Christ. I haven't heard about them since the early 2000s. The chorus from "Una noche" is stuck in my head now oh god make it stop.

>>95391224
I wouldn't say that entirely....what are all the popstars from the late 90s/00s doing now? Most are extinct

Limp Bizkit still tour in the US and do big festivals in Europe, Korn still make music and do well enough, Slipknot are bigger than ever, blah blah blah

Most of the rockers won desu, sure the kids who listen to Lady Gaga don't know who they are, but they still have a fanbase outside of that world, the pop people do not and were replace by Lady Gaga and the like, and hell even Lady Gaga is irrelevant now

That's the problem with being a popstar, here one minute gone the next, no real fanbase because the fans are idiots who only listen to whats current

>>95377282
I too think this is the case

>>95370265
Why rip-off a rip-off?

>>95391732
But they still get more of the attention, which leads to more carbon copies being made, while people who actually know how to write a song and play an instrument get sidelined, which in the long run while the real bands may stick around it's still going to have damaging effects.

>>95375311
Avenged was a pretty big deal for a while.

>>95379720
I personally prefer Pearl jam

>>95383899
>Ska
I like you anon

>>95390050
I like certain post grunge bands. Nothing like Creed, Nickelback, or the Foo Fighters.

>>95383810
And also reggae rock.

>>95392359
Just reminded me Skindred exists.

>>95391995
Rock and metal artists have always existed in their own bubble though, Metallica are one of the biggest most successful bands in the world, they are beyond rich and only get richer every tour and every album....does the pop crowd know anything about them? No, and it really doesn't matter in the end, they ultimately remain relevant and live like superstars while very few pop stars enjoy longevity as an artist even if they get mentioned in the tabloids (usually for embarrassing negative things)

>>95370265
It'll start happening in the next 5-10 years probably, give it some time.

>>95375692
>Nirvana
>obscure

Are you fucking 5 years old? What's with half of this thread not knowing Nirvana or thinking that they're not popular or culturally relevant? Are you all really this socially disconnected? I'm 19 and an Ausfag and everyone by high school knew who they were. What the fuck.

>>95392774
It's a foreigner being insecure and some truly clueless people who just don't know about music before whenever they grew up, is all

>/co/
>Music and Cartoons

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>>95375611
>Get a load of this faggot

What are you, 14?
Look, we get it. You're currently mesmerized by your dad's taste in music and have a few greatest hits albums on your iPhone, but try not to be a total retard about this.
We're talking about popularity. Not who's better.
For the incredibly short period of time (compared to the Beatles) Nirvana was around, they helped greatly shape the perspective of what music was back in the 90s.
Just try not to freak the fuck out and accept that they were a popular band. Faggot.

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>>95377039
>Nobody listens to beatles anymore

>>95387930
>Not realizing an acquaintance of Kurt's confessed to being hired by Courtney to kill him... shortly before he himself died of unnatural causes.

>>95379720
>better
agreed but not more influencial

>>95379895
you are an idiot. look up facts

>people legitimately think Nirvana is more popular than The Beatles
nigga what, The Beatles are so popular that the cover of one of their albums is a national landmark that attracts people from around the fucking world

Most people can't even think of a Nirvana album cover

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>>95370265
Squidward was based off of Kurt Cobain.
>Thinks he's a talented musician but actually sucks.
>Pretentious
>Killed himself

>>95395884
I'm pretty sure people know of Nirvana album covers, they just wouldn't be able to connect them to Nirvana. The yellow smiley face is pretty popular.

Also most people wouldn't be able to name the Nirvana members while almost EVERYONE knows Ringo, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, and Harrison being the often forgotten one. People might be able to get Kurt Cobain, Dave Grohl (who would probably bring up Foo Fighters more than Nirvana) and... that's it.

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Kurt was adorable!

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>>95370265
alternative rock the way we know it wouldn't even exist without dinosaur jr

>>95390985
The last point you make is very true. The 90's music wise was extremely decisive, with several trends starting and dying within a couple of years of each other. Most of the early 90's is bleed over from late 80's movements including grunge.

Not going to tag other posts, but the Beatles were also beat out by another band during their time, The Guess Who. John Lennon dying caused a surge that pushed them past them and near Elvis. Fun Fact even with those sales Randy Bachman still has more sales then Paul thanks to BTO and his solo career on top of the Guess Who.

>>95396869
L to R: Xavier Renegade Angel, Rebecca Sugar's dad, Brian Michael Benis

>>95375709
seriously, korn?

>>95383727
rhcp was a thing?

and justin bieber's not a thing in the same way the beatles were, or kiss, or nirvana, or ... hell, britney spears

bieber's basically become a much more tolerable replacement for chris brown - he has no flavor, no influence, he's just ... there, kinda like rihanna if u took away her Caribbean exoticism, great ass, and weird longevity on the charts - seriously, she's been here since, like, 2003, and a much more powerful name and greater musical talent (relatively) than her then-colleagues, the has-beens britney and christina aguilera, who has a better voice than both of the above, but no personality to it, unlike rihanna, who can at least get the emotion of a song right

britney can dance, christina can belt, and rihanna can emote - bieber can't do none of that

>>95392010
Everyone does but they were barely ever grunge.

>>95389287
good god, i hate lil yachty and all those other goddamn mumble rappers

rap is supposed to be appreciated for its rhythm, flow, and least appreciated, wit and wordplay - but how the hell are u supposed to appreciate any of the flow and rhythm if the crunch of the words has been replaced by the mush of a lil uzi vert? how the hell are u supposed to appreciate the word play if u can only understand 1 out of every 5 words

just listen to this goddamn idiot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9MZJoW0v6A

>>95399075
buddit bump innawhip doe

>>95375311

Nirvana wasnt selling as much albums as metallica or guns even when Kurt was alive, nirvana wasnt a cultural phenomenon, they were not even special among their peers, pearl jam was always the superior band.
the hype about nirvana was created by MTV

>>95399126
the funny thing about nirvana is that they actually are a good band but Cobain was so fucking shit that he dragged the rest of them down

thank god he died and freed them up to do better things

Eminem said it best: "..kids embarrassed their parents still listen to Elvis"

Why the fuck would I, now a 33 year old, give a single solitary fuck about Elvis or the Beatles. If I was going to give a fuck about anyone from my grand parents time it was Chuck Berry, the guy all those hacks copied in the first place.

>>95370955
do you have any idea how many thots walk around in Nirvana shirts

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>>95379720
Janes Addiction was the best band of the 90's

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what are some of the most /co/ bands

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>>95399401
>Jane's Addiction
>Not Pavement

>>95380119
I'm waiting for Rap music to implode honestly. We're like into the 80s hair metal equivalent of rap, but with grills and shitty trap beats. Hopefully the next decade people get a reality check

The Beatles have such a lasting legacy that even zeds still try to act hip by shitting on them. Imagine having that impact, that people over 40 years removed from anything resembling your culture and trends and issues, still think you say something about the world.

>>95395923
Funny story, one of my teachers in high school said he had a question on one of his tests that asked who John, Paul, George, and Ringo were, and he said only 1/3 of the class knew.

Then I'm reminded of when Paul did some music with Kanye and that shitty hashtag on Twitter trended because people apparently people didn't know who fucking Paul McCartney was.

I guess my point is that "relevance" is almost fucking null anymore because these younger generations know jack shit.

>>95380090
>classic
>>95381749
Literally were the band that made more money out of tours in the 90's, and the black album tour alone lasted as much as Nirvana's caraeer. Seriously you are retarded, no one not named Rolling stones or ACDC compared to them in the 90's


Nirvana was never that populart when it comes to selling albums or touring, Nirvana was media hype, the idea nirvana killed the Glam bands is retarded, those bands were dying already in 87 when the sleaze bands like guns and skid row got bigger than the traditional glam bands like motley. Metallica and REM played a bigger role in the changes than fucking nirvana.

>>95399758
>Metallica
>REM
>Glamrock
nigga...

>>95386405


You really don't understand that shit, it was that MTV pushed nirvana as their new golden boys taking airtime from other bands, that's it.
Notice how those bands were depending of VIDEOS to sell albums while other bands didnt, they blame the media Hype.

while megadeth sold a lot during the 90's Mustaine was right about something: MTV didnt want to air a tout le monde becouse they believed it was about suicide and at the same time they honored Kurt as the man of the year after he killed himself, the gamne was rigged in nirvana's favor and other grunge bands suffered that too.

>>95399796
>what is reading comprehension
He's saying Metallica and REM did more to kill glam than Nirvana did

>>95395842

>an acquaintance


kek, el duce.
you are a retard if you take him seriously, he was a troll, also the mentors were better than nirvana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKN29tz0LhM

>>95379720
It is, but it's not as iconic as nirvana.
With that said, drifting bodies is sole desertion

>>95379895
>Only rock nerds even knew that song existed
source? Other than your ass?

>>95379977
You can say that Beatles became legendary, after Lennon died. Fuck off, contrarian. Nirvana was a phenomenon. And they had it harder than Beatles, who were a boysband of the 60s. You could very well say that Backstreet Boys were iconic.

This has been a bad thread.

>>95380043
Not really. Guns n Roses? They did

>>95380090
This is not an argument, because both Elvis and Beatles were popular among teenage girls at their time, than normal people.

>people who prefer Nirvana over Melvins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsFb0CYnnWM

>>95380119
>listening to rap
>ever
only niggers like this shit. IF hh is indeed best selling, than maybe the world deserves muslims to wipe out the civilization. literally, the worst "music" genre ever.

>>95399943
>Nirvana was a phenomenon

they were just an overhyped mtv product that never got the sales of other bands and didnt really sold that many tickets to their shows.

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>>95399970

>>95381877
You will never find a college band to achieve this status ever. Nirvana was the first and the last to do this. Imagine some college shit band suddenly becoming famous. You can't, because it won't happen. And they did it without promotion, marketing, any help whatsoever. They did it on their own. And as much as I love Soundgarden and AIC, their legendary status was cemented after the Grunge craze. Otherwise, they would be remembered as one of the underrated 90s alt-rockers.

>>95399971
>F hh is indeed best selling

is not, it's just an american thing. Rap is a global thing, but in most markets is a niche thing, that's why nigs can't tour in fucking india or peru

>>95399827
We are getting into an interesting discussion, but I'm not prepared to discuss it right now. Nonetheless, these points need to be discussed

>>95400000
>And they did it without promotion, marketing, any help whatsoever


Such a waste of quints. If you think that nirvana did that without heavy promotion you are insana, MTV was the Smell like teen network, they played that shit 10 times a day, fucking underage kids.

>>95370265
When was the last time when cartoon characters were based on Rammstein?

>>95388134
>Hootie and the Blowfish
What?

>>95389876
I remember them real good, but they were different league

>>95389418
Really can't help but wonder when the current pop trend will die down and something else will replace it. It seems like even the plebbiest of plebs are starting to complain about the current style of pop, and it would hardly be the first time a pop-dominated era gave way to something else. Happened in the early 60's, late 70's, late 80's, and arguably early 00's, I don't think it'll last much longer, I mean this current style of pop's been big for almost a solid decade now.

>>95389833
>cobain
>one-shot
clever

>>95389961
>stipe
>with hair
haram. delet this

>>95390069
Soundgarden is more known about people with good-taste, meaning that casuals might not know them well

>>95400000
>And they did it without promotion, marketing, any help whatsoever.
Not exactly true. When they left Sup Pop and signed to DGC there was definite interest in them and the whole scene at the time. They were told they could achieve moderate success and were pared with producer Butch Vig to achieve a more 'mainstream' sound. Of course no one knew how successful they would be, but their label was willing to take a gamble on them. Also as Smells Like Teen Spirit started to become successful, they went full out in promotion and MTV latched on to them like no tomorrow. They were the breakout band for the whole scene and alt rock in general though, and that relied more on Cobain's songwriting than anything else.

>>95391732
I still love Korn. And LB is comfy.

>>95392527
This is something that people don't understand.
Pop artists come and go, while rock artists have dedicated fanbases, which ends with bigger longevity

>>95389961
Why is it that every single thrift store has a copy of Monster in the cd bin?

>>95392981
Or worse. I heard rumors that a lot of comicfags/cartoonfags are in their 40s and posting there. I didn't believe it at first, but after few shooter threads, where fags were mentioning atlgroups uninet, I started to believe in that. It's totally possible that these fags never heard of nirvana, and instead, remember elvis, of all people

>>95395801
It's true. Mostly elitist faggots do
I would know.

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>>95395884
marvel covered Nirvana. They didn't cover Beatles so far, nor Elvis

Nirvana = young kids
Elvis, Beatles = old farts
live with it

>>95396869
Dinosaur Jr was old already in early 80s.
Good taste, but posting obscure stuff is only proving the main point

>>95399000
>rhcp was a thing?
Under a bridge
RHCP is... special. They are not as relevant nor famous, but they are loved by anyone, who cares about music

>>95400145
I still can't believe they used fucking Nirvana for the IP that is most closely associated with 60s and 70s radio hits

Marvel is fucking retarded

>>95399315
underrated

alas, dad rock is trendy right now

>>95399693
>beatles
who? never heard of them. were they the co-writers of "baby?"

>>95399982
>overhyped
says you. you didn't live then. you know shit

>>95399970

grunge is disgusting and the only good thing to come out of it was Melvins

and they're only somewhat related to the genre

>>95400035
>pretending to be old
fuck off. I'm not even american, but I remember Smells being played in disco clubs

>>95400092
They started as a one-hit wonder, but they cemented their career with "Come as you are". Please, don't pretend to be knowledgeable

>>95399758
>Metallica and REM played a bigger role in the changes than fucking nirvana.
I think it's really odd how much REM gets overlooked for killing the glamrock/synthpop wave of the mid-late 80's. Compared to most songs that were playing on the radio from that era, It's the End of the World as We Know It, Orange Crush, and The One I Love stick out like fucking sore thumbs, and Out of Time took off before Nirvana's albums really started to sell. Hell, Nevermind didn't even really sell until almost a year after its release, and was even knocked down a peg by sales of Automatic for the People just a few months later. Of course Nirvana played a big role in that era too, but I always find it odd how many people seem to think that Nirvana blew the doors out of pop and glam rock in the early 90's and opened them for alternative rock, when REM had already accomplished that a few years earlier.

>>95400161

Dinosaur Jr is obscure now?

>>95400008
Not to mention, that in most european countries, people are interested in their home wiggers, rather than american shit. Hip hop did inspire people, but the success of this genre is always limited to the country of origin

>>95400041
Cracked Rear View significantly outsold Nevermind.

>>95400039
...and Rammstein was really relevant
good question

>>95400195
Well, they didn't use yellow submarine, yellow submarine, yellow submarine. Albeit Namor would make more sense

>>95400254
I like D Jr, but I can't name a single album by them, let alone song.

>>95400228
Melvins weren't even grunge. They were sludge

>>95400284

I can and I probably like them less than you.

You're Living All Over Me was a fairly big album.

>>95400235
The praise for Nevermind cemented their status more than any other single.

>>95400261
Never heard that album, but then again, I never bought never mind, and I know that album really good.

>>95400301
I had to google the album, and I recognize it now. Meat Puppets were better, but I admire the fact, that D Jr outlived them all, and that they only cared about music, instead of gimmicks and bullshit.

Anyone likes Mudhoney and Green River?

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>>95392003
When?

>>95400298

Sludge wasn't even a term when Ozma or Gluey Porch Treatments came out, but you're right that they were only related to the scene in the beginning.

They felt more Sabbath influenced punk in the beginning to me. Similar to Iceburn.

>>95400308
At the time, people were wondering what the next single would be. They thought that Kurt would try to top Smells. Instead, he went different route, and released Come As You Are, which could have been the bigger hit, had it been released first. But we will never know. They did have a video for in bloom before Smells, and it wasn't big.

>>95400338
The thing about Melvins is that they are ignorant in terms of labels. If they read what we are writing about them, they would be like "wtf, what are these faggots talking about". They just played the guitar and drums, and didn't care about anything else. Calling melvins grunge is not wrong, it just doesn't give them justice

>>95400377

I agree. Melvins are fucking great and are one of my favorite bands--I don't hear Grunge in their music but they've been associated with the genre in their early days.

Favorite album?

They also gave me Boris.

>>95400344
I remember reading somewhere that their label thought Come As You Are would be a bigger hit than Smells. Pretty interesting stuff the lot of it. Sorry if I came off as a 'know-it-all' before. I just really like this stuff and have read a lot about it but I didn't live through it.

>>95400323
>Meat Puppets
I am astounded by how good Meat Puppets II is. It's such a great album.

>>95400145
You do realize Rocket Raccoon's existence is a reference to a Beatles song right?

>>95400406
>tfw I have the lyrics to 'Plateau' pasted on my door

That song is so comfy for some reason.

>>95400389
>Favorite album?
snivlem

but actually, Houdini, because it had the most memorable riffs

>>95400397
I don't want to reveal my power-level, but smells really was something of miracle. I don't want to describe further, because it would be cringe to read. I'm a european, not american

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>ITT: underagefags acting like they know shit about music

>>95400500
Then why are they covering Nirvana?
Would it be that nevermind is more iconic cover, than some lyrics to a sketch-of-a-song from white album?

>>95400066
>stipe with hair

It once happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQo0cR1onRM

>>95400602
Imitation of hair. Sugar sweet, it tastes good

>>95400593
The most telltale sign is people dismissing older music on the principle that their parents listened to it. Anybody who actually gives that much of a shit about the age of music to the degree that they think putting down old bands because mommy and daddy liked them, instead of just listening to music that they like, sounds so fucking underaged it hurts.

>>95400593
The lack in this thread of Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, David Bowie and Sex Pistols, who all outshined Beatles and Elvis is infuriating

>>95400655
No, just because you like your dad's music, does not mean that it's a good music. The 90s was a culture that was founded on defying the old. Don't act surprised when people, who grew up in that era are defiant to the old fart music. You might like it, but it's still an old fart music

>>95387911
>>95387985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aCgN7KN5po

>>95400692

Okay gramps, 90s is old fart music now.

>>95387994
>Somehow that seems so fitting, two egomaniacs
with foot long tongues

>>95400727
Yeah, and digging up 60s boysbands is the shit now. Wow, worshipping 60s equivalent to Backstreet Boys! How contrarian

>>95400692
Who fucking gives a shit about what my dad listened to? Are you fucking stupid? I like the music that I like, and I don't like the music that I don't like. I don't give two shits about age or who around me liked what, I'm certainly not defending those bands on the principle that my parents liked them. Actively dismissing music in such a manner that your main argument is "my parents liked it so it's bad because it's old" is a really fucking stupid mindset though, and reeks of simple rebellion against parental figures.

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>>95400629
He recently had this crazy gnome beard going on.

>>95400740

You sound genuinely upset my man.

Just listen to the music you like.

>>95400719
I'm so glad someone else remembers this

>>95400752
> everyone hurts sometimes
god it's so true, he was a fucking shakespeare of the human condition

>>95400749
Then stop pretending to know about what is iconic and what isn't. I don't think you ever heard of The Kinks, The Animals, you might have heard that one song by Deep Purple, but that's it. You didn't grow up with it, it's not part your generation, it's not part of your music, and it shouldn't be. Liking it and appreciating is okay, but acting like know-it-all is frustraing

>my parents liked it so it's bad because it's old
this was literally the mindset that gave us Punk Rock, Gothic, Industrial, Thrash/Death/Black. Conforming to the music of your parents generation is the biggest sin a young person can do.

>>95400740

The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as “the greatest or most significant or most influential” rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.

>>95400765
I will. But I enjoy shitting on other people

>>95400236
It's not so much pop and glam that Nirvana blew out but the terrible state of mainstream rock and heavy metal. While it's unfair to say that Nirvana and grunge really killed mainstream rock at the time, the rise of alt-rock massively shook up what was then a rather stagnant music scene.

>>95400309
It's Hootie and Blowfish's first album, and you've probably heard several of the songs off it through various media usage.

>>95399337
I bet they don't even know the Five Precepts of Buddhism.

>>95400789
'Everybody Hurts' is probably #2 on my personal feels songs list--Phil Collins' 'Separate Lives' is third, Eric Clapton's 'Tears in Heaven' is first.

Back to Stipe, I often wonder how many people today are still trying to decipher his lyrics.

>>95400804
> “the greatest or most significant or most influential” rock band
obviously, it's not like they know anything about music. I doubt that even cared to dig up further than 70s. It's okay to appreciate Beatles, but worshipping them is the new level of cuckoldery, especially when there are superior bands.

I don't care about classical music, and I'm not going to pretend to be educated about it.

I dedicate this song to jazz critics, though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiWxrjUuFuU

>>95400792
I feel like you think you're arguing with another poster for some reason. I'm not pretending to know what's iconic and haven't pretended to at any point in this thread. The Kinks are one of my favourite bands from that era and I consider Arthur or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire to be a defining piece of British rock. Furthermore, I'm not arguing for conforming to a generation of music, and I'm certainly not arguing for wanton rebellion against it. Simply liking what you like and disliking what you dislike is all I've stated as an argument, at no point have I acted as a know-it-all and feigned to have in-depth knowledge about older music.

>>95400844
>It's Hootie and Blowfish's first album, and you've probably heard several of the songs off it through various media usage.
Anon, there are certain things that are better to not know.

>>95400868

I don't really know how to respond to someone using the term cuckoldry in regards to music but I will say I do love Naked City.

>>95400853
Stipe got more straightforward with his lyrics later on with his career, but he really is amazing. I like vague lyrics because different people can find different meanings in them.

>>95400893
Then let's agree to disagree

>>95400912

No.

A reminder that McCartney lead the Nirvana reunion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a8j_LEryAs

>>95400904
This is true. His voice is also admirable; it's so simple yet so effective.

>>95400926
Disagree to agree?

>>95400931
how fitting that one douchebag should substitute for anther

>>95400960
Some people say that McCarney is dead

>>95400804
Duke Ellington can be described in many ways, but "not the most famous or best seller" isn't one of them. He was massively popular.

>>95399985
WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T I KNOW ABOUT THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY4PVfyuD0

>>95400979

I see you aren't familiar with Scaruffi.

>>95400947

Yes.

>>95401012
Stop messing with my brain

>tfw nobody is familiar with Liberace
get on my level plebs

>>95401034
>nobody is familiar with Liberace

get real dude

>According to Billy West, one of the voices for the children's cartoon The Ren & Stimpy Show, Kurt Cobain tried to get one of his songs featured in the cartoon, but the song was rejected.

>>95401034
But Liberace is one of the most famous entertainers of 20th Century America, tons of people know him.

>>95401064
And yet, the kids don't even know who he was

>>95401059
And of course we'll never fucking hear which one.

>>95401085
Kids don't know shit, what do you expect? If they're around 20 or older that's a different story, but I doubt most kids even know who Charlie Chaplin is these days.

>>95401118
It's scary to think that you are right.
I mean, there should be standards, and yet, nothing would surprise me.

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Guys, guys, what about our musical Lord and Savior Billy corgin? He helped push rock back into the mainstream after Kurt's passing.

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>>95401161
WANNA GO FOR A RIDE?

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>>95401129
Parents just don't seem interested in showing their kids old shit anymore. You slap them on a smartphone and they're entertained, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but they naturally are drawn towards media that their peers watch, which on the internet more often than not exists in a relative cultural vacuum. You have to actively engage kids in older material for them to be exposed to it these days, and parents are naturally kind of lazy so you don't see much of that anymore now that smartphones and tablets have replaced TV as the kiddie distraction, and TV hardly shows older stuff anyway. Not to mention that with music streaming services you can bury yourself in a world of sound that you like, and not ever be exposed to even really basic older music. Saying nothing of their quality as a band, I doubt most kids would be able to tell you what Aerosmith even is, even though you probably know them regardless of if you like them or not.

It's just the way that the world's changing, what can you do?

>>95401161
He is the Morrison of music. Overrated, has dedicated fanbase, is bald, but was only good, when had an asian and a woman containing his juices

There's good music out right now, you're all just a bunch of whiny babies /co/.

>>95401243
>abe oddyssey
enough of nostalgia for today
please

fuck you, I will search for the old cd in my stash, install this game and play it, while crying and drinking cheap beer

What the hell is with nirvana drummers that they form a band where they sing? Foo Fighters and Before Cars. Really, wtf?

>>95401277
>fuck you, I will search for the old cd in my stash, install this game and play it, while crying and drinking cheap beer

that sounds like a good night to me anon

>>95401225
Investing in a dying wrestling promotion was a mistake.

>>95401348
too bad tomorrow I have to go back to shitty work.
albeit I might call the bass and ask for a day-off
there are thing that are more important in life

>>95401161

No thank you.

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Anyone here like Gerry Rafferty?

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Soo, what about English cartoons? Besides the Beatles or Sex Pistols were bands like Blur parodied in cartoons?

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>>95401698
And or Oasis?

The real question is why doesn't Bach get more pop cultural references than Mozart and Beethoven. Bach made more recognizable music and was more groundbreaking that either and is the composer that musicians from other genres regularly quote as having a big influence on them