So... Nothing happened this season, right? Everyone's pretty

>>95333706
Status quo is king

>>95333706
>Diane and MrPB are happily married
they admitted to one another they are unhappy and Diane sounded like she had all but decided to get divorced

>>95333765
Oh yeah. I guess that's a thing.
I just feel like they dawdled so much about the pointless governor thing when they should have wrapped it up half-way through the season and have that conversation then instead of at the end.

I swear that fucking clown dentist thing was the "retarded Todd idea" that took up the most time of any season

>>95333706
You forgot that we learned Beatrice had a shitty childhood and she took it out on Bojack and her husband.
What a game changer

This season was how everyone else life is shitty and not because of Bojack. At the end of the other season it seems that the poison on everyone life and common denominator is Bojack. He always feel bad how much of a shitty person he is and is aware he brings everyone down. Now in this season all characters are able to have him out of their life for a whole year. Funny thing is that everyone life is shitty and not because of Bojack. Their scapegoat is gone and they have only themselves to blame for their shitty life.

BoJack took control and is not repeating past mistakes what happened. He made heartfelt apologies to Todd and PC, he did PC a solid instead of flipping out over Philbert, Hollyhock is glad to have met him, and he simultaneously got over his hatred of his mom WHILE spitting on the "you were born broken" schtick she gave him during Secretariat. Him actually doing sitcom plots like "prove my daughter's gf is shady" is in a way him living the Horsin' Around life he always wanted, or at least the Gonzo BoJack version of it

Question is if this is lasting or if they give you hope in Even-numbered seasons just to yank it out with downers like S1 and S3

>>95334158
>>95334181
That's all true and what not, but the absence of things (i.e. Bojack's fuck ups) doesn't make for compelling storytelling.

If you want to have a season about how everyone is fucked up, with or without Bojack, that's ok. But make sure something happens anyways.
Have characters DO things instead of just being sad around each other.

>>95334276
In terms of his life, this was a gap year that ended with him setting up a return . He returned to LA after a year of being AWOL, rebuilt his destroyed inner circle, and at the end, landed a job gig with Lenny despite all past screwups. Time was taken to sort out family baggage. Expect to see more of BoJack doing things with his life when he's back on set.

>>95333998
I didn't understand the point of this at all.

>>95333706
>Bojack is back in LA being himself.
>Diane and MrPB are happily married
Did you
I mean did you even watch this season?

>>95334617
You don't have a choice for how you act because the source of trauma can go back generations.
No wait, Bojack is getting better on his own without knowing this.

>>95334617
the point is that Bojack decided to let her be happy rather than try to punish her for making him miserable. She was a shitty person and made his life miserable but he'd done the exact same thing to others. He can't blame her for all his flaws and ignore her own negative influences that made her what she is at the same time. So he forgave her, at least a little and decided she didn't deserve to die miserable, and in turn made the same decision for himself.

>>95333706
>That fucking smile at the end
That got to me.
Anyway, did anyone else feel like the F-bomb just came out of nowhere? I mean, I'm glad I didn't see it coming but I was expecting it to have a bit more of an impact

>>95333998
>What a game changer
No, not really. Like, not at all, really. Pretty damn expected and on par, to be quite honest. The show has almost never portrayed anyone in a completely black and white sort of manner.

>>95334731
No, that was the point of the last scene with her in the shitty dumpster home.
Bojack never knew the details of Beatrice's life and why she acted like she did.
All that stuff was for the audience only and... Nothing came out of it. There's no tension about how we know something everyone doesn't.
It was just a story with no pay off at the end. Not for us and not for the characters

>>95333765
>Diane sounded like she had all but decided to get divorced

But this is Bojack Horseman, so either that won't happen or it'll be resolved in two or three episodes.

>>95334784
>Anyway, did anyone else feel like the F-bomb just came out of nowhere?
What was it again?
I remember it being in the early episodes and thinking "Oh they're saying fuck twice this season"
But then nothing happened

>>95334877
Idk, PC might actually end up taking adoption seriously. So Diane and PB might get a divorce and more than likely Diane will move back in with Bojack (not sure how PB would feel about that, I don't want him to suffer) and just embrace being like Bojack.
As an aside, learning that she was just imagining that cute little cat girl in the future made me sad

>>95334857
Bojack didn't need to know the exact details of why she was so shitty to forgive his own mother and recognize his hypocrisy. Its the audience that needs the exact context to forgive a character

>>95334915
When he was talking about wanting to do a play of Horsin Around in front of his mom to jog here memory and then he would get up in here face and say fuck you.

>>95334915
He said it to Hollyhock when he was planning that horsin around episode at the nursing home. Was going to say it to his mom

>>95333706
>>95333706
PC is in a downward spiral and Bojack is her only hope.
MrPB and Diane now have a gigantic schism in their relationship
Todd is just Todd.
Bojack actually had healthy growth he accepted PCs offer as a way of saying sorry for all the shitty things he did. Todd didn't accept his apology but it was sincere. In his mother's moment of lucidity he told her she was in her lake house on Michigan as opposed to telling her to fuck off which he was very excitied to do. He has a sister and was happy when she told him she wants to have a brother.

Season 4 was great because it felt like a refresh for Bojack. Everyone's problems weren't a result of Bojacks actions like previous seasons. the world grew a lot this season and I liked it.

>>95334857
Actually us knowing about bea' s past means we know she was lying at the end too. She never had ice cream but she was trying to just let bojack tell his story

>>95334945
>Its the audience that needs the exact context to forgive a character
No, not really.
All we needed to know is that Beatrice lived a rough life too. We didn't need two episodes about it. Since she wasn't lucid, there was plenty of opportunity for her to blurt our something about her childhood.
Maybe Bojack overhears it and puts it together and that's why he suddenly forgives her.

This season had shit economy of time.

>>95334731
>but he'd done the exact same thing to others
He always acknowledged this, though; if not through his very obvious self-loathing and sabotage then certainly when we finally get to see his inner monologue in episode 6.

Also, like >>95334727 said, Bojack didn't actually see all of the shit that we did in the flashbacks and whatnot. I actually thought the end of Time's Arrow was kind of inappropriate because from Bojack's perspective nothing has changed and there's no obvious explanation for his sudden attitude change.

Also >>95334787, it feels like the show has succumbed to the shitty modern writing trend of needlessly explaining shit that was already implied and didn't need to be explained. Furthermore, all the flashback stuff felt extremely rushed and glossed over an entire era of cultural history for the sake of squeezing in Jessica Biel engaging in cannibalism and Todd training a bunch of clown dentists.

>>95335015
You really think she went 80+ years of her life and never had icecream?
She never had icecream as a kid, yes, but shit, you think she never "went wild" in the 80s and bought some icecream?

>>95333706
why was PC so resistant to bojack in the first place? just going out of her way to prevent anything with him

>>95333962
>I swear that fucking clown dentist thing was the "retarded Todd idea" that took up the most time of any season
They don't appear before episode 8 or 9

>>95334968
>Todd didn't accept his apology but it was sincere
I feel like Bojack in general has become more sincere this season. I think back to all those canned spiels he'd pull on Dianne, PC, and Charlette, shit like "I KNOW WE WERE MEANT TO BE, I'VE NEVER BEEN MORE SURE OF ANYTHING IN MY LIFE" and cringe. The way he reaches out to Hollyhock, the way he just unloads on his mother feel very real to me, not some regurgitated sitcom shit

>>95335035
>there was plenty of opportunity for her to blurt our something about her childhood.
sure but that's not what they did. they told the story, which had the point of making the audience feel sorry for her. they may have been able to accomplish that in a shorter time frame through a number of other ways but that doesnt make it pointless.

>>95334968

i wouldn't say it was great, the first half beyond Beatrice's story was just sluggish and filled with really awful parts(episode 5 anyone?) i think the political commentary ended up being just as tired and misguided as i feared, but some stuff pulled through.

also i'm really fucking tired of the will-they-wont-they with Diane and Mr PB, their relationship is exactly where it was earlier, they feel love but their relationship is stormy and they don't get each other, Diane getting an abortion doomed them to stagnating and i wish that had been the plot instead.

>>95333706
So why did the post office send the letter from Hollyhock back to Beatrice?
Was Bea like some kind of backup addressee? I don't think I understand the postal system

>>95335057
>I actually thought the end of Time's Arrow was kind of inappropriate because from Bojack's perspective nothing has changed and there's no obvious explanation for his sudden attitude change.
It would have been better if Bojack lashed out at her after Beatrice was lucid enough to recognize him.
Hollyhock nearly dying because of Beatrice should have been unforgivable for him because of what happened with Sarah-Lynn.
Making him think that he had killed another daughter because of his hedonism.
He was mad before and that should have been the final bridge. It was one thing to fuck with him but his "daughter" who he had never had a chance to fuck up?

Even if Bojack is being more sincere, I don't buy that last bit of kindness as it was presented.
It should have had Bojack railing into Beatrice when he thought she was lucid, and have her suddenly recoil and say something like "Daddy, I'm sorry, I won't do it again".
NOW Bojack can stop, feel shitty, and forgive her, at least a little bit.

>>95334857
It adds up to making the whole story sadder. Clearly the show is about feeling bad and looking at life through a depressing lens.

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>Bojack established a relationship with Hollyhock
>Bojack had a tender moment with his mother
>Bojack overall is a less malicious person

>Mr. PB and Diane's marriage is going down the dumpster
>Diane is realizing that she's depressed no matter what

>PC fired Juda
>PC broke up with Ralph
>PC is becoming an alcoholic

>Todd started a relationship with an asexual girl

>still haven't revealed what ever happened to Bojack's father
That's the last remaining part of his family that's not been addressed. Focus for the next season besides TWOOO SCOOOOPPPS hopefully.

>>95335167
Beatrice probably used her address and infos in the adoption papers since Henrieta didn't have an address and Beatrice didn't want the kid to contact her anyway.

>>95335063
All she could describe it as was a generic delicious. And she had been on pretty pills since she was young. Also she was supposed to be with her family and all they would let her have would be a lemon with sugar

>>95333962
I think Todd's antics are at their best when he's just a victim to all the absurd shit that happens to him, as opposed to coming up with some retarded scheme. With the clown dentist thing, it's made worse knowing he's capable of stopping this dumb running joke, but just won't

Who's still angry Bojack killed Sarah Lynn and didn't really pay for it ?

>>95335140
What annoyed me about the PB/Diane storyline is that none of them had any real agency about their relationship problems. Things just happened passively, it seems.

What should have happened, imo, was make it clear that Mr PB was going to win, and then have Diane use her blog to say something that destroys him. And then have them fight about that.
Now you have characters doing things instead of just going along with the ride

>>95335140
I wouldnt be surprised if they get a divorce next season and she tries to fuck Bojack. What if the one season fuck is MrPb to Diane?!

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He smiled.

>>95335210
>>Todd started a relationship with an asexual girl
And a business where you run from rabid dentist clowns and clown dentists

>>95335193
100% agreed, that's pretty much what I was thinking. I'm spitballing but it feels like the only reason they didn't do this was because they were already trying to cram way too much into the episode and wouldn't be able to fit an exchange like that. That's what most of the episodes felt like to me, that they easily could've(and should've) been twice as long as they were.

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>>95334181
>my daughter's gf

>>95335063
She's actually shown having an ice cream pop in episode 2, before her mom slaps it away. I don't think the ice cream part really matters, it's just her forced yet removed reaction to the story that shows she's aware Bojack's lying to her. Her VA did a great job that entire episode.

>>95335226
He's dead.

>>95335246
She went away for sometime during which she got a bachelor's degree and became rebellious.

>>95333706
Honestly, I don't really mind that there wasn't any major changes to the status quo in the end, this is solely because I found the season's narrative to be much more engaging than the last.

One thing I don't understand is why this show tries to be a comedy at all when they're so much better at character drama. The animal gags and the tongue twisters are amusing, but the jokes this season amounted to little more than liberal rhetoric with a sarcastic tone. The scene of the two show hosts in Thoughts and Prayers was the most egregious. The set up was there for how a show funneling celebrity gossip is not an appropriate platform to address a mass shooting but instead they opted for an unrelated dig at "straight white males" because they just had to fit that in somewhere I guess.

>>95335277
It should have happened this season when Diane and Bojack are getting shitfaced together.
She tries to fuck him. Bojack actually says no.
She insists and the "Fuck" this time is actually by Bojack to Diane.

What a lame thing that episode segment was. They get drunk with each other for days and absolutely not character growth between them happens

>>95335167
It was addressed to "henrietta c/o beatrice", which means the letter is for henrietta but being delivered care of beatrice, who is then supposed to deliver it onto henrietta
beatrice probably gave her own contact info instead of henrietta's giving away hollyhock

>>95335272

for me it was that Diane fumed and gritted her teeth at his political decisions which were based entirely on the voters' opinions, and she noticed she held power over that, but instead of actually fucking discussing things with him and get involved in his campaign(that she clearly actually cared about), she decided to stand back and let him fuck up like she had no choice to guide and educate him along the way.

the problem in their relationship is that Diane is lazy and doesn't want to communicate with PB, and expects him to magically know her bullshit, contrived thought process.

also seriously, that fucking gun control episode, it made no sense, it didn't parody anything in particular, it wasn't funny and just wasted runtime.

>>95335335

i honestly agree with you totally, it would have been a giant trial of fire for Bojack too.

>>95333706
Bojack changed his ringtone, you asscrumb.

>>95335253
Todd being a victim of the others selfishness was more realistic than this Tood-Homer character running his clown-doctors and actually making sense with it, I don't get why they decided to turn him into this boring caricature. The asexuality made it worst.

>>95334617
FEELINGS

>>95335412
>The asexuality made it worst.
I fucking hated the preaching they did this season.
I expected some kind of joke or dramatic undercutting with Todd's meetings and shit
But no, they're just the perfect bunch of people who don't have sex. Don't worry, they'll explain it to you that they don't have sex, but they still feel and have romances! Gosh, how could you not know this?

>>95335335
At this point Diane is too much a femBojack that fucking Bojack would mean the point of no return. They work as bitchy friends that shit on everyone and everything but they would destroy each other if they try something more intimate.

>>95335412
There was a great setup to having them show Todd's growth was stunted because Bojack let a (at the time) teenage boy move in to his house and just let him do whatever he wanted and provided unlimited resources to do whatever he wanted with. No attention, no direction, and no motivation. Finally getting out there and away from Bojack to experience life could have had him grow into a real person.

Instead they decided made up bullshit like 'asexuality' which doesn't even gel with his established past would be a better way to go and they've made it impossible to go the character growth away from Bojack arc. Now he's just a wacky super being and just is because.

Is Escape from L.A. still the best episode of the series after this season?

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>>95335456
I don't know why Todd needed to be asexual at all. I was literally never once interested in Todd's romantic exploits or lack thereof. It feels like they needed a character on the special snowflake spectrum and went for the most toothless option for a character who doesn't need to be the mouthpiece for that kind of commentary. Their patting themselves on the back for it by sharing articles on their social media just galvanizes the fact they were trying to tick a progressive box.

>>95335456
I don't get why they mocked politics throught Diane and MrPB but didn't dare the same with Todd and his subplot, I mean celebrities labelling themselves as bi, gay and so is a trend but they just used it to praise the wacky Todd, I just hope they are just planning to make Todd spill spaggheti the final season.

>>95335466
>At this point Diane is too much a femBojack
They wanted us to think this, especially with her drunken cry about how she's broken and she ruins shit.
But the difference between how they handle the two is that Bojack actually fucks shit up.
He doesn't bad things and then bad things happen to him.
Diane just bitches and complains and nothing happens to her.

If they want to highlight Bojack's growth by having him not fuck up majorly this season like he always did before, have Diane be the fuck. Have the Big Fuck Up be by Diane.

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>>95333706
I dropped this show after season 2 when nothing had developed and it seemed like the writers just wanted to maintain a holding pattern forever.

Would I be correct in this assumption?

>>95335562
Season 3 is good.
And it ended with the possibility for major change

>>95335580
>possibility
Not good enough. Have major changes to the status quo actually happened?

>>95335532
>>95335534
What happened is that the show got all kinds of buzz about "OMG first show that brings up asexuality. How awesome!"
The writers got drunk on the praise and then took it upon themselves to continue being praiseworthy at the cost of quality.

Which is totally ironic because the show makes fun of vapid entertainment industry blogs with Diane's job and yet they still honestly think they're important

>>95335226
What needs to be addressed though?
>he wanted a romantic working man artist lifestyle and to write the great american novel
>knocked up a debutante in a one night stand >when she called him out took her out to California and got married
>lived a miserable life of domesticity supporting the broad and the kid while slaving at a cannery for at least half a decade
>broke down and picked up that corner office job
>developed heart problems at some point, wife is shown fucking with his heart meds as early as around this time
>slowly watched his dreams shrivel and die just like his failed marriage
>in the 90s he fucked the maid, knocked her up, but pussied out of the whole thing and begged his wife to clean it up
>in the 2000s (after BoJack's second show had come out) he dies, at a believably old age and probably from heart complications
>probably had BoJack's and Hollyhock's "stupid piece of shit" syndrome eating away at him the whole time, likely causing the stress that resulted in heart complications

I don't think whatever his childhood was like before he met Bea really matters. It was probably pretty average.

>>95335562
Well the show essentially is a holding pattern since they've indicated they'll make as many seasons as Netflix will renew them for so they can't do anything insane or else there's nowhere to go. Unfortunately they will eventually get to a point where the character arcs are finished and it'll just become terrible

>>95335503
My personal high point is That's Too Much, Man! I mean, hell, it made me cry about Sarah Lynn when I previously cared absolutely nothing for her character.

>>95335412
they just don't know what to do with him, which is a shame, it'd have been nice to see Bojack really trying to make amends. Perhaps that's asking too much for now

>>95335613
Yes.
Not as much as I would have liked, but things are different.

>>95335621
We didn't need to see Beatrice's early life, and yet here we are

>>95335613
The main characters essentially don't have any interaction with each other in this season and it's four parallel stories running with brief periods where they interact. I'm personally not really feeling it.

Anyone else think they were going to do something crazy with the timelines during the second episode?
Like Bojack was going to start seeing the past around him, literally.
The trippy new part of the intro made me think they might go full blown unreality for Bojack's story.

But I guess it was just a one episode Emmy bait conceit

>>95335621
The guy was a prick, I wonder if he ever finished his novel, did they mentioned it on previous seasons? Can't remember.

>>95335675
>it's four parallel stories running with brief periods where they interact. I'm personally not really feeling it.
Yeah same
I can't waiting for it all to come crashing together
But nah.

>>95335674
I guess not, but at least in seeing Beatrice's life story, most of Butterscotch's story was tied in.

>>95335725
I used to think the intro is going to be the last chapter of last season, with Bojack spiraling again.

Am I the only one that thinks Bojack isnt as shitty as everyone else? At least he's self aware of how shit he is, everyone else is just lying about/to themselves regarding how self sabotaging they are.

>>95335739
In season 1 when BoJack is telling Diane about his childhood for his biography, both Butterscotch and Beatrice's status while raising Bojack is brought up a couple times, and Butterscotch being an aspiring writer does come up a little, ususally in the context of abusing young BoJack. I think it offhandedly gets mentioned in other seasons too.

>>95335725
I like when they shake things up and do episodes like that. Like season 1 episode 11's drug trip, the episode about BoJack's inner thoughts, and the silent episode. Those are fun.

>>95335675
I actually like this season a lot, maybe because I'm glad they didn't just status quo todd and bojack back into being friends just for the sake of convenience.

>>95335744
I don't know why they did it this way because it makes it really obvious Todd's story is retarded and isn't a story at all, just a series of wacky antics that cheapen the setting because of how outlandish they've gotten. Every time it switched to him I was just frustrated they're wasting screen time I waited a year for when they could be showing something interesting.

>>95335812
Get off the internet, BoJack.

>>95333706
>So... Nothing happened this season, right?
Doggy Dog No.
If anything this is the best Bojack has been ever. Yeah he's still going to be a jerk in a sense but now his character is complete.

>>95335532
I still say its because Todd acts like a sitcom character, who can never be shown actually having sex as a result.

>>95335812
Whats worse, knowing the problem but not doing anything different or not knowing?

Same action either way. The sorry comes at the same time.

>>95335890
After bingeing the whole season, I'm showing it to a friend now, and I hate how they made the episode introducing Hollyhock 90% about Todd. A fraction of that episode is way too important plot wise to the season to skip, but more than half of it is just stupid Todd fluff.

>>95335812
What did everyone DO this season?
PC... Lied about her miscarriages. Ok?
Todd... Did some stupid clown shit?
Diane did... Nothing but cry at Mr PB
Mr PB did nothing but... be nice to Diane

>>95335812
He is a shitty person but he got the "privilege" of reaching bottom too many times that he finally somehow learned the lesson. At this point he is a guy whealty enough to live a comfortable life of despair and negativity.

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>>95335988
He does try though. He sucks at it and usually fails, but every other character just lies to themselves about what their problem is.Its not that he isnt shit, its just that everyone else is a little shittier.

We can all agree, at least, that MrPB is a bitch, right?

>>95335725
>>95335764
The trippy intro was foreshadowing for Beatrice spiking the coffee. All the visuals start happening after Bojack sips his morning coffee.

>>95336070
>We can all agree, at least, that MrPB is a bitch, right?
lmaoing at your life, friend, you're about to get shat upon, hard

Honestly though, why do you think that?

I hope Diane spirals next season.She just bitches and moans about everything anyway, may as well make her life shitty so it fits.

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>>95336029
>>95336125

>PC is constantly fucking up her relationships and her life by being inconsistent with her priorities between work and a personal life, all because she has some vapid notion of what she should be
>Todd is just Todd
>Diane is essentially a female Bojack but with no self awareness, and can't be happy no matter what. She, too, sabotages and/or strains her relationships because of trivial notions of what she should be
>MrPB is an asshole who at first glance SEEMS like just a well meaning buffoon, but is really just focused on getting people to like him no matter what, and is willing to fuck with politics and his own relationships just to LITERALLY get points for it

>>95336070
>We can all agree, at least, that MrPB is a bitch, right?

No, Mr.PB is just trying to live a good life. He has no opinions really, he written to be a Lab and thats what we get.

>>95335990
I did enjoy Todd and Hollyhock's interactions though. It kinda felt like whereas when BoJack and Todd interact, BoJack is the butt of the joke, that dynamic was flipped with HollyHock. Like when they were pulling the hair sample.

I also found it ironic that Todd had lived in that house for years and BoJack was constantly telling him to clean up his shit, but it took this crazy illegitimate child plot after he'd moved out for him to clean the place top to bottom.

>>95336192
You're just describing what they are. I'm talking about what they DID

>>95336144
She is stuck between pretending to be happy until she believe it herself, of being happy at being unhappy. She resembles a little Bojack's dad, wanted a bohemian artistic life, pretending to be aware of real world, tried to do the work of his life, and ended up living from his wife's family. In Diane's case, she just abandoned her dreams, pretends she does something relevant in her new job, and lives from MrPB.

>>95336070
He tries during the time he isn't an asshole.

At no point when confronted with a moment where he can be an asshole does he refuse it.

If I can use a metaphor here, Bojack is like a pyromaniac. All the people around him play with matches, he's the only one who's aware of the fact he causes fires but his attempts to not light fires are only when he can't. Once matches go in his hand he causes a fire anyway and immediately. He also does nothing to fix it immediately, and just like the others acts unaware of what he's done until way too late. The only difference between him and them is he is aware he does it before, during, and after.

>>95336232
She's a sponge. If she divorces her sugar daddy husband I don't know where she's going to go. She can't afford that area on notBuzzfeed salary.

>>95336192
>Diane is essentially a female Bojack but with no self awareness

They're not as similar as people make out. Bojack, aside from this season where he tries to be more pleasant, is abusive towards others as well as manipulative. He'll openly call someone he deems lesser a piece of shit while trying to sabotage his friends. Diane only reverts to her shitty Boston family self when she's hit rock bottom. She's usually a decent human being who takes out her frustrations on her husband.

>>95336222
And you were replying to my original post about why they're shitty, regardless of season and particular actions.

>>95335739
wasn't that the book in his mom's crap at the end

>>95336378
People need to do things to be shitty.

>>95336342
>She's usually a decent human
>Feminist
fifty

>>95336270
She'd probably get a shitty apartment in a bad neighborhood in town and go back to pulling shifts at Starbucks and/or catering waiting like before she met Mr PB, in addition to the blogging, before everything would start to fall apart.

>start to wonder how the other bloggers at Girl Croosh support themselves
>remember that the boss mouse is the heiress of a hotel empire and that at least the two that had written those sex articles both had husbands

Huh. Real strong independent womyn they turned out to be, when I think about it.

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Just a question for you guys.

Were all of Todd's problems really Bojack's fault or was he just using Bojack as a scapegoat?

>>95336474
Todd's not enough of an actual character for me to care

>>95336474
they weren't but a man can only take so much before a straw breaks his back, yeah sleeping with emily wasn't that bad but the way bojack tries to weasel out of it was too much for todd finally. he got tired of bojacking fucking it up and then trying to do whatever to escape the guilt instead of owning up to it

>>95336474
They're his own.

Bojack just makes him unhappy, making it harder to deal with his own problems emotionally. Note that I said emotionally, because Todd has no plans to actually deal with his own problems, just live with them. "You're harshing my mellow, man!" basically.

>>95336540
>>95336554
Do you think he'll ever forgive Bojack and befriend him again?

I understand why he left Bojack, but it still makes me a little sad.

Unless Hollyhock replaces Todd.

>>95336222

>PC

lashed out against Judah, lashed out against her mouse husbando and drove both of them away from her life despite neither doing anything wrong except support her and try to steer her from utter self destruction

>Todd

really more interested in himself than anyone else until someone else throws themselves at his feet

>Diane

literally can't live with not being recognized and merited but hates not being a selfish victim on her own devices, could have nipped the campaign on the bud, discussed Mr PB's policies so they wouldn't conflict, or just not make everything about herself, but she wanted to stay at the sidelines while simultaneously sabotaging him.

>Mr PB

enabled Jessica Biel to murder and cannibalize Zach Braff and costed the mayor his hands to get a bunch of brainlet celebrities to cheer him

>>95336594
Not likely. If written realistically anyway.

People like Todd just surround themselves with enablers, people who make them happy and distract them from their own shittiness. Anyone dealing with their own problems that needs help, or who confronts them about that person's issues, are blamed for themselves feeling bad.

Basically Todd won't fix his life, period. Bojack drama makes it so he can't ignore his own problems like he can when going on a zany adventure with MPB.

With Bojack he has to deal with being a hopeless manchild 100% dependent on others for everything. With MPB he gets to laze about, make up stupid plans, and be in charge of things.

>>95336594
>Do you think he'll ever forgive Bojack
no
>and befriend him again?
possibly. at the end of todd episode he seemed open to the idea of maybe making a new relationship with bojack

>>95336604
>enabled Jessica Biel to murder and cannibalize Zach Braff
I still can't believe this was a thing. I know the show can get ridiculous but for some reason this season felt the worst.

>>95335140
The will they won't they is the way most bad relationships go.

You don't have that kind of situation when one side is abusive or if they're both completely happy with one another. It just is the way relationships die. In lazy confusion and passive despair.

>>95336712
>>95336713
Knowing that it almost makes me wonder why they keep Todd in the story as a main character.

If he hates Bojack and isn't a part of his life anymore, then he should be demoted to a minor character in my opinion.

>>95336751
zach braff deserved it. he left scrubs and because of that the season without him or the janitor was made

>>95336604
A whole lotta nothing there.
The character who did the most was PC and even then, all she did was fire a gag character and dump a character introduced last season.
Todd does fuck all as always.

Diane was a selfish jerk as she always is, but still just stood there and complained a lot.

Mr PB was Mr PB

>>95336751
Mr. PB saved an underwater fish city from being crushed by a massive amount of spaghetti by using countless spaghetti strainers. This all happened right after the grounded episode Escape from L.A.

>>95336798
If this show wants to be known for being courageous they should have the courage to do what most shows don't and move away from established characters and introduce new ones. Todd has absolutely no reason to be taking up as much screen time as he does besides as a crutch to fill the time because the writers don't have any other ideas. He literally isn't involved with the other main characters anymore. So why the fuck do we care about his dumbass antics?

>>95336751
Apparently Biel wanted her fictional self to be so psychotic and selfish. She actually told the writers to make her meaner.

Not sure if thats something to admire or fear.

>>95336882
>This all happened right after the grounded episode Escape from L.A.
Uh...

>>95336911
That's Bielievable

>>95336751
You might say it was Un-Jessica-Bielievable

>>95336798
I still say his purpose is dissonance with Bojack.

Bojack believes happiness is literally living like a sitcom character.

Todd basically is a sitcom character, getting into zany 30 minute adventures and always resolving them back to status quo. But Bojack refuses to be part of it and resists all chances to be drawn into it.

Happiness is literally trying to draw Bojack in, but Bojack cannot actually be happy, just angrily coexist with it.

>>95336956
>Bojack believes happiness is literally living like a sitcom character.
What makes you think that?

>>95336992
He said so, in season 1 I believe during one of the Sarah Lynn episodes, and nothing indicates he has changed that.

>>95335210

It's like, for once, everything is going right for Bojack while everyone else's life falls apart. Well, except for Todd. But he's just Todd.

>>95336911
She also told them to be incredibly harsh when taking shots at her. It's cool that she's a good sport about it.

HEY DID I MENTION THAT IM ASEXUAL

WOAH LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE AROUND ME THAT ARE ALSO ASEXUAL

THIS IS A TOTALLY NORMAL THING GUYS

WOAH A CUTE GIRL IS INTERESTED IN SPENDING TIME WITH ME AND SHE IS ALSO ASEXUAL, HOW TOTALLY NORMAL AND NOT WEIRD!!!!

RIP Todd

>bojack could have taken beatrice back to her summer home and paid for a full time nurse
>but he destroyed it

That part hit me hard. It's a shame they didn't explore that angle.

>>95337121
>settle down you future hard jeopardy question
>i'm starting to think that less famous michelle monahan has the right idea
>that attempted movie star is right!
Pretty much the only genuinely funny moments this season for me, but at least they were very funny

>>95337230
Todd was the best character but he was ruined by this shit.

>>95337307
Nah, Todd was just a worthless loser smooching off an enabler. Just because he's surrounded by worse people doesn't mean he isn't shitty as well.

>>95337230
That was not a cute female and you know it

>On episode 8
Maybe It's because I haven't seen the show in months but any scene with Mr.PB just annoys the living shit out of me. Half the time shit just comes off as
>Problem
>Clear solution is present
>Solution is dashed through such stupidity that you wonder why any character even puts up with him
Again, I haven't seen the show in months. Maybe it was always that way and I just forgot.

We can all agree Hollyhock is the worst, right?

Every single line she had made me cringe.

>>95337432
Why? She is just a regular teenager with eight parents. Worst character is Todd.

What's the verdict on rewatchability for this season? Yes/No? Seasons 1 and 2 are pretty rewatchable for me but Season 3 was a one and done for me. Dunno what about it makes it that way but I have no desire to rewatch that season.

>>95337230

The ace arc had potential. It was just wasted. Remember emily who gave Todd the drone throne & was a big part of season 3. Well what happened to her? They shouldn't have done the "celebrity fiance" bit at all. Todd should have met the axlotl at the 1st ace meeting & then had his arc be about their relationship. Have the axlotl be the first person who Todd has sexual feelings for. Then have like a love triangle thing go on between the 2 of them and Emily.

Or even better: have Todd & the axlotl get drunk & have sex. Then the axlotl ashamed tells the other aces & they convince her to press charges against Todd for rape. Then have Todd deal with everyone treating him like the devil. Have that break him from being the fun loving agent of chaos he's always been to a sad pathetic nothing. A stupid stoner who needs Bojack for a place to stay because he's hated by everyone else. Then have Bojack turn him away because Bojack himself sees in Todd's desperation that he needs to move on to the next stage of his life.

That would have been an accurate way to depict Todd in season 4.

>>95337430
MrPB is an annoying celebrity, is ok to find him annoying and his dumb solutions, just like real celebrities trying to fix the problems in the world doing useless celebrity things.

>>95337432
Hollyhock is cute! C U T E !

>>95337479
>this much projection
go back to tumblr sjw

>>95337254
the little bit of forgiveness at the end was nice, but let's not overdo it. it wouldn't make sense for him to forgive her completely when she basically ruined his life
it wasn't a "beatrice dindu nuffin" moment, it was a "bojack doesn't want to become like her" moment

>>95337432
She had practically zero development, which I don't understand considering how important she supposedly is. It's like they just expected us to like her because of what, rather than who, she is.

Also it's probably kind of petty but I personally found her voice grating and don't like that her "endearing quirk" is being chubby.

And the Manheim-Manheim-Gorilla-Sasquatch-Toyota-Trader-Joe's thing got old pretty quick.

>>95337456
I've rewatched episodes 2 and 6 several times already and episode 11 once but nothing else. I don't think I ever want to sit through anything in this season involving Todd or Diane again.

>>95337482
It's that combined with the shit like
>Dumb decision gets him and the whole party stranded underground for 10 days
>Because of him Woodchuck had his hands crushed
>Because of him what could have been a reasonably handled unpleasant situation ended up turning into full on mob rule and fire worship
>end of it all
>Diane: Mr.Peanutbutter you are the best thing that has ever happened to me
Like- I understand. It's a show, shit has to happen, but it doesn't feel the same as the earlier seasons. Earlier seasons had this ongoing sense of change, everything felt like it had something that would either be reasonably dealt with or would have lasting changes on a dynamic. This whole season has just been a slowly rising rollercoaster of stupidity and absurdism only followed by the amount of tolerance by other characters that if they ever had it in the first place, would never have had a problem with mr.peanutbutter to begin with.

It's frustrating is what I'm saying, I guess.

The problem with this season is that it's all set up with no pay off. It's like half an arc.
PC is going full self-destruction, I wonder how this will turn out for her! Oh, I have to wait another year
Diane/MrPB in dire straits! Oh, ok, I guess I'll find out next year how things turn out.
BoJack has a sister/daughter thing that he's not fucking up! I wonder how this will continue! Oh, I'll find out next year.

It's all just set up.

>>95337479
>Todd is charged for raping
>he himself believe it
>becomes a "celebrty" because is a repented rapist/exmodel/excelebrityfiance
>Diane calls out him for making profit about being a rapist
>Todd is worried about how to live as an asexual who is a rapist, he is invited to talk about to MrPB men talkshow
>Axlotl appears and explain how the shit happened
>Todd realises he is not asexual
>he goes to look for Bojack
>he tries to help him, explain Todd he needs to face his own shit
>Todd is torn between facing it or go to jail to serve six months sentece for asexually-raping an asexual girl who didn't have consensual sex with him but is not pressing charges
>Todd goes to jail at the end of the season

>>95335503
No, Downer Ending exists.

>>95337676
I don't agree. PC going full self destruction IS the arc. Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter openly admitting their marriage is a sham IS the arc. Bojack finally doing something good for once in his life IS the arc.

>>95337794
There are no consequences do any of those things though.
It's like we saw a rollercoaster cart roll up to the top of a hill, and then the credits roll.

>>95337676
>>95337794
I do agree. There was nothing new introduced beyond what we knew was coming at the end of last season, and this season resolved nothing.

If anything, it's the first example I've seen of a good show losing a beat to the whole Netflix model. It really felt like they treated the whole season as one or two episodes of a long-ass story. In traditional cable shows, you HAVE to try and make every episode count to keep the ratings up, but it feels like they had no such motivation here. There was so much throwaway filler.

>>95337967
I just finished watching the season and fresh in my mind the amount of material that was actually consequential could fit in 4 episodes. 2/3rds of this season could be completely removed and change nothing. That's a much worse ratio that usual.

>>95338230
>2/3rds of this season could be completely removed and change nothing. That's a much worse ratio that usual.
That was my impression as well

Did the show get a new contract guaranteeing a few more seasons or something?
They didn't seem in a big hurry this time

>>95338230
>>95338301
Disagree, a lot of it was re contextualizing the characters, which is different than filler.

>>95337905
>There are no consequences do any of those things though.

The consequences are that Bojack is finally able to be a good person, Diane and PB finally admit their relationship is unfixable, and PC finally realizes it's not Bojack doing the poisoning in her life.

>>95338330
This. Not everything has to be plot plot plot. Bojack's strength is when it's analyzing character, less so when it's about the events.

>>95333998
Her dad was actually fucking terrifying.

>>95338403
Joseph Sugarman did nothing wrong.

idk what in particular gives me this feeling but for some reason this season it just feels like the writers didn't try as hard. feels lazy. anyone else feel that compared to the other seasons?

>>95338330
You're right.
But once you've recontextualised them, we need to them now act in their new context.
We got cucked out of that, I think.
This season should have been the first half having everyone change and the second half about how it plays out.

>>95333962
I thought they drew out the governor shit for too long too, but now that I think about it Peanutbutter was probably just using it as a distraction from the fact that his marriage is falling apart.

>>95338461
I don't agree with that either. Its bad when you half ass the direction. If they just hastily put together the contextualization, changes, and results, you'd get mediocre results across the board. Instead we got one season that did what it tried to do well, that is, show us exactly the roots of everything that's going on and hint at some actual change. Next season they should focus on getting the characters to actually come to terms with how shit they are and make real progress, for better or worse.

>>95338457
Yeah.
There was no "OH FUCK" moment this season. Season 1 had Downer Ending as a whole and the Herb thing.
Season 2 had the Bojack and Penny thing.
Season 3 had Sarah Lynn's death and Bojack's near suicide attempt.
Season 4 had...

It even wasted its "fuck"

>>95338508
I guess that hinges on whether they can deliver in Season 5.
This season was a soft pitch. It'll be forgivable if the next one knocks it out of the park.

>>95338528
>Season 5
drrrruummppffffff

>>95338538
I hope they got it out of their system this season.

>>95338512
>instead of progress, i demand that the season end with someone trying to kill themselves and depressed

>>95338549
They confirmed they had the scripts done before election day. So no, they haven't even started. And with even more political whining disguised as jokes disguised as joking about the whining it's fairly safe to say they are not deterred in doing even more. It's gotten more heavy handed every season.

>>95338573
>progress
There was hardly any progress, and what there was should have fit into a third of the season at most.

>>95338573
I didn't say it had to be Bojack. Him having a nice moment with Hollyhock would have been a fine contrast to one of the other characters having a really gosh darn bad day.

Bojack may have had progress, but everyone else definitely lost ground. The writers seemed afraid to really hurt them as much as they were willing to hurt Bojack in the past

>>95338512
Season 4 had
>Diane and MrPB reaching the breaking point
>PC broke with her boyfriend, had like five miscarriage, fired Judah, and is so desperate she just decided to produce a shitty script because had her unborn child name and faked Bojack's signature
>Bojack discovered he is human, is capable of trying to not sabotage his life, won over his hate for his mother and now he has a sister.
Todd could have dissapeared and everything would be the same.

>>95338608
>>Diane and MrPB reaching the breaking point
>>PC broke with her boyfriend, had like five miscarriage, fired Judah, and is so desperate she just decided to produce a shitty script because had her unborn child name and faked Bojack's signature
>>Bojack discovered he is human, is capable of trying to not sabotage his life, won over his hate for his mother and now he has a sister.
These things are not nearly as big as the other season's "HOLY SHIT" moments

I'm not saying literally nothing has changed. It's just... They could have done more.

>>95338608
>Todd could have dissapeared and everything would be the same.
Better than the same, that stupid governor plotline could have been nipped in the bud when the woodchuck won the ski race. I thought that was going to be the end of it but no, they had to stretch out this already unfunny scenario another 8 episodes

>>95338512
>here was no "OH FUCK" moment this season
episode 9?
PC lying to herself that everything is gonna end up fine after having a miscarraige, firing judah and breaking up with ralph all in one day

>>95338512
It showed just how fucking malignant Bojack's relationship with his mom became. He wanted to do something to being out some lucidity in her, only to use that as a chance to tell her off. He was willing to use possibly the only moment his mother might recognize him as a means to vent his hatred for her.

When he got his chance and didnt give the "fuck you mom" speech, it shows just how much Bojack has changed. He was willing to let go of his hatred and self-loathing, if only because it was becoming such a burden to keep holding onto

>>95338606
>Him having a nice moment with Hollyhock would have been a fine contrast to one of the other characters having a really gosh darn bad day.
Diane literally broke down and hinted at a divorce, or at least, everything she's done is a sham. She Bojack'd herself.

>>95338677
I can kind of understand Judah, even if I think it's irrational, but the breakup with Ralph honestly seemed a little out of character to me. Maybe it's just that I have a hard time relating to the miscarriage because the thought of having children disgusts me

>>95338742
thanks for the blog

>>95338742
she had just had a miscarraige and 5 nightcaps on top of an already trying day. the hormones and the booze was fucking with her

S2 > S4 >> S3 >>>>>> S1

>>95335739
In Beatrice's belongings I could have sworn I saw a black book that said The Great American Novel

>>95338742
Saddest part was that we were seeing her story throught her great-great-great-great-grand daughter. Also, Ralph was too much a whinny, PC needs a different guy.

>>95338835
pc is a strong womyn who dont need no man

>>95335812
No, man. Bojack is still by far the shittiest when you add up all his shit compared to everyone else in the main cast. It's not even slightly close to a contest. In fact, just that one thing he pulled with the deer daughter was worse than everyone else's transgressions combined.

>>95338845
Ralph was a mouse, she needs a good guy... unless writers try to turn her into a lesbian, she is already into interspecies.

>>95338880
no what I mean she won't get with anyone. she will adopt and be content raising a kid

>>95336474
No, it's not all Bojack. Todd himself has acknowledged that multiple times. That doesn't make Bojack not a terrible influence and friend, though.

Oh man, i just finished watching the series. those last lines, just got whammed with emotion. teared up a bit even.

Bojack smiling, and meaning it. Fuck, that guy deserves it.

>>95333706
>Absolutely nothing happened here.
Bojack picked himself up back from the deep end of grieving and came back willing to change some things. He found out he has family that doesn't loathe him. He did purposefully good things for a selfless reason. He's changing.
Diane goes off the deep end and stops pretending the marriage was a good idea, and begins to understand that she prefers to be miserable by being a cynic. She's also starting to talk about what Bojack means to her, the person. She's the one who kept calling him after he vanished and felt hurt when he didn't go to her right away when he returned.
Mr. Peanutbutter... is still not learning anything, but it keeps becoming more clear than he just needs ANYONE with him and he'll keep trying to force things from a "good" side to get them to stay. And yet they keep leaving, and that's probably for a reason.
Princess Carolyn painfully stumbles through many falls and it's questionable if she's on her feet by the end. She fights with time itself, and deeply questions what her motivations are.
Todd is a shit and he's better off as a wacky make-good fairy than a character. Fuck Todd.

>>95338775
shit taste

>>95338912
I almost don't want to watch a season 5 because I know I won't be able to protect his smile

>>95338606
I think PC's arc alone proves you wrong.

>>95336474
All of Todd's problems are caused by him being an irresponsible retard, Bojack's a shitty person but without him Todd would probably be dead already.

>>95338835
No, the saddest part was that we weren't. PC was just imagining all that. Ruthie isn't the future and isn't real.

>>95336070
Anon, he's a boy. He can't be.

>>95338953
Well, he's going to make PC's train wreck of project in season 5 i guess. But hell, just that ending, made me feel so much better.

>>95335015
Alternatively, the ice cream is proof that Bojack does know her past. He wanted to give her a happy memory, and knew most of her childhood ones were terrible, so he made one that had everything she wanted: her brother, the lake, ice cream...

There are too many details for it to be a generic story to make anybody feel nice.

>>95339005
Maybe it todd dates this other asexual girl she'd reign him in somehow. Settle him down a little.

>>95339033
I'm just worried that now that Bojack is in a slightly better place, everyone will bring him back down again

>>95339033
Though I don't want them to go to far with it, Bojack actually ending up helping the rest of the main cast fix their shit over the course of the next season would be a nice and satisfying reversal. He always used them as a crutch, and now he actively lets them use him as one in return. In his own Bojack way, of course.

>>95339039
I'm not sure Bojack knows details, but the idea that he didn't know her past was shitty is silly. I think he's smart enough to have gleaned as much. It just doesn't make up for the hell she put him through.

>>95338378
>Not everything has to be plot plot plot. Bojack's strength is when it's analyzing character, less so when it's about the events.

in a 12-episode season? that they had a year plus to put together? most certainly it does.

look at S1 and 2, they were extremely, prodigiously tightly-written, everything flows together, plays a part, falls into place by the climax, they're one of the best written seasons i've ever seen, and that's what i expect from Bojack, not a lax, meandering story full of false leads.

>ywn go out with a cute axolotl girl
what's the point lads

>>95339060
I think the cast would think something like Bojack's happines brings despair and pain to the others, and would blame him for being happy.

>>95335103
he fired her + every show he's been involved with since Horsin' Around was either shit or he freaked out and bailed on

>>95339105
>wanting to go out with worst water starter

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>>95336474
Todd is a Jerry.

He just preys on people's sympathy and pity. He is my vote for the most unlikable character in this show full of unrepentant assholes.

>>95339039
And he also knew about his dead uncle, and he remembered the old house he spend summers. Also, Beatrice is not the type of women who would hide the stories of the people who fucked her life. Aside Henrrieta's case... and that seemed more her only attempt to save someone from the hell she knew well.

>>95339148
But nobody likes Jerry in Rick and Morty. Todd is just like Homer from zombie Simpsons.

>>95334857
>There's no tension about how we know something everyone doesn't.
There doesn't need to be. The moment at the end works because he doesn't know. That he chooses to do what he did, despite everything she had done, shows him doing something good for someone else with no real benefit for himself.
When he says he just wants to tell her FUCK YOU he's acting out because he's just being forced to interact with her when he'd rather avoid her. But then he had to live with her and endure her "spooky stare". He saw the state she was in. So he chooses not to be selfish. It's not that he pities her for her past. He's just being nice to someone who's scared and helpless, because she needs it and not because he wants to.
That's the pay off.

>>95335103
Because he fucked her over and fired her after all the shit she did for him over the years. Plus he is a major drag as a client.

Do you just not watch the show? I get that Bojack is likeable and you want to root for him, but I'm seeing way too many people in here acting like he dindu nuffin when he's still by far the worst of the main cast. That's the whole damn point.

>>95339148
Todd isn't like Jerry at all. Part of why Jerry gets shit on is being a normie voice of reason in the middle of a family and show that thrives on chaos. Todd is part of the wacky antics crew. He's a straight man for nothing.

>>95339127
Also she knows she has a whole bag of personal issues with him that go beyond the professional. And she's trying to start over fresh from the Manager perspective.

>>95339148
Get off of the computer Rick

>>95339092
>S1
>tightly-written

S2 was the only tightly-written season.

I wonder what the endgame pairs will be in this show. I have a feeling, after the end of this season, that a 5th season would play around with relationship dynamics.

Is the whole "one 'fuck' per season" thing something the creators talk about outside of the show or is it just something /co/ managed to autistically notice somehow?

>>95339605
There are no endgame pairs, a couple of the characters might luck out and end up with someone but most of these characters are going to be lonely and fucked up at the end of it all.

>>95339637
its a general rule for television

>>95339637
>just something /co/ managed to autistically notice somehow?
The first 3 seasons all very obviously built up to a huge bottoming-out moment where everyone hit their lowest point of the season. There's nothing autistic about noticing it when it was obvious and intentional.

>>95339605
Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter are on the rocks, but dunno if they'll actually break up.
If they do, it's questionable if it's Bojack who should pick up the pieces. Diane, as she is, is probably bad for him. But he's certainly going to have to help her.
Princess Carolyn could get back with Ralph or just do a single mom thing. Hell, maybe she doesn't even have time for that as she tries to sail the ship of her awful "baby" project.

>>95339659
Literally never heard of that until I started reading Bojack threads. You guys mention it a lot.

>>95339667
The word fuck just doesn't seem like that big a deal to me, most of my friends use it casually.

>>95339743
Dunno what those two are talking about. I remember it becoming a thing after S2, when people only noticed a single fuck in that season just like S1. S3 kept the trend, so it became a defacto rule.

It really stands out given how much they use every other non-TV-friendly word, almost like they are avoiding the word fuck on purpose. Hence why people noticed.

>>95339605
They've spent so long telegraphing the Diane/Mr. Peanutbutter breakup that I actually kinda think they're going to wind up staying together.

I don't think any of the other main characters will be getting with each other.

I'm pulling for PC to get back together with Ralph, but I don't think it's going to happen.

>>95339923
>They've spent so long telegraphing the Diane/Mr. Peanutbutter breakup
Since season 1, really.

>>95333706
He didn't fuck up like every other season. That's huge.

>>95339743
They purposely made it a big deal by keeping it reserved for only the most serious moments. Using a word all the time normalizes it so its impact becomes nonexistent. They need some kind of curse word to remain impactful for those moments so they purposely reserve fuck.

>>95340531
To add to this that's the problem with pretty much all of HBOs shows. They so over indulge themselves with having three fucks said every other sentence by 90% of their cast that there's nothing they can say that's even impactful at that point when it needs to be.

>>95334877
Bojack and Diane is the endgame

>>95340746
Nah it's Bojack and PB

>>95340790
I'm straight and even I like this. Bojack envies PB, PB admires Bojack. It's perfect.

>>95341682
Bojack and PB

PC and Diane

With Todd marrying them

>>95337479
>>95337520
But reddit is the one obsessed with males being falsely accused of rape.

>>95340790
No chance, but no lie I think it would make a good temporary plotline.

>>95342584
I also think PB and PC would make an interesting couple.

>>95333706
The fucking political stances and bullshit made me drop it 6 episodes in. Fuck off>>95333706

>>95342584
>PB and Diane decide to spend time apart
>It's suggested to BoJack that he pretend to be gay with PB to boost his career, since gay couples are all the rage and being around PB increases his likability
>BoJack is resistant but PB is all in, partially as a distraction from Diane and partially because it's just what he does.
>Season of BoJack dodging PB's crazy romantic gestures as a B-plot
I could see it, honestly.

>>95333706
>Everyone's pretty much exactly where things were before.
Bojack had a ton of development this season for cuck's sake he wasn't even the one who chucked up this time.

>>95341682
Well I'm a fag and I was mostly joking, although they definitely need to have a drunken hookup at some point in the series. I basically agree with >>95342584, more specifically I think they're both "too heterosexual"(especially Bojack) for it to work as a serious relationship. /blogpost

>>95342822
I can picture a scene where BoJack gets shitfaced and wakes up in bed with Mr. Peanut Butter

>>95335272
Nah that's some real standard sitcom conflict. Sometimes life is going along with the ride best you can. Sometimes no matter what you do you can't affect what is happening to you. Those are the scariest times in a person's life.

>1 week after s4 release
>still no s5 announcement

is it time to panic?

>>95337114
maybe next season todd's life will fall apart

>>95337520

Do you dedicate 50% of your brainpower every waking minute to detecting who may be an sjw?

>>95338538

Good.

>>95333962

I thought that episode where Todd worked with the clowns to help PC was pretty neat.

But I still couldn't protect Picarello's smile. ;.;

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>>95334784

Literally just saw the last episode. Watching it with the lil' bro after having spent many years out of his life? That shit hit a little close to home.

>>95338652
Not him but the entirety of episode 11 was kind of one big, drawn-out "holy shit" to me

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>Todd being such an SJW over labels

I was so glad when his friend told him they're useful. He was such a bitch in that scene.

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Don't lie /co/, you all wish you were Diana during this scene.

>>95335562
depression takes time to lift yourself out of. if it didn't take time it wouldn't feel true to life.

>>95346522
>And now you be Mr. Carolyn, and I'll be Princess Diana

>>95346522
Mr. PB is a manipulator and a deceiver. Far smarter and crueler than he lets on.

You bet your ass that turns me on.

So is Bojacks mom just going to rot in that shitty nursing home that'll probably abuse her?

>>95347054
Odds are she's going to be dead by the time the next season begins, if not shortly into it.

>>95347077
He'll probably get her out of it for hollyhock sake, while she's not related to Beatrice she'd probably find it cruel to just leave her there.

i-it's not canceled, right /co/?

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If Bojack's worthy of happiness, then you are too /co/.