>smartest men in the universe -Why doesn't the one on

>smartest man in the universe
Any proof to back that up?

>>95260500
Writer's convenience
/t

>>95260500
>Citadel of Ricks was made to be a government to combat the governments hunting them
>Rick's enact policies on handing over portal gun for security and must contribute to the citadel
I dunno

You have to look at it on the premise of all Rick's having vastly differing intellect. The main Rick seems to be the smartest so far. Most Ricks apparently actually have an average IQ at best.

>>95260500
I'd imagine the intelligence of a given rick entirely depends on their universe.

>>95260500
lol this is why I come to redddit so much!

Rick fucks with everyone, and the Citadel of Ricks is where Ricks fuck with other Ricks.

And not every Rick is exactly the same as the others, and even the main Rick in the show is apparently exceptional for a Rick as well.

>>95260500
I'm guessing down on their luck ricks lost their portal guns and/or cant access the place they recharge them.

>>95260500

It's been long established that not all Ricks are created equal, and infinite timelines means infinite variations in Rick personality, style, and intelligence.

Look at Doofus Rick. Sure he's smart enough to make ovenless brownies instantly which puts him above most normal people, but by Rick standards he's borderline retarded.

>Why doesn't the one on the left have a portal gun?
He's a civilian.
>Why is the one on the right making fake portal guns?
Because he doesn't have one either.
>Why didn't left just leave his job if he didn't like doing it instead of chimping out knowing it would end badly for him?
He wasn't thinking straight because he was angry, something main Rick has shown a tendency for.
>Why did right try to use his defective portal tech?
Because he didn't think it would kill him.

Please think for yourself next time.

>>95260607
Doofus rick is smarter than the crackhead rick in the OP his bootleg portal juice did'nt kill him.

>>95260500
The left one doesn't have a portal gun for the same reason a lot of intelligent people around the world don't have regular guns. :^)

Didnt he demand an untraceable portal gun? I imagine every Rick on the Citadel has one, but the government can trace your every step if you use 'sanctioned' portal guns. They probably also have a tight grip on the materials needed to make one, which is why druggie Rick was making a shoddy one that killed him.

>>95260500
>Why doesn't the one on the left have a portal gun?
>Why is the one on the right making fake portal guns?
For Citadel to actually function as a society, it would need to heavily regulate portal guns, otherwise the crime rate would be complete and total chaos.

There are multiple universes you dumb fuck.

Each Rick is the smartest man in the Universe. It doesn't mean emotionally stable, immune to addiction, or immune to being exploited by smarter Ricks from smarter universes.


I mean fucking Doofus Jerry is the closest the multiverse has to a God and you're talking shit about a few Ricks being duped into surrendering their portal guns for a collectivist purpose? I mean, for fuck's sake.

After the what they saw a single Rick, even if that one was an exceptional one, can do with a single portal gun, heavy regulation would probably be very handily accepted.


I mean, how many "innocent" Ricks and Mortys died for no reason when C-137 went all chimpout? A single Rick almost destroyed the Citadel. Makes sense only Ricks in power in the Citadel with a lot to lose by doing shit like that would have access to a portal gun by law.

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>>95260500
>Implying all Ricks are exactly the same
They're mostly in the same ballpark, but there's literally a Rick who is so useless he's being trained to be someone's Morty because that's all he's good for.

>>95261030
And he's failed Morty school at least once, so we're supposed to believe he is dumber than most Morties.

>>95260500
>-Why doesn't the one on the left have a portal gun?

Maybe for the same reason you don't bring your leaf blower to work at the shoe factory ....

Upon rewatching the episode, I noticed that almost half the stuff dropping out of the garbage chutes into the "wishing portal" was portal guns.

>>95260709
>doofus jerry is the closest the multiverse has to a god

what?

>>95261237
nice catch

>>95260684
Also, I think that a lot of ricks never even invented their own portal guns and were just recruited for being ricks.

>>95261030
Tall Morty might actually be from the comics.
Killed his short Rick with a hammer.

>>95260500
who cares. it was a good episode for once.
Unlike reddit i dont think this show is smart so i dont care if it had dumb ricks

>>95260500
Because it's a metaphor for society.
Did you seriously not pick up that it was all a social and political commentary?
>none of this shit adds up
Yeah, like anything else in this show is supposed to make sense...

Rick is only super intelligent when applied to science, in every other way hes just as much of a fuck up as your average human, even more so in some ways.

Two good episodes in a row? What the fuck is going on?

>>95261442
Simple Rick lends a lot or credence to that theory.
If the ad was anything to go by, he never even approached the level of scientific experimentation most Ricks do.
He was probably located, and either recruited or kidnapped by the citadel, where Wonka Rick hooked him up to that machine.

>>95260500
>Why doesn't the one on the left have a portal gun?
he probably does have a portal gun
>Why is the one on the right making fake portal guns?
you mean portal gun juice
>why didn't left just leave his job if he didn't like doing it instead of chimping out knowing it would end badly for him?
cant run away from the citadel without a portal gun with enough juice
>why did right try to use his defective portal tech?
didnt want to get killed, was probably going to betray the mortys and run away anyways since he is rick

It's mainly that these Ricks do these things to themselves, falling into their roles in their made up society. It's not our intelligence alone that determine our well-being but also our identity.

>>95261736
its more like rick is used to be the very fucking best, every rick is
so they grabbed all the ricks and crammed them together into a society with a pyramid like power structure where someone is going to be at the top and a lot of people at the bottom
and all ricks are the smartest creature in the universe but they arent the smartest rick
so rick goes from being able to destroy a universe to being a fucking plumber
and they dont need plumbers, they are ricks, they can create a robot plumber in seconds or plumbing that self repairs but they do need to keep lesser ricks busy

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>>95261631
I didn't expect to get aroused in this thread.

>>95261631
they had to rush the writing to get the show in production so half the season was trash

>>95260500
>-Why doesn't the one on the left have a portal gun?
>-Why is the one on the right making fake portal guns.
"Most" Ricks are smart, but not all have the same opportunities. They live on the Citadel unlike C-137, the materials they could use to make portal guns is most likely heavily regulated, among the other shit C-137 has free access to.
>-why didn't left just leave his job if he didn't like doing it instead of chimping out knowing it would end badly for him?
Angry people don't think rationally.
>-why did right try to use his defective portal tech?
Because he was caught red-handed and trying to make a quick escape despite not knowing if the portal gun fluid was stable/working right.

>>95260500
>literally make a multiverse so anything can happen
>meant to be a spring board premise
>you're retarded
>probably a harmonfag and haven't interacted with early Roland
Loser.

>>95260500
Honestly, at this point I'm considering that Ricks are written like green lanterns.
Unstoppable force that is able to plan and escape every possible death when it's just one, but they die like flies when a bunch of them are together for cheap shock value.

>>95260633
Crackhead Rick was also on crack.

>>95260500
The one on the left mentioned an untracable portal gun, which is a key feature most of you seemed to miss. The probably both have portal guns but once they entered and lived on the citadel they had to register them and become trackable. At that point one ended up in a dead end factory job ane the other ended up an addict, both very real outcomes when you're stuck in a single reality. The left Rick was already trapped in a loop and he chose to get stuck in a victorious loop rather than a monotonous loop. The moonshine portal fluid was probably for black market untraced portal guns. He tried to use the defective portal tech because he was afraid and fucked up on harder chemicals than your average rick.

This episode is the whole reason why our Rick doesn't want anything to do with the Citadel. In previous episodes, I'm guessing we were only ever seeing the highest upper echelons of Citadel society/the cream of thr crop when it came to Ricks and Mortys; we never saw the REST of the Citadel. And what we see is just another society where even people who are suppose to be the smartest in every universe are still forced to work factory jobs because "hey man, society's gotta give you SOMETHING to do; we can't all be super geniuses at once."

It also proves that we're still only working with a small subest in the whole of the multiverse.

Why not have everything automated? Would be quicker, more effective and easier especially with multiple ricks working on making such a system.

>>95260607
>which puts him above most normal people
Which means anyone over that line wouldn't choose to degrade themselves like that

>>95260570
Then 1) how did they arrive at the citadel (which was a voluntary thing) and 2) why were they confirmed to have equal iq in the Atlantis episode

>>95262120
>Why not have everything automated? Would be quicker, more effective and easier especially with multiple ricks working on making such a system
sure, make a society of violent geniuses with nothing better to do than to kill each other for control

>>95262194
maybe structure is ricks kryptonite, i mean what is a simple rick going to do about it? kill his boss, get a hostage and demand a portal gun?
your everyday rick has rick iq but that doesnt mean he has any of the experience other ricks have, who knows, there are ricks with all kind of robotic enhansments, you dont see them doing factory work
maybe all ricks are born equal but they dont die equal

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Why didn't the Ricks just automate the manual labor?

>>95262241
>make a society of violent geniuses
If that is your issue the problem already exists cause at the very least there will be a significant band of elites. Only this way there is even more reason to back stab to gain status in a society which rewards it heavily

>>95262316
maybe Rick labour is just cheaper

>>95262324
and it probably happens all the time
the council wasnt always in control, they just had their first democratic elections so how do you figure they got in control in the first place? its all been controlled by a group of rich ricks anyways that not even our rick got the insight to kill
at least this way all the lower ricks are kept in check, all it takes is one gun shot from a lucky fucker

>>95262316
Rick hates himself. It would be funny to him to see other resins of himself being reduced to shit kicking garbagemen.

>>95262367
>and it probably happens all the time
So then you don't have a point any more, if the way to control people doesn't actually stop all the backstabbing then it doesn't work.

>at least this way all the lower ricks are kept in check,
You just admitted the system wouldn't, they would still kill each other and have more reason than before to do so

>>95260500

- Because governments know not to share their real power with the working class.

- He's not, he's making bootleg portal gun fluid to sell. You know, for money.

- Because he likely couldn't. There were Mortyless Ricks and Rickless Mortys and a million other unfortunate souls on the Citadel. Not all of them are going to have a warm cot in Beth's laundry room to sleep in.

- He didn't know the fluid was bad, so he tried to escape through a portal. You know, to flee from the fucking cops.

>nah nah man, none of this shit adds up!

That's because you're retarded, you fucking mong.

>>95261631
das a big butt

>>95262417
>So then you don't have a point any more
so having crime be something that only some underground ricks and mortys who kill other mortys do is the same as having complete and utter chaos with people running around with wepons all the time?

>>95262417
>You just admitted the system wouldn't, they would still kill each other and have more reason than before to do so
do you have any idea how police works irl?

>stupid show is stupid
whodathunk

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>>95260500

Why the fuck do you ask so many questions?

>>95262454
>that only some underground ricks and mortys
Nice try to change it up from yeah it would happen all the time to I mean only some. There is no reason everyone of them wouldn't be motivated to do it, especially because they are all Rick.

Nice try to frame this all but you already admitted you are wrong. Your proposed a system to solve something and then admitted it failed at doing so. It in fact encourages it for them.

>utter chaos with people running around with wepons
How about they don't change everything up for the sake of an episode and have it be what was originally intended. A place where Ricks meet up and use. If they have no motive to kill they'll go do some dumb experiment.

>>95262464
That address no point I said, are you trying to go but they could be caught? It is fucking Rick, not only does that mean a corrupt police but version of someone who should be smart enough to get away with crime.

This episode had to warp so much just to work, that is bad writing.

>>95261631
who's this semen demon

>>95260500

Just by seeing this art I know that the humor is forced, unfunny and political.

Probably a number 1 show on reddit.

>>95262584
ok, im going to reformulate this because you are too stupid to get it
we saw a lot of crime going on in the last episode right?
who got away with commiting crime?

Intelligence isn't tied to success, especially when you have a city full of smart people. Why do you think so many PhDs struggle to find work and settle for bottom-ass jobs? Why do you think Walter White worked as a teacher and a part-time car wash guy? Scientific knowledge especially doesn't mean jack shit for success.

>>95262639
>This episode is dumb and has to warp things to make it work
>Yeah but did you see how it worked in this episode?
I mean I pointed that out in the last comment, the fact a show has it work a way doesn't mean that is actually sensible.

>>95262681
But Rick (and Ricks in general) had been shown not only to be smart but resourceful, creative and pretty successful. Even a stupid Rick can do stuff beyond most people's dreams,. It only works if we just assume every Rick around is suddenly incredibly stupid.

>>95262682
pllease answer the question so we can move on

Just because you are smart doesn't mean you have initiative or drive to use it. Probably tons of genius level people on this earth and how many do you hear of doing anything?

>>95260500
retards like you are why we got midichlorians

not everything has to be dissected and deconstructed

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>>95260500
>Why doesn't the one on the left have a portal gun?
Okay, most likely answer: he got his confiscated and wasn't allowed to make another one. He was just too much of a pussy to go rogue and make another one, possibly because he feared he'd be caught by the Citadel and killed/imprisoned.

>why didn't left just leave his job if he didn't like doing it instead of chimping out knowing it would end badly for him?
You answered it yourself. He chimped out. No one is fully rational when they're angry. Rick on the left was flawed. Complacent. He was manipulated by superior Ricks into taking a menial role. Between men, it's the ones with the biggest balls, the biggest gun, and the most subordinates that put the rest in their place. Whoever started the Citadel found the best, and got the lesser ones to do the things no one else wanted to do.
The REAL plot hole question is: why did a citadel of super geniuses create an economy that isn't based off of robot labor?

>Why is the one on the right making fake portal guns?
Because he was never smart enough to make one, possibly?. Maybe he's doing it from scratch. If he knew how, then it wouldn't have been hard. Only other idea is that he had his confiscated as well and spent time trying to MacGuyver a new one, since the materials needed are either difficult to find or difficult to assemble.

>Why did right try to use his defective portal tech?
Desperation. He probably got his taken away as well, and was forced into labor like Left Rick. This Rick, however did go rogue, but to little success. Most likely, he wasn't smart enough (ever or anymore, due to drugs or something like that) to build a new, working portal gun, or perhaps making one from scratch with spare components was just a terrible idea, but a last-ditch effort. Either way, it led to his death.

One Rick has no power in a system controlled by a bunch of other Ricks. Since they're all basically the same it just a becomes a numbers game and the citadel has a lot of security

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>>95260500
No. this is the smartest man in the universe.

>>95262120
Because once everything is fully automated there's no need for an economy or order for that matter. Limited automation with the purpose of augmentation is the end game because some Ricks want to be above other Ricks and they definitely want to be above Morties. The same rules apply irl. We could have totally automated factories, farms, transportation, law enforcement, etc. giving everybody free shit and free travel all the time with none of the problems you face with humans doing the same tasks, but no "sane" person wants that because it means we'll all be the same rank socially, and it also puts all of us at the mercy of canned algorithms.

>>95262825
>The REAL plot hole question is: why did a citadel of super geniuses create an economy that isn't based off of robot labor?

You would think having robots around a society that is smart enough to manipulate any robot to do their bidding would spell trouble.

>non-automated factory line
???

>>95262376
This. Plus it's less work as a higher up in control of the credits and portal fluid to tell another Rick to pull a lever than sit down and blueprint some automation for your factory. And since you know the other Rick is going to do it, why bother innovating?

Infinite universes would imply that there's plenty of Ricks that are super-ultra geniuses. Hell, most of the manual labor Ricks are probably Ricks taken BEFORE they started making their super inventions (like Simple Rick), so they don't know they have it in them to do some of the wild shit they CAN do.

Also, this is the rebuilt Citadel; the best Ricks were probably killed when our Rick crashed the original into the government's super jail. What were's seeing are all the Ricks that they could get their hands on.

>>95262957
*human regulated order

>everyone's forgetting Hillbilly Farmer Rick's line about having to keep up with a particular role

The head Ricks dump everyone into a particular role when they sign up for the Citadel. They probably have no real say in it, either. It's another case of Rick fucking with himself because he hates himself. Why do you think they literally kidnapped what looked to be the only happy Rick in the known multiverse to use as the main ingredient in a candy bar that actually gives you happiness?

>>95262957
>We could have totally automated factories, farms, transportation, law enforcement, etc.
No we can't, we aren't there yet. But society is moving that way cause for every business it is a better option. Automation of the work force is an inevitability

Plus for Ricks that doesn't matter, if they didn't like it they could leave which if they weren't needed as a work force would not be an issue

>>95262969
You would think having Ricks around a society that is smart enough to manipulate any rick to do their bidding would spell trouble.

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>>95262316
Better question is how a system that was form in less than 5 years have 3rd generation factory owners.

>>95263204
We will only automate as far as it can decrease costs of labor. We won't ever fully automate our society to the point where it makes life easier for everyone, e.g. having fully automated transit, or having food production fully automated from start to finish and all the people receiving free food to their doorsteps.

We'll just automate factory labor to avoid paying the chinese and offer self driving cars to those who can afford it.

>>95263324
Cloning.

>>95260521
All the aliens and characters basically claim it in universe. It's canon until otherwise stated.

>>95263453
>e.g. having fully automated transit,
This brother doesn't know about HyperLoop.

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>smartest men in the universe

But once you gather them all up and place them in one universe, no one is the smartest man in the universe...

>>95260500
Honestly, this episode was a total blast.

Every Rick is a barely functional nihilistic supergenius, but take an entire society of Ricks, and then the Ricks start fucking with each others and doing suboptimal choices because they ARE barely functional. That's the point.

Add to that the fact that the Citadel was blown up and all order disappeared, and then you get that episode.

Everything was better in the beginning, probably. But then the Citadel bred complacency into their Ricks, the Mortys without Ricks began pilling up, portal guns were confiscated, and everything went to shit. What do you get when one try to create a society with suicidal, antisocial, drug addled supergeniuses? You get that episode.

>>95263453
>having fully automated transit
That is being worked on though, cars that drive themselves are being worked on by a lot of different people.

>having food production fully automated
Most food production is, introduce a driverless care and a robot that packs bag and boom fully automated

>We'll just automate factory labor
And then where do the factory workers go? Suddenly we have a working class with no jobs. But for a business it is great so they have no reason not to.

>>95260500
The one on the left clearly had his taken away when he was sent to work at a factory
The one on the right brain must be fried

What if tall Morty was that dumb because instead of croenberging up his world tall Morty accidentally made the entire universe (or himself) stupid through science.

>>95263483
>>95263623
There's a difference between the existence of automated cars and all of a country's transit being automated.

>>95263482
>exaggerations and figures of speeches mean it's actually canon
if there was a running joke where everyone said rick was the stupidest person in the world, would that make it canon instead?

>>95263591
Nice to see someone who actually watched the episode and understands the actual themes of the show.

>>95263684
How do you know it won't be?

Delivery trucks and passenger cars are already being tested as automated. Larger things, like buses and subways, are sure to follow.

>>95263684
>There's a difference between the existence of automated cars
Which goes back to what i said earlier, we aren't there yet but we are moving that way and not stopping.

Even just factories being automated is happening and is will create a class of people with no other opportunities.

>>95263490
Unironically /thread

A Rick is a big fish in a small pond in their universe but the citadel is an ocean.

>>95260570
Same IQ, differing levels of ambition.
That's why "smart but lazy" people are a thing, you can know plenty of shit but still be a layabout dirtbag waste of space.

The Mad Max episode is there to have the family deal with the divorce and maybe complete summers character arc considering she hasn't done anything since
Pickle Rick is there to establish just how toxic Ricks and Beth's relationship is
Vindicaters is to establish how sick Morty is of Ricks shit but also how much Rick might like Morty (not that we needed this since every Rick and Morty adventure is this)
The Jerry episode is there to go into Jerry's arc, show that Rick and Jerry don't need to be enemies, show how vindictive Morty can be, and also how petty Beth is
The toxic episode is there to show how a confident Morty looks
And this episode is to show how the citadel is doing and bring back evil Morty

All these episodes build upon each other, I can't imagine the finale will be satisfying
Some plot lines probably won't even be finished by season 3

>>95260500
The one on the left had Ricks above him keeping him down for the many years that he worked there. You can bet that they never made it easy for him to do anything else let alone build a portal gun and escape.

The Rick on the right has clearly seen better days and it's no wonder he'd be able to mess up at something an average Rick could do.

>>95263684
>>95263737
Delivery drones are also becoming more common, say goodbye to the postman

>>95261882
It's inverse ninja theory. One ninja is a human cuisinart, a clan of ninja is chaff at best.

>>95263737
Because it makes no sense for people to give away automated cars to the poor or allow poor people to ride free automated transit. There's no profit in that except for the long term benefit of easier controlled traffic calculations in the cloud, which would honestly probably be not as lucrative as the insurance market will be when keeping the poor off automated transit and allowing more accidents to occur when bad drivers make things difficult for automatons.
I'm not doubting the infrastructure will exist. Only a moron would be ignorant to the fact that self driving cars exist now. I'm saying it's not going to be for everybody and we won't have a fully automated society. It's going to be a class luxury when it comes to goods and services, and a means of decreasing business costs. Not something to make everyone's lives better.
>>95263751
I definitely agree there will be factory automation, but that doesn't mean our whole society will be automated top to botton. Likewise, there will likely be people who reap the benefits of automation that keep degrading jobs around for others to do just to make them do it for money instead of directly sharing in benefits which come with automation.

>>95262316
Putting all those ricks out of jobs

>>95264069
Automation is anti-Capitalist.

>>95264069
>I definitely agree there will be factory automation, but that doesn't mean our whole society will be automated top to botton
Why not? The only job they couldn't do is something that would require creativity so at best certain desk jobs are safe. Which is assuming we won't eventually be able to replicate that

>Because it makes no sense for people to give away automated cars to the poor or allow poor
When society is made up of a huge number of people who cannot work because there are legitimately no jobs it has to happen. If nothing else the government will be forced to help these people cause a hoard of poor people with no option is a problem, but business owners stand to gain so much by automation they won't stop it.

> It's going to be a class luxury
Already isn't, unless those screen check outs in McDonalds are a luxury.

>>95260500
Right, the smartest man from THEIR universe. What this means is there is a universe so fucking shitty, that a toothless, drug addicted old man is the smartest thing from it.

>>95264213
Which is why we won't see full automation. Just automated augments for our economy for the sake of decreasing labor costs or offering goods and services. Our whole economy would sooner stop innovating than do a complete 180 and place millionaires on the same socio-economic level as some bum on the streets.

>>95264284
>the same socio-economic level as some bum on the streets.
But it wouldn't. Say person A is a factory owner, somewhat automating gains 1 million in profit and fully automating gets 2 million. He is going to choose the second, but this mean person B loses their job with a lot of other people in many industries. With no other opportunity a better living wage or certain benefits are needed. A is still much richer, maybe B gets a car coupon but A could buy 5 better ones on a whim. they aren't equal, B just gets a lot of help cause there is no other option.

Plus any that do full automate would be more competitive, so it only needs a few in each industry to do it and will either force the industry that way or gain a monopoly.

>>95261652
judging by how they nabbed Simple Rick 2.0 they likely got the jump on him while he was focusing on his Beth

>>95264263
The reason why all jobs won't be automated is because some people will pay money to others to lord over them or watch them do the work. E.g. someone fucking a prositute or someone that takes joy in having a maid. Some other jobs likely won't be automated because some people prefer and trust a human touch, like barbers.

When society is made of of a huge number of people that can't work nothing has to happen. They're probably going to be left to rot in the slums just as people have been throughout history. The government likely won't be able to help these people either, especially if many of the automated changes are privatized and not liable to be shared to the public. Tesla and Google has no obligation to start giving automated cars away and they have no obligation to open up automated rails or anything like that. What's more likely is that those people will have to find some other means to make money and carry on be it in illegal drug sale, prostitution, begging, or some other field poor humans can excel at. On the bright side, costs for purchasing goods will be lower due to automated production.

And those screen checkouts at McDonald's are a means to decrease cost. I was referencing the ownership and enjoyment of automated goods and services being a luxury that not everyone will be able to enjoy. You clicking through a menu yourself isn't really automation, in the sense of a self driving car piloting you to your destination or a robot in the back cooking your meal. It's you doing the cashiers job and McDonalds firing the cashier.

I like how Evil Morty escaped the citadel when we last saw him, only to be right back now. Really shows that they didn't stick to their plans with the character, Which is ok, it's just a minor annoyance, not even inconsistent..

>>95264284
Which is pretty fucked, because you can make a fully automated country where no one has to work if they don't want to if you're willing to rework industry and society.

We'll literally never see the Jetson's future because some CEO still wants to make a paycheck.

>>95260500
>>95260570
I highly fucking doubt with infinite Rick's each one has the same IQ.

>>95264555
Or the cost of automation isn't worth it, paying someone to stand at a riveting machine for 50000 dollars a year is going to be preferable if the margins for a machine, the technician for the machine and installation costs are going to be way more than simply paying that flat 50000 a year. Or they'll just offshore because the same work can be done for 25000 a year even after discards from the QC process

Not every company is a mega corporation despite the government trying thier damnedest to make it that. You reek of someone who has no vison and is angry about it.

>>95264619
All the Citadel Ricks are from a very specific curve of infinity where they're all the smartest men in their own respective universes who are adventuring with specifically teenaged Mortys.

The second Citadel probably has to pull from some universes off the curve to fill the ranks.

>>95264555
>because some people will pay money to others to lord over them or watch them do the work.
What? People aren't going to pay money to do a job. prostitutes don't pay money cause they like working for someone, it is because a system where someone owns a certain area and protects them. It is like renting a stall

>people prefer and trust a human touch
That is just societal, at once point many wouldn't let a black guy cut their hair so Jamal-2000 will be accepted eventually.

>They're probably going to be left to rot in the slums just as people have been throughout history.
Yeah that isn't going to be left to happen, a huge group of people who are not use to being left to rot and just gonna stand around an diet that happen. Especially in a democracy where those people can vote for someone promising to help.

>especially if many of the automated changes are privatized and not liable to be shared to the public.
Then the Government will pay or people would pay through benefits.

>find some other means to make money and carry on be it in illegal drug sale, prostitution, begging
Your plan is, instead of the government helping they will let nearly all the working class turn to crime and be homeless filling the streets.

> I was referencing the ownership and enjoyment of automated goods and services being a luxury
It is no different than having a car, especially once the tech has become common and cheaper which like anything it will.

>>95264609
You'll never see the jetsons future because that would involve genocide of everyone who isn't capable of keeping up as everyone else is deadweight, the CEOs and government have nothing to do with it.

>>95264701
>Or the cost of automation isn't worth it
The opposite seems to be true though, at one point you'd be saying no one will have a computer for every employee that is impossible. Technology improves and lowers in price over time becoming more common to the point where it is uncommon not to have it. Car production is a great example, at best you can find a tiny handful of factories like Morgan Motors who still make cars by hand (even then they have adopted a lot of advanced machinery). If we are gonna say a tiny number of outliers means we can't say the industry is fully automated then we can't say anything is anything.

>>95264721
>the government is an omipiant machine that can implement everything perfectly with no waste
Boy do I have a a bridge in Brooklyn, multiple timeshares and exciting business opportunities in a revolutionary pyramid structured organization

>>95264754
No such thing as dead weight when everything that allows humans to live what we consider as middle class is automated and everyone has a set base income.

>>95264721
No, people pay the prostitutes money, anon. Some people will pay others money because they like the idea of lording over them.

A huge group of people will be left rotting in the slums because that shut has already happened in the past before. This isnt some uncharted territory. We know how this story goes.

The government would might step in and help with the right people in office who are willing to put a person above a dollar, but they wont be able to pay for everything. Again, the companies have no obligation to the people, and at most Uncle Sam might offer a tax cut for a company to give away a couple vouchers to the poor for some automated goods and services. But then again, with decreased costs of business, a tax cut might not be as enticing since less capital flow needs to occur for business and production to occur to begin with in this situation. So I wouldn't be surprised to hear companies passing up on govt benefits.

And the government letting the people urn to homelessness and crime isn't my plan. It's what I'm saying is going to happen because nobody is out here trying to play hero. They're trying to get rich.

Lastly, a touch screen at the McDonalds is different from an automated car. A touch screen at the McDonalds is not automation, anon. It's you doing the same exact thing the cashier does. Automation would be a robot in the back flipping the patties. You doing the cashiers job is just McDs cutting out the middle man.

>>95264864
Wow you got me, I really shouldn't have said the government is perfect.

But really at some point a government has no choice but to step in especially in a democracy. Even just a very high amount of automation can cause such a huge number of people with no options something would be done otherwise society could become unstable. You don't want a huge number of hobos with no options, it's why we don't want more unskilled immigrants. But if a business sees even short term profit they take it.

Full automation is a question of when not if and we have to deal with that.

>>95264701
>reek of someone with no vision and is angry about it
Projection, much? I'm talking about corporations not having to bend their backs and automate everything for everyone. Where the hell are you getting the idea that I've remotely implied that every company is a mega corp that's going to automate everyone out of a job? Obviously some companies don't have the means to afford to invest in automation.

>>95260500
This is exactly why Rick C137 hates the Council of Ricks. It's a government created with the purpose of keeping Ricks safe from being hunted down by other governments so of course they regulate and control the use of portal guns.

Biggest problem is probably that Portal Guns are expensive and regulated within their society and Portal Fluid is also regulated and expensive so most Ricks can't freely afford to access the very invention that is the whole reason the government is even chasing them.

C137 hates the council because of exactly this, it robs Ricks of their freedom to do whatever they want and to fuck around exploring the multiverse by regulating multiverse travel and making a bunch of dumb rules. Though to be fair, the state we saw it in in this episode was probably in significant part because Rick completely wrecked the place and murdered all of their leaders, thereby causing them to be at a massive resource deficit and without proper leadership for months.

>>95264860
Again, you're thinking about megacorps or small cottage industries and ignoring everything else. A car is a poor example as it requires a large number of closley toleranced and bulky parts that would be infeasable to make in a small setup. CNC machining parts is a booming industry right now that is largley between boutique and full factory setting. Like I said, just because you lack vision does not mean everyone else does.

There will always be small fish and whales, you dont need to be either.

>>95264946
>people pay the prostitutes money
You obviously are not familiar with the sex robot industry. You seem to have this idea that if a small number still choose real then it stops the large scale change

>has already happened in the past before
In different times with different standards. The west is a democracy now with people use to better quality of life and certain human rights obligations.

>The government would might step in
It is a choice between marauding hobos destabilising the country and finding money. I don't think you get what it would mean for the majority if not whole of the working class to not have anything else

>A touch screen at the McDonalds is not automation, anon. It's you doing the same exact thing the cashier does.
That is exactly what automation means, you replace a human with a robot who does that same job.

>>95264913
And what if the dregs decide they want more? What of on average they keep having kids? What if they see someone working and dont like they have more? At what point do you stop?

Basic income doesnt work because it assumes everyone is exactly equal or at the very least cant be manipulated by someone who wants more power

>>95264955
Full automation requires fully functional AI, if that happens before a major extinction event if up in the air and even then you wont be seeing it in your lifetime unless you are like 12 and plan on living for 90 more years

>>95265045
>Again, you're thinking about megacorps or small cottage industries and ignoring everything else
No I'm not, so only megacorps and small industries have computers?

Can a medium size company not by machinery as it lowers in price over time? I am not saying suddenly everyone will be automated, it is a process which we are in right now. At one point only big companies can afford something, tech improves, changes size and gets cheaper and then other medium or smaller business can afford it. In fact the medium ones will get it before the small so your point is really off.

>Like I said, just because you lack vision does not mean everyone else does.
You said that to someone else

>>95260500
/co/, you make fun of reddit fans, who acts like it's super deep and meaningful show, but you act no better. Can't you just watch the show without overthinking retarded things like this?

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>>95265216
>/co/

>>95265073
>noun: automation; plural noun: automations
>the use of largely automatic equipment in a system of manufacturing or other production process.

You doing the cashiers job is not automation because the order being placed is not automatic. You manually deal with the touch screen yourself and do the job of the cashier. It'd be automation (albeit pointless automation) if they built a robot that stood at the register and pushed the buttons as you told it what you wanted. As it stands, it's not machine automation though, it's you doing the cashiers job. They've basically just turned the register around and replaced the cash drawer with a dollar, card, and coin slot.

>>95265236
Yes, i'm reddit, you caught me.

>>95265157
Of you had any idea of the mimbers of people needing to be involved with your automation you wouldn't be making such dumbass assumptions about automation. Until there is full AI there will always need to be about the same number of drafters, engineers, and machine techs now and I stand by this. Planning basic income or any number of other harebrained schemes around tech that isnt here yet and increasingly looking like it won't come anytime soon is retarded.

>>95261356
I think that was a comic story.

In the Doofus universe, everyone is their opposite. Rick is a Doofus and Jerry is a god among men, with unparalleled charisma.

>>95260607
>It's been long established that not all Ricks are created equal, and infinite timelines means infinite variations in Rick personality, style, and intelligence
but not a single variation on his age? that's inconsistent.

>>95265155
If you are going that route then full automation is not possible cause at some point someone pressed the on button

>>95265242
>largely automatic equipment in a system of manufacturing or other production process.
How does that contradict me, if it was voice activated would it now count? If I point at something I want and a human cashier responds is that not them really doing their job?

You have a role, cashier. Now instead of going to the cashier you got to the robot who serves the same function. That is automation

>>95265386
Because the cashiers job is him taking your order, pushing the appropriate buttons and swiping your card or putting your money in the drawer. You, the customer, now do all of those small tasks with the exception of the drawer being swapped for a coin/dollar slot.
The machine isn't serving the same role as the cashier or automating the position by doing work in an automated fashion. The cashier just straight up lost their job, and you're manually working (by pushing touch screen buttons) with what's basically a vending machine.

A self driving car automatically takes you to your destination and calculates how it should best accomplish it's objective. It, the machine, took over the work from the job that used to be you driving and now handles that work itself.

The touchscreen kiosk doesn't do that. You still handle your money and place your order manually. No work is automated or optimized. It's just a kiosk with buttons for the person to push and put their money in.

>>95265331
No full automation requires a computor to THINK like a person, to take

>I want part X, here is a sketch or a vauge description. Make it happen for under material and machine time cost and in about three months
>also we don't have the machines, the material needed is some random super alloy our sales department shilled that isn't commercially available or more expensive than gold and it has about four impossible but critical dimensions

And do it without becoming the machine from 'I Have No Mouth, and Must Scream' this is the reason why they call it Computer AIDED Design. A computor does what it is told and with capacitor space running out as exponential miniaturization slows down until a breakthrough in quantum computing that is ACTUALLY applicable instead of some dumb shit in Popular Science that is hyped up it will never be even nearly as simple as 'pressing a button'

>>95265582
>Because the cashiers job is him taking your order,
So it is now automated, automation does not mean it happens the exact same way just the same role. Do factories have no automation cause they don't have little robot men but instead big arms and weird machines?

>You, the customer, now do all of those small tasks
Lets read the definition again
>largely automatic equipment
Largely automated, not fully, not does everything exactly the same. Largely as in there can still be interaction but a machine has replaced some role.

>The machine isn't serving the same role as the cashier
You do not place an order with this machine? Again if it was voice activated would it now count? If I point at something I want and a human cashier responds is that not them really doing their job? Cause if so the distinction seems pretty silly.

Automation does not mean there is never any human interaction ever again. You can argue that for fully automated but this is just automation

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>>95265674
You know, maybe we assume artificial intelligence will go crazy because there is literally no way to interact with human society without being crazy.

Given that the emotionality of Rick's and Morty's has been shown to be a tangible resource I wouldn't be surprised if there's some evil rick that took advantage of the citadel long ago and intentionally put rick's in dumbshit jobs that could be done by a robot to make them all miserable and somehow get some kind of gain from it. Maybe so he can fuck off around the multiverse doing whatever the hell he wants

I know there's the evil morty but he had a rick at some point

>>95265818
I do hope we get real evil Rick in show eventually.

>>95262194
>how did they arrive at the citadel
I don't know how much we can trust Rick's flashback from the first episode, but by the looks of it, advanced Ricks travel through the multiverse looking for inferior Ricks to join the citadel.
Probably why they stay there, they were brought there with a portal gun or a space ship ,but they don't actually know how to make/use any of those things.

>>95265950
For christ sake it HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED they all have approximately the SAME IQ the main thing is thier motivation and willingness to not go back to the carpet store

>>95260500
That episode was pure kino, don't even try to deny it.

>>95266059
>For christ sake it HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED they all have approximately the SAME IQ
Where does my post says otherwise?

>>95264574
Are you sure he was flown to a new universe?

Maybe they just flew him and the other Morty's to the boarding school to get assigned to Morty-less Ricks.

Even if that wasn't the plan, it would have taken time to "foster" the Morty's with Morty-less Smith families, so they'd need to be on the Citadel while that process was underway.

>>95265724
Factories have automation because the same task is being accomplished with a robot doing the work which was handled before by a human, which is building the car.

With the touchscreen kiosks, you place an order. You the customer place the order. It's not the machine listening and calculating the best way to input the order, take your change, etc. It's you doing the work the cashier did with what's probably the same screen they used before the kiosks were built (cashiers have been working with the same touchscreens they're putting on the kiosks now from behind the counter for a while now). If it was voice activated and it actually pushed buttons, took your change and put it in a drawer or something, then yes it would be automated. If it was just voice activated but you still counted your own change for input, took things off the order yourself, etc. manually, then it's definitely not automation. It's really is just you doing the cashiers job.

Now if what you're trying to get at is the fact that it's a machine taking an order and passing it back or calculate how much money to give back in change, then you and I are on different pages. The register has been doing that job for the cashier for years now and their job is literally to stand there and push buttons. Ergo, the kiosk doing those same tasks wouldn't qualify as the cashiers job being automated as its not their job to begin with and they weren't doing those things, the register was. Not to mention, cashiers haven't done those kinds of things since like the 90s.

>>95266059
Just because they have the same IQ doesn't mean they have the same knowledge.

>>95265027
Maybe it was inevitable by some Murphy's laws about bureaucracy and C137 only catalyzed the process.

>>95266241
>because the same task is being accomplished
So it is is not required to happen the exact same way, this is what you admit here. The same outcome happens but not in the same way and humans interact with it differently. Therefore if the machine serves the same function, but does not act the exact same way it is automation.

>calculating the best way to input the order, take your change
But they do both, many even have card readers

>If it was voice activated and it actually pushed buttons
But the factory machines don't work the exact same way as the people did yet you counted it. You've already admitted it just has to serve the same roll. Plus you ignore the question about pointing with a human cashier, because then by your second definition you'd have to admit this is automation. The same roll is fulfilled

>then it's definitely not automation
>the use of largely automatic equipment in a system of manufacturing or other production process.
Is it largely automatic equipment in a system of production? Yes. Does it also take the roll of a human even if we do say it is literally the exact same screen? Yes cause there is no longer an employee and a customer just a customer. is the same function preserved? Yes, food is ordered.

> the register was
You seem confused by the word automation despite defining it, it is a process. By taking some function away from humans and giving it to a machine that is automation, it does not mean going from human to no humans only robots doing everything. Tills were a step in automation, all machinery has been as it automates a process. It still required am employee and a customer but the employee now had more automated for them. Now we have equipment that removes one human for another machine, this is another step in automation

>>95265312
Ricks can only find versions of themselves using DNA matches. Citidels will be made of ricks the same age by necessity. Different age ricks would have their own citidels because by default they would have different DNA signatures. Because they were made with different sperm/egg combos.

does Rick and Morty unironically have the deepest lore?

>>95262316
probably as a system of control and or to keep the ricks busy and from finding out their ricktopia is just as corrupt as any other government.

>>95266791
No and it really doesn't try to. A lot of it is made up as they go along and they didn't really give the 'plot' much importance until this season.

>>95260500
probably ended up trapped in his life on the citadel like most people end up in the city.
Really, citadel life was an analogy of what it's like to live under capitalism

>>95264574
So, they were sending the Morties back to their home dimension. So, where did Evil Morty go to? Is his dimension so broken that they just dumped hin in Mortytown from where he built his way up to presidency?

>>95265106
Basic income is minimum wage and you get it for graduating high school.

You can get more by getting a degree, which bumps you up to the next base pay. Max base pay is a doctorate. All additional money comes from holding a job.

Essentially, everyone has enough money to survive, but if you actually WANT things, you have to work for it.

>>95261631
Sauce on the girl

>>95260549
This sums up half of the complaints on this board.

>>95266606
I counted factory machines because factory machines are doing the job the people did.
Kiosks are not doing the job of the cashier. The person is doing the job of the cashier. The cashiers job is to work the register/kiosk behind the counter. All McDonald's has done is turn the register around and tell the cashier to go home. Nothing was automated in the sense of a humans job being replaced by machine labor. The actual labor (pushing buttons and handling change) has been put on the customer. The work you think the cashier does for some reason (taking orders and passing it back to the cooks) actually has been handled by the register for close to two decades now and therefore doesn't even count as being aa job lost to automation since that wasn't part of a modern cashiers duties to begin with.

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Any Rick who rejects the citadel and it's ways is closer to being the one true rick.

>>95260500
It's a good analogy for modern life. So many people live in cities with miserable jobs, and are afraid to leave them for something else even if that something is better.

They become complacent but safe in their daily drudge, and taking a chance is something they forget how to do. Such is the case of so many ricks living on the citadel and just being fine living as sheep among similar minded people like them.

Meanwhile the rick of the show we follow rejects that premise and has near death experiences on a daily basis.

>>95263453
Google agbotics it's a fully automated farm the size of 2 football fields

>>95260608
>He wasn't thinking straight because he was angry, something main Rick has shown a tendency for.
But... the regular Rick pretty much never stops thinking straight when he's angry. He does things that he regrets, but he's still thinking straight. Just a little while ago, there was an episode where he drunken and angrily takes out a multi-world bad dude and created several more death traps in a single night. There hasn't been an instance where he got angry and then resorted to just shooting someone and nothing else.

duuuuude last two episodes have been really good. i rly hope they dont dissapoint with the end of the season

>>95267658
But Ricks getting killed is somehow of a usual basis on the Citadel, so what, those are allowed to leave?

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Even though identity of candidate morty was pretty much obvious since moment with spy rick, I couldn't help but get chills when For the damaged coda kicked in. And whole episode overall is absolutely fantastic. They've really outdone themselves.

Man this episode was GOAT. Easily one of, if not the best episode in the entire series. I fucking love the Citadel and I'm so happy they gave it a spotlight.

>>95260500
-he wanted an unregistered one so he couldn't be tracked
-he doesn't have the materials or resources to make real ones on the citadel
-the same reason people don't in real life
-he was backed into a corner and had no choice, thinking/hoping it would work

>>95261464
I thought that too, but he seemed smarter than Tall Morty.

>>95262316
More importantly whats the point of the labor if any Rick can harvest matter from a star?

>>95260500
They came from dumber universes.

>>95260500
There are probably still differences in IQ between various Ricks and even if those difference are insanely small, it would still have an impact when the entire civilization is Ricks. If one Rick is even slightly superior to another, you can bet he's going to make sure he's on top. Right Rick obviously made some poor decisions to end that way,

Most importantly, you have to consider that being in the council of Ricks seem to change Rick, which he himself points out in their first appearance when he accuses them of becoming what they're supposed to hate. Being around a society of Ricks seems to suck them in and influence their mindset.

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>>95260500
>Why doesn't the one on the left have a portal gun?
>Why is the one on the right making fake portal guns?
They're clearly restricted, or not everyone can afford one or buy the things necessary to make one.
>Why didn't left just leave his job if he didn't like doing it instead of chimping out knowing it would end badly for him?
The same reason people don't leave their shitty jobs IRL. He needs money to live.
>Why did right try to use his defective portal tech?
He didn't know it was defective. How is that a question?

>>95266059
My IQ is pretty high but I'm an achievementless waste of space while other people with similar IQ's are scientists and titans of industry

>>95264552
it's really sad when you put it like that

>>95266291
or motivation
or lack of conscience.

>>95260500
A single rick invented the teleport gun and gave the algorithm to most of the other ricks in the multiverse. Some Ricks were brought to the citadel simply because they are ricks, but that doesnt mean they were given the formula. Theres a caste system where the elites were given the formula while the rest are blue collar workers

>>95267266
>to live under other people
You ain't going to make commissar or poltibureau under socialism, bud.

The real question is: where all the women at?

>>95260500
Niether of them are as smart as the MC Rick, who is the smartest man in the universe and also (presumably) the smartest Rick. You see full fucking retard Rick's in the citadel in canon, is it so hard to believe that there's average Joe intelligent Rick's there? There's infinite dimensions, so there should be a roughly equal number of genius, average, and idiot Ricks.

I wonder if any of the Ricks still have a living wife and if we'll ever get to see her with another Rick eventually.

>>95263784
No, you're wrong. That's why we saw the Rick in Morty school, and in an earlier episode the Rick Jerry liked. The factory worker said his I was the same as his boss, but that doesn't mean they were the same as ALL Ricks.

Besides, IQ isn't meant to measure how smart you are, just your potential for intelligence and how good you are at learning.

Makes more sense if you ignore the IQ part as being BS and assume there are dumb ricks

>>95268939
I didn't say under other people, tho.
I said capitalism.
Pretty specific.

>>95269169
IQ is bs is real life too so I'm good with that.

>evil morty causes citadel to try to kill rick
>knows that rick will fight them
>ricks fight ends up blowing up and killing large parts of the citadel
>evil morty capitalizes on the power vacuum and wins election

Just how smart is this morty?

>>95269058
Pretty much this.

>>95260500
I think it is settled that mostly the not-so-smart Ricks are actually living in the Citadel.

Also, Evil Morty is Doofus Rick's Morty.

>>95269215
Ricks that can't take care of themselves rely on the citadel.

And Doofus Rick doesn't have a Morty. He said he never got married.

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>that morty who wanted incest porn to be mainstream

fucking kek

>>95269290
There is still a Morty for him. For every Rick there is a Morty that cancels his waves out.

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more important question, why are these adults allowing a child to drink alcohol

>>95269513
Same reason they allowed Morty to be raped by an adult woman in the previous episode.

>>95267594
It's already been said a lot of time (by the council of Ricks), that C137 is the Rickest Rick

>>95269204
Probably as Smart as Ricks

>>95263696
How is an alien soldier saying "he can do that because he's the smartest man in the universe" figure of speech?

>>95269367
That's not a universal truth or an assured fact, it's just a method Ricks like to use. Evil Rick had like a thousand Mortys and all of them cancelled his brainwaves, it's not a one-to-one.

>>95269529
Women can't rape men.

>>95269788
White men can't jump.

>>95269513
I can so clearly see Bipper imprinted into this drawing. Get ready for the wave of fanart people; we're going off the deep end.

>>95269788
Not everyone live in UK ya know, there is laws to protect boys from abuse from sick fucks in other countries.

>>95269747
Evil Morty kidnapped a thousand Morty's to hide the entire base in a pocket dimension.

>>95262744
Not really. You forget each universe has a galactic government and each and every Rick is a wanted criminal if they have a portal gun. Citadel was formed as a safe haven for Rick's. Those Rick's eventually started a government and then all this shit happened. Regulation of portal guns, and essentially submissive behavior of ricks for a gurantee of never being hounded at every step by the government. We see it time and time again how the galactic government tried to get Rick going even so far as to have a deep cover assassin marry his best friend. So them falling into this mediocraty makes sense. They all falter and fall because of that fear and then get exploited by the Rick's who have power.

>>95269058
The universal constant is Ricks are Ricks and Morty are Mortys how is this a hard concept for you idiots

>>95269747
Yeah, but still. The dumber and more evil the rick, the smarter and more goodhearted his Morty, and Doofus Rick is the dumbest and most goodhearted Rick in the universe. So it makes sense that the smartest and most evil Morty is his.

Also note how he kind of mentions that without any context. Why did the writers make him mention he has no Morty? There is probably some background story to that we are going to hear.

Also gives evil Morty a motive: He wants to take revenge on all the Ricks for making fun of his Rick.

>>95269173
Yeah, that is fucking stupid.

>>95269839
She inconvenienced about as much as someone slipping 1000 bucks into your pocket and running away.

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>>95269837
you weren't here during season 1?
evil morty's been a fan fave for years

>>95270040
I know. But his reappearance will just come with a vengeance. Back then we only had a Morty with an eyepatch. Now we also have suits, man, fucking suits. It's gonna be stronger than it's ever been.

Where are the female Ricks? In a multiverse of infinite possibilities, there must be some where Rick is a woman.

>>95265312
i also guess that theres some time stasis on the citadel
once a rick arrives he stops ageing
same for mortys i guess

>>95270084
You see female Doofus Rick and female Jerry in the comic

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>>95270078
>fucking suits
nothing can beat the power of the suit

>>95265298
Would like to add even doofus rick in that story was still able to cure cancer like it was nothing. His wisdom score is in the retarded negatives territory but smarts is still off the charts compared to a normal person.

>>95260500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cLxCjjJbnY

>>95269671
I don't know if he's as intelligent as Rick's but he certainly is a lot more cunning and clever. He played everyone like a goddamn fiddle.

>>95267743
what about that time at Birdperson's wedding he almost rushed straight into a shooting crowd before Squanchy stopped him

>>95270084
They probably have their own "girls only" council.
Just imagine Mortytown if there were Morticias there.

>>95270390
NICE

>>95265106
This is pretty retarded, there are work-arounds to solve these issues, like if someone wants to receive basic minimum income they have to be sterilized after a certain number of kids or else they're free to go try to make something work on their own. You could also say that people can only participate in the system if you work unless you're completely disabled or your work isn't needed, including taking any training and education you're required to do to do that work. That call this guaranteed employment and it just requires to do any work the system gives you to receive basic subsistence, otherwise you can opt out and not get it through that system. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Automation was created with the idea that fewer people would need to work fewer hours, that's the whole point of it. If society doesn't learn to work with that it will eventually fall apart as humans fail to adapt and society breaks down.

>>95270390
They already did a girls vs boys episode and the less that's said about it the better

>>95263453
Everything isn't automated because of some conspiracy shit. Its because we don't have the tech/algorithms to fully automate everything yet.

China for example a couple months back opened its first fully automated factory. As costs come down, humans get use to interacting with machines, and it becomes more practical, the US in turn will begin automating as much shit as possible.

As for humans themselves, that is why some political movements and groups are moving to drive society into a continuous learning evolution by creating a culture where people are constantly learning and education is easily accessible.

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NINTENDO GIVE ME FREE STUFF

>>95270491
Never said they should repeat that. I'm just guessing that Ricks, both male and female prefer to keep Morties and Morticias apart from each other.

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>>95269837
>I can so clearly see Bipper imprinted into this drawing. Get ready for the wave of fanart people; we're going off the deep end.

Dude that already happened years ago including Evil Morty getting added to that crossover fujoshit shota AU about evil shotas who are gay with each other or something. He's been in it a while.

>>95263623
And then where do the factory workers go? Suddenly we have a working class with no jobs.
I always assumed that in such a situation they'd migrate to a country that wasn't yet automated where their skills are still needed. Once their generation passed, there would be no new need to train more factory works, and they'd become a novelty job like blacksmith or soda jerk.

We've known since Doofus Rick that not all Ricks are created equal.

>>95270588
>And then where do the factory workers go?
School
Alternatively they just drink beers and fish on the riverside

>>95270629
Sorry, I meant to say
>And then where do the factory workers go? Suddenly we have a working class with no jobs.
I always assumed that in such a situation they'd migrate to a country that wasn't yet automated where their skills are still needed. Once their generation passed, there would be no new need to train more factory works, and they'd become a novelty job like blacksmith or soda jerk.

>>95270657
Sorry, I meant to say
School
Alternatively, they drink beers and go fishing on the riverside

>>95269367
Yeah, in the episode he says he never had a Morty of his own, so they gave him the ugly Morty who's name I can't remember.

>>95269954
>The dumber and more evil the rick, the smarter and more goodhearted his Morty
maybe i'm forgetful, but when was this established?

>>95260500

Autism aside, the real answer is so they could make a funny episode whose plots are parodies of things like cop dramas, political dramas, Harry Potter, etc. If this was some utopia that looked nothing like our own society you couldn't do the satire the show is built on. It's a comedy and you're thinking about it way too hard.

If you want to fan justify it you could say it's because Ricks tend to be dysfunctional jerks and that they are usually only smart in some ways but not others, so they fuck up everything around them and themselves. For the levels of chaos and destruction you see here, they can't be that good at actually running a society or security.

>>95270629
>School

How do they pay? They have no job.

>>95269970
not an argument

>>95270764
Why charge em

>>95270735
>autism aside
>gives an autistic answer instead of coming up with an in-universe one

what did he mean by this

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If you open yourself to the idea that the fabricated memory from the first episode of this season has some truth to it then there's an explanation.

Most of the Ricks of the citadel only have access to Interdimensional Travel because they were given it by other Ricks. And being given a Portal Gun instead of making one yourself comes with the drawback that it becomes traceable, essentially forcing you to fall in line with Citadel order because they can hunt you down if you go rogue.

>>95270764

No charge. Just train them to do whatever you need or want, like conducting research or just helping out other people in the community in any way they can. There will probably always be something we can put people to work doing, like learning more about the universe or making entertaining shit.

>>95265950
It's also implied with this episode that "Simple Rick" was taken from his dimension seemingly by force, as he used his intellect in other ways (caring for his daughter). It's unlikely that THAT Rick ever made a portal gun at all.

>>95270801
>>Why charge em

Because you need to pay the staff at the school. Unless you expect them to work for free.

>>95270498
>conspiracy shit
Where did you get that idea from the post you replied to?

>>95270817
>doesn't understand how autism works

The autistic answer is sperging up a bunch of "headcanons" the writers probably didn't even consider because they just wanted to tell jokes. It's fine if you have fun. But the real answer to why shit happens in Rick & Morty or The Simpsons is it's because it was funny.

>>95270858
>Our Rick ate some the candy
>has the memory cause that what the drug does
>uses it instead of his own for a false backstory

>>95270867
No you can pay those guys

>>95270867

Usually the idea for easing into a post scarcity society involves an automation tax for exactly this purpose. There's a reason so many tech CEOs have come out supporting that leading into a BMI. Something like that will likely be needed eventually. As tech and society changes, the economy needs to change and adapt with them into something new that fits.

>>95270925
>No you can pay those guys

Where are you getting the money to pay them if nobody's paying you?

>>95271027
Tax

>>95271027

Automation tax.

https://qz.com/911968/bill-gates-the-robot-that-takes-your-job-should-pay-taxes/

>>95269954
Was rewatching older eps, DR doesn't even have a family to begin with which means Morty doesn't even exist in his world.

>>95270871
Eh probably misclicked from deep diving down the chain. But the point is automation isn't going to make the world like cyber punk novel #2423. It'll be a much more controlled approach of old jobs dying and new jobs being born. After all, people have been claming this shit since the cotten gin and earlier.

And for the kiosk being automation, most sites agree that the kiosks used in fast food/retail stores for self serve is counted as automation. Apps also fall into this category as well. Automation seems to be any type of device/program/software/etc that eliminates what was or would have required an employee.

>>95260500
not every Rick cracked the code. The first few that figured it out crossed over to other Rick dimensions and recruited them, regardless of whether or not they made the same progress.

Most of them apparently have the same IQ but excel in different areas. The influx of Ricks coalescing in the same place created a hierarchy and a grab for control by the craftiest and shittiest Ricks of them all, who abused the system into convincing the lesser-willed Ricks into menial tasks like assembly lines and soldiers.

>>95262316
it's less about efficiency and more about establishing control in a society where everyone is you.

>>95271050
>>95271050
>>95271050
>>95271050

But if nobody is making any money because they don't have a job (because robots took it) and they can't buy shit from the corporations that own the robots, how do the corporations make the money to pay the automation tax?

>>95271117

Read:

https://qz.com/911968/bill-gates-the-robot-that-takes-your-job-should-pay-taxes/

>>95269513
it's apple juice, dumbass

>>95260500
You still need access to books and build off prior human knowledge to create things
It's not like we could've made a nuclear reactor by one man's genius in the 1700's

>>95271117
Basic income

>>95270598
not even just doofus Rick, the council of Ricks implies they enjoy a higher status than the regular Ricks of the Citadel, and there's even that stupid scene in season 1 where our Rick is outsmarting all the Rick soldiers. And Ricks being soldiers who listen to other people's commands? That's fucked up by Rick's standards.

>>95271133
your double dubs make a compelling argument, but why would Ricks keep apple juice in a fancy crystal decanter?

>>95271195
I always figured they were following orders only ironically

>>95270894
autism is not having the creativity to create a fantasy and giving the literal answer of "It's because the writers said so"

>>95271250
lets not be talking about autism now, tripfag.

>>95271265
Tripfag btfo

>>95270477
Automation wasn't for the betterment of mankind, it was for the betterment of man. If you sterilize people you're going to get riots unless you do it secretly in which case congratulations, you diminished your country's long term viability because your dumbass can't grasp you don't do mass genocide of people to better serve robots. Automation by your definition means no one is going to be employed so everyone gets sterilized.

>>95270844
Research for what? How to make avocado toast? Dumbass liberal arts degree holders thinking they can somehow dictate policy is funny as it is horrifying.

>>95271166
FROM WHAT FUCKING MONEY

Holy shit, you people are genuinely delusional, please go to Venezuela or North Korea and fuck off

>>95271350

Goddamit read:

https://qz.com/911968/bill-gates-the-robot-that-takes-your-job-should-pay-taxes/

>>95271350
You're getting mad because you fail to present your arguments properly. You seem to be imagining a world where literally nobody works and nobody implemented policy, while the policies of the people arguing with you are meant to be implemented before that end point of automation.

>>95271131
This literally solves nothing as companies already have offshore, how the hell are you going to enforce that without forcing companies to stay in thier home country or completely closing off thier economies? And it's a stopgap pipe dream from a billionaire who made his billions mistreating Indian and Chinese workers after mistreating US coders got too expensive.

>>95271397
I'm imagining a world where people act like they currently do as nothing indicateds that there will be a massive social evolution where everyone acts like a listless college student.

>>95271409
>how the hell are you going to enforce that without forcing companies to stay in thier home country or completely closing off thier economies?
Israel has policies meant to punish companies outside Israel while promoting ocmpanies inside it and they're doing pretty well. Why do you assume we can't do that?

>>95271409
The real answer is it requires using somewhat protectionist economic politics and balancing gains with losses in a careful way. While some people usually do leave under such circumstances, others usually step up to fill in the gaps who are happy with a somewhat more stable system, and you get something more like the Nordic countries (although those have a high degree of economic freedom, this would involve only strategically curtailing economic freedom).

>>95271434
Did you just have a stroke

>>95271362

This tax only applies to automation in one single industry to offset some of the costs. It doesn't apply to automation in every industry that would result in nobody working because all work is done by robots.

And if you can make the argument that you shouldn't fully automate all industries, it becomes an issue of which ones shouldn't and who should be forced to work them and why they would when everybody else can get away with not working.

>>95271453
Because Israel is a hyper patriotic ethnostate? That would be like asking why the US can't have a cost effective nuclear program like North Korea.

>>95271465
It would involve shutting down immigration as well unless you want a migrant crisis, are you all just fucking Nazis trying to push the national socialism meme?

>>95271490
>dude just go back to school
>dude just stay there
>dude no one needs to get paid man
>because no one is really working
This is the fantasy of a college freshman who wants to stay that way forever and wonders why anyone would ever either not want that or move on from that

>>95271537
They are not an ethnostate their population is mostly Muslim

>>95271453
the US has tried policies like that and the world courts have ruled that it's "unfair" to other countries and have told the US to knock it off

>>95271569
Yeah pulling levers is truly what people are passionate about
God forbid they can find something better to do

>>95271580
That is constantly targeted and abused.
>>95271600
Yeah, being a faceless cog in a bureaucracy poking mice or staying at home is what people are really passionate about.

>>95263019
capitalism. capitalism is this you could automate things but make other doing shitty work and being busy not contest your power is way better.

>>95271689
And how would socialism under rock be any different? At that point they would just shoot or imprison those who don't play ball

>>95260500
Who the fuck writes season 3? It's fucking worse than wubdubdub shit.

>>95269688
yes. It means they consider him as such and he is very capable. but it doesn't mean that he is scientificaly the one.

>>95270326
Yeah their PERSONALITIES are opposite, but their base traits are the same.

The story basically said Jerry has the biological potential to literally be king of the fucking world if he wasn't such a spineless piece of shit.

>>95271714
The goal of libertarian socialist is to remove financial capital out of the picture, so there is no profit motive getting in the way of automation.

Evil morty is the only interesting character in the show because there is only one of him

>>95271861
That is somehow dumber than socialism and libertarianism combined

>>95263482
And they take morties with them to cloak their genus waves cause morties are dumb, and yet one morty not only killed bunch of ricks under sheep skin, but now run their government.

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>>95260500
I know man. I can't believe that they would depict ricks having varying levels of intelect across multiple universes. They've never hinted at the possibility that some ricks might dumber than others.

>>95261631
what was the pic

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>>95271944
Except Doofus Rick was still very smart.

>>95271890
but the show is trying to say every Rick and every Morty is unique

>>95271923
not an argument.

>>95271974

But they're not

>>95270556
who is the artist of the image?

>>95271964
Getting along with jerry is a sign of mental deficiencies.

>>95262316

The cookie itself should be a hint to that answer.

>>95260500
Being the smartest man in the universe means jackshit when you're faced with an entire society of people just as smart as you.
Also alternative realities means that not every Rick is going to be as capable as the typical Rick.

>why didn't left just leave his job if he didn't like doing it instead of chimping out knowing it would end badly for him?
Why don't you leave the job you hate?

>>95271861
A lot of socialist want this, not just libertarians.
Also, because machines get in the way of extracting surplus value for the capitalist, it makes it that much more difficult to move away from the old relations of production. If commodities are only produced by constant capital, their profits would stagnate. This is not an issue for the socialist, since they produce for use-value.

>>95272193
Capitalists aren't a group of shadowy fat cats, they are literally anyone that engages in capitalism, by removing profit motive you remove motivation and most importantly organization needed.

Libertarian socialism is just a socialist saying that they might not kill or sterilize you for not giving your time for free to the 'collective' which sonhaooens yo be either headed by completely benevolent people who are incorruptible or people who seem very much like an idealized version of themselves.

>>95263490
This. It's why the pitch directed towards Simple Rick in 'Rickdemption' is so specious; while the collective 'Infinite Rick' is indeed the most powerful intelligence in the multiverse just by sheer scale, it does nothing to elevate its individuals from their ultimate mediocrity and irrelevance. As a matter of fact, it merely reinforces their nihilism, as every Rick realises how infinitesimally insignificant their individuality really is.

This is arguably why C-137 manages to triumph over the others; he may not be the smartest nor the most ruthless of Ricks, but he is the most idealistic for maintaining his love for freedom and family where others have succumbed to despair, or attempted to fill the void with materialism and power-worship/lust. He is truly the Rick-est of Ricks, the Ubermensch to the last-men of the citadel, for protecting his world, his spirit and his principles when the rest of his kind have sacrificed all three out of selfishness.

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>>95271958
More like

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>>95272843
N-now do his o-face...

>>95262444
Be nice, he's probably a Jerry

>>95272675
>Capitalists aren't a group of shadowy fat cats
Some of them are, but that was never my point to begin with. I even believe there are capitalist who go against their self-interest, but that's besides the point. Capitalism's internal contradictions exist regardless of their benevolence.

>they are literally anyone that engages in capitalism
No they aren't.
They're consumers, nothing more. A capitalist is someone who owns the means of production and has wage laborers working under him. Everyone else is just a proponent of it.
>removing profit motive you remove motivation and most importantly organization needed.
Goes against everything motivational psychology says about incentive. In fact, statistically speaking, if you provide a material incentive for a job people would otherwise do, it actually hurts their performance. For instance, there were programs in the late 90s and early 2000's to incentive's kids to read in U.S. schools, but it actually backfired and hurt the grades of those who were already interested. They eventually got rid of it.

>Libertarian socialism is just a socialist saying that they might not kill or sterilize you for not giving your time for free to the 'collective'
Except it's not for free, considering basic needs are provided for. Also, labor vouchers that do not accumulate or circulate could be used to for products other than necessity goods. They are tied to abstract labor time.

> either headed by completely benevolent people who are incorruptible or people who seem very much like an idealized version of themselves.

You realize that under capitalist polyarchy, this is exactly what we have, right?
A large portion of socialist are for horizontal organization and sortition.

>>95273178
Capitalism is about acquisition, there is no contradiction unless you wont to pretend there is some higher meaning to life other than taking what you can for yourself

Consumers who labor for money in order to earn capital, hence they are capitalists unless you want to start using newspeak

And motivational psychologists are the ones running economies and getting people employed, right?

Why would abstract labor vouchers be any less useless than fiat currency or any number of inherently worthless tokens?

And you realise vertical heriarchy is impossible due to people's physical IQ distribution, correct? You aren't going to be getting everyone doing exactly what you want, to do that you need the same exact bureaucracy and heriacry of any other socialist regime

>>95271923
I don't know, I don't think it's going to be easy, but there probably is a system that supports innovation and efficiency more. Capitialism isn't really a system with thought behind it, just a process that ultimately only rewards short term accumulation of funds. The reason all functioning economies are mixed economies partially seems to be we can't get it to function without some sort of oversight from someone to prevent it from spinning wildly out of control and crashing. But maybe someday we will think of something better. But for now something with both oversight, regulation, some state supplied services and some amount of free market is just the only thing anyone has ever gotten to work.

>>95271327
>Research for what?
Medical research into how to fix diseases, disabilities, etc. through genetic engineering. Research into space travel and terraforming. Genetically engineering crops. All liberal arts education should be eliminated, and all children and adults should receive STEM education and contribute to STEM as is possible for them.

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>>95265865
C137 is evil Rick

>>95273385
There isn't wither you need to be okay that people are short live flotsoms who occasionally congregate together and there is usually a movement forward or you can try to micromanage everyone into misery and ruin.

The study bought up earlier is ACTUALLY pretty funny example of that, it failed because the kids HAD to read a certain kind of book in order to acheive the reward, it's an example against forcing people into career fields according to some gauge notion of what is a 'worthy' field.

>>95273482
So something people might not want to do nor be even capable of doing? In your automated society that shit is taken over by super computors anyway.

>>95273494
>One of the few Ricks who doesn't treat his family members like condoms or paperclips like the rest of the Citadel
>''''evil''''

He's impulsive and self-centred, but that's still a far-cry from genuine malice. And you could argue that the very conception of the Citadel, a honeytrap luring Ricks and Morties into perpetual bondage, is a far more heinous act than anything our Rick has ever done, even before considering its inconceivable masochism.

>>95262942
>man

he's a Morty, a child

>>95260500
W-were the Mortys sexually abusing rick?

>>95273567
>not want to do
If people don't want to do it, then they can opt out and just not receive the support. If they're incapable of doing anything needed or helpful, they'll need to be on disability. This at least give people a choice to opt in and survive by being productive, innovative, and hardworking, an option many people don't have today. But they'd be free to just don't participate and fend for themselves. But having the choice to not just die in a ditch, wasting all your abilities and education, would be nice. That's the alternative.

>>95273866
Well at least you are honest about wanting the vast majority of people dead in a ditch

>>95268669
Your IQ isn't pretty high, that's just a thing losers say to make themselves feel good because being intelligent but tragically unmotivated is an easier pill to swallow than just being unremarkable and boring with an unimpressive mind.

Nobody generally wants to feel like their entire being is just kind of bland and uninteresting.

You get dropped off in Mortytown by Rock and you're left to live out the rest of your life there.
What is the first thing you do?

>>95267343
Mortys with no home stay st the citadel and have a chance to go to morty school. Mortys with a home do go home if they are rickless.

>>95274095
The point is under a system where things are mostly automated and a tiny number of people control all the land and have all the capital, most people have no choice but to die in a ditch, or more likely be killed by the people controlling all the land and capitial since they're no longer needed. SOmething that gives people the option to contribute to society in any way they possibly can in exchange for being allowed to live at least have the option, however, of living. And that's the choice we're starting to see and will see more of in the future. This way, people have the choice not to die if they weren't born lucky.

>>95274104
>anon takes IQ test
>scores highly
>"isn't that interesting"
>does nothing with his life
>mentions he has a high recorded IQ in passing
>some easily offended brainlet reees over it

>>95273642
he lured a team of superheroes to their deaths because he was jealous that morty liked them. That was just this season

>>95274104
not sure why you find that hard to believe. 4chan most likely has the most concentrated high iq no accomplishment ratio in the world

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>>95273494
He's second most evil Rick according to Evil Morty who ranked all the Ricks from most to least evil. The most evil Rick (not counting Evil Morty remote controlling that other Rick) is some Rick we haven't seen who's apparently too weird for Evil Morty to have wanted to kidnap that one time, which is why he took the next most evil C137 Rick instead.

>>95274195
That assumes that future is very close or here already, sure in an ideal future with replicators and AI no one would need to work and can do thier own thing but that makes assumptions about the nature of why people work and who deserves to benefit.

If you can figure out how to stop natural distributions of power and resources without simply making another I'm sure others will be all ears but you are doing nothing but writing Utopia and it will be equally outdated looking bacm

>>95274225
>Tfw take an internet IQ test
>says I'm a fucking genius
>Whenever people tell me how much of a waste of carbon I am I just bring up that I'm a fucking genius because the internet says so.
Man that's sad. predicating your life's value on a worthless test instead of making something of yourself. You're the unremarkable brainlet anon.

>>95273482
>>95271327
>stemniggers will always be assflustered that someone with a basic stem degree is only marginally more employable than someone with a liberal arts degree due to degree saturation

lel

>>95274267
We can't possibly consider Evil Morty a reliable source. For all we know he was playing some kind of long con.

>>95274322
There's zero evidence he lied about that point. He was talking to a Rick he was about to murder, he had no incentive to lie.

>>95274372
Or maybe he never intended to kill C137 Rick, he just framed the whole thing as a way to take multiple Ricks out of the picture, and turn C137 Rick further against the Citadel leading to the destruction that weakened it enough for him to seize power.

Evil Morty pushed a guy into an assassination attempt to seize the votes he needed. Anything's possible.

>>95274311
>degrees in psychology and sociology are included in stem
>s-see you're all on the same boat I am
Not even close.

Why do Ricks stay in shitty jobs in the Citadel?

Put aside the societal commentary - why don't they leave the Citadel altogether? We know that there're bands of regularly adventuring Ricks and Morties, so why do they have to stay and work.

>>95274466
not every rick can make a portal gun, and once you're sucked into the citadel you can't go off on an epic space adventure to go and find the materials for it

>>95274311

Enjoy flipping those burgers.

Non-STEM university degrees shouldn't even be available. They're a waste of resources and money and should be illegal. I say this unironically and no one has a relevant argument to refute it. That's why when we talk about free or reduced rate college, we only ever mean STEM degrees. No other degrees should be available.

>>95261041
He used Satan's microscope in that one episode.

>>95274430
>Or maybe he never intended to kill C137 Rick, he just framed the whole thing as a way to take multiple Ricks out of the picture, and turn C137 Rick further against the Citadel leading to the destruction that weakened it enough for him to seize power.
He would've had to orchestrate the events with the Galactic Federation and the Bird Person's wedding too to make all that happen, which seems unlikely. It would take a lot less effort for Evil Morty to just kill all those Citadel Ricks himself or with a directly hired killer instead of going through all the trouble to have the Galactic Federation do a sting on Bird Person at his wedding which leads to C137 Rick going into hiding but then turning himself in but then escaping and switching bodies into another Rick so he can infiltrate the Citadel and teleport it into the Federation's secret area killing all those Citadel Ricks in the process. Like I get that cartoons have convoluted plots sometimes, but that's just ridiculous.
Also, we don't see Evil Morty looking pleased at the end of that first episode he was in after he gets defeated. He looks annoyed, like he's thinking about how to regroup and get back at everyone.

>>95274466
>Why do Ricks stay in shitty jobs in the Citadel?

Because it's a comedy where nonsense things happen all the time because they are funny and having a Smurf-village like place with little personality themed (Vanity Morty, Brainy Morty) Ricks and Morties is funny. That's it.

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>>95274521
I think they should be available but unable to be subsidised, the department's will shrink to core people and be able to be more reactive as they are less bloated. Private scholarships will step in and we will continue to have awesome people like Capwell nerding it up

>>95274466
I suppose you live there long enough, you start to become disillusioned in this society where everyone's supposedly equal except they're really not.

>>95274466
It's literally the exact same reason in same life though. They would leave if they could but they can't. they need to earn capital to survive. There is a system in place that everyone reluctantly agrees to. If you try anything that isn't agreed to you get killed.

>>95274504
So we have 2 classes of Ricks?

Portal gun-making Ricks that go on adventures, and crappy Ricks that don't?

>>95274573
Right, I'm just pointing out that the Citadel isn't that well thought out

>>95274599
But these are Ricks. Why would they even sign up to stick around in a Citadel when they could just be at home sciencing?

>>95274618
I don't believe the Citadel would be killing Ricks for trying to leave. After all, we know there are Ricks just adventuring around

>>95263483
>thinking the hyperloop is actually feasible

>>95274642
I said anything that isn't agreed to. They sell portal guns but they trace where you are with them. Which is why wageslave rick wanted an untraceable one

>>95274284
I didn't say no one would need to work.

I said under this system if people wanted to participate and couldn't hack it on the free market they'd have the option to do whatever needed or useful work the system assigns them in exchange for basic subsistence. Then, if they don't want to work, they can choose to die. The choice is work or death, but at least they do have a choice that's not death, while the other option is just...death with no chance of not dying.

I wouldn't consider such a world a utopia, but pragmatism. Since we can already provide enough food for everyone on earth with our current technologies, I think it's doable if everyone participating works with a very small percentage of extremely disabled being supporting by people overwhelming working hard all day every day doing whatever they need to do. I also never said you could choose what to do. If you can make a living on the free market, you can choose what to do. Otherwise, the system decides for you based on what must be done. Someone being supported by the system would also need to agree to sterilization to get basic subsistence.

I feel like you're not listening at all.

>>95274695
He wants an untraceable portal gun because he's going to be a fugitive after holding a factory hostage

Also that implies he could have otherwise gotten a traceable one, so why don't they leave?

>>95274521
I refute that. A college is a business and as a business looking to make money it makes more sense to pump out degrees in every field the students want, even to let them pursue gen ed or "create your own major" routes, because it keeps the money flowing. You go STEM only, you create a dead end on capital since a smaller fraction of students go STEM and you're left scrambling together money to pay for research labs, equipment, project grants, academic scholarships, and professor salaries on a smaller pool of money than you'd have if you'd just let the other students keep feeding you money to only end up probably dropping out, skipping class, or utilizing the old theater hall or being told the same old stories from rarely update books in the history, literature, and politics classes.

Unless you have a damn good Alabama-tier football team convincing the locals to come in and pay your school money out the ass weekly, your school likely won't be raking in the revenue it needs to float without the non-stem folks.