>"wow Diane, I can't believe this country finally

Big Guv REALLY wants the populace to be unable to defend themselves..

I really really really wish Diane would stop using her hair over her shoulders

>>95214440
I don't get why gun control is the standard liberal line of thinking when they also have so little trust in the police and other law enforcement agencies.
Like, I'm left-wing as shit but I'd never want the government to force the populace to give up their guns.

>>95214360
As someone from a country with lots of guns and no mass-shooting problem, I gotta tell you, guns are not America's problem. Americans are America's problem.

>>95214360
>I can't believe america hates women more than it loves guns
>...really?

It means they still salty

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>Japan has strict gun control

>virtually no crime

Is it because we have niggers and spics? is that it?

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>>95214593
Blame this country for glorifying violence.

You can see Glenn's head get bashed in by a meme bat on national television but you can't show a female nipple?

>>95214541
Because if you actually paid attention to your liberal politicians you'd know gun control isn't fucking "Ban all guns", it's a lot more in-depth than that and includes increased funding to forces investigating gun trafficking and more mental health institutions in poor areas.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/summary-president-obama-gun-proposals.aspx
People nitpick on the part about preventing mental health patients from getting guns but they could have just negotiated that part instead of shooting down the whole thing, so you know they're full of shit.

We can only hope this backfires next season.

"But we banned guns! Why are criminals still using them?"

>>95214735
>People nitpick on the part about preventing mental health patients from getting guns but they could have just negotiated that part instead of shooting down the whole thing

When have gun control advocates EVER been capable of making concesions? They just want to take more and more without giving anything in return. The goal is and will always be total disarmament.

Remember what it took to revert the AWB?

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>>95214669
Losing a world war really takes a toll on people. Japan's conviction rate is above 90%. If you get in trouble for almost any reason you're going to pay for it. Not to mention they're repressed beyond any comprehension.

I spent 4 years stationed in Japan and you pick up on some things like every black person in metro areas (especially Nigerians) are drug dealers. They always wear these thick coats that are brightly colored. Police refuse to deal with them because they don't want to chase them.

The gyms are always empty. Literally no one uses them except for maybe the cardio machines. I would workout at 7pm and there would only be 4 people in the entire 3 story gym with hundreds of machines.

There was only one time I saw the police do anything. There was a brawl in a McDonalds between two marines. It took 12 police officers to get them off each other. Kind of funny seeing 120 pound men getting thrown across the room as collateral damage.

>>95214784
This show wears it's political loyalty on it's sleeve, they wouldn't throw in a twist like that

>>95214784

the whole episode didn't make much sense because the mass shootings weren't even said to be happening on California and the whole thing was just Diane making women get guns as a feminist move(including a fucking manspreading gag) and it never had any consequence until some woman randomly, and completely unrelated to the fact commited a mass shooting, and they tried to play gun control as something anti-feminist.

i've never seen a show fumble with a topic so much before.

>>95217034
>every black person in metro areas (especially Nigerians) are drug dealers. They always wear these thick coats that are brightly colored. Police refuse to deal with them because they don't want to chase them.
kek
>the virgin Japanese police officer
>the chad Nigerian drug dealer

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>>95214541
This desu
>guys the police are untrustworthy and dont care about us
>but lets put 100% trust in them to respond in a timely manner to protect us from crime and bodily harm

>>95214593

>Bible belt US citizens are the world's problem

Ftfy

High rates of illiteracy, voting for stupid shit locally constantly (fuck off Tennessee with your stupid sterilisation plan for criminals, if you want to help people with drugs, create more rehabs), voting for stupid shit nationwide constantly (if you don't trust big government, STOP GIVING THE CIA MORE POWERS YOU FUCKS), and generally causing the national guard to be called in every half decade because black people being educated or not lynching the gays is just too wrong.

Problem is, the world emulates the US because your international western non-news media gives the impression that you're quite a reasonable nation, with a penchant for absurdism and self-deprecation. If you've never watched a US news channel, and merely watched their serial programs, you might think they merely have an extreme interests in many areas of society. You'd be very wrong in both cases.

>>95216686

>Wanting people who have been proven to be insane to have guns

See, this is exactly what I mean. You have countless cases of mass murderers with mental problems, and instead of going along with the idea that maybe they need therapy first, you defend your citizens rights to go what they see as chaotic neutral at any moment.

>>95214360

It's a joke. The US has a genie out of the bottle problem, even when states ban guns, they can just hop over to the next state to buy them. Hence why gun laws are Chicago are so ineffective, because you guys can literally drive for an hour or two and make them worthless.

Guns don't kill people, states not seeing eye to eye kills people.

>>95220063
>See, this is exactly what I mean. You have countless cases of mass murderers with mental problems,

Most of which werent diagnosed in the first place. Mental health backgrounds only really stop people who were depressed, or suffer PTSD, or any other mental disorder from being allowed to use guns instead of people who are actually fucking dangerous, because those dont get tested on their own, and their families dont help.

When you treat a rape victim the same way you do a schizophrenic you have a flawed system.

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>>95217034
There are also those Somalians who shit up a certain part of Akibara, drugging locals and tourists while stealing their bags.

Japanese police refuse to help if you're not Japanese yourself.

>>95214440
Lets be real, if the government wanted to come after you, guns wouldn't make a difference. You'd just get droned.

>>95220232

Columbine and Elliot Rodgers come to mind, though admittedly the Columbine shooters got their guns via a proxy. I'd suggest a social mental health system for the US, seeing as you'd never budge of a physiological one and with current events everyone could use help facing their problems, but eh.

And I agree with you on rape victims, they do get treated pretty piss poor.

>>95220295
this
i dont believe guns should be banned or anything like that but people using the "i need a gun to protect myself from the gubmint" are fucking retards

>>95220295
>>95220364
Drones can kill people, but there's a ton of military functions that have to be done by people, in which case guns are useful.

>>95214735
>we have to regulate more guns!
>guns are already regulated

nah, liberal politics are bullshit. i'll stick with being socialist with all the real leftists

>>95214360
It's California being California.

>>95214360
That lefties think that the only sensible legislation is ban all guns
It's a joke
Just like the next one about people hating women more than they love guns was also a joke

>>95220390
how the fuck are you going to stand up against the military? holy fuck what makes you think this? do you think you and a few other people will be able to defeat an entire army like this is a fucking video game or something?

>>95220449
That's not what the joke was though.

>>95220472
The army isn't just a bunch of unfeeling cold robots that only execute orders, even if it means opening fire on civilians.

>>95220504

if the army isn't going to shoot you then why do you need a gun?

>>95220449
it's not funny when you realize it's reinforcing propaganda that conflates liberals and leftists. liberals are not leftists. liberals are right of center laissez faire capitalists who use identity politics to divide people along lines of alienated labor.

gun regulations and bans are to create a manufactured scarcity so liberal business men can make money when they've invested in guns and after they support liberal politicians in office to scare the conservatives in to buying the product of businesses they've invested in.

leftists support the 2nd amendment. Karl Marx, Eugene Debs, Malcolm X and Huey Newton all supported the right to bear arms. they were leftists. not liberals.

>>95220472
You clearly have no clue what you're talking about yet look down on people who do, ironic

>>95220504
AND YET, hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians say otherwise

>>95220530
That's still not what the joke was. Also your conspiracy theory is deeply stupid.

>>95214669
>virtually no REPORTED crimes
That's how they do it in Japan, if they can't solve the crime they ignore it.

>>95220545
great argument

>>95214541
Gun violence is a cultural problem

>>95214669
NOPE. the answer is because they have an economy that works for the people, not corporations. left wing economies are more stable. it has nothing to do with identity politics. you can stop talking like a liberal at any time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_in_Japan

>>95220390
Did you see that dallas shooter? He was no green beret but basic training still gave him an advantage.

>>95214669
Yes. Canada has more guns than you. So do several European countries. The only places where you cannot freely give out fire arms are places where the populace cannot be trusted to behave respectably.
America is a fucking shit hole. Everyone is angry for one reason or another. If you want guns to stop you need to remove or passify large swathes of population.

>>95220063
>stupid sterilisation plan for criminals, if you want to help people with drugs, create more rehabs),
How is this stupid? We are aware of many of the genes that are responsible for predisposition to higher likelihood to become addicted or result in severely destructive behaviors and lifestyles. It'd be a lot cheaper, and do you actually want felons to have kids? We can throw them into for profit prisons for 30 years but not allowing them to have children is too far for you?

>>95220552
Iraqi civilians ≠ our civilians

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>>95220552

Iraq sure went alright for the US military right?

>>95220472
>how the fuck are you going to stand up against the military? holy fuck what makes you think this? do you think you and a few other people will be able to defeat an entire army like this is a fucking video game or something?

defeating a military =! defeating your own military.

Soldiers don't fight blindly for their leaders, they never have, they fight for the highest guy in command they agree with, a general or admiral saying "fuck you my division/fleet isn't standing up for this, i stand with THE PEOPLE" means an uprising turns into a civil war. In the US, we're talking about entire states flipping sides or cutting loose from the federal government.

Furthermore, waging a total war on your own populace means your soldiers will have no homes to return to, those are your highways, your infrastructure, your water, your food production, your factories and warehouses you're blowing up, and you'd be doing this with 500k tops against several hundred MILLION people.

>>95214669
>>virtually no crime
It's not crime because the Yakuza and the 60 year old one party government work together.

>>95220715
>the military would never shoot at us!
Yeah that's what the police are for.

>>95220063
>bible belt u.s. citizens are the world's problem

they literally are. i live here. i know these people. a lot of them are baby boomers and they're trash.

>the world emulates the US
you're also detached. the world does not emulate us, it hates us, and for good reason.

>chaotic neutral at any moment
because that's what it means to be any kind of lawful. fascists and patriots act like abused animals that still love and obey their master.

>giving the state more power
the state is controlled by capitalists

if you're anti-gun, you're on the wrong side of history.

>>95220728

IF THE SOLDIERS ARENT GOING TO FIGHT YOU THEN WHY DO YOU NEED A FUCKING GUN

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>>95220728

>>95220715
cool shifting goalposts, fascist. human beings are human beings. the cops exist to protect the ruling class and imprison the rest of us.

>>95220728
>soldiers don't fight blindly for their leaders

found those WMDs yet? tell us your opinions on the gulf of tonkin or IBM and the holocaust. i'll wait.

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>>95220755

for the federal agents and the government officials, their paid agitators and thugs, of course.

soldiers are loyal to their command up to a point, the police, the feds, the soup agencies, the rest of the cunts, different story.

>>95220472
>the point of the second amendment is to beat the military
Fucking retard

>>95214440
The government does not give a shit about your guns.
>they have more guns than you
>they know taking your gun is a logistical nightmare
>your guns aren't even that good

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>>95220790
up to the point that their buddes are getting killed. anything else they're too scared shitless or lazy to do anything about

>>95220571
What's the point in arguing with a person who believes that the purpose of the second amendment is so that a handful of guys can "kill an army like in a video game"

Do you think Jefferson wrote it with that intent in mind?

>America hates women more than it loves guns
That line made my eyes roll out of my sockets.

>>95220677

>How is it stupid to launch a eugenics program?
>A widely disproven area of science, associated with only the most mentally disturbed of societies, based on a fundamental misunderstanding of how genetics actually works
>Implying criminality is genetic, and not a societal problem in the vast majority of cases, especially in the US where jaywalking is a crime

Let's leave the futuristic dystopian societal problems for a futuristic dystopia, and not a state that (despite it's clear enthusiasm for them) can't source lethal injection drugs for it's executions, due to 'difficult bureacracy'.

>>95220790
>>95220800

If the soldiers are on your side then what is the point of having your own shit? In what world will you be more effective than trained soldiers rebelling against the government?

>>95220800
different anon here.

read the fucking 2nd amendment. shall not be infringed.

>>95220806
>guerilla warfare has never worked.
>vietnam was a fluke
>we're just having tea time in afghanistan

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>>95220728
If we're talking about a government that is already openly attacking it's citizens then we're talking about a government that probably won't mind using nerve gas and biological weapons on your dumb ass.

>>95220865

The soviets were supporting vietnam. Do you really think a bunch of jungle chinks were able to do it by themselves?

>>95220854
>If the soldiers are on your side then what is the point of having your own shit?

because not all soldiers would, just a good enough amount to put up a fight.

again, CIVIL WAR means there are sides.

>>95220835
me too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncwq5CSiV3I

>>95220854
in the world where guerilla tactics are incredibly effective and have worked to draw Afghanistan nearly into a war where a son can patrol the same land his father did 17 years earlier

>>95220865
>guerilla warfare
I'm pretty sure the army is better at atypical warfare than you are.

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>>95220472

>>95220911

if you're at the point where soldiers are defecting to the rebels then wouldn't they be supplying you with better shit than you already have?

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>It's a "Canadian anons attempt to criticize US gun laws" episode.

Oh joy.

>>95220886

Oh yeah, because that'll go over well globally. You do realize the second the US starts breaking the Geneva Conventions on its own citizenry, the world is going to get involved, right?

>>95220947
are we going to pretend that the soviets had nothing to do with vietnam?

>>95220947
The difference is that VC knew how to fight.
Your flabby soft civilian ass won't survive without infrastructure.

>>95220871
nah, it's not bait. human beings are human beings. i see bigots argue about blacks killing people all the time but get really chafed when you bring up the christian wars on non-white countries. let's not forget that bush jr said "god told" him to invade iraq

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTm72CB2VCs

>>95220946

Apparently not, if the fact that you fat fucks have been stuck in deserts and jungles fighting sheepfuckers and peasants for 30+ years is any indication.

>>95220987
there's no need to pretend. the gulf of tonkin incident was a total fabrication. the u.s. was the aggressor. now go kill yourself.

>>95220987
If America is going to attack itself, who's to say the Russians won't help out the rebels?

>>95221010
Those sheepfuckers invented atypical warfare anon. You do not know how to fight because you're soft.

>>95221043
see
>>95220949

if people are on your side then they're already giving you better weapons than what you have.

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>>95220886

yeah for how long? what will they win in the end? there won't be a population to rule over left

this fight will not happen when there is only the state vs the people, there will be sides and factions

>>95220949

no? do you have any idea how big and difficult to control the US is? citizen militias will make the bulk of any civil war at first, and they will need far more supplies than a rebel military can provide to take control of their towns and communities and effectively rule themselves without the government.

>>95220994

veterans and rural people are the ones that would rebel, not californian city trash

>>95220994
>VC had infrastructure

not really. they were malnourished and westmoreland decided to wage a war of attrition. he's literal strategy was to kill as many as possible and he thought that if they were killing more vietnamese than u.s. military personnel he thought that was winning.

there were more people born in vietnam each day than the number of troops that were there and if hell is a real supernatural place, westmoreland is there, waiting for authoritarian assholes such as yourself.

I was raised on the idea that this is America and we have penultimate freedom and we should be free to do a lot of dumbass shit as long as it doesn't affect other people's lives most directly. Yes to guns (albeit with registration and licenses like we do for cars,) yes to abortion (before a certain period,) yes to most drugs (as regulated as booze if not more so,) etc.

I mean, it's not like people aren't free to be pieces of shit already. Making this thing or that thing illegal never changed that. Unless you made twitter illegal maybe, but good luck.

>>95221036
what the fuck are you talking about, im saying that the soviets supported the viet cong, thats why they could stand up to the us

>>95220854
>If the soldiers are on your side then what is the point of having your own shit?
The second amendment is not strictly about beating the government in a 1on1. It's about not letting it get to that point.
Guns prevent a totalitarian government from gaining too much power, and ensure that our other rights are protected. With nothing to protect us from government force, freedom of speech and MUH CONSTITUTION and due process is just a concept not backed or respected by any sort of tangible entity or power.
The common argument against guns is usually something like "but the government has tanks," but this completely misses the point. Tanks, drones, bombs, and other war machines are meant to level infrastructure and kill large numbers of people. In order for a tyrannical government to emerge, they need an armed police force. When every citizen has a gun though, these police can't break and enter your house at 3am and drag your family away with no repercussion.

>>95221085
>veterans and rural people are the ones that would rebel, not californian city trash
Rural people are soft as fuck anon.

>>95221103
it doesn't fucking matter who the fuck the soviets supported, the U.S. was the fucking aggressor you piece of shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HODxnUrFX6k

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>>95221071

If servicemen defect, they're not necessarily going to be making off with enough munitions to fully supply a full blown civil rebellion against a tyrannical government. Plus, there's the matter of actually distributing all of that ordinance. Logistically speaking, having most of the populace already be armed prior to the government going full dictatorship makes more sense.

>>95221111

>When every citizen has a gun though, these police can't break and enter your house at 3am and drag your family away with no repercussion.

yes they can, because they're better trained than you are and have more guns.

>>95221129
>Rural people are soft as fuck anon.

and they also make up the ranks of the military itself, would you look at that

>>95221071
>if people are on your side then they're already giving you better weapons than what you have.
wew lad

>>95221139

Anon, I don't know if it's just that you've watched a whole lotta movies, but cops aren't bulletproof like the Terminator.

>>95221085
>dur I'm not a soft pussy civilian
Yes you are. You are not psychological ready for war and you probably don't even have the guts to pull the trigger on someone.

>>95221179
you are not going to fight off a trained, armed police force by yourself.

>>95221146
44% in fact
fucking disgusting dip chewing, constant muh smoke break taking, chain smoking, cigarette butt dropping fucks

>>95221146
And they have to be broken down just like everyone else who goes through basic. Trust me, the Army is not your backwoods roleplaying group.

It's surprising to me how many people are suggesting the military will turn against citizens and outright wage war against them, yet also seem to think they are still precluded against using advanced weaponry, mass debilitation, or even dragging your ass out of your own home.

It's like the people that hassle the cops, including those people who swear the cops are out to kill them, knowing in the back of their mind that the cop isn't going to haul off and shoot them.

>>95221181

most US soldiers haven't seen more combat than some mortar going off five miles away

what the fuck do you think veterans are? they're on average more experienced and ready than any actual soldier serving currently

>>95221222

do you think something magic happens at basic that makes people be impervious to harsh combat conditions?

i've seen plenty of fat, pussy and lazy soldiers.

>>95221179
And you think you are? You think any of your friends can stand up to the local police?

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>it's a /k/ comes in and starts swinging episode
Oh fuck yes.

>>95214649
The only reason men love guns is so they can use them to harm women.

>>95221196

Of course not. But police are people. Human beings that bleed. They aren't mindless ants or drones. If tasked with taking and securing a city or town, they would vastly prefer a completely unarmed populace that they can just drag out into the street with no risk of reprisal than a completely armed populace where their lives may be at genuine risk.

>>95221256

In numbers, it's possible to make them think twice. It also depends on where you live, because fucking hell if this country's standards for cops aren't deplorable in some places.

>>95221179
The LA and New york police are basically mini-armies and that's not even getting to the national guard. You have no idea what you're talking about if you actually think you can take your local cops.

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You know, I don't really have a horse in this race because I'm not American, but am I alone in thinking that "you don't need guns because you'll all be slaughtered by your government anyway" is an absolutely terrible argument for persuading anyone that they don't need guns?

>>95221222
Anon the Army isn't what you think it is. Most of us just sit in the motorpool all day bullshitting or sit in nice air conditioned offices all day losing paperwork. Very few of us actually go to the field and train, and even fewer of us are actual infantryman who practice battle drills on a regular basis.

>>95221139
ignoring the historical fact that throughout history, governments have disarmed their citizens only to tyrannize those citizens once they were disarmed
Turkey
Ussr
China
Germany
Cambodia
Guatemala
Uganda

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms" - Hitlerally Litler

>>95214360
It means the writers don't understand the importance of the 2nd Amendment.

>>95221254
>most US soldiers haven't seen more combat than some mortar going off five miles away
That's more than most civilians.

>>95214360
It was a joke from a comedy program meant for an audience more liberal than you. That's it.

>>95214440
The only reason there is a government is that you can't take revenge against the government Wich makes a government who turns against it's own people a truly horrible thing
>I'm going to give you control over my life and land and delegate the use of violence to you in exchange for you keeping me and my land safe
And then comes the communist who take away your land and send you to prison
.

>>95214360
The Second Amendment has no place in modern society. When America got organized as a country, they wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to the radical American masses. There’s too much personal freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, the incorruptible State, the only entity deserving of power, has to move to limit it. The National Guard fulfills the militia mentioned in the Second amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves.

>>95220472

how the fuck are a bunch of goat herders going to stand up against the military? holy fuck what makes you think this? do you think Ahmed and a few of his borderline retarded zealot friends will be able to frustrate the efforts of an entire army for decades like this is a fucking history lesson or something?

>>95221493

There's just enough potential sarcasm in this to make me hope you might be joking.

Was there anything more to the joke?

Like, were kids getting clubbed because they were playing with water guns? Were SWAT teams using blatantly more advanced tactics to take out teams of paintballers? Did a guy at a 7-11 get slammed and cuffed because he asked for some gum and they misheard him?

I mean if it was just a throwaway line, that'd be stupid.

>>95221499
Those goat herders are trained soldiers, you and your fat friends are not.

>>95221493
Don't forget about the first amendment. Freedom of speech only applies, at most, to carrier pigeons and mail by horse drawn carriage.

>>95221499

>trained soldiers supported by other states vs fat retard americans by themselves

>>95221566
The thing about soldiers is they're also American citizens

>>95221566
>Those goat herders are trained soldiers
a lot of them are literally children

>>95221614
Yeah and those American soliders will shoot you and your fat friends in the fucking face.

>>95221624
Still trained soldiers.

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>>95221609
If there was a civil war in the greatest power in recorded history why do you think nobody else would want a piece of the pie?
>>95221668
Just stop.

>>95221614
Have you never heard of the kent state shootings?

>>95221714
>Just stop poking holes in my fantasy

Honestly if you guys just admitted that it's just a fetish and quit pretending that it's about protecting your home you'd have a lot more ground to stand on.

>>95221714
Nobody is gonna support you anon, they would support the federal government.

>>95220615

>they have an economy that works for the people, not corporations
>Japan

Japanese financial ties go far beyond incestuous. The Japanese citizen is effectively forced to deposit their savings with the government which uses that stable funding to give access to cheap credit to corporations. The vehicle for this, Japan Post Bank, was only privatized in 2006 and its direct competitor is Mizuho Bank which is the unholiest of financial mergers ever devised. The Japanese financial industry makes the shit that goes on in the US look like hobbyists dabbling in the art of fucking people over.

>>95221315
Look how good all those guns did the Davidians, ATF still burned them alive.

>>95221834
They deserved it though.

>>95221793

Anon, if we're talking about a hypothetical situation where the US government is rolling out tanks, drone striking civilians, and deploying nerve gas as outlined by anons above, you would have to be actually, literally delusional to think it wouldn't devolve into an absolute clusterfuck of epic proportions with loyalties more divided than they were back during the Civil fucking War. People are going to care about the safety of their families and their communities before they're going to be loyal to a distant, murderously tyrannical federal government.

>>95221753
Dude you think there is such a thing as "highly trained child soldiers"

>>95221834

You guys keep ping ponging between isolated incidents and talking about full blown civil war and the government going full dictatorship, make up your minds.

>>95221668

"Trained soldiers" who, the majority of the time, have no idea how, and no desire to use the sights on their guns.

I'd say make having a Gun like having a Car, but I heard DMV's in America basically allow anyone to drive.

How about just enforcing the idea that only mentally sound reasonable people trained to operate their firearm, gets to own a firearm?

I mean that sounds pretty reasonable.

>>95221834
The branch davidians burned themselves alive. We have audio of them starting the fires. Use what happened to John Africa, where the police literally dropped C4 on his bunker and then locked everyone inside to burn.

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>>95221668
There are literally videos of toddlers as young as 3-5 executing people.

>>95221998

Who determines what "mentally sound" is?

>well, the government

Which changes with regularity. So the definition could at least potentially change multiple times in a decade. Don't you think that's a bad thing to do with property of any sort?

>>95222021

I can't believe the lineage of the guy who discovered Africa ended that way. What a sordid fate!

>>95220245
The correct term is "Somali's" not Somalians, brainlet. Learn English.

>>95222088
No?

I mean i'm not a super MUH FREEDOMS American, but when a person shows constant mental faculty problems and a streak of unlawful paranoia, I'd rather think it's not smart giving people with complexes guns.

Then again, every American I have met has fucking huge Mental issues to begin with, so there is that.

>>95222088

This. I've also seen people support banning people on "terrorist watch lists" from owning firearms, which sounds good on paper until you realize it's referring to / includes the No Fly List, which you can be placed on without due process or even being told about until you're stopped from boarding a plane.

You already don't get to own guns if you are a felon so it's already not a right.

>>95222186

Mental illness is very rarely that outwardly visible. And by what metric are we defining mental illness? Are we talking "you've been to a therapist? Sorry, second amendment isn't for you :^)" because that's easily where we could end up.

>>95221873
If it got that bad in America then it's already shit everywhere else.

>>95221892
I think solider don't fire in children but they do fire on stupid fucks who think being american is gonna protect them when they attack america.

>>95222327
You get an evaluation from a therapist, and provide the papers as given.

Hell Mental Health Records honestly should be kept with the same prudence as Dental Records.

Besides that, Training and Storage are important deals that need to be shown.

Guns are a specific tool, and they cannot be given out to people based on feelings and their emotions.

>>95220295
If all you needed to pacify an area was drones, we'd have solved Iraq by now. You need ground troops

>>95222327
>the slippery slope is only real when I want it to be
Also doesn't federal law already forbid ownership of guns to anyone that's been involuntarily admitted to a asylum?

>>95214669
>no crime
>countless sexual assaults ignored
>petty robberies overlooked to avoid messing up the flow of things
>criminal proceedings weighed to automatically prescribe guilty, and ignore organized crime
>everyone works 70 hours a week for honor and shame nonsense
Japan is not all 'kiss kiss fall in love uguu' rainbows. It's a genuinely fucked up system that doesn't really want to admit that the biggest reason people in Japan don't have kids is they don't want to subject them to this bullshit.

>>95214360
It means the concept of Bojack is better than the show itself. A delve into the life of a washed up star who yearns for an illusory fulfillment that he sometimes doubts even exists, set in "hollywoo" (where dreams are made) which strengthens the theme of fantasy vs reality.

There are three things about bojack that are good: Well done intro, conceptually ambitious and Will Arnett.

The show itself is a bloated, schizophrenic mess that is half bad comedy and half melodramatic stage-play. Every dramatic moment comes down to a kind of rehearsed monologue where a character spills his guts in an overly theatrical style. The concept of subtlety eludes the creators who apparently believe the audience needs to be told exactly what to feel.

Does it want wacky comedy where the characters becoming willingly retarded so the writers can string out a joke for 2 seasons that nobody can tell a kid in an overcoat isn't a full grown man, or does it want down to earth drama about the inner struggles and worldly obstacles of finding self-actualization in toxic, shallow, plastic and materialistic culture of Hollywood stardom?

I have a feeling the creators had these very big ideas, but didn't know how to bring them to life, which is why you have the first 6 episodes of Season 1 made for the purpose setting up a kind of 'subversion' of the typical animated sitcom formula, which sounds like it could be great, but in reality you just have 6 episodes of bad comedy that are pretty universally panned as being garbage and turn a lot of people off the show.

The show fails in every aspect of its execution. It's not animated well. It's not written well. It's schizophrenic in its identity. Does it want to be zany and sprightly or does it want to take itself seriously? Right now it wants to be both and the result is an absolute mess. Its drama lacks punch and is often exaggerated and theatrical. Its humor is clumsy. Bojack being run by an amateur creator and it shows.

>>95214669
>Thing x and thing y happen at the same time
Guess they must be connected!

>>95222284
>You already don't get to vote if you are a felon so it's already not a right.

>>95222513
It's not, remember when only rich white men could vote?

>>95222439

The slippery slope is real when you can prove that there's a mechanism that facilitates greater change once the initial change has been put in. Allowing the government to remove rights based on what's going on in some people's heads is the mechanism itself, and the facilitation is the fact that regime change is a constant in the US system.

>>95214360
>about to watch Season 4
Did they actually say this shit? Did they actually do this to the fucking Bojack Horseman show?
Tell me they didn't do this shit, tell me I can't have ONE FUCKING SHOW THAT YOU LIBERAL FAGGOTS HAVEN'T RUBBED YOUR GODDAMN BALLS OVER.
WHY ARE YOU PRETENDING THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE WORTH LISTENING TO POLITICALLY?!?! THEY ARE ALL NARCASSISTS AND DRUG ADDICTS WITH BROKEN CHILDHOODS, HOW THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GET FED MROAL LESSONS FROM FUCING CARTOON ANIMALS CRACKWHORES FFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

AND THEY ASK ME WHY I HATE THE JEWS
WHY WTHEY CAN'T STOP RUBBING THEIR CUT UP DICKS ON MY SHIT
RRAAAAASGDHDH GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR RIGHT THE FUCK NOW HITLER DID EVERYTHING WRONG BECAUSE HE DIDN'T MUSTARD GAS THE GHETTOS AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>95222513
>he thinks rights can be taken away
Wew, buddy. You're thinking of a privilege.

>>95222558
>Regime change
>America

Sorry, but no. America has had the same Corporation-loving government since Teddy Roosevelt.

All the American Government does is protect Corporate Interests.

>>95222551
>rich white men
You mean land owners? Which included women if and when they had equivalent land and was never gendered despite your meme?

>>95222639

>I actually, literally cannot tell the difference between 1902 and 2017

This post made of 100% industry standard wew laddium

>>95222716
And you can?

Show me a party that is actually advocating towards a less corporate stance?

Even the "libertarians" just want a weaker government, not a weaker Corporation complex.

>>95222478

I'm sorry anon, but assuming this isn't just copypasta you're the only one still talking about the show.

>>95222612
>life is a privilege because you can be put to death

So much for the "right to life" lol

>>95214360
Honestly, in the far left insane world that this show takes place, this is pretty in character.

>>95222812
>right to life
Which amendment is that one?

>>95222284
>>95222612
>>95222513
The constitution pretty clearly states your rights can be taken after due process of law.

>>95222894
Then those aren't rights, they are privileges.

>>95222766

FDR radically dismantled what was then the standard corporate governance structure. The corporate world then built up again around FDR's methods through to the 80s when Reagan dismantled it again and, once again, corporations built themselves up around Reagan's methods. While I'm the first to acknowledge the current mode of production is basically falsified except for (some parts of) the tech sector, I recognize that corporatism in the US ebbs and flows while you think it's only ever been this weird linear path of things only ever getting more corporate, when you couldn't be further from the truth.

Fun math to do, though:

1980 - 1936 = 44
1980 + 44 = 2024

The US is due for another political polar shift. I think it's possibly Trump, but more likely it's whoever gets elected for the 2024 slot.

>>95222872
The fifth.
> nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

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>rights
There is only yours and that which you can leverage your control over.

>>95222933
You forfeit your rights once you use them to violate the rights of others.

>>95222975
You're basically describing property rights.

>>95220295

Drones/bombers can level a town, they can't barge in your door at random to check for wrong think/contraband. That's where guns come in.

That and most American Soldiers would refuse an order to attack their own country.

>>95222949
>Reagan
>Dismantled the Corporate world

HAHAHAHA

No.

>>95222837
>>95214360
It's a joke. Diane makes a very good argument for the utility of guns in provided the opportunity for every citizen to defend themselves. Calling it "sensible" is the joke. It's not sensible at all and the politicians who voted for it are clearly portrayed as taking the easy route on a complicated issue when Diane suggests banning them all as a joke and therefore ridiculing the idea. This season had the government legislative process be the butt of a lot of jokes like that bridge to hawaii.

>>95223018
Not really. Property rights would imply that I shouldn't take your property or should be punished if I were to do so. It relies on some nebulous outsider force to enforce some ephemeral set of rules.

>what if we give the kids pumped up kicks so they can outrun the bullets?

>>95223094
>It relies on some nebulous outsider force to enforce some ephemeral set of rules.
It relies on me shooting you for taking my stuff.

>>95223109
I literally just now realized that was a reference to that song

>>95223039

As it stood in 1980? Absolutely. Stop kneejerking at me and actually think: How many companies which formed from the 40s to the 80s still exist? How many got bought out or merged or shuttered? It was a radical shift, probably for the worse as far as people are concerned but radical nonetheless.

>>95223109
That was pretty good. I was sad they didn't go all in and make that his B-plot complete with all the best mass/school shooter jokes

>>95223141
So you're saying those without guns are not considered to have property rights?

>>95223148
A shift doesn't mean it moved away from America's government just being a big ol' stick for the Companies to use.

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My whole family is libshits, and none of them hate guns.

So what kind of upbringing do you have to have to truly hate guns?

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