http://www.cartoonbrew.com/animator s/jennifer-yuh-nelson-fi

Directing jobs come from connections rather than actual talent 9 times out of 10. I can only imagine animation is even worse in this regard. And it's generally thought that many women in creative industries lack the knowledge of how to "play the game" in terms of making connections.

You really would think that the long history of women getting what they want through guile or feminine wiles would translate but apparently women creatives don't really know how to do that.

>>95208471
Kung Fu Panda 2 was pretty great. Why hasn't she done anything else after that?

>>95208622
She did Kung Fu Panda 3 as well, but she had a male co-director

>>95208471
There are simply far more males in the industry. Its kinda like the silicon valley "problem", where they are trying to hire more women, there just aren't any that are qualified.

>>95208635
A school like CalArts has a 50-50 attendance ratio as far as I know. What happens to them upon graduation?

Misogyny and unconscious bias are your primary culprits, probably more so the latter. A lot of the execs/producers making these decisions are male so it requires a certain awareness on their part to push for a female director.

keep in mind this industry they tend to hire friends or people they've worked well with in the past over and over again so it can be hard to break in, especially a female.

>>95208695
>50-50 attendance

Since when? Doubt that was the case even 10 years ago.

>>95208471
>No pastebin
Hello tumblr

>>95208695
They dont understand you have to work their way up and end up working at a bank while posting on tumblr and complaining about how unfair the world is.

>>95208604
>You really would think that the long history of women getting what they want through guile or feminine wiles would translate but apparently women creatives don't really know how to do that.
They aren't supposed to have sex up the chain of command anymore.

>>95208761
Im new what has a pastebin has to do with this?

>>95208695
>it's hard to get jobs in the industry
>a lot of graduates go on to do other things unrelated to their field to pay bills
>it's a lot easier for women to just marry a guy to take care of them

while that last point may be less scientific and more an opinion, i think that's what happens. people who don't make it will look for a solution other than their dreams. if men could find women to support them they'd stop working in their fields too and make families. but the truth is a lot of women will just give up to have families, because it is super fucking hard to make it in the arts, profitably anyways.

>>95208471
>Hollywood jews hate asians
Color me surprised

>>95208635
Anyone working on sillycon valley who isn't a gook who hasn't seen the sun in a week has a bullshit job
That's why you see ex Google employees constantly starting business like juicer or Pokemon go and fucking up everything they try, why do you think they are ex employees?

>>95208635
>there just aren't any that have terminal aspergers.
ftfy

>>95208715
How does it feel being so stupid?

>>95208604
That'd be considered sexual harassment these days.

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What does a director even do? Is it a meme job?

>>95208807
People that have been coming here for longer than a week (non retards unlike you who are a trendy retards because you think reading about memes and coming here makes you the coolest kid in highschool because you are not only stupid but genetically stupid as evident by the fact that your mother was too stupid to help you not fall into the worst possible outcome (a stupid Tumblr cunt) for stupid cunts such as yourself) know not to link these clkckbait websites that come up with bullshit articles for stupid people to make money and instead they just pastebin the text so they don't get any traffic or as revenew letting you read the article without having them profit in any way

>>95208471
And it's a problem how?

>>95208604
>long history of women getting what they want
>the 1% isn't majority women
>black men got the right to vote before women did
>the world's parliaments and senates aren't majority women
>most female dominated sectors pay peanuts
>women are expected to be great cooks by default yet only male chefs get any respect
>anything liked more by women than men is instantly dismissed as low brow and undeserving of respect
>birth control for women isn't free
>shitloads of ailments that primarily effect women have fuck all scientific studies to better understand them . are listed as unknown primary causes and have half-assed generic treatments
the more you think about what a world were women actually get whatever they want the more obvious it is that our world is no such place

>>95208471
Its a hard job that involves a lot of confrontation and is very stressful both physically and emotionally

Most women just dont want to do that

>>95208897
>What does a director even do? Is it a meme job?
Better question: are you retarded?

>>95208987
So it is indeed a meme job like a work supervisor

>>95208695
they chose safer, less paid but less resposibility heavy jobs, then get married and quit working completely.

>>95209014
>wahaaa you aren't the dad of me I can do everything solo whenever I want it's easy! I just don't want to do it NOW!
You never worked in your life, and it shows.

>>95208715
Take your tumblr shit and fuck off

>>95208729
Last stat I saw Calarts was 71% women.

>>95209026
What do you do for a living, anon?

>>95209036
Either that, or he works for Marvel.

>>95208973
Ur fat.

>>95208973
What a great trade-off for never being homeless, never going to jail, getting free government handouts, living more and having a better life quality, being part of the biggest voting demographic, having bias in school, the workplace, the court and police in your favour, having quotas to get me in any position I want, getting free shit just for fucking existing, getting to claim that anyone who doesn't like me is sexist, being able to fuck up anyone's life just because I'm in a bad mood, being able to get away with anything
Committing suicide in record low numbers when men commit suicide in record high numbers but all the attention and help goes towards women
Having activist groups that want to make it impossible for women to go to jail no matter what they do
Getting to spend 80% of all money spent
Being able to accuse men of committing horrible crimes and having people still assume he is guilty even after the court decides he is not
Where do I sign up for it

>>95208904
>getting this butthurt over Cartoonbrew
1. Kindly explain how this is a "bullshit article", please
2. Fuck off

>>95208973
>B-b-b-ut all those things are actually double standards that own men instead, women are just really crafty
This is what betas actually believe, they can't comprehend that the rest of the world won't sell their soul for a pair of tits and worship pussy like they do. Women can never actually fail, if a woman appears to be failing or suffering they think it's just a trick to own men somehow.

>>95209046
Amazing, so you can't even counter argument alone without me giving you something for you to ad-hom against.
Don't you feel like some little miserable shit right now?

>>95208973
>>birth control for women isn't free
It is though, in most of hte world. If you say "women" you can't flip flop with shit like "I meant USA!" it's just retarded cherry picking that olds as much value as your mom's life.

>>95208904
It's fucking CartoonBrew

Yeah Amid is known for clickbait but CartoonBrew is also known for being virtually the only actual animation news site out there.

It's like getting mad someone links to Adult Swim's blog or something.

>>95208973
So shit like titanic is low brow?

>>95208973
Gofd forbid someone somewhere realizes how fucking good you have it at everyone else's expense, I bet you never got kicked out of a building or put on a violent dangerous people list for wanting to talk about your best friends suicide
Modern women are completely toxic, somewhere along the line people forgot you can't keep giving someone everything she wants and have her remain human
>But there are two animated movies a year and none of them are directed by women
When was the last time a woman got a job going into the sewers to remove shit blockage that had been building up for a month?

>>95208973
Female dominated sectors like gender studies don't pay. Neither does being a teacher but that's an educational issue. Most of your other points areb't even worth mentioning.

>>95209082
Yeah, but anon. Birth control isn't free. So all of that means nothing.

>>95208471
Who is directing black panther?

>>95209085
It's a bullshit article because you posted it and you are garbage
You are the kind of garbage that could never do anything good or positive, that's why you go to tumblr
>>95209128
Look more garbage
You must be pretty happy to have so much garbage here, it lowers the bar for you

>>95208604
We won't see women directors as much anymore because offering sex to climb the ladder is even more frowned upon than before and it's a lawsuit waiting to happen for whoever accepts. Guys then can work the backroom deals easier because they're throwing money or going gay with largely no female competition.

Tbh, we'd see more female directors if either one of two things happened: there's a total crackdown on backroom dealings and nepotism all around and Hollywood goes totally transparent, or we legalize prostitution so women can compete in the backroom against Larry Goldberg and his blank check when it comes to winning a deal.

>>95208471
Apparently women in the entertainment industry don't know how to kiss ass or how to get good connections(networking/nepotism)

or have unprofitable movie pitches, who knows

>>95208833
Why do the jews fear the Ming?

>>95208973
7/10
You are a artist.

>>95209149
Ryan Coogler, but would it even matter if it was a woman? The point is that it wasn't until 2011 that a woman was able to solo direct a major Hollywood animated feature, and it hasn't happened since. Brave was originally going to be solo directed by Brenda Chapman, until she was all but replaced by Mark Andrews (she still got a co-director credit but it's generally believed that the final film was not what she intended).

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>>95209198
>he thinks I'm OP

95209198
Bait so weak not even worth the (you).

>>95209225
Who cares?
It's Hollywood, everyone is a piece of shit
Sure there are better things to fight for than a rich millionaire cunt being slightly less rich than another rich cunt right?

>>95208973
>the 1% isn't majority women
I am not sure what you are on here, but any precent from 0.01 to 99.99 is good.

>black men got the right to vote before women did
Well, people of color were still constantly suppressed in their right to vote until 1965.

But in any case, what's the point of bitching about history? I have no doubt you don't know any person who is actually a slave owner.

If by logic of white men should be feeling bad for their ancestors being slave owners, shouldn't then black people behave like slaves? Past helps to define the present and the future, but doesn't define it.

>the world's parliaments and senates aren't majority women
Any number between 00.01 and 99.99 is good.

>most female dominated sectors pay peanuts
Any number between 00.01 and 99.99 is good. The fact that there are female dominated jobs that don't pay peanuts is all the vindication you need AND men in the same jobs get the same salaries.

>women are expected to be great cooks by default yet only male chefs get any respect
Because women WANT men to be great cooks. It's like top number 1 they expect men to do after sex, to make them a meal.

>anything liked more by women than men is instantly dismissed as low brow and undeserving of respect
Examples?

Personally, I would prefer MLP not to repeat itself.

>birth control for women isn't free
USA's entire healthcare is fucked, you are laughing stock of health with your "affordable healthcare", thank Obama.

>shitloads of ailments that primarily effect women have fuck all scientific studies to better understand them . are listed as unknown primary causes and have half-assed generic treatments
Well, maybe people who do gender studies and other bullshit should focus on that.

>>95209082
nearly everything you said is quantifiable false and the rest has nothing to do with women and everything to do with men encouraging each other to be emotionally repressed dickwads who think relying on friends for emotional support is for fags
you have this absurd notion that the majority of women are above average supermodels and coast off the special treatment that brings. most women are average looking or worse, and have nothing to coast off. thats what average means.

>>95209014
More like the actual manager.

Director needs to slap bitches down and get everyone to do their damn jobs. Directors gotta deal with upper management breathing down their neck the entire time and has to somehow please them while keeping their manchild hands out of the pot. Has one of the harder jobs, but it's also the job that gets you arguably the best recognition too.

>>95209254
There are no individuals on Tumblr, they surrender that to the group because the group doesn't judge them and the group let's them be as violent as they want to
If someone from Tumblr does something the entirety of Tumblr is responsible for it

>>95209286
>Everything you said is false
Ok, prove every single thing false
I'm not expected to take the word of some random internet cunt at face value am I?

>>95208904
So you are telling me that if I don´t like the articles I don´t have to pay for my newspaper?

>>95209303

>If someone from Tumblr does something the entirety of Tumblr is responsible for it

>I'm not allowed to jerk of the the filthy Tumblr porn blogs that cater to my specific fetishes because it makes me one of THEM

Fuck off.

>>95209332
aren't there also a lot of racists on it?

>>95208973
>birth control for women isn't free
Why should it be? Why should your sexual irresponsibility be a tax payers problem? You should pay for your own birth control.

>>95209286
The ugly ones are the worst, they carry the most hate and vitroil

>>95209356

Tumblr is whatever you want it to be.

If you want to follow nice art, its there.

If you want to dive into the deep-end of porn both draw and 3D, it's there.

If you want to get triggered and dox people for not being woke enough, that's there too.

>>95209279
>>the 1% isn't majority women
>I am not sure what you are on here, but any precent from 0.01 to 99.99 is good.
My guess is they're saying the MRA neckbeards that complain that women have it so easy are probably only complaining about a small number of actually priveleged women.

>If by logic of white men should be feeling bad for their ancestors being slave owners, shouldn't then black people behave like slaves?
???

>Past helps to define the present and the future, but doesn't define it.
?????

>Any number between 00.01 and 99.99 is good.
Why is any number good?

>>95209322
Nobody has to pay for free text online and there are plenty of coffees that have today's newspaper for you to read for free but you wouldn't know that because you have never has any coffee outside of Starbucks
>>95209332
Porn bloggers get the bullet too

>>95209426
All women are awful
It's in their dna

>>95209383
Can it be a concentration camp?

>>95209365
Condoms are free, why not birth control?

>>95209426
Because if it's 100% or 0% it's most likely to assume a certain demographic of people is prohibited from doing so. Even then it easily can't be always the case.

If it's just 00.01% then it means this demographic is allowed to do so, some even do it and achieve certain success.

>>95209137
>Modern women are

You do realize that by associating character traits to a gender, you deny your own individuality, right? By saying shit like that, you are implying that it is possible to describe a human being solely by knowing one attribute about them. That would also apply to you. It's the same shit nationalists or racists do and it does not work to their advantage. Why would you want to simplify the world like that? I don't want people that have never met me to make grand assumptions about my personality based on one or two attributes. Especially not people with power. You got more processing ability in your head than that imbecile shit, son.

>>95209426
>???
?????

>?????
???????

Ask questions, you aren't an NPC in JRPG with a sidequest, I have no idea what confuses you since what I said is a cartoon tier lesson for kids

>>95209505
Oh fuck, I am just waiting with bated breath for that faggot's response to this. How will he shift goalposts to avoid the fact that you just dismantled his worldview?

>>95209279
>but any precent from 0.01 to 99.99 is good

Yes, any percentage is fine. But only under the following condition: it does not come to be systematically, but at random.

If of all the people being served corndogs at a corndog stand only 1% had a micro penis, that's a fine percentage. If however you vary the corndog seller and find that the micro penis customer percentage varies systematically with the seller, than that is not ok. Well, in that setting its ok because you can sell to whomever you want to, but I guess you get my drift.

>>95209505
I'm not a woman
>Describe a human being by one attribute
I'm not assuming I know everything about them because they all share one single attribute, I'm saying they all share one single attribute and that attribute is being awful
>Nationalists
Nationalism isn't always a bad thing, nationalism is great when your nation is under threat
>Racism
Again, sometimes racist are right, look at gypsis, they are still banned all across europe
No group of people is above being irredeemably awful
>I don't want people to assume things about me
Too fucking late for that
We live in a world that let's women get away with anything so I'm going to assume that women will try to get away with anything, otherwise I won't know what the hell they are trying to pull next

>>95209536

Don't give me a hard time dude, I'm just procrastinating

>>95209536
Easy, you can assume anything about anyone, it doesn't mean you are right
However when you get overwhelming evidence that something is terribly wrong with a group of people then it's no longer an assumption

>>95209591
>and that attribute is being awful

Well, being awful is pretty all-encompassing.

>No group of people is above being irredeemably awful

You're welcome to go back to the middle ages, I just hope I don't have to follow

Why does anyone even bother reporting shit like this, animation as an industry is a massive fucking mess of nepotism.

I thought that was common knowledge.

>>95209479
they are not

>>95209634

You're right, it's an assumption with some evidence.

The next reasonable thing to do then is to engage personally with that group to find counterarguments to your position. When you rigorously have searched you can say with confidence that given the evidence you collected, it is reasonable to assume that that group of people exclusively consists of shitbags. However, you always find outliers and it is hard to account for them if a racial trait or gender would be responsible for shitbagness.

>>95209591
>otherwise I won't know what the hell they are trying to pull next
>"they"
>like there is some female hivemind always plotting how to get away with shit
Jesus. We're here to talk about comics and cartoons, not your unfounded paranoia. Go back to /pol/, or hell, even /r9k/ with that bullshit.

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>>95209670
>he doesn't know

>>95209635
If I was declared good king of the world and allowed to do anything I wanted and still be considered someones victim then I would probably be a horrible person aswell
Meanwhile you must understand why I avoid women, I'm just trying to be safe

Wow, this thread is filled with so much logical, detached and in-depth reasoning.

>>95209689
I don't have to go anywhere,Tumblr has made off topic political posts perfectly fine here

>>95208471
>to allow
Man, these evil Hollywoods who forbid women to do stuff

>>95209682
I do, there are no counter arguments only mob mentality and more threats

>>95208471
>What other factors would come into play here?
Less women directors
Less capable than men women directors
Less women directors interested in that kind of films
I think there're many factors and that evil patriarchy isn't one of them

>>95209479
I have to buy condoms, anon. Even if I didn't, I'm sure the manufacturing costs for them are much lower.

>>95209690
>comparing razors to tampons
hmmmmm girls use razors too though

>>95209591
>>95209697
Dude you have issues.

>>95209690
...wait wait WAIT WAIT!, I have been paying for my razors like a retard all my whole life when they give them for free?? holy fuck I'm a moron

>>95209817
Yeah, didn't you hear about super secret white men club? We are all equal brothers who always watch each other's backs!

>>95209796
My attitude is perfectly rational for a person who is under constant threat of violence

>>95209697
>Meanwhile you must understand why I avoid women, I'm just trying to be safe

???

>>95208973
>>women are expected to be great cooks by default yet only male chefs get any respect
Being a cook is NOT the same as being a chef. That's like comparing paintball to a Navy SEAL.

>>95208471
>Because I can't believe that studios are actually outright rejecting women directors.
Not rejecting, just continually choosing male directors over them.

It's definititley not because they feel more comfortable choosing men.
As you can see in this very thread, such issues are far behind us and not a single man has insecurities that affect his choices.

>>95209770

>I think there're many factors and that evil patriarchy isn't one of them

So you're more willing to believe that an entire gender is somehow inherently less talented at artistic creation to such an extreme degree that even the biggest failing-upward male hacks who nobody likes are somehow better, then maybe there's some issues with sexism in an industry mostly dominated by men at the very top.

The hoops you people jump through to argue that sexism has no real-world impact are amazing. You'd literally rather try and argue that women are unable to meet even the lowest standards of big-budget film-making at the absolute shittiest level then the idea that men in power have prejudices against female directors.

>well no of course clearly being unable to direct is wired into their genetic code, makes much more sense

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>>95209851
Dude, you like, sound like a total fag. Just saying.

>>95209817
Holy shit, anon, use your White Man Card, you get lots of stuff for free, like jobs in whatever field you want, razors, cars, money, power, etc.

>>95209836
>tfw I forgot to renew my white male privilege and have to pay for razors

I just hate making the trip to the county clerk's office

>>95209857
Women are dangerous, they are armed with the most powerful weapon there is and are constantly using it against men just for being men and especially against men they don't like
I'm just not safe in the presence of women, I'm barely safe right now, if I lived in Germany I would be arrested for these posts
Once there is no more freedom of speech I would either kill myself or go full hermit and cut contact with all civilization

>>95209851
Did your liberal mother beat you as a kid or something?

>>95209893
Strawman: The post
And this is all you're going to get.

>>95209893
It's statistically proven that women are more shy/insecure than men. In the very same article, Jennifer Yun almost turned down the directing job because she said she was too introverted to direct a movie and didn't think she was capable.

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>>95209911
You should take your spiel over to /vg/, you know. They'd love you there.

>>95209901
You are either a fool or are trying to lower my denfenses to get to me

>>95209911
Well you've definitley lost contact with reality, that's a start.

>>95209926
My dad did
But I didn't connect the dots between liberalism and violence until I became an adult
It's quite amazing how it's always the people with the kindest words and most peaceful ideals the ones who resorth to violence first

>>95209893
I'll endulge your strawmaness

Lets say, and it's a fact, that there're less women directors than male directors. Right?
Now, lets say that men and women are equally capable.

Now, which group has more capable directors? I'm going to go with logic and not magic and say the group that has more directors.

Now, stop putting words nobody said but you into other's mouths.

>>95209893
>So you're more willing to believe that an entire gender is somehow inherently less talented at artistic creation to such an extreme degree that even the biggest failing-upward male hacks who nobody likes are somehow better,
There's your problem right there. You're assuming that talent is the only thing that matters in a creative field. It's not. It's barely even a full 10% of what matters.

Connections, an ability to compromise, connections, good PR, having the right audience, having a low pool of competition, connections, your ability to keep your nose to the grindstone, ALL those things matter way. WAY more than sheer talent. You have to throw away even the notion of comfort and eat loads of shit just to break even.

>>95209946
>Accusing me of paranoia in the age of government espionage over citizen's
They are always listening you know? They have a database with every person who has ever used the internet

>>95209955
>Not being afraid of the government
>When the government are the only people who can legally use violence
You should take a look at Venezuela or any country ruled by tyrants like the European Union

>>95208827
>>it's a lot easier for women to just marry a guy to take care of them

Anon, single income families haven't been a thing since the '90s.
http://www.pewresearch.org/ft_dual-income-households-1960-2012-2/

>>95209426
>???
We aren't the people our ancestors were. Black people were sometimes slaves back then - they aren't now. White people were sometimes slave owners back then - they aren't now. If one group is going to be forcibly chained to the idea that they are their ancestors, so should the other group.

>?????
We are who we choose to be. History can shape the way things are now, but it isn't inescapable. The very concept of social change spites that idea.

>>95209930

>It's statistically proven that women are more shy/insecure than men

And yet somehow plenty of women manage to scrape money together and fight to get movies movie in the indie world and the European markets.

But when they get to the mainstream, all that fight somehow magically disappears. How convenient for the producers. Meanwhile any guy who gets an even halfway-successful indie movie made now is given the keys to a major franchise, but wow, look at that, all the women who do it just don't get those projects. What an amazing coincidence.

>>95210001

>Now, which group has more capable directors? I'm going to go with logic and not magic and say the group that has more directors.

Except the gender disparity is much smaller when it comes to television, European and American indie films. I'm not saying it's somehow an even 50:50, but it's more then Hollywood.

So don't give me that. The talent pool doesn't just dry up when it comes to major motion pictures.

>>95209988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POzUUn9Wnbc
Remebers me of the hunchback of the Notre Dame
>He saw corruption everywhere but within
Those who believes themselves as righteous people never see themselves as evil.

>>95210060
>But when they get to the mainstream, all that fight somehow magically disappears.
Yes, and I'd have a much easier time fighting a Pomeranian than I would a wolf. What's your point?

>>95209911
>if I lived in Germany I would be arrested for these posts

I'm the dude who's been posting back and forth with you and I live in Germany. Yeah, that was not a good move on the polices part, but it had nothing to do with anti-feminism. No ones going to arrest you for being anti-women vocally. But if your trying to rally people against a particular other group of people, then yes, you should be on the radar of the law, but I'm the last one who thinks hatemongers should be arrested. There should be effective counter-campaigns. The problem with hatespeech and incitement to violence is that generally people who respond to that are not approachable with argumentation anymore, only with emotion combined with simple, one-note messages. And using emotion in argumentation is of course manipulation. Therefore, such campaigns would also need to work with emotions to get attention, manipulate the people. I guess the government(s) simply do not know how to react and then resort to arrests.

To the rest of your post: Vags are not magic, you always have the power to say no, anon. Or maybe you personally don't.

>>95208973
>shitloads of ailments that primarily effect women have fuck all scientific studies to better understand them
FUCK YOU!

Breast cancer affects 1 in 9 women over their lifetime and American agencies raise BILLIONS of dollars a year to fund research for it. Meanwhile prostate cancer affects 1 in 6 men and is lucky to raise more than $50-60 mil.

>>95210092

>he thinks making indie movies is easy

>>95210078
I'm also corrupt in many ways but I'm a corrupt person without any power so I'm not a threat to anyone

>>95209911
Bro women have no real power over you. Nothing in life does unless you truly let it.

I actually agree that western women are generally pretty terrible, but don't live life in fear of accusations that would probably never happen to you anyway. If you're really that worried about it, keep receipts of where you go so you have an alibi, sheesh.

>>95210123
You're very misguided if you think you can't do any harm to anyone because you don't have any "power".

You've fallen right into the marxist trap, that everything in life is a power struggle. Get real dude.

>>95208973
Probably a troll but I need a good long post to start out the morning.

>>the 1% isn't majority women
Their wives are.
>>black men got the right to vote before women did
Because of Military service women still don't have to take on.
>>the world's parliaments and senates aren't majority women
The voters are.
>>most female dominated sectors pay peanuts
Not true. Vets and doctors are doing well. Teachers are paid by the gubment so of course they get gyped.
Most of the jobs women take on, even in fields like medical or veterinary women still take on the easiest jobs. Larger Animal vets are usually men and because more women take up spaces in Veterinarian schools there's a dearth of larger animal vets in rural areas.

>>women are expected to be great cooks by default yet only male chefs get any respect
This is stupid? Let's come up with something equally stupid; Men are expected to know how to fix their cars and any women that does so gets a tv show about it. (See A Girls Garage)

>>anything liked more by women than men is instantly dismissed as low brow and undeserving of respect
Like NASCAR, Comics, and Wrestling

>>birth control for women isn't free
Abstinence is. Also Men have to pay for theirs too.

>>shitloads of ailments that primarily effect women have fuck all scientific studies to better understand them .
Breast cancer is the most funded cancer despite Male cancers killing just as many but being even more treatable if caught early.

>the more you think about what a world were women actually get whatever they want the more obvious it is that our world is no such place
Women get custody more. The Government profits from sucking money out of the husband to claim it's for the kid.
Women get less jail time for the same crimes. Even more of a disparity than white men and black men.
Women get preferential treatment in hiring, especially in tech, even if they aren't the best candidate.
Etc cause the post is too long.

>>95210121
I've actually worked on a couple. They CAN be pretty lax. But then I was working on the sound crew so you have way more down time while the camera isn't rolling.

But even without that personal experience, common sense man. What's more likely to have more people breathing down your neck, a project with a 100,000 budget and two producers, or one with a 2,000,0000 budget, 6 producers, and a marketing department? Which crew is going to be more stressful to manage, the one of 20 guys or the one with a thousand?

>>95210121
Making them is easy, becoming rich with them is not. The directors and people involved in indie films are the ones paying the costs, that's less hard that acchieving a 3rd party like hollywood companies to pay them for you without having some insurance that your movie will be successful enough.

I have a friend, more of an acquaintance, that makes couple of movies every year with his friends, he tells me that's the easy part, the hard part is making a company get interested in backing him up.

>>95210100
You don't realize how much power there is in the world
There are massive governments with complete control who do things that are completely ilegal and inconstitutional and get completely away with it
There are massive army's, there are massive gangs, there are rich people with the power to commit genocide, there are bombs and drones and submarines, there are masses of people radicalized by the media in both sides
There are people who belove themselves good and will burn the world to the ground trying to create heaven on Earth
If you think you are safe at all you are completely stupid

>>95209427
The joke is on you anon there are no Starbucks in the third world banana republic I live in.

>>95210177

>But even without that personal experience, common sense man. What's more likely to have more people breathing down your neck, a project with a 100,000 budget and two producers, or one with a 2,000,0000 budget, 6 producers, and a marketing department? Which crew is going to be more stressful to manage, the one of 20 guys or the one with a thousand?

And women, on the whole, are incapable of handling this. To such a degree that you can count the number of major female Hollywood directors on one hand.

There's "women are naturally more shy" and then there's that.

>>95210257
>living in fear because you're too beta to realize that life is actually in your control if you take the reigns
Weak shit senpai. I imagine you're a hikki talking like this and have never had one small iota of success.

>>95209893
Testosterone increases confidence and impulsive behavior, so men are more likely to take risks.

Female happened to direct a great movie. That's great! She did did what others didn't try to do. She should be proud if herself. I don't care if you're male, female, gay or alien. Just prove you are better than others.

Remember Brave? They tried to push female director as selling point, KFP2 didn't have to use such low methods to promote itself.

>>95208695
> 50-50 attendance

So if you got the stats, go further. Find out the sex ratio of graduates, and where each of them are five years later. How many grads stayed in in the industry? How many grads of either sex got jobs in supervising or management?

People with a chip on their shoulder like Cartoonbrew rarely continue research after they've got enough to prove their "life is unfair" thesis. If you find out why life is unfair, instead of assuming a conspiracy, then maybe we could make life more unfair or risk finding out life is fair just not accomodating.

>>95210280
The thing people need to look at when you look at stuff like being a professional chef or a film director is actually the military. There's a lot more hierarchy and organization and managing a bunch of sinning plates than they realize; it's not all artistic expression.
I'd be willing to bet that the enlistment numbers of women are a pretty comparable metric to stuff like this because it has a lot of the same high stressors. Which is not to say all men can do it, either. I'm a great cook but I would die of a stroke after six months in a professional kitchen.

>>95210158
Everything is a power struggle right now, the world has become a very dangerous place, when your next door neighbor can randomly turn violent and kill a bunch of people who is safe?

>>95210257

I don't deny any of that (except the part where I'm stupid). Of course corruption is everywhere and no one with power should be trusted.

I'm denying your assumptions about women or races apply to that or that that is in any way related. That's like saying that jews in general belong to a world wide conspiracy.

Your point does not deter from the fact that just because a woman wants something from you you don't want to give, you are in any way compelled to do so.

>>95210336
What's success good for when it can all be taken away from you on the blink of an eye?

Nepotism always wins over the piece of paper you got when you graduated.

Ther Sony email leaks shed light into this.

See, women in the film and animation industry are like kids on a "bring daughter to work" day. Even the execs. Sure a few numale goofballs fit the same pattern, but its mostly the women.
Bad ideas, unrealistic expectations of those bad ideas getting heeded, complete obliviousness to the world around them and what makes their ideas bad.

Maybe it IS because of misogyny that women haven't had the practice men have had at being good at a thing. But that doesn't make the fact that they generally suck any less real.

>>95210365
>They tried to push female director as selling point
And then that female director ended up quitting anyway.

Jesud christ, /co/ is really turning to shit

Women are stupid and I don't respect them.
That's right, I just have sex with them.

>>95208471
Wow, that's three qualifiers to make this one work.
>no co-directors
>only major movie releases, we decide what counts
>only Hollywood
So this ignores not only every woman in a leading role that's not director, but also small releases, independent productions and dicting duos.
Not to mention the huge number of women running shows, TV serials, non-animated movies...
But sure, if you shrink the sample size down to half a dozen per year, that'l sound more noteworthy.

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>>95209286

>Everything bad that happens to women is because of toxic masculinity.
>Everything bad that happens to men is also because of toxic masculinity.

>>95210390
Society only exists for women, how do you think all this happened?
What do you think war is about?
Its all because of women's pathological need for safety, they can never feel safe enough because bilogy doesn't allow it, they need infinite resources, they need infinite space, they need a world without any crime or wrongdoing or anything bad ever happening to them, that's why you can't speak freely hanz, women decided free speech is dangerous for them, someday you won't be allowed to stand up either and will have to crawl everywhere because if you are crawling you can't hurt anyone
And all these things being created to keep them safe will destroy the world
Man is not good hanz, man can't make commandments for each other to follow, we can't build a tower to heaven, the only way for the world to be completely safe is for humanity to go extinct

>>95208471
So, you prefer an incompetent woman over a competent male.

Do us all a favour and kill yourself

>>95210381
>>95210425
So you'll die alone without ever having any bit of success because of paralyzing fear that something MIGHT happen.

You will live a sad, sad life if you continue down this path dude.

I know in law we have more female graduates then male but less female partners/silks/judges then male.
Purely anecdotally I would say it's tied to the type of woman who succeeds academically does so because she was told to study hard to get a good job (so they pick the most prestigious field that they might not like), then after she has the degrees did the clerkship at the big corporate firm and starts as a junior realises that she doesn't want another decade of 90 hour weeks with no time off. So either goes part time, works at some hippy public defender place (the stereotype that public defenders are bad lawyers is pretty much false in Aus they're normally just bleeding hearts) or just quits to become a house wife.

There are some issues with corporate culture, like the big client who expects a partner and some juniors to go out drinking with them on wednesday till 4am and you're still expected to show up at 8:30 the next day and write up your preliminaries. And at the very top you have the dinosaurs who are threatened by women in pants.

>>95210507
The qualifier thing is always funny
>Only one double amputee blonde african american in the film industry is female.

Will someone please think of the women!?

>>95210390
>Your point does not deter from the fact that just because a woman wants something from you you don't want to give, you are in any way compelled to do so.
Taxes, the government is they're weapon

>>95210133
>Bro women have no real power over you.
No, but they do have power over the people that have power over you. Like that anon said, it may not be as bad in the Americas (except in Canada, as usual), but in Europe you could get tried just for posting in a thread such as this one. Being around women is an instant -10 to your luck stat.

>>95210538
>Man is not good hanz, man can't make commandments for each other to follow, we can't build a tower to heaven, the only way for the world to be completely safe is for humanity to go extinct

Well at least on that last point we can agree

>>95208973
>Women don't do certain things
>It's everyone else's fault.
If you're female anon why are you not a senator? or rich? Are you some kind of sexist that wants women in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant?
Get your ass in gear.

>>95210546
>Purely anecdotally I would say it's tied to the type of woman who succeeds academically does so because she was told to study hard to get a good job (so they pick the most prestigious field that they might not like), then after she has the degrees did the clerkship at the big corporate firm and starts as a junior realises that she doesn't want another decade of 90 hour weeks with no time off.
It's more complex on the academic side when it comes to artistic fields because the inherent subjectivity means you can sleepwalk your way to excelling academically in an art class. Then when the real world hits it hits double hard.

>>95210540
"Live discreetly," as Epicurus said. A quiet life is all I want, and anything else is just asking to stress you into having a stroke.

This sort of thing is always funny, because then you look at places like Japan where a lot of women are extremely successful in the animated and comic industries.

I think all this is deterring from the fact that being a director for big budget movies might not be the most desirable position, even in animation where the blockbusters tend to be highly formulaic. You basically have to be yes man to the suits to be succesful. People with more unique voices may have had a chance in the beginning and rise of the blockbuster, but not today.

So why the fuck should women want to get into that position? As to they why they seemingly can't, of course it's a mix of women perhaps going in different directions in entertainment and art and yes, probably there is quite a bit of gender bias involved (but certainly no in a way that makes it the sole reason), because that has traditionally been the case in showbiz. Probably that traditional bias is also a factor in a womans decision to try out for those directing jobs, because she might think her chances are already slim.

>>95210507
>>95210550
>Equating anyone with a vagina to someone with highly specific character traits

I mean, even with all those qualifiers, there should be more than one.

>>95208471

WHY IS HOLLYWOOD NOT ALLOWING WOMAN WORKING IN CONSTRUCTION???

WHY IS HOLLYWOOD NOT ALLOWING WOMAN PAVING THE ROADS???

WHY IS HOLLYWOOD NOT ALLOWING WOMAN WOKING IN DEEP MINES???

>>95210638

>comic

Publishing has always been different from film/tv.

>>95210546
Also consider the fact that women are expected to have kids, which obviously reduces their flexibility when it comes to work. Having kids doesn't affect a woman's creativity, drive or intelligence but the second she's not available she's considered dead weight. Men generally don't get shit for having a family, whereas kids are considered a huge albatross around the neck of an "ambitious" woman.

>>95210664
>You basically have to be yes man to the suits to be succesful.
I'd like to take this chance to point out Brenda Chapman who had to do exactly that, didn't like it, and eventually got removed from the project (And then spoke out against Pixar and called it a boys club).

I'm not saying everyone woman is Brenda Chapman and in fact other male directors, like Chris Sanders, got removed from projects for not playing ball. But it seems the current women working in the industry come in two extremes: overly shy or overly headstrong. The ones who are a balance end up becoming producers.

>>95208973
>women are expected to be great cooks by default yet only male chefs get any respect
There are far fewer notable female chefs and nobody is expected to be a great cook unless noted otherwise.
>anything liked more by women than men is instantly dismissed as low brow and undeserving of respect
U wut m8?
I don't recall many action movies being called sophisticated or deep but can remember endless romance and female aimed oscar bait movies having been so.
>shitloads of ailments that primarily effect women have fuck all scientific studies to better understand them . are listed as unknown primary causes and have half-assed generic treatments
Susan B Conmen is one of the largest cancer charities in the world if not the biggest and its primary concern is breast cancer, there are also numerous charities and awareness campaigns for ovarian and cervical cancer, when was the last time you even heard of a march for testicular or prostate cancer?

Hows the weather in opposite land these days?

>>95210638
They don't suceed because they are women. They succeed because they make an effort and make good work.

Crazy, I know.

>>95210664
Kind of remnids me of that whole DC controversy back in 2008 (geez we've been at this shit for a long time).
A bunch of bloggers claimed DC was exist for not hiring a bunch of female webcomic writers and artists and the actual creatives said "Why would I want to work on someone else's characters and stories, with harsher deadlines and more demands, AND likely take a pay cut, when I'm doing fine now?"
Of course then Marvel went the other way and hired all those webcomic ladies and we so we ended up with Hellcat and Unbeatable Squirrel Girl so...yaay?

>>95210713
Yes I should have mentioned that in my legitimate concerns second paragraph.

>>95210723
Most drugs are tested primarily/exclusively officially because their hormones fluctuate less (which is retarded, how a drug is impacted by hormone fluctuations would seem important to me).
I'm not an SJW you can see that by my first post but that is a rare actual legitimate criticism women can level at society.

>>95210695

Because many women can't physically work to the level of a capable man in those jobs, anon. However, many men also can't perform on that level.

Now, working in directing jobs has nothing to do with muscles. Probably more with the power to be machismo, as some anons already said. You have to pretend to have balls and make power moves all the time, which is objectively harder for women in some jobs. Because even if you apply the same level of balls to everything you say, it might not be enough, because you have a vagina.

My gf is an architect, and architecture is a field where macho men are very prevalent (although they all look and dress like wimps). I have visited her at the workplace and I have seen what she was talking about: Even if you lower your voice, try to bring your point across with verbal reinforcement, if you are a woman, you have to just try that much harder. The point you made has a high likelihood to be presented by a male colleague later to high praise, without anyone remembering you made it earlier. In creative teamwork, because the quality of the result often is subjective, argumentation is not what will make you succesful, it's slapping your balls on the table, and if you do not have balls, you have to make extraordinary effort to get noticed.

As movie making is also a creative team effort where you have to put your foot down quite often to people that might not take you seriously based on your gender, I imagine the experiences women previously made in the industry deter them.

>>95208973
>anything liked more by women than men is instantly dismissed as low brow and undeserving of respect
Such as? Fashion?
>birth control for women isn't free
Yes it is. World's oldest birth control: don't fuck. Or, bear with me, use a condom.
>shitloads of ailments that primarily effect women have fuck all scientific studies to better understand them . are listed as unknown primary causes and have half-assed generic treatments
Like what? Breast cancer? You know, that one disease that has pretty much no cure for anyone on earth? Have you heard about fucking prostate cancer?

>>95208604
It's remarkable how you managed to admit that a female stereotype was flawed and still spin it into an insult towards women.

>>95209137
>I bet you never got kicked out of a building or put on a violent dangerous people list for wanting to talk about your best friends suicide
Genuinely fascinated by what you mean by this.

>>95210991
there is an ancient video of a lecture given by a male rights activist in some college where feminists pulled the fire alarm to force the to evacuate the building and there is footage of this poor guy with some cunt screaming in his face you are scum yu are scum and he tells her im only here because my best friend commited suicide and the cunt kept yeling you asre scum to his face

>>95211147
*because my best friend commited suicide and im trying to figure out why

>>95210670
The fuck are you talking about?
your green text is confusing

>>95211147

That still doesn't explain why he was accosted in that way. Because he's a male rights activist or because he linked the suicide of his best friend to feminism?

Either way, those women that attacked him fall into the same category as him. Both are highly extremist and are not an example of mass opinion or behavior.

PC culture may seem extreme, but only very few people adhere to it. Governments should adhere to it, because discrimination isn't something a democratic government should even jokingly engage in. But even in universities, outside of the humanities, PC culture isn't very prevalent. Feminist ideas are, but those aren't a subset of PC culture. PC culture is a small subset of equal rights and feminist ideas.

You're on the internet and tumblr may seem to be everywhere, but the average joe doesn't even know what that is.

>>95210108
Yeah, the disparity between funding for diseases that affect women vs men is fucking enormous. >>95208973 is completely full of shit.

There's a pretty disgusting double standard for cancer in the US. Women who contract breast cancer are 'brave', women who survive it are 'heroes'. Meanwhile prostate cancer is heavily stigmatized to the point where men are actively discouraged from getting checkups or treatment, and survivors of testicular cancer are openly mocked.

>>95211202
The second basically saying half the fucking country, IE: 50% is the same as like, a .5% group with highly specific characteristics (The double amputee shit).

And even if you take into account that the men-to-women ratio of workers in Hollywood is not 50-50, having only a single mainstream movie with a solo woman director come out in the last ten+ years is still insanely low, qualifiers or not. That would suggest that there's like, 10% of women working in Hollywood for animation with those slim picking numbers. There are plenty of solo men directed films, but suddenly it's outrageous for women?

The fact that you can cut off 9 of my fingers and I can still count the amount is absurd.

>>95211358
>Meanwhile prostate cancer is heavily stigmatized to the point where men are actively discouraged from getting checkups or treatment, and survivors of testicular cancer are openly mocked.
What? Since when?

>>95211398

Because of all the animated movies they directed?

Your meme doesn't even work in context here.

>>95211376
I dunno about the prostate thing but I know I've heard jokes about Lance Armstrong's single testicle before..

>>95208695
>A school like CalArts has a 50-50 attendance ratio as far as I know.
Because they would turn men away constantly while pushing women to switch into the animation degree who weren't capable of doing it. There was a reveal of this two years ago which was promptly buried under a wave of female empowerment articles.

>>95211360
The real question is why does it fucking matter?
I liked KFP2. I never cared about the gender, sex, name, rank or horsepower of the director.

If this an issue, than it's up to all those hundred of female directors who are being denied movies to do something about it.

>>95211283
because you didnt see the video
it was a group of violent people with mob like mentality being held back by the police
mras have taken so much abuse by women just for trying to help men that most of them gave up and decided to just try and live a life completely separated from women since its all pointless anyways

>>95211283
>because discrimination isn't something a democratic government should even jokingly engage in
unless its discrimination of white cis men (and gay men) (and black and any other kind of men if we are being honest, those cups say kill all men not kill some men)

>>95211283
>You're on the internet and tumblr may seem to be everywhere, but the average joe doesn't even know what that is.
since when does the majority rule?

>>95211551
>The real question is why does it fucking matter?
Because it's a worrisome disparity for an industry that has no reason to have such disparity. There's no physical labor to use an excuse for why men are more suitable for the job and there are plenty of organized women who can lead groups. In fact, most producers in the industry are women, who often lead the team on a schedule.

And the whole "women usually want families", men also take month long breaks when they have new families and it's entirely possible to work from home when it comes to animation. A lot of people do it. If we can ship animation overseas to Korea and still communicate with them, then someone who lives 40 minutes away on Skype isn't too outrageous either.

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>>95211283

>Either way, those women that attacked him fall into the same category as him. Both are highly extremist and are not an example of mass opinion or behavior.

The guy was literally just trying to get into the building to listen to a guest speaker. There was no indication he was even an activist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0

Segment starts around 2:00 if you don't want to watch the whole thing.

>>95211647
Since Hillary Clinton was elected president.

NO, WAIT

>>95211748

Neither Hillary nor Trump received the majority support of the US population, because most of you fat fucks can't even be assed to vote.

>>95211578

Well, I didn't argue that what happened in that video I haven't seen sounds like a clusterfuck and that those extreme feminists acted like idiots.

It's just that MRAs like to play the victim when they're really not. Yes, fathers often get fucked over for alimony, happened to a good friend of mine. Something should be done about that, agreed. But MRAs frame all this like this is a systematic coup feminists have landed to specifically oppress men. Which makes them sound ridiculous and whiny and frankly, not to be taken seriously. Just like tumblr-feminists, who also are not taken seriously by anyone who matters in the decision-making world (although they are instrumentalized sometimes; not the same as having control). There are legitimate efforts to adress the issues like alimony payments and real gender studies in the social sciences, outside of cultural studies and literature, has quantitative empirical studies to that end.

MRAs just wail and primarily adress their mirror images, which are tumblr feminists. Dude, crying about pronouns is crying about pronouns, no matter from what angle you do it. It boggles the mind that they can't see that they're just the opposite side of the same coin.

tl;dr: MRAs may adress some real issues, but they're completely ineffective at that and only try to direct blame at feminism, like a child. Which is why no one takes them seriously.

>>95211776

Have you ever considered that maybe you're painting the entire MRM with the same brush that 4chan paints Feminism with?

>>95211701

Dude, that's a fucking student event. Those are students. That's not even the real world

>>95211810

Huh, you got me there, I guess I have. Disregard my post, it was uninformed

>>95211776
its not feminists, divorce, non profits for helping women, and goverment funded shit are all multi million dollar buisnesses
women have a monopoly in them, there was this guy who started a male violence victim shelter in canada in his own home because there where like 100 for women in that city but not a single one for men and fought all his life to get it recognised, he supported it all out of his own pocket too and at the end they ended up shooting it down and the guy commited suicide just to bring attention to the cause because he was hoping someone would cover the story
you told me to listen to the other side, maybe do so yourself, karen strong is a great example, all her videos are old too so you dont have to listen to all the bullshit of the last couple years

>>95211888
I applaud you for being self aware enough to admit that. That already puts you ahead of half these idiots.

>>95211857
That absolves the issue?

>>95211857

It might be shocking to learn this, anon, but that is the real world, and someday students stop being students and start spreading what they've learned outside of college campuses. It also doesn't make what happened there justifiable.

>>95211776
>>95211903
they always argue against anecdotal evidence but there are thousands of examples that are completely hearthbreaking, of men that get divorced and are not allowed to see their kids and end up committing suicide, of guys who get their lives completely destroyed for no reason at all, why do you think male suicide is so high but nobody asks men about it? its like when the media has to tell you all about the latest trend teenagers are doing and they bring doctors and this and that but they never actually asks the kids that could tell you pepe is not a racial slur

>>95211977

Mostly, students lose most of their extreme views as soon as they have to hold a real job

>>95211888
Wuss.

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>>95212016

Is that why they all push for universal basic income, so they don't have to?

>>95208471
>>95208604
>>95208635

Imagine being this desperate to justify sexism

>>95212095
Except the problem isn't so clear black and white "If only sexism didn't exist, then it would be fair game for everyone!". There are many other factors on top of that at play. But there seem to be a huge wave of feminists who believe all statistics are the sole result of "the patriarchy".

Disney doesn't send out rejection letters to women animators anymore, that isn't the sole excuse.

>>95208471
>Time publishes article
>Amid adds his own little flair at the end of the headline to gain more traction

This is literally Amid piggybacking on a more successful website, it's kind of disgusting.

>>95209082
I'm curious as to how you would even out those suicide numbers.

>>95211376
I can only remember that part in Fight Club.

>>95212247
>There are many other factors on top of that at play.
Such as?

>>95212299
women being shit at everything

>>95212299
Unconscious bias (Not the same as sexism)
Personality differences (Women tend to be more introverted)
Women statistically being more insecure and thus leading to more of them rejecting job offers (Jennifer herself almost did)
Connections that women either lack because the deck was already in heavy favor of men from years prior (Remember, a lot of these men artists in film have been working since the 80's and 90's) or that women might not be into the idea of kissing their bosses ass to get into a higher position
Lack of interest (Like was pointed out with the DC controversy)
Businesses being less likely to invest in women of a certain age because there's a statistically good chance they will leave the workplace to start a family (And many do)

Plus many others.

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>>95211376
Off the top of my head, I remember a character in Sex and the City who had one of his testicles removed after being diagnosed with testicular cancer - he was frequently mocked by other characters for only having one testicle, and even his main love interest constantly ignored or mocked his insecurities over his amputation.

And prostate exams have been mocked for decades.

>>95212277
>YOU WANT TO KILL WOMEN, DON'T YOU?!?!?!?!?!?

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>>95208471

I was really hyped when I saw her name in the credits. Would love to see more women leading animated films. People keep trying to use Brave as bullshit for why it doesn't work. That was a fucked up set of circumstances.

>>95212467
Are you seriously citing Sex and the City and Family Guy as examples? Is this elaborate bait?

This is like me citing fucking Always Sunny and Rick & Morty as evidence for why drinking alcohol is bad and should be banned.

>>95212511
It was really made fucked up by Brenda herself who kept saying Pixar is a boys club. Despite Pixar often replacing directors midway and Lasseter overseeing projects heavily, she took it as personal offense when he did it to her.

She brought to light an issue in a really shitty way that made people only able to see the issue in said shitty way.

>>95212299
Your moral obligation to look for other factors whenever gender inequality appears in statistics, or else you're one of those dumb feminists who mindlessly hate statistics.

>>95212416
>Unconscious bias (Not the same as sexism)
Biases actually are the same as sexism, unconscious or not. It's just a matter of whether it's institutional sexism or not.

>>95208471
>the plight of female directors in animation!
>how horrible!
>please don't pay attention to all the critically acclaimed live action movies by female directors in recent memory

It's just typical clickbait, they find something to complain about and make it into some historic tragedy. Besides there's really not as much animated movies compared to live action.

>>95208471

>So what's the actual reasoning for this? Because I can't believe that studios are actually outright rejecting women directors. What other factors would come into play here?

Because Hollywood and Silicon Valley are not nearly as "equal" as they think, and when they keep preaching us propaganda about how men are evil rapists, they are actually projecting the problems of their vapid corrupted industry to us normal, unspoiled people.

>>95212555
>Why are they treating this like the worst thing in the world!? I mean, they're even MENTIONING it!

>>95212561
>They think women's social status is unequal? When will their anti-male hate speech stop!?

You're pretty creative about finding ways to be offended by feminism.

Okay, not really. Neither of those stock arguments are new.

Day of the rope for both /co/mblr and /pol/ when? I'd prefer to have Nazi mods (of the non-white supremacist variety) than feminists and anti-feminists bickering with each other.

>>95212661
Those'll get banned just as soon as imagedump waifu lewds get pruned.

>>95212675

Why does /a/ get mods while we get bupkiss and have to put up with Leftards and Conservashits butting heads all day every day?

>>95212620

>You're pretty creative about finding ways to be offended by feminism.

And you failed to actually read the post you quoted. It said Hollywood and Silicon Valley preach feminist propaganda because they themselves are the worst examples of misogynist shitlords in the US. Common people don't buy that bullshit because women in honest jobs don't have these same problems. A female trucker gets paid the same amount a male one does. Female movie actress/director doesn't get paid the same. Yet Hollywood tries to sell the idea they're not the bad guys here, its the common man.

>>95212620
>offended

No. What annoys me is that this creates this unhealthy need for a female to fill a role. And they usually look for the loudest and most progressive one they can find. And she's shit. There are some really shitty female comic writers that are pretty much given a free pass for their incompetence while better female writers craft amazing stories and then never heard from again because they aren't being promoted enough.

The problem is that feminism is hurting actually talented females because it makes companies look for the wrong women. The media outlets only cover the most outspoken women who usually turn out being the most creatively incompetent. And mainstream only see what is being put out in front and will applaud it without daring to offer any criticism.

Ideally a woman will get the job because she's the most qualified of all the people applying for the job. Not because she's a woman. I'm sure Kate Leth will get a directing gig soon enough to make some people happy.

>>95212722
We get mods, they just seem random in their behavior. Sometimes Zootopia threads get deleted for being about furry characters, sometimes /co/ game threads deleted, and sometimes they don't.

>>95212519
I don't understand how this is any different from people claiming Power Girl is inherently mysognistic or how Carol Danvers can only be a strong female role model if she has a double mastectomy and cuts her hair as short as possible.

>>95209893
>So you're more willing to believe that an entire gender is somehow inherently less talented at artistic creation to such an extreme degree that even the biggest failing-upward male hacks who nobody likes are somehow better

yeah, even the worst female bee can fly better than the best male drones, of course genders are different and some are useless for certain things

time and again it's been proved Women have extremely poor leadership skills, thus they're very rare in leadership positions

>>95212949
Because that isn't a representation of the real world. You can say Sex and the City promotes shitty stereotypes or agendas, but you can't use it as proof for what the general public thinks of prostate exams or cite it as evidence that people discourage men from getting checked up.

>>95212756
This. It's weird that they celebrate hiring Erica Henderson meanwhile Sana Takeda, Sara Pichelli, and Guirihiru have been working there for years and never got a parade. Or anyone complaining about them, for that matter.

Not super weird though. For all feminist rhetoric talks about getting more women into fields or giving women freedom of choice, they're quick to disavow anything that doesn't fit their wave's particular opinions. If you don't draw mashed potato characters you've internalized misogyny, and all that.

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>>95212756

>There are some really shitty male comic writers that are pretty much given a free pass for their incompetence while better male writers craft amazing stories and then never heard from again because they aren't being promoted enough.

>>95212982
Except we're not bees, we're humans where all of our social behavior is learned. If women are not strong leaders, it's not a result of some "natural tendency", it's a result from society and history. And it can be changed.

And don't try to use the physical argument here because you're speaking about leadership skills and we're talking about animation. A woman doesn't need to out bench press a man in this instance.

>>95213033
>Because that isn't a representation of the real world.
Nor are superheroes, but then if you say they're idealized and not realistic, then the logic is that they cause people to objectify women in the real world somehow, so the cleavage window has to go.
It's the same bloody logic. It's just not excusable when one side does it.

>>95213062
>A woman doesn't need to out bench press a man in this instance.
You'd be surprised. Ever hear the Zack Snyder story?

>>95213065
>then the logic is that they cause people to objectify women in the real world somehow
No they don't. You're misconstruing points. If someone says Power Girl's cleavage objectifies her, they aren't saying Power Girl is evidence to men objectifying women, they're saying it's the result.

But often times, that argument falls apart as people bicker about, "Why can't strong female characters also flaunt their stuff like male heroes?" or "But she isn't the sole representation of women characters, there are plenty non-sexual ones" which is why stating fictitious events and characters is dumb and just relying on real-world examples of "men objectifying women" is better.

So until you have something that isn't Family Guy, a known absurd comedy, as proof for how men are pushed away from getting check ups for prostate cancer, you have no legs to stand on. You're trying to defend a shitty point by saying, "Well, other people have made equally shitty points for other issues, too!".

>>95213047
People tend to forget that plenty of bitching happens about male creators.

>>95213033
Considering how much influence the show had at the time, you probably could make a case for that.

>>95213234
There's non-stop fuck Synder, Whedon, and Bendis threads, but they rarely go on and on about how they were quota hires.

But that's the problem with some of these shitty female comic artists who get picked out like >>95213038 and >>95212756 said. Because these studios ARE hiring certain people just for their political views. They're giving ammo for people to come across as racist/sexist/whatever. It's like these studios are manufacturing the perfect response to create controversy much like Sony did with Ghostbusters.

>>95213038
Reminds me of the infamous situation of the Batgirl cosplayer telling Didio and DC to hire more female talent, and when he asks who they should hire, she draws a complete blank. Someone from the audience ended up shouting Nicola Scott's name, which is funny since she had already worked for the company for some time.

>>95213343
Pretty much. Insulting a female creator by making fun of her for being a woman is a pretty easy thing to do, but on the flip side there are becoming increasingly more situations where a female creator's sole selling point is "vagina". And when you're being sold on that, don't be surprised if that's what people attack. But like you said it probably is calculated, at least on the suits' part.

>>95213062
>Except we're not bees, we're humans where all of our social behavior is learned. If women are not strong leaders, it's not a result of some "natural tendency", it's a result from society and history.

Behavior is determined by psychology which is determined by neurology which is determined by biology.

The normal tendency is for women not to lead as well as men both due to social make up and due to their own mental development. Anthropological study tells us the role women play is to strengthen social bonds instead of taking decisions and leading the group. It's not to say women are less important, or worthy, or dign than men, but as a species we evolved to specialize in what worked best to survive and thrive in the conditions nature imposed, and those specializations won't go away in at least a million years more.

>>95210455

she didnt play the ball.

Post 2010 Pixar is a mistake

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There was a time when /co/ would openly mock every article Amid posted to CartoonBrew. All I see now are tumblr users who fell for this bait and honestly believe they're in good company.

>>95213213
I'm just saying, your argument seems to be "this doesn't count because it's not real". But that can be applied to ALL media beefs. Hell, the entirety of Tropes vs Women. It's not real, so no harm no foul.
The production end of things is a different conversation, I'll give you that. But it's also not one I'm having, and I'm just asking why is it that media is a mirror of culture in those cases but not this one?

>>95214396
>this doesn't count because it's not real
Because that's not the argument. The argument is, "Men are actively discouraged from getting prostate check ups and is often deemed too humiliating to do so." "Really, when has that happened?" "In Sex & The City and Family Guy".

Bad shows having bad comedy is not a representation of the world. These shows aren't known for their political commentary or real-world accuracy anymore than Big Bang Theory is an accurate representation of actual nerds and socially awkward outcasts.

>>95209286
>nearly everything you said is quantifiable false
Yet, you didn't disproved any of it and just dismissed it as "men are at fault here."
Nice try.

>>95209286
>everything to do with men encouraging each other to be emotionally repressed dickwads who think relying on friends for emotional support is for fags

Nice meme you got there.

>>95213033
>popular media relentlessly mocks X
>that doesn't mean society mocks X

>>95214516
>Bad shows having bad comedy is not a representation of the world.
Right. So is being non-representative of reality something that can extend to all fiction or is it just bad comedies that get a pass?

>>95214779
No, citing your only examples as things from fiction don't support your argument. Are there interviews with doctors saying how hard it is to get men to come in for prostate check ups? Are there any statistics about prostate check ups being an extremely low priority for male patients who come in? Are there any anonymous interviews with men who share their opinions on the matter?

If your only evidence is a TV show, then you can't say that it accurately represents reality because you have no reality to use as a base to begin with.

Lots of detective shows use the "Enhance!" trope too, that doesn't mean that tech exists in such a convenient capacity.

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>>95214779
>>95214396
>>95213065
>Literally the same retarded arguments used by SJWs regarding media, but from the other end of the playing field.
>Citing Family Guy and literal fag shows like Sex and the City as valid sources of public opinion.
Don't make this dumb argument the hill you die on, buddy.

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>>95208471
Daily reminder that this does not happens because "muhsogyny" and "male bias." If this was the case then the entire industry would have been filled with gender-discrimination lawsuits at this point, because, you know, it's been illegal to discriminate against women in any field SINCE FUCKING 1964.
>http://library.clerk.house.gov/reference-files/PPL_CivilRightsAct_1964.pdf

A lot of retarded feminazis don't realize that the non-employment of women in ANY field isn't because sexism, but because of a number of factors (both related and non-related to gender) such as strength, skill, availability, response, etc. Men excel at different things than women and women excel at different things than men. This doesn't mean than women can't get into certain fields but it means that the quantity of women who get into the field will be minimal in comparison to men. The same thing applies to men too. This happens, because, you know, efficiency is what puts money in the table, not feelings.

PERCEIVED discrimination is NOT THE SAME as REAL discrimination. Feelings have NO place in the law or the industry.

But hey, patriarchy and soggy knees and stuff. Whatever.

Make your own damn movies from your own production companies.

I'm tired of these shits acting like (((they)))[but they really mean white christian manles], are just supposed to give things to women and minorities.

>>95215225
you don't see women lining up to be garbage men. which are 99% men.

the snowflakes only scream about highly desirable white collar jobs.

(((amy schumer))) played the sexual discrimination card to get more money for her next comedy special. like she is really worth as much as Chris Rock.

>>95208629
What was stupid because the movie ended up terribly while her solo was great.

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>>95215225
>He thinks Hollywood is meritocratic in any way, and not just a nepotistic, creatively-drained swamp.

>>95208471
>First and last
According to who?
Just because there haven't been female directors in a while means that there will never be any from now on?
Jesus fucking Christ, Amidi is a goddamn fucking retard.

>>95215450
eh, if you can make the studio enough money. they'll hire anyone.

Mel Gibson is working again.

What exactly does the director of an animation do? Do they just work with the VAs? I'd have thought the work I'd usually associate with a director would be handled by the storyboarder.

>>95215450
Hollywood IS a meritocracy.
If the director makes money then he/she will be hired multiple times.
Regardless of quality.
Why the fuck do you think Adam Sandler got away with 30+ movies?

>>95215077
>Literally the same retarded arguments used by SJWs regarding media, but from the other end of the playing field.
That's my argument though. That it's the same argument. And if it's retarded there, then it's retarded here. If I have to stomach it there, it's fair game here.
Personally I think it's the former. That it's bullshit everywhere. Fiction is fiction.

>>95215593
Adam Sandler has been using his own production company for decades. Using mostly the same actors that do it for the fun.

Tyler Parry makes his own movies too.

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>>95208973
>women are expected to be great cooks by default

Maybe, MAYBE some Asian & Latina extended families still expect women know how to cook, but other than that noone under 50 pretends that women can do shit in the kitchen.

Cooking today is an exceptional skill for everyone, for better or for worse.

>>95210504
Show me your genitals

your genitals

show me your genitals
YOUR GENITALIA

>>95215532
The storyboarders have to be told what to storyboard. The colors, the emotion it's supposed to convey, how long things like fights should last, and so forth.

>>95215644

Doesn't make him any less wrong. The merit in Hollywood is to rid morons out of their money, not actually making a quality product.

>>95215593
>Why the fuck do you think Adam Sandler got away with 30+ movies?
Because he pays for them himself out of his own production company (Happy Madison Productions), hires his friends at a reduced rate (there's the nepotism in question), hence you always see the same 5 or 6 faces in his work, and comedies are very low cost to high reward since there's almost nothing by way of big ticket items like location shoots or special effects.
And this being 4chan at all I'm sure someone else will point out the obvious with a lot of parentheses.

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>>95209689
This post is proof that people here don't care about talking about off-topic politics as long as no one posts an un-pc opinion. The entire thread is politics and one of the first posts is pro-feminism "men are oppressing woymyn abloo bloo" bs but the one that's NOT accepted here is the right-leaning one, that one should "go back to /pol/." But where should the feminsts one go to?

>>95215821

>But where should the feminsts one go to?

Tumblr and Twitter, the breeding places of SJWs.

>>95211376
I'm constantly seeing articles urging men to take a "wait and watch" approach to dealing with prostate cancer despite the fact that nearly all oncologists recommend active treatment as soon as prostate cancer is detected.

I remember a US News article, I forget the date but it was sometime in June or July, that was talking basically a big fear-mongering article about men experiencing 'buyers remorse' for seeking active treatment of prostate cancer.

Imagine if someone like Time or NBC published a story telling women diagnosed with breast cancer to 'wait and see'. There'd be public outrage.

>>95215900

>I'm constantly seeing articles

Post some.

>>95212095
/co/ is full of bitter women-hating fuckwits.

>>95215821

Shame about the nose.

>>95215667
That's because guys these days are castrated nu-males. Let me give you some personal insight on the matter.

I've been with my wife for 10 years now. We met in high school, and I got her pregnant.
She is and always has been a lazy person and a shit cook. I wouldn't even mind eating shit food if she at least made it on time. But she rarely did.

We'd get into screaming arguments constantly about how lazy and worthless she was. I felt like an asshole for it, but goddamn she was a real piece of work. The only reason I dealt with all this was for the kids, and also because the sex is great.

But one night, I got fed up. Not only did she get drunk, neglect the kids, and made me top Ramen for dinner, but she decided to give me attitude too. She was being real fucking bitchy. So I told my grandparents to keep an eye on the kids and told my wife we were going to go out and have dinner together. I drove maybe 3 blocks to a quiet area (we live in Oregon, it's not hard to find a quiet field) and I got out of the car, went around like I was going to open her door for her and let her out, and I just beat the shit out of her while she was still seatbelted. After a few punches, I asked her if she wanted to go back to her parents. She started screaming and yelling and said yes, so I beat the shit out of her again. Then I asked her what she wanted to do. She finally got smart and said she wanted to go home. So I took her home and dared her to start trouble. I even handed her my cellphone and dialed her mom's number on the drive home. I made her talk to her mom, while daring her to fucking say something.

Before that incident, I had never laid a hand on her. But I had always threatened it. I told her "one of these days, if you don't straighten up, I'm going to lay hands on you."

All my meals have been on time, and she just recently tried to make a meatloaf. It was mediocre, but I was just thrilled that she tried.

Guys these days just need to grow their balls back

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>>95216615

Dat's some a-tasty pasta.

>>95208973
women are also 50% of the population and if all of them actually agreed on something they could change the world, but they are woman so that will never happen

>>95208973
>Woman make shit choices and get shit jobs because of it
Hmm

>>95208787
>They aren't supposed to have sex up the chain of command anymore.
it's 2017
sex isn't a taboo anymore.

sex it up ladies, those 60 year old producers would probably give you whatever you want

>>95209219
Because they are a more cunning merchant race.

>>95215734
So they basically dictate the storyboard. I guess I've inflated the work of a storyboarder in my head.

>>95208787
>>95217072
Gamergate has shown that sexing your way up the chain makes you a hero fighting sexism.

>>95211147
>there is an ancient video of a lecture given by a male rights activist in some college
The guy giving the lecture wasn't even a MRA he was a child psychologists giving a lecture about suicidal tendencies in men and young boys.
This is a topic MRA's are interested in but he himself was not one.

>>95211776
>It's just that MRAs like to play the victim when they're really not. Yes, fathers often get fucked over for alimony, happened to a good friend of mine. Something should be done about that, agreed. But MRAs frame all this like this is a systematic coup feminists have landed to specifically oppress men
Who cares?
>MRA:"here is a problem problem with society, we should rectify the issue"
>You:"okay"
>MRA:"Oh btw I think this group is making the issue worse"
>You:"I disagree with what you think the cause is so now I will blissfully ignore the existence of the problem in it's entirety to spite you".
It doesn't matter who is causing the problems, fix the fucking problems and stop getting worked up about who blames who for what.

>>95208604
>Directing jobs come from connections rather than actual talent 9 times out of 10. I can only imagine animation is even worse in this regard.
This! And yes, animation is even worse as there's less demand for animation jobs, and therefore less positions available.

It's why the animation industry is in such a dark age right now. Talented creators don't have a chance because they don't have connections.

It wasn't always this way. When Cartoon Network first started, new creators got in through the What A Cartoon! Show. I don't know much about *other* networks, but I believe they had similarly better techniques. As time went by, the networks' original creators were replaced by new recruits that only got there through connections, and the shows just got worse and worse. Every so often they get something good like Adventure Time, but that's based on luck nowadays.

(Note: I'm not saying hiring women just for being women is a good idea - my post was about talented creators in general, regardless of gender)

>>95217168
i remember Lassetter stepped down from directing Cars 3 and gave the job to Cars 2 storyboarder.

>>95210455
>And then that female director ended up quitting anyway.
Get your facts straight: http://ew.com/article/2012/08/15/brave-director-brenda-chapman-breaks-silence-getting-taken-off-film-heartbreaking-devastating-distressing/

>>95219871

I'm really sad about the fact she moved to Lucasfim.

which was bought by Disney later.

fucking Borg.

>>95215821
I'm the Anon to wrote that post, and I'd say this thread wasn't really about "men oppressing woymyn abloo bloo". That's a strawman and you know it. This thread was SUPPOSED to be about the article in the OP, which doesn't present so much a political viewpoint as it does a fact: there have been no solo female directed animated features since the very first one in 2011. But then Anons like you got triggered and went all 'FEMINISM REEEEEEEE' on us.