>If you can't make money off your art you shouldn't

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>aaron diaz

But some of the most profitable artists are fan artists.

>>95166516
>my redesigns are popular on tumblr
he's full of shit. tumblr has repeatedly torn his redesigns to shreds, and he's the poster boy over there for straight white guy desperately trying to virtue signal and being baffled that nobody is fooled.

>>95166562
Isn't there some Patreon artist that makes thousands of dollars doing Disney Princess art?

>>95166516
I draw fanart all the time for free though

>>95166539

This

>>95166516
>Is he right?
No, he's just a fucking idiot that has the worst work ethic possible, would rather gripe on social media and is an arrogant jackass too boot.

What's he mad a bout now, is no one paying him or something and he's ranting about how art should be profitable if there is to be more of it?

>best case scenario, someone else profits
Actually, best case scenario, a potential audience takes note of your fan-work, likes it, and decides to check out your original work.
(not to mention the intrinsic value of growing as an artist by processing someone else's ideas and the enjoyment you derive from the artistic process)
I suppose if I want to be charitable to mr Diaz, I should assume his lack of success in this area has to do with misaimed marketing, rather than his original content simply not being up to snuff.

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>>95166516
>make retarded unfounded claims disparaging companies
>believe any designs with similarities to yours (and you're really stretching it) is plagiarism
>imply fan-art would only exist if the artists were paid for it
>crank the virtue signal and creeping up to 11
>"Why do they persecute me so?"

>>95166516
This is the same balding faggot who claimed that Will Eisner was a mediocre white guy. Let that settle in for a moment.

Does Diaz still put out his shitty tit robot comic once a year?

>>95166752
Wasn't Eisner Jewish?

>>95166516
Artist is like the least profitable job in the world

What's with people in comic and cartoon industry in a sense that they're so fucking obnoxious and unpleasant?

>>95166516
>complain about companies stealing fanart the same day Linkle was announced for Hyrule Warriors
>"T-this has nothing to do with Nintendo"

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>>95166516

My favorite moment of Aaron Diaz was when a webcomic review site gave 3 stars to Dresden Codak and he threw a hissy fit about it.

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>>95166579
You're might be thinking of Sakimichan, she used to do Disney Princess fanart and makes bank off her pinups https://www.patreon.com/sakimichan

>>95166516
Jesus so much bitching from a guy with a million dollar Kickstarter for a comic he never actually updates.

>>95166516
>Look guys I made a ham-handed summary of his argument
>IS HE RITE!?!?

He's right. As an artist you shouldn't expect to get a free ride to stardom off of someone else's IP. Make your own original work and enjoy it instead of trying to suck corporate dick for coins. If you want to do fanart, do it because you enjoy it and not for profit because at the end of the day you don't actually own the characters.

>>95166516
There is an entire cottage industry revolving around fanart, with thousands of people making money on it, some making enough to live off of it.
Aaron Diaz is definitively wrong in saying it's not profitable.
He's also a self-aggrandizing arrogant little prick. No, genderswapping a character is not a groundbreaking idea.

>>95166644
>Actually, best case scenario, a potential audience takes note of your fan-work, likes it, and decides to check out your original work.

Usually all they do is check for more fanart and then if you don't have more, they either ask for it or leave. People sniffing for fanart are flighty and appealing to them on a regular basis can sink you into a pit of hopping from big thing to big thing, churning out trite drawings of other people's work.

Essentially, working to promote other franchises and make other people money.

>>95166769
Yeah.
Because Jews had such an easy time and so many advantages in early 20th-century USA, right?

>>95166949

>He's right. As an artist you shouldn't expect to get a free ride to stardom off of someone else's IP. Make your own original work and enjoy it instead of trying to suck corporate dick for coins. If you want to do fanart, do it because you enjoy it and not for profit because at the end of the day you don't actually own the characters.

Except he's wrong, because fanart gains more traction, viewers, commissions and therefore more money for a single freelancer. Yes, its all in the hazy gray market where the real owners of the IP can put a stop to your shit at anytime, but its so widespread on the net nowadays that most companies just have learned to live with it and consider it free advertisement.

In illustration- or animation, you don't get a free ride to stardom to begin with, unless you're Aaron Diaz and get lucky enough to get a few retarded whales to support your procrastination. He's living the dream of every Deviantart artist in the existence, where he gets paid for doing nothing while he can act like a retard on Twitter all day long.

>>95166981
>saying it's not profitable

He said it was a money pit. Of the hundreds of thousands if not millions of people throwing out fanart not many actually get anywhere with it, and most of the people in the middle just end up having their art stolen bu the Chinese.

Holy shit this dude is fucking ugly

>>95167013

And 99,8% of those doing OC Donut Steels don't get even the amount of money the fanartists get. Reality is Internet is like a library oversaturated with bad indie shit, so even the good stuff tend to get unlucky and not gain the traction it deserves.

>>95166994
>because fanart gains more traction, viewers, commissions
For fanart, which again, does little more than promote someone else's IP once it hits the net, your watermark is ripped off, and it's passed around like crazy.

> that most companies just have learned to live with it and consider it free advertisement.

You don't realize that you're agreeing with him. It's at best free advertisement unless it's a commission, at which point you made some pennies to create something that the actual owners of the IP can lift any time they please.

>>95167053
>And 99,8% of those doing OC Donut Steel

How heavy were those goal posts?

>>95166982
>Usually all they do is check for more fanart and then if you don't have more, they either ask for it or leave.

Yeah, usually - there's no style of marketing that will hook everyone exposed to it. But if your original works appeal to the same audience that enjoy the stuff you're doing fanart of, you're likely to catch the interest of some of them.

>>95166572
>Diaz
>white

>>95167063

>For fanart, which again, does little more than promote someone else's IP once it hits the net, your watermark is ripped off, and it's passed around like crazy.

In that market your watermark doesn't mean shit because you live off of doing commissions, especially when it comes to porn. Its quite different from the more traditional freelancing illustration job where you get a proper contract and proper rights for your work.

But just because it works on the legal grey area and your shit might be put to a stop if you grow too big, its still currently the easiest way for even a mediocre artist to get some small cash for himself. Proper illustrating jobs few and far in between, or you're doing your own project but you're starving for cash? Start commissioning fanart porn, theres a sucker or a sick fuck born every minute and those sick fucks who commission that Astrid shit-eating smut from you can actually pay your rent.

>>95166769
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>>95167104
He's a white Cuban like Rubio and Cruz.

>>95166516
He's making the typical "Muh OC doesn't get as many likes as muh fanart" Which has been true for forever. People SEARCH for fanart but not your ocs.

You do fanart because you like it and engage with people that like you for your fanart to get them into your OC.

>>95166896
>sakimchan
I dont know why but theres something i dont like about that guy. I just cant put my finger on it.

>>95166989
It's justified now by their actions in the early 21st century

Well he did use Kickstarter to steal people's money.

He got away with it because his fans are Beta as fuck.

>>95166769
Then when called on that he "apologized" and said he meant more like guys like Jack Kirby.

Honestly the mediocre bothers me more, Eisner's fucking brilliant. Even his enemies in the industry acknowledge that.

>>95166516
Like there's artistic integrity in making fucking fan art and redesigns in the first place.

>>95166516
Is he still salty because he got called out?

>>95166516
>instances of companies lifting designs.
implying someone lifted his designs
really?

>>95166516
>My redesigns are popular [...and] companies [are] lifting [my] designs.

Prove it.

>>95167293
Cus she's making millions a year and you aren't

So on the cunt scale where does Diaz rank? Worse than Dobby but not as bad as Bob Chipman?

>>95166516
do we really need to shit on Diaz for the 100th time?

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>>95167104
haven't you ever heard of white hispanics?

>>95166644
I'm a freelance artist and got a lot of work thanks to my fan art getting popular so it's definitely been profitable for me. Got my original art noticed as well, even if it doesn't get the same amount of attention, which is okay.
Diaz is an idiot as usual.

>>95166785
You just answered your own question.
Artist combines the work of manufacturing with the stress of a creative field and the pain in the ass consumer base of customer service, all with a pay that, if you're really lucky, might be close to minimum wage.

But he makes money without even making art.

>>95167352
He thinks tumblr reblogs are relevant enough to make the companies see it.

whichs is totally not true unless you marvel.

>>95167117
Sick fucks, I get (Hi, Monki!), but why would fanart commissioners be suckers?

>>95167319
>Jack Kirby

and he misfired again and jesus fuck could he pic a worse example, that nigga the king made dozens of comics in the time aaron would try to finish a page, fail, cry and start again.

>>95166516
What kind of joyless ass draws fanart for reasons other than wanting to draw things they like?

>>95167181
Cubans have joined the white shitlord category, alongside Jews, Asians, and cis gay men?

>>95167671
I think we need a new grading scale:

Self-loathing, virtue-signaling, balding white guy tier.

>>95167998
someone who thinks they deserve to be rich and famous without ever leaving the house

>>95167962

Depends who you commission from.

>>95167963
I don't think he was trying to take a shot at Kirby, but rather trying to say that mediocre white man Wil Eisner was elevated and praised by the comics industry through white privilege, while Jack Kirby, obviously from a totally different and less privileged background, was overlooked and unacknowledged

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>>95168146
I've read that 10 different times and that makes less and less sense each time.

>>95167104
Hispanic isn't a race. It's a fucking culture I doubt he ascribes to.

>>95167998
Literally anyone trying to make money as an artist.
Do you think people Google "fresh new artists"? No. They Google "Game of Thrones" or "Steven Universe" and that's the only way in for most artists without trust funds.

>>95168004
If you're not black or a Muslim you're white.

>>95168314
his original tweets or what?

>>95168422
Please, this douchebag probably considers Taco Bell to be fine mexican dining. Probably can't even properly pronounce half the menu items either.

>>95168540
Everything

>>95167998
It's an easy way to make some scratch. Walk down artist alley at a con and most small, independent artists there will have at least half of their work be fanart. When I tabled the first time, people would like and enjoy my original stuff but all the prints I sold were the very few pieces of fanart I had. Granted it did happened to be stuff I actually enjoyed but now I do a lot I don't care as much about but I know it sells and I gotta eat.

>>95166871
that's some really stinky pussy behavior man.

>>95166562
This, for people doing commissions for money, everyone wants fanart. Not original art. Nobody will pay for a pic of a character they have not heard of before. But some ensemble piece involving a few Avengers, Ed, Edd, and Eddy, with Dipper and Mable will bring in some money easily.

>>95166516
Is this from his gay Legend of Zelda redesigns? Flipping gender roles for sake of doing so [and to get some SJW goodboy upvotes] undermines the core elements of the original characters and what made them appealing to audiences to begin with, even a super simple story like the Zelda Series.

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>>95168314
Because it's backpeddling damage control after being called on it. He has to find some way to never admit he was wrong while shifting goalposts so he can somehow be technically correct and it really isn't working.

I can't figure out why the industry is now filled with white people constantly calling each other out as "shitty white people...not like me!!!" over and over again. Why do white people think that if they start calling themselves trans something they are no longer white?

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>>95167104
If he were to walk right up to a cross burning, save the civil war statues rally, no one would think twice about it in the slightest. That's a while man trying to pretend he is something else.


....like half of them these days

looked up his redesigns just now. fuck they are shit

>>95168762

Because they belong in circle-jerks where your prestige and currency is based on how much of a victim you are. And because every single member of that self-pitying cult comes from a wealthy backround with no real hardships in their lives, they have to fabricate and make up hardships for themselves.

I'd say take that entire masturbation ring and force them to serve in the army for 3 years. Or force them to a common factory work for the same amount of time. They would come out as more humble and altogether better human beings after learning proper fucking perspective in their lives.

>major in art
>not financially stable at 30

what did he expect i mean cmon now

>>95168826
or they would commit crying suicide in under a month of having someone yell at them.

But I agree that a pasty pale white guy who makes seven figures for drawing little pictures is in no way tortured or downtrodden in the slightest.

>>95168947
Godforbid this idiot work a part-time job on the side to help with the bills. It's not like he's using that time to, you know, draw shit for his fans.

>>95169008
no he uses that time to bitch about fans

What design did this guy do that he thinks a company stole?

>>95166516
Only if you want to make money from it or want credit for something.
Otherwise its good for your reputation
>This comicbook is fromthe one that makes this sick nintendo/Marvel/DC/Series fan art
or if you want to learn or practise something

>>95168146

The irony is that Diaz is also mediocre yet is successful and there's no doubt he's a shittier person with a worse work ethic. Talking shit about dead people just because you think they're overrated is bad taste. And Kirby may not have gotten the same level of acclaim from mainstream but he's easily one of, if not the, most well respected figure in comic history.

>>95169068
He thinks Nintendo stole his hero Zelda idea and made Linkle

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>>95169536
This design that looks nothing like Linkle, and I thought was Link in a purple tunic?

>>95166516
>He thinks professional artists have stolen his designs
He really does live in his own little world doesn't he?

>>95168958

They will all cry their eyes out, thats for sure. And some of them would definitely kill themselves but for the rest it would be a growing up experience. For those who ended themselves, that would be acceptable losses.

>>95168004
They vote republican.

>>95169755
Doesn't Linkle also use dual crossbows? And is much cuter looking than that travesty he drew.

>>95168004
>>95169898

I wonder how they would respond to a trans, muslim, black man who voted Trump. Would their heads explode?

>>95166994
Both Anka and Wada got hired by Marvel because they did fanart.

>>95167544
This. While her art is good, it isn't "$30,000 bi weekly" good.

>>95169964
They already have an internal justification that allows them to ignore it. Internalized cisexist, islamophobic, white racisim.

Or insisting that it's a russian plant

>>95170031
I mean, isn't the comics by the big 2 just fanart that the licence holder approves of?

>>95169964
They just say they're suffering from "interalized oppression", make them honorary white cis scum, declare them Nazis, and sucker punch them at every opportunity.

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>>95170113
About pissed myself laughing when DHS declared Antifa as domestic terrorists.

>>95170148
If that's true,they earned it.

>>95168665
>Nobody will pay for a pic of a character they have not heard of before
But I literally just paid an artist 140 dollars for some art of a character I just made up.

>>95166516
Oh fuck him. Fanart is something you do for fun. I dont draw fanart to be popular or get rich and famous. I draw fanart because i like to draw and i like cartoon/comic characters. You dont do it for profit.
If you want to profit off your art,open up a patreon or do commisions. Then youre drawing for money. And even then,if someone steals your art,at least they paid you.
I wanna know what "fanart" they "stole" out of this asshole. Hes probably overthinking shit.

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>>95170148
Yeah because they totally don't look like domestic terrorists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB3g8H6b0gU

>>95166516
Is he still trying to say Nintendo ripped off his shitty design? Even after that webcomic person blew him the fuck out?

>>95170420
>it's a "/pol/tard can't tell when someone's agreeing with him" episode

>>95168947
He actually got a successful kickstarter to do his webcomic without breaks for months a long time back. He spent the money and time drawing shitty redesigns and whining on twitter.

>>95166516
>Instances of companies lifting designs, I won't name names.

I'm gonna claim bullshit and say that because he had some generic hoodie design similar to a character that appeared in maybe a DC DTV movie, he claims plagiarism. If a studio found his fanart and liked his designs, they would have contacted him for some additional freelance. They do it all the time. Especially if it's a remotely popular artist who would later promote the thing they worked on, which serves as free advertising.

>>95166516
Does this idiot still think nintendo ripped him off for making a girl link?

If you enjoy making art but is not paid enough you will be unhappy

If you get paid for making art but doesn't enjoy doing it you will be unhappy

>>95170550
Yes

YouTube Poops are an artform. Hardly any money are made from those. So this person is very much wrong.

>>95166896
>pinups
outdated much

>>95170525
He's talking about Linkie. He thinks Nintendo saw his shitty Zelda redesign and made Linkie. He said this during her reveal on twitter. Poppy O’Possum Creator blew him the fuck out.

>>95171268
Screencap of that?

>>95168947
Except he's pulling in over $4000 a month for, on average, one page ever six weeks. Not private island money but nice work if you can get it.

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>>95171572
Also Morbi made his own concept for a Zelda game.

>>95171572
The level of delusion.

>>95171572
HAHAHA, that's great!

>>95171627
You know, I feel the same way about Zelda being a more stealthy, behind the scenes type of character as well. All these assholes saying that Link should be the one being rescued are missing the point of the character. Zelda wields the Triforce of Wisdom, so shouldn't she, oh I don't know, use her intelligence to accomplish her goals?

What's more effective? Charging headfirst into a heavily armed castle, alerting all the guards to your location, ensuring that you are not only out-numbered but also have no clear escape plan to get out should things no go your way.

Or

Sneak in past the gate, subdue a guard and wear it's armor as a disguise, create distrust among the underlings, set up traps to take out patrols, slay the boss who is occupied with maintaining order, then quietly sneak out during the mass confusion.
Obviously this makes the game more align with the stealth genre but it would be interesting.

>>95166516

No. You do it because you love it, and it's honest. If you do it for money, and only money, then either A you have a job or B you've decided to pursue something that lacks the honesty of passion. The actual path of a sellout.

>>95171572
I miss when Morbi was sassy but passionate instead of grumpy and dismissive about his own work's worth.

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>>95171801
When people are thinking about making Zelda playable, they aren't thinking that Zelda is Wisdom and Link is Courage. They don't think they should be switched up, they want Link without Courage and Zelda with both Wisdom and Courage.

>>95166516
>if you wanna make money you should actually create stuff that your audiance likes and not pander to people that don´t buy your product.
>you should also not attack people and call them Nazis because they dare to have the "wrong" opinion then you
>your main goal should also be telling a fun story and not pushing far left propaganda

>>95172183
Does Diaz push far-left propaganda in his story?
I thought he just spent all his time wanking to his autistic transhuman robo-waifu.

>>95171801
Sneaking kinda fits zelda in a way, with sheik being her alter ego and such.

Though i have absolutely no goddamn idea why anyone would think that a game starring zelda herself would stand out if they just made her a copy paste of link in therms of habilities or a copy paste of link in therms of EVERYTHING, in diaz' case.

>>95172217
Not to the extent that Sinfest does, but he's definitely drank the kool aid.

Diaz needs to get in life behind all the timeline fags when it comes to fucking ridiculous beefs with Nintendo over non-issues that they take WAAAY too seriously.

>>95172723
At this point, I firmly believe that Tatsuya Ishida engages in self flagellation for the sole reason that he possesses a penis.

>>95170463
Feels just like TTG reruns

>>95172817
So any bets on when he an heroes or cuts off his Wang and declares himself a tranny?

>>95173857
Becoming a tranny is like the end goal for these types of web artists.

>>95166516
I think making fan art is noticeably less cool than making your own creations. For commissions though most people have terrible taste. A quick look at any drawthread will show that most people just want smut and/or crossover fan art. An artist should plan on making money for their work, or else they can't fund their work. Accusing people of hijacking your shit makes you look like a chump when they clearly didn't.

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Art is cool for fun or profit.

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>>95166516
That's a really fucking pathetic and petty way of looking at things.

>>95166516
>>95171572
This is why copyright also covers derivative art, so people like him can't make minor, obvious changes to existing designs then claim credit when the company releases something similar.

Nintendo can and should selectively exercise its rights and stop him from drawing any fan art or derivatives of their properties, and remove all existing ones. Delusional people like him put all fan art in danger.

>>95172817
That's what's required of all good male feminist allies. Anything less is perpetrating rape culture.

>>95166516
This shit is old salt, but it still sustains me.

>>95168947

But he is. Proof that God doesn't exist.

>>95169536
>He unironically thinks he is the first artist to genderbend link

>>95166516
Who the fuck is Linkle.

I thought Link reincarnated every time from game to game (hence the vast time difference between some of them)? How can there be a girl version of link based on the name?

Haven't played a Zelda game in years.

>>95177798
Linkle is Link's dual crossbow wielding sister in Hyrule Warriors.

>>95166516
He's shilling for sheckles. After patreaon got popular, anyone able to draw a stick figure only do commissions or patreon exclusives. Its shit but this is how it is now.

>>95177777

>>95177798
Hyrule Warriors, she'sa separate cahracter who's just a huge fan of Link and wants to be a hero like him

Basically elf version of SF Sakura

>>95167693

We have these threads whenever he says something stupid again, even then thats more frequently than he updates his comics.