>Hear about how dark and fucked up this comic is >Outside

>>95122966
>Why is this so hyped up again?
Why does a comic have to be over top edgy for you to enjoy it?

>>95122988
It was also pretty boring though.
I guess maybe when it came out the idea of an 'evil' superman hadn't been done much? Because that's clearly what they were going even if it was based around Captain Marvel (I did like that they actually straight up name dropped Captain Marvel as the inspiration)

>>95122966
Literally thought that was Carol at first.

>>95122966
Oh is this that Carol Danvers character?

>>95123108
>>95123118
well his original name was Marvelman...

>>95122966
>Why is this so hyped up again?
Same reason Watchmen is hyped up, Alan Moore.

>>95122988
If it's not Crossed it's baby shit

>>95122966
remaind me, who owns the rights and why is so damm hard to buy it?

>>95122966
Just read Zenith then?

>>95123232
>and why is so damm hard to buy it?

Because Anglos don't reprint.

>>95123232
First, Mick Anglo had the rights. Then Alan Moore took over, who then handed it to Neil Gaiman. But because it was published in the US by some shady comic company, the rights got tangled between Neil and Todd MacFarlane. But then Alan goes "Surprise, I never had the rights in the first place!" And Marvel buys it from Anglo.

>>95123007
>the idea of an 'evil' superman hadn't been done much? Because that's clearly what they were going

No, no it wasnt.

>>95123007
>'evil' superman
What? Also this shit is fire if you can appreciate Moore's style or you have familiarity with Nietzsche but it seems like you are a brainlet, this book is not for you.

>>95123296
>>95123280
Superman as in he's the perfect man / next step in human development. Point is the idea of an all powerful being showing up us normies

>>95122966
The only time it goes really full on dark is the London fight. The rest is unsettling. The world of tomorrow is one where every need is taken care of, everything bad is taken care of and if you die you come back to life in a sweet ass robot body. Such a world would just devolve into meaningless inauthentic hedonism and if anyone would speak out against such a system then they would be seen as ludicrous luddites.

>>95123345
Well yeah, he's the transcendental being that will help humanity transcend itself. That idea was pretty rare in capeshit and even though fags will claim Squadron Supreme did the things that Moore would later do, there are a lot of fundamental difference and Marvelman started before Squadron Supreme.

>>95123345
Miracleman is more than just "Evil Superman." Kid Miracleman is more similar to the idea of a superhero deciding that they need to piss on the ants below. Miracleman is "good" but his definition of good is alien to conventional morality.

>>95123448
>but his definition of good is alien to conventional morality.
Not really? He never actually goes full what the fuck tilt. Even when he takes over the planet he still normal enough to be a dick to Thatcher about it because he (as in moore) disliked her.

I mean literally the worst he does is I guess murder some guards but that could be argued as self defense since they were trying to murder him and steal his kid.
>>95123403
>good things are bad because it would be lazy I guess
Eh

>>95123007
>Miracleman
>Evil Superman

Imagine being this retarded.

>>95123499
see >>95123345

Just the idea that theres a better version of humans out there

>>95123495
Your last sentence is how I felt about it. While I could understand the dissent against Miracleman's utopia somewhat, having his wife go "dude fuck you Miracleman I don't like having free drugs and world peace and shit because it's ungenuine and we didn't earn it" or such what is such a Moore tirade.

>>95123495
Dude what Miracleman does is very much of questionable ethics and morality. What Moore achieves with Miracleman is very much similar to the early to mid 20th century, where dangerous people were introduced to these grand ideologies and they had power to actualize them. Ideology was considered very dangerous post modernist era and Moore himself is very much an ambiguous character as in where he stands when it comes to modernism and postmodernism.

>>95123581
Not really

>>95123625
>Not really
Elaborate.

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>>95124300
Sorry but its really boring

>>95122966
The begining and ending were pretty kickass for me, but I just really like KMs character design. The middle was sorta boring aside from Micheal Moran and Gunonzo's deaths. Neil Gaiman's work really ties it in extremely well though.

>>95123108
I enjoy how her charcter design draws from the earlier shit

>>95123232
Marvel owns it atm and they are reprinting the shit now and Neil Gaiman's The Silver Age is still in the works but they want to finish redrawing the Gold Age

I got to the page where he wonders why his wife wouldn't get a new body and stopped reading. Is it worth it to finish?

>>95123210
Alan Moore laid down a decent base but the real creme of the crop came in when Neil Gaiman took over

Hey /miracleman/, what would you do if you could create an army of resurrected celebrity clones?

>>95124653
There's like ten pages left, finish that shit.

>>95122966
>miracleman
>boring
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>95123403
Not gonna lie, I'd happily worship at the altar of Miraclewoman

>>95125106
Do you think she would let you fuck her if you ask for?

>>95125025
Like 8 issues actually

>>95125145
You can't just ask, you gotta pray or plead or something. It's like Greek god rules.

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>>95123007
>I guess maybe when it came out the idea of an 'evil' superman hadn't been done much?
Don't think so, Tim.

>>95125185
That is just Miracleman and his DUDE I AM BEYOND LMAO. She was different.

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>>95124300
The third panel ruins it.

>>95125182
Really? The page with his wife sitting at the table and kicking him out of her life? I swear I thought it was the last issue. My bad. Powerful scene. Finish that shit in any case.

>>95124806
Clone Muhammad Ali and Bruce Lee, both in their prime and with all of their combat skills and see who wins in a fight.

> I guess the part where him and his friends take over the world was kind of messed up but it was hardly scary or fucked up

After all is set and done that was honestly the best ending they could've gotten in Moores run they basically create a utopian society

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>>95124806
>wasting time resurrecting celebrities
>not using SUPER science to make cartoon people real
Nice "god" Moore.

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>>95125209
Then hell yeah I'd ask

>>95123007
I think you misunderstand. Miracleman is a reinterpretation of Marvelman, a British comic book created in the 1950s by the UK licensers of Fawcett's Captain Marvel comic.
Their lawsuit with DC lead to the cancellation of Captain Marvel and the British publisher were left without any stories to sell, so they created Marvelman, their own version of Captain Marvel with a science fiction spin.

>>95124550
And Gaiman wants to finish his run.
His continuation does quite an interesting thing and renders the moral discussion in this thread moote since it shows that MM's utopia is quite dark. Not in the Soylent Green way but that it is cold and mechanical and all its wonders are but distractions. It is like the reverse of Gaiman's and Moores personality.

>>95125265
Or is it?

>>95122966
>reading a comic because it's "fucked up"
Your opinion is absolutely worthless

>>95122966
>mentions of rape
pretty sure it's not just mentions

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>>95124660
Awful taste, Moore gave us a fantastic wrap up with a legitimately morally ambiguous ending and used the theme of the literal ubermensch fantastically. Gaiman misses the point entirely and focuses on the humans in the regime, the story wasn't bad it just really didn't jive with the themes and ideas that drove the original run.

>>95125343
I can only imagine how shitty the recolor for this is. God, fuck Marvel for jewing the original colorist out of money. These pages were painted, they would have looked fine on glossy paper.

>>95126207
Nah I read it because I found out Moore wrote it but i'd seen pictures and stuff from it before on random threads.

>>95125239
The only way that would be enjoyable is if Ali's arms are as long (or nearly) as Lee's legs. Otherwise it's a bullshit fight

>>95126285
You tied the "hype" directly to the "dark and fucked up" elements of it in OP. Either you can't explain yourself properly or you're some faggot who loves edge for the sake of edge, and either way you're a fucking mongoloid.

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>>95126258
I agree.

>>95126384
god the recolor is such shit

>>95126408
>>95126408
This is the restored original though, I'm like 70% sure

>>95126466
>>95126408
Oh nope, there's Alonso's name. This page isn't particularly bad, versus the first few issues where they removed the red orange nuclear coloring for awful photo-realistic bullshit

>>95125343
I'm with Liz in this situation, it would just feel wrong. MW is above and beyond humans, it wouldn't even mean anything to her outside a pity fuck

>>95126346
It went like this
>Decided to read Swamp Thing because I was craving some horror
>Fucking love it and read literally every run of it even the not so great ones because Swampy is my new favorite comic character
>Remember that Moore wrote the best Swampy
>See some stuff about kid marvel killing people and others talking about how fucked up it was
>See someone talking about how great Miraclemans origin was
>See that one panal of it zooming into his eye in a scary / unnerving thread
>Found out that Moore wrote it
>Decided to try it out
>Was mostly bored
>>95126384
Agreed. The human shit afterwords was boring and just made everyone seem like bigger dicks then they were originally shown to be

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>>95125106
Who wouldn't?
>the ultimate woman is a short haired babe
Based Totleben

>>95126258
>Gaiman misses the point
You're just autistic. Gaiman has no obligations to follow Moore's inferior writing.

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>>95123232

>>95122966
>mentions of rape
But you straight up see it. It's sort of hard to miss, really.

>>95126762
>it is now September 2017
>two years have passed since Gaiman's run was solicited to be begin
what the hell are they waiting for

>>95126732
Jesus fuck those recolors are an abomination I can see why it's funny to you, the originals are much more heartfelt

>>95126709
So if a writer made Superman murder the justice league for shits and become Joker's gay lover you'd call me autistic if I hated that?

>>95126814
They are rewriting everything. Here is Buckingham's interview from August
>“I’m also primarily focused now on getting Miracleman done… having accidentally ignored it for a little while! The problem is, Neil also became a Dad again, and so basically [our children] have been the reason why very little work got done! The good news is that it is coming, Neil and I have been meeting regularly to work on the new scripts together…we’ve made a few interesting changes, so it’s not going to be the exact story we’d intended to tell back in the 80’s and 90’s, we’re now thinking about it in the context of today, and in how the world’s changed.”

>“With Neil, we’ve always had a good friendship and a nice working relationship. In this case, I’m actually co-writing the scripts for Miracleman with him…so what’s happening is we’re meeting from time to time and actually going over our plans for the stories and fleshing everything out. It’s a fun process, and it’s nice to be involved right from the outset on the development of something like this, because the storytelling aspect of it is very important to me. If I’m involved with the plotting and the scripting of the thing, it helps me get a sense of the weight and scale of a story before I sit down to draw it.”

>>95126878
>Lol I have kids so I couldn't do work I was paid to do on a deadline
Imagine if a garbage man tried to use this excuse as to why there was trash all over the streets?

>>95126911
yes, it's called paid family leave and is actually a bit of a contentious issue right now

>>95126911
You don't interact with the real world much, do you.

>>95126911
wow it's almost as if different jobs are different

>>95123261
No, Gaiman got the rights then sold them to Marvel as one big "Fuck you" to Image, who originally formed as one big "Fuck you" to Marvel

>>95126936
Right but the garbage worker would have asked for that paid family leave in advance, they would have filled in for him and there wouldn't be an issue, here Neil just used it as an excuse. You know in advance you're having a kid, the solicitations timeline could have been adjusted, . Also this kid was born 2 years ago, you don't get 2 years of paid family leave, where the fuck is the book? On top of all of this, contracted deadline work doesn't afford you paid family leave, that's salary/hourly shit. The fact is that Gaiman is so much bigger than the big 2 on his own that he can literally do whatever the fuck he wants and they can't say shit, otherwise he leaves them and shits on them.

>>95127044
>The fact is that Gaiman is so much bigger than the big 2 on his own that he can literally do whatever the fuck he wants and they can't say shit
well yes I thought that was understood, I was just having a laugh about your silly comparison

>>95126980
>>95126965
It's undeniably Gaiman being an inconsiderate douchebag, I can't even believe you faggots are defending him. If Gerry Duggan pulled this shit, just blowing off a deadline for 2 years because he had a kid, he would be out on his ass at Marvel, Gaiman is just doing this because he can, he doesn't feel like writing and would rather be with his family, so he is doing that. I don't have an issue with that at all in the abstract, but to just leave the comic in limbo rather than coming out and saying "I'm not writing it right now, sorry" is such a dick move.

>>95127088
>but to just leave the comic in limbo rather than coming out and saying "I'm not writing it right now, sorry" is such a dick move.

artist > corporate overlords

get fucked

>>95127068
So what you think Gaiman is not in the wrong here? You're fine with him being a huge faggot in regards to comics deadlines? Real cool of him to spit on the industry that made him like this, yea.

>>95127134
>but it's okay for Gaiman to take the corporate overlords' money and write for them when he feels like it
>It's okay for Gaiman to fuck over a creator owned company and help a corporation in the same turn, all over a petty feud

Nah, you get fucked

>>95127202
>but it's okay for Gaiman to take the corporate overlords' money and write for them when he feels like it

Absolutely. You don't like it? Fire him. Sue him.

>It's okay for Gaiman to fuck over a creator owned company and help a corporation in the same turn, all over a petty feud

Image? His feud was with Todd, who a) isn't the nicest person himself and b) is an untalented hack and much more of a business man. It's ironic because if one person is in favor of saying fuck you to corporations, it would be Todd. So yeah, fuck him.

Gaiman is the only one acting in favor of art and the public in this story.

>>95127202
Gaiman's feud with Image was how it had turned into a corporate owned publisher that was shitting all over creators just like Marvel within a couple of years.

>the Andy Warhal story

What made it the best issue in the series?

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>finally finish the last issue of the original run
>it ends with gay kiss and young marvel noping out
Nope still a boring comic. Also those anons up thread were right and it should have ended here >>95126384.

Everything after was either boring, pointless or just MM being a fucking asshole like what the fuck was up with the making people climb a tower to talk to him what the fuck its just float down for a second dude jesus why are you suddenly so lazy and why is Miraclewoman the not crazy one now when it was reversed before hand

>>95126874
If it was better than everything that came out previously, then yes.

>>95127570
That's entirely subjective. At least I have a reason for why I think it's worse, whereas you just have "NUH UH IT'S BETTER AND YOU'RE AUTISTIC IF YOU SAY OTHERWISE"

>>95127312
So basically it's fine for Gaiman to be a corporate babby when he feels like it even though corporations are super evil, because you say so; and because Todd is a big meanie it's okay for Gaiman to make Miracleman a corporate IP? God Gaimanfags are so pathetic.

>>95127840
>it's okay for Gaiman to make Miracleman a corporate IP?

What the fuck are you talking about?

>>95128026
It's pretty much Gaiman's fault Marvel owns Miracleman now

>>95126258
Gaiman doesn't grasp the whole german idealism/reaction, probably due to having no familial connection to it. (Same reason he's currently massively fucking up his norse mythology book by having no frame of reference for northern courage or the fact that they weren't modern sheltered londoners in outlook)

>>95128052
How? Marvel paid Anglo for the rights to the character.

>>95127840

why does every commie fucktards always comes up with "muh evil corporation"

>>95128140
>If you don't mindlessly support Disney, the literal poster child for groups of rich soulless cunts, you're a communist

You're a third worlder too judging by your English so it's even funnier.

>>95128125
Because of Gaiman's assmad Image lawsuit

>>95128140
I'm not a communist, I'm calling out that retard who said it's fine for Gaiman to just fuck off from his contracted writing duties for several years because he was contracted to a corporation (here >>95127134)
Learn to read the thread fucktard

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>>95122966
Could DOOM with Prep take on Miracleman?

>>95128240
it's more like Eclipse's fault for never acquiring the Miracleman rights and publishing Gaiman's run illegally

>>95128254
He isn't actually all that strong in comic book terms so yeah

>>95128240
>lawsuit uncovers the truth about the characters ownership
>Marvel, not Neil, legally pays the Anglo, not Neil, money for the rights to the characters
>Gaiman did it guys!!!

Jesus.

>>95128278
Copyright generally fails once it's not defended, Miracleman easily could have become a public domain character, but instead Gaiman helped make it a Marvel IP

>>95128461
so how is it not MacFarlane's fault for buying the Eclipse rights in the first place, then?

>>95128534
Because Mcfarlane thought he was legally buying rights, not scooping it up before it became public domain. Gaiman fights for the rights (he also thinks he legally acquired) and then upon realizing they're not actually anyone but Anglo's he makes a deal with Marvel to write for the character as a corporate shill, instead of championing for the rights to remain creator/publically owned

>>95128628
Marvel had already bought the rights from Anglo by the time Gaiman made the deal to write for them. He had no part in them acquiring the rights other than accidentally making everyone aware that Eclipse never bought the rights.

>>95128461
>easily could have become a public domain character
>>95128628
>championing for the rights to remain creator/publically owned

why do you want this so bad you commie?

do you have a fanfic ready to go or something?

>>95128705
I'm just shitting on that guy who said corporations were evil and then defended gaiman as some creator champion. I don't actually have an issue with Marvel having the rights.

>>95123403
I wonder how all that is going to survive considering Kid Miracleman is basically the antichrist and is going to return at some point and will probably fuck it all up.