Please tell me how changing gay is about "representation"

>>95089365
Wait what when did it happen?

>>95089365
Far as I know, Harley and Ivy are bi. What about Selena and Barbara?

>>95089410
Selina kissed a woman in Valentine's run. OP should have put in Batwoman instead.

>>95089382
Batwoman gay
Catwoman gay
Harley GAY GAY GAY
Poison Ivy GAY AS GAY CAN GAY

>>95089410
Valentine's book confirmed Selina is bi which is like, whatever. It's Selina fucking Kyle, is that so surprising?

"Everyone wants her ass including the girls" has been a trait of her's for decades.

>>95089448
She's never expressed interest in other women before though. She's batsexual.

>>95089433
bisexual is still gay and forced

wasn't barb a little bit gay for canary in BoP?

>>95089365

Bro, that is fanservice

>>95089365
>Three of comic's most sexualized females are bi.
Wow, what a total stretch guys.

>>95089461
Selina's just sexual.

I get what you're saying in that if it's never been shown before it's weird to shove it in but it doesn't seem strange for her character to me.

>>95089433
Women kiss all the time. Doesn't mean it's gay.

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>>95089365
>The Gotham City Sirens are bi
And this is a bad thing... why? That's honestly pretty hot.

>>95089448
but you cant just talk about selina solo. The point was all the characters are in somewhat phases of gayness

maybe not batgirl but would you be shocked if they did turn her gay soon or at least hinted at it?

>>95089433
>OP should have put in Batwoman instead.

the r63-Ronald-McDonald-looking batwoman was originally written as a lesbian, not reconstructed to be a lesbian.

>>95089565
Not even a little bit.

>>95089466
could have been just my fantasy but i got that vibe

>>95089365
>Harley, Ivy, and Catwoman are bi
>Batwonan is gay
Huh. Never thought about it before, but that actually is a lot. Where are all the gay and bi male characters? Why is it only ever women who are shown kissing each other? When will DC make TimKon canon?

>>95089513
I mean I actually read the comic during it's run. They did it specifically because the comic wasn't selling. And turning a character gay is how you sell female characters in comics. Straight women dont read comics. The comic did eventually die a little while later despite making news for turning her bi.

And i could be wrong but if not for her longtime relationshp with Batman they would have turned her full gay

>>95089447
>Batwoman gay
Yes. This is what she was from the start. The current Batwoman and the Batwoman from the 60's are not the same Batwoman.
>Catwoman gay
Bisexual. Like this is somehow shocking. Not like it even matters. No man or woman will ever be above Batman for her. Not even Superman managed to distract her wandering eyes from her Dark Knight for very long.
>Harley GAY GAY GAY
Blatantly obvious bisexual. Which is fine, since she's batshit crazy.
>Poison Ivy GAY AS GAY CAN GAY
Sexual in general. Her entire selling point is "Plant lady seductress". Man, woman, small child. She doesn't care as long as it furthers her goals.
She may as well be a Chlorosexual.


I don't think you realize that a lot of women are at least a little bisexual. Try talking to women sometime. Most of them have "That one woman they'd totally make an exception for", and women are infinitely more likely to experiment with carpet munching in high school and college than than men are willing to experiment with cock sucking.

>>95089365
>I'm totally shocked that the biggest femme fatale in comics who in most incarnations has been repeatedly abused by men, spent much of her early Gotham years protecting her lesbian prostitute friend, and also makes it a point to look out for troubled women in her nocturnal escapades could totally be into kissing women!
>Fucking DC ESS JAY DUBYAS right?

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the Catwoman comic started out sexy. But wow the art direction went completely left and could never recover. Honestly some of the worst artwork in comics after like issue 33 or whenever they got the new people

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>>95089516
they arent even drawn hot anymore. how can you think it's hot to look like a fridge with no curves? Harley quinn especially is drawn so horrible in her comics

>>95089800
Why would any of that make her bi or gay?

>>95089750
>The current Batwoman and the Batwoman from the 60's are not the same Batwoman.
it's new 52 comics. So I don't see what your point of this is. Characters are written by people and they were all written to be gay purposely. I don't understand why you would use that as an excuse? Again look at the whole board, not just your next chess move.

>Bisexual. Like this is somehow shocking
still in the LGBT realm so still gay

>Blatantly obvious bisexual. Which is fine, since she's batshit crazy.
the fact we have to bullet point multiple characters at once instead of discussing them as individuals kinda proves my point over yours

>Sexual in general. Her entire selling point is "Plant lady seductress". Man, woman, small child. She doesn't care as long as it furthers her goals.
She may as well be a Chlorosexual.
so you mean pansexual? again part of the LGBT therefore she's gay.

In terms of your last comment. That's not true. I think women are more drawn to aesthetics and I think they are just naturally closer. They are not gayer, just more affectionate.

And the reason women were willing to do that carpet munching was because men liked it. Men in sparta used to bang young boys. Its all about what society deems ok.

And I am not ok with characters I supported being taken and given to butch dykes when butch dykes dont even like comics

did the thread get shadowbanned?

>>95089622
Most women in Gotham City are bi or gay.

The only confirmed straight is Barbara/Batgirl.

>>95089464
>bisexual is gay
>woman
You're a moron if you think bisexual women are included for gay representation and not masturbation fantasies. A bi-woman in a comic is a straight woman up for a super threeway.

>>95090100
This tbqh
Harley and Ivy were bi long before the big 'representation' boom and it was mostly because Timm and Dini thought they were hot as friends with benefits, with Harley still always going back to the Joker

>>95090100
that is such a reworking of history it's almost Orwellian.

>>95090100
As long as we agree that sexy fanservice scenes with no deep meaning are good, but long yuri relationships are trash

>>95090111
at least you admit the representation boom happened and that's why all characters are being transformed

>>95090224
Of course I admit that, fucking Iceman happened

>>95090252
You think Iceman was worse than what happened with the Gotham ladies? Cause I disagree. Iceman was 1 character. This is a whole group

>>95090305
Batwoman is a legitimately good gay character.
Catwoman, Poison Ivy, and Harley aren't being played for rep brownie points at all.

>>95090305
Harley and Ivy were already bi before the fad, Selina was made bisexual and then it was never really brought up again and now she's once again with Bruce
Iceman is the worst example because they straight up erased all his past relationships, and now they're pushing his new gay identity in it's own solo comic. I don't give a shit about Iceman but it just shows how shallow and stupid this whole thing is.

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>>95089750
>She may as well be a Chlorosexual.
I'm surprised Swamp Thing and her don't interact more

>>95090411
he's not female enough


PS you guys have to stop equating flirting with actual attraction. Poison Ivy has never once expressed any attraction to any male in all her years

>>95089466
Yeah. It's a good ship.

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>>95090444
False.

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>>95090444
I don't even mean in shipping sense really. I just mean i'm surprised that they haven't had most stuff together outside a few arcs here and there.

>>95090378
As I said in the post above. I read the Catwoman comics originally. The turning her bi was carefully constructed cause of slagging sales. It gives you psyhcological insight into how they are thinking. Anytime a girl character fails in the future they will turn her gay.

The new series of Batman is too soon to say she's not still bi. And if they remove her from Batman again I guarantee it will be another gay relationship.

Iceman I really dont care about because he was always a bad character. He never had a fanbase. Might as well do it with a shitty character. But The Gotham girls all had fanbases and the gay stuff was not needed. It was chosen.

>>95090337
batwoman would be a better character straight. strength does not have to equal gay.

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>>95090444
You're an idiot

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>>95090566
In fairness, one can read a lot of Poison Ivy stories and skip the ones where she's obviously into Batman.

>>95090474
she expresses no desire towards him there. only states she thinks HE loves her.

that's not attraction. That's need for affection. She is not mentally healthy enough for that. Her sexual attraction is not for batman

>>95090531
>batwoman would be a better character straight

how

>>95090444
>Poison Ivy has never once expressed any attraction to any male in all her years

A large part of her origin is her falling hard for her professor and this backfiring on her.

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>>95090697
>words of love

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>>95090444

>>95090444
I'm gonna steal a play from Tumblr's handbook here and accuse you of being a bigoted, bisexual-erasing, monster.

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>>95090633
According to Azzarello she loves it when he beats her, pretty 50 shades.

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>>95089950
I know that the past year or two, idiots on this board have been trying really, really hard to rewrite history in a way that pretends girl-on-girl isn't hot anymore, but most of those characters were made bi to pander to guys, not butch dykes.

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>>95089950
>>95090802

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>>95089466
>>95089586
>>95090448
Nah, totes straight here
t. Chuck Dixon

>>95090856
In the script he actually wrote DON'T MAKE THIS GAY, the artist didn't listen.

>>95090881
More like the artist purposefully made it as gay as possible just to fuck with him

>>95090444
She literally calls Batman her lover back in No Man's Land

>>95090707
>>95090743
neither of those express attraction. just need for attention

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>>95090974
>being this in denial
Your precious lesbian is actually bisexual, get the fuck over it faggot.
She likes plants more than either gender anyway

>>95090752
Harley becoming a rape victim always bothered me about her. She was great as crazy. This whole anti hero trip is completely destroying her character

>>95090820
Who /stepmom/ electoral master race here?

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>>95090974
Maybe SHE is the one who is Bat-Sexual

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>>95090802
you cant claim that when they actively desexualize them and make them look like this

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>>95090974
>if he wins he goes free
>>95091024
And Rucka wrote that arc too so you know it's legit, that guy loves his lesbians.

>>95090856
HA GHEY!

>>95090856
That is easily one of the gayest panels I've ever seen. In ANY media, including yuri manga.

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>>95090856
Canary would make any women gay at least a little. Myself included

>>95091030
Firstly, I'm actually a bit attracted to that Harley design. It's not ideal but it feels like it's trying to scratch my goth girls itch.

Second, a guy being bad at drawing faces is not indicative of a political agenda. Why do you have to actively search for conspiracies, aren't the ones that already exist enough for you?

>>95091024
How did her arm get that high up? Was she dismembered?

>>95090820
>haiwaii is asian, 3 cartoon states
What the fuck

>>95090856
Dixon has a knack for writing a lot of unintentional gay scenes.

>>95091115
Asian girl fetish eventually evolves into Hentai. It's kinda like Pokemon.

>>95091115
I assume the Hawaiians are looking for chicks who look like their neighbors.

>>95090856
I'm gonna show this to my normie sister and get her opinion, brb.

>>95091054
hella gay. except for the new marvel stuff like i think the new Wasp is hella weird like this

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>>95090444
She once literally stopped her plans for plant domination just for some frosty dick.

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>>95090820
Rhode Island keeping it classy

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>>95091113
Clayface literally jizzed all over her and has had her stuck up there for months. Other panels make it clearer that it was just bad art

>>95091059
everyone is free to be attracted. I'm not going to sit here and argue preference of drawing. But she used to be hella attractive. Now she's a 6 out of 10 at best. Means there's still some people who will find her attractive but she;s still mediocre

Why are you in such denial about the "conspiracy" you're like a climate change denier. No matter how much evidence is put in front of you you just wont believe it

>>95091188
I refuse to believe there is only 1 MILF state. How old is this?

>>95091113
no. totally normal. my right arm is above the left side of my head too

>>95091211
"The artist is bad ON PURPOSE! He's drawing chicks ugly just to stop me from getting a boner!"

That's literally what you're saying right now. It's fucking embarrassing.

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>>95091192
No Man's Land was really well written in general, but a few writers (Dini mostly) had her back as a villain for the rest of the event despite making this agreement with Batman

>>95091246
>he hasn't read NuCarol

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>>95091192
>Clayface literally jizzed all over her and has had her stuck up there for months
Is this a new fetish?

>>95091162
Ok, she said it was pretty gay, but the outfits were pretty cool. Thought Barbara was Black Widow though at first.

>>95091264
Oh fuck you with ALL the dicks. You KNOW that changing the hair and removing the tits on purpose is way different than being bad at drawing faces.

>>95091310
normie confirm. Hella gay.

>>95091313
different anon here, Ivy's tits still look pretty nice to me.

>>95091338
This is what I'm saying! They still look like they're supposed to be hot in that picture except their faces, which is clearly the result of a lack of talent, not a deliberate choice.

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Hi I'm captain Marvel. Ask me why I look like a boy

>>95091351
Because Anka drew you?

>>95091368
That'll do it.

And If she actually WAS male, he'd have drawn her as a bear with no shirt on and those "if chaps were a shirt" sleeves male strippers wear.

>>95091036
again it's attention and she feels powerful. Not actual attraction. My point is a healthy minded Ivy would never be attracted to a man. The only healthy realionship she has is with Harley

Even catwoman is shown to more idolize Bruce and that their relationship is toxic. The girl in her comic was showing her to be more healthy for Selina

>>95091397
You're weird. Quit projecting your personal desires onto fictional characters and go outside.

>>95091397
>The only healthy realionship she has is with Harley
Ah I get it, it's the autistic Harlivy faggot

>>95091246
Either your advocating for purposely drawing girls badly so guys wont be attracted to them or 2. (im assuming) you're claiming the guy is a terrible artist (yet you claim to like the drawing) so which is it?

>>95091394
>>95091368
>>95091351
she honestly looks like Steve Rogers, not gonna lie. I can't be attracted to that. Strength doesn't have to equal ugly

>>95091443
I have outright SAID the guy is a bad artist multiple times. How can you be this dense?

>>95091473
You're right, it doesn't.

But Kris Anka is a gay man attracted to thick, beefy dudes, and he can't help it bleeding into his work.

He's also really bad at costume design. There's a whole site dedicated to his shit taste in costumes called "Project Rooftop"

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>>95091416
it's true. Bruce and Selina are usually portrayed to be toxic but they can't let go of each other

>>95090820
Milfs arent getting any real love, not even a central region dedicated to them

>>95091557
Not the ones I was talking about, but now I'm thinking the way you throw around the word "toxic" also raises some red flags about your need to get the fuck out of the house and experience real life.

>>95091557
I don't think you know what "Toxic" means in relation to a relationship.

>>95091397

>Even catwoman is shown to more idolize Bruce and that their relationship is toxic. The girl in her comic was showing her to be more healthy for Selina

What the fuck are you even talking about? We saw almost nothing of her and Eiko's "relationship", but we did see how terribly it ended up. And I don't see how her and Bruce is a "toxic" relationship.

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Hi I'm Power Girl. It would be great if /co/ could redesign me so I'm not sexual anymore that would be appreciated. I want to be a good role model for young girls of all races. And they can't see me dressed like this right anon?

Maybe I should ask my next artist and writer to design me without my boob hole. That would make me more feminist right? I want to be a feminist.

>>95091557

Is this supposed to support your argument? Because that's a pretty sweet page.

>>95089817
Holy shit Selina even looks like Tracer in that Left Panel.

Gay Confirmed

>>95091505
Then the problem lies with who they are hiring. The writers themselves should not be hired. Most of them are just girls and gay dudes with no comic experience. And they get defended somehow.

We need pervy dudes to write pervy stuff

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>>95091630
Here's your redesign Peej

>>95091593
>>95091608

toxic was a word before SJWs coopted it. Their relationship has always been described with that word.

>>95091692
>Their relationship has always been described with that word.

By you maybe, but you've established yourself to be a self-inserting weirdo so why would anyone listen to you?

>>95091733
Ignore autistic Harlivyfag and his wish to drag all other ships down while praising a ship that originated as fap bait for DCAU writers

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>>95091633
They consistently go behind each other's backs and sabotage each other for personal gain reasons. They can never be together because of their identity issues. And even if they did get together (like they did in Hush and when Catwoman was Catbird) they end up falling apart for some reason or another

PS in that panel you're supposed to realize how she was hoping he came to be supportive and show love. But he's just there for the danger. That's why she gives him the dirty look. Because he wasn't there to see her. He's only there to do his job

>>95091692

Then define how their relationship is toxic.

>>95091683
of her tits were bigger i'd honestly be attracted to her. That's not Riri is it? Looks like a white power ranger honestly

>>95091771
>>95091733
wow you guys are SEETHING

>>95091827
No, it's Tanya Spears, she was Power Girl in Teen Titans for a while
She's honestly an okay character (definitely not as shit as Riri)

>>95091791
>They consistently

Except they don't.
There's almost no consistency in it at all. The only reason they ever betray or go behind each other's backs is because for the longest time, DC demanded they reestablish the status quo.
They seem to want to mix shit up now with Rebirth, since Marvel has shown that perpetually single heroes with no family or children isn't as popular as they'd like it to be with readers.

>>95089466
Wouldn't you be?

>>95090111
>long before of the representation boom

It's not true. They made some, very slight fanservice more for fanboys, until 2011 there were not a gay business between them and in 2011 Gotham City Sirens showed Ivy had some one side thing and Harley chose Joker over her. So they became bi until the boom of representation and just like Selina, you know, she's bi but she's going to be Bruce's wife

>>95091791

>They consistently go behind each other's backs and sabotage each other for personal gain reasons.

No they don't. In that page, Batman trusted her to get the job done, and yeah she was mad because he didn't tell her everything, but they both knew he'd end up paying her back proper, which is why next page she leaves with a smile on her face.

>PS in that panel you're supposed to realize how she was hoping he came to be supportive and show love. But he's just there for the danger. That's why she gives him the dirty look. Because he wasn't there to see her. He's only there to do his job

Her dirty look was towards the consigliere who was trying to eavesdrop on them.

>>95091868
Ok I like that design. Though I dont think she needed to replace Power Girl but I could honestly see myself interested in her as a character

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>>95089447
>>95089750
>>95089365
>well there goes my interest in DC

>>95089365
Practically everyone in that picture is bisexual so I dont know what the hell OP is REEEEE-ing about

>>95092004
But that's why the relationship is toxic. That's not how a healthy relationship works. You gotta tell people things. Communication. They can't communicate and because of that it's a dangerous situation.

And ok you might be right about the dirty look and I read that wrong the first time but my point still remains valid.

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>>95092034
She didn't really replace her. Powergirl was from Earth-2 during the New52, and was only active on the main earth for a little bit. She had a covered up costume, but then switched back to her regular boob-hole one, and then went back to Earth-2 for an awful event/storyline. Tanya barely replaced her, as she just got her title from her.
Powergirl (E-2) is MIA right now, and Tanya is being written really well in Deathstroke right now. Slade was wearing someone else's costume, and she fixed him up when he was injured. She followed him around, and thought he was a hero (because he never denied it) until Beast Boy saw him.

>>95092089
they are only bisexual cause comics know how to play longtime readers into accepting the relationship. The point isn't bi or gay. The point is they are in a gay relatinship and that's gay af

>>95092197
But isnt Selina marrying Bruce?

>>95090820
>the most arguably racist states in the country fetishize black people
>the state that got infamously decked by japan in WW2 fetishizes asians

>>95092178

Except they weren't in a relationship in that page.

>>95092256

The most arguably racist states in the country also have the highest black populations in the country.

So the search results aren't all that surprising.

>>95092256
A LOT of black people live in Georgia.

>>95089365
Bisexuality is still faggotry therefore degeneracy.


Being bi is one off the most forced fake things in the world

>>95092179
Sounds like an ok story and I'm honestly considering giving it a read. She looks good and I really like Deathstroke. But when i say replace I mean in a writers room way. They chose not to include Power Girl (e-2) to replace her with this character. It's the same way they replaced Captain America with falcon or Thor with Jane. They are still "technically" around but really the story is setting it up so they can be pushed aside later (most likely in movies)

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>>95092234
I'm honestly not sure. Ever since the Joker vs Riddler Civil War ripoff issues I'm not sure where they are at. When they were talking about marriage it was awhile ago. A couple issues ago she shows back up in current time with long hair

I'll be honest the new batman comics are written in a narraration style that sometimes makes me miss stuff. But as for the marriage. It really hasn't been talked about at all since he actually proposed. They just jumped right into Joker vs Riddler and she was awol until this panel

>>95090820
proof of the gay agenda

>>95092464
That scene is not set in the present, anon.

The Joker/Riddler story arc is a flashback to Batman's early years. The entire premise of it is that, in the present day, Bruce is telling Selina the story of "the worst thing he ever did" so that she knows what she's getting into before they get married.

>>95092464
>>95092508
The top panel isn't in the present, I mean. The bottom two are, that's where he's telling the story.

>>95092508
>>95092565
that makes sense. Like i said the narraration style just kinda confused me. hindsight it's pretty obvious

>>95089365
I think this SJW kinda proves that men and women can't share the same space. It's not that either is inferior. We just want different things. I like to live vicariously through men characters and they dont. And if you want to tell a good story you have to choose your perspective. A character geared towards me is most likely going to be a bit misogynistic and sexist. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just my fantasy. I like sex and violence as a man. Sometimes thats offensive, but ultimately that's why comics thrived. Comics can't thrive without the extremes to go along with good writing

>>95093000
This. The japanese have it right, with separating genres by sex and age.

>>95093344
Do you mean like adult vs not adult? I dont know anything about Japanese content

>>95093621
Gross
Why do they ruin characters in order to make boring yuri ships?

>>95089950
>butch dykes dont even like comics.
How would you know that tho?

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>>95089750
>Try talking to women sometime.
>he said
>to the wizards of /co/
WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE???

>>95090745
You should, Bierasure is very prevalent with a lot of people mistaking it as being gay in waiting.

>>95093647
this. it's not bad. but holy fucking hell it's boring

>>95093481
Little kids, 10-15 boys, 10-15 girls, adult men, adult women, mainly, and then sub-demographics within those. Although some boy manga, especially sports, have readership that's about evenly split between boys and girls.

>>95089622
>When will DC make TimKon canon?
They supposedly are making Dick bisexual, so they will probably leave the other Robins alone.

>>95093963
Where did you hear that?
I really doubt they're making Dick bi considering all the gay shit about Batman and Robin normies believe

Has Ivy ever used her pheromones on a woman?

>>95093988
Someone mentioned it in a thread a few weeks ago. Not a reliable source, I know, but a few other posters seemed to agree with the theory.

>>95094014
Loeb had her use it on Catwoman in Hush, I think Supergirl got it too at one point.

>>95094041
I really doubt it
I can only really see them making Damian LGBT out of all the Robins because he's Bruce's son and hopefully immune from all the pedophilia jokes

>>95094112
isn't Damian like 12? there's no way to pull off an arc like that for a kid that age without coming off as creepy

>>95090378
I don't recall them erasing his past relationships. What issue was that?

>>95094164
I meant when he inevitably got older

>>95094212
ok, that might be more likely

>>95092178
Bruce and Selina are in some kind of romantic business since 1940, popular culture identifies them as the supreme batman couple. There isn't much to discuss.

>>95094164
there's literally gay people in the country getting praised by the media for making their 7 year old watch and get indoctrinated into gay porn. saying it's healthy. You think SJWs care aobut creepy? there's no creepy when someone's gay

>>95094194
i think he means they are kinda just ignoring it

>>95092464
anon, this is really the story of their relationship, even if Selina says no, it means Bruce has to do something to make up for whatever he did in order to marry Selina.

Selina is Bruce's love interest and his wife soon so the bi matter is very dead.

>>95089464
Sorry dude, bi people will exist no matter how much you hate them

>>95090378
I think gay Selina stayed in N52 so if Rebirth doesn't bring it up then she isn't bi or anything else but Bruce's wife.

>>95089365
You say that like batman himself isn't a faggot with a clown fetish

>>95090378
BTW anon, Harley and Ivy aren't bi in canon, I have never seen them kissing or talking about their "relationship" as romantic in canon instead we got HarleyFlag in Suicide Squad.

>>95094917
thats implying the marriage will ever happen, but it wont

Not even /tv/ has this retarded stupid threads, i'm just fucking done with this site.

>>95095022
You don't read Harley's book, do you?

>>95091192
How exactly does electricity works against clay?

>>95093988

Not to mention they've actually doubled down on shipping him with all the ladies.

>>95095134
"oh ive been with so many women, but none of them ever made me feel whole. But being with you gives me a different feeling, like i can be totally open with you and finally be who i really am"

>>95095077
Bye Felicia. If I knew threads like this got rid of people like you I might have mad a thread like it myself.

We should post more threads like this

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>>95095315
>Bye Felicia

>>95095275
Who would this be directed to?

>>95095521
Deathstroke
He's talking about his secret urge to kill

>>95095095
don't you know that shit is NO CANON?

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>>95089365

>Catwoman
>gay

u wot?

>>95095060
Selina is his ship, the marriage is going to happen, Bruce is going to make an spiritual trip in order to get the right to be with her but everybody knows he is going to get the girl, even if they don't get married and I doubt it seriously, Selina is his main ship since 1940 whatever gay thing they did, it fade into nothing, they ignore it when the real ship is brought up.

What we know from issues coming is that Bruce is going to make that spiritual trip to improve himself, you know, your epic quest to be worthy, that's the next arc and "Bruce made a decision is going to change Damian life forever" quoting from an issue for october.

>>95089365
Well it's either "they're all gay" or "they're all in love with Batman" which is actually worse.

>>95096103
Batman isn't a man, he's a hero. The fact he's not a man i think is what attracts people

>>95089466
Yeah she was fucking both Dick and Dinah, and they all knew about each other. They came close to having a threesome several times.

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>>95093621
called her out on her shitty yuri fan fic

>>95093621
anyone els think Poison Ivy looks like Rihanna?

>>95093621
Thanks God that's bombshells and non canon...And it is not getting a movie, Joker and Harley are getting a movie.

>>95096226
>thewhoreblockedme.jpg
Charming

>>95096226
dont they have blockbots where they block anyone on a list?

>>95090856
I still can't believe they let Chuck Dixon write Midnighter

>>95089365

Because you would bitch just as much about muh SJW boogieman if they made entirely new gay/bi-curious characters and gave them a spotlight.

>>95096767

I'm willing to bet the logic was
>Well he writes a good batman, so writing a gay Batman shouldn't be any different

>>95097089
true. the problem is catering to the gay agenda overall and forgetting about your core audience

>>95097227

I'm absolutely fuming that my dirty lesbian slash fantasies have been made canon! How dare they!

>>95097227
>the problem is catering to the gay agenda overall and forgetting about your core audience
The problem is that people who claim to be the latter are offended by the former.

>>95097487
the problem is also the former being offended by the latter

>>95089750
>I don't think you realize that a lot of women are at least a little bisexual.

According to the Kinsey scale sexuality is a spectrum and most people are not 100% gay or straight and instead fall somewhere between the two, or they are not asexual.

>>95097409
the problem is the lesbian storylines at least included us and we could have input. Now if we speak on it we are instantly insulted and bullied for our ideas. So it's not YOUR dirty lesbian slash fantasies. It's a gay couple who don't want your opinion on how they operate.

then again feminists picked the perfect industry. Nerdy guys just really dont have the self esteem to stand up for themselves. Most nerds are just happy tto be talked to or acknowledged and will literally give everything to a girl to acknowledge them. Look at twitch stream girls. They get rich because betas want to pretend like they are friends

>>95090305

Iceman is entirely different because it's been handled poorly every step of the way and his entire character basically consists of being gay now. Not true with other characters.

>>95093000
>I think this SJW kinda proves that men and women can't share the same space.

Or you could just man the fuck up and not cry every time a giant company like DC and Marvel implements changes to their product that you disagree with.

>>95089382
iceman

>>95092484
yes of course. the gay agenda. it's the worst. they knock on people's doors and to tell people the good news of their lord and savior elton john. the gay agenda.

>>95094041
Homos on here have been saying that for years. It's just a pipedream, anon, the only Robins they'd consider making bi are Damian and arguably Tim.

>>95089622
DC doesn't care about Tim and Kon anymore and Tim has lost most of his defining traits to other Batfam members so maybe they'll use him as a diversity ploy and make him being the 'gay/bi Robin' his thing, stay hopeful I guess

>>95089365
Every single one of those cartoon characters takes cartoon dick. You faggots are getting pathetic. Even if they didn't, it wouldn't affect your dick one way or another, and it's not like anybody is learning lessons from comics. It's time to stop giving a shit.

>>95090633
You're gonna need some help moving that goalpost.

>>95097227
Don't lump regular people in with you autistic manbabies. Acknowledging that gay exists is what you retards call an agenda. To normal people, it's just life. There is no avenue for it to exist in comics without you bitches being threatened by your boogeymen agendas, by your own admission. Simple solution, ignore you and go on with making comics.

>>95098723
nothing wrong with gays. shoehorning characters or changing them to "virtue signal" for liberals is bullshit though. liberals divide people along lines of alienated labor. gay comic characters isn't stopping trump from making the military a bigoted dumpster fire on top of being a fascist dumpster fire

>>95098927
>gay comic characters isn't stopping trump from making the military a bigoted dumpster fire on top of being a fascist dumpster fire

Not, but promoting acceptance and equality will inspire younger people to grow up not being bigoted assholes who thinks being gay somehow disqualifies you from military service because muh bible.

>>95097536
And diversity is the solution to that problem, which leads directly to the problem of self-proclaimed "true fans" being offended by diversity, treating it as a personal attack on them, and interpreting it as an invasion of evil.

>>95098927
ANY gay character is seen as being shoehorned. There is no win-win here. If gay exists, then whiney faggots will be upset that they are anywhere in their favorite comics. The idea is that if you're told a character is gay, then they are not just a character, they're a political point being made. There is no way for a character to be either revealed to be gay or bi without it throwing up the red flags.

And don't get me wrong, liberals DO ruin stories with bullshit messages. And when they do, they should be roundly ridiculed. When Marvel ruins stories by being too stupid to make new characters and pissing all over legacies, implying that all this history and lore the characters have are just fodder to be tossed out in leiu of whatever issues they feel like pushing or when DC makes Wonder Woman talk about "man-splaining" that sounds like she's quoting some bullshit Vox or Salon article, THAT is the insult to core readers.

Shit like Catwoman having a relationship with her "successor" was definitely stupid, like all her other flings, but it wasn't inorganic to the story. That's really all that matters.

>>95099316

What makes it stupid in regards to Catwoman? You seem to be implying any type of romantic encounter is by default not good when it's her.

>>95089750
yeah, most women are pretty open to exploring their sexuality with other women. All my girlfriends have at least experimented with other women. Makes it pretty easy to get threesomes going

>>95089365
Ivy is Pansexual
Harley is Bi-Curious
Catwoman is probably Bi
Barbara is straight (she REALLY loves DICK, ok?)
Batwoman is Lesbiants
Montoya is Lesbiants

>>95097536
diversity is dead cause the normal readers that really spend money constantly don't want their characters going gay. Whatever readers don't want to see has to be changed in order to sell.

They have the right to feel offended if they want or in other words they can buy whatever they want. Publishers have to react

>>95099252
if they honestly don't enjoy the product and that's the case then they have the right to drop the books, it results in an answer from the publisher. You can't force people to be pleased with diversity and people supporting diversity is not equivalent to the chunk of readers against it.

>>95099719
your girlfriends are whores hahaha

>>95100607
>>95100637
Normal reader are completely fine with diversity. The people who don't is a snall vocal minority that doesn't actually care about comics.

>>95097227
anon they don't care about anything else, the only thing is important for that people is how gay they are, they need to turn popular characters into gay characters cause a gay character usually is not popular but they are not really interested in stories unless a gay character is involved, though the tendency is strong on internet. They aren't enough to control the industry that's why after a while and after they got a lot of gay money DC is coming back to normal, leaving the gay shit in some specific books for that specific audience, cleaning up more important products.

They were outnumered and that's the only reason.

>>95100662
if diversity means gay sales has showed they aren't fine with it.

>>95100707
*have

>>95100707
>sales has showed they aren't fine with it.
Yeah that's bullshit.

>>95100716
comic book stores have explained it clearly, they were losing customers.

>>95100662
>normal readers
are not Wednesday Warriors.

>>95100728
>they were losing customers.
Not because of diversity.

All your favourite comic characters are gay :)))))))

>>95100763
Marvel isn't giving characterfags what they want, so yes, the "diversification" is a factor.

>>95100803
and then they're going to erase it with a new reality, this reboot or something else.

>>95100763
comic book stores said diversity was a big reason so diversity wasn't convenient.

>>95090062
And she's a cuck

>>95089485
seriously this. Has OP seriously never heard of bi-sexual characters made solely for the purpose of teenage boners? This isn't showing homo-eroticism as empowering or whatever dumb conspiracy you've hatched

>>95089750
>Batwoman gay

this character was created to be gay instead of an established character turned into gay. Interestingly her sales are shit, I wonder why? Rucka isn't a bad writer, what happened with this book?

There is not an audience for this shit.

>>95090856
Well.

Didn't ship it before, now I do.

>>95092256
>states with the most blacks and asians search for a lot of black and asian porn

Shocker

>>95098410
I feel sorry for Timfags already.

>>95101081
Batwoman trades sell fairly well though, especially Eulegy. The current book isn't written by Rucka...it's just not very well written

>>95089365
i know /co/ hates rucka but how he handled batwoman being gay was the right way to do it
she wasn't for starts just gay
she was a army brat
a survive of a kidnapping and saw her mother killed
she was a cadet that left the army over the gay thing
she was also a daddies girl
before you write a gay character ask your self would a straight person act like that. if the answer is no then you are on the right track.
this same trick can be applied to white vs black characters
male and female characters.
a token character is no substitute for well written character no matter what what skin tone or genitals they have

>>95101120
Batwoman sells 24ks, 92 in sales for its issue #5 after rebirth.

>>95093647
I like their Bombshells version actually more than the canon one right now.

>>95101120
Midnighter? It was under 20Ks after 5 issues.

>>95101199
her origin is pretty fucking rough. It's a very interesting origin IMO

>>95093647
cause they can't get their own caracters and basically those people are shit.

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>>95092256
Southern whites are just mad they can't have qt black slave girls to bang any more.

>>95101308
god i hate this with every fibre of my soul
i now hate comics because of this shit

>>95101261
I also liked that she was inspired to wear a costume because Bruce helped her. Kinda hilarious since they are cousins.

>>95101333
really i didnt know they were cousins
i guess the cape and cowl runs in the family

>>95101081
Rucka hasn't written Batwoman for years

>>95101333
and then she was a bitch to him. which fits her character cause she's stubborn as hell and wanted to prove that she can do stuff herself. Which gets her into shit. Which is great, a character should have flaws.

>>95101356
maybe she just needs some batcock

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Harley Quinn is Poison Ivy main love interest, one could say that Harley is Ivy's only love interest..

>>95101349
Mother's side. They even mention the cousin thing in Arkham Knight.

>>95101308
Oh so romantic cause she's touching her ass! that sucks even as romantic story.

but the thing is that this shitty page in a non canon book is all what yurifags are going to get, never a real relationship or something akin. Not even Palmiotti is a shipper, he prefers Red Tool despite the fanservice.

>>95101228
there were several DCYou comics about straight people and they all sold like shit

>>95101356
What I really liked about her comic was the artshift between in and out of costume.

>>95101355
yeah, good writers aren't for books with low sales, that was the matter.

>>95101385
Batwoman didn't even have a solo series while Rucka was writing her, she was under Detective Comics with the Question

>>95101378
Bombshells Harley/Ivy is better, really.

>>95101371
hahahahaa The swamp thing had a great and respeted book with Ivy

>>95101385
remember when comics finally got out of their dark 90s edgy age and books sold because of brilliant writing and passion for stories and characters....no i dont ether

>>95101385
Detective Comics did pretty well under Rucka, and Batwoman did pretty well in the New 52 under Williams in New 52, so there was clearly an audience

>>95101382
JH Williams III is one of the most brilliant artists in comics. Far too few artists adjust their style to fit the story they are telling

>>95101429
JHW3 Batwoman was a low seller, that's why he was kicked off and they they got Batwoman involved in crossovers.

>>95101513
he left Batwoman well before Rebirth

>>95101513
taking JH Williams III off Batwoman killed it. No, it wasn't a huge seller but it was one of the most acclaimed New 52 books. DC have kept low selling books around if they are well liked. Flintstones didn't sell very well, neither did Prez but DC kept them longer than Marvel would have. This is cause they know that if they have a good book it will continue to sell in trades. JH Williams III Batwoman series is one of those that continues to sell decently in trades.

>>95101659
I wish DC had kept Prez longer than Marvel would have. 6 issues wasn't enough.

I don't get why people are pushing Harley and Ivy.

>>95091257
I loved no man's land, great arc. Some eh stuff, but thats mostly when you consider the rest of the dcu

Did Harley and Ivy have any proper romantic of sexual scenes together, pre-Flashpoint? Kisses or anything? Or is it all in the new continuity?

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>>95089365
>Characters live in universe where reality gets punched every week
>technology for them changes
>back history changes
>personality changes
>somehow impossible sexual orientation does too

Don't see the problem op. Especially when Bats is still straight white male who is rich and a self insert.

>>95101429
numbers my friend, their audience is very temporal, since they normally don't read comics.

>>95101884
and Batwoman pulled decent numbers under Rucka, and again in the New 52 until Williams left

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>>95101749
Because Ivy's has been with Harley since the beginning and a lot of people connects with their relationship, Harley first comic appearance was with Ivy back in Batman Adventures #9

>>95101814
There were plenty of hugs and one scene in Harley's old solo that had Ivy wondering why Harley isn't in a relationship with her

>>95101942
Yeah but didn't they try to do Ivy/Harley back in Gotham Sirens and Ivy still picked Joker over her (friendship), personally I think it's a bad pairing since they're great as friends and I think pushing them as a couple would ruin the characters.

>>95101817
Too much change is bad also if it's okay to change straight character into bi/gay does it mean it's okay to change them into straight? And also were you fine with Marvel changing Bobby gay in the most ridiculous way?

>>95101976
That's the thing that people like about their relationship, is not that Harley chose Joker or anything like that but the fact that they (Harley and Ivy) have made their friendship work even through that. Harley and Ivy is one of the few female villains friendships that have endure through time. Their friendship, their whole relationship is a testament of true trust. That's what made the pairing so fascinating to people, also because a lot of people connect with Harley and see that Ivy is the right choice for Harley since a lot of people in Harley's position have had a friend like Ivy that had helped them through and through

>>95102028
Yeah I get what you're saying, they're great as friends but as a couple? It's awful.

>>95101976
pairing her with Ivy maintains her as a villain, keeps the character trait of falling in love with people who aren't good for her, and gives the character more agency as DC pushes her as a fourth pillar

>>95102049
We haven't seen them as a couple, sure there's Bombshells but even there the aspect of them as a couple haven't been properly explored.

>>95102055
Is Harley or Ivy even villains now? Isn't Ivy part of the BoP again? also I hate how they're pushing Harley desu, I don't like her as a character. Not a lot to go for besides "LolsoCrazy" but that's just me.

>>95089750
>poison ivy
>child
pics or it didn't happen.

>>95090044
Dammit, What a waste of dubs. Just lurk more.

>>95090062
Is Carrie Kelly gay?

>>95102151
Carrie is a kid.

>>95090411
>SWAMPED

>>95090531
>Anytime a girl character fails in the future they will turn her gay.

Hmmm.. Hey Kamala! Gwenpool! Silk! Spider Woman, Captain Marvel! I've got GREAT news!

>>95102025
>Marvel
Marvel is a shit house these days that has managed to go so far left in an inept way that its pretty much racist to everyone. The Iceman thing was 100% shit, although it could be interesting if it later turned out Jean mind raped him. But we know that will never happen.

Gay to straight, sure why not. If that were happening it would mean comics reached a point where there is actually enough gay/bi characters people gave a shit about in the first place to reality punch a new backstory.

The bigger problem is that we're going to keep seeing these changes crop up because cape shit by its nature is resistant to change and hates ANY new characters. Especially when most writers can only make gay/black/etc the only talking point of new characters.

>>95098410
>Tim
>defining traits

>>95101921
under 20Ks after 2 years

>>95102206
Williams' last issue was 25K

>>95101921
besides the problem with that "audience" is that they support whatever is gay but cause they are a reduced market there aren't enough people to support a title in long term.

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>>95089750
>Plant lady seductress. Man, woman, small child
>child

Citation fucking needed. Ivy may have kissed Dick back when he was Robin, but she has always stuck to at least mid-teens as far as I recall.

No need for images, but some references would be good if you are going to make a claim like that.

>>95102271
just keep moving those goalposts, I guess

>>95101976
In Gotham Sirens that happened cause writers and DC flirt with gay fanservice but at the end they won't be gay cause Harley is Joker's girlfriend just like Catwoman is for Bruce and Ivy was Harley's best friend without gay situation implied.

>>95102196
The Iceman thing is weird since they did said that the o5 aren't really their past selves and are from a different reality right?

>>95102028
no, Harley chose Joker over her and it was stated like that. All this business is queerbaiting, DC is never going to do this real cause It is baiting.

>>95102304
the O5 are a complete clusterfuck, it's reached the point where it's easier to just ignore the X-Men until they've been resolved

>>95102055
nah their "open relationship" is like that cause It's just queerbaiting.

>>95102271
fuck off. People were reading it cause JH Willaims III is an amazing artist

>>95102297
show me some gay character from DC or Marvel with a strong audience for a long while but the character must have been created as gay. Midnighter? nope. Their audience is poor.

>>95102359
but maybe a book going down doesn't need a good artist.

>>95089750
>and women are infinitely more likely to experiment with carpet munching in high school and college than than men are willing to experiment with cock sucking
she thinks this is true lol. Trying to talk to men wont get you anywhere on that but you can't think it's just a female thing. Women are simply more apt to share.

>>95102380
Wonder Woman

>>95102432
are you saying she was created in 1941 to be gay? suure.

>>95102380
were they buying the art or the story and character themselves?

>>95102475
if you'd read anything about Marston's personal life and the creation of Wonder Woman, you'd already know the answer is yes

>>95102497
If you actually did you wouldn't have included that point. Because it doesn't back her as being a gay character at her inception. Just a sexually cathartic one to draw.

Maybe next time you read a The Mary Sue article don't take it as gospel.

>>95102521
I guess Marston was just completely unaware of their latent bisexuality when he chose to deliberately model a hero all about love on his live-in girlfriend who continued living with his wife after his death.

>>95102567
I'm guess you believe Bruce and Dick were/are actually gay too

>>95102603
no, they clearly weren't designed with that in mind

Wonder Woman, on the other hand, clearly was.

>>95102359
were they buying the art or the story and character themselves?

>>95101261

It's almost literally just Batman's origin. Batwoman is arguably the least original character in DC's stable, and thereby the least interesting to anyone who doesn't worship lesbians. Her book doesn't work when when it isn't being carried by god-tier creators like Williams III.

>>95102636
I didn't know Batman was a military cadet who got kicked out of West Point because gay and was inspired by his cousin to dress up like a bat and fight crime with his dad as his Oracle

>>95102609
No, she wasn't. Go get a source other than your ass and some blogger's spitballing and maybe I'll believe you. There are clear sub/dom traits but there is absolutely no connection between her and homosexuality.

Even the atlantic disagrees with the premise you put forth that the girlfriend was a lesbian with the wife (I literally don't know where you got that.) Per atlantic:

>The long-term household arrangement can also seem incongruous with feminism. Lepore glancingly compares the Marston's living arrangements to a "harem," and points out that Holloway was the one whose job as an editor supported the family while Marston flailed about from one hapless scheme to another. "The year … Marston held a press conference about Amazonian rule, Olive Byrne was typing his books and raising his children, and Sadie Elizabeth Holloway was supporting him." She concludes ironically, "A matriarchy Cherry Orchard [the Marston home] was not." Katha Politt echoes that sentiment in her review for The Atlantic print magazine, writing that "Marston had a sweet thing going: two remarkably smart, adoring women to cater to his every need, each apparently believing she’d landed in feminist heaven."

>>95102685
>>95102609
OH wait a second here, in my skimming I missed the spitballing. This was probably the piece you'd have cited. From a bit later in the article:

>Lepore also cites correspondence indicating that Holloway was quite committed to free love experimentation—and she and Byrne lived together after Marston's death for 40 years, at least sometimes sleeping in the same room, as Politt says. Lepore doesn't directly address the question of whether Byrne and Holloway were lovers. But there seems to be every reason to think they were, and that, whatever the initial impetus, the polyamorous relationship was not organized or maintained because Marston, and Marston alone, wanted multiple partners.

So basically "They weree gay cause I think they were gay."

And then you channel that into "since his wives were gay cause this guy says they were gay that means that he wrote wonder woman as a gay woman."

>>95102567
still Wonder Woman wasn't gay, strong woman doesn't mean gay and the guy there was with 2 women not dating with a man and with his wife.

Anyway she wasn't gay in the comic

>>95102721
you're only reason for thinking they weren't gay is "They weren't gay because I think they weren't"

just two gals being pals
living together for forty years
never remarrying

>>95102636
Does Batwoman's origin even work anymore I thought you can't kick people from the military for being gay now.

>>95102771
it's one of those things that will eventually need to be updated

like Frank being a Vietnam vet

unless Trump or Pence institutes DADT 2

>>95102682

>lonely rich child
>watches parent die
>decides to get train to become strong
>decides to become a costumed crime fighter themed as a Bat operating in Gotham
>has father figure acting as her main go-to guy

Throw out the obvious "lesbianism is the central theme of my character" bullshit, and they're almost the same character. Hell she's literally even a long-lost relative, because that makes sense somehow.

>>95102248
just a little over the limit and falling, they know when a book is going down it's about statistics and DC has the real sales to make their math

>>95102819
those goalposts have to be heavy, anon

>>95089365
>hot bi women mostly villains

1. Fanservice. Girl on girl is hot, bi so you still have a chance with them, sexy bi girls are for threesomes.

2. Villains are gay because they're degenerate.

3. All real women are bi.

Wow so progressive.

>>95102682
technically her story is a remake of Montaya when written by Rucka in Gotham Central, they are the same character but with some mix from Batgirl and her red hair.

>>95102756
I see you clearly want to stick to that side of the conversation than the actual, on-topic side.

They weren't gay. They'd simply been living with each other for so much time already. You don't just leave someone like that. They'd literally been a family even if it wasn't normal. Lovers or not they had a connection.

And this is still completely ignoring the fact that you take that ASSUMPTION and use it to assume that Marston wrote wonder woman as a lesbian. Despite the fact that, unlike the bdsm connections, there is no in-story clues for that being true.

>>95102856
yes I can see how
>cop who falls into alcoholism after finding out her partner was killed by a corrupt cop who won't be prosecuted and is then pulled out of her hole by a Zen guy trying to find a successor for his question-asking
is then remade into
>military cadet is kicked out of West Point for being gay and is inspired by her cousin to be a costumed superhero
totally the same

>>95091488
yet you said you're attracted to it? I think it's obvious you're the one who have shit tastes.

>>95101221
>Clearly say trades sell well
>Let me pull out an unrelated number
Off yourself. Even admitted the current book is crap.

>>95089837
>>95089817
I think you're confusing Birds of Prey and Harley having shit artists from actively trying to desexualize them.

>>95102907
she was kicked out of West Point, Montoya was afraid they were going to kick her out of Police cause she was in a secret relationship. Both characters in forces.

Batgirl's daddy is a cop, Batwoman's daddy was a soldier.

>>95089950
>>The current Batwoman and the Batwoman from the 60's are not the same Batwoman.
>it's new 52 comics. So I don't see what your point of this is. Characters are written by people and they were all written to be gay purposely. I don't understand why you would use that as an excuse? Again look at the whole board, not just your next chess move.

Except Kate has been gay since before Flashpoint you fucking idiot.

>so you mean pansexual? again part of the LGBT therefore she's gay.
She likes plants you fucking idiot. That's not gay. She's probably heavy into Swamp Thing and last I checked Swamp Thing is still a guy.

>>95103008
It's the issue #5 anon, just think what it is going to be in 6 months

>>95103037
but Montoya wasn't kicked out of the police. Kate getting kicked out of West Point is her whole reason for becoming Batwoman. Montoya become sthe Question for entirely different reasons, unrelated to her sexuality in any way.

>>95102827
numbers are numbers barely 25Ks I would abandon the ship too, good writers and artist are moved when books have poor performance

>>95103094
he left because DC wouldn't let Kate and Maggie get married

>>95103071
Montoya was worried that people could know though they didn't kick her, she didn't want her conduct were public. The base of the character is the same, events after are development.

>ITT:
>Lesbians aren't hot and BiSexuality is gay despite it basically being a free pass to get a FMF threesome
>Why won't they make my Male Gay Ships Canon
>NUH UH POISON IVY ONLY LIKES GIRLS
>Projection
>Characters turning Gay is bad but New Characters being Gay is also bad.

>>95103103
and the book was at those 25Ks anon, the patter is very common in comics.

>>95103115
Montoya's sexuality is at best a side-note used for one arc, while it's central to Kate's character. Renee is more focused around her family, her alcoholism, and fighting corruption.

>>95089365
>tfw it's always women who are by never gay dudes
>even those most chicks only kiss other chicks to turn guys on
this is bullshit.

>>95103142
Straight guys are flat out not interested in reading or writing about gay men doing gay things.

>>95102808
wow, by that logic, Batwoman is a near 1:1 copy of almost every superhero too!

>Fights Bad Guys
>Wears a Costume
>Upholds Justice
>Has A Secret Identity

You can make every character a copy of every character if you distill their characteristics to something homogenized and just pick out the common denominators you fucking idiot. Fuck, I can make fucking Plastic Man into fucking Batman by that logic

>Accident happens that changes their world view
>Trains with monks and shit
>Uses his newly developed skills to fight crime
>Has a sidekick they picked out of pity
>Is easily one of the most unbeatable beings in their respective universe because of the amount of skill and technique they have and the nature of how they work.

>>95103172
My point is it's not diversity it's just fapbait even though ivy/harley was garbage.

>>95103194
>I can make fucking Plastic Man into fucking Batman.
I'll buy that for a dollar.
>but comics cost three bu-
I'll. Buy. That. For. A. Dollar.

>>95103055
I LITERALLY SAY THE CURRENT BOOK IS CRAP. WHAT ARE YOU NOT GETTING HERE? I'M USING TRADE NUMBERS. BATWOMAN ELEGY SELLS WELL, THE JH WILLIAM RUN SOLD WELL. ARE YOU JUST THAT FUCKING INEPT!?

>>95103239
he finally got you, anon

>>95103194

How many heroes grew up rich and lonely, saw their parents die, specifically sought out training as a response to trauma, dressed like a Bat in all black, fight crime in Gotham, and have their father-figure as their right-hand man?

You truly are a fucking idiot. No wonder you like Batwoman.

>>95103137
Montoya had many problems but obviously the pictures were a horror scenario for her and anyway it was more or less the same base and written by Rucka too. Batwoman was Montoya + some Batgirl traits like her cute hair.

Speaking of Batwoman, I don't like her in the batfamily, not only is she acting superior to the rest of the family (acts like she's the right hand of Bruce) I personally thought she worked better solo. Batfamily is bloated.

>>95103278
the only similarities between the two are that they're lesbians, written by Rucka, and superheroes

>>95103239
hahahahahahaha non gay kisses anon. 25 Ks are not hard to read

>>95102279

Like I thought. My perception of Ivy remains untwisted.

>>95103318
they had the same dilema and situation in the force. Her behavior is similar. Plus Barb looks and daddy.

>>95103274
>They're the same-er!
>Ignoring that only Kate's Mother and Sister died
>Ignoring that Kate got into the Military not because of the trauma but for fatherly approval
>Ignoring how the stigma for what causes her to become a hero is because Batman saved her and not because her parents died
>Ignoring how Kate was never established to have grown up as rich as Bruce but rather married into it when her dad remarried