What gave Scooby-Doo so much staying power that similar shows

>>94978488
Like many other things, it simply came first.

>>94978488

They lacked the heart that Scooby-Doo had. Jabberjaw was like the same show mixed with the Archies.

>>94978488
Jabberjaw is a scooby doo ripoff like a lot of shows at the time. Scooby Doo was first, and made an impact when it came out.

>>94978488
WHAT DOES SCOOBY DOO THAT WE NEGLECT?!

>>94978488
No Shaggy or Scooby, even in the original they pretty much carried the show which had the right amount of comic relief shenanigans and a mystery going on, the other shows tried to mix around with the formula but couldn't improve upon what was already perfect as it was

>>94978546
ME AND MY FRIENDS GET NO RESPECT

>>94978488
literally what the fuck is jabberjaw

>>94978526
aside from dragon ball z. giant size x-men and new teen titans, how many properties actually have the second iteration be the more successful one?

>>94978537
Stupid question but can something be really considered a ripoff if it's created by the same people?

>>94978600
A scooby-doo clone with a shark

>>94978600
underage

>>94978600
I wish Jabberjaw made more appearances in scooby doo media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToU0k1bsg10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5qHFnm30d4

>>94978624
Sure, can't see why not

>>94978602
Captain America.

>>94978602
Green Lantern and the Flash

>>94978602
Shrek 2, Full Metal Alchemist, and Hellsing come to mind.

I'd argue that the second kung fu panda was also better than the first.

>>94978653
>>94978669
>>94978706

thanks! honestly forgot about most of these.

it's rare to find a franchise that would remake something that barely has any connection to the original and be considered a hit/it's own thing.

>>94978602
Dynasty Warriors

>>94978637
What makes him so funky?

>>94978628
>underage
> 1976

old ass nigga.

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>>94978488

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>>94978628
>if you don't know a show that stopped airing 40 years ago your underage

>>94978546
WE PUTTING ALL OUR FOES IN CHECK

>>94979039
He's been around since 1776 and lived in a run- down mansion all that time. Motherfucker probably reeks.

>>94979400
>It's reached a point where the only recognizable Hanna-Barbera characters are Scoody Doo and Tom and Jerry
>Most recent Scoody series failed miserably
>Tom and Jerry regulated to shitty direct to DVD movies

How long until Hanna-Barbera are forgotten about completely?

>>94978602
MGS2
GTA3

>>94979456

SO WHAT?

WHO CARES?

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>>94979332

>>94978488
LUCKY FOR YOU I'M A FISH LOVER

I'm pretty surprised that they haven't tried to turn Fred or Velma into a negro yet.

>>94980753

I can actually kinda see a black Shaggy working.

>>94978488
Timeless character design and a premise which can be easily adapted into different times.
Just look at it, it was made in the 70's and the way they dress never really changed drastically. It doesn't look very 70's at all.

>>94981320
Okay, now tell me how many people you see wearing bell bottom pants, ascots, long sleeve skirt length dresses, large sweaters, or pleated skirts these days. You take a look at their designs, and even the sheer amount of orange screams '70s styles.

>>94982650
Let's be honest the1988 show is the only good one.

>>94978643
Night of the living doo is great.

>>94982931
The only bad one is get a clue

>>94980152
Probably never, even if they go completely out of business and no HB show is made again, the older iterations are so ingrained in the public consciousness that they will never go away entirely.

>>94978488
A FUCKING TALKING DOG!

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>>94978602
Yatterman.

>>94980637
>>94979332
It's funny how these sketches have more personality than the characters in the actual show.

>>94981320
>Timeless character design
>fred
>daphne
What did he mean by this?

>>94982650
Shit, I must have blacked out 2006-2008, because I have no memory of that. Fucking Mandela.

>>94981320
>>94981397
They were designed in the 60s.

>>94982650
>2006-2008
I try to forget. Velma was still waifu material in her two episode appearances.

>>94980637
>insert jojo reference here

>>94980637
「Rog? Where?」

>>94982650
>>94982931
>>94983274
While the 1988, 2006, and 2015 versions are the only bad ones, they are just so bad they have a serious impact on the whole franchise.

>>94986581
On that show, only Scooby and Shaggy appeared on all episodes.
And it only has 14 episodes.

>>94978602
More /v/ than /co/, but Street Fighter II, Mega Man 2, and Sonic the Hedgehog 2.

>>94986918
>thinking Shaggy & Scooby-Doo Get a Clue had any kind of impact

>>94986972
If SDMI hadn't come along the franchise would likely be dead now. (Come to think of it that may be the reason we got SDMI in the first place...)

>>94978706
Was the third kung fu panda any good? I haven't seen it yet.

>>94981320
I think it really is this.
Their clothes never look too out of fashion.

>>94981397
Not that many but more than most 70s fashions.

>>94978600
Jabberjaw was much like Scooby doo, but with a band like all other Scooby ripoffs, but they lived in an underwater civilization going from city to city fighting villains that wanted to conquer the underwater world.
And instead of a dog, the mascot was a great white shark.

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>>94978637

Daaayum Marcus. You got fat.

>>94986986
Mystery Inc. is good for it's own merits, not because it was better than a predecessor.

>>94981159

Only if you turn Scooby into a Rottie or a Pitbull.

>>94982650
isn´t the 88 version and the 02 version in the same continuity?

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>>94987055
All that ocean and they didn't even wear swimsuits

>>94987105
I'm saying that if Get a Clue wasn't so bad the suits wouldn't have suddenly gone for the continuous mystery route instead of something like WN 2.0, especially considering the level of writing talent you need to pull off an SDMI.

Not whether MI was good or bad on its own, or in comparison.

>>94982650
What the fuck is that art style from the most recent one? It looks like hot garbage

>>94986169
Isn´t there a anime where all the badguys from the different series have a race and they are literally the same trio with different outfits racing each others?

>>94979400
>>94979073
The reruns were on Cartoon Network for as late as 2006, youngfags

Daphne is superior to Velma.
You are free to fight me on this point, but know that I will fight to the death

>>94978600
Me and my friends get no respect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn1pf0Xi3nU

Scooby Doo nailed the character designs and their dynamics. Each character has a distinct personality and role that offer enormous potential in the way they play off of each other. Even if you had never seen an episode of Scooby Doo before you could probably guess what kind of character they were just by looking at him.
Fred- broadchested, head held high, clean cut i.e. the natural leader
Velma- short hair, glasses, stocky, 'school clothes' i.e. the smart one
etc...

Say what you want about the series in general, but the characters are enduring for a reason. They tap into meaningful archetypes that transcend the time period they were created in.

>>94982650
Still mad about Be Cool.

>>94987330
I'm mad that image omits like 4 different shows before Pup Named even existed.

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>>94987098

>>94987183
Can you prove that MI is how it was because of S&SD and not because that's just the show they wanted to make?

>>94987267
I am endorsing this post.
Good taste my friend.

>>94987529
Can you prove anything happened in the backrooms? Probably not.
It's an educated guess, that's it.

>>94978706
>Full Metal Alchemist
>Hellsing
If you mean Brotherhood and Ultimate, those were remakes more in line with the original manga, brought on by the success of the original anime.

So it's more like the second iteration was good enough to bring back the first iteration as the third iteration, but in a format people actually gave a shit about.

>>94987235
go to bed grandpa

>>94987267
I see you are also a man of taste and culture.

>>94987187
It looks a lt worse than it was, and didn't look as bad in motion.

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>>94978602
I mean, technically it's not the second iteration, but I believe FiM has been way more successful than previous generations.

Thicc Velma

>>94987098
Incredibly underrated.

Also MTM is fucking great when the episode is funny.

>>94978488
jabber jaw was a ripoff. Hannah barbera was chasing success, which never works

>>94978488
scooby doo was actually memorable

>>94987222
Yeah, an OVA they made in the 90s. They're all competing to see who gets to the stars of the second OVA episode.

>>94978488

It was the original. But merely saying that is selling the show short. I unironically and honestly believe that the original Scooby Doo is a classic show and a GOOD classic show at that.

The backgrounds are detailed and atmospheric. The BGM is a long, continuous track that is easy on the ears and skillfully done. The character designs are timeless and godtier. All four protagonists show their personality in their design/clothing, and changing that to be more "modern" is a downgrade (Scooby is a doggo so nothing to say here, but notice that his body language and shape reflect his cowardly nature. Again a reflection of artistic skill). The Mystery Machine itself is an icon.

The stories work and endured because they are like a scary story a little kid would imagine. It is a "horror" show a 6 year old who hasn't seem an actual horror movie imagines them to be. THAT is the key to the mystery. It is frightening in a silly way, it is scary but fun, and everything resolves itself in the end. The formulaic nature of the show ADDS to its value. Yes, MI was great and so was Zombie Island, I like both quite a bit - but I pray no faggot ruins this show permanently due to sheer incompetence and egotism.

From the elder godtier intro onward, this is pure gold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTq6nwO4oJU

>>94987098
*chuckles*

>>94978602
Green Lantern

>>94987011
I thought it was just ok

>>94987439
I think they were mostly focusing on ones with the whole group.

Zombie Island is the greatest Scooby-Doo movie ever made.

In the case of Scooby Doo I think it owes alot of its staying power to the general idea of simple but effective, for example the character's have simple recognizable personalities with a degree of adjustability to them, Fred is a brave leader sometimes he is abit dumb and impulsive sometimes he's clever and col headed but most portrayals have him recognizably as Fred.

The plots are also usually somewhat simple, gang runs into some kind of intrigue while looking into something else, they investigate encounter a stange phenomena or being, investigate further, someone almost always Fred propses a trap, something goes awry Scoobie and or Shaggy cause shenanigan's, turns out the strange events were caused by an individual trying to scare away others for personal gain, this formula lends itself well to many stories and allows a great degree of flexibility for the cast and the issue of the week.

I feel these simple but highly adjustable factors made it easy for Scooby Doo to keep a sort of relevance many other shows lacked, it can be updated without taking away the spirit of the original or changing things and they are so simple already that only big un-need shake up would really cause any issue

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>>94978706
>Fullmetal Alchemist
God, am I the only one who liked the first nime they did better? Everyone always gushes over Brotherhood, it gets all the refrences and you can find it online, but I absolutely hate it. Maybe it's because I hadn't read the manga, but the first one had a tighter narrative, more ominous and mysterious tone, a better villain, and while it didn't lack it, a lot less 'lolrandumb humor'. Literally the first season of Brotherhoods anime is a TTG style spoof/recap of a better show.
...
Eh, guess I'm sleep deprived.

>>94987187
Bad art, but most of the jokes are pretty entertaining from what I've seen

>>94978488
The villain was always the second person they met in the episode unless there was a butler.
Then the butler did it.

>>94979400
If you don't know every piece of animation in the past 55 years you are a casual

>>94978602
The third part of JoJo is the first one to be actually popular.

>>94982650
Fuck, I miss What's New.

Atmosphere. Scooby-Doo Where Are You had much better designs, backgrounds and colors, the premise was also easier to swallow (kind of talking dog vs articulate shark or ghost or caveman hero).

>>94987098
>not Marcuth
one
job

>>94982650
>No Vincent Van Price

>>94997429
You leave Captain Caveman out of this.

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>>94980753
Reminder CN's live action Velma is Asian.

>>94994837
Jesus christ you are a special kind of braindead

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>>94978488
>watch old scooby doo
>one of the characters makes a joke
>laugh track

What the fuck is this? Who's the dumbass that thought that this was a good idea? I hope that motherfucker is fired for doing that shit.

I'm watching Scooby-Doo, not fucking Big Bang Theory. I don't need a fucking cue to laugh.

>>94987011
I'd say it's between the first and second in terms of quality. Better than the first, not as amazing as the second, still worth watching.

>>94982650
So are just kinda pretending everything from 73-88 didn't happen? I can understand that.

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>>94987187
Another unfortunate recent victim of a solid comedy show being undermined by its godawful art.

>>94997543
Captain Caveman is great, but it is enjoyable for other reasons, it's a lot sillier.

>>94997792
*are we

>>94994837
No I agree with you. Brotherhood is almost unwatchable to me. I think the first series gets bad later in its run, but to me it's still better than Brotherhood.

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>>94987979
>>94987187
A lot of the hate for the more recent Scooby-Doo cartoons comes from the fact that it was never going to live up to Mystery Inc., the show that preceded it. They knew it wasn't going to live up to it, so they didn't even try, and it turned out okay-ish.

Seriously, Mystery Inc. I am still astounded at how good this show fucking was. So many references to past Scooby-Doo series', and it also frequently referenced other media like Twin Peaks, it all tied back to ancient Cthulu gods, they explained why Scooby can talk, the main enemy was those fucking eyes you see in EVERY Scooby-Doo opening since the original Barbara episodes, and they tied it all together and made Mystery Inc. a prequel to the original series in a satisfying way.

OST of the original show when? The ambient music is amazing.

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When's my nigga Yogi gonna make a comeback? He hasn't had a show since that godawful Yo Yogi the live action film didn't exist

>>94987330
>mad about a great show
Why?

>>95000012
Maybe he's mad about how it got screwed over?
Also >>95000000

>>94994837
I agree with you. Also, the idea that Homunculi are failed human transmutations is far better than "lol father made them".

>>94999025
It really was amzing. Also, while the original had some very iconic monsters, Mystery Inc's villains were the best of the entire franchise. Seriously, how did they get the Nazi parrot past the censors?

>>95002281
>no Clue Club

Somebody actually got less respect that than jabberjaws.

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>>94987098
"Well excuse me."

>>94978637
This is the one I disliked the most.

>>95004168
No respect at all

>>94999025
This.
I grew up on the OG show and the Zombie Island era, but MI is Scooby's Magnum Opus

Not to say it cant be surpassed someday, and there are some things it could have done better, but this set a standard

>>94994837
I really love both shows, but 2k3 is better. I've gone back and forth a few times, I liked 2k3 better when I first watched both, then I came around to liking Brotherhood more for a long time, but after rewatching both a lot, I've firmly settled on liking 2k3 more.

It just has the tighter, more well structured, compelling narrative, better characters, better use of tone, better pacing, all of that.

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>>94978532

>>94999137
They just rebooted Wacky Races, so maybe there's hope?

Or maybe not, because so far the new Wacky Races looks like garbage.

>>94997666

A cute.

>>94994837
I did not like Brotherhood at first so stopped watching it for a while then when it had about 20-30 more episodes I decided to check it out on hulu (I was lucky enough to get a random "you have no ads for 24 hrs" a few episodes in ) and after a few more episodes I felt the same then at some point I just fell in love with the damn series.

>>94978488
It came first being a big part, but the characters being more relatable for the time period helped a lot too. Most people knew someone who acted like someone on the cast, and most people don't have a pet shark.

>>95007609
you know in this pic they are playing a game called
Poo Sticks.
its a fun game irl

>>94987267
Great taste my brother

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>>95007951
Also helps that the characters were based on a live action TV show that was based on a series a books (Dobbie Gillis). They just added a dog and mystery solving as a plot device.

>>94987833
I love that every argument from all these newfags is
>YOU'RE OLD AND I'M YOUNG FUCK YOU

>>94987833
Soon as I finish fucking your mom

>>94978602
Spider-Man 2

>>94987267
incorrect tbqh

>>94993176
You're a tripfag, opinion discarded.

>>94997749
That's how literally all comedy was done in those days, people just didn't think to take it out. Not having a laugh track in your show didn't happen until like the 90s

https://www.youtube.com/v/m3bd7LbtSf0

>>95010019
id fuck that velma, save the hair though

>>94998799
Watching this right now and every line like that gets an eyebrow raise

>>95010224
But that's wrong

>>94986844
SCOOBY DOOBY DODODODODODODODODODODO

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>>94994636
AND IT'S TERRRRRRROR TIME AGAIN!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkNask_pMKo

Also, god damn that movie was metal. Not only were the monsters real, but they fake you out and make zombies the good guys. I honestly can't think of another movie where the zombies were the honest-to-god good guys.

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>>94997931
>it's enjoyable for other reasons

I'll say!

>>94987187
It's the go animate style, popular from Brickleberry and Mister Pickles.

>>94978643
Lol, random ass David Cross.

Where Are You was legit spooky. I like how Mystery Incorporated tried to emulate Where Are You's tone.

>>95015950
>The blond is the thicc one
Explain this bullshit.

>>95016018
>thicc
you have to go back

>>95016051
>What is a joke?

>>95016149
You.

>>94978488
You know, I'm not actually sure if Scooby-Doo has the staying power we think it does.

A couple times in the past when I've been involved in land deals I've tentatively proposed the idea of first lowering the price of the property by convincing the surrounding community that it was haunted or prowled by a werewolf or inhabited by a witch-doctor.

Somehow not as many people get the reference as just hang up immediately.

>>94998799

Who doesn't?

>>94997749
Back then, a lot of family friendly comedies included a laugh track so children could learn appropriate times to laugh. It passively taught them better social skills and gave them good response timing to when people told jokes.

Unlike Bazoople, it had a genuine purpose beyond "Please laugh".

>>95010019
Jontron..?

>>94980743
LETS PLOT A COURSE

>>95016743
That's hilarious, but I'm honestly not sure what would ever possess you to attempt that joke in a professional environment

>>95018327
_swooce__

Someone needs to start dumping Velma pics

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>>95021043
I'm on it amigo

>>94978602
Smash Bros. Melee is the series standard
Spider-Man 2
The US constitution, because the articles of confederation (the preceding government) sucked

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Velma was still waifu material in this trainwreck.

>>94979332
>that daphne
UNFF

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alright that's all the velmas I've got right now

>>94982650
Fred's VA has stayed through it all

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>>94999137
But anon, did you watch the live action version with the reverse flash?

So let's talk about pre-2000s Scooby Doo tv shows, which one do you remember/like most besides the original?
>The New Scooby-Doo Movies
>The Scooby-Doo Show
>Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo
>The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show
>The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo
>A Pup Named Scooby-Doo

>>95022216
A pup named Scooby Doo. I was a stupid kid, but I just liked the overall feel of the show.

>>94986290
Concept art is often like that.

Plus they'd never get away with Velma laying her arm under her tits like that.

Fifteen Years Old

>>95021806
Didn't Velma become a semen demon in Mystery Inc. or something?

>>94978488
Because Hanna-Barbera liked to run concepts into the ground; Flintstones and Scooby Doo were super popular, so they kept replicating the formula (poorly) internally. Look at every show the got that is a yogi-bear equivalent.

>Jabberjaw

TU-TU-TU-TU-TU-TU-TUTUBARÃO!

>>95010019
I always though they were ripped off from Archie.
Girl crazy teen
Aloof rich bitch
Quirky friend
Clingy girl next door

Best Groovy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn1pf0Xi3nU

>>94978602
Omniverse was more successful than UAF

>Ctrl+F "Hex Girls"
>No results found
https://youtu.be/1P_BlUY2eF4

You all disappoint me.

>>94994837
I like Brotherhood, but I agree 2003 was better. I liked the darker tone and villain more, and Brotherhood had pacing issues with its rushed beginning and dragged out last act. The Promised Day did NOT need to be as many episodes as it was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn1pf0Xi3nU

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>>94978488
>What gave Scooby-Doo so much staying power that similar shows (like Jabberjaw) lacked?

Literally Scrappy Doo