Gentlemen, how can the Western comic industry reach a new re

>>94793675
i'm not gonna read your article "anon"

>>94793675
That was fucking awful and while it touched on a few pertaining subjects, the rest of it was a pile of hot steaming rubbish that failed to capture both American comics and Japanese comics.

>>94793729
Care to explain?

>>94793675
Easy by using the old japanese system
By catering to your old consumer base instead of pandering to new ones with shitty gimmicks

>>94793936
Big two doesn't equal the entire industry/medium

>>94793962
Let's be honest here; in terms of issues sold/market share, it is the industry in North America.

>inb4 the same trite argument that American comics should go back to newsprint and publish phonebook anthologies without understanding why that works in Japan and would flop massively here.

>The huge variety of stories that don't feel like they're edited by soulless executives and market test results.
>We don't doubt/dispute that. But their editors results are more interesting. The fact that there's a manga called My Girlfriend is a T-Rex.
>i've been to a few image expos when they announced titles and felt the same way. even the cooking comic was grim (and unappetizing)
>Im referring to starve, the cooking comic drawn in burrito diarrhea brown tones
>If you had to read either Starve and Food Wars, which would you choose? The one that actually makes you hungry, dammit. Guess which one
>a manga reader can go out and pick from literal thousands of long running complete gay romance stories, and you want $4 for 1 gay character?
>anyway My Hero Academia is read by more people in America than Batman is, bye
>As well it should. My Hero Academia is way more fun than Batman. Just sayin'.

Savage

>>94793962
>Big two doesn't equal the entire industry/medium
it is the industry

to me personally one of the most off putting things is how fucking retarded it is to read some of these comics.

Like you'll be reading green lantern and you get to GL7 and suddenly it's like "Oh you want to know what happens next? better read Emerald Warriors 3-5" So you read that, then it's back to GL8-9 only to then read Green Lantern Corps 2-4 which is an entirely different comic before heading back to emerald warriors 6 and 7 then finally wrapping it up with green lantern 10 through 12.

Also skipping any of these issues means giant plot points get resolved off panel, so you bounce around 3 different comics to get one story.

Fuck everything to do with that. At least with a manga it's like, here this is volume 1, next comes 2 and so on until the series is fucking done. There's no author changes and no book changes until the story is fucking done. Which is part of why I loved things like say, transmetropolitan, just a massive start to finish story. If comics want me to read them more, actually tell a full fucking story before trying to get me to read some other comic somewhere.

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>>94793982
And that's the sad part

>>94794129
>My Girlfriend is a T-Rex

That's a really good manga actually. We need more monster girl manga in general. Monster Musume was a good start but not enough.

>>94793675
Nice, I can't wait to see your imperialist capeshit hegemony getting fucked.

>>94794188
>Thinking every Western comic out there is cape

>>94794142
>Like you'll be reading green lantern and you get to GL7 and suddenly it's like "Oh you want to know what happens next? better read Emerald Warriors 3-5" So you read that, then it's back to GL8-9 only to then read Green Lantern Corps 2-4 which is an entirely different comic before heading back to emerald warriors 6 and 7 then finally wrapping it up with green lantern 10 through 12.

This hasn't been a thing since the '90s.

>>94794129

You know I have to question that first one because from what I know of Dragon Ball Toriyama was the editors bitch

>>94793675
>defending japanese editors
What a fucking retard
Jap editors do more harm than good

Didn't read the article but...

Shared universe with frequent crossovers

Constant retcons

Constant mega events

Heavy emphasis on serialization while simultaneously refusing to really change anything long term, and keeping the status quo

Diehard fans love a lot of these things but it alienates casual and potential new readers.

>>94794245
The editor was for the best though
Kubo couldn't communicate with his editor so things went horribly wrong

>>94793675
The western comic industry is in a pretty good state, it is the American comic market which is in a shit state. Mostly because you had to isolate your comics in dusty shops owned by morons. Outside of America, you can easily stumble across comics casually which is why it is doing so much better.

>>94794129
sounds like nu/a/ to be honest

>>94794216
It's either cape or degenarate garbage about alternate lifestyles and some other fabricated american sentimentalist first world bullshit.

>>94793675
>listening or linking to Deb "alt-right" Aoki
>>>/pol/

>>94794216
It might as well be. You go to a comic shop and it's capes, capes capes, and then a corner where there's Mike Mignola, 2000AD and Tintin.

>>94794129
>The huge variety of stories that don't feel like they're edited by soulless executives and market test results.
It's kinda ironic when Japanese market doesn't allow anything that deviates from their common tropes.

Finally the OEL manga rises

>>94794260

I feel like DC is doing a lot to address those issues right now but they aren't perfect.

>>94794328
what does this topic have to do with /pol/?

>>94794376

Literally nothing

>>94794361
We just had New 52 and Post Crisis Superman merging their histories

>>94793675
>literally 90% of the answer are BECAUSE IT'S DIVERSE/SJW bullshit

women ruin everything

everything

>>94794328
>Deb "alt-right" Aoki
what?

>>94794415
They can't ruin anime/manga.
Western agenda crap is here and Japan is over there

>>94794129
>The huge variety of stories that don't feel like they're edited by soulless executives and market test results
wut? a lot of original stories are axed because they deviate and dont follow the standard format

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As a cartoonfag that rarely read comics apart from the occasional popular indie ones and webcomics, I can tell you why I don't personally read them:

Because they're dumb. Reading a story of a character that's been going on for 50 to 70 year with no real promise of a satisfying end, constant retcons and a whole bunch of parallels and crossovers to other comics which you have to read to make sense of all the clusterfuck is stupid. Manga's have a habit of milking their shit too but atleast A) They're consistent and straight forward with their storylines; no retcons, no re-imaginings, no crossovers B) They're far more options available in the market, some even being more self contained and shortened and C)You can read that shit for free online.

I know having a none comicfag who doesn't have as much of an understanding of the industry as someone who does actually read and care for the medium has a lower say in these discussions, and for good reason, but since the whole topic is about why not as many people enjoy comics or downright put off by it I feel my two cents might come some weight in this sort of topic.

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>>94794183
Centaur's worries is one of my favorites manga and has an airing anime right now, you should check it

>>94794332
That depends on the comic shop. There are three nearby here, and one is mostly indies/local/small press with a smaller section of capes, the other is pretty much a Big 2 store with a half-assed spattering of Image, and the third is a big mix of the two, with huge sections for capes and non-capes alike.

Also, Western =/= US. Comics in the US are dominated by Big 2, no doubt about that, but the Euro scene is much more varied.

>>94794415
I think they meant genre/presentation/audience diversity Anon
Manga has sports titles that actually go in depth about sports

>>94793675
start making a variety anthology magazines (think Shonen Jump, 2000 AD, Spirou) that are available in grocery/bookstores (like archie comics), from a variety of companies, featuring a variety of genres, targeting a variety of age groups

>>94794465
>>94794465
>C)You can read that shit for free online.
Readcomiconline's getting more well known
I told a librarian about Cerebus and she googled it immediately
Found a Readcomiconline link right away and she thought Dave already kicked the bucket after I told her that it'd go public domain when he dies

>>94794493
>Euro scene is much more varied
Varied, yes. You get to choose either that one of those endless Spirou rip-offs, or delve into some high fantasy sci-fi bullcrap which is even exhausting to look into the cover art.

>>94794447
They are axe because they arent popular or perform worst than a new series..

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>>94794439
They're trying.

Look at "Anime Feminists" and cunts taking over Crunchyroll and Funimation.

There was some drama recently about getting someone who drew porn kicked out of an artist alley at an convention (and wanting to get Fakku kicked out too)

Women literally ruin everything. I can't think of ONE THING an increase of women hasn't ruined. It hurts so much because I'm a woman

>>94794507
>more asians
>more women
>gays
>"my daughter is only interested in stories about gay women"
Women ruin everything.

>>94794415
>Diverse = Gender/racial/minority diversity
They mean genre diversity you literal retard. As in, 75% of the industry isn't just capeshit with the same characters.

You can make Iron Man black and a woman but that doesn't change the fact that it's still Iron Man and with it all the generic stories, same villains, overuse of crossovers and it's ineviteble retcon and re-imagining.

>>94794287

That...actually is a good point. The west as a whole isn't suffering comic-wise. It's America.

>>94794340

It IS ironic. Yet Food Wars being a shounen manga about food is somehow more appealing than Starve, despite the similar premise.

>>94794478
Ive heard about this but only vaguely. I.E. I've seen the bits where they compare their vagina's.

I might check it out though if it's legitimately good.

>>94794589
>"my daughter is only interested in stories about gay women"
There's nothing wrong with yurifaggotry.

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Manga is not that tight on copyright so we have hundreds of free manga and translation sites while comics are pretty tough on that shit which makes manga and anime more accessable. I mean a lot of people in my country have read a lot of manga and watched anime but I know for a fact that non of them ever bought the stuff

>>94794589
>Crunchyroll and Funimation.
It's not like they're going to have an actual impact on what the writers/executives put in
The Japanese domestic audience wants none of that crap

>>94794553
Not really. You still see the shelves mostly cover the Big Two.

>>94794129
Manga artists are also the writers and are paid absolute shit compared to american counterparts.
If we went the japanese route, cutting costs by going black and white, having the artists be the writers too, releasing them in 10 dollar collections of multiple series, instead of 4 bucks a piece, we might get more subscribers, but the demand on the artists would be intense, the pay would be little and they'd leave the market for better paying jobs.

Mangaka are celebrities in japan, so the harsh conditions and low pay is made up for by the adoration of the public.

In the US, only stan lee pulls that kind of adoration anymore. No one will double their work and cut their pay for less fame than a c list anime voice actor

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>>94794555
and why do you think they are not popular in the first place?
protip: its the same reason that made this manga very popular

>>94794589
>There was some drama recently about getting someone who drew porn kicked out of an artist alley at an convention (and wanting to get Fakku kicked out too)
Nearly more than half of Doujin artists in Japan are women. It's just that some people have not much better to do with their own lives. And that some people do dwell on west.

>>94794651
The problem is that CrunchyRoll pretty much killed fansubbing.

>>94794260
Hell, a lot of the diehards are fed up too.

>>94794651
We said that about Japanese video games.

Look at video games.

You get them taking out shit, there was some interview with a video game director that they don't put in things because they know it will upset the western feminists.

>>94794465
Yeah, the fact that comic books never end is another thing that's off putting about them.

I don't mind a long story, but eventually there should be an ending. Maybe i they just let different writers write their own complete story for a character with a beginning middle and end it would be better.

>>94794589
>It hurts so much because I'm a woman

Sure you are.

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>>94794699
>Nearly more than half of Doujin artists in Japan are women
dont forget that some of them are actual little girls

>>94794589
>There was some drama recently about getting someone who drew porn kicked out of an artist alley at an convention
Really? Nearly every comic artist has drew or been drawing porn in their lives.

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>>94793675
Speaking as someone who loves both /a/ and /co/ material, it's no surprise manga is way more popular than comics by the simple fact that they are waaaaaay easier to get into

>Want to start reading a series? Start by the first issue.
>Which first issue? The only fucking first issue there is.
>Worried about retcons to your favorite series? Shit is essentially nonexistant in manga.
>Do you have to read/buy an issue of another series you absolutely don't care about because the plotline you were reading just gets continued in another comicbook? Fuck no.
>Am i going to have to go back and read 60 years of issues? Are you reading fucking Doraemon? Then no.

Those are just some of the points.
Not even mentioning all the diversity in manga titles there is.

>>94794687
>and why do you think they are not popular in the first place?
>protip: its the same reason that made this manga very popular
Because elevens have massive shit taste?

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>>94794687
This the 3rd most popular manga in the same magazine.

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>>94794614
If you can stand yuri, politic stuff and even just plain bizarre stories then the manga would be for you

>>94794638
except for literally everything
Yuri Cuckoldry is one thing I hope we leave in japan

>>94794792
For pay? That's a bit of a myth.
Most artists have drawn something someone would describe as pornographic, yes, but very few of them actually commercially draw porn.
The one doing the current aquaman is one of the few current ones i know.
A lot of them get real close though.

>>94794812
Manga goes on for fucking ever though.

The difference between American comics and manga should be: American publishers tell writers to wrap shit the fuck up, and manga just goes on hiatus.

Literally I was going through some manga I read when I was fucking 12 and I decided to look it up 10 years later and that shit is STILL fucking going.

It's not even a fucking popular series.

>>94794707
And this is a problem because...

>>94794684
Realistically they're not going to cut costs that much. All you'd really do is not have to pay colorists, between the size of the comic market and the cost of paper you're not going to save that much by switching from magazine gloss to newsprint.

>>94794792
Yeah but most of them aren't proud of it.

The artist in question was unapologetically a porn artist. I can't remember their name, it was some con that Fakku was sponsoring.

>>94794848
whats the most popular?

>>94794684
Aren't the most successful mangaka artists rich?
I know One Piece eclipses the entire western comic industry

>>94794912
>I know One Piece eclipses the entire western comic industry
20 million is that much

>>94793675
American comics are almost unrelatable unless you're American or like thanksgiving and shit. Japanese comics have a much bigger diversity and liberty in portraying the human nature. That's why people can relate to themselves much easier than superheroes.

>>94794906
>whats the most popular?
As far as I know the most popular manga in SJ is One Piece. By like a metric fuckton

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>>94794906

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>>94794129
>My Hero Academia is way more fun than Batman.
This is true.

>>94794717
Videogames are doing fine, i swear /v/ trying to play as a victim on medium that are doing worse is ridiculous

>>94794939
>American comics are almost unrelatable unless you're American
yes because golden week is such a well beloved worldwide tradition that everyone can relate

>>94794961

Can't deny that shit like that is going on though. Maybe it's small now, but where does it end?

Remember paid mods?

>>94794905
>unapologetically a porn artist
I don't think being a porn artist should be an apologetic issue unless you're a Polyle or Shadman-tier pervert.

>>94794990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRkrascT_iM

>>94794956
I'm genuinely surprised since that fucking thing has around 900 fucking issues and probably isn't even halfway done.

It might be more straightfoward then most cape comics but how the hell are people still invested?

>>94794156
They've already got their Harry Potter, it's called Saga.

>>94794959
it was fun

>>94794990
Bethesda are idiots and i'm sure that shit gonna flop again or only stay in consoleand if that happend is because console-only players are idiots

What are some good manga I should be reading? Current or not, preferably non-shōnen but anything goes.

>>94795020
It's fun, visually appealing, and well written

Not gonna read this garbage clickbait but the problem with comics is purely format and audience.

Marvel and DC can't experiment too much because their business is extremely precarious. They simply can't afford to lose any of their traditional customers.

Sales of other publishers have been going way up because the way they're formatted (self contained, affordable paperbacks) makes them very accessible.

Marvel/DC have been doing everything they can to expand into other audiences and genres but the problem is that the people who buy those non-capes aren't interested in capes at all, yet at the same time growth of non-capes is very slow because of how heavily associated with capes the medium is.

The whole business needs a very radical change but they can only get there through very small changes over a long period of time, so it's going to be years, maybe even decades until the market will have reached the kind of expansion it's in dire need of.

>>94794439
English dubs are slowly becoming corrupted by SJWshit. There's a clip on youtube from Prison School where one of the girls accuses Shingo of being a gamergator.

>>94795024
>was
what happened?
>>94795052
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>watching the dub

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>>94795020
>I'm genuinely surprised since that fucking thing has around 900 fucking issues and probably isn't even halfway done.
You are like a little baby watch this
reminder that only a year has passed in its time

>>94794885
Its all according to keikaku
>note: keikaku means plan

>>94795020
Being long =/= boring.

>>94795038
Sure but after 900 issue's doesn't that get tiring? how does it manage to do that much stuff without it ever feel like padding?

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>>94794939
>japanese comics
>relatable
What the actual fuck are you saying.
Manga characters are as unrelatable or even more so than American comics, unless they take place somewhere that isn't Japan.

Yeah dude, I totally celebrate tanabata.
Well of course I eat takoyaki at least once a week.
I absolutely remember my weeklong school festivals
How can I forget my times in the archery club.
I totally relate to being an autist who passes out when a woman touches his hand

>>94795060
slowly succumbing to shounen-itis

>>94794939
>Implying japanese comics aren't full of weird japanese cultural shit

Bowing, honorifics, hot springs, characters being deathly afraid of sex.

Yeah, everyone can relate to this stuff.

The main things Japanese comics have over American comics is something that American comics will never be able to replicate due to the structure of their production process. I mean, you see comic book artists killing themselves to deliver 20 pages per week? Do you see publishers releasing a weekly 500 page comic compilation for roughly 3-4 bucks? Nope.

>>94795074
I only started reading One Piece for the first time last year. I had days off where I read nothing but that, it was THAT good.

>>94795074
It still keeps things creative and interesting.
People get invested in these characters and don't have to worry about some new writer fucking things up

>>94794945
>>94794956
The American comicbook industry, with its dominance of superheroes, can be directly compared to the Japanese manga industry, with its dominance of adventure stories. When you start examining the best-sellers list you realize that while it has greater genre diversity most of it does not make up the top of the market.

>>94794129
Food Wars is garbage though. It's literally a note for note ripoff of Mr. Ajikko with fanservice added. Starve isn't good either but at least it wasn't pandering shit.

>>94795035
Spirit Circle

>>94794009
>inb4 the same trite argument that American comics should go back to newsprint and publish phonebook anthologies without understanding why that works in Japan and would flop massively here.


Anything on why that would be the case?

Legit question, I used to pick up the Shonen Jump monthly years ago and always used to wonder why there wasn't an american equivalent.

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>>94795062
>detective conan
You are like little baby

>>94795117
Food Wars has better art though.
I'd rather eat the food in Food Wars then the one in Starve.
Starve seems like an edgy parody taken seriously

>>94795096
>>94795084
He says human nature, not customs you fucking retards. You can relate Luffy much better than rest of whatever stock capeshit character there is.

>>94795098
>>94795109
I have to give props to Oda then, I genuinely can't imagine how someone could keep trucking that long whilst maintaining quality control.

>>94795074
>how does it manage to do that much stuff without it ever feel like padding?
By having a robust worldbuilding that complements nicely the advancement of the plot, seemingly minor plot point introduced early suddenly taking importance and introducing and placing emphasis on interesting characters that relieve the weight of entertainment from the main cast.

>>94793675
Only American capeshit comics are suffering. The Western Comic Book market is doing just fine, especially in Europe, like France. Hell, this doesn't include the fact that many of the more popular Western comics are online in web comic form. Add in that, and you can get a hell more variety of genres catering to almost every small community out there that exists, without corporate interference or a strict deadline that plagues the mainstream comic book industry.

>>94795035
Berserk
Vagabond
Yotsuba
Akira
Lone Wolf and Cub
Phoenix
Cyborg 009
Adolf

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Are there any western comics where I can read about a relationship with a musclegirl?

>>94795117

In a way, that makes Starve even worse though. That's just saying Starve has nothing going for it. And having nothing is worse thsn being just pandering shit.

Besides, Chuuka Ichiban (Cooking Master Boy) still has those comics beat.

>>94795041
You really only see experiments during something like a reboot, when higher sales across the board are expected they can take more risk on titles under the assumption that the greater revenue will make up for a low-seller. The main problem is that such events are separated by several years at least, and Marvel is mostly uninterested in experimenting.

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If manga and anime is so good then why do the worst girl always wins?
Name one time the best and deserving girl won their respective series

>>94794465
Leave it to the cartoonfag to say comics that he doesn't read are dumb.

Ongoing comics have these things called arcs. Typically, these arcs are self contained and have the same creative team throughout. The advantage of this is that you can buy specific arcs in trade format, and enjoy a story with a beginning, middle, and end. Just because there are decades worth of arcs, does not negate the current arc you chose to read. It's still a story on its own.

>>94795158
Culture ties into human behavior you dumbass.

>>94795217
TWGOK

:^)

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>>94795146
>Ippo
you are like a little baby

>>94795194
Mister Miracle and Big Barda comics?

>>94795060
I exclusively watch dubs because I speak english. Suck it sub fags.

>>94795217
Oreimo

>>94795074
They have arcs, thats how. Instead of making one story and rebooting/respinning it 10 different times, its multiple small stories that are linearly connected, driving the general plot towards the finale. In comics, you sort of just get everything thrown at you in a mix. In cartoons, there's never any resolutions either. The protag finds some trouble, struggles, then nabs the bad guy, only for the bad guy to break out three episodes later and repeat the same song and dance.

The west doesn't want things to "end", thats bad for business, they want to keep jizzing out product and that means reboots and rewrites and redraws out the ass.

>>94794493
Yup. Funny enough, my LCS actually went into a warehouse-type location from their 400 sq foot location. They've got a huge wall for the latest stuff in the back, an A-Z spread on most of the left hand wall (with the rest dedicated to apparel), indie and manga on the right hand one, and TPBs and manga volumes as well as figurines and assorted kitsch on shelves throughout the store.

Though I do live on the Northeastern Megalopolis, so that could be a contributing factor.

>>94795228
Yeah, that's why I can relate my feelings or emotions to Goethe or Dostoevsky, right?

>>94795263
>Not watching any televised media in it's native tongue with subtitles.

Pleb.

>>94795119
>>94795193
Thanks. I recognize of them but not read them yet. I’ll check them out.

>>94795158
im not somali though

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There's a ton of shit manga and a ton of shit comics. American comics cost too much. Even in japan it's like 25 dollars for one volume

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>>94793675
I'm guessing this is really just talking about capeshit, which sells even less than Italian cowboy comics in the grand scheme of things.

>>94794328
I wish you would just fucking die.

>>94794939
>Japanese comics have a much bigger diversity and liberty in portraying the human nature.
but being a herbivore is not human nature it is the exact opposite of human nature

>>94795052
What is a gamergator?

Because japan is afraid of change and that is a good thing in this medium since animation and manga is a form of escape instead of dealing with reality

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>>94795240
You just activated my trap card

>>94794939
Pretty much this. They tend to portray more diverse situations and feelings than "muh unkel had killed himself becuz of me" shit.

>>94795142
Phonebook anthologies are a byproduct of the Japanese mass transit system. Even when anthologies were popular in America we never saw anything the size of the phonebooks.

I feel like so much of the conversation in the storify and here on /co/ misses that the American comic market is doing pretty well. Just almost none of it has to do with the direct market. It might not be on the same level of the Japanese manga market but that's because of other circumstances that people just feel like ignoring.

Manga isn't really compatible to comics in the Western world. It's the same medium, sure, but it's more akin to how the West treats/values prose/novels/magazines. The megahits of modern populist Japanese literature can more likely be found in manga/light novels. Serialized prose in the west wasn't too far off from the same production habits and methods either.

Trying to map the manga industry onto the West's comic direct market (but especially the US) and trying to figure out why things come up short is like trying to deep sea dive with a snorkel. Just because they're closely related doesn't make them the same or even directly comparable.

>>94795341
Read Rapeman and then you can talk bout herbivores.

>>94795158
>You can relate Luffy much better than rest of whatever stock capeshit character there is.
Yeah man, I'm totally also a literal retard that turns into a completely unmovable pillar of determination from one moment to another, who travels around the world getting shot, stabbed, beaten and bled out in seacrh of some treasure who nobody actually knew existed until Whitebeard said so.
That's so me

>>94795276
>In comics, you sort of just get everything thrown at you in a mix.
t. guy who doesn't read comics

>>94795341
Humans are actually pretty fucking shitty at eating meat. Our teeth are herbivore teeth, and our stomach acid is many, many times weaker than that of proper carnivores. That all points to humans being originally meant for being herbivores.

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>>94795321
>TFW Dogwelder has fans in Japan

>>94794589
trannies dont count friend

>>94795263
Only thing sucking is the PS dub, tbf

>>94795302
Honestly if you have never experienced at least some of the basic themes of human psychology those two write in their workds, you may actually be autistic

>>94795345
Ask /v/.

>>94795276
I think anon is asking how do you keep the arcs themselves from being repetitive after 900 issues.

>>94794129
>>The huge variety of stories
Oh, you mean shonen, fan-service, and shonen fanservice? Yeah, full of fucking variet_

>>94795409
Well, Luffy doesn't wear spandex, so I guess that makes him more relatable.

Maybe if Spider-man took off the costume people could finally relate to him.

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>>94795380
pretty sure 1969 is older than 1982 my friend

>>94795217
Life isn't all sunshine and happy endings, anime gets that since it's super deep.

>>94795459
Anime con attracts anime and manga enthusiasts while Comic con attracts cartoon and comic enthusiasts same way brony-con attracts bronies and milsurp cons attract furries

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The biggest problem I have with American comics is how shit avatar is and how good violent or pronographic comics barely exist. American comics are too pc

>>94795485
America has
>Superheroes
>Detective
>Crime
>Fantasy
>Horror
>Science Fiction

Japan has
>Fantasy
>Superheroes (OPM and MHA is more read than Marvel and DC these days everyone)
>Sports
>SoL
>Crime
>Drama
>Historical
>Erotica
>Coming of Age
>Horror
>Science fiction

>>94795485
https://myanimelist.net/topmanga.php?type=manga

>>94795419
>t. frugivore

>>94795114
Adventure stories have more inherent diversity than superhero stories.

Adventure stories can be set in any time, in any world. Superheroes are almost always based out of New York, or they're aliens who spend a lot of time in New York. Or maybe they live in New York but it's not called New York but yeah, it's just fucking New York, but maybe a little cleaner or shittier depending on whether it's Superman or Batman.

Is there a superhero story set in the middle ages? Not a superhero FROM the middle ages, who now lives in New York.

As someone who reads all kinds of comics from across the world, the things that turn me off from most western/american comics are

>extreme dominance of cape comics
>often inferior artwork
>usually lacking in even tasteful/anatomical nudity or violence
>very safe/uninteresting settings and stories


These days, euro comics or manga are all that interest me outside some special cases.

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>>94795561
Forgot the important part


>While at Anime Expo 2017, I noticed that the crowds at this annual anime/manga/j-pop festival in downtown Los Angeles attracts a slightly different crowd that the other pop culture super-show, Comic-Con International (which, incidentally, is only a few weeks after Anime Expo, and only a few miles south in San Diego)
>While at Anime Expo 2017, I noticed that the crowds at this annual anime/manga/j-pop festival in downtown Los Angeles attracts a slightly different crowd that the other pop culture super-show, Comic-Con International (which, incidentally, is only a few weeks after Anime Expo, and only a few miles south in San Diego)
>For one thing, the fans at Anime Expo skew younger -- average age is teens to 20-somethings. SDCC tends to attract a slightly older crowd, maybe more in their late 20s - mid-40's. So looking out at a sea of fans (over 115,000 unique visitors over 4 days, a 15% increase over 2016 attendance, and rapidly catching up with SDCC, which attracted 130,000 fans last year), I wondered, what attracts them to Japanese anime, manga, music, and games? What do they get out of it that they don't find in American-made comics, movies, animation, TV shows, etc.?

Well /co/?

>>94795568
America has
Action
Adventure
Anthology
Anthropomorphic
Biography
Children
Comedy
Crime
Drama
Family
Fantasy
Fighting
Graphic Novels
Historical
Horror
Leading Ladies
LGBTQ
Literature
Martial Arts
Mature
Military
Movies & TV
Mystery
Mythology
Personal
Political
Post-Apocalyptic
Psychological
Pulp
Religious
Robots
Romance
School Life
Sci-Fi
Slice of Life
Sport
Spy
Superhero
Supernatural
Suspense
Thriller
Vampires
Video Games
War
Western
Zombies
Japan has
Neetbait #352
Isekaishit
Idolshit

>>94795499
The point is Luffys character is completely unrealistic.
Anytime he's not fighting somebody he acts as an actual 5 year old, otherwise he suddenly wise, determined, unbeatable and has an unmovable moral code.
Yep, waiting, starving in a single spot for days for some dude who told you to get the fuck out and then refusing food if it's not made by that same person even though you are fucking dying is something any person would do, right?

I've been reading One Piece for 10 years, I like it and I enjoy it. Calling pretty much any of it's characters relatable it's straight up stupid

>>94795503
Kobo has way, way more issues/volumes.

>>94793675
by not forcing sex, rape and relationshit down our throats, the prime time for "the Real World" and soap operas is not one, but two decades ago

>>94795664
This is pathetic.

>>94795562
>American comics are too pc
Because their publishing models are different.
Pitch an idea to Marvel or DC that the execs feel it's not PC and it's not getting published.
Pitch the same shit to the japs and if they feel it will sell, it's getting published

>>94794129
>it's a funfag episode
These are the worst. Anyways the most consumed shonen manga currently is either OPM or MHA and most consumed Bat comic is Killing Joke. And there's no argument for which one has more artistic merits.
As for the question, comics have tried to ride the ship of fun and adult for too long and honestly they need to go full adult at this point. Kids don't read the monthly big 3 garbage, they read books by Raina Telgemeier. Stop trying to cater to fun and non serious fags.

>>94795701
>rape
When was the last time that's happened in capeshit? I wish we had some good rapes

>>94795648
> wondered, what attracts them to Japanese anime, manga, music, and games? What do they get out of it that they don't find in American-made comics, movies, animation, TV shows, etc.?
Chuuni
manga is a cheaper hobby than comics

>>94795712
Then go to Image or Darkhorse.

>>94795664
>Anthropomorphic

Because Westerners love fucking animals so much that Canada legalized it.

>>94794912
Well yes, but that's because the most successful ones get shows and merch.
Their salary is piss poor, their royalties are high. I mean, sure the dream of making it big motivates them, but thats my point
"Big" in the us is, what... Bendis? Fuck, even morrison is largely unknown outside of serious comic fans
Oda is a household name in japan

>>94795664
>Slice of Life
>Western
>Sport
>School Life

Name some going on now/from the last 5 years
Bonus points if it's not cape related at all
Sports manga actually go in depth about the sport

>Movies and TV
>Video games
How the fuck are those story types in comics?

>>94795707
not an argument

>>94795480
IMO, One Piece fans seem to like the slow-burn approach that the creator takes. The series has a lot of world-building, and it'll hint at or follow up on stories long after they've been brought up. So many arcs are a combination of something old, something new, and something that people have been waiting on for years. That seems to keep people interested in the comic.

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>>94793675
>Gentlemen, how can the Western comic industry reach a new renaissance?
They can't, western animators are lazy, care only about profit and the LGBT community has wash their minds. Theres nothing they can do against the japanese who have more passion for their work and who can write characters with so much personality and rich development like pic related

>>94795158
>Luffy
>relatable
I can relate to Scooby-Doo easier than Luffy

>>94795763
Still pathetic.

>>94795741
They're just as pc as the rest of the industry and savage dragon's gimmick covers are nothing

>>94795666
>otherwise he suddenly wise, determined, unbeatable and has an unmovable moral code.
Are you sure you're talking about Luffy, Satan?

>>94795717
>Stop trying to cater to fun and non serious fags.

No you fucking idiot. They need to cater to everyone. They just need to cater to everyone in SEPARATE COMICS, rather than making something they hope will appeal to everyone and make millions only for it to appeal to no one at all. Do you not understand the points people keep making about fucking genre diversity? Or did you just read the word diversity and go REEEE GET OUT GAYIES, GAYIES GET OUT

>>94795763
Anon, did you copy and paste that whole list without checking?
>>94795788
>Animators
>Comics

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>>94795267
Now I know this is bait.

>>94793760
I'm not going to teach you how to write a better article.

>>94795648
They don't preach to us

>>94795648
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't SDCC capacity capped due to venue and also been the subject of numerous complaints over pricing and ticket availability?

>>94795707
Are you restricting the American market to exclusively to the Big 2 and more specifically to Marvel?

>>94795632
One of the biggest complaints about Marvel right now is that several of their superhero titles aren't adventure stories.

>>94795217
nurdo. too bad in the shitty burdo continuation she dies

>>94795824
what do you mean by this?
more and more young people are getting into manga
they find it appealing

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>>94794589
>Anime Feminist
The worst it does is just discuss "feminist-friendly" anime and passive-aggressively gripe about tropes and fanservice. They and their ilk (The Mary Sue, Kotaku, etc.) can't do shit to the industry in Japan. Besides, Japanese feminists already told them to back off with that shit. Pic related to hammer the point in.

>>94794651
Japan will always produce anime for Japan, no matter how involved Netflix gets. You also need to remember that Netflix exists in Japan too and has an entire Japanese division. And even if they were to make "western" anime, the original industry overseas would continue as if nothing happened.

>>94794717
And the director of Nier:Automata said that he wanted fan art of 2B's butt. In Witcher 3, not a single black person was in the game, the sex scenes are slightly censored compared to the past, but that's more for game ratings rather than SJW pandering.

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>>94794717
>Look at video games.
I'm looking.

>>94795217
Steins;Gate

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As usual, these threads only have Capeshit as the main topic for why American comics don't sell well.

>>94795712
Incorrect, the focus on political correctness as an American feature fails to take into account Japanese social and moral restrictions.

>>94795891
shhh
just let /a/ have this anon since they need to validate themselves for their shitty media

>>94795836
He said it was pathetic because the guy was denying that the superhero genre dominates and overshadows everything else
see >>94794156
and restricted Japan to isekaishit and idolshit the same way someone would restrict America to superheroes when the industry isn't just superheroes, it's just dominated by them

>>94795114
https://myanimelist.net/news/51512474
You dont know what are you talking about.

*1. 876,566 Hunter x Hunter Vol.34
*2. 588,746 Tokyo Ghoul:re Vol.11
*3. 312,704 Magi Vol.34
*4. 306,354 Boku no Hero Academia Vol.14
*5. 265,466 Uchuu Kyoudai Vol.31
*6. 261,070 Berserk Vol.39
*7. 236,420 Mix Vol.11
*8. 220,616 Barakamon Vol.15
*9. 206,580 Orange Vol.6
10. 163,435 Toshokan Sensou: Love & War Bessatsu-hen Vol.4

11. 156,411 Kuroshitsuji Vol.25
12. 144,606 Dragon Ball Super Vol.3
13. 140,088 Yowamushi Pedal Vol.51
14. 138,653 Chuukan Kanriroku Tonegawa Vol.5
15. 136,419 Magi: Sinbad no Bouken Vol.14
16. 123,467 Shuumatsu no Harem Vol.3
17. 120,703 Kakegurui Vol.7
18. 112,196 Komi-san wa, Comyushou desu. Vol.4
19. 111,798 Poputepipikku Second Season
20. 109,009 Baby Steps Vol.45

>>94795891
How well does 2000ad sell in the caliphate of bongistan?

>>94795813
Kuroneko was a whore though

>>94795811
>They just need to cater to everyone in SEPARATE COMICS,
But they do dumbass, you sound like one of those retard that identify Western comics as big 3 and bitches about genre diversity. There's a lot of genre diversity in western comics, just as much as in manga, just that these books never seem to get attention of the audience because audience is too busy jerking off to mainstream capeshit and Hollywood pitches.

>>94793675
>With my kid especially, she has no interest in stories that aren't about girls, and little interest in stories about the hetero lifestyle.
What in ht eliving fuck is this???

>>94795020
I just want to know what the hell happened during the Void Century.

>>94795914
More than half of that list is shonenshit, what point are you trying to prove my dude?

>>94795891
That's because Burgers mostly assume comics=superheroes until someting gets an HBO adaptation.
And even then it doesn't booster sales because Diamond can't distribute shit

I want you all to acknowledge how crap image is. 80% of their comics are shit.

Saying that comics are shit because of Marvel and DC is the same thing as saying that anime is shit because of Naruto Bleach One Piece and Fairy Tale

>>94795302
Huh? You cannot?

>>94795806
See: Luffy vs. Wapol for example

>>94795987
>Saying that comics are shit because of Marvel and DC is the same thing as saying that anime is shit because of Naruto Bleach One Piece and Fairy Tale
The truth?

>>94795987
at least 3 of those 4 manga have fucking finished, meanwhile Marvel and DC will be shitting up America for years to come

The american comics industry is not salvagable.

The entire thing is fucked from the ground up.

Once all the fat no life neckbeard losers who support it die from over eating garbage mcdonalds, the entire thing will collapse on it self and you will only ever see those characters in big budget hollywood garbage.

>>94795927
It means her kid is a lesbian. Probably doesn't want to tell her mom because she knows that her mom is the type to make a way bigger deal out of it than she desires.

>>94795970
Post the top 20 of Comics and compare.

>>94795860
rasgaygun :DDD

>>94794129

If there's one thing Japan does well, it's cooking manga.

>>94796017
>he actually thinks naruto is finished
>he actually thinks that fairy tale is finished
you got one correct though

>>94795871
>That whole essay
That's it, I'm done with American women. From this day forward I'm going to concentrate all my effort into finding a Japanese woman to settle down with.

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>>94793675
Euro = Top Manga > Most Manga >>>> American ""comics"""

>capeshit fags will debate this

>Comics creator Faith Erin Hicks (The Nameless City, available now from First Second, and the Eisner Award-winning Adventures of Superhero Girl, from Dark Horse Comics) also added
>I mean, there's *nothing* like Fullmetal Alchemist by a North American creator.
>depth of story/different kinds of stories that aren't pubbed by US publishers. There's a lot of genre stuff I enjoy that has no equivalent.

What's the /co/ equivalent of FMA?

>>94796041
Fairy Tail finished last week, and Naruto is done, all that's left is Boruto, which isn't nearly as popular and nobody cares

How do you look up the porn comics diamond distributes? I can't find them on their website.

>>94796017
I kind of wonder what will happen if the big superheroes ever enter the public domain.

>>94796065
Xavier: Renegade Angel

>>94795891
>>94795899

>As usual, these threads only have Capeshit as the main topic for why American comics don't sell well.

>American comics industry trumpets capeshit in every medium
>other, more genre diverse comics are hidden below the surface layer of capeshit, and are not advertised by the industry through shows and movies and toys and tie-ins and every fucking thing else that the industry grants capeshit

>HOW DARE THESE /a/-FAGS NOT UNDERSTAND THE BREADTH OF WESTERN COMICS

Instead of blaming us for not understanding, why not actually see this as another reason American comics are fucking flailing, in that your good, interesting stories are largely ignored. If Neil Gaiman's name wasn't attached to The Sandman, it'd be largely forgotten, because your fucking industry doesn't advertise shit to the uninitiated. And that's the fucking rub you dickhead, the onus is on the sellers to advertise this shit to people, not the consumers to start digging for it in something that on first appearances just doesn't appeal to them.

Honestly, a point about The Sandman. I was given a copy of Preludes and Nocturnes when I was younger, and it blew my goddamn mind. Because all I knew about comics was the Big Two. I didn't know that things like The Sandman were actually a thing. That shouldn't happen. That doesn't happen in any other entertainment industry in the west, and shit, it doesn't happen in the comics industry outside the US.

>>94795052
>om Prison School where one of the girls accuses Shingo of being a gamergator.
It got fixed for the BDs and DVDs, though.

>>94796025
http://www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Bookscan-16-Top-750_sheet.htm
Go ahead and compare it my dude.

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Try and hire some manga artists like Murata

>>94796065
>strange alt history tale of kids in a suprisingly mature (yet often dissappointingly kid friendly) version
>large sprawling cast of creative and interesting characters
>tapes elements of several foreign cultures together without any real regard for their actual meaning
>overall good but rather overrated due to its universal acclaim

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>>94795217
Haganai

>>94796064
muh Tom King
muh Frank Miller
The best comics from American publishers are all British anyways

>>94796064
The only good europen comics are italian and spanish. French comics belong on the bottom of all lists

>>94796103
The 2003 anime is better.

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>>94796103
Pic related is the closest we'll get for a while.

>>94793675

I understand that this goes fundamentally against American comic operate, but maybe have more comics that actually have a definitive end? Instead of superheroes having endless adventures that eventually force them to redo character arcs and re-fight villains, why not have a couple of superheroes who actually have an end to their story?

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Reminder that this comic sold more than any cape books in recent years
How can capefags compete?

>>94795871
I'm moved....

>>94796105
>The best comics from American publishers are all British anyways
t.a retard that's never read indie comics.

>>94795217
Oregairu
I just hope my boy 8man makes the right decision

>>94796064
>Euro at the top
Don't make me laugh

More smart black girls from NYC.


No but seriously hold a contest where people can submit their own OC's or whatever, have people vote on who they like, and those top 5 get their own comic for a while, then integrate them into other comics as background characters.

Do this every year, make a big deal about it, ham it up, have fun.

"Wow, that one character I voted for and helped get picked is appearing in Fabulous Capt. Marvel, I gotta' buy this!"

>>94796138
Because that would go against how things are traditionally done in America, and people don't like change. They like what is familiar.

Which is why they can't let go of these characters.

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Current manga > current comics
Current western cartoons > current anime
Japanese drawn porn > shit > western porn

>>94796162
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>letting fans decide shit
Anon

>>94796064
Alternative (American/Euro/SA/) > Euro genreshit > Mango > mainstream American garbage

>>94796103
>tapes elements of several foreign cultures together without any real regard for their actual meaning


hold on for a sec, I'll fetch ya a post I made some time ago....


Spoiler alert: You're so off base with that statement that it disgusts me.

>>94793675
Easy.
>More content at a cheaper price.
>More accessible locations, like super markets and digital shops
>Deals when it comes to sales
>Hiring people who actually value the medium and have goods stories to their name.

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Is Gwenpool a step in the right direction?

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>>94794602
Do western comics even have cooking stuff that isn't Starve?
Seriously though who was this comic made for?
Chinks?

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>>94796220
You fuckers saying FMAB has no thematic deepness. You're stupid.

Let's take a random element:

Alchemists need transmutation circles, unless they see the truth behind the door.

The door is inscribed with the Tree of Life, an all important symbol that is related to Kaballah, which alchemy heavely borrows from. As seen on my image, it can be divided in 4 "worlds".

The first world, is the material world, the world we live in. The sphere on it, malkuth, represents the material

The second world, is the formative, the realm of your mind and toughts. It's composed of Yesod, the imagination, the link between the real and your toughts, Hod, rationality, and Netzach, Emotion.

The third world, is the creative world, the world of spirit and drive. It's where what YOU are is made. It's composed of Tipheret, the sphere of essence, related to your solar sign, what you emanate. Geburah, Power, related to self-discipline and drive. Chesed, Mercy, related to teaching and charity.

The fourth world is the world of archetypes. it's the realm of GOD, and you may notice there are three spheres, Binah, understanding, the great limitator, UNDERSTANDING, Chokmah, KNOWLEDGE, all that exists. beyond them is Kether, and that is GOD itself, beyond knowledge. those three are what originated the concept of the Holy Trinity in Christianity.

You might've noticed, that the path between tipheret and kether is uncharacteristically long, the path between the essence of man and god itself, the path between the individual and power over all that is. You, see, there is a hidden sephirah between them, known as Daath, the abyss. This is the final objective of kaballah, and by consequence of alchemy. To
reach god. to create the elixir to eternal life. To know the TRUTH. So, it makes perfect sense, and is a POWERFUL methaphore, that alchemists who've attained the truth, due to great sacrifice, have the deep understanding, to acess the power of god directly, without a transmutation circle.

>>94796138
I think the Big 2 are gonna have a moment similar to TV execs around the late 2000s: In the modern age, consumers don't fucking care about infinite content. No one needs 9 seasons of Seinfeld when they have 18 other shows they can watch for $10 a month through Netflix. Ergo, they'd rather have 4 seasons of a show that rewards viewers for watching every episode through episodic storytelling and definitive endings.

Similarly, capeshit creators need to realize that nobody needs three or four Batman comics every week from now for the forseeable future. All of the most well known and popular capeshit stories are either all events or limited series graphic novels, aka stories with one concrete plot arc that has a definitive start and end, and ideally an actual plot between the two. That's what consumers want, more than anything else.

>>94796092
Wow so a kids book beat all the industry.

>>94796277
Get Jiro

>>94793675
I don't really read much manga, but I read comics for a few months. I stopped mostly because they were too expensive for too little content.

>>94796282
I remember seeing a small page in a volume of FMA showing the writer lamenting how she had to buy numerous books on chemistry and what you just posted for FMA

>>94796202
Alternative comics are garbage everywhere. It's all pussy liberal mumblecore shit

>>94796255
Gurihiru are literally two Jap women but I don't know if they get work in manga.

Having big-time manga artists do stuff for western books would be neat.

>>94795761
>Slice of Life
Every shitty webcomic out right now.
>Western
Sixth Gun
>Sport
This is a point you have, but sports stories are usually boring anyways. At least the way it's told here, formulaic and trash.
>School Life
Cultural differences. The western equivalent to a highschool comic would be a comic about college, since Japan it's typically accepted that people learn about themselves in highschool, while in the west it's the same thing, but with college. Tough, for some reason Marvel doesn't get this and in a poor attempt to get the weeb crowd pretty much made all their new characters highschool age.

>>94796282
I never said it had thematic deepness. I said that it, like Avatar, tapes together bits of German, Anglo-Saxton, Babylonian, and inexplicably Chinese religion and culture together in awkward ways that make sense on their own context but completely twist the original values into more appealing forms for the (Japanese) target audience.

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>>94796298
>Look it up
kek

>>94795761
>Sports manga actually go in depth about the sport
not really

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>>94795871
>mfw ShindoL draws moe anime versions of western feminists he gets death threats from.

Was this article written in the 00s? The manga market died in the US. TPBs won.

>>94796348
That's just like that because I copy-pasted the post. The intent here is to show the AMOUNT OF RESEARCH AND CARE given to the subject matter. She did Alan Moore levels of research, and everything fits in place. You can't just jerryrig something as big as what I wrote in the post.

>>94796173
>Current western cartoons > current anime
You must be joking

>>94796369
ShindoL is a White woman from New York.

>>94796376
She also wrote this

https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/comics/article/74004-nine-reasons-manga-publishers-can-smile-in-2017.html

>>94796366
Yes, they do.

>>94796138
Well, the whole hook for company-owned comics nowadays is that creatives get to treat stories like toyboxes. There's not a lot of interest from writers who work with those comics to make definitive endings to begin with, and if companies were to ask for that, they'd also have to turn people down when they ask for permission to re-tell those stories. And I assume most people who work for those companies wouldn't like that too much.

>>94795664
No it fucking doesn't, anymore than Marvel Films makes "genre films". They're flavored capeshit, no more no less, and the forced tied nature of the universe ultimately drags down all the interesting noir or western pieces by reminding the reader constantly that this is also the world where Spider-Man punches the bad guys in the face. Sometimes you DO get interesting moments (thinking Doom Patrol here) where the creators can get away from the constraints of the shared universe, but ultimately these efforts are few as they are, and critically underadvertised by the companies that fucking fund them versus overhyped event comic #7426. I'm not gonna pretend numango tries to advertise their underlooked and underrated works all that well, but understand that US capeshit is derivative because their creators think that's the only thing that can sell well, while the Japs are at least aware of all the worthless niches they can pander to.

>>94796341
t. a brainlet. Those are the works with most experimentation and literary value. Mango peaked with the works of Gekiga as well, which more or less is a lost art today.

>>94796412
Don't try it, not with me. I've most likely read more manga than you.

>>94796384
Why not? That's what a lot of worldbuilding is. It's just clear she cared more about selfconsistency with the world than actually making all the influences she throws in make sense with regards to how they are irl.

>>94796398
I knew she was from New York and later moved to Tokyo but I thought she was still asian?
In any case I still think it's hilarious drawing people who send threats to you.

>>94794142
This is one of the biggest things pushing me off superhero comics, honestly. It feels intimidating not knowing where to start, there's so much and it's all weirdly interconnected and there's all sorts of crossovers and AU versions and whatnot and it's been going on for decades

>>94796441
>literary comics
you are a sub human retard

>>94796458
How do any influences make no sense in regards to irl? What are you talking about?Geographical inconsistency?

>>94796448
Have you read Ashita no joe?

>>94793675
>western
Looking at euro comics, they're doing pretty nicely and there's a lot of quality and variation

sure the readership could be larger, but it's not all that dire

>>94794853
It's basically 1984 where the Lizard Jews are trying to control civilization while running experiments on the populace and fighting a creation gone rogue (the aliens in america where the kids neighbor turns out to be a snake in an angel suit to kill the fungi alien).

>>94796409
Looked up last year's sales, they're still a drop in the bucket compared to US comic sales as a whole.

>>94796494
I mean she heavily references elements of Christianity but heavily twists their meaning so that they fit better with the meticulously crafted world she was building, which was cool but also means that a lot of those elements don't meaningfully relate back to their sources.

>>94796474
Literally spazzing out and saying whatever comes in your smol mind at this point, eh brainlet?

>>94796500
euro comics are 90% trash

>>94796398
>ShindoL is a White woman from New York.
proof?

>>94796549
what elements of christianity? The only christian motives there are there only because Alchemy itself shares a common basis. As so, they fit into the alchemical view on god, not the christian view. The seven sins thing is an alchemical thing, not merely christian.

>>94796570
Go jack off to some silkscreened prints faggots

>>94796590
So is everything else.

>>94796376
>Implying manga readers buy their shit
Same applies to /co/ to be honest

>>94796495
Yeah and I liked it. Got caught up when Hox said he was getting near the end. It's not realistic though.

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>>94796605
>genreshitter seething

>>94794780
>john K peta started drawing when she was still 11 years old
I still cant get over that

>>94796613
Not really. besides the 10% is particularly great either.

>>94796369
I thought it was one person.

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>>94796621
/a/ certainly buys less of it than /co/

>>94796173
>Current western cartoons > current anime
Nigga, you must be joking. Western cartoons have been a shitshow for the past 2-3 years. Until we get an original action cartoon that doesn't get cancelled, western cartoons will never be in the same place as anime

>>94796672
Meanwhile in capeshit

>>94795871
>the figures in manga and video games are creative fictions that do not actually exist
Good job, Japan, Morrison is now crying in the corner.

>>94796093
With all the Spider-Man fanart he's done it's pretty obvious he's a fan, it boggles my mind trying to figure out why Marvel still hasn't hired him. I'm curious how he'd draw Peter Parker.

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>>94796672
>>94796688
Waiting all that time and I forget the image

>>94796672
/a/ reads more than /co/

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>>94795664
>LGBTQ
ppppffffffffffffffhahahahahahahhahahaha

>>94796596
>The seven sins thing is an alchemical thing, not merely christian.
different anon but what the hell dude
They're the seven deadly sins, it's pretty christian

>>94796661
This applies to the rest as well.

The only common denominator I've noticed with anime and manga is the terrible writing.

Perhaps that reflects the declining education of America's youth. Maybe westerners need to dumb it down a notch for that market share.

If you want to get people into comics you have to get them when they are young. In japan they got Shounen Jump doing that work. What would in the US?
A teenager, let alone a child, won't go and read Batman or Superman or shit like that, at the very best they might read some webcomic while they browse the internet from their phone. Problem is webcomics are fucking trash, and they are actually pretty different medium than normal comics.

Maybe the big 2 should try to publish for free some simple and relatable webcomic with 100% original superheroes. Also making them teen-agers, would probably help a lot.

>>94796696

That's not fanart anon, those are covers/pin-ups he was asked to do. He also did promo art for the Power Rangers film.

>>94793962
The big two is like 98% of the industry, so effectively yeah, it's the entire industry minus some outliers.

>>94796458
>all the influences she throws in make sense with regards to how they are irl.
A lot of nip creators do this imo. They usually put in a lot of research, sure, but ultimately treat western culture and religion as a toybox of cool influences they can take and use and twist however they like to fit into their storyverse to add that nice exotic twist of historical/religious/mythical references. But it doesn't go deeper than adding something that feels "cool", and they don't stress about doing it "right"

which does lead to amusing end results, but sometimes it's a bit weird

>>94796749
No.

>>94796742
they're also PARAMOUNT to alchemy. Each capital sin, also know as a capital defect, is related to one of the 7 classical planets, and the search for the phisolopher's stone is related to solving and coagulating yourself numerous times until you can turn those defects into qualities.

>>94796821
No it isn't dumb /a/ poster.

>>94795020
Because Oda tells a good story, and the art is decent.

Are comic book readers willing to sacrifice color? Are comic book publishers willing to sell 3 dollar magazine compilations with 400+ pages of comics?

If the answer to these questions is no then there is nothing comics can learn from manga.

>>94795499
This is a joke about how spider-man comics are about peter parker itself most of the time right?

>>94796824
Yes it does. When it comes to anime, each season has like 30 to 45 new shows, only 3 to 5 actually stand out and when compared to the quality standard set by classics, they're mediocre.

>>94795305
there's nothing wrong with preferring dubs.
>You can actually understand the languange hence shit like timing, delivery, tone are more noticeable
>Your focus isn't constantly taken up by 1/4th of the screen detracting from what's going on
>If I'm watching something like Jojo the added accents just add a lot more to the character persobalities
>Jokes aren't 'spoiled' by subs so when the delivery does come out the punchline has that vital few seconds to make it really hit its mark
>No shitty tl notes that over explain shit "All according to keikkaku" *Keikkaku means plan"
>In a way it's more accurate to watch an anime that doesn't take place in japan in english.

One of the cons probably is
>Cringy Dialogue is more noticeable since you're not just reading it off a screen *Death Note Potato Chip Scene"
>Inner thought monologues just don't work very well in general.
>Dialogue is limited by Mouth Flaps

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>>94794129
Words cannot describe how much I loathe how normies try to be "sassy".

>>94796936
>enjoying the JoJo dubs
Maybe if you can't read fast enough to keep up

>>94793675

Crash the fucking industry. Both comics and vidya. Chase away all the pieces of shit that are there for something other then a love for comics.

The only problem is the movies will float the fucking thing so I am not sure if it was possible.

>>94796932
Talking about comics, not animation.

>>94796369
>ShindoL
It was Asanagi you fuck

>>94795060
nothing really. the only thing i can think of that's changed is that it got into a really long and drawn out arc. and in the current arc it shoved ALL the female characters into a fight off screen that they'll probably wrap up in a couple of pages in a flashback once they beat the villain.

>>94796977
Relates to Mango as well my dude. You just don't realize the sheer amount of manga that's produced, you only look at manga that's scanlated, of course the perception is skewed. And even most of the scanlated manga is pure garbage, the good shit is always the outliner.

As a person that once had the choice and choose manga over comics feel like the western comic industry tries too fucking hard to sell me something.
>CIVIL WAR WHOA IT'S IRON VS CAPTAIN
>"THE DEATH OF SUPERMAN"
>CIVIL WAR 2
>THE KILLING JOKE
>IT'S WOLVERINE BUT NOW HE'S OLD
>THOR, BUT NOW IT'S A SHE

Like holy fuck guys try something new, comics ride of off the success of shit that has been going for decades, it's old and I don't give a fuck anymore. Hell even normies would just rather watch the next MCU or DCU movie than to read you faggot comics with reboots, continuations, crossovers, etc. Stupid.

Manga is not only not that taxing to get into but there's more variety, can't remember for the life of me of the last comic that I was curious about, while as with manga I'm regularly thinking "A manga about Undines on Mars? What the fuck's that all about?" and lo and behold, it's fucking great. The comic industry need to grow some balls and let smaller budgets run with higher risks.

>>94795632
Demon Knights? The Busiek Avengers Arc where the Avengers turn Medieval? Pretty much any DnD book? The JLA Elseworld book where they become a DnD rip-off?

>>94797041
With mango the better stuff actually doesn't get scanlation or gets it late.

>>94795084
>Yeah dude, I totally celebrate tanabata.
>Well of course I eat takoyaki at least once a week.
>I absolutely remember my weeklong school festivals
>How can I forget my times in the archery club.
>I totally relate to being an autist who passes out when a woman touches his hand

I've been mostly content to scan this thread so far, but I gotta say: if you think this stuff is really important when it comes to the relatability of a character, you're a fucking lost cause. I mean, for one, you're basically barring characters from fictional places or settings from being relatable by this logic, because they don't have the same meaningless cultural flotsam as us.

We don't relate to Marty McFly, for example, because he celebrates Christmas or eats the same food we do. We relate to the common human struggles he faces, which are things that transcend culture.

Fuck, man, if you're not a total hollow-man you can relate to most of the cast of Seven Samurai, and they're not even living in the same era as us.

>>94796772
DC Superhero Girls, anon. A multimedia, multimarket merchandise franchise.

>>94796951
>Reading when I could be just Watching and enjoying the ham

>>94796706
>405 million on a cape monopoly with some Walking Dead sprinkled in

>>94797052
This.

Cape comics are bloated, overwrought sales pitches in dramatic form. Manga are actual stories, whether good or bad.

>>94797052
Publishers that aren't Marvel or DC sell a bunch of things that aren't at all what you listed. Since you're /a/ you won't need me to spoonfeed you.

>>94797001
You're right, I was reading doujins earlier and had shindoL on the mind. I'm sorry anon.

>>94797177
>Cape comics are bloated, overwrought sales pitches in dramatic form
>Denying Morrison's Animal Man, All-Star Superman, Tom King's Vision, etc are stories

>>94797052
>>94797177
Hear, hear! They've pretty much became clickbait.

>>94796173
>Current wstern cartoons>current anime
Nigga i'm a huge cartoon fag and this is no true, the only shit that i'm following in SU whatever CN decide to leak the episodes and Clarence that is already cancelled anyway

>>94796768
M8, capeshit is as dumb as it goes. Most comics don't even make sense panel to panel anymore.

>>94797208
Maybe they do, I don't know, and of course you won't tell me (lol). But don't you ever try to argue that it's better or as good as manga.

Even with it's clear problems it's obvious western stories are most of the time outmatched by the Japanese, clear and point, you would be hard to think of any genre where the comic sitting at top isn't japanese. Aside from maybe super heroes, and even that Japs are catching up.

>>94797212
Yeah sorry for calling you a fuck i hate both asanagi and ShindoL and i will not be suprised that the person that got made as a cute girl was me

>>94797208
Most Image stuff is the same except they lack the iconic characters.