Daredevil S2 Punisher episodes > Daredevil S1 > Daredevil

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>>94746397
Daredevil s2 was entirely shit

Daredevil s1 > Defenders s1 > Jessica Jones > Luke Cage > Daredevil s2 > Iron Fist

>>94746397
I'm the one weirdo who actually like Iron Fist despite its faults

>>94746463
>Daredevil s2 was entirely shit
Nice b8

>>94746397
I am two episodes into Defenders and why the fuck is Matt the only well written character?

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Daredevil S1 > Jessica Jones S1 > Daredevil S2 Punisher episodes> Defenders S1 > Daredevil S2 Elektra episodes > Luke Cage S1 > Iron Fist S1

>>94746522
>Frank can rant and rave his way through a dozen men in prison because he's so hardcore
>Kingpin didn't tell him what he would tell him in prison but fuck it that's enough to blow your own trial
>I pointed the gun at an old man you could not see for your benefit, Red. Wait, you have super hearing? This surprises me now.

>>94746463
you on some dumb

Defenders was pretty shit. It never hit the lows some of the other shows did but it didn't hit any of the high either. Just a constant, 8 episodes of meh.

>>94746397
This rating is inconsistent. Either rate per season or per arc/episode. Besides DD, the rest are disappointing shit. Let's hope Punisher changes that.

DD1>DD2>>>IF>Defenders>LC>JJ

>>94746522
If I want to watch an edge master and a karate chick murder an never ending onslaught of ninjas I'll just watch Naruto, thanks. Endless action is just as boring as courtroom drama.

>>94746653
>chicks doing things
>naruto
Pick one

>>94746705
What is Hinata, What is Tsunadae, What is Kaguya, What is Ino, What is Mei, heck even Sakura got some kills

>>94746524
Cause he is the only well rounded character.

>>94746748
fucking nerd

>>94746748
What is every arc villain?

For me it's
DDS1>DDS2>LK>JJ>IF>Defenders
There is nothing memorable in Defenders. At least JJ had Purple Man.

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>>94746797

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>>94746804
>lk
>luke kage

>>94746857
Oh shit, my bad.

OH MY BABIES

>>94746910
>ALL MY BABIES IS GONE!
I had a bit of a chuckle at that one.

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>>94746872
I'll let you off this time, anon. Just don't do it again.

>>94746397
Jessica Jones needs to be split into scenes with Kilgrave and scenes without Kilgrave, with the latter being last.

>>94747093
Kilgrave is coming back for JJS2, maybe they'll actually make him purple this time and it won't just be flashback bullshit.

DD1/2 = JJ = LC > Defenders > Any episode of DD related to The Hand > IF

>>94746397
did you really have to separate DD S2?
>>94746463
nah, it wasn't. it had some slow parts, but that doesn't make it "entirely shit".

>>94746397
DDs1>DDs2=LCs1>JJs1=Defenders>>>>>>>IF

>>94747186
Oh actually, let's split Luke Cage into Cottonmouth episodes. Anything after his death can be lower down.

There's something that needs to be said about the Punisher episodes of Daredevil. I hated the fight scenes and action scenes of that arc, they were way too rough and shaky for my tastes. But I've never been so emotionally invested in a story then with that arc. It nearly brought me to tears, it was so good. They should have just ended the season right after that arc ended.

>>94747239
Honestly speaking, I've only been emotionally touched twice in these netflix series. Once with the punisher, and the other in defenders when the woman cried about losing all of her children

>>94747311
>all her criminal children

>>94747417
Candace wasn't a criminal. She was killed for not being a criminal.

>>94747443
Both of her sons were.

I liked IF more then Cage, the 2nd half of it got better and he's a more interesting character then a invincible Harlem negro. I just wish they cast someone else as him.

>>94747443
truth

Daredevil fucking sucks at his job

>>94746397
DD>LC>DF>IF=JJ

>>94747515
>Who ever thought a black man in a hoodie could be a *hero?!*
LC show summed up in one sentence

>>94746479
there is nothing wrong with liking Iron Fist, I like it as well but it is without denial the worst show.

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>>94746397
In complete agreement with you OP.

>>94747573
I disagree, I think Luke Cage was worse.

>>94747186
This

Is defenders even worth watching? I hated Jessica Jones except for the parts with kilgrave and I heard that iron fist is cucked of his powers

>>94747634
naw,

>>94746397
Seems pretty solid, but I'm only on ep3 of Defenders and I'm enjoying it so far.

based stick

Dds1>dds2=LC>Def>IF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JJ

Daredevil was amazing in this, and I really found Jessica somewhat endearing (and she got some of the more interesting things to do, being a detective), and Luke and Danny had some chemistry that gives me hope for Heroes for Hire.

>>94747634
I disagree but to each his own I guess

>>94747758
Stick gets shit done.

>>94746586
>punisher isn't a good fighter
>promise of info about family means nothing to frank
>frank knows daredevil is blind
Yeah, I can't believe you made all these mistakes.

>>94747443
>>94747530
>perjury isn't a crime

>>94746397
>All these people splitting up seasons
Nah m8
>Daredevil S1
>Daredevil S2
>Luke Cage
>Iron Fist
>Jessica Jones
Not done Defenders, but it's between IF and LC.
I also really liked Jessica Jones, I've enjoyed the Netflix ride so far, the villains have been (mostly) fantastic.

>>94746397
>no punisher cameo in defenders

fuck off

>>94746748
More like, who are they, because who gives a shit about Tsunade and Sakura

>>94747239
>I hated the fight scenes and action scenes of that arc
It wasn't on par with the first season, but seeing Matt just pass through a doorframe and knock his batons against the top to alert the mooks so confidently was just fucking beautiful. TIny touches like that alone made it passable to me

>Jessica: who are you?

>matt: I'm Matt Murdock and I'm here to THE DEFENDERS you

A bit on the nose don't you think?

>>94749223
I mean he did just eat out her stank puss so......

>>94749174
>because who gives a shit about Tsunade

My penis does.

>>94749223
they had to make so obvious even a blind man could see it

>>94746397
nope that's horribly inaccurate

DD S1 > DD S2 > JJ = LC > Def > IF

>>94746524

His seasons fleshed his character out in a way they didn't for the others

DDS1>JJ>DDS2>defenders>LC>IF

luke cage is great till cottenmoiths death and iron fist is pretty bad whenever the mechums aren't on screen they should've just made a heros for hire series establishing the friendship. I'm only on the sixth episode the actions been consistent and they work well together. What I really want is a spider-man team up Netflix series where it's spidey teaming up with these guys to take on kingpin

Cottonmouth season 1 was pretty kino, DESU.

stop separating Daredevil season 2 into 2 parts.

>>94747666
Should really watch Iron Fist and Luke Cage first.

Danny has enhanced explosive strength with the fist, nigh invincibility of the fist, shockwaves and healing.

>>94747417
(you)

>>94746479
Diversity and Comics?

Daredevil S1 > Daredevil S2 > Jessica Jones > Luke Cage > Defenders > Iron Fist

Iron Fist gets a lot of shit, but Luke Cage post Cottonmouth is a total shit show. And Jessica Jones was just as spotty as Daredevil S2 or Luke Cage, but with a less obvious cause.

>>94747493
man, cole was just trying to make a dollar outta ten cents. so what if it was disposing bodies, at least homie had a job.

>>94746586
Shut up Whedon.

Fisk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Punisher

Fisk + Punisher Scenes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything Else

>>94751671
Diamondback and Shades are better villains than anything IF offered which was just The Hand all through for 13 episodes.

>>94746397
Defenders had not a single good action scene. Everything was filmed in complete darkness with shaky cam.

DD S1
DD S2
Iron Fist
Defenders

I haven't seen JJ or LC and don't plan on it either. I don't understand why people here shit on Iron Fist so much. The action scenes weren't perfect but at least you could see what was happening, maybe that was part of the problem but it's preferable to seeing nothing but shaky shadows. The corporate stuff was a bit much but better than two characters giving each other a soapy pep talk. Defenders was worse than Walking Dead in that regard of putting up this filler shit where two characters just exchange platitudes about "staying strong" and "being in this together". I fucking hate this shit so much.

>>94746397
>We can all agree on this right?
1. No
B. Who cares? It's all shit, why give it a pecking order?

>>94746397
Luke Cage was objectively the worst of the shows. JJ coming in at second worst. This is a fact.

>>94751782
>Diamondback and Shades are better villains than anything IF offered which was just The Hand all through for 13 episodes.

So you didn't actually watch IF? Because Harold was by far the best villain of all Netflix Marvel shows and Ward made for the best pseudo-villain with a redemption arc. Those 2 characters alone were so far above anything LC had it's not even a fair comparison.

why do people like LC? he was great in JJ, but liked to put me to sleep in his own show. the first half of LC was on par with IF as a whole, while the second half was worse than IF. is it popular because hes black?

IF at least talked about the hand, linking it to DD and the defenders.

>>94749407
Almost
I'd put JJ before DD S2 because of the second part
Elektra is an even worse character than Danny Rand and ruins everything

>>94746397
Luke Cage > JJ
If it was a little better paced it'd be better than Defenders too, that and if Mariah was more threatening

>>94746397
Daredevil > Luke Cage > Iron Fist > Jessica Jones

This is storywise and characterwise.

>>94746479
I loved the fight scenes. Specially the Enter the Dragon and Drunken Master tributes.
But overall, it's the weakest series. I still like it and I still consider it good, better that the garbage CW makes.

>>94746397
No.

Daredevil S1 > First half of Daredevil S2 > Defenders > Jessica Jones > Luke Cage > Second half of Daredevil > Iron Fist

>>94746397
no because I never watched JJ or LC, If I wanted to BLACKED shoved in my face I would go to /gif/

>>94753442
I'm tired of having black on mulatto, irish on greek, and white on eurasian shoved in my face.

DD1>JJ>LC>Defenders>DD2>IF

I've seen Daredevil and Luke Cage, do I need to see Iron Fist and Jessica Jones to understand The Defenders?

>>94753976
No.

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Daredevil S2 Punisher Arc > Jessica Jones without Fillers > Daredevil S1 >Luke Cage Cotton Mouth Arc > the Defenders >>>Daredevil S2 Ninja Arc >>>Jessica Jones Filers >>>>> Luke Cage Diamond Back Arc

>>94746397
I still can't believe they went through the whole Hand plotline to its conclusion, and no one managed to explain what the heck a Black Sky even really is.

>>94754133
Read the fucking manga.

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What did they mean by this?

>>94754113
i'd say daredevil s1 would be the vest, but other than that i agree with this. (also where is iron fist?)

>>94754194
that triggered me so hard. i knew the SJWs were going to get a hard on as soon as i saw that scene.

>>94749091
>Iron Fist above anything

No.

>>94754194
>The only talent you have is a superpower that was given to you without you having to do anything to earn it.
>vs a guy who lost everything when he was a little kid and had to fight ever since for everything he now has.
>somehow the former is less privileged than the latter

how exactly does this work?

>>94753080
But I can't stand how Danny is written/the actor's delivery. He drags down the parts of IF that are good, like his villain(s).

>>94754305
one is black and the other is white

>>94754293
How long until you will simply accept that people have different (better) taste than you? Most people who aren't politically driven prefer IF over LC and JJ. Deal with it. It was simply a more entertaining, better paced and overall better show.

Why do people like Purple Man? He was such a terrible villain.

Just finished Defenders and honestly i'd rate it the lowest. I didn't hate it but thought all the other shows were better, despite having a lot of filler episodes.

DDs1 > Luke Cage before Cottonmouth dies > DDs2 > the rest of Luke Cage > Defenders > shit > Jessica Jones > Iron Fist

DD S1 > DD S2 > Defenders > LC before Cottonmouth dies > JJ > LC after Cottonmouth = IF

>>94746397
Is Daredevil S02E01 part of the Punisher episodes?

I stopped after watching it. The direction was worse than the worse in S1. It was even more obvious that the punches and kicks don't connect than in S1. And the shooting in the restaurant was devoid of any intensity, it was really bad.
And there's not much thing to say about the story in one episode of a netflix serie.

>>94754394
He was literally the only remotely interesting thing in Jessica Jones.

>>94754394
leddit and tumblr likes that meme actor.

>>94754598
How? He was a bad police procedural-tier villain but with superpowers and a massive letdown after the plank that was raised by Fisk.

Why does black people music always play when Luke Cage is on screen? Do they think we will forget that he is supposed to be a black?

>>94754194
If there is one white superhero who you don't have to fucking "explain privilege" to it's Iron Fist. If there is one character where it's clear that the people bitching about them have never read a single comic with him in in their lives, it's poor Danny.

>>94754655
It isn't just for Luke. Rap/Hip-Hop plays when Iron Fist is doing his thing.

>>94754861
So fresh and so clean!

>>94746397
>Daredevil S2 Punisher episodes > Daredevil S1 > Daredevil S2 Elektra episodes > Defenders S1 > Jessica Jones S1 scenes not featuring Jessica Jones > first half of Luke Cage S1 > Jessica Jones S1 featuring Jessica Jones > second half of Luke Cage > Iron Fist S1

Ritter plays Jones as a bitch 14 year old. I can't stand it...but the JJ supporting cast was great.

Luke Cage goes off the rails towards the end which ruins what could have been a better show.

>>94754622
To be fair nothing is gonna top Fisk as a Marvel villain.

He's easily the best they've produced either on Netflix or in the movies.

D'Onofrio killed it with that role. Cottonmouth is a close second but they wasted the character both literally and metaphorically.

>>94747311
ALL MY BABIES IS GONE
i was laughibg my ass off

>>94746397
Luke Cage > Jessica Jones > Defenders > Daredevil s2 > Iron Fist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daredevil s1

>>94755134
My feelings exactly. Speaking of wasted potential, Alexandra just makes me mad. They could've made Hand compelling villains for once in those shows.

>>94754194
>>94754245
>>94754305
>>94754743

he was clearly talking about him being born to a billionaire family

>>94755145
Luke's "what the fuck have I gotten myself into" face is priceless in that scene

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>>94754622
>great performance as shithead who's had everything he wanted since a kid and how dysfunctional that would make you
>realistic portrayal of the "uncanny valley" effect of sociopathy where he seems charming at first but then you realize he has no idea how real interpersonal relationships or morals work and is going off of what he sees on tv shows and will never blame himself for anything
>worked well for the shows themes of overcoming abuse, he never physically assaults jessica or any of his other victims, his control is entirely psychological and people often feel like it's their fault, just like a real abusive relationship
>unlike most super villains he doesnt use his powers to try and destroy the city or take over the world, he just wants to fuck hot chicks and get free shit, refreshingly grounded motivation
>interesting uses of his powers with him ordering people to carry out his plans in various inventive ways and the ways in which his orders can be circumvented and him trying to get around their limits
>guilty pleasure scenes of him controlling random people

>>94755363
I'm tempted to actually continue watching Jessica Jones but Jessica is such an unbearable bitch with a shittily written show.

>>94755363
>great performance
You mean incredibly obnoxious overacting?
>realistic
Doesn't mean "good". And sociopaths are very boring villains with very few exceptions which he isn't. All it means is that he's a shallow and extremely boring villain.
>his control is entirely psychological
It would've been a plus had it been, you know, actually frightening and not pathetic.
>unlike most super villains
>generic "do what feels good" shit you'd find in every fictional serial killer is totally not dull because it's not "le take over the world"
Oh, fuck off. His motivation is refreshing only if you read and watch nothing but capeshit.
>interesting uses of his powers
>inventive
Now this is straight-up delusions.

>>94754305
Luke was talking about Randy's other superpower, the same one Bruce Wayne has.

On the last couple episodes of Defenders and right now I would say it is pretty weak. The pacing is decent, but the choreography for everyone not named Daredevil is terrible.

DD S1=DD S2>Luke Cage first half>IF>Luke Cage second Half(too many episodes about healing from the bullet)>Defenders>JJ

>>94749091
People split up the seasons because Luke Cage and Daredevil season 2 have 2 arcs and after the midway point almost become a new season or movie in itself.

I rewatched DDS1 and my god is it better than everything else.

>Dat Danny temper tantrum episode 6

I really feel bad for IF fans they are butchering his character.

Luckily I am a DD fan

>>94747889
Both actors want to do Heroes for Hire.

>>94754194
Didn't /co/ argue in favor of Danny being white because him discovering his white privilige was important to his character?

>>94756118
They have enough chemistry to work well only if they get a good writer instead of a shitty one.

DDxJJ OTP
Elektra a shit.

>>94756335
A big black man and a skinny white boi having chemistry. Hhmmm.

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>>94746397
Is that how it is? Because after watching this the only one of JJ/LC/IF I'm interested in watching is Iron Fist. Anway hoping for a fanedit that cuts out the worst(practically all) of the JJ/LC/IF solo stuff. As DD S2.5 it was pretty good.

>>94747238

This guy gets it.

>>94755164

To be fair Gao is great.

>>94746397
Put Luke Cage Cottonmouth Episodes equal to DD S1 and yeah

Just finished episode 7. The fight scene was pretty good, but yet again the IF fight was mediocre to bad. I don't understand how DD fights can be so good and IF fights so bad. And how dumb can they make Danny, seriously.

I saw how the wall was going to go down as soon as he was set free but I was hoping he wouldn't be that stupid.

>>94757225
The Japanese guy was pretty cool too.

Literally each season is worse than the one before it. The declining quality is surreal in its consistency.

>>94757258
Nothing in LC is even close to equal to DD s1. The very best of LC is still way worse than the worst of DD s2, let alone DD s1.

>>94746397
Objectively you're wrong and so is everyone else in this thread. The only correct answer is to differentiate between the fucking amazing first half of Luke Cage and the dull as dishwater second half.

Daredevil S1 > Daredevil S2 (Punisher) > Luke Cage (Cottonmouth) > Jessica Jones = Defenders > Daredevil S2 (Elektra) > Iron Fist > Luke Cage (Diamondback)

>>94757355
Nah, the Netflix Marvel shows peaked in shittyness with JJ. Luke Cage was also pretty terrible, but slightly better, then IF was slightly better still and Defenders is about equal to IF.

>>94746397
Well if it's better than JJ then I guess i'll watch the rest of the series now. LK and IF were meh

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>>94755363
So can I just watch JJ for Purpleman? Do I just skip through any scene he's not in?

>>94746397
Daredevil S1>daredevil s2 punisher
Keep your fanboyism down

>>94757368
There was no amazing half of Luke Cage, only the slightly less shitty half. Also, the Elektra episodes in DD s2 are hilariously underrated. They sure as hell aren't worse than fucking Jessica Jones or any part of Luke Cage.

>>94746397
>Netflix goea full Sentai with the color scheme.

Shit was adorable.

Remember that scene at the architects firm with the fish take amd blue lights and blue tables and everything?

We get it! Color codes.

I wish we got a scene of the secondaey xharacters all talking at the station.

Wish IGH was tied to Daredevils truck and Nuke.

>>94757416
I somewhat agree with you at least for how people viewed the elektra episodes. I think the first half of Luke Cage is good, but people really over hype it.

JJ is a good netflix show, just not a good comic show. Luke Cage started off strong but was ruined by the whole second half. DD season 2 was good throughout it is just the first half was slightly better than the second.

>>94757275
Dany had the idiot ball for the whole show. Him being a clueless punch first think later drove most of the plot forward. Funnily enough it madr him endearing too me. He wasn't too annoying. When he was happily eating dimsum while the rest were worrying about life and death sold the character for me.

This show proves that the Netflix shows are much better when they're shorter. No need for 13 episodes, 8 was perfect and this had no filler

Wasn't Misty fixing to turn in her badge at the end of Luke Cage because of the system?

>>94757752
That's what it seemed like. In fact, her character arc in Defenders was a retread of her arc in Luke Cage.

>>94757578
>JJ is a good netflix show
So, Netflix standards are very fucking low.

>>94757786
It's like the writers needed a friend on the force, but they didn't really do anything with her that Foggy or even Hogarth could have done.

>>94747093
Nuke was good too.

>>94757992
Nuke was somehow even worse than Kilgrave.

>>94746397
>Daredevil S2 Punisher episodes > Daredevil S1 > Daredevil S2 Elektra episodes > Defenders S1 > Jessica Jones S1 > Luke Cage S1 > Iron Fist S1

I've not seen Defenders (yet? ugh...) but agree with the other ranking.

>>94757992
Nuke was some contrived bullshit.

>>94746479
Id say while it wasn't very good(the non-Ward corporate scenes were god damn unwatchably boring) but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as post-Diamondback LC.
I couldnt even finish LC it got so fucking bad.

>>94758043
LC made the mistake of taking Luke's origin off the street. Him being from Georgia shits on the fact that he actually did grow up dealing with the bullshit and the gangs. Having him be a miracle child, preacher's son, who was a cop and a marine detracted from him being Harlem's own hero. The Diamondback brother shit was the cherry on the shit sundae because it added nothing. He was the exact kind of crazy asshole that he would be just as pissed if they were in the Rivals and Luke got off light.

Did they ever explicitly explain how JJ got her powers in this universe? I really can't be arsed to run though that show again.

>>94758230
Car crash into Chemicals™

Daredevil Season 1 > Daredevil Season 2 Punisher Episodes > First Half of Luke Cage > Iron Fist > Daredevil Season 2 Elektra Episodes > Defenders > Second Half of Luke Cage

have yet to see JJ but plan to do it soon

>>94746397
I've only watched 4 episodes and Defenders is shit, only character that is fine is Elektra, Stick is just ok, Sigourney is shit, the serie is slow as fuck Daredevil helpping the thieves WTF all the shit that Danny get after tell Cage that the hand kill his parents all the BLM shit with Cage why they don't try to kill Sigourney at the end of the 4th episode ... Only Daredevil 1&2 worth

>>94758230
>>94758258
You forgot the secret corporation angle

>>94758230
no, it will be a plotline of season 2

>>94756065
well, as much as a petulant child he seemed at the time, it turned out he was in the right and trying to hide him only ended up serving him to the hand, and almost worse with stick

DD Season 1 > DDS2 Punisher Eps > LC Cottonmouth Eps > JJ > Defenders > DDS2 Elektra Eps > LC Diamondback Eps > IF

So with Danny's ending in Defenders implying he's going vigilante mode to honor Matt, shouldn't IF season 2 come out before DD season 3?

>>94757645
I think (and like) that they are really playing on Danny being a weapon. When he tries to do something on his own he goes wild and everything ends up going to shit. He is happiest when he is sticking to his teachings, or in the scene you reference, hanging out with friends who will guide him and give him purpose. Just like any other weapon he needs to be directed toward a target.

It does make him rough to follow in his own show though. Especially if the plot is him being sick of being told what to do and trying to get what he wants.

>>94756065
>Spend last couple of years defending Danny over false character analysis that spawning over a 1000 think-pieces.
>Tell people his actual origin/character
>Hyped as fuck for series
>Not people ignore Internet backlash and focus on show, now people hate him for being "a whiny brat".
>MCU Danny barely like his comic counterpart, origin gets Bucked.
>People now hate him so much, they wouldn't even check out the comics and/or want him to be Asian.

>Will never see a comic accurate Danny (or Luke), because of agro and critical maiming.


O-Ok.

>>94760225
>Hyped as fuck for series
Was it before or after you learned that Buck is a showrunner?

>>94760305
I've ever watched the seasons of Dexter that caused the fandom to implode. I didn't know what to expect. I kept an open mind.

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Finally finished it
Solid 6/10
The Hand,Elektra and iron fist fucking sucked and brought the show down

>>94755776
I'm sorry you can't find enjoyment in life, it must be miserable being you.

>every scene with sigourney/Elektra is like the beginning of a mature/young lesbian porno

Really got my hopes up in a way that didn't deliver desu senpai

Daredevil S2 > Daredevil S1 > Defenders > Iron Fist > Luke Cage > Jessica Jones

>>94749718
But did we want it?

>>94756065
>30 pieces of silver

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>>94762526
She wanted it

>>94757275
Costume means easier to have a stuntguy. Danny's face means less stuntguy, more Finn-cant-throw-an-actual-punch-Jones.

>Matt's fight scenes were actually on screen to a good degree
>everyone else was jump cut to hell
Just fucking give Danny a mask and have a stunt double do his fights like holy fucking shit

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>>94762713
>That scene when Danny's fighting the Hand
>When he does a kung-fu flip his hoodie's hood just fly's up to cover the stuntman's identity
>When he's on the ground the hoodie's hood is down
Like just put on the costume. It would draw less attention to the stuntman switching.

Him replacing DD as the local hero would give him a good reason to wear a mask I think.

In that shot of him scouting on the rooftops, he already has the green/yellow tracksuit going on. I can see early on his S2, he'd be recognized by some thug, which leads him to getting a mask, or better yet, a costume.

>>94762805
I forgot, did Danny see the footage of OG Iron Fist? He could pay homage to it.

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Let's rate the antagonists.
Wilson Fisk > Cottonmouth > Madame Gao > Killgrave > Diamondback > Elektra/Rest of The Hand
> Mariah

My biggest fucking issue with Danny is that he doesn't ACT like a monk.

You can't live with monks for 15 fucking years without their way of life rubbing off on you. The only inclination we get of that is that he knows kung-fu, likes to sleep on the floor and meditates (which seems to have no goddamn effect because he's still all over the place and brash as hell) and I'm pretty sure that the idea is, like DD, his religion is a big part of who the character is (even though it's Buddhism and so poorly understood by a lot of westerners, the few times the show brought it up they were accurate and correct I know this as a buddhist)

He shouldn't be a fortune cookie, but he definitely shouldn't be such a whiner.

>>94762833
Hell, this would have been a good time to introduce an IF costume. Just have a shrine to a previous fist with his costume still there (or a corpse) in the dragon graveyard.

>>94762911
Kilgrave > Fisk > Cottonmouth > Diamondback > being set on fire like Nobu > Anything related to the Hand

>>94762911
everyone else >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bokudowhateverhisnameis

>>94762911
What about Harold?

>>94762969
God I fucking hated that prick. They were going for cool, collected bad guy, but he just talked like a faggot the whole time.

>>94762973
Oh yeah I forgot about him. Maybe put him a little above The Hand but honestly he was pretty weak. Madame Gao stole the show in Iron Fist for me.

>>94762973
You know. I forgot about Harold. He was just passively evil until like the finale.

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>We're not so different, you and I.
What did she mean by this?

>>94762973
As a character, I'd place him near Fisk/Frank level. I LOVED Faramir. And Ward slightly below him.

>>94746397
The only show worth watching remains Daredevil, and the upcomming Punisher show. Everything is trash.

Iron Fist recast as someone who's at least otter mode when?

>>94763001
Reminded me of a fucking annoying chad gym yoga instructor.

>>94763099
They even pull it again with Electra and Iron Fist. Green Goblin all over again.

>>94763270
Except Defoe knows how to be cheesy right.

I only watch like 4 episodes of Daredevil S1 (still searching for will to finish it) and all of Iron fist S1.
Until now Iron fist S1>DD S1

>>94757360
Music

>>94746397
Daredevil s 1> Jessica jones s1, daredevil s2 punisher part> first half of Luke cage> daredevil season 2 Elektra part> the defenders> second half of like cage> iron fist

>>94746397
Iron Fist was better than JJ and LC. It didn't rehash the same fucking plot every 2 episodes (capture Killgrave>yey Killgrave is captured>oh noes Killgrave escapes!) or shoot itself on the foot by killing the interesting villain and replacing it with a shit actor and evil womyn.

It's just a meme. There's objectively nothing in Iron Fist that makes it lesser than JJ or LC. It's arguably best. It's greatest flaw is the second episode.

>>94763123
IF had the best supporting cast. Ward was awesome.

I heard Iron Fist fight choreography sucks and I skipped, now I watch Defenders where he got to fight a bunch of businessmen and I like it.

Did they improve or do I have low standards?

>>94765522
They improved.

>>94746397
Daredevil S1 > Luke Cage S1 > JJ S1 > DD S2 > Defenders > Iron Fist S1

>>94765522
they had better choreography, but if you notice the clearly made an effort to keep danny off the screen or in the background as much as possible during group fights, or obscured by having them in the dark.
it goes further than choreography, the actor couldn't sell the moves either

why was he on the team? who knows
>agile ninja karate expert able to sense all activity happening inside a sky scraper all at once
>strong tanky brick
>glass brick that can jump good and has detective skills
>less agile less proficient karate guy with regular human senses who can punch marginally harder than the brick characters but only like once a day and then needs to recharge

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Daredevil Season 1=Jessica Jones Season 1>Daredevil Season 2 Punisher Episodes>The Defenders>Luke Cage>Daredevil Season 2 Elektra episodes>Iron Fist

Honestly is Elektra a interesting character in the comics? Because i cant fucking like her at all, she's literally daddy issues and Hawkeye except not interesting.

>>94765522
they had more than 15mins of rehearsal this time

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Daredevil's maroon suit continues to mock me with its very existence.

Something that stuck out to me is that Jessica is written as a huge cunt now.

When I rewatched her show I remember thinking she spends the whole time hating herself but the only thing she really does wrong is not telling Luke Cage the full story and realistically he'd just tell her to fuck off and he'd miss out on superstrong white pussy if she did, but she always tries her best to help people even if they're being complete shitheads to her.

But here she really is an asshole who's a complete bitch to everyone when she could hold her tongue when need-be before and seems to genuinely not give a fuck about stopping an evil cult from killing innocent people and destroying the city.

>>94762925

Well we don't know what the monks were like, maybe they're all dickheads like Stick. I think he's characterized pretty realistically as a 10 year old boy who was traumatized at that age by a plane crash that killed his parents and then removed from society for 15 years. He's very immature and hotheaded and doesn't know how to negotiate or even really talk with other adults because all he's interacted with is some weirdo magic hermits who seemingly just want to train him how to fight and beat him when he gets it wrong, so of course he's quick to violence and doesn't know what he wants to do now he has agency. Still an annoying person to watch though.

>>94765997
It really bothered me when he was fighting Elektra in Defenders and her Hand suit was a way more vibrant red than his.

>>94762925
>The only inclination we get of that is that he knows kung-fu, likes to sleep on the floor and meditates
the thing that triggers me

despite everything you just said he has been doing for 15 years, he can't sit in full lotus

why bother with the half? all they are doing is drawing attention to the problem. Just sit in regular crisscross applesauce and be done with it

>>94747515
Yeah I can agree with that. The curly hair and, I don't know... softness? He doesn't look very muscular. Not very tough.

>>94765522
Didn't finish but the first action scene in the sewer and the corridor scene are both great, he as actor is great in the dinner scene, not so good in the others, the fight vs Cage is mehh but the last fist is cool

>>94754194
that scene was a terrible way to talk about privilege. Luke knows Danny's parents died and he was raised by warriors who broke him every day yet he defines Danny by his skin and money he just got his hands on a year ago. The scene is meant to make luke seem smart by asking Danny to use his resources, but its really hypocritical considering Luke literally just punches people and fails at anything else. Luke comes off sounding bitter and petty over Danny's status

>>94754655
>Luke cage taking the bus from jail
>hip hop music
>people playing basketball
>statues of hisgorical black people
we get it he's black...

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>>94755776
>You mean incredibly obnoxious overacting?
He's a guy who's had mind control since he was a kid which is why he has a dramatic flair because he can say whatever the fuck he wants, but you can tell David Tenant is doing it on purpose from his multi-layered performance moments when he plays Killgrave trying to tone himself down to seem palatable to Jessica.
>Doesn't mean "good". And sociopaths are very boring villains with very few exceptions which he isn't. All it means is that he's a shallow and extremely boring villain.
Except he's a better written sociopath than 99% of them and goes into things like how their psyche is usually built around villainizing their parents in their head and virtually every thought being in reaction to that, thinking even romantic relationships have to be a win/lose scenario, having a conception of morality that's just to excuse how they're not that bad compared to the REAL bad guys, all interesting aspects and Tenant plays it almost sympathetically so you catch yourself feeling sorry for him even once you get past the artificial charm and all his lies.
>It would've been a plus had it been, you know, actually frightening and not pathetic.
That's why it's compelling and ironically more frightening, because he seems like what a real maladjusted person would be doing with that power set, just going about committing rapes and trying to force people to love him, and you can imagine falling victim to someone with that pathology irl, rather than non-stop wacky torture or whatever drivel you'd prefer.
>Oh, fuck off. His motivation is refreshing only if you read and watch nothing but capeshit.
Well of course I'm referring to capeshit since I was talking about his use of SUPER powers, but even then a character who operates by childish hedonism is still entertaining since most fictional villains are motivated by some grand plan the viewer knows wont really come to fruition because it'd end the story.

Didnt watch Iron Fist and Luke Cage
Can I watch the Defenders?

Jessica: Who are you?

Matt: I'm attorney Matt Murdock and I'm here to Netflix Presents Disney's Marvel's The Defenders you

who wrote this??

>>94766641
Sure, all the things that matters about these two are explained in the first 3 episodes

>>94766641
very much so. its basically daredevil season 3

>>94766379
I don't think Luke knows about any of that. It isn't until much later on that the abusive training is brought up. Ironically this scene actually ends up making Luke the bigot since he knows next to nothing about Danny as a person besides what little Claire told him, so basically he's judging Danny purely by skin color instead of as an individual and then dismisses his worth as an ally.

Danny would fall under a class argument since he was born into money, but spent far more of his life being brutalized and turned into a living weapon. He doesn't even get to be Mighty Whitey since it turns out he didn't learn their kung-fu better than they did. Dude knows shit about his own powers. Seems like Shou-Lao literally just chose him because it knew the fight against the Hand would take place in New York and Danny has a connection there.

Still it's a very minor scene that is never brought up again. Easy to pass off as Luke still being pissed about how he first met Danny, not to mention getting punched. Meanwhile Danny is too full of guilt for abandoning the city, not to mention the Netflix version isn't exactly that bright.

>>94756387
Yesss. Why is this not more popular?

>>94746397
I prefer Iron Fist to Luke Cage and DD Season 2.

>>94746397
Haven't started Defenders yet, but my current ranking is:

DDS2 (Punisher)
DDS1
LC
JJ
DDS2 (Elektra and the Hand)
IF

Man, they are butchering Danny character on purpose right? Because, even tho I'm not a fan of Loras as IF, he gives a good impression of Danny(at least when he is relaxed, and not in PTSD faggot mode). So it seens to me that this is not an acting problem, but more a script one. Why the fuck would they do this to the other half of Heroes for Hire (idk even if they're gonna do this shit anymore)

>>94767959
Plebiest of pleb taste

>>94754194
How did the Defenders "find" it?
The made the episode.
What a stupid sentence.

>Iron Fist not unanimously the worst
Explain.

>>94755281
The context was about what he was doing by attacking people like the black kid working for the Hand. Luke might've had a point had the person he was defending not been an accessory to murder attached to a resurrection ninja cult, which Claire can confirm.

>>94755281
That was clearly Luke's intention, though the flashbacks we had of young Danny never showed him enjoying any power. More being terrorized by others who had power due to being older. Thanks, Ward! Young Danny never had power or control over the family fortunes. So he had a cushy life playing monopoly with a bully. Okay, there's certainly worse ways to grow up. Then there is the whole plane crash, dead parents, abusive life under strict monks, etc.

Luke doesn't know that, of course, or we never got any sense of Claire mentioning it in her history lesson (she apparently mention the monks treatment since since it gets mentioned later). but then that's kind of the point. He doesn't treat Danny like a person, an individual, but rather tries to pigeonhole him into a stereotype based solely on Danny's class and gender and dismiss his worth and worthiness as a person and a potential ally.

But hey there are worse things than being called rich and powerful, right?

>dude, lets totally explode everything instead of just killing the five fingers of the hand!

>>94769708
It makes sense that they would doubt that destroying the Hand would completely defeat the organization. The organization may survive even without Hydra's classic slogan about heads. Too much money, to far a reach, too steeped in secrecy and trained to hide. The Hand very well might survive, in fact, though I hope they lay off the damn thing. Seriously, this ninja shit got old fast even if it does give an excuse for martial arts fight scenes.

Now why they think destroying an empty building would ensure the organization would never rise again, yeah, I've got no clue about that. But hey, at least it clogged the death hole that was about to eat New York.

>>94769988
I was hoping they completely succeeded. I like the idea of immortal ninjas that you can kill with no remorse because they get reborn. Why would you throw away such good fodder like that?

>>94753198
Arrow is way better.

Oddly enough this made me look forward to Iron Fist S2 the most.

>People saying "The Punisher Episodes" as if his story doesn't keep going through the whole season

Some of the absolute best Punisher stuff happens AFTER he gets taken into custody.

Or do you guys just flat tune completely out as long as there isn't someone in a costume onscreen?

>>94746397
I just watched all the shows over the past couple weeks, so I feel particularly qualified to make this list
Great
>Daredevil S1
>Luke Cage
Good
>Jessica Jones
>Daredevil S2 (On average. Punisher stuff is Great, Electra stuff is god-awful. Together it evens out to meh)
Bad
>Defenders
Boring
>Iron Fist.

>>94746479

Nice try Diversity and Comics.

>>94754293
I found Danny qt and new Ward and daddy were better than the first half of JJ.

>>94766591
I'm convinced that, while the show DID have problems, a good 85% of the butthurt over Jessica Jones comes from autists who either get triggered by JJ getting blacked, or relate a little too much with Killgrave and his attitude toward interpersonal relationships and women, and think the writers are mocking them directly.

>>94746397
LC > JJ > DDS1 > DDS2 > DEF > IF

>>94746397
DD2 (first half) > DD1 > JJ (it got better later on) > LC > Defenders >> IF

>>94773542
Oh yeah and sandwich DD2 (Second half/Elektra) between LC and Defenders

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>>94746397
I haven't watched JJ or finished Defenders, but the Elektra episodes I couldn't enjoy at all, while I enjoyed IF and LC, even though LC took a noticeable dip with the Diamondback shit

>>94753198
>fight scenes
Prove it.

>>94773276
My biggest problem with JJ is the series as a whole is just a stone cold bummer.

Admittedly it's supposed to be a bummer because it's neo noir, but still, god fucking damn.

Other problems are Nuke being shoehorned the fuck in there. Malcom not getting enough development. Patsy not getting enough screen time. Hogarth acting irrational as all fuck, and Luke simultaneously being too understanding and not understanding enough and otherwise getting inconsistent development.

>>94762794
There was a moment in one of the last episodes where he makes the motion to lower his hood after a fight, but he misses and ends up just brushing it back slightly. I don't know why the fuck they kept it in, it was so awkward.

>>94762805
What even would the point of a costume be from a story perspective? Heroes wear costumes for 3 reasons.

1. To create a symbol (his symbol is on his bare chest and fist)
2. To protect themselves and their loved ones (his only fucking loved one is his sidekick unless you want to maybe count Ward?)
3. To protect their job (he has controlling stock in his company)

He's also already known to a fat chunk of the criminal underworld and to the higher ups in local government. The only reason I could think of him donning a costume would be because of the Accords, which I feel like Danny is just stupid enough to sign in the first place, making that moot too.

>>94774727
Actually would Danny even be required to sign the accords? Technically anyone can manipulate chi with practice, and he doesn't have any enhancements besides that. Is there a cutoff where punched a dragon levels of chi would be considered a superpower but regular chi wouldn't?

Jessica and Luke would, but neither of them really identifies as a hero and they've pretty much only dealt with personal shit. Daredevil might, but he has no offensive powers or special equipment.

Actually, why the fuck were Black Widow and Hawkeye subject to the Accords? Is it because of their Avengers gear and resources?

>>94775036
Pretty sure the Sokovia accords had nothing to do with whether or not you had powers, they were just laws saying the Avengers had to answer to a governing body rather than doing whatever the fuck they wanted.

>>94775513
>we want the avengers to answer to a governing body, even though we're highly susceptible to being infiltrated by hydra

what a bunch of dummies

>>94775513
>they were just laws saying the Avengers had to answer to a governing body rather than doing whatever the fuck they wanted.
Hawkeye had retired from the Avengers and still got locked up for violating it. Ant-Man was never a member of the Avengers.

>>94752926
>gao force pushes those cinder blocks at luke and jessica and it takes like ten seconds for them to push the blocks back at her

>luke is able to stop an suv heading towards him at speed with no problem in luke cage but gao slowly pushes a car towards him and he gets knocked backwards into a wall

you're deluded if you don't acknowledge that Luke Cage and Jessica Jones are in a league apart from the rest of the netflix marvel stuff

Luke Cage > Jessica Jones > Daredevil 1 > Daredevil 2 > Defenders > Iron Fist

>>94775568
Yeah, because were aiding and abetting a wanted man, who happened to be the prime suspect in the assassination of a head of state. You don't have to be a superhero or a member of the Avengers to get thrown in jail for that.

> multi-layered performance
Oh, shut up. He was overacting all the damn time. Yes, even in your shitty "palatable" moments so stop making excuses for terrible performances.
>Except he's a better written sociopath than 99% of them
Except that's not true at all. He's as one-note and shallow as they come right down to pretty much every single moustache-twirling line he says. He's a definition of boring villain.
>all interesting aspects
Literally none of that is interesting. In fact, all of that is dull and has been done before
> Tenant plays it almost sympathetically so you catch yourself feeling sorry for him
Yeah, good one. Made me laugh.
>ironically more frightening
It's not frightening at all.
>non-stop wacky torture or whatever drivel you'd prefer.
Of course retarded Kilgravefags always jump to retarded conclusions. See, that's exactly why I hate you worthless morons so much.
Pro-tip: what your idiot villain does is definition of wacky torture.
>>94773276
>more assumptions XD
Then you're precisely a reason why Jessica Jones fanbase is garbage.

>>94775991
I try not to say this much, but man.

U mad.

You're on a fucking CRUSADE against this show.

>>94775558
>we want the avengers to answer to a governing body, even though we're highly susceptible to being infiltrated by hydra
Hawkeye was mind controlled. Hulk is varying levels of mentally unstable and previously killed innocent bystanders in his early days. War Machine literally had his suit stolen, twice. Iron Man had Ultron happen and had his designs ripped off and he gave plans to an improved bioweapon to a one night stand while drunk off his ass. Also his company was infiltrated by an arms dealer. Thor had his government taken over by Loki without him realizing it. Scarlet Witch willingly abetted Ultron. Black Widow is an ex assassin that was previously brainwashed. Spider-man is a fucking high schooler. Vision literally has a magical device that caused Cap, Iron Man, Fury, Banner, Thor, and Black Widow to turn on each other by just being near it implanted in his skull. Cap worked for Hydra Shield.

But sure Hydra might infiltrate enough world governments that it would interfere with the operations of the Avengers.

>>94776042
Nice argument, now fuck off.

>>94775991
>Personal opinion
>Personal opinion
>Personal opinion
>Personal opinion in the form of an insult
>Personal opinion
>Personal opinion AND an insult
Get some new material bro

>>94776100
>But sure Hydra might infiltrate enough world governments
did you watch the winter soldier or what
if it weren't for cap they would have launched those airships that could kill anyone in the world at any time
and then the gubbamint has the nerve to blame cap for bringing them shits down

>>94776125
It's almost as if what I was responding was nothing but personal opinions and insults. Fuck off, moron.

>>94775805
>Yeah, because were aiding and abetting a wanted man, who happened to be the prime suspect in the assassination of a head of state
Yeah, but he was kept in jail AFTER the guy's name was cleared.

Also, what exactly do the accords do specifically if superheroes can still be thrown in jail for heroing when not subject to them?

>>94776176
>and then the gubbamint has the nerve to blame cap for bringing them shits down
He had complete control over their external guns and chose to put them down over a populated area instead of sieging them because civilian casualties were less important than keeping them out of the hands of the government. They had every god damn right to blame him for that shit. How many people on the ground became acceptable losses because of his bullshit?

Seriously, fuck everything about that scene.

>>94776100
>Black Widow is an ex assassin

Barely even ex

>>94776189
>Also, what exactly do the accords do specifically

the same as the Superhero Registration Act in the comics

oh wait

>>94776100
Actually fucking Falcon is literally the only Avenger without a shitshow past or present.

The actual fuck?

The fight scenes in the Defenders were pretty weak.

Jessica Jones > Luke Cage > Daredevil (both seasons)

I still like them all, but Jessica Jones is top tier for me.

Haven't seen Iron Fist or Defenders.

Serious question: How did Jessica survive the Defenders? She explicitly comments on not having combat training and still doesn't get sliced to pieces in every ensuing fight against immortal ninjas with swords.

>>94746397
jessica jones > daredevil > defenders > iron fist > luke cage

fite me

Too many scenes only existed to push the Defenders episodes forward. After the meetup, Jessica goes out of her way to convince both Matt and Luke to stay with the group when they each want to, even though she wasn't any bigger on the team idea. And then she's the first to nope out immediately after that.

>>94763099
>Old Sigourney Weaver will never call you 'baka'

>>94746397
I'd say Jessica Jones and Iron Fist were both better than Defenders.
I know I'm still in the early impressions of it, but I think the only one as bad as Defenders is Luke Cage.

Defenders might actually be the worst show although I haven't seen Iron Fist.

How the hell does Claire fight off two Hand operatives on her own

>tfw Iron Fist is my favorite cape hero
>Have to be utterly embarrassed when I mention it because all the casuals and normies know about him is his awful show and shitty actor.

Thank you Scott Buck.

Something that really bugged me in Iron Fist and Defenders. What was up with all the hip hop songs?

>>94775804
>>94776722
Can either of you try to sell Jessica Jones to me? Not being a shit, legit would like to enjoy as much as you seem to.

>Muh strong womyn tragically victimized by (superpowered) rape
I have trouble getting past this as it seems to be what the entire season is about. I wouldve been game for shittalking lady detective who punches real good. It's such a forced, generic way to make the character tragic and she doesnt even need it. It only weighs the character down.

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>>94777443

>Scott Buck made the worst television finale of all time.

He's the gift that keeps on giving.

>>94769708
new york was gonna collapse or explode or something without them dropping the building in the hole

apparently all of NYC was held up by that Iron Fist wall

>>94777344
>Defenders might actually be the worst show although I haven't seen the worst show
Imagine fucking that.

>>94777392
She had a wrench. If fiction has taught me anything, wrenches and crow bars are basically plot armor.

>>94755281
And how has that helped him?
How was that relevant at all to Danny fighting crime?
>Luke: I am angry at you for doing the exact same thing that I admit to doing only while being rich!

>>94777457
>What was up with all the hip hop songs?
Defenders had all the hiphop in part because it draws elements from all 4 shows and Luke Cage was Neo-blaxploitation. Iron Fist and what it contributes to Defenders had hip hop elements because it draws influence from the kung fu film industry which (and I'm not surprised if you didn't know or realize this) actually is heavily a part of black culture in the USA historically and there's a lot of cross contamination there. You remember Kung Fu Fighting? Yeah that song happened for a reason.

Also because New York City, but there were actually deeper thematic reasons for it beyond the setting.

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>Episode 8 finishes
>Expect next episode
>There is none
Thats it? That was.. All of it? What was that? It was nothing. It was a slog to even get through. Worse than Iron Fist. The only real problems with Iron Fist being the laughably shitty fight scenes.

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>When Luke Cage turns to face gun firing baddies
>When Jessica Jones grabs someone by the collar and shoves them down
>When Iron Fists fight double is obvious
>When Daredevil puts on the goofy mask so you can't take things seriously
>When Iron Fist doesn't get a costume

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Those fight scenes were horrible. How did we go from fight kino in Daredevil to this shaky cam garbage?

>>94777501
>Muh strong womyn tragically victimized by (superpowered) rape
The rape is actually 100% not the focus of Jessica Jones's issues (that's more Hope's deal). If that was what you got out of the series you missed several beats. She refuses to hero because she wasn't strong enough to overcome the first super she comes across. She is obsessed with Luke because she killed his wife. It's more about her being rendered a dangerous slave for months on end than the rape. You'll notice she doesn't have any problems fucking Luke. Her PTSD isn't sex related or related to her being a woman. It's about her having powers but still being powerless.

>>94778035
>new york was gonna collapse or explode or something without them dropping the building in the hole
New York was only going to collapse if they yanked all the dragon bones out of the ground...which were apparently functioning like support columns for the island of Manhattan...which could somehow be extracted without installing replacements in the process because ninja magic.

>apparently all of NYC was held up by that Iron Fist wall
The wall did nothing except shield the bones from being dug into from above and I guess they didn't want to dig around and under a dome the size of Manhattan.

Also way to take the dragon vein concept literally as fuck. Hack writing was hack.

>>94778649
>It's about her having powers but still being powerless.
And isnt powerlesness a major part of why rape is horrible? To me it feels like the major undercurrent to the story that just serves to drag the story down.

She also isnt powerless because of her oh so Twiligh-esque speshul resistance.

>>94778399

>the kung fu film industry(...) actually is heavily a part of black culture in the USA historically and there's a lot of cross contamination there.

Black people shamelessly culturally appropriating asian martial arts doesn't somehow make the shitty hip hop songs seem less out of place and annoying.

>>94768240
>DDS2 (Punisher)
>DDS1
>LC
>JJ
>DDS2 (Elektra and the Hand)
>IF

basically perfect rankings just put Defenders last

>>94778649
Her only powerlessness is her lack of resolve and decision-making. She was already free of Kilgrave's influence from before the first episode. She could have just dealt with him then and there.

And yet we're supposed to empathize with her. Why? Because she refused to do what was necessary until it was too late?

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This would unironically be a 10/10 if it had more scenes with Luke and Danny. I got a bit of "older/younger brother" vibe from them. Also I wanted Luke to pound Danny's privileged boipucci.

>>94779121
Oh look. The butt pirate has shit opinions.

>>94779000
>And isnt powerlesness a major part of why rape is horrible
Powerlessness is a major part of why a lot of shit is horrible. But if a character is never presented as powerless, they're going to seem boring as shit (see Superman).

>To me it feels like the major undercurrent to the story that just serves to drag the story down.
It was a (neo-)noir. A major trope of the genre is "main character is a detective with a recent major tragedy in their past that has led them to develop negative personal habits (usually alcoholism) and alter their world view, generally either in the form of death of a loved one, betrayal by the opposite sex, personal injury, or professional mistake or some combination thereof." Jessica suffered the personal injury/professional mistake variants.

The series would have basically had to have been an entirely different genre if she wasn't drowning some sort of sorrows and mad at the world at the start of the series.

To further my point about the tragic backstory involving rape in particular not figuring heavily into the plot, the series stays neo-noir. Rape revenge is another type of genre that IS rape focused and would have been easy to do with this setup by making the rape the centerpiece of the plot, but the series stays far away from that genre.

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>>94779000
>She also isnt powerless because of her oh so Twiligh-esque speshul resistance.
I legitimately believe they should have actually explained that shit but I can chalk it up to her just being exposed long enough to build up an immunity, like iocane.

It'd have pissed me off a lot more if it didn't at least show she resisted him in flashback before she herself even realized she could do it consistently, so there's that.

>>94779051
Can anyone explain to me just what is better about LC and JJ than the non-punisher episodes of DD s2? Seems like every flaw the Elektra episodes have are amplified 10 folds in those other 2 shows.

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>>94746397
Should I finish Iron Fist bros? I stopped on like episode 9 which is really close to the ending, but I can't stand Danny and Colleen. I'm basically in it for Ward and Harry at this point.

>>94779008
>shitty hip hop songs seem less out of place and annoying.
I said there was cross contamination. Hiphop comes up in martial arts films nowadays too. Directors know their audiences. Both black culture and kung fu cinema stole from each other.

It wouldn't be out of place if you watched more kung fu shit. That something is unfamiliar does not mean it's out of place. You might just not know what it's supposed to look like.

i really fucking hope none of the action is still shaky cam bullshit like it was here

also that horrible daredevil suit is making me miss the simpler black bandanna outfit DD had in S1

>>94779115
>She was already free of Kilgrave's influence from before the first episode.
She didn't even fucking realize that until really late in the fucking season.

>And yet we're supposed to empathize with her.
No. No you are not. Noir heroes are not designed to be relate-able any more than Indiana Jones is. Generally they have abnormally terrible backstories, mysanthropic world views, and horrible habits. Fuck's sake Jessica has a mental illness. Why in the world do you think you are supposed to empathize with her? Fucking empathize with Claire.

>>94779206
>I'm basically in it for Ward
Then god damn finish you retard, his best episode is the finale.

>>94779121
As much shit Finn Jones gets for his acting, and lord knows I'm not that big of a fan, I loved his scenes with Mike, another actor who I feel is pretty weak too.

They had good back and forth and I liked the scene where Luke asks him about the molten heart.

>>94779308
I find it impossible to empathize with a bitch so dumb she needs to question the fact that yes, she lives in a superhero setting any time something remotely fantastic occurs.

>>94779199
>It'd have pissed me off a lot more if it didn't at least show she resisted him in flashback before she herself even realized she could do it consistently, so there's that
Yeah, she only figured it out when she did it again as Kilgrave was escaping in what, episode 8 or 9?

>>94779150
> But if a character is never presented as powerless, they're going to seem boring as shit (see Superman).
You talk as if it has to be one way or the other. Invulnerable or powerless. You know that isnt true.

Powerlessness here just continues the shitty theme of rape.

Also Superman doesnt have to be boring. Shit opinion.

And sure she needs an axe to grind. Why does the lady detective's axe to grind gotta be superrape though? Why does it have to be the cliché tragic thing to happen to women?

>>94779411

because you're not the intended viewer, in comic or show.

>>94779357
>I find it impossible to empathize with a bitch so dumb she needs to question the fact that yes, she lives in a superhero setting any time something remotely fantastic occurs.
That applies to everyone in the Netflix series. I have no idea why they did that and it was indeed retarded.

>>94779232
>It wouldn't be out of place if you watched more kung fu shit.

Do they even still make kung fu movies for western audiences? I used to watch that shit a lot and loved it. I also do remember a stretch in the early 00s with movies like Rumble in the Bronx, Rush Hour, Romeo must die etc that did pander to an American/black market. But overall, when I think kung fu cinema, I sure as hell don't think of black culture and hip-hop.

>>94779466
Yeah fair enough. It's not that there's something more to the story that I could be enjoying. I just subjectively dont like it.

Thanks for confirming I guess.

>>94779411
>And sure she needs an axe to grind.
Did you and me watch the same fucking series? Her axe to grind was Hope. She does fucking everything in her power to get away from Kilgrave before considering Hope and even up until the very scene she kills Kilgrave she doesn't actually have a problem with playing along with his twisted shit to get the chance to kill him.

>You talk as if it has to be one way or the other. Invulnerable or powerless.
No I don't. But in order for a series to be noir, the main character needs a tragic backstory. And tragedy requires either powerlessness or incompetence. And noir heroes generally trend towards the hypercompetent, not the incompetent.

>Powerlessness here just continues the shitty theme of rape.
The theme isn't rape. She doesn't shiver and flinch when Luke tries to fuck her. She fucks his brains out.

>>94779308
>No. No you are not.
Sorry but you're full of shit. The protagonist of ANY hero story, no matter if they are anti-heroes instead, is meant to establish an emotional connection with the viewer. Otherwise, there is absolutely no purpose in watching them struggle and overcome obstacles.

That said, Jessica presented zero character attributes to allow her state of mind and situation to connect to the viewer. She was an indecisive, scared little bitch with anger issues and no friends because she pushes away anyone who reaches out to her.

>>94746397
Daredevil S2 > Daredevil S1 > Defenders S1 > Luke Cage S1 > Iron Fist S1 >>> JJ

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>Matt/Daredevil saves Karen's life multiple times
>"Karen I have to go put on the suit to save lives again."
>"wtf what's wrong with you. I just want you to have a normal life :^)"
God I hate characters like this. It's always the fucking females too.

>>94779521
>Do they even still make kung fu movies for western audiences?
Kung Fu movies for eastern audiences pull the same shit. Admittedly you aren't going to hear hip-hop in a wushu film, but triad films will definitely use it.

Why do you think only black people listen to hip-hop? American music dominates the shit out of the global music industry and there are local acts inspired by every genre.

Seriously, Luke Cage was filmed the same year Sleeping Dogs definitive released and most of that soundtrack was local Hong Kong hip-hop.

Will Danny ever get better? He seems like such a fucking scrub.

>>94754655
I felt like it was a homage to Luke Cage's blaxploitation heritage. But it got a bit annoying except Wu Tang during finale.

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>tfw I actually liked Iron Fist S1

>>94779631
>Why do you think only black people listen to hip-hop?

I don't. I know a lot of youth culture all around the world is infested with this gangster hip hop garbage and glorifying American culture in general. That doesn't mean I suddenly think it fits every single theme of movie there is. Especially something like kung fu movies with spiritual themes, which is pretty much the polar opposite of black culture and hip-hop.

>>94779575
One person being a major motivating factor is not what it means to have an axe to grind. Having an axe to grind, especially in this kind of noir story is the kind of tragic background you're talking about informing the character having an a negative attitude. It doesnt have to be rape though. It doesnt have to be the cliché female victim thing.

And if it isnt about rape, what happens if we take out the rape? Is what Kilgrave has her do really even that bad anymore?

>>94779593
>The protagonist of ANY hero story, no matter if they are anti-heroes instead, is meant to establish an emotional connection with the viewer
You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that the protagonist is always the audience surrogate. Stories can be written without the intent for the reader to empathize with the protagonist as long as they understand the protagonist and have someone to empathize with. Literally why sidekicks were invented for heroes. Young readers needed someone to identify with and the protagonist wasn't appropriate.

Claire is the audience surrogate in the Netflixverse. She's in every series and she's completely powerless but still helpful and level headed.

>She was an indecisive, scared little bitch with anger issues and no friends because she pushes away anyone who reaches out to her.
Holy shit, a misanthrope who's doubting themselves! It's almost as if this is a fucking noir series!

>>94753239
>breaking DD into halves
>not breaking Cage into halves

If you're gonna be dumb enough to break shit up, you should at least acknowledge that Luke Cage up until Cottonmouth's death was perfect

>>94779761
Luke Cage at its best was still one of the worst Netflix Marvel shows.

>>94779631
>Why do you think only black people listen to hip-hop?
This is a myth and I'm tired of people believing it. Most of the black kids I work with love country. But I think it's trick marketing to get inner city kids a false sense of culture.

>>94779724
>Especially something like kung fu movies with spiritual themes, which is pretty much the polar opposite of black culture and hip-hop.
Daoism is heavily a part of kung fu spiritual themes and if you're bitching about culture clash in a film with daoist elements, you've already lost the plot.

>That doesn't mean I suddenly think it fits every single theme of movie there is
It's a trope of modern setting kung fu films. This was a kung fu series set in fucking New York starring a rich white boy. There was no fucking way Wu-Tang wasn't going to be involved somehow. [spoler]RZA even directed an episode[/spoiler].

You are bitching about a genre using tropes of that genre appropriately. Please stop. I understand, you don't like hip-hop. Maybe don't watch kung fu shit set in modern day. It fits just fine.

>>94779729
>One person being a major motivating factor is not what it means to have an axe to grind
>have an axe to grind. to have a strong personal opinion about something that you want people to accept and that is the reason why you do something
>and that is the reason why you do something

>Is what Kilgrave has her do really even that bad anymore?
Using her as a personal slave for months culminating in her murdering a random woman on his orders? Yeah.

>>94753442
>I'm literally scared of black people

>>94779778
There's only 4 (now 5) shows. "One of the worst" doesn't really mean anything.

But the first 6 episodes were on par with DD S1, and easily ahead of IF and JJ.

JJ is my waifu

>>94779813
I guess having an axe to grind doesnt mean what I think it meant.

So what I mean to be talking about is the kind of tragic background you're talking about informing the character having an a negative attitude. It doesnt have to be rape though.

It doesnt have to be the cliché female victim thing.

I think that phrase gets down to what bothers me about Jessica Jones. What could be a cool Noir story about a shittalking lady detective becomes a story about another tragic female being victimized.

>>94746397
jj1=lc1=if1=garbage

>>94779651
I liked the Run the Jewels in Ep3.

That duo is Black/White, and Luke coming in right with Danny when it dropped was cool for the hiphop head in me.

Also,
>>94754655
>black people music
>implying all modern music isnt the invention of black people

>>94779929
>It doesnt have to be rape though.
Right. And if he had never raped Jessica most of the series could have played out the same other than a couple scenes with Hope.

If everything about a plot holds together when you remove an element. It's not a major element.

>It doesnt have to be the cliché female (rape) victim thing.
It wasn't. I genuinely want to know if you've seen cliched rape plots before. Other than the PTSD, which again, would be there without the rape, there aren't any rape cliches. Unless you're talking about it being cliched that a woman was raped, in which case...wow, rape's not a cliche in and of itself.

>It doesnt have to be the cliché female victim thing.
Well she is female and noir as a genre literally requires her to be a victim of something at the start of the plot male or female so...would you prefer if she accidentally killed a kid with a super punch while trying to stop a crime? She slept with a man that turned out to be a super villain that was just using her? A D-lister partner she had got herself killed in front of her and she wasn't in time to stop it and she blames herself? I mean she's going to need a drinking problem and a dark backstory for having that problem, period.

I wasn't sure how you meant this so I just gave both responses.

>What could be a cool Noir story about a shittalking lady detective becomes a story about another tragic female being victimized.
>A typical protagonist of noir fiction is dealing with the legal, political or other system that is no less corrupt than the perpetrator by whom the protagonist is either victimized and/or has to victimize others on a daily basis, leading to lose-lose situation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noir_fiction
>Film noir (/fJlm nwɑːr/; French pronunciation: [film nwaʁ]) is a cinematic term used primarily to describe stylish Hollywood crime dramas, particularly such that emphasize cynical attitudes and sexual motivations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_noir

>>94779929
Can you genuinely give an example of a noir heroine you can approve of that fits the description of shittalking lady detective?

So is Jessica season 2 the next series or do we have Punisher first?

>>94780110
I'm not saying the whole plot is cliché. I'm saying this aspect is chiché for women in fiction in general and its shitty because Jessica is so close to not being that and feeling genuine.

And yes. Most of those would be better as long as they dont cash in so much on Jessica being a woman and her abusive relationship with a man. Which she is defined by.

I'm fine with her having something shitty happen in her past that informs her being cynical. This particular something shitty just ruins the character.

>>94780249
Punisher is out in November and we don't have a release date for any of the other shows, so you tell me, anon.

>>94780299
>Which she is defined by.
She's more defined by her shitty relationship with her stepmother than her shitty relationship with Kilgrave. That's why she became a hero in the first place. That's why she couldn't leave Hope alone. That's why she resolved to kill Kilgrave in the end. Killgrave just gave her PTSD and turned her into a miserable bitch. And she's literally required to be a miserable bitch for this to be noir so really you can only complain about the PTSD, which, again, stems more from her being forced to kill than being raped (her being raped didn't snap her out of the mind control, she could only finally resist him after she had killed). She flips the fuck out when she sees a photo of Luke's wife, not when she fucks the shit out of Luke.

>Most of those would be better as long as they dont cash in so much on Jessica being a woman and her abusive relationship with a man.
Okay, so THAT'S your problem. Well here's my problem. First and foremost, the archetypal noir backstory is detective had abusive relationship with someone of the opposite sex. Jessica's a female detective. Shit just worked out that way. Second, a lot of alternative plots they could have gone with would have shifted more blame onto Jessica which would have tainted her further as a potential heroic character. A mind control backstory takes away her guilt to an observer while still creating an excellent reason for her to feel guilty. She didn't make any particular mistake that got someone killed. She just tried to stop a beating and got hard countered by a passing villain. It could have happened to anyone. Other alternate plots generally revolve around the detective actually making a mistake, having a moment of personal weakness, having shitty judgement, etc. Also being forced to kill Kilgrave even after him forcing her to kill sent her into a spiraling depression was a decent character arc.

I loved Daredevil S1 and S2, really enjoyed Jessica Jones, got so god damn bored of Luke Cage past episode 4 and couldn't sit through Iron Fist after seeing the average fight scenes.

Is Defenders even worth watching at this point?

>>94780524
If you want to understand Daredevil S3 or JJ S2, yes.

>>94780478
>She's more defined by her shitty relationship with her stepmother
Has nothing to do with anything that happens in the story. Can be replaced by any "I became a hero because [insert reason]". The Hope thing is clearly her not wanting Kilgrave to happen to someone else, her seeing herself in Hope and trying to find redemption through her.

>First and foremost, the archetypal noir backstory is detective had abusive relationship with someone of the opposite sex
She doesnt have to be defined by it.

>A mind control backstory takes away her guilt to an observer while still creating an excellent reason for her to feel guilty
Sounds like a contrivence in service of making the woman the victim with no agency. Just more of what I dont like about this show.

Some guilt for something she herself was responsible for just sounds more compelling.

>>94780607
>Has nothing to do with anything that happens in the story.
Except her entire relationship with Patsy down to the I live you as she snaps Kilgrave's neck.
>The Hope thing is clearly her not wanting Kilgrave to happen to someone else
Yes, yes it is. And if she wasn't a hero, she'd have just ran, which she almost did. You can not want something to happen to someone else and also not want to be the one to deal with that shit. She was like a few subway stops away from the Avengers.
>her seeing herself in Hope
No
>and trying to find redemption through her.
At no point in the story does she try to find redemption through Hope. Beyond that, at no point does Jessica believe she can be redeemed. She still doesn't during Defenders. She doesn't view herself as a potential hero anymore.

>She doesnt have to be defined by it.
Please just fuck off and watch something noir. Hell watch Roger Rabbit. Valiant's toon problem all stems from the death of his brother at the hand of a toon. He bitches about toons the entire fucking film.

>Sounds like a contrivence in service of making the woman the victim with no agency.
It is but replace woman with hero. Seriously it seems like literally all your problems stem from Jessica being a woman. If she were a man would you be bitching?

>Some guilt for something she herself was responsible for just sounds more compelling.
That sort of shit works fine for regular characters, but it just tarnishes heroes. Is guilt really a trait you want to associate with a hero? Watch Man of Steel if you want a guilty hero.

Why didn't Danny just call Tony Stark?

>>94780726
You're assuming he knows who Iron Man is. He's been in Kunlun and then hunting the Hand.

It's a massive plot hole that nobody told him to call Stark though. Everyone else was being kind of retarded.

>>94780720
>And if she wasn't a hero
Or just a regular leaning-towards morally upstanding person. Especially one backed up by detective skills and superpowers. But she has the be a vulnerable woman so I guess not.

I meant that she doesnt have to be defined by her abusive relationship with a man. It didnt have to be this shitty tragic backstory.

>If she were a man would you be bitching?
No because a man in this situation would be unconventional and possibly interesting. The character wouldnt be so defined by thier gender. This is my problem with this character.

Tarnished heroes sounds like a noir thing to do. And isnt she tarnished already? Doesnt she feel guilty already? You said so yourself. All we'd be doing is giving her a more compelling reason to feel guitly.