Which hero has the worst rogues gallery of their respective side?

I would give Firestorm's bad guys to green arrow. They may be super unfitting for a guy who can fly and shoot fire but they work good for a more street level guy. Imagine an episode of Arrow where a revamped Slipknot and Ollie are swinging around on rooftops chasing each other. Or Moonbow being a rival archer.

Iron man vs a cyborg gorilla however should be a year long event with several crossovers. Better than what Bendis is doing with him

>>94719126
Superman had a pretty weak rogues gallery for a A lister. There's a huge gap after his top villains like Lex, Mxyzptlk and Bizzaro. Any writer hasn't done anything spectacular with Brainac, Metallo, Doomsday, toyman etc.

Wonder Woman.

Her main rival was fucking Cheetah for years.

>>94721367
Wonder Woman is always billed in the "Trinity" of DC heroes, but I always found the trinity to be somewhat fabricated. It could be because she's a woman, but it's notable that Wonder Woman has a distinct lack of great graphic novels, good and recognizable rogues gallery, movies, etc. They don't feel like equals in that sense, it feels like it's Batman and Superman, and then Wonder Woman

>>94719126
Should I storytime this? I kinda want to.

>>94721467
The Trinity is just the golden age heroes who survived with their own books. They certainly try to force it as important beyond that, but there's no way to fabricate the foundation.

>>94721307
There was literally just an arc in Action comics where 5 of superman's rogues (Zod, Cyborg Superman, Blanque, Eradicator and Mongul) teamed up to fight him. He has a good deck.

Wonder Woman on the other hand...

>>94721528
That's true, very true. I totally agree with you, it's not fabricated in the sense that they were the big 3 DC heroes around from the beginning, but I think DC has had Wondy play second fiddle for too long to just go"OK guys, now she's on par with Batman and Superman"

>>94721467
The issue with the Trinity is that they have the wrong dynamic. Taking everything we know about these characters into account, logically, Superman would be the optimist, Batman the pessimist, and Wonder Woman the mediator. And for whatever fucking reason, that just doesn't happen in practice.

>>94721488
It's a surprisingly sad story despite the cover.

>>94721528
In a way, Flash and Green Lantern are golden age heroes. And Shazam.

>>94721587
It's like what >>94721582 said. They spend too much time building up Superman and Batman together to shove WW into it. Clark and Bruce don't make sense on opposite "sides" like that most of the time.

>>94721467
I always thought the trinity was synonymous with "Truth, Justice and the American way"

Truth: Wondy
Justice: Batman
American Way: Superman

>>94719126
Flash rogues' are overrated.
FF were robbed of their good rogues.

>>94721307
Read some Silver Age Binder/Swan Stuff, guys like Toyman and Prankster are awesome. Even Buisek did a prankster issue that was good.
>>94721488
Please do

Aquaman is struggling for villains. You have Orm and Manta, who are both fantastic. Then nothing. Frustrating because Aquaman has a good supporting cast including best girl.

>>94719126
>For Marvel I'd say Iron man since all his comics depended on cold war era politics and once it ended he couldn't adjust. That's why all his enemies are all generic rich villains and guys with knock off armor.
There are exceptions to this. The first Blizzard was a former employee of Stark's who got caught stealing from him and got revenge using stolen technology. Firebrand started out as an anarchist who wanted to start a fiery revolution. Ghost was an industrial saboteur doing it for the kicks. Spymaster, Madam Masque and Black Widow added a certain Bond element to IM's stories.

The problem is the writer's dropped the ball on these characters and most of them ended devolving into one note villains for Iron Man to defeat.

>>94721563
Was eradicator even a bad guy before that?

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>>94721467
DC has been pushing Barry over Diana in merch.

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>>94721656

>>94721739
>based prankster working supermanetty into a shoot

>>94719126
>For Marvel I'd say Iron man since all his comics depended on cold war era politics and once it ended he couldn't adjust
Casual

>>94721307
Superman has a solid rogues gallary, it's just they're underutilized. Compared to, say, Martian Manhunter or The Defenders, Superman's really well off.

>>94719126
Frank. Frank has one or two guys who keep coming back. Everybody else just dies.

>>94721728
He showed up in the start of Superman Rebirth and was trying to kill Jon for not being a pure blood kryptonian.

He's a robot that was supposed to protect krypton but his programming isn't handling there being no krypton well at all, meaning his actions are fucky.

>>94721728
He was one of the evil supermen that tried to replace Superman when he was thought dead

>>94721739
Prankster isn't restored as one of superman villians. The rest like maxima and imperiax and toy man are.

>>94721604
Shazam yes. GL and Flash didn't exist in their familiar forms until the Golden Age.

>>94721739
Are you trying to shit on Prankster here because this shit is awesome. Real Deal Neal brought it with that cover

>>94721846
Fuck, I meant Silver Age.

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>>94719126
>>94721656
>Please do
Say no more!

>>94721367
I remember back in the 2000s when they were pushing Circe as Wondy's rival. Waste of good material right there.

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>>94721906
>the African jungles
>with paved roads and bars

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>>94721990
Before they gave it back to blacks who ruined Africa.

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>>94722029
The end!

>>94721604
The Golden Age Green Lantern and the Flash are completely different characters from the more modern versions.
And Shazam wasn't even a DC character during the Golden Age.

>>94721367
Wonder Woman has a pretty good set of villains they just need to be pushed better. The movie made Doctor Poison more relevant to it's universe than MCU did for Mandarin. Im sure with the right tone and plotting, instead of just redoing her origin over and over again, you could make a WW Revenge Squad arc like Superman just had. Minister Blizzard- The Prime Minister of Iceberg Land!- is on need of an edgy reboot by now.

>>94721656
Silver age Superman was more fun in general, but attempts at toyman's and Prankster's modern day revivals, like a lot of his other villains, have been meh. Especially toyman. I've hated all modern day toyman versions for some reason.

>>94721563
They just made up the numbers. His rogues gallery is not any better than WW's.

>>94722182
>Superman revenge squad was 4 years ago
Christ

>>94721964
>yea just go find some Kryptonite Jimmy
>Weird Kryptonite society is steps away
I fucking love this shit

Who are the "main" Superman villains, and what are their hooks? Who are not "main" Superman villains but have potential to be used more?

Asking in interest as a budding Super-fan.

>>94721904
She's getting a bit of attention right now in Trinity. Which is great, because Circe is the best Wonder Rogue.

>>94722182
This. The Wonder Rogues are perfectly fine, it's just that almost nobody uses them outside of the main book. Yeah, Secret Six had some show up, but it was Gail Simone's book, so that was gonna happen anyway.

Also, Minister Blizzard seems perfect for a political thriller.

>>94721604
casual pls, the only actual arguments are Aquaman and Green Arrow

>>94722037
thanks anon

>>94722037
Well that was fucked up.

>>94722419
You're welcome!

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>>94722037
>For the first time we've seen just how YOU would die, Superman
that's some deep lore you got there DC

>>94722359
Main
>Luthor
I'm sure you know him, but he hates superman with a passion just for being super, is an evil supergenius and inventor, super rich as well. Bald arrogant asshole with the biggest hateboner of all time
>Myxlplyx
5th dimensional imp who can warp reality to his whim. Likes to fuck with superman, can be funny or threatening, his stories make great use of the medium
>Bizarro
You probably also know this one, Superman from the Bizarro world, where everything is opposite(ish) and the people are weird as fuck. Wants to prove he's better than Supes
>Brainiac
Evil android/AI who puts great cities in bottles and then destroys the worlds they're from. His origin has changed a bunch so sometimes he's related to Krypton as well. He has a cool design and is one of the original "evil AI" characters so he has all the appeal of that.

Minor
>Metallo
A man in a robot body, his appeal is that we get to see Supes punch the shit out of a robot badguy. Sometimes a tragic backstory
>Toyman
Makes toy related weapons/monsters/bombs etc. Sometimes is a creepy infantile guy
>Prankster
Eponymous. Pranks people and Superman.
>Parasite
Also eponymous, he sucks power from things and people, such as superman. Dangerous brute
There's more, I just don't feel like writing them

>>94722270
Well... more like 4 weeks ago, but ok

One of the things I hated about Mike Grell's Green Arrow run from the 90's was the lack of memorable antagonists. Its one of my favorite series but because of its realistic tone, the book deals with real issues instead of comic book ones. Ollie is constantly fighting gang leaders and businessmen. some stories have no real antagonists at all. Longbow Hunters is one of GA's most important stories and the main villain is some old guy who sits at his desk the whole book. Shado ends up killing him anyways. Even the current stuff by Percy is just Ollie going after evil bankers who's only comic book element is that they have an evil layer and wear masks. And dump their members in oil for some reason to make them burned. Its the reason why Arrow is basically just Batman-lite. He has to borrow other heroes villains to make him have something to do.

>>94722270
wut

>>94723320
>>94723796
I'm thinking of Morrison's story. Haven't been keeping up with rebirth supes

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>>94723534
>Season 1- Merlyn (GA)
>Season 2- Slade (DC general though has a connection to GA)
>Season 3- Ra's al Ghul (Batman)
>Season 4- Damien Darkh (Teen Titans)
>Season 5- Prometheus (Batman, though there is a important GA connection)
>Season 6- Richard Dragon 2 (GA)

Alright people listen up!! Green Arrow needs a fuckin Rogues Gallery on the pronto! I need some non Batman related baddies that are reasonable (Looking at you Damien) villains for Green Arrow to fight. Mostly street level though they need enough gimmicks to pose as a threat for a master archer! Maybe they'll work together, maybe they'll form a posse or maybe they work solo- You Decide! Plunder the deep dark web and look for as many obscure baddies as you can find, any DC wiki or Fan site you can find that has silly or underutilized villains that are due for a reinvention and ready to attack the Emerald Archer at a moments notice!

>Slipknot, Weasel and Moonbow as previously mentioned
>An older villain named Spider who was designed as a replacement for Ollie when he left the 7 Soldiers, who was later revealed to be pretending to be good but was actually bad. Give him a cool costume and make him a darker, Dark Archer (See pic)
>Executrix (an obscure GA villain you can essentially call in as a hit man who can be reinvented to be like Bad Girl from No More Heroes
>Cyber Woman
>Scragg the Super Sniper (Basically make him The End from MGS3)

Who else people!? We can make this a big story!