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It's kind of an old controversy, but what do you think of

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It's kind of an old controversy, but what do you think of The Comics Journal's Top 100 Comics of the 20th Century List.

>In its 210th issue in 2000, eight of the Journal's contributors chose a list of what they considered to be the Top 100 Comics of the 20th Century. The list was much-criticized on a number of fronts, from the small number of jurors, to its decision to exclude non-English-speaking work, to a certain self-promoting bias (its own Hernandez Bros. filled 5 of the top 31 slots), to what others cited as egregious omissions (notably MAD Magazine and Cerebus). Despite its real or perceived flaws, however, the list stands as a statement of the Journal's critical attitudes and preferences.

1. Krazy Kat by George Herriman

2. Peanuts by Charles Schulz

3. Pogo by Walt Kelly

4. Maus by Art Spiegelman

5. Little Nemo in Slumberland by Winsor McCay

6. Feiffer by Jules Feiffer

7. Donald Duck by Carl Barks

8. Mad by Harvey Kurtzman & various

9. Binky Brown Meets the Holy Virgin Mary by Justin Green

10. The Weirdo stories of R. Crumb

11. Thimble Theatre by E.C. Segar

12. EC's "New Trend" war comics by Harvey Kurtzman & various

13. Wigwam Bam by Jaime Hernandez

14. Blood of Palomar by Gilbert Hernandez

15. The Spirit by Will Eisner

16. RAW, edited by Art Spiegelman & Francoise Mouly

17. The ACME Novelty Library by Chris Ware

18. Polly & Her Pals by Cliff Sterret

19. The sketchbooks of R. Crumb

20. Uncle Scrooge by Carl Barks

21. The New Yorker cartoons of Peter Arno

22. The Death of Speedy Ortíz by Jaime Hernandez

23. Terry and the Pirates by Milton Caniff

24. Flies on the Ceiling by Jaime Hernandez

25. Wash Tubbs by Roy Crane
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26. The Jungle Book by Harvey Kurtzman

27. Palestine by Joe Sacco

28. The "Mishkin" saga by Kim Deitch

29. Gasoline Alley by Frank King

30. Fantastic Four by Jack Kirby & Stan Lee

31. Poison River by Gilbert Hernandez

32. Plastic Man by Jack Cole

33. Dick Tracy by Chester Gould

34. The theatrical caricatures of Al Hirschfeld

35. The Amazing Spider-Man by Steve Ditko & Stan Lee

36. Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson

37. Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau

38. The autobiographical comics from Yummy Fur by Chester Brown

39. The editorial cartoons of Pat Oliphant

40. The Kinder-Kids by Lyonel Feininger

41. From Hell by Alan Moore & Eddie Campbell

42. Ghost World by Daniel Clowes

43. Amphigorey by Edward Gorey

44. Idiots Abroad by Gilbert Shelton & Paul Mavrides

45. Paul Auster's City of Glass by Paul Karasik & David Mazzacchelli

46. Cages by Dave McKean

47. The "Buddy Bradley" saga by Peter Bagge

48. The cartoons of James Thurber

49. Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud

50. Tantrum by Jules Feiffer
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51. The "Alec" stories of Eddie Campbell

52. It's a Good Life if You Don't Weaken by Seth

53. The editorial cartoons of Herblock

54. EC's "New Trend" horror comics by Al Feldstein & various

55. The "Frank" stories by Jim Woodring

56. Julius Knipl, Real Estate Photographer by Ben Katchor

57. A Contract with God by Will Eisner

58. The New Yorker cartoons of Charles Addams

59. Little Lulu by John Stanley

60. Alley Oop by V.T. Hamlin

61. American Splendor #1-10 by Harvey Pekar with various

62. Little Orphan Annie by Harold Gray

63. Hey Look! by Harvey Kurtzman

64. Goodman Beaver by Harvey Kurtzman & Bill Elder

65. Bringing Up Father by George McManus

66. Zippy the Pinhead by Bill Griffith

67. The Passport by Saul Steinberg

68. Barnaby by Crockett Johnson

69. God's Man by Lynd Ward

70. Jimbo by Gary Panter

71. The Book of Jim by Jim Woodring

72. The short stories in Rubber Blanket by David Mazzucchelli

73. The Cartoon History of the Universe by Larry Gonick

74. Ernie Pook's Comeek by Lynda Barry

75. Black Hole by Charles Burns
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76. "Master Race" by Bernie Krigstein & Al Feldstein

77. Li'l Abner by Al Capp

78. Sugar and Spike by Sheldon Mayer

79. Captain Marvel by C.C. Beck

80. Zap by Crumb & various

81. The "Lily" stories by Debbie Drechsler

82. Caricature by Daniel Clowes

83. V for Vendetta by Alan Moore & David Lloyd

84. Why I Hate Saturn by Kyle Baker

85. The "Willie and Joe" cartoons of Bill Mauldin

86. Stuck Rubber Baby by Howard Cruse

87. The New Yorker cartoons of George Price

88. Jack Kirby's "Fourth World" comics

89. The autobiographical comics of Spain Rodriguez

90. Mr. Punch by Neil Gaiman & Dave McKean

91. Watchmen by Alan Moore & Dave Gibbons

92. "Pictopia" by Alan Moore & Don Simpson

93. Dennis the Menace by Hank Ketcham

94. Humor Comics of Basil Wolverton

95. Los Tejanos by Jack Jackson

96. Dirty Plotte by Julie Doucet

97. The Hannah Story by Carol Tyler

98. Barney Google by Billy De Beck

99. The Bungle Family by George Tuthill

100. Prince Valiant by Hal Foster
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>>94559488
Obviously there's some bias. But a lot of stuff on there is worth looking into even from just a historical standpoint, like Little Nemo or the Harvey Kurtzman stuff or Barks' Duck stuff, and so on.
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>>94559488
>decision to exclude non-English-speaking work
I have no words.
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>>94559488
I read some Krazy Kat and I genually don't get it.
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>>94559488
IIRC someone at TCJ said they omitted Miracleman because the the art inconsistency in the middle hindered it.
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>>94559488
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At the time it was damn solid nowadays I feel there'd be a lot more comics by female creators and international creators.
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I think "Top #" lists are trash 100% of the time because there's ALWAYS going to be major omissions.
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>>94559488
If you're familiar with tcj and the constraints they assembled this list with then it's a really excellent list. Probably has more value than any other toplist.
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>>94560634
you had four.
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>>94559488
List is honestly pretty great as a purely English language list. Cerebus is the most glaring omission but not surprising considering the feud between sim and TCJ
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TCJ's "Older capes are inherently better than newer ones" mentality is a fucking joke, I love Beck's Captain Marvel comics but I really don't think the people who made the list could tell me with a straight face it's better than Watchmen
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>>94565202
The whole thing comes off a little cringey due to the Cerebus omission. So transparently immature.
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>>94566186
washmens ghey
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>>94565202
>>94566770
Yeah it's also weird that Love and Rockets takes up so many spots. It's fine if they want to have one slot of Jaime and one for Gilbert, but breaking it up into story arcs is just a waste of space.
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which century?
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>>94571032
The 20th, so any comic before the year 2000
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