Enjoyed the style of the first issue, but feeling like I missed

>>94548055
Kirby.

>>94548081
pfffft

It was light on content. Mostly about the feelings. You probably got the important stuff. I guess Godfrey was the deepest cut, but mainly what you're missing is just the knowledge to speculate. It's supposed to be somewhat unclear on the specifics though.

Anyway Kirby is old but still quite readable.

>>94548055
I would read his original run. It's pretty short.

>>94548055

Seven Soldiers. Scott is stuck in the Omega Sanction and Darkseid is at his dickiest in that comic. You know the page I'm talking about.

>>94548140
That wasn't Scott, that was Shilo

>>94548177

Aw shit.

Where's the storytime?

>>94549057
This. I just checked the archive, why wasn't there a story time

>>94549109
Yeah, just read it and want to see if /co/ sperged out at King's antics again.

>>94548055
Recently finished both Kirby's New Gods and Mister Miracle, also interest in more recent comics.

Hope I did this right
Story time here
>>94528492

>>94549109
There was one.

It was a shitposting fest.

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Reposting for the night crowd.

>>94549928
Sue me, but Gerads draws some handsome, mature Scott here. And a sexy on in the variant. I dig him.

>>94549947
Funny.
The tape is stamped in his eyes / upper face in each picture.

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Feel free to speculate.

>>94549947
>>94550053
What is the significance of the tape covering Child Scott and Oberon's eyes?
>>94550007
Why is Barda's eye color inconsistent? Moreso, how much of the story is in Scott's head?
>>94549928
How did Scott get to this story in the aftermath of his separation with Barda post-Darkseid War?
>>94550073
What is the true significance of the slow consumption of page space by Darkseid's presense? Is it a voice in the back of his head beckoning him to submit? Is it the slow altering of Scott's reality?
>>94550033
Did Mister Miracle truly escape death?
And was it him who set the trap in the first place?

>>94550033
>>94550027
>>94550022
I love that show.

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https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status/895472522023587840

Oh yeah, and a preview of #2.

>>94550156
There are also some preview pages out there. But they don't tell a lot.

Is Scott already trapped by the Anti-Life? Is killing himself his attempt at escaping the Anti-Life's grasp?

>>94550145
I was thinking that King is, maybe, working towards the same idea of that superman story of Moore, but giving it a different take.

Maybe, for whatever reason, Scott is trapped in a twisted version of his daily life, war and heroics included. And, as something is corrupting him and his mental VR (the antilife equation, that nth methal stuff they are pushing, something else new), he's trying to unvonciously make sense of it, like when you create reasons and scouses in a dream or a nightmare for the story to make sense. But because he knows something is wrong deep down, and because he's rational and thoughtful, and a curious person, he's noticing that definitely something is wrong and eventually he will break free out of this ilusion.

That's my take.

>>94549909

You couldn't just post a link to the other thread?

>>94548055
So his power is being an escape artist right? Like how does that work? Does he let himself get captured and then confound the villain by escaping?

>>94550718
No, his powers are super strength, speed, reflexes, and stamina. He also has rapid recovery and crazy durability. However, he is a master of escaspology. I don't know if he still has the Alpha Effect.

>>94550047
Yeah, I've started to really dig Gerads' art lately

Is this monthly?

>>94549057
>>94549109
>>94549138
Storytime guy started the thread without mentioning the issue in the subject line. Here it is tho
>>94528492

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>>94550156
fuck. this.

>>94550086
Not sure how I felt about the idea of King's style of dark storytelling for Mister Miracle, but I actually thought this was really good.

>>94550221
anti-life or omega sanction, yeah probably

>>94548081
That dude from Super Smash Bros.?

I'm joking don't kill me. I know it's the 100th year of the King.

>>94550303
Don't bitch about a relevant storytime.

Norrin does great things.

>>94554745
>spoilering images in the storytime
For what purpose?

>>94554758
Jesus fucking christ how new are you?

That's not even a question worth answering, lurk more. Or gain common sense. Or stop visiting on a phone.

>>94554836
What's the point of doing it? Post the fucking images.

>>94554852
>post the fucking images
what did the phoneposter mean by this?

>>94554908
>phoneposting

Where are you getting this?
I'm just on my desktop and it's purely superfluous to spoiler images in a storytime.

>>94554929
The images are there, it isn't superfluous. It mimics the suspense of turning the fucking page you faggot fuck.

If you weren't a newfag you would know this. Have you ever even touched a fucking floppy in your life?

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>>94550145
>Is it the slow altering of Scott's reality?
I don't think that the comic provided any hints towards this theory.

I see Gerards is back on Punisher again, very nice.

Can someone do a Kirby's fourth world/New Gods/Mister Miracle storytime? I'm bored at work.

So is King pulling an Inception-style twist here, where Scott needs to die in the dream in order to really wake up?

It's a real shame that Kirby wasn't able to get the Gaiman treatment and that his Fourth World concepts and ideas are forced to be regurgitated forever and ever.

>>94550273
Moore's Superman nothing, both Morrison and Kirby himself have already pulled that shit off with Mister Miracle. In some ways the escape from you own mind is one of the most natural Mister Miracle stories you can tell, the other being escape from your own mind.

Why did it have a Mature Readers rating? NOTHING happened that couldn't fit a pg13 book

>>94549928
Why is Scott so cute?

>>94555488
Attempted suicide is pg?

>>94555488
Probably due to the fairly graphic attempted suicide.

(well, graphic as the DC goes, anyways)

>>94555488
Yeah I think it's just that this >>94549940 is probably too much blood for T given the context. Supervillain killing someone is different from self-harm.

>>94555122
>Can someone do a Kirby's fourth world/New Gods/Mister Miracle storytime? I'm bored at work.

It's in the Archives

>>94555172
At least we have the Omnibuses

>>94552137
Yes.

>>94548055
King needs therapy

>>94555172
Nah, just don't read that stuff. It'll be long forgotten when people are still reading Kirby.

>>94555488
Ratings are meme and for advertising. They want people to know it is mature.

>>94555078
Well, it happens each time something makes the plot progress, more or less.
I read them as pauses, maybe as the pauses an old tapes makes when it's not in good condition. Gives an uneasy and unreal feel to the story. And a broken rhythm.

>>94556391
Writing comics is his therapy.

>>94554962
>being this autistic about a pirated funnybook
LMAOing at your life nigga.

>>94553125
holy shit, where is this from?

>>94556553
Cover for #2

>>94556564
Very good.

>>94555328
I may be wrong, but Moore's "For the man that has everything" was published way before Morrison's Seven Soldiers. And I see King taking that premise as a starting point, given that he's a fan of Moor and not Morrison.

Of course, he would also take ideas on Kirby's work. Seems reasonable, being his character and his centenary and the master.

I know it's not the most new story tool ever, is old as fuck and has been used a lot as a tool for building stories. I don't see anything wrong with it, if it serves his purpose of telling a story about something else well (being that a story about how the world is falling into madness or whatever).

>>94553125
I really like that his eyes are covered here, it's a 2 way barrier. Subtle and effective, great job by Gerards.

>>94555488
Besides the suicide stuff, it's probably be written for mature readers. Not every mature reading implies violence or sex, or bad language.

>>94556599
Scott Free as Messiah is definitely a Morrison idea, and it's something Morrison has mentioned with regards to Mister Miracle outside of Shilo Norman.

>>94556646
Well, I can see that. Yep.
But hey, it's not hard to think of him like that, given his context and background, in King's defence.
At least, not for me, being a (culturally) catholic.

>>94556606
It's a nice cover that makes something with the character and probably is related to the issue.

He's smiling in the cameras as Mr Miracle, bur he's not smiling as himself.
That Batman t-shirt. Batfags, man.

>>94556735
The camera or how those people are, they only see Mr. Miracle and not Scott Free.

>>94556832
This series is so fucking deep

>>94556846
It's not deep, but is symbolic, and makes for a nice cover, definitely.

>>94556846
Nigga, stop shitposting unless you are at the very least reading Alternative Comics.

>>94556684
Nothing about his context and background really plays to it. In fact, that's where it breaks down.
But I agree that the base conceit is where I can see someone thinking there's parallels.

>>94556646
It's a pretty natural idea though. Like considering what a central place Mister Miracle thematically has in the Fourth World concept, it's actually pretty surprising how removed he was from the center stage in Kirby's writing.

>>94557174
Well, he was the impetus for the breaking of the Pact. Used as a loophole to allow Darkseid to start the conflict again.

While Orion was always meant to be the main focus, you're right that he was never given more to do with the other figures in the mythos. His series did flesh out concepts like The Soldier Boys and the Furies and the Lowlies though.

>>94557030
I dunno, anon.
He's the son of the god of good.
He's raised as some "normal" guy (for New Gods standards, anyway)
He grows up under tyranny (Romans who were controlling Herodes reign)
He late becomes a figure for freedom from slavery for the people of Apocolips.
He makes Barda turn for the good side.

I probably are forgetting some points, but there is that.

>>94557236
I'm not complaining, guys.
Being not too deep into the big scheme made him appear in JLI and that's cool. Besides, not giving him a too big gravitas makes him sort of relatable and it's part of his charisma, I guess.

>Darkseid is

Is what?

>>94557320
Oh, I wasn't trying to say you were complaining.
In fact I was agreeing with you.
Given that he's one of the two prodigal sons....it's honestly a shame that the brunt of the central figures only appear in Miracle's final issue.

But he could get stuff done.

>>94557278
Yeah, while I think that there is some central problems with how King uses the idea in #1, it's not an outrageous leap to make.

>>94557342
He was, is and will be. And he's the answer to every question in life. He doesn't do, he is.

>>94557236
Yeah, it's funny how the Mister Miracle series was best when it focused on worldbuilding and really anything other than Mister Miracle.

Kirby was great at working characters and themes, but he was pretty shit at plotting Scott's escape arts.

>>94557342
Casual

>>94550086
I like that King threw this sequence in at the end.

It cuts down Barda's earlier rant(and what King said in the interview) against Orion. For all her bluster, all she can do is exactly what Orion did to try and snap Scott out of his funk.

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>>94557396
The Young Scott Free issues were pretty great.
I think, like Forever People...Kirby was really pushing New Gods as the main keystone of the saga, so there wasn't much for the others to do but go on random adventures after a while.

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>>94557342

>>94548055
Not sure if anyone mentioned but on Comixology, DC is having a sale for Jack Kirby's books. You could pick up New Gods and Mister Miracle since I'm trying to do that for now until the omni comes or wait on the Omni that comes out in December. Your choice.

>>94557500
Digital vs physical aside, omnibus is probably better value once you factor in the Amazon/IST discount price. Only reason not to do it would be if you don't like the size.

>>94557540
I heard the Omni wasn't going to include Mister Miracle, but the solicits said otherwise.

>>94557540
Even on Amazon the pre-order has gone down 30-40 bucks of its originally listed price.

>>94557646
It will. People were just speculating because they're also issuing a Mister Miracle trade, but that's likely for inter-title synergy with this.

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>>94557444

>>94550145
>What is the significance of the tape covering Child Scott and Oberon's eyes?
sort of reminds me of that artist trick. where you mess up something on a storyboard or sketchbook while working with ink, and you use a bit of masking tape or a post it to clear the space and draw over it again.

It could be masking tape. Something that changes the messed up nature of things underneath. either a repair against darkseid's anti life equation, or the anti life equation at work.

>>94557540
(Same guy you replied to) After reading the first issue of Mister Miracle from Tom King on here last night, I definitely plan to get the omni though I worry at times since I don't have the best bookshelf at the moment. I just only bought the first issue of New Gods and Mister Miracle runs from 1971 not just to learn a bit about them but to see if I'll like to continue reading them.

>>94550273
Maybe he's not escaped and he's in hell? In this bit >>94550033 it opens up the possibility that he didn't escape death, that this is Scott talking to himself, trying to get himself to escape.

>>94550077
I don't have a problem with King's idea that "Scott is God's son", let the guy tell his stories and work his themes but Barda's dialogue is word for word how he described Scott in an interview and that annoys the fuck out of me.

There's a lot of stuff that works for me in this issue and there's a lot that doesn't.

>>94559014
I dunno, I liked what he had to say about Scott and Highfather's dynamic and what that might entail - but "The Son of God" is such declarative wording.

As someone said above, it's true that he's the son of the main God of Good here...but not "The Son" of anything. It only works on the level of what it means to us and how we tie it to Jesus and etc.

>>94558830
But... When the New Gods die, don't the return to the Source and then respawn sooner or later?

>>94559014
Well, he actually wrote the issue way before the interview, so he was paraphrasing himself in the interview.

I don't see a problem with it: it's a common practice in media.

>>94559082
Yeah, I don't like it either but I'm not totally against it. Having Barda say that bothers me more.

>>94559168
Yeah, it seems like if that was said by anyone it should have been said by someone like Oberon, or even Bug. A third party not part of the Pantheon.

>>94559181
Ironically, I see Batman saying that.
I feel stupid.

>>94559166
Your thoughts on a character don't need to be repeated by a different character in a story. It's the same as having a character spell out the themes for the reader. Also, it's not so bad for King to call Scott "the son of God" but Barda calling him "the son of God" is retarded due to context.

>>94559210
An easy fix would have been just to add an extra "o" or something. It still would have been blunt, but not as blunt if it was "The Son of Good".

But they're all Gods and Highfather isn't really a deity to them, and well like >>94559233 said, it's all about the context.

>>94559233
>Your thoughts on a character don't need to be repeated by a different character in a story.
I don't get your point. What different character? There is only one of them telling it.

>It's the same as having a character spell out the themes for the reader.
Which is alright, because most people doesn't read or hear interviews. The writer has to tell his themes somehow.

>Also, it's not so bad for King to call Scott "the son of God" but Barda calling him "the son of God" is retarded due to context.
That's true, I agree with you on that point.

>>94559262
Yeah, I see your point on that, anons. I agree.

>>94559315
>most people doesn't
don't. I mean "don't".

So is Darkseid War still canon? Or is this canon? Because I could've sworn Darkseid died at the end of that. And now he's alive and Highfather is dead??
I'm just curious how this fits into continuity is all

>>94559385
It's meant to be a sorta Rebirth thing with them.
King says this is canon and will have lasting effects going forward.

>>94559385
Darkseid War is canon. Has been referred lately, and as >>94559410 has said, King's sais this run is also in canon and its resolution will have effect into the current continuity.

And isn't Darkseid alive, but as a kid now?

>>94559315
>Yeah, I see your point on that, anons. I agree.
What? Then you agree with my first point too.

> because most people doesn't read or hear interviews.
Irrelevant, the writer doesn't have to spell out the themes and subtleties of his work for you on page.

>>94559467
Yeah, he's Baby Darkseid.

It's honestly incongruous on many levels, but that's the fun with the New Gods. As mythological figures...stories with them are even more so.

>>94558830
>It's says "god" on the desk

BRAVO KING

>>94549969
>>94549979
>Barda will never be so concerned for well being
>Barda will never rest in your lap

I'm always jealous of Scott

>>94559583
GodFREY, anon

>>94559487
I still don't see how you connect those two points, honestly.
Why having Barda, one character in the comic, has anything to do with King himself telling his view on Orion or Scott in an interview? How that implies that is a bad idea to make any of your characters say your own thoughts?

Sure, she wasn't the most qualified to say that Scott's God's son, but that's one thing, and implying that she shouldn't be the authors voice ever is another.

I'm not following your logic, sorry.

>>94559487
>Irrelevant, the writer doesn't have to spell out the themes and subtleties of his work for you on page.

That's your opinion.

>>94559661
>>94559711
Not that anon but I see the problem as it takes away the personality from the dialogue.

>>94559744
Fair point.

>>94556527
>newfag autistically asks why the spoilers, shits on Norrin
>anon says that's a dumb question
>newfag says why though
>anon finally says why, though aggressively
>newfag calls the anon who answered him autistic

Masterful.

>>94560234
>post is hours later
>assumes it's the same anon

>>94559583
>Being this new
Kill yourself