>What shouldn't I escape from? Scott Free is a scion

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And here we go...

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Brad Meltzer seal of quality

>>94528492
You reading alongside Dave?
I am hoping the Orion stuff is ironed out early on

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>>94528507
Already read it.
Hope it works for you.

>>94528497
>posting pictures in a storytime
Please leave Dave.

>>94528506
Okay I know King has said this is about overcoming and escaping death/life and I'm sure he's going somewhere with it since this 12 issues

BUT JESUS CHRIST KING

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>>94528545
This is my storytime

>>94528525
Already triggered. It's Darkseid Is not Darkseid is.

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This scene was alright in previews since, well...I can see Barda thinking that.
But wew, King thinks it too.

>>94528544
That didn't take long

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>Godfrey

Neat?

>>94528557
And Shilo already did the whole escape Death trick, without the angst.

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>>94528606
Definitely.

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I liked King's thoughts on Scott's own duality when he brought that up in interviews.
It's fertile ground.

But it and much else is overserviced here.

>>94528558
Sorry, no exceptions. Not even for you.

I pulled an all-nighter waiting to storytime.

Good morning, Dave.

Remember to spoiler tag the penultimate page.

>>94528607
The more you say 'Darkseid Is' the less it means. Its impact can be incredibly powerful in the right context, but here it has no weight because its on every page.

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>>94528648
This.
It's getting annoying.

>>94528622
I mean, I like a lot of the things he's trying in terms of themes but just... ugh. Should've picked the Atomic Knights. Also his dialogue is getting on my nerves. Particularly the last panel here >>94528622

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>>94528641
Sorry, but I couldn't.
Not my style.

And hey, you scooped me last week when I stayed up for New Gods Special, so we're cool

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And that's it...for now!

See you next month.

>>94528648
i disagree, but that's because i think of it more like a creeping PTSD thought that, as it keeps turning up, will ramp up the fear in Scott. but hey, that's just me

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>>94528676
Sure is great not wearing my glasses, in order to avoid thumbnails spoiling until I read it when my LCS opens in 3 hours.

Support the official release, folks!

>>94528676
>>94528695
What happened to the art here?

>>94528712
Sorry that I risked spoiling it for you then.
Sincere apologies.

>>94528648
Disagree. It's all build up. See here >>94528516
it is DARKSEID that he drew

>>94528614
Alright

>>94528657
>>94528695
So the repetitiveness of Darkseid Is, Barda's eyes changing and becoming more violent, the War and the general feeling of hopelessness and inability to escape makes me think this is Scott in the Omega Sanction. Which Shilo already experienced and escaped. In Seven Soldiers. I really dont think King can do better in 12 issues than Morrison did in one with #4.

>>94528766
Well it's obvious. How else do you explain talk show host Godfrey?

>>94528766
He really can't and I hope it's not him in the Omega Sanction but all the shit that went down in this issue makes me think this is the case.

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>>94528664
>Particularly the last panel here >>94528622
King gonna King, anon.

>>94528648
Gotta make it $3.99 somehow

>>94528573
I mean... I get that this is King's opinion and it's stupid and all but... does he really need to use Barda as a mouthpiece and have her repeat exactly what eh said in the interview? that's hacky as fuck.

>>94528805
He fell into the trap where he feels that it's his signature and always has to do it. Basically, he's fucking himself.

>>94528821
#4 has Orion on the cover so hopefully we get a better idea of Kings Orion then but I was not a fan of that interview

>>94528591
This is a really uninteresting escape. Just fill the tank with blood so the audience cant see you and slip out.

>>94528805
I don't get it. What's wrong with these? And what's the general problem everyone seems to have with King?

>>94528836
>Basically, he's fucking himself.
I guess Editorial will let it slide until they think it effects sales numbers. Same goes for Muh Nine Panel Grid.

And with this issue I am finally sick of Kings use of the 9 panel grid.

I'm hoping once we get to New Genesis the book picks up. Right now it's laying the light story telling on too thick and if I wasn't familiar with the Omega Sanction then it might increase my interest to figure out what's going on.

>>94528966
What if it isn't the Omega Sanction? What if it is the story of how Highfather died from Scott's perspective in current continuity?

>>94528991
>continuityfag

>>94528998
What?

>>94528607
>No one escapes from death.

Is this some kind of joke? Death is the most escaped from thing around.

>>94528909
It's very robotic and personality-less. I know saying it's "bendis tier" is a meme but he's a self proclaimed huge fan of Bendis so not only is it bendis tier, but he's doing it intentionally.
>I would like to stay longer. However. Darkseid
just doesn't' sound like Highfather, it's that type of personality-less dialogue that you can attach to anyone.

>>94528991
Then the book would be using PTSD as a reason for why reality Scott perception of reality is changing and I'm tired of that as well.

Ok, so this is so far just a rehash of Seven Soldiers Mister Miracle, with the whole "escaping death" thing. Which King would have obviously read. Why would he just retread someone else's work?

Maybe that's what Mister Miracle's really trying to escape? The cyclical nature of comicbook storytelling?
And in particular the impact it has on the constant war between New Genesis and Apokolips that Kirby planned to definitively end, and only continues today because of editorial insistence that Darkseid IS always alive.

>>94528506
>Average Tom King protagonist

so is this basically "Tom King read Moon Knight for a year and now wants to do something similar with Mister Miracle."?

I was going to buy this today, happy I checked the ST first. Normally I make the leap on issue ones but Kings batman has been that bad.

>>94529020
He's not even the first Mister Miracle to escape from Death.

>>94528821
i mean... he wrote the issue miles before these recent interviews. absolutely nothing hackey about it. he was saying this in the context of scott and barda's perspective

If it is the Omega Sanction or >>94529030
then I hope to God when he gets out the 9 panel meme ends

>>94529030
>Maybe that's what Mister Miracle's really trying to escape? The cyclical nature of comicbook storytelling?
>And in particular the impact it has on the constant war between New Genesis and Apokolips that Kirby planned to definitively end, and only continues today because of editorial insistence that Darkseid IS always alive.


Seems like there are interesting ways to do that.
None on display here.

>>94529040
>Tom King read Moon Knight
In what fucking way do you get Moon Knight from this?

>>94528648
Read up some of Neil Cohn's work on the linguistics of comics. More or less he defines how comics American that are moment to moment have a narrative rhythm same as language. It basically comes down to how if you put punctuation in the middle of the sentences or at wrong places, it would have cognitive effect on the audience. Same way if you put transition panel or panels that serve as punctuations strategically, you would play with the audience's minds. That's what I believe King is doing here. I'm in a bit of a hurry right now but if I get the time to research it, I'll explain it.

>>94529053
What? Are you retarded or something? What the fuck is wrong with your brain?

I actually like the "Darkseid is." panels, they start out happening every time some action that progresses the story happens, but as the comic progresses they start to happen even when there's nothing really we're seeing that's an active action on the page. I think those times, those panels represent the little details in scott's life changing and scott's sanity getting worse and worse. They also have a good impact on the pace of the comic.

But I do agree that if they're gonna use a shit ton of basically blank pages, they could've at least changed the issue lenght.

>>94529069
I think you explained it well enough.

It just doesn't work when you spam it like this. It comes off a trying too hard.

>>94528536
I wonder if this ties to the game that batman and saturn girl were watching in the Button.

>>94528631
>>94528640

Oberon pretty clearly modeled after Kirby here which is a nice touch.

>>94529030
My memory is fuzzy on Seven Soldiers. How did he escape death in it? Did he avoid death against all odds or did he die and come back to life? I want to say Shilo used time slowdown and black hole stuff to pull some crazy stuff to escape and avoid death and didn't actually die and resurrect.

>>94528545
are you fucking retarded?

>>94529040
>>94529066
Character has issues with his pereception of reality != MK rip-off

God I hate you people

>>94529070
?

jesus, i am starting to guess comic readers are just THAT dumb

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>>94529099

>>94529104
Nigger I'm just as confused as you are by this retardation don't lump me in with him

>>94528506
That's an old style intro.

>>94529084
That was hockey. TDs and interceptions are footballs.

>>94529128
Isn't it Ironic?

>>94529104
tom king threads are officially cursed with absurd dumbness, there is no escape anymore

>>94529083
No, it works fine and I don't see how it's "try hard". The dialogue, overly depressing tone, possibility of Seven Soldiers plot rip off and poor management of panels/pages which leads to some annoying pacing(despite the fact that there is enough that happened, or better put, told to us that has happened, in the issue)

>>94529099
I can't remember exactly how it happened, but he was 100% dead. The final panel is his hand reaching from his grave after his funeral.

>>94529143
Spamming Darkseid Is for about a quarter of an already slim issue is ridiculous.

>>94529104
So you do see where I was coming from? You just don't agree.

>>94529110
Not that anon, tard, but either he's the mouthpiece or barda is.

TK didn't just forget what he'd said. I think it's pretty cringe to almost word for word say the same shit your comic is going to.

>>94529110
Are you fucking retarded? Do you think he changed his mind on the character or something? Are you a moron? The dumbest person on /co/ at this every moment? What? Barda almost word for word says the exact same thing King said about Orion when the interviewer asked him to describe the character.
>inb4 hur durr I was just pretending to be retarded
No you weren't. Retard faggot.

>>94529099
In Seven Soldiers #1 he allowed himself to be killed outright in exchange for the realese of Aurakles/Oracle, the First Superhero. Fufilling the demand one of the Seven must die and severing the Shide's link to Darkseid. The final page him bursting from his grave >>94529124. The black hole escape is in his own mini, signifing his escape from the Omega Sanction.

>>94528525
I am a little unclear. Is that Barda in panel 6?

>>94528492
IS IT GOOD???
can't read at work

>>94529158
No and it's been said why. If you want to be deliberately obtuse just to sound like a try hard then go ahead.

>>94529201
yes

>>94529205
Just because it's meant to be punctuation doesn't immediately make it work. Spamming it again and again just makes it tiresome and boring.

>>94529183
Ok. I got you. I was merging the two into one in my memory. The black hole time dialation was him getting out of the Omega Sanction. In the other plot he died and came back to life. How did he come back to life then?

>>94529101
I suspect it was a jab at the people who cry that.

>>94529143
>it doesn't work
>It works fine

you realize you aren't changing each others minds. Some people think King can do no wrong so when others try to criticize him sometimes they get reamed.

One of you liked the technique. The other didn't.

it wasn't fine and it wasn't shit.

>>94529158
eh to be fair it's not like we missed out on anything, in any other comic the other panels would just be larger to take up the space of Darkseid Is.

However this just makes it seem like Darkseid Is is being used to fill the nine-panel grid.

>>94529213
>saying "spamming" over and over again doesn't prove your point, buddy. The fact that you do is quite ironic.

>>94529213
>Spamming it again and again just makes it tiresome and boring.
No it doesn't.

>>94529202
If you like King, you'll be interested at least. If you don't like King you won't like it.

>>94529216
Fused with his Motherboxx, which had provided the necessary information to perform his escapes beforehand.

>>94529083
Well I just explained it in layman's terms. It's also serving as a beat that's building up like crescendo which Cohn also talks about with the repetition of visual and verbal signs. It's a bit like in music theory where a beat that's off earlier gradually increases the intensity and stay and builds up to a finale.

>>94529216
>How did he come back to life then?
Because he's fucking Mister Miracle

>>94529217
No he was serious, he just didn't realize it was a page.

And nobody should be poking fun at that rule. Pictures come after the Story is over. anons deserve a permaban for breaking that rule after they've been warned.

>>94529265
Wait, who is fucking Mister Miracle?

>>94529277
Big Barda.

>>94529219
Why are you just taking one reply out of context and reinterpreting it? There's a lot of things wrong with this issue and I've mentioned that. But the "Darkseid Is" panels are fine because it's that creeping PTSD. The looming thread of Darksied as we're getting closer and closer to him appearing on page. It enhances the storytellign and it's not something others are doing right now so it works fine.

>>94528665
The Heart

>>94529231
I'm saying spamming one a reply.
While here you have an instance of Darkseid Is 8 times in two pages.

That's 8 times out of 18 panels. But it's meant to be foreboding so the fact that it isn't is forgiven

>>94529280
Who's fucking and who's being fucked though?

>>94529143
I think you should refrain from injecting the tone of objectivity in your argument unless you can go ahead and actually prove what you are saying? Would be better for the overall conversation.

>>94529262
>It's a bit like in music theory where a beat that's off earlier gradually increases the intensity and stay and builds up to a finale.

which isn't universally "good" and doesn't universally "work".

I can tell you I shoot the ball like Ray Allen, perfect form. But it doesn't mean I hit threes at his rate of success.

Technique, advanced or basic, has no bearing on quality. I don't know why you think that, just because you've correctly identified what he's attempting, what you've read must be "good".

>>94529128
Yeah a lot like the original mister miracle (which of course is what they are going for).

>>94529308
No.

>>94528614
who said "what?" godfrey or miracle?

>>94529280
>>94529280
I thought she was fucking Superman?

>>94528648
In general I agree but I have faith it is building up to something.
If not I am gonna be fucking pissed.

>>94529285
>It enhances the storytellign and it's not something others are doing right now so it works fine.

As you'll likely read before I can reply to this, doing something doesn't mean you did it well. It doesn't matter if it's "something others are doing" or not. That literally does not matter.

If you shoot a bucket shot, just because 99 percent of basketball players shoot overhead, it doesn't mean it works. That is quite literally what you are saying.

>>94529349
When she was MCed in like the 80s

god damn. I'm over here wondering if should pick up in trade in a year or pick up the singles

>>94529349
Fuck off with that Bryne shit.

>>94529365
>I'm a tradewaiter
why admit this? You're a lesser being faggot.

Go buy a comic.

>>94529313
Well what is inherently good or bad depends on what it managed to achieves in the end. The punctuations here do that, it's a disconcerting effect same as how if I injected out of place punctuations in a sentences textually or breaks in speech verbally or a music beat that's off entirely.
>>94529335
So you want to shitpost away? Do so, I really can't stop you there.

>>94529380
i buy both tuff pup

>>94529397
>The punctuations here do that
They really don't. They intrude but they do so often enough that they just blur out.

I didn't mind it.

>>94529030
>spoiler
Fuck

>>94529040
Why would anyone want to rehash that shit comic?

>>94529398
No you don't. Otherwise you wouldn't have said "or".

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I give it a 7.3
Could'v used "Darksied is" a little less to add more story like "Scott slowly hallucinating things while at the hospital". ya know something
Anyway, this could easily been an issue 0 but okay

>>94528665
I always get all fuzzy inside when darkseid is presented as an ever present, all powerful, depression-like force.

>>94529397
>The punctuations here do that,
in your opinion. In other's opinions, like mine and the other anon, the technique was employed poorly.

You aren't "right" any more than we are.

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Given all the comparisons to Shilo's Seven Soldiers mini, would Anons like a short storytime of issue #4? With a bit of explanation of prior events it stands well enough on its own, and gets to the core of what Morrison was doing with the character.

>>94529472
No fuck off.

>>94529354
So when you don't like something is a fact that it's wrong because you said so? Thread is full of people listing different reasons for why it works all all you can come up with is a stupid basketball analogy? If you had an argument I'd understand but you don't.
Noah's free throws look like shit but he used to be good at it.

>>94528622

So I guess highfather acts as some sort of "counter darkseid" since this is the only page that has no darkseid on it?

>>94529478
>Thread is full of people listing different reasons
All I see is the same reason, a very subjective reason.

>>94528497
>>94528506
Isn't this the same intro with which Kirby's Mister Miracle series also started?

>>94529472
Yes please!

>>94529472
No, we're discussing this comic and you would just kill all that forcing in a different comic storytime here.
Or go make another thread for it. That'd be fine too.

>>94529494
Isn't it ironic?

>>94529472
Do it anon. Please

>>94529487
There are multiple reasons. Read the thread again.

>>94529472
Kill yourself Morrisonfag.

>>94529524
That's a little rude.

>>94529487
I'm done with him. He just represented himself as multiple anons, as well as his single point as being multiple ones. He also told me a perfectly clear analogy was dumb and that he didn't get it when he finished his reply by clearly understanding it.

He has no point to his argument. He liked the issue, maybe likes TK in general, read a "how to write teh comix" book and thinks his opinion is better than anyone.

The best was
>So when you don't like something is a fact that it's wrong because you said so?
When I quite literally said neither you (I assume it was you responding to him as well) or I are anymore "right" than he is.

>>94529497
>discussing
I see some sperging over an artist decision, that's all.

>>94528545
>implying
kys retarded summerfag

>>94529202
Yes its good, however it focuses on the moe darker aspects of the fourth world so if you don't like that you wont/dont like king.

>>94528648
That's not true. The Darkseid Is is gradually eats up more and more space with each passing page and with madness on them mouting up.

>>94529531
Morrisonfags are always shoving their shit everywhere and it's annoying. Hyper-kill yourself hypercrisisfag.

>>94529514
You could easily quote them instead of telling others to do your job in the argument.

>>94529497
Good point. I'm planning to do a full Seven Soldiers story time somewhere down the line anyhow, and its really something that works best as a whole.

>>94529428
It's really just wishful thinking on my part, in reality we're probably getting Seven Soldiers V0.5. I don't understand how King put out his original work and then went to garbage so quickly, now all we've got is this shit and Batman (excluding Elmer Fudd and the Kiteman issue)

>>94529536
>>94529472
Just fuck off to another thread and reply with the link.

>>94529501
more a nice and yet disturbing homage, but maybe sure, ironic too

>>94529548
>moe darker aspects
Scott is indeed very moe.

>>94529534
>He liked the issue, maybe likes TK in genera
Except I don't and I even said that in the very first post
You are legit fucking stupid

>>94529557
My job? Ha. So you admit that you're misinformed and you're also ignorant?

>>94529581
>>94529534
This is were the real shitflinging starts.

>>94529563
Kiteman issue is awful

>>94528573
Jesus Barda looks terrible

>>94529610
It's the first time King did a straight superhero story (other than GL Darkseid War). It wasn't really great, but I wouldn't go as far as calling it awful. Certainly better than the other stuff he's put out in his Batman run.

>>94529548
>moe darker aspects
Now that's my kinda manga

>>94529613
She doesn't look attractive but the art is very well done in my opinions.

>>94529595
>Makes a point
>Refuses to prove it
>Tells someone they're misinformed/ignorant

How black is this nig?

>>94529581
I mean, you've ignored the content of plenty of posts (like me telling you that you aren't wrong or right, like us).Though I also don't believe you don't like TK.

>>94528723
Stylistic choice.

>>94528622
so... the nu52 Highfather design has been scrapped for good?

>>94528723
Less dots more blank space.

>>94529623
Stupid dialogue, tryhard edgy story, Batman as a bigger villain than Joker or Riddler and shallow references. Yeah, great job.

>>94528573
Newgenesislets, when will they learn?

>>94529653
This isn't in continuity.

>>94529634
>>Refuses to prove it
You're in the damn thread right now you lazy sack of shit.

>>94529653
Wait until Venditti's Old Genesis story arc in Hal Jordan and the Green Lanterns is over before you start getting hopeful.

>>94529665
This story is in continuity, but the specific actions taking place might not be happening actually in reality given the nature of things.

>>94528607
>escaping death

This would have had an impact if not in an universe where people come back from the death like it's nothing.

>>94529405
When it comes to music we become subconsciously aware that there are off beat, even if we don't catch all of it and we know it's there for a reason. Even though the languages of things that are do different do have similar fundamentals, they achieve things differently. Here King can't keep the pacing going subconsciously so rather we're made aware of it. But there should be a pattern to it and how King is playing with the pattern and expectations becomes significant. I think it worked really well because I became aware of the pattern and had certain expectations of the pacing. It may very well be "what you get from it depends on what you bring going in" deal.
>>94529463
Well sure, I'm trying to discern the use of language here, I don't have a tone of objectivity in my statement and it you felt that way, that wasn't my intention.

>>94529623
It wasn't better than his Swamp Thing issue.

>>94529665
King confirmed it was in an interview. I'll find it once I'm out of work

>>94529705
>what you get from it depends on what you bring going in

Wow, thanks for explaining it you smarty you

>>94529679
the very point is that those posts don't exist you faggot fuck.

Acting ignorant doesn't make argumentative tachnique invalid. You refuse to look for what doesn't exist because you know it doesn't exist. But you refuse to admit that. So you told me (us) to go prove your point by looking for something that doesn't exist.

I know people like to sidestep out of a debate on here but you've made literally zero points beyond "this is a technique and since he used it, and others aren't using it currently, it works."

Nobody else has even touched the fucking topic. You're on a fucking island.

>>94529665
Continuity is always shakey with the new gods, they're sort of in and out of it

>>94529705
>I think it worked really well because I became aware of the pattern and had certain expectations of the pacing. It may very well be "what you get from it depends on what you bring going in" deal.

Literally:
>I understood it so I liked it. You didn't understand what he was doing so you didn't.

Which is especially stupid because the technique you're describing (even a sentence before) is that it's a subconscious thing meant to direct readers like punctuation would.

>>94529736
Oh nice. I call you ignorant and then you call me ignorant in response. Nice going there. I suspect you're being le epic troll or something and if I were to show you a blue t shirt you'd say it is green. You might think you're clever for baiting but you're just stupid.

>>94529754
The Green Lantern comic that came out today has New Gods in it conflicting with the events in this story. So there's that.

>>94529665
It is, he said it is the same as vision.

>>94529705
If this didn't make sense I'm sorry, I'm really out of sleep and I'm running for my University.

>>94529814
It made sense
tl;dr
>you're all dumb that's why you didn't like it
>I got it, I'm smart

>>94529790
This is where we've arrived lol.

You've had a paper-thin argument this entire time, switched to saying others have arguments too and then changed the argument to telling me I'm ignorant if I refuse to find these no existent posts.

And now I'm being called a troll by someone who likely didn't have anything to add to this thread in the first place.

Congrats you've wasted a half hour of my time your retarded fuck.

What a shitty issue. After reading his Fiasco on Batman, I'm surprised why DC decided to put King on this. Why not put an actually good writer like Tomasi, Jurgens or Lobdell? I'd recommend todays Hal and Pals for anyone who wants to read a good New Gods story.

>>94529796
it's not a conflict if this is all the omega sanction, not enough information

>>94529784
You do know people have subjective response to how they interpret the language right? Cognitive linguistics research is very much based on how the masses react to it rather than outliners. If you do happen to be the outliner means King's experiment was successful, if it's even 50-50 response that mean a concrete language failed to materialize.

>>94529861
Oh man this is some good ass bait, holy fuck. Like pre-Rebirth it would've been awful but now? Mwah, magnifique

>>94529861
honestly, politics aside, i think he's way too obsessed with Trump.

I had to unfollow the dude. He retweets and reposts so much political shit its a wonder he's ever off of twitter. He's just entirely too obsessed with a cynical "reality".

I honestly think if many creators just sequestered themselves for like a month they could write some amazing stories. We need high fantasy back in literature and comics.

This guy took high fantasy and made it "human".

>>94529913
are you kidding? he fucking posts pictures with action figures almost 10 times more than any political post on twitter

>>94529435

>you don't
lol

>>94529874
>You do know people have subjective response to how they interpret the language right?

I'm very aware of this. I find it odd you would say this after telling everybody it automatically worked. As in it objectively did.

Look, you clearly seem to think you're better than everyone. Maybe you are better educated than I. Likely not. But I'm not sitting here acting as if I have the keys to the universe because I read a book about techniques in comics.

You don't have some forbidden knowledge anon. You've been acting as if, objectively, TK's repetition and pacing "worked". The responses, especially from me, have been that subjectively it did not.

Assuming you know more or are better than the people you disagree with will always hamper your interactions. If you really meant this most recent post you wouldn't have started by saying objectively that it worked. With the reasoning that no other writers are using such a technique.

>>94529943
Do you not see retweets? between him and capullo my feed was exclusively "the big cheeto fucked up doing 'fill-in-the-blank' today"

>>94529913
>I had to unfollow the dude. He retweets and reposts so much political shit its a wonder he's ever off of twitter. He's just entirely too obsessed with a cynical "reality".
Quick glance at his Twitter and I saw more shitposting and ironic shitposting than political tweets, same as it was 4 or so months ago. I basically unfollowed everyone on my personal Twitter for this reason and created a secondary account that I don't use that often. Since elections the Twitter has been unbearable.
Besides following anybody on social media is the main problem, it's their personal space and they can do whatever the fuck they want unless it's not harming anybody.

>>94529987
You know you can turn off retweets from an individual right? Just go to their feed and in that drop down menu you can select it.

Don't miss content you want just because of shit you can avoid.

>>94529841
>>94529857
Imagine being this insecure.

>>94529272
>No he was serious
How can you know?

>>94529987
>>94529913
You're gonna have to link me because I have never once seen King retweet anything political outside if the whole trans soldier debacle and that's because he was CIA serving in the middle east

>>94529969
>Look, you clearly seem to think you're better than everyone.
>Maybe you are better educated than I. Likely not

>>94529996
Fucking A.

I'll respond to my original post hopefully people read this first.


I don't care about his politics. I don't care about his Twitter feed. I don't care what he posts. I don't care what he retweets.

All I'm saying is creators need to sequester themselves unless they want to remain cynical in every fucking story they create.

he can tweet anything he likes. I just see the RTs when I sign on daily on my own feed and it's pretty indicative of the amount of time he spends on there.

If he likes twitter that's cool. I just think creators should stay offline for a month or two a year to just create shit. Going to cons and doing interviews throughout the summer doesn't count.
>>94529913

>>94529969
There's definitely a certain objectivity to interpreting symbols, a lot of academic work on cognitive, linguistics and behavioral psychology works assuming that or proving that. May have been presumptuous on my part to assume King achieved the level of objectivity.

>>94529879
If Jurgens' name wasn't up there, I would I have had no clue that shit was bait and would've just thought it was some tasteless philistine. That's some next level bait man.

>>94530073
That wasn't my point so no. I don't care if you agree with my measurement of too much.

The point was creators, literally of any belief, should stay offline to create. If only for a little time each year.

Newsboy Legion when?

>>94530133
It's already ripped

>>94530059
I'm pretty sure it was a joke seeing as how he used the storytimers name in the post and told the storytimer to leave. I highly doubt someone seriously would want a storytime to stop because of a picture. And seeing that other anon's post that very autist's reaction was likely what he was making fun of.

>>94530097
To be fair writers really spend their time indoors so they do want some sort of social interaction and Twitter allows that. But Twitter is just so shit, I wish we went back to the times of blogs, newsletters and forum posting. King isn't even the worst offender desu.

>>94528648
Hey jackass maybe that's your subjective opinion but it is not fact. It worked for some and didn't for others. You can't just say it didn't work like it's objective fact.

>>94528793
And the different eye colors he remembers.

>>94530097
>All I'm saying is creators need to sequester themselves unless they want to remain cynical in every fucking story they create.

But you just straight up lied about the guy tweeting about trump a lot, just to prove your point that he is cynical because of the internet. What the fuck are you even on about? Most of his tweets are positive action figures and he just retweets a bunch of art and other comic book writers and shit.

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>>94529665

>>94530211
Fuck this shit

>>94530195
I said trump but I shouldn't have kept it so directly narrow. it's generally the Intelligence kerfuffles he's centered on.

Again though I dont care in any way shape or form if anyone agrees with my measurement of "too much".

But sure, I'm wrong about my own opinion.

>>94528525
page 6 and for me this is a must buy. I have a sick fascination with suicide

>>94530097
Man, I hate twitter but you sound like a fucking retard.

>>94530127
Nigga, the fuck do you mean it wasn't your point? Your point was that you think King is too obsessed with Trump.
>People seem intrigued by that,
>they want to know why you have this opinion, >they start asking you about it,
>"it seems like he just retweets comic shit and posts toy pics to me" they say,
>"can you post a few examples of this obsession you believe he has" they say.
>AND YOU FUCKING RESPOND, WITH "THAT WASN'T MY POINT"?

What the fuck do you mean by this anon?

Did he escape death?

>>94528766
Only other option I can see is if Scott actually did die and this is hell or the afterlife.

>>94530260
That was not my point.

>>94530280
He might just be taking Oberon's death hard and this is him coping with it.

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>>94528598
>Godfrey show

>>94530211
Wait guys
Is Barda gonna have a kid?
>can't kill off any major New God's because they're too important and he wouldn't wanna shit on Kirbys legacy
>made a point of stating that this is about Scott trying to make a family/not make the same mistakes as your parents in recent interviews
>focused on the love of Barda and Scott
>the only way to escape death in comics is to create new life in its place

CAP IT

I can't tell what spoiler they might have wanted to be hush-hush about. Just the bloody suicide scene? Because we got this page >>94528607
ahead of release that basically mentioned it anyway

>>94530321
Possibly but this doesn't strike me as insanity is why the world is strange story. We'll see though.
Does anyone know what eye color Barda's eyes actually are supposed to be? That would give a clue as to if Scott remembers wrong or if the world he's in got them wrong.

I had low expectiations than after reading it I thought it was okay. Then I read this part of a Tom King interview:

"And so, with Scott — the classic context in Christianity is God giving his son to humanity, but in Kirby’s myth, God gives his son to the devil. That’s the twist on it. He’s the son of God, but he was raised in Hell, in a place where he was damaged in the deepest place a person can be damaged."

And lost all hope. Maybe it turns out ok but I agree with Morrison in that one of the points in Kirbys story was that Orion was made just and Scott's pure heart wasn't corrupted.

>>94530332
>all of this talk of attempting to escape death when DCS current banner is literally REBIRTH
P O T T E R Y

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>>94528622
>delicious brown Bards

>>94528651
>>94528657
>>94528665
I like this. as others have stated it's like it's acting as punctuation, but I read this no longer as sequential art from one panel to the next. Instead it's more like line breaks in a poem, specifically the style of poem that scatters the lines to make them connect in a different type of flow

What is some recommended reading for the New Gods?

>>94530539
Kirbys New God's
Kirbys Mr Miracle
Hunger Dogs

>>94530539
Williamson's Orion. At least I think that was the writer's name. It began with a w.

>>94530562
Any good shit outside of Kirby?

>>94530539
Only Kirby. People will meme you into reading Morrison but don't fall for it.

>>94530374
Definitely agree, the core of Mister Miracle is the escape, and perhaps his greatest escape was walking out of hell untouched.While of course there would be trauma, he was able to free himself from it through the relationships he formed with people. Even Johns, who I think even his fans will agree isnt the best at thematics, was able to get that.

I do think King working on New Gods has potential, but its not really suited to being a Mister Miracle series.

>>94530575
Simonson.

>>94530616
Walt Simonson?

King really needs to step up his panel game. He's been relying on 9-panel way too much.

>>94530600
Are you the same anon who has been sperging out at any mention of Morrison elsewhere in this thread?

>>94530590
>>94530575
Walter Simonsons Orion

Outside of that no, not really. If you can't deal with Kirby art/writing, which was a major turning point in Silver Age comics I pity you

>>94530639
I enjoyed Kirby's New Gods stuff except for the Jimmy Olsen comics that were also a part of the run for some reason. I just couldn't get into those despite loving the new gods stories.

>>94530690
Nah that's fair, I should've really specified New God's and Mr Miracle. I even have trouble with Forever People sometimes

>>94530633
No. I don't really like Morrison's work, his Mr. Miracle is alright but Final Crisis is needlessly convoluted meta wank and has the worst of Morrison's traits.
Also do realize, there isn't just a single person on entire board that doesn't like Morrison's work.

>>94529024
>he's a self proclaimed huge fan of Bendis so not only is it bendis tier, but he's doing it intentionally.
If true it would go a long way to explain the amount of repeated panels.

>>94530639
Simonson's Orion is not good.

>>94530792
Yes it is.

>>94530813
No it's discount Thor.

It makes sense that Jack Kirby wrote the New Gods because despite being a DC property, it always felt like it would fit better in the Marvel Universe.

>>94528614
He's still dead isn't he.
He's dead and his soul is back in The Source.

>>94530860
DC just doesn't really have that interesting of a cosmic world. People of Fourth World literally look like regular ass dudes.

>>94530882
>escaping the source
Might be cool.

>>94530972
technically everything escapes the source, that's why its called the source

>>94530860
Apparently he first though it all up as a continuation of Thor.

>>94530984
Technically it still might be cool.

>>94530991
Thor and Asgard being the old gods that the New Gods were replacing, correct?

>>94531021
Yes

>>94531021
Yes. Of course he would never be allowed to kill off an entire franchise so he sat on the idea until he went over to DC.

Why do people act like King retreading a single issue from Morrison in a series that so few people have read is some crazy thing?

>>94531110
>that so few people have read

Didn't every issue basically do 30k+?

>>94531110
It was the plot of the entire mini and if King is reusing the same plot but stretching it out for 12 issues well...

>>94528665
The Is should have changed that last panel.

>>94528695
>eyes are blue again
Good read but I need to be spoon fed for this 2deep4me shit. Explain this shit.

Also, is it just me or does this speak more about depression than death or are the two one in the same?

>>94530047
Clearly, you don't have to imagine, anon. You're living it.

>>94531559
>literally no u

>>94530832
His Thor isn't even that great past BRB's intro, and it turns to shit after Ragnarock and Roll. His Orion is flaccid, at best, but I like some of the panel bordering.

>>94531608
>literally no u.

>>94528525
>but, I mean, obviously it's meant for...kind of less tall people.


Ha! Barda is too tall for normal chairs.

>>94531557
The colour pallette is also way brighter and there's no more Darkseid Is.

I don't think this is as simple as just the Omega Sanction, I think this is a mixture of reality and more

>>94528559
pretty sure King is intentionally changing it for thematic reasons. I mean usually every word in a comic is capitalized anyway, so King would have had to specifically request the use of lower case.


Dont be a retard.

>>94528536
>that old cover
>at the Hollywood Bowl

kek, thank you King.

Also

>Campbell

Is this going to be some monomyth deconstruction?

>>94531653
>forget Throg
for shame

>>94531557
after his suicide attempt, he faces PTSD (is what i think) and this is altering his perception of reality and the fear and trauma that he grew up with is catching up, making him paranoid (Darkseid is) which could also explain the visual distortions around the comic and he is brought back to a semi normal state in the end, as he heads back to war [this is what i thought happened]

>>94529180
>>94529176
are you guys dumb? That anon was saying he wrote this book before he did the interview. And the interview was in relation to this book, so there is no reason for him NOT to repeat the same thing.
Do you guys even use your brains?
>HURR DURR WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE BOOK HE USED QUOTES FROM THE BOOK!!! WHAT HACK!!!

In my opinion the theme isn't escaping death.
It's escaping reality, in other words,
escapism.

>>94528558
>>94528549
>>94528573
I really like this whole sequence. In a way, Miracle and Orion are brothers of the highest caliber since they share the same fathers.


And it shows how Orion is really unable to process the suicide attempt and thinks of Miracle as weak for it. He is trying to teach him that when you get beat down you stand back up, you dont give in--but since he is Orion, the eteranl asshole struggling with his own inner demons, he handles it poorly.

>>94529180
He said those exactly word because he had already written it, you dumbass. In the interview he was talking in the context of Scott perspective, and I have to remind you, the name of the comic is MISTER MIRACLE. it's not absurd the fact Barra said those words, because Orion is antagonizing her, because he is beating up her boyfriend. And Orion is like "so YOU, our important soldier, tried to kill yourself! Well, I will teach you something" which is, reading the comments here, something a lot of people would do. Of COURSE there is something more to it, you're making irrelevant criticism, looks like you made up your mind before reading, taking as vital information something besides the work itself, and claiming something definitive. It's dumbness incarnate.

>>94528580
interesting, this is the first time in this issue we actually get to see her eyes. Also Scott is the ony with blue eyes.

>>94531244
I think that the problem lies that it's not a "mainstream" superhero were talking about.

Every two years or so we see a new Batman story that retreads old stuff, but most people don't mind since there's so much stuff to keep track of that caring about that is too complicated.

Mister Miracle in comparison has like four important runs, so things like that become much more noticeable to people who care about New Gods.

I still think it's too early to have a final opinion, but I can see why New Gods fans are dissapointed.

>>94531851
>so there is no reason for him NOT to repeat the same thing.
You fucking idiot, using a character as a mouthpiece and having them just spout the bullshut you believe in is hacky shit. Make the characters feel like characters. You don't need to have a character in the story word for word repeat what you said in an interview, you don't need the characters to mention what the theme of the comic is. How can you be so stupid and then still have such a high opinion of yourself?

>>94531851
that's exactly what the second post you replied to said. just that it was stupid. you don't think it's stupid to do.

that's fine.

you don't understand anything any more than anyone.

>>94528614
>>94528607
>>94528598
In my opinion the "trying to escape death" thing is an excuse to explain away why he wanted to kill himself.


I think he is actually depressed, and godfrey knows this and is using the "death" as an intentional metaphor. Trying to get him to admit to himself, internally, he is still a sad fuck.

>>94528614
>>94528607
>>94528598
he wasnt trying to escape death, he was trying to escape life

>>94529483
I think its more that having loved ones to talk to is anti-darkseid/anti-depression.

Starting to be a little concerned about King tbqh, I hope people are checking up on him. People who have been in wars have really high suicide rates.

>>94531975
King quotes character != Character is mouthpiece

>>94531904
t. Starlin

>>94531975
>You don't need to have a character in the story word for word repeat what you said in an interview

But thats not what happened, he fucking wrote it months ago and quoted himself in the interview. How are you this dumb? seriously, how?

>>94531988
And you are just saying its bad to quote something he himself wrote just because? Okay, have fun being retarded.

>>94531608
>>94531678
Comic book fans are to worst. Go outside and learn to be social like normal fucking people.

>>94532195
Because I think it's a bit silly. It has nothing to do with anyone's mental capacity or health. You simply disagree with me on what constitutes corny and what does not.

Enjoy being an assumptive absolutist.

>>94532040
>>94532183
Are you baiting or genuinely retarded? The interviewer asked him to describe Orion and he did. His description was almost word for word what Bards said. Retard.

>>94532280
>its bad to quote the book you wrote

how are you this dumb?

>>94532248
amazing how you had to change your position from "either king or barda are mouthpieces" to "well its corny!!"


gotta suck being you

>>94532292
He's not quoting the book you absolute tard.

Reminder that the page was released before he ever did the interview anyway so this whole conversation is likely shitposting or it would have happened in interview threads already

>>94532302
>assumes that was one person
>assumes a certainty that it sucks to be me

I'm happy you continue to enjoy being assumptive absolutist.

>>94532336
>assumptive absolutist.
Oh looook at meeee I use biiiig words
Take the L bitch

>>94528622
is it barda?

>>94532422
What L?

>>94532313
>>94532313
but he is, since he wrote the book before he gave the interview

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>try to remember Scotts New52 appearances
>remember Darkseid War immediately
>one google search later reminds me of this shit heap

And suddenly I don't blame Scott or King >>94528506
for at all

>it's not new, for the property or for King
>it's not interesting, for the property or for King
>everyone fucking loves it because "It's Tom King!"
>it's going to be the normie reference point for the New Gods for the next decade
>nobody is STILL ever going to read Kirby

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>>94532857
>nobody is STILL ever going to read Kirby
Fuck you nigga, I'm working through Dave's storytime after reading this

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/92940394/

>what if the ultimate symbol of freedom in the face of despair and adversity tried to commit suicide
B R A V O

>>94532776
>Fury was meant to be Orion and E2 Wondys child
>Turns her into Steppenwolfs and Wondys child(seriously who approved this?)
>Barda hates Scott and there's no signs of them getting together
>Hints at Scott/Fury
Reminder that Wilson was setting up Scott to get together with a character who was meant to be his adoptive niece instead of Barda.

>>94528676
>Son of God

>>94528665
Should have had it in uppercase in this page.

>>94533079
>Son of God

Just noticed that. Holy shit, what the fuck?

>>94531904
They only share Highfather, Darkseid was never a father to Scott in any way and he's only Orion's through biology.

This review kinda complements the comic for everything I dislike about it:

https://www.newsarama.com/35873-best-shots-review-mister-miracle-1-10-10.html

>>94533191
Darkseid treated Orion and Scott equally.
And Orion lived on Apokolips until he was around 8.

Can't wait for the comic where Superman shoots himself in the fucking head with a kryptonite bullet.

>>94533205
No, he lived in a mansion in paradise and he's a bully. A loud puppy nothing more!

>>94533198
Nice try. Almost got me to click your review.

>>94530359
Going by scans of Kirby's original run I've glanced at via GIS, it seems they... might be blue? It's a bit hard to tell with Bronze Age colouring.
>>94530590
Legion of Super-Heroes: Great Darkness Saga
Morrison's JLA had Darkseid show up a few times

>>94529653
Multiple versions exist.

>>94533328
Curiosity will get the better of you. Click it anon.

>>94528614
>>94528607
>>94528598
I like Godfrey,

>>94533328
It isn't mine senpai. I wish I reviewed comics for a living.

>>94529347
Miracle

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>>94528497
>>94528506

>>94533436
Isn't it ironic?

>>94533401
Darkseid Is.

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>>94528665
>>94529453
Die for Darkseid

>>94531557The book mentions reality can be changed by darksied. It's already is being changed. The plot twist his entire life is a fabrication by darksied. He is tryng to escape the lies.

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>>94528614
>>94528622
>>94528631
>>94533401
I love that show.

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>>94533485
Yu

If you gave him a handy would you be getting off Scott Free?

Guys... I think Tom King might have been suicidal at some point.

>>94528695
>>94528676
I think I hate this. Either go full "3x3 SERIOUS comic" or write a fucking Kirby/Mister Miracle comic. Yeah. I hate this.

Holy shit these comments are autistic and infantile. It's a solid issue, picked apart by entitled memellenials.

>>94533668
Agree.

When did you realize that King was retarded

>You, a God, are the Son of God

>>94533699
Hot take dude great contribution

>>94533717
Highfather isn't God.
That's the presence, or the source.

King doesn't know jack shit.

>>94533727
more like Tom doesn't know Jack the King's shit.

>>94528573
Is that a Mother Box in the table?
Are they using a Mother Box for changing the TV channel?

Hah.

>>94528796
maybe it's not the Omega Sanction but Omega Effect?

>>94529029
Reality sucks. So Scott tries to Escape Reality.

>it's a King is a hack whose only familiarity with characters comes from Wikipedia entries episode
Show really ran out of ideas, they keep doing the same thing.

Eh, i like it but Kings needs to do something really great to make me forget about the Shilo Norman-vibes.

>>94530359
Her eyes should be blue.

>>94529704
Thing is, someone didn't try to kill him and he escaped his unwanted desth. This time he intentionally committed suicide in order to then escape his accepted death. A significant but subtle difference.

>>94528506
Jonah Hex made death his ally, why can't you, Scott?

>>94533668
What did you expect from a place where Rebirth is considered good and highly praised

>>94533668
completely agree. holy shit this was dark though
>>94533626
man, sheriff of babylon was this grim as well, i honestly think that he actually witnessed something like the events at the end of #10/#11 the bit with the soldiers' night vision shouting with the crosses and stuff and that may have traumatized him

also this seems fair to point out: he had a panic attack a few months/years(?) back and it had some lasting effects on him

>>94528657
It's mean to be annoying and obnoxious, and to create an unsettling feel in the story.

How dense can people be? Geez.

>>94534248
But I'm unsettled, just annoyed

>>94528651
Scott died in one universe and rewoke in another

Thread theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8051Hipbmmw

Listened to this while reading and it's remarkable how well the story beats happened to line up with the crescendo of the music.

>>94532000
Anti-life

>>94528549
I get the feeling that this is how Orion just spends his free time.

>>94534485
Finally, another anon with class

>>94534485
Gay

I sure hope King won't pull another shit ending like in Omega Men.