Go to Hell /co/

Fucking internet. I get a post from my phone and now I can't storytime

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You tried, OP.

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>comics should never do social commentary

>>94507969
Such a good arc for an introduction

>>94507969
Thanks man, when I get this working I'll take over.

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I like how the trade of this has ten fucking issues, even with this first one being 40 pages, and includes the fantastic crossover with Swamp Thing.

>>94508014
...the first one?

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It has lower quality paper that degrades faster but it makes the colors look better IMO and just feels better in your hand than glossy pages.

>>94508004
>Why does Constantine complain about the Conservative Party in Hellblazer: Rebirth? It's not like he's from Liverpool or anything.

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>>94508015
Any time.

>>94508044
I think he means the first arc just happens to be one of the best in the run.

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I never read this until last year, but I have memories from as long as I can remember of seeing the incredible covers in the store.

>>94507756
Sweet, never read Hellblazer before.

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>>94508143
Prepare to add a new favorite character to your list.

>>94508119
How far have you gotten into the series? It's quite a long adventure

Jamie Delano is so far up his own fucking ass, call me when you get to Ennis or Stewart.

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John reminds me of various scummy people I've known, who basically try to take shortcuts in life wherever possible and have little longterm foresight. It's just instead of various scams, favors, and thievery, he uses actual fucking magic.

>>94508220
All of Delano's run, haven't read any past that.

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>>94508240
Mind elaborating?

>>94508251
Read Ennis, and then skip over to Ellis' short run and pretend there's nothing else.

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>captcha: calle Berlin
Fucking Nazi hackers

>>94508306
Thanks anon. I'm a big Ellis fan. Have been meaning to give more of Ennis' work a try.

>>94508302
Not the same poster, but maybe he means that Delano has a whole lot more gothy poetry type of stuff.
Me, I'm not totally against it as sometimes I think it works and sometimes it doesn't. It's just a different style that's not 100% my thing. I haven't read all of Hellblazer, but from what I have read my favorite runs are all Ennis.

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>>94508368
I was a pretentious Moore/Gaiman fan in high school and I still have a love of dark shit with puffy prose, but Delano is probably not quite up there with those guys. Or at least, not with Moore.

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Papa Midnite reminds me of the voodoo zombie gang from Ostrander Suicide Squad

>>94507756


if only the rest of the art was as good as the cover

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I do have to be going after this issue, though I'll be back in about two hours, so hopefully OP will return but if not I might finish out the arc.

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I will say I hate when trades don't have the covers between the issues and just put them in a gallery.

I know it'd probably be slightly more expensive but in a perfect world they'd have the covers how they were printed between the issues, with the gallery being all the unlettered covers.

I wonder why Eddie Campbell bailed after three issues, leaving Paul Jenkins to take over after Ennis finished up.

>>94508623
Looking forward to it.

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And that's it for now.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/smdxc9g81qbh6f0/AABZXSc7iBicULFrtw7pKu58a?dl=0

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>>94508726
No it's not!
Do the new trades omit the covers between issues?

>>94508760
The covers are in a gallery sadly.

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Oh yeah, his ghost pals

>/co/ claims to be into Hellblazer
>Hellblazer gets storytimed
>zero discussion.

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>>94508797
That is a shame, and weird because the Lucifer reprints from around the same time had the covers in the right place, and without text. Someone recently ripped those books, so we now have HD blank covers.

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>>94508889
You would think there would be more, because Hellblazer is rarely storytimed (due to total length).
We are lucky to get a monthly Hellblazer general thread going

>>94508881
>Leathermen in the closet

Heh

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This arc was adapted into the TV show, but was sanitized

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>Swamp Thing references

Delano's run in Hellblazer is better than Ennis IMO. Milligan's wasn't bad either.

>>94509017
I gotta remember that joke.

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Hands up if you saw this coming

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The show changed it so that it was HIS choice to become the vessel.

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Like Texas, I have to run after this issue.
The next one contains "Make Britain Great Again!" and Demon Yuppies

>>94509110
>>94509100
Brutal.

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The end until Ulti gets back

>>94509188
Heavy shit.

Man, John can never catch a break on his friends.
Anyway, Enjoyed it.

>>94509188
Thanks. First time reading, and John seems a lot more vulnerable than I expected. Definitely left me with a desire for more.

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>>94510335

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Hey look, Thatcher-Demon on that cover

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Limited commentary on the social commentary from me, I'm not re-reading this right now

>>94508240
Delano is far better than Ennis

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>>94508240
It's hours later, but who's Stewart? Cameron Stewart? He only drew two issues of Azzarello's run

>>94508004
This at least has some subtlety to it, today this would start with him giving some speech at a conservative party dinner where he shits on the poor, then he and his guests would continue to shit on the poor for a few pages at the table, then this would happen. It's a simultaneous issue with decompression, that editors even let people make scenes that long.

>>94508306
I still to this day don't understand why people like Ennis' run but hate Milligan's.

>>94508306
>Disliking Carey's run
>Disliking Jenkins' run
>Prefering Ellis to either
Neck yourself

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I think the next issue is a one-shot that sets up more plot lines for the rest of Delano's run. Should I continue?

>>94511848
>Ennis
>Good 5-6 issue stories where John both gets over on people in clever ways and gets blown the fuck out himself, interspersed with great single issue tales
>Great grasp of the characters with good dialogue

>Milligan's run
>Decompressed to shit, bad dialogue, shitty OCs and mischaracterization of the established characters
>Literally so bad it killed the title
Gee I wonder?

>>94511901
Please do.

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Introducing, Zed!

>>94511865
I remember liking Carey's run, but not remembering Diggle or Jenkins. I really need to read the mid-series stuff again

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Oh Gemma, what Milligan did to you was cruel

>>94511975
"All his engines" alone solidifies Carey as a great Constantine writer, but his work on the Hellblazer title is even better. He's easily top 3.

Delano has no equal.

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>>94512165
Oh yeah, that's the OGN. I never actually read that, time to add it to my list

>>94508881
Ayy, gotta love continuity. How much time did it take for Constantine to get his own series after his first appearance in Swamp Thing, anyway?

>>94511865
Did Jenkins write anything as good as "Haunted"?

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>>94512296
He appeared in 1984 in Swamp Thing, and this started in 1988.
Even though there were so many writers who chose to not continue plot points, there was heavy continuity in this series

>>94512296
4 years. Hellblazer started in '88, 1st appearance was in '84.

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Reminder that John is not made for combat.

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Really not

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Damnation Army is the one of the Delano groups

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For those new in this thread, Hellblazer ran in real time, with characters growing old. Gemma was in her late 20/30s by the end of the series.

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I have a confession: I haven't finished Swamp Thing yet.

>>94511796
Wait, I thought Sandman and Swamp Thing mostly established that human souls are practically worthless to demons because they're probably going to have you regardless of whether or not they paid for it. I guess they're just making a point to better suit the analogy.

>>94512508
So is current continuity Constantine far older than he looks or were some of the Hellblazer story elements retconned?

>>94512463
>can't fight for shit
>can't do cool magic tricks
>has weak magic
>can't even drive
Pff this guy is lame.

>>94512636
Proper Hellblazer ended. Everything New 52 and onward ( Heckblazer ) is it's own thing

>>94512638
His limitations make him a more interesting character to follow.

>>94508306
Fuck you Ellis run sucked.

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>>94512636
Current Constantine is a different person altogether. Hellblazer started as being in DCU, then when Vertigo was formed, shifted more and more away. There are arguments on /co/ once in a while about how much of Vertigo can be considered canon, then there's Johns via Flashpoint who said that everything there was its own world.

John was physically deaged a few times during the series.

>>94507756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD7ljXygSn4

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This town has a ghost problem.

Carey>Delano>Ennis>>Milligan>Jenkins>>Diggle>Ellis>Azzarello>Mina. For me. I love the Delano issue On The Beach so much. I like that the trades DC are putting out are collect the one shots and stuff too like The Horrorist. JLD is the dumbest idea ever and sadly DC doesn't see this so pew pew magic Heckblazer is here to stay.

>>94512568
Where did you get stuck on? I had a hard time continuing when the plot got stuck up on Tefe's development.

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>>94512991
I wouldn't say I got stuck. I am still a little way through the Moore stuff. My excuse is that I was reading it on my phone, and the art deserved a bigger screen. I really intend to finish that up soon.

>>94512898
The weird thing is that they could've continued Vertigo Constantine while still having diet Constantine in the DCU.

I just hope maybe we'll get a Young Animal Hellblazer done the line.

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>>94513132
I personally believe that there was some animosity between the editing teams for main DC and Vertigo, and when New52 happened, the Vertigo editors lost (and now Vertigo is barely a thing).

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>>94513174
Which is dumb, because a lot of Vertigo stuff has become the backbone of the book store market.

>>94513174
I believe it, the bad blood between DC and Wildstorm wasn't subtle at all.

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One more after this for me, back to England.
Brb for a second though

>>94513216
The elements of #15 and #16 of the Authority that were changed and censored due to that are actually being re-printed unedited in the 25th Anniversary collection.

>>94513174
oh it got really bad. The firing of Karen Berger was a big fiasco. Whoever did that made a huge mistake

>>94513254
I should be on in like 30 minutes. I ended up having to go to the physical store and getting the shitty modem they gave me replaced.

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>>94513299
What's the story behind that?

>>94513174
Well the Vertigo editors of then aren't at DC anymore anyway.

>>94513132
Not really, people get confused at this shit. Even if you read early Vertigo stuff that, in the letters page you still get a lot of people confused about continuity and where it all fit in, that's why ultimately Hellblazer became separate from the rest of the DCU and they stopped trying to reinvent obscure characters like Kid Eternity under Vertigo.

Ultimately, I get it, (Vertigo)Constantine in this day and age isn't a huge seller, but Heckblazer isn't either. You're failing to find much of a new audience with him except for hype men that love crossovers and shit(and the number of people that pick up Heckblazer and JLD is small anyway) but in turn you're driving away the fans of old John because this is not what they're interested in. To be honest I don't think there's a need for Vertigo Constantine right now because I don't think there are writers that can do a good job with him right now.

>>94513330
Berger stepped down. Bond was fired. And I don't know if it was a mistake, really, we'll need to wait and see how Berger Books and Black Crown does.

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The boys fucked with the wrong man.

>>94513382
Editorial didnt like how blatant the Avengers analouges were, so they were changed, like (IIRC) the Cap expy had his sheild removed. And a LOSH parody was nixed as one of the editors who had worked on the book saw it as an attack on the characters.

>>94513386
>Constantine in this day and age isn't a huge seller

Yeah urban fantasy is still a big seller, but Hellblazer isn't romantic enough for that crowd.

>>94508004
i don't see the social commentary, but i can see the principle of addiction/compulsion.

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There's something about Mary

>>94513428
"stepped down" I mean it's just rummors but it didn't sounds like a good parting

>>94513708
I remember reading from here that she just needed a break from comics.

>>94513603
>Rich elite fleece a country until the irreparably fuck it and kill it, even in those last days the elite are trying to make a buck
It's loose and undefined but it fits

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Oh yeah, I forgot about the nudity in this series. This not so much, but later issues. I wonder if that it part of the reason why no one every storytimes this stuff.

>>94513386
I'd give China Mieville a crack at him, though I don't know what DC's relationship with him is like
>Cancelling a fairly big name novelist's excellent comic rather than just releasing it under a different imprint/in a different format and turning him into your next Gaiman

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Haha

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>IdeologicalExtremism.jpg

>>94513832
Meh. I don't know. I read Dial H, Kraken and Railsea from him and his short story for Hellblazer. I don't think he';d be an amazing fit but he might do a great job, who knows. Still, he's not a comic book writer so if he's your first choice then that kind of proves my point since he's not really a realistic suggestion. Also I think he kind of fumbled the start of Dial H and that's why it didn't get that much attention(not that ti was ever going to be a huge seller but I just think it had an iffy start)

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The end for now. Ulti-mate will continue eventually with the rest of the Damnation Army and the Crusade storylines.

>>94513756
not not even nudity. No visible nipples or anything

>>94513936
The one with the city that is two cities trans-located in the same place made me think he could do Constantine, as well as the relationship Earth has with hell in the Bas Lag books

>>94514124
>not not even nudity.

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Thanks everyone! You guys rock!

>>94514265
I know people hate this because it's dated and all but I still like it.

>>94507756
I recently fell in love with this series.

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>>94514305
I am reading it for the first time, it's great

>>94514265
Thanks for this, im finally seeing what all the hype is about.

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>>94514340
You're welcome anon

>>94511730
toppest of fucking keks

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This art is gorgeous

>>94514340
It has lots of ups and downs (to be expected with 300 issues) but there is a lot of quality stuff in here

>>94514440
It really is, some of it is dated, but a lot of the art is well done. This issue is great (I read it after finishing posting the last one).
This guy was in the Justice League Dark movie by the way

>>94509110
Yeah, the show made sure John was never the asshole and always the courageous type.

>>94514453
Damn it John, another ghost to add to the pile.

Ulti-mate, a small suggestion: I know that you tend to power through things (like 100 Bullets), but I would advise against that with Hellblazer. It keeps getting heavier at times.

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>>94514498
Nah, he was an assholle. Not this big of one, but still a pretty big one. The thing is he was also always right

>>94514305
People hate it?

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>>94514519
I was doing one thread a day

>it's a combi-storytime
This warms my heart.

>>94514548
Everyone once in a while there's a "this art is too dated and I don't like the dialogue, why do people like this again?" thread, but they are rare.

>>94514704
>Newcastle

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>malicious code
The file is haunted

>>94514597
? I meant that particular issue and it's use of the internet. I've seen a lot of people hate it and call it silly and outdated.

>>94507756
i can't i'm banned from hell...

really funny story though

>>94511695
Sorry I meant Jenkins, not Stewart.

>>94514785
I love how deadpan this is

>>94514890
>Elementals
Shoot, do you have the Swamp Thing issues that take place around this? I know they are in the trade, but might not be in this folder you have

>>94514951
Was this during the weird period when Swampy was going all around the world meeting the Parliaments?

>>94514972
I'm not sure, but in the Hellblazer context (spoilers for the next few issues) Swampy really wants a kid, and wants to use John's body for the conception

>>94515012
In that case, it's WAAAY before then. Around this point, I think Swampy was screwing around with weird fantasy gribblies like evil zombie pirates in Lousiana and trying to turn Solomon Grundy into a new Swamp Thing and fighting the intelligent embodiment of all fungi.

>>94514597
>This art is too dated
>dialogue
Bunch of no taste having faggots then.

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>>94514951
#76 and 77? If so I have them. Had to check

>>94515137
Yep, that follows next after this issue I believe. That's the order in the new trades at least. This thread won't be big enough for both though

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>>94515159
I didn't realize you had to read Swamp-Thing alongside this. Going to finish the thread with issue 10

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>>94515159
I'll storytime them in a different thread if someone makes a new thread

>>94515237
I can't remember if it's absolutely necessary to continue with. It's important for Swamp Thing, but not really this.

>>94515256
ingenious, John

>Going to finish the thread with issue 10
I think after this issue finishes, Swamp Thing directly takes over so you'll either have to storytime the Swamp issue or stop at 9 because otherwise you'll be skipping material.

>>94515303
Yeah, I would vote: Do Swamp Thing 76, then start a thread with Hellblazer 10 as the cover, and continue with the next Swampy issue

>>94515299
The good news man is that this is the only crossover Hellblazer has