Why are American female comic artists/cartoonists cancer when

>>94504147
Living in America makes you a little dumb by default. Must be the air or the water.

>>94504147
Cape comics in general set the bar at delivery speed rather than quality and their monopoly status means they aren't getting their shit slapped by the Invisible Hand when they're being dumb.

>>94504251
>delivery speed

That's the same with manga though. They're tied to monthly or even weekly restrictions as well. And it goes on for years for some.

I recommend Dungeon Meshi to everyone, even on /co/.

>>94504251
Japanese focus on delivery speed too.
It's just that in their case, they're making themselves fit into the schedule, not the schedule having to deal with them.

>>94504147
Western women arent interested in cape crap which is the mainstream. Japanese women grew up with kino shoujo.

Is something being done by a woman a selling point in Japan?

>>94504147
Lack of politics and trying not to denigrate their audience with bullahit most of the time; they're just trying to write a story.

And on a side note if you're not versed Japanese naming conventions it can be tricky to tell who is male or female so you may end up surprised at who writes what.

>>94504490
Woman in general? Pfft no. The fujoshi market is huge there.

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>>94504370
>That's the same with manga though.

Yeah, but they have a "We will drop you within two to four weeks if our readers don't like this shit"-policy and clear, published and publically accessible editorial guidelines that inform the content of each magazine. They'll also actually drop series for good and not touch them ever again and their editors aren't exclusively hired on Bizarro Earth, so they try to do their jobs in a Non-Bizarro Earth way.

>>94504352
It is an extremely good comic. It is a shame OP used it to start such a shit thread.

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>Be Woman in Japan in the 1970s
>Get into male dominated industry in an actual misogynist society
>Just work hard and make sensible choices
>Become one of the richest people in the country

>Be Woman in America in 2010s
>Entire society will destroy anyone who says bad things about you.
>Whine and draw art worst than webcomics
>Complain that it's misogyny holding you back.

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Does /co/ have any good legal shotas.

>>94504549
This. There's no virtue signalling. Oh they'll pander to audiences down to very niche ones and that includes political pandering, but they won't suddenly place their entire output to one single ideological aim.

>>94504569
The otaku industry in Japan has pretty damn good gender diversity, even drawn porn has loads of female authors and not just for the gay stuff.

>>94504490
the author gender doesnt really matter. I do feel females avoid inserting stereotype characters/scenarios more often than males.

>>94504490
When it comes to manga, not really.

There's a really good split of audiences for it there due to the sheer amount of it, since it's a mainstream media, unlike how comics are in the west. Everyone from excitable little girls to the tired salarymen reads manga there.

>>94504147
japan has a higher IQ than america. The real question is why hasn't china over taken america in animation yet?

>>94504676
America doesn't really have animators anymore outside of Disney. It has production teams, writers, designers, story boarders, but not actual animators.

>>94504569
Ataru is, and always will be, best harem protagonist.

Although that is not saying a lot seeing what he's up against.

>>94504697
The Tenshi-family line, anon.

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>>94504147
>when Japanese female comic artists/cartoonists are good
As usual, people let the language and publishing barrier obscure their vision of the general quality of Japanese comics. In order for the great, unwashed, EOP masses to even have chance at reading a manga, it has to be translated. This either means a scanlation team took it up or a publishing house did. Either means a filtering process for what scanlators were interested in or what the publishing house thought would sell. Sometimes, with the bigger scanlation teams, the latter also matters, though replace "sell" with "engorge their epeen."

Which means, ultimately, you're seeing the better series even with all the truly dumb shit that makes it through. You can get a glimpse of the dumb fucking shit most people don't see when it involves the fetishes the scanlators like, in either the isekai or yaoi or whatever genres. Then you get hilarious fapbait and terrible fucking art and general crimes against any sort of passable stories for all demographics. Kui Ryoko is an outlier among female creators in Japan, and frankly creators in general. Go read her anthologies, they're a blast.

This isn't to say that it's not true that the Japanese industry isn't free of the shit /co/ bitches about. The industry is incredibly apolitical at large in either direction and the weird internet personality culture that's popped up recently. However, it does have it's own problems and it's not like it's not free of its own censorship mores. Editorial mandated bullshit is actually more prevalent than you might expect. If there's ever some sort of cute mascot or worse girl wins, you can usually thank editorial. Marketability is always factor in the larger magazines. Not to mention the usually discussed near slave labor hours most have to work to keep up. The grass is always greener.

Anyway, story time.

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>>94504147
in japan the female artists aren't pampered self entitled bitches, they have to work hard, very fucking hard to stay in the business,that is much more competitive in japan than in US of Ameribacon

>>94504147
>Why are American comic artists/cartoonists cancer when Japanese comic artists/cartoonists are good?

fixed

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>>94504147

It's kinda like asking about the stereotype of why asians are good at math etc

It's not necessarily true, but a lot of it comes down to the culture's work ethic.

>>94504697
That fucker never kis- oh wait he did.

>>94504147
There are probably just as many bad and cancerous japanese female artists. It's just due to how few mangas are good/popular enough to get overseas exposure and publishing that it seems there is a larger number of good japanese female artists than american.

Example of "mainstream" bad manga made by a woman: Katekyo Hitman Reborn (also notable in being quite misogynistic when you look into it)

>>94504936
Yeah you summed it up better, also thanks for the storytime!

>>94505042
The fact that there are so many female artists/writers/assistants/etc in the industry is also another sign. When you think of it, the comics industry in the US is actually really, really small.

>>94505072
Yeah the manga industry is insanely huge and demanding.

>>94504583

I had the damnedest time figuring out what sex Chilchack was in the manga.

>>94505220
Really? He seemed pretty obviously male right off the bat, but maybe that's just me.

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>>94504147
Women from all walks of life are attracted to Manga in Japan. Allowing for an endless variety of approaches to art and story.

Western women into comics tend to be "that" type of le quirky reddit/tumblr girl.

Idk, but Kaoru Moro and Hiromu Arakawa are goat
Honorable mention for the author of Nana, that shit was delicious trash

>>94504213
It's probably because the first thing they do when balancing the budget is cut education spending.

>>94504147
Most female characters in manga are shit though.

>>94505322
Most characters in comics are shit. By sheer volume of work, there are more better female characters in Jap comics than US comics just due to how much stuff is published.

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>>94505011
This is godly.

Why's she so great, man?

>>94505322
Fuck outta here boy

>>94505352
Agreed.

To be quite honest, the way cape comics are written seems to homogenize the personalities of its characters, especially the female ones. There's this whole blob of female cape characters that appear in tons of books I've read, but appear to have no real personalities. They're interchangeable and incredibly boring.

>>94504147
idk. But need to say FMA and Mushishi are my favourites and created by women.

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>>94505395

Mushishi is god tier.

Nobody gives a fuck if you're a girl who likes manga. Everybody likes manga, or at least, it's the norm in japan. It's not a question of whether you've read manga or not, it's a question of which ones you liked and what kinds are your preference. Gender never came into the question to begin with, so a chick picking up a pen and making a new japanese comic isn't worth batting an eyelash for.

Western comics are different, they never caught on in the same way, and only a portion of the population reads them. That means, through some circular logic, that it's 'exclusive'. Only certain people can acceptably read them, and only certain people can acceptably make them. Turns out, for whatever reason, comics are more popular with guys, or at least they make up a more vocal majority, so they tend to fall into both of these categories more often.

For some reason, a long while back, comics in america became a 'boy thing' for a short time and it just snowballed from there. Comics in japan were as universally accepted as television from the get-go, so the workforce -and the biases surrounding it- developed differently. Being a female cartoonist in america is more volatile -for better or worse- than in japan as a result.

>>94505072
well, comics is pretty much just DC, Marvel, Image, Dynamite, Darkhorse, Vertigo and a few others.

Fucking Japan man, they have SHIT TONS of manga tanks out for every genre and every age group for that genre. there is NO WAY that the US would stack up to it. also that manga is pretty much read by everyone and not just a certain group like comics are over here.

Reminder that Hero Academia does Xmen better than the Xmen comics

>>94505540
maybe MHA should fucking have near 60 years of stories with god knows how many timelines and shit. lets see how well it does superheroes THEN!

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>>94504147
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>94504589
>There's no virtue signalling

Anon, they made a show about Romans repatedly saying how awesome japanese culture is in every single episode, and Thermae Roma isn't even the most obvious case of virtue signalling.

>>94505540
Hero academia is a generic Battle shounen,is not really very original.

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>>94505540

My Naruto Academia is not better than any X-Men runs of significance.

>>94505618
Thermae Roma is really great though.

>>94505665
True and the focus of the comic is really not particularly on the worldbuilding, but it's Good Shounen because it puts you closely in touch with the highly charged emotional states of its characters. That's what shounen should do. The pace is good and the moments of big action have a great feeling of empathy too - it's not exactly what X-Men is but there's a market for an X-Men book like that I have no doubt. It does teen superhero action superbly well.

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>>94505523
Comics are dominated by capeshit due to the comics code. It's widely known that young boys prefer stories about action & adventures than young girls, who prefer stories about socializing & romance.

As a result, little boys in the 50's through the 70's/part of the 80's were the only real comic consumers. Then boys almost entirely lost interest in comic books due to newer (and more accessible) forms of media & entertainment. Leaving only a niche of older guys nostalgic about their childhoods to read them.

>>94505540
BnHA is basically House of M universe except humans were phased out quickly enough that it never became a big issue how a major portion of the population had no powers.

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>>94505540
I was a bitter hater until reading the manga. It's like Magneto's wet dream.

>>94504147
japan has doujinshi culture which teaches aspiring comic artists how to divide the workload among specialists; the inker how to ink, the beta how to beta, the penciler how to pencil, etc etc.
all america has webcomic culture, where there are no standards, barely anybody has any clue what they are doing, and since its usually one person doing everything they struggle to pick a specific technique they want to improve and stick with it until they actually get better

>>94505618
GATE is a masturbatory right wing Japanese fantasy, but that's part of the appeal. It's cute.

>tee hee fantasy gaijin, I teach you the glory of modern yamato damashii

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>>94504549
I agree with the second half of your statement but NOT the first. Manga is infamous for near sweatshop like conditiosn.

>>94504549
And this seems more correct. If you're the Japanese equivalent of Faith or Mockingbird, you aren't going to stay in the Shonen Jump anthology based on your political views, if you can't move the needle on the reader polls as well.

>>94505791
That's true. There's definitely a sense of progression with doujinshi where you have the full range from total dogshit to published quality, whereas with webcomics you have 99% unreadable shit and 1% basically professional.

>>94504676
China lost a HUGE amount of their mojo with the cultural revolution. They destroyed all their infrastructure and expertise. And any great artist isn't going to want to stay in China, because of the political risk.

>>94504322
The difference is that manga often have simplified backgrounds and almost never color. Having to do the extra steps for American comics take more time.

>>94505705
The worldbuilding is alright, it's not overdone. I like how being a hero is just some work you've got to learn in school. It's very different of the American mindset and its boner for vigilantism. and if you support the federal government you're basically Hitler.
That sort of cultural diversity is why I read American, European and Japanese comics.

>>94505572
>have near 60 years of stories with god knows how many timelines and shit
Maybe that is exactly their mistake. It became too convoluted

>>94504490
Yuri on Ice

>>94505823
>China lost a HUGE amount of their mojo with the cultural revolution.

There's also the issue that everything they actually want to make will have their parents billed for a bullet sooner or later.

>>94505862
The whole Yamamoto Sayo thing is less being done by a women and more by someone who's passionate about Skating. She's done a good number of nods to it in her works, like the Persona 5 OP for example.

There have been a good number of female showrunners in anime as well, not to the amount of men sure, but still just as well-known. Okada Mari, Matsumoto Rie, Yamada Naoko, etc.

>>94505927
Time travel stories are basically verboten in China. It might give Lu Xing unacceptable ideas.

>>94504147
Are you the same Anon who yesterday posting about "Why don't American comics have more variety like manga? It's all superheroes repeating the same story over and over."

If so, ya need to pace yourself more.

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>>94504147
>American female artists aren't good.

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>>94505927

Is there a master list of EVERYTHING that's unnaceptable in China?

Just off the top of my head:

Ghost Stories/ the undead.
Tibet.
Taiwan
Japanese as anything other than oppressors.
Freedom fighters that aren't Mao or the Boxer Rebellion.
Time Travel.
Anything that isn't all ages.
Anything that promotes supersticion.
Any part of Chinese history that makes china look bad.
Making the millitary, the police, or the chicom party look bad.
Drug abuse
all horror movies

And these rules apply to other movies from your studio. If you put out a tibetan movie, the rest of the stable gets the boot as well.

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>>94506298
That thing looks like a man

>>94506526
Winnie the Pooh is banned for being a meme on Chinese internet

There was a movie about Confucius that got edited to portray widespread slavery in order to fit the Marxist narrative about history

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>>94506529
Why must you lie?

>>94506584
Better, I was just being honest. Female capeshit characters look like they have more testosterone than me.

>>94505846
Not really the biggest fan of being a hero becoming some kind of competition where everyone is obsessed with ranking like other shonen.

>>94504569
It's a shame her work is so boring.

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>>94506655
Well we are a bunch of losers and nerds on the internet. It wouldn't be hard to be tougher looking or manlier than us.

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>>94504147
What about Canadian artists?

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>>94506662
Yamato Damashii is a pivotal aspect of Japanese culture. It cannot be separated from shounen. I personally think it complements the narrative.

Japanese boys learn about the importance of striving to do their best, and conforming socially. That is "rising" to the level of the badguy or rivals so they can compete as social equals someday.

>>94505618
One comic by one author.

>>94506728
I'm not a cuck though

>>94505804
That's called identifying a niche and pandering to it in specific cases; GATE exists alongside left leaning manga that promotes peaceful co-existence, alongside manga showing Japanese war crimes, against sci-fi utopian comics, etc.

Unlike DC and Marvel which pander to an internationalist social democratic ideology and little else.

>>94506842
Well duh. Mangaka tell THEIR personal stories and then move on. They don't puppeteer the corpses of 70 year old franchise zombies.

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>>94506827
That not how cuckolding works.

>>94506769
Clearly OP hates all things from North and South America, including Canada.
Otherwise they would have specified as U.S. instead of American.

>>94505540
Reminder that MHA is another dime a dozen meme anime like Kill la Kill or JoJo with nothing special about it aside from annoying faggot fans.

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>>94505011

Don`t forget your ancestor`s plight!
REMOVE MOLES!

>>94507126
And yet, it outsells everything but One Piece. Money talks, bullshit walks.

>>94507214
If money talked accurately, Minions would have been a flop and Laika would have gotten an Oscar by now.

>>94506584
Thats Sena Takeda's art. Monstress is a North American book, but she is Japanese/

>>94507275
I know I was checking it OP would bash ANYTHING I posted and would turn around with a "HAHA but that one was JAPANESE".
Luckily they didn't take the bait and instead the thread has been fairly reasonable.

>>94507267
People wanted more of Minions because it appealed to more people than Laika. That's how capitalism works. And besides

>Oscars
>Anything but a fixed circlejerk by liberal virtue signalers

>>94507129
The moles are just a smokescreen for the duplicitous lapine and their lies! NEVER FORGET THE CHAINS!

>>94504147
Art aside, are there any genuinely great female comic writers?

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>>94505011
I notice that Manga almost always deals with racism using metaphors or fictional worlds.
I've yet to see a Manga just outright acknolwedge the fact that Japan itself is pretty racist towards Koreans and others.

>>94507317
OP's author is excellent.

>>94507309
Because it was made by a Japanese person m8.

>>94507317
If you mean non-eastern ones, I quite liked Marjan Satrapi

>>94504490

no

sometimes if it's done by a specific woman, like rumiko takahashi for example, then yeah I guess but that's a different story.

>>94507309
oh sorry. . . wasnt sure if it was for or against

I met Takeda this year at TCAF, totally nice lady

>>94504147
>Louise Simonson
>Mary Jo Duffy
>cancer

I will fight your weeb ass in the streets.

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I forget. Is InCase a dude or a chick?

>>94506655
I'm sure actual females have more testosterone than you, you sissyboi.

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Its all about how much effort ones is willing to put in their work.

>>94507328
Japan is an isolated island with a 99.8% Japanese population, a language & script unrelated to any others, peaceful & conservative, and a long history of xenophobia going back to medieval times. Of course they have misinformed ideas of the outside world. It doesn't help that the Yakuza is HEAVILY korean as well. Chinese people are seen as neutral, if rather loud and annoying. They acknowledge that the Chinese gave them their entire civilization. Like how Europeans view Greeks. Koreans were a subjugated people for a long time and the perspective still hasn't changed much.

Non-asians are seen as generally inferior, but entertaining novelties. Asians actually have history and bad blood.

>>94507442
Chick

>>94504589
for example, Shonen Jumps sports series and high school romance series ended, and they immediately started running through several new sports and romance series until one stuck, so they wouldn't lose those demographics

Y'all ever make a point to assume most Canadians you meet are from the US. They get pretty asshurt, lmao.

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>>94507377

I more specifically meant American (or at least Canadian) female comic writers.

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>>94504569
American women btfo by Japanese women!

>>94504583
>shota
He's like 30

>>94507328
>I notice that Manga almost always deals with racism using metaphors or fictional worlds.

It makes things easier to understand. Nobody's a rabbit or a rat, so they don't feel the need to take sides and they can view things objectively from an outside perspective.

>>94505042
>There are probably just as many bad and cancerous japanese female artists.

That's the thing though, they exist but they aren't paraded around as the second coming of christ and given these chances to just straight up run the largest stories published by the largest companies. You'll never see a continuation of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure or One Piece or Dragon Ball written by someone that only got their job because they're a woman and you'll never see those continuations disrespect their history by just trying to force an agenda down your throat.

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>>94504147
You probably can't name any female artist other than Rebekka Sugar if you think this way

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>>94506662
Every time I see a ranking system in a superhero setting I think that a villain created it to undermine the superheroes and have them fight themselves over petty bullshit. Burocracy and egos are one of the main reasons the regular police and goverment are inneficient and the rankings and whatnot for capes can only be detrimental. this is clear in Hero Academy with fucking endeavor. It`s like turning them into fucking idols, which are what happens if you remove the soul of the music industry and somehow make it keep walking.
Interestingly, many crime mangas and movies have some sort of rankings for assassins, which they fight over of course. How does that even work, hell if I know.
Similar issue in fantasy settings and "Guilds" and "levels". Skills and parties should be way more organic than that.

>>94507456
>a language & script unrelated to any others,
Like a third of their language is straight lifted from chinese and turned it into a bizarro version of itself

>>94507610
As I said

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>>94507461
Bingo. Manga magazines are run as actual businesses. And the primary business is to actually sell manga, not movies or video games.

>>94507578
That shit is there for powerlevel fags and people who grew up with the videogame mindset. It doesn't have to make sense, it's there because it's cool.
It doesn't mean authors don't poke fun at it, look at Onepunch Man.

Hero Academia doesn't put much care about the ranking thing, only assholes like Endeavor obsess over it. Deku's goal isn't to become number one as if it as becoming pirate king or some shit, he has to become number one because he has the responsability of becoming the new symbol of peace to fulfill All Might's legacy. His motivation is heavy and grounded.

>>94504147
Making comics in Japan is a career that could lead to major fame and accomplishment. Rather than being for the money, they are in it for true passion and, because passion is in their highly competitive job market, only the best can survive and thrive.
Making comics in the US is a back-up plan when you couldn't make it into the STEM field. There is not much competition and not a lot of passion, so any faglord can make it big by appealing to the LCD. Look at all the "relatable" comics or "my period lmao" comics.

>>94507523
except then nobody reading it applies any lessons gleaned from the manga to the real world because the metaphor's lost on them. Also there's no political, social or otherwise limits discouraging anyone in that country from just straight-up saying shit like "all koreans should fucking die" so racists keep on being racist.

>>94507533
pretending the structures of the Japanese and American comics industries are similar enough to compare the two is so laughable as to render your argument a shitpost

>>94507759
You say that like the comics industry isn't about selling comics. Or that you think the entire industry operates like Marvel and/or DC.

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>>94507825
Speedreaders and normies fail to notice that in-universe the ranking system is seen as retarded and Deku is driven to be the "Number One Hero" by protecting as many people as he is able to because it's his nature to run in and save the day. That's why his rival is shown to be an arrogant asshole who only wants to fight villains to prove what a badass he is.

>>94507851
It's about applicability. It's up to the reader to think for themselves. Saying "don't be mean to Koreans" is as foolish as saying "gas the koreans, racewar now!". The implication of the animal fable is to let the observer reach their own conclusion, and naturally most readers grasp the idea of "treat others as you would have them treat you". It's not illegal to talk shit about anyone in Japan or put up anti-gaijin signs on private property. But logically most nips know they'd be shooting themselves in the foot by antagonizing foreigners.

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>>94507477
I got out of the webcomic scene a while ago but I remember there were some pretty good ones written by women. As for actually published comics there aren't many that come to mind.

The manga industry is fucking enormous compared to the comics industry. They have a dedicated genre for teenage girls and another genre for older women. It's not even really a hobby like it is here, it's just a facet of life.

>>94504633
Female doujinshi writers are into some kinky shit though.

>>94504213
As someone who lives here I can say it's mostly the culture if ignorance.

>>94508171
Most of my favourite webcomics are done by women - Oglaf, Awkward Zombie, Mess Perfect

>>94504633

What about gay shit that isn't girly yaoi boys?

>>94508171
Everyone from housewives to salarymen to schoolchildren reads manga. The format is cheap, accessible, and allows for all manner of things to be depicted that otherwise wouldn't be possible.

>>94507952
anon, the ranking systems that exist in japanese manga are a reflection of the ranking system for school grading that exists in japanese society.
myhero academia is a generic high school manga.
You ould substitute superpowers with any high school sport or a number of hobbies, lik playing music or playing chess, and you have one of a thousand identical manga, often done better.
The super powers is just a smoke screen, there is no depth to it, it's just your average coming of age manga.

>>94506827

You sure sound like one.

>>94508246
It's called Bara, right? Like Yuri means Lily, and Bara means Rose.

I've got a fujo friend and she mostly says Bara is usually done by gay guys for other gay guys.

>>94507267
>Laika
>good in anything other than in technical skill
>writing sucks and have to resort to gays for critical acclaim
Kubo sucked balls, too.

>>94507328
>I've yet to see a Manga just outright acknolwedge the fact that Japan itself is pretty racist towards Koreans and others.
Mostly cause outside that exchange student who is half-japanese, they often don't have them.
Korea, China and Japan totally have this amazing hate-triangle though.

>>94504936
To add on to your point about editorial, Togashi and his manga Yuyu Hakusho is a great example. Despite being massively popular, he got so fed up with editorial meddling that he just gave it a half-assed ending and left it.

>>94508175
Most of the semi-realistic violent porn is made by women. Shit's trippy to see a cute petite woman who looks like someone's mom having made a doujin about a girl who gets fisted and sexually tortured beyond insanity.

speaking of comics and webcomics, anyone here heard of line toons?
it started translating korean webtoons, and maintained the format, but has since started accepting comics from all over the world.
There is a lot of shit but also some jewels
http://www.webtoons.com/en/

>>94508064
>Saying "don't be mean to Koreans" is as foolish as saying "gas the koreans, racewar now!"
This is why it's worthless to tiptoe around the problem of racism like so. Pretending those statements are even remotely equivalent accomplishes nothing, no matter what the popular opinion is.


yes I know Koreans are racist right back, doesn't change my point.

>>94504147
japs aren't trying their gosh darn hardest to be quirky and just pumping shit out naturally

>>94508274
It's both dude

>>94508338
The East Asian hate triangle is something to behold.

It's somewhat amazing to see such a raw deep-seated cultural loathing of each other. Nothing in west can really compare.

>>94507521
Shota is a body type.

>>94508403
it's both what? It's a mediocre manga. It's not bad, but it's only interesting if it's the first battle/high school shonen you've read

>>94507328
It doesn't help that Japan has a had time acknowledging just how shitty they were before and during WWII. Lots of historical revisionism.

>>94508425
The ranking system both exists to serve the purposes of showcasing a shounen goal as well as being a flawed method of measuring a hero

>>94505716
>As a result, little boys in the 50's through the 70's/part of the 80's were the only real comic consumers
Nah this is wrong. There was a really good series about the history of comics that touched on this. Romance comics were fucking HUGE for ages until the cost went up. When prices started flying up faster than wages they were the first victims. People stopped buying them.

>>94508407
The only way the west could have something similar is if Germany had been totally unrepentant about WW2 and denied any war crimes.

>>94508478
Yeah basically this. Korea and China are a bit more chill, just political tensions.

>>94507521

That's hobbit years though.

So he's really like, 29.

>>94507825
>Hero Academia doesn't put much care about the ranking thing, only assholes like Endeavor obsess over it
Everybody in this series is obsessed with making it to "the top". The Sports Festival had an entire test that was explicitly meant to be a simulation of the world of pro heroes, with all the heroes going after each other trying to reach the top.

>>94508489
the ranking system exist because it exists in real life in japan and it's a source of anxiety for japanese teenagers. So they put the system ranking in their manga-almost all shonen have a ranking system- because they are used to it, but they also use it to complain about its flaws and mayeb to show the protagonist, whom the readers identify with, somehow break the system, either by beating it or by showing how flawed it is.
hero academia is doing nothing special here.

>>94508315
>gays
What? You referencing the single gay Jock in Paranorman?

>>94507454
Not just effort. She was smart. She handled a lot of her deals with publishers and licensing and ensured she wouldn't be receiving the short end of the stick.

This combined with her break out hits make her way wealthier than even Oda, who has been smashing the competition for years.

>>94508495
>>94508407
I wish americans would shut up about other nations

>>94508563
That's what I just said. Shounen stories have ranking systems because they reflect the rankings of Japanese schools. Hero Academia uses it in order to fulfil the obligatory "I wanna be the best" angle and show how dumb it is for measuring superheroes.

>>94508628
and again that's what almost all shonen do. hero academia is doing nothing special.

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>>94507457
Really?

>>94506662
Yeah, it's a major difference between American superheroes and the superheroes in BnHA.
American heroes don't see other heroes as rivals. They will get into fights and arguments, but it's never over dickmeasuring contests over who is more popular or who is better at some arbitrary rankings, but differences of opinion, ideology or personal issues. Heroes see other heroes as fellow heroes. Heroism isn't a zero-sum game, if another hero does better than you, nobody gets mad. What drives heroes is the desire to help others, and they strive to be the best heroes they can possibly be, not to be better than everyone else.
Meanwhile, in the BnHA world, heroes and students see others as rivals that they must compete against and crush. They are motivated by a desire to be better than others and beat some arbitrary rankings. Shonen Manga is just way to obsessed with rivalry and portraying it as the bestest thing ever when in reality it can get quite toxic.

>>94508613
In that case, you should shut up about America and never say anything about our political process or economy.

Why does /co/ have such nice /a/ discussions? Do our two worlds truly belong together?

>>94508706
I can talk about things I know. The problems with american talking about other nations is that they say moronic stuff.

>>94508676
I didn't say it was special. Can you read?

>>94508755
>>94508613
>implying I'm american
>implying that I don't know about the hate-triangle because I'm part of it

>>94505716
Bullshit. Girls comics were a thing up until the 90s here and plenty of girls bought and read stuff like the Beano, the Dandy, Whizzer and Chips, etc.

>>94508743
Only when we're shitting on western women

>>94506805
>Yamato Damashii
What does this mean exactly?

>>94507952
>in-universe the ranking system is seen as retarded
When? I've never seen anyone actually criticize the ranking system.

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>>94504147
>japanese comic industry is more creator driven
>japanese comic industry has a notable history of female comic creators, spanning from the beginnings of the industry

There, that's the answer, which you would know if you actually cared about manga or Americomics.

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>>94508975
*licks your blood*

>>94508943
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-damashii
Nip nationalism.

Sometimes it's annoying, other times it's cute. I don't really find it better or worse than any of those "AMERICA FUCK YEAH" stuff though, it's just standard stuff.

>>94508789
but you evidently don't know about "the west", since you kept sayign that there's nothign like it in the west

>>94508998
He didn't criticize the ranking system itself though. He criticized "fake" heroes that only care about money. Notice how whenever characters talk about Stain or things they agree with him about, rankings are never mentioned.

>>94505220
Chilchak was obviously male from the start of the manga. They even use male pronouns but then again im not retarded

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>>94508943
Japanese spirit. What we call "asspulls" makes perfect sense within their philosophy.

>>94509025
There's nothing quite like it on the raw cultural level. The racial hatred is so ingrained that it reaches the higher echelons of politics and international politicians.

>>94508975
The entire point of the villains organization is that they all hate the system

>>94509102
No, Stain hates the system because he believes it has corrupted the "fake" heroes. The Villain Alliance just hate heroes in general. And again, nodboy ever brings up rankings as a flaw.

>>94509097
To amend to this, I think the only thing that comes close would be Poland to Russia and Germany.

I remember the moment when the Crimea Annexation happened the first thing that they did was mobilize the army.

>>94509081
I don't really see how that image is any different to most American superhero fights.

>>94509097
>>94509154
still talking shit I see

>>94509024
You don't really see AMERICA FUCK YEAH in superhero comics anymore though. Not since the 60s.

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>>94508407
It really is something to behold. It's like they all are Black Manta and the see the other two as Aquaman.

>>94508478
Abe was the first sitting leader to stop by pearl harbor

>>94506662
It's all about those Confucian civil service exams. Everything has to be certified and have a written test, tho its better subverted.
In Naruto, in order to pass the promotion exam you need to pass a written exam and two practical field exams. But if you haven't done your homework on the theory of spycraft, it becomes a field test for covert surveillance and psych evaluation of your attitude towards your team (you could quit and bring the rest of your team down with you if you chicken out at the last minute, because if you take the shot and fail, you fail and don't get to try again - but the correct answer is to try to take the shot at all and make the hard decision to possibly sacrifice yourself for the good of the team).
The whole point of OPM is "what makes a hero" and it sure as shit isn't a paper test.

>>94504936
>This isn't to say that it's not true that the Japanese industry isn't free of the shit /co/ bitches about. The industry is incredibly apolitical at large in either direction and the weird internet personality culture that's popped up recently. However, it does have it's own problems and it's not like it's not free of its own censorship mores. Editorial mandated bullshit is actually more prevalent than you might expect. If there's ever some sort of cute mascot or worse girl wins, you can usually thank editorial. Marketability is always factor in the larger magazines. Not to mention the usually discussed near slave labor hours most have to work to keep up. The grass is always greener.

I read about the manga industry from Colleen Doran. It's was an interesting read. She talks about how mangaka work long hours and at times "can" the mangaka and their assistants in a room so the can finish a weekly manga chapter. How assistants get fucked over credit and pay by the publishers. They're not paid by the publisher but the mangaka pays them.

Creator driven manga isn't a thing unless it's a webcomic. Editors have so more pull that can dictate the direction of a manga. Oda could end One Piece but since it sells very well, the editor can make Oda make One Piece keep going.

>>94507578
Don't forget that the egos clashing makes for rivalries between allied services and their members, ie local police v FBI v CIA, military branches, etc. you see it in Fire Brigade of Flames where everyone is trying to prove they have the best unit.
I read a great article on how it affects Star Wars.
https://www.overthinkingit.com/2012/09/17/star-wars-empire-inter-service-rivalries/

>>94507892
>Or that you think the entire industry operates like Marvel and/or DC.
A lot of new Indie books kinda do feel like movie/tv show pitches as of late.

>>94507126
While I would not contest that JoJo is a meme series, it's certainly not a dime a dozen (it's as old as Ranma and is still going) and there's really nothing quite like JoJo.

>>94509312
>Attack Japan
Pffthahahahaha, the fact that this was even an option is fucking hilarious.

>>94504490
Nah japs like to keep their identity a secret most of the time, like for the longest time people tought a girl wrote konosuba when it was actually a dude all along

Even toriyama once made a little comic about his life and how he felt ashamed when someone recognized him while he was looking at porn magazines

>>94509441
Yup, at the end of the day, fomenting a culture of rivalry doesn't make everyone strive to do their best, it makes everyone try to undermine and sabotage everyone else.

>>94509529
It's a meme series in the western fandom's eyes.

>>94509601
To be fair, Natsume is a pretty fucking girly name.

>>94504213
Do you feel better now, anon?

>>94505354
I remember Ryoko Kui had a website about 10 years ago called "There was Dragon in the West" with lots of her webcomics. She had this whole fantasy saga ongoing. Too bad she shut it down since she became a professional. I wish she decides to publish her old works someday.

>>94507825
The lack of powerlevel shit is why JoJo is the best shonen

>>94505315
>government controlled education is what makes people stupid

>>94508296
This is accurate for the most part. Sure some women like Bara and draw it, but Bara is usually more for other gay demographic.

>>94508682
No.

>>94504147
Its the culture. also I would say American women are obsessed with the fact that they are women, for them it often comes before the fact that they are people (not all but most)

>>94504936
I have seen some bottom of the barrel stuff picked up with no problems

>>94508217

I know about the good comedy and gag webcomics made by women, but are there and good story focused ones?

inb4 >good story based webcomics
inb4 >good webcomics

>>94509828
Unsounded?

>>94505716
Haha
Jezus.

>>94509851
Oh yeah, I forgot about Unsounded. So talented female comic writers DO exist in North America. No we just need to find enough for the comic industry to stop pushing bad ones on us.

>>94509977
>>94509828

Ava's Demon, too. Probably a good few others.

>>94504147
Because you're not looking at the literal book stores' worth of trashy fujoshit romance most Japanese woman authors make, and are only exposed to the cream of the crop you're sooonfed.

>>94509977
They don't care about talent they just hire random schmucks from Twitter. Gabby Riviera has like no writing experience what so ever. She's just a hispanic lesbian figure on social media who got hired to write America Chavez.

Marvel is pretty much only surviving because of the MCU and Disney, were they not getting help up by that then their suicidal business decisions would have bankrupted them immediately.

>>94506662
You should read the spin off My Hero Academia: Vigilantes

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>>94509977
>muh comic industry

You do realize why talented female writers--and male ones for that matter--would rather write for themselves and not for some big corporation, right?

>>94506526
haha, what the fuck?
why the fuck is time travel forbidden?

>>94510208
Maybe if you time travel you could find out how the revolution actually was
That in turn would call into question the official history, which is unacceptable

>>94505956
Nezha, their Batman, strangled his first criminal when he was a kid and killed all the upper class fucks and the criminals connected to them a couple of months later is what I mean.

There were no survivors.

They also like lampooning how their society works, which falls into the same category of crimes as talking about the mechanisms of the great firewall.

>>94510208
It gives people ideas that they can change things. China is incredibly oppressive, but there's historical precedent for why they do it.

Some guy in China once thought he was Jesus's brother. 30 million people died.

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>>94506526
>Ghost Stories/ the undead.

Apparently Ghost stories are okay if you make them like those japanese animes and for export... which naturally means that the base quality take a huge fucking hit right out of the gate, sadly.

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>>94504147
Japanese mangaka are self-made.

They understand that girls are girls are girls and that means they are at the very least highly more prone to specific subject matter than others.
Specific art styles and character designs.
Japan has Rumiko Takahashi and just all of Clamp.

The US has, lets just cut the shit and call them what they are, diversity hires.

They like to complain in their writing, virtue signal and generally not have any real skill in writing or art.
They don't bust their ass the way a bunch of little asian ladies do.
They go though life with a vindictive chip on their shoulder.
The vast majority are not interested in actually making something for little girls or teenage girls to enjoy, they think what they instinctively like is just conservative brainwashing.
They want them to act like boys because acknowledging femininity even exists is "enforcing gender stereotypes".

>>94510281
>Some guy in China once thought he was Jesus's brother. 30 million people died.

This sounds like a setup to a "It's Always Sunny" episode.

>>94510808
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
>The Taiping Rebellion began in the southern province of Guangxi when local officials launched a campaign of religious persecution against a millenariansect known as the God Worshipping Society led by Hong Xiuquan, who believed himself to be the younger brother of Jesus Christ.
>The war was the largest in China since the Qing conquest in 1644, and it also ranks as one of the bloodiest wars in human history, the bloodiest civil war and the largest conflict of the 19th century, with estimates of the war dead ranging from 20–70 million to as high as 100 million, with millions more displaced.

Chinese Civil Wars are some shit.

>>94510808
>>94510945

- When has anything bad ever happened to jesus's family and the jews? It's gonna be fine.

"Hong Xiuquan gets 30 million killed"

>>94509389
>Creator driven manga isn't a thing unless it's a webcomic. Editors have so more pull that can dictate the direction of a manga. Oda could end One Piece but since it sells very well, the editor can make Oda make One Piece keep going.

This is a really misinformed statement. Editors have nowhere near the amount of pull you are saying they have. Artists have abruptly ended series because they don't like how it is going. Editors can't force the artist to work. Yu Yu Hakasho ended abruptly because the author didn't like how things were progressing so he cut it short.

Another example of defying the editors is with the series Black Jack ni Yoroshiku. The author canceled his contract with the publisher, demanded they stop publishing his manga, removed copyright protection from his manga, and published the whole series online. He published the sequel in a different magazine published by a different publisher.

If Oda wanted to end his manga, there is probably very little his editor or publisher could do to stop him.

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>>94507328
'Discrimination' is a very convenient plot thread as a writer. Its a pre-made conflict with dozens of options to work with, both in symbolic racism and realistically portrayed racism. Everyone can relate to feeling like they got left out not because of themselves, but because of some inherent trait that is looked down upon. So worldwide, no matter the perspective of the country, the story device of racism is constantly used.

As for the Japanese/Korean relationship, that's a long and complicated issue tangled up in prior conflicts, but when it comes to things like their take on black people or hispanic people or even caucasian people, its largely out of complete lack of knowledge. Like somebody else in the thread said, Japan is a very homogenized country so the likelihood that they'll even see anyone who isn't Asian is low. Its like seeing a fucking leprechaun.

I haven't finished the whole thread, and I don't really read cape comics. But I wonder if the problem is women in the west writing cape comics vs. women in Japan writing a /wider/ variety of genres. Maybe women's cultural inclinations don't translate to superheros.

>>94511291
That's certainly an interesting theory. Superheroes are traditionally a male power fantasy.

>>94509389
>Editors have so more pull that can dictate the direction of a manga.

Reality's a lot less straightforward than that and how the actual relationship pans out depends on both the personality of the editor and the artist. They'll use whichever methode they are skilled in to get the work in on time, which can indeed really range from begging to manhandling and detaining the artist.

Companies will take editors off projects if they aren't happy with their results and the mangaka themselves too can ask for somebody else if THEY feel they aren't getting the sort of support they require. Editors are basically there to keep their projects in the magazine's lineup as long as possible, both by making sure the printers get the pages on time and by acting as a go-betweener between the artist's vision and the magazine's guidelines and the viewer's tastes.

The position really isn't comparable to US editors, whose main jobs seemed to be putting the next le epic arc into written form and tell the writers to fill the holes in their plan and then making sure that neither artists nore writers do research on anything.

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>>94507328
>I've yet to see a Manga just outright acknolwedge the fact that Japan itself is pretty racist towards Koreans and others.

Zetsubou Sensei is pretty great. Dude even made an episode that had the characters outright saying that you should never, ever go even temporarily Imperial Japan.

He also was involved in that gag series about cute girls lampooning common nationalist sentiments.

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>>94504147
I think it might help that manga has more story diversity, while anything that isn't inherently DC/Marvel (and maybe Dark Horse) is considered at least borderline indie in America. Of course a lot of comic artists do a shit job when they have the constraint of one story type choice. They'll inevitably start to project what they actually want to be working on into the shit that they have to work on (if they want to keep a job, anyways). In contrast we have Japanese artists like Rumiko Takahashi working on popular wacky romcoms like Ranma or dark horrors like the Mermaid series, which is clearly what she's good at. Note that her work started getting shit the more 'shonen' it got.

IDW has started to kinda spread out from that, but their most successful stuff is still semi-superhero stuff like TMNT. It's something of a black hole that sucks all writers down. I'm not saying anything is wrong with superheroes, it totally has its place in the pantheon of storytelling and clearly has social value, its just that with its severe domination its become a black hole for talented people and progressive shits alike.

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>>94508175
>>94508358

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>>94511913

>>94509389
>editor can make Oda make One Piece keep going
How? Is Oga legally obligated to deliver a new chapter?

>>94511943
Holy shit, is that seriously Yuzuki N?

She's a QT.

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Weebs still count as American made.

>>94509697
Teachers having difficulty with even being able to teach evolution in schools without being forced to also talk about creationism probably doesn't help when it comes to increasing numbers of stupid people.

>>94508407
The English and Irish come pretty close.

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>>94511981
Yeah She showed her face now that she is kind of doing more mainstream stuff https://myanimelist.net/people/9057/Yuzuki_N sad I stopped bother with her works since she cant stop shoving rape or cuck shit on it, I guess for my teeth rotting vainilla is only for female loli/trap mangakas .... Ootsuka Reika tried to go mainstream under the alias Mikage Natsu but it flopped so miserably

>>94508184
I hate the fact that I live in this same great country with a cuck like you.

>>94504147
This question doesn't need such an elaborate response. Female American writers write for themselves while Female Japanese writers write for their audience.

>>94505852
>Making money is a mistake

This is why you are not in charge of marketing.

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>>94511943
FUCKING WHORES ALL SECRETLY WANT TO BE RAPED BY POWERFUL MEN, I SHOULD'VE KNOWN REEEE

>>94504147
There are some good female artists in America, like uh Sana Takeda

>>94511943
>>94511981

Does she have any brothers IRL?

>>94509169

The only difference with the American cape comic is that the fight scenes are way shorter and the "choreography" is usually shit.

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>>94513527
Reverse Tsukasa Fushimi?

>>94511291
It's just one facet, but romance stories and comics could make bank in the west- and many do. Not even touching on Twilight and Shades of Grey, just skimming webtoons and tapastic comes up with tons of romance-oriented (not necessarily nsfw, stuff like feelgood relationship drama stories) comics that would probably fall flat with capeshit audience.

>>94508175
Isn't Shindol a female?

>>94513904
no

>>94504147
>good
have you seen those weird fujoshi yaoi manga and their gigantic hands?

>>94509601
This
Hell everyone was even shocked that John K Peta was actually a 13 year old girl

>>94514034
>reading porn drawn by underaged girl
this feels like it should be illegal

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>>94514034
well technically she's the one that draws but her brother sells it under his name

>>94514133
Wait John K. Pe-ta is seriously a girl? I thought that guy was joking.

>>94514187
yes, her brother is john k but she's the one that draws and she started when she was 13

>>94508688
Maybe, even if there`s still grudges and pettyness, albeit in a smaller scale. But american heroes have the oposite problem: dissorganization. They work like cats, or drug dealers, with their own turfs and villains.
Like how Batman is borderline autistic in any cape acting in "his" city without his consent. Or Flash`s rogues are considered to be Flash`s problem.

But Marvel really takes the cake on that. The Avengers usually have 7 members because the capes have proven themselves completely unable to function as a organization of 8 or more people. It`s amazing, there`s a comic in which, 18 heroes (I fucking counted) try to stop a mugging. They literally work on a mob mentality, they can`t grasp the concept of "shifts" or "scaled response". 5 or more heroes meet? they practically become some sort of Justice Horde.
Unless they`re mutants, in which case they don`t give a rat ass, unless mutants are already involved.

Both universes have their own way to solve this issues of coordination and information sharing: DC had the Justice League and the Society celebrating thanksgiving and christmas togerther; and Marvel had the Illuminati, which inmediatly turned into clandestine raids, unnacountable banishments, and absolute treachery.

>>94514227
Sweet jesus

>>94514227
>13
She was either 11 or 10 if my math serves me correctly

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>Tfw a lot of the fucked up manga that I like was written by women

>>94508217
Isn't awkard zombie done by a mtf tranny?

>>94514564
It's not like it was specifically designed to appeal to your demographic and particular fetishes.

>>94509025
Retarded Euro

>>94514630
But I like Dorohedoro and Franken Fran, and I don't even have a guro fetish.

>>94504147
to be fair, japanese manga artists are the best even among their japanese peers. There is a renascence of manga with female manga artists on the tip.

I like harem, lewd, shonen and edgy shit. But when you want something different, go to the female artists. They are doing cool shit.

Otoyomegatari
Usagi Drop (until time skip)
Kuragehime
Dungeon Meshi
Emma
Collectors

Those are some examples of good manga with good narrative.

>>94506681
>It's a shame her work is so boring.

if you are underage.

>>94506529
Did you just assume her/his/their/surr/parr/pop/shepr gender?

>>94504147
Japanese female artists understand that there are quality standards to artwork and do their best to uphold them

American female artists make up their own quality standards.

to be a good animator in Japan if you are female, you need talent and good contacts. To be a good animator in USA if you are female, you only need to be female.

>>94514227
>>94514187
>>94514133
>>94514034
can someone give me a source to that claim that John K peta is a girl?

>>94514919
or I'm not and just don't like her work

>>94514227
No wonder the anatomy doesn't make sense.

>>94504147
Because Japanese comic artists and fans aren't fighting each other over who gets to make fanfics for their corporate IP overlords and how. They're authors. You don't see this kind of shit in prose publishing, either.

>>94511997
Mary Cagle is a beautiful treasure and an exception.

>>94512053
>implying it's bible-thumpers' fault and not the entire nation's tendency to treat primary and secondary education as glorified day-care centers

>>94516011
yeah, underage.

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>>94512738
>he doesn't recognize the massive streak of anti-intellectualism in America
I think you need a break from those rose tinted glasses, they're fucking with your eyesight.

>>94508546
>The Sports Festival had an entire test that was explicitly meant to be a simulation of the world of pro heroes, with all the heroes going after each other trying to reach the top.

Actualy, that felt more like people practicing sports,trying to find a place in a big team by showing themselves in a small competition.

>>94517762
>if you don't like what I don't like your underage

>>94517839
In-universe the characters outright stated that the whole point of the cavalry battle was to simulate the hyper-competitive world of pro heroes, including choosing your teammates/sidekicks.

>>94517858
no, actually having shit taste makes you underage. I bet you hate old movies too because they are old.

>>94517970
I never said I disliked Takahashi's work because it was old. I've read and liked plenty of older manga and movies, I just haven't found any of the works by this particular artist to be engaging. Maybe you need to stop assuming any one with a different opinion then you is some kind of raging kid.

>>94514243
>5 or more heroes meet? they practically become some sort of Justice Horde.

Unless they decide they need to beat the shit out of each other for some god forsaken reason.

Unwarranted self importance.

>>94518258
Marvel Heroes don`t work too diferently from the Orks in warhammer.

>>94504147
At least until the late 90s, Japanese artists tended to have some formal art training.

Even the most ludicrous, fetishy sexual bullshit was rendered with loving care and precision, despite adherence to anime standards (big eyes, small mouth, pointy nose and chin, cel shading...)

Also, the Japanese have a cultural belief in getting things done right. According to their animistic traditional beliefs, everything has a 'spirit', so if you do things badly, the spirit of whatever will be offended. The remnants of this have seeped throughout their culture, although the effect of this seems to be diminishing, and their executives are just as boneheaded as our own.

>>94514608
no.

also she's a rocket scientist.

>>94504569
Eastern women are expected to have more responsibilities compared to feeeeeeeeeeeeemales in the west.

For instance, in the east, it's women who are supposed to manage finances and investments since the men are working all day, and will be exhausted when they get home. Likewise, Chinese and Japanese schools are pretty shit (the early years literally exist simply to socialize the young) so it falls on the mother to teach grammar, math, etc, unless she's ok with her kid being a slow learning idiot.

Plus, it's the women who have to buy shit, since the men are at work, so women are expected to learn how to judge quality and how to haggle.

Basically, in the east, women aren't expected to be princessey dolts (although they are considered mercurial and emotional), and you're a really useless woman if you're only good for fucking.

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>>94507214
>And yet, it outsells everything but One Piece. Money talks, bullshit walks.

It sells a lot but it doesn't outsell one piece, snk, haikyuu, hunterxhunter, and tg:re.

Anyway here's an elf

i guess amanda conner, june brigman, sara pichelli, colleen doran and a bunch of other people don't exist just like shoujo anatomy and yaoi hands aren't persistent jokes across the cultures that consume both

the fuck is wrong with you

Name 10 female mangakas that you think are better writers than female comic writers and I'm sure /co/ will name more female comic writers of better quality.

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>>94520830
>female comic writers of better quality

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>>94520830

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post a better girl in comics.

Protip : You can't.

Is there a girl character in manga that's completely unfuckable, but is still a well-written character? I already know there isn't in comics.

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>>94520928
Froppy

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>>94521108
Aw ye

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>When the author of Baki's daughter is making a grittier version of Zootopia

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>>94520928
You just have to give her your best smile

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>>94520928
>>94521222

>>94504147
>women
>ever good
Lel. Women are literal brainlets and can't create anything of value.

>>94520978
Such a thing is not possible

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>>94520928
>>94521155
fucking plebs, best girl coming through

>>94513033
Women want to be raped by attractive men. Don't get your hopes up.

>>94506563
>Winnie the Pooh is banned for being a meme on Chinese internet
please tell me why

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>>94511943

>>94507454

Too bad she has some of the most static, non-developing characters in the medium.

>>94521783
What counts as attractive, if not the will to rape?

>>94504147
senshi is so cute in that picture.

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>>94521807

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>>94522083

>>94522083
>>94522124
This is great

>>94504549
>having a no fun allowed Dictator industry is good

I want /a/, and /pol/ off my board for good.

>>94508407
Orly?

Franco Roman vs Anglo Saxon?

Protestant vs Catholic?

Slavs vs whites?

Celts vs Brits?

It's not as prevalent after ww2 but it's still there.


> hate triangle
It's a hatred of foreign elites/ nationalists fostered by their own elites to provide cover for their own malfeasance, and those who play along do so due to their own insecurity.

The average chink doesn't have much enmity for the average nip but the average chink hates the elite/ nationalist nips -And why not, they are atrocious and duplicitous and are not of or for the chink tribe. Likewise for the Koreans. It's just politics and fear.

>>94522311
>Slavs vs whites?
You what m8

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>>94513904
No, his old assitance Ogawa Burukku is though (real name: Brooke Stephenson / https://www.mangaupdates.com/authors.html?id=23957), ShindoL also happen to be American (born in New York / http://www.dahootch.com/)

>>94520886
>>94520903
To be honest, you 2 are laughing but, I got a few French Goddesses I want to post.

Lay it on me yall

>>94505352
>there are more better female characters in Jap-

Name 5 female characters and explain there character that doesn't revolve around how attractive they are.
I'm waiting.

>>94522244
But i mean if readers dont like it or it doesnt sell. You can make pretty much anything but it needs to sell and i dont see anything wrong with it

>>94509828
Stand Still, Stay Silent is written by a woman, but some find the pacing too slow. The worldbuilding and lore are well crafted tho

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>>94521862

I love that another mangaka got her permission to use her as the subject of one of his porn CG sets.

Not even as just a model base, literally "This is Haru Wamusato getting fucked and corrupted."

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Something that happens more usual in western media that should happen in manga/anime is the author literally putting himself as the MC

>>94519721

>everything has a 'spirit', so if you do things badly, the spirit of whatever will be offended.

That manifests in really creepy ways, too.

Every year they have a day for old, abandoned dolls to be purified and destroyed, so they don't generate hateful spirits that seek revenge on humans for abandoning them.

>>94517796

I remember during Obama's first campaign, the far right was literally using "intellectual" as an insult.

The trend manifests today, as well.

>>94522590
you, uh...you got a link to that?

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>>94522677
Ningyo Kuyo/Doll Funeral,traditionally is about burning really old dolls (less than 100y.o) because of the believe that part of you (feelings/memories) reside in that doll and that stuff with time stagnates and become negative energy/spooky shit so before that happen you burn it to release that stuff to heaven

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>>94506563
>>94521807
The Winnie the Pooh is just the lastest thing they did not so long ago, not the first of its kind, a while back there was the banning of Big yellow ducks because It involves one of their more aggressive topics that sound all their alarms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_Duck_(sculpture)#Big_Yellow_Duck http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335636/China-bans-internet-searches-big-yellow-duck-Tiananmen-Square-anniversary-clampdown-prankster-substitutes-ducks-tanks-viral-image.html

>>94522934
man, those chinese memesters really live dangerously
respect

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>>94505540
>The villains are more interesting despite it being generic shonen.

>No villain spin-off.

Are there any manga that star the villain as the main character in general?

>>94514034
>>94514133
>>94514452
>John K Peta is a thirteen year old girl
>was like 10 or 11 when she started or some shit

Holy shit what.

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>>94523005

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>>94522746

https://exhentai.org/g/832459/86c32ed408/

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>>94517796
>jitsu wa image

Good enough. Reminder.

>>94523063
schway, thanks

>>94522966
>China is a memepunk dystopia where rebels subvert the restriction of information by making everything they can think of associated with political scandal.

>>94523005
Monster

>>94523005
yeah, now the question is, do you want it relative edge-free? if not how edgy you enjoy it? like the MC rapes to submission his women or murder virtually everything? or both
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?category=Villain+Protagonist&orderby=rating

>>94522473
What kinda manga do you read if you think that is some kinda standart thing

>>94523005
There is way more under the antihero category (both edgy and serious) alot are soul crushingly sad https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?category=Antihero+%2F+Heroine&orderby=rating

>>94523005

Black general-san

It's by Jin, the guy who did the lewd elf comics

>>94522934
Where were you when west started advocating for china tier anti-meme laws?