Spider-Man 1: >Box Office: $821.7 million Spider-Man 2: >Box

Reminder also that Raimi movies have to be adjusted for inflation too

>>94457981
>>>/tv/85977458
Really makes you think

B-b-but MUH CHINA

>>94458145
Are you a triggered Homocoming fanboy?

>>94457981
You again? How have you not killed yourself DChump?

And it's $670 million now which beats Man of Shit

>>94458220
>Triggered
Nope, just casually pointing out that the same guy posts this on both boards right after the other. The first couple posts are the exact same as well

>>94457981
Don't even care.

Homecoming was miles beyond either ASM as far as quality goes and even then, Homecoming is already more successful than ASM2 given that it cost almost $100 million more to make and this is without China or Japan.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/homecoming/spider-man-homecomings-japan-premiere-poster-from-yusuke-murata-is-truly-spectacular-a153058

>Homecoming also still needs to open in China after a late ruling by Chinese officials led to the delayed release of September 8. Still, Japan and China should actively stimulate Homecoming's bottomline and fans should expect final box office figures for the Tom Holland-led pic to finish somewhere in the $800-$900 million range.

I'm going to laugh my ass off when that happens. This board, which is clearly overrun with /tv/fags, is so desperate to hate this movie when its better than most of the franchise.

Yeah it can only hope to beat the worst Raimi movie. It's textbook Spider-Meh, which is only better than straight Spider-trash.

>>94457981

it is going to do like 800 with Asia

disappointing but not completely terrible

>>94458278
Spider-man 3 is the financial high point of the franchise. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>94457981
What world do we live in where 648 million dollars is a flop

>>94458392
In Disney's World.

And you fags say Spider Man would replace IM as the face of the MCU

not with those numbers!

>>94457981
Spider-Man just isn't a draw bro, you need to fill his movies with A-List villains

Carnage and a proper Venom could nab $1B.

>>94458392

>What world do we live in where 648 million dollars is a flop

The world where actually making and advertising the movie COST MONEY, and 648 million dollars is GROSS, the studio will get at best roughly half of that money.

The Budget was 175million. It made it back plus the advertisement. This is not a flop

>>94458278
No it can't,if you adjust for inflation each raimi movie made over 1billion dollars,homecoming will not reach even close to any of the raimi movies.

>>94457981
>>94458066
Based Raimi

>>94458591

Of course it's a flop, as of now it has broken even, a movie which was supposed to be Sony Pictures number one money maker this year, it will open in China on september 11th (!), that's 2+ months after it released in the US, which of course will make for a lot less interest.

It IS a flop, it is underperforming and won't make Sony Pictures anywhere near the money they were counting on, and the NEED money as all their movies are underperforming or outright bombing.

>>94458591
>before release:
>EASY BILLION, BABY!
>after release
>A-AT LEAST ITS NOT A FLOP!

>>94458734
This. Everyone thought SpiderMan and Ironman would be an easy billion

>>94458746

>Everyone

Well I didn't. So I guess that breaks your ebin hivemind.

Of course it wasn't going to make that much money. We've had 6 Spider Man movies in 15 years and the last two were fucking terrible, fatigue was going to set in eventually.

Budgets
>Spider-Man
$139 million
>Spider-Man 2
$200 million
>Spider-Man 3
$258 million
>ASM
$230 million
>ASM2
$255 million
>Homecoming
$175 million

>>94458392
In a world where /tv/ shitposters claimed it would reach a billion, but no actual, reputable site like Variety or THR did.

Lets all ignore the fact that is the second smallest budget of a Spider-man movie and if you actually adjust for inflation, Spider-man 1's 139m is 192m today, so it literally IS the smallest budget Spider-man movie at 175m.

>>94458800

>ASM2 $255 million

Actually more like $300 million if some reports are to be believed.

>3 made the most money

Kek

>>94458888

>Actually more like $300 million if some reports are to be believed.

What's the point of comparing it to ASM2 at all, that movie was so financially bad for Sony that they had no choice but to reboot YET AGAIN.

>>94458936
And? you shitposters tend to forget that Homecoming has to carry the failure of ASM2 on its back

>>94458392
I hear you 650 million should be a healthy number. But then we have to count how much the actors were paid, how much money went into advertising, how much money the investors expected, did the merchandise sell, etc.

>>94458962
i didn't forget but sony they didn't learn from their mistakes.

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> yfw Homecoming will easily earn 700 million plus over the course of it's lifetime without Asia, possibly even 800 million if it keeps earning 50 million a week.
> yfw Asia could potentially push this beyond 1 billion or at the very least make it the highest grossing and most profitable Spider-Man movie ever.

Flop indeed.

Not that it matters, this movie could make a billion and people would still find something to complain about. It's modest legs at the box office is just the lowest hanging fruit.

>>94458975

Sony gets nothing from Spiderman Homecoming merchandise, that's all going to Disney

http://www.cbr.com/spider-man-homecoming-box-office-sony-disney/

>>94458962
Oh fuck you fucking goal post shifters.

Homecoming, even the fucking title, had the 'SPIDEY IS FINALLY BACK HOME WHERE HE BELONGS, and the Iron Man/Avengers push, and the 'We want the Disney Channel crowd' push.

So what do you all think of Zendaya saying her character is not going to be the love interest of Peter?

>>94459217
I hope it's true because soap opera bullshit needs to get the fuck out of comics.

We've had the Mary Jane story and it was done as well as you could hope. Just fucking drop it and do something else. There are fucking tonnes of untouched Spiderman characters and stories that do not revolve around romance.

Do a fucking Mysterio story already.

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>>94458926
Gee, I wonder why, despite being the worst of the Raimi trilogy, so many people, against whatever reviews it might have gotten, went ahead to see the movie in droves, anyway, making it the most profitable Spider-Man movie of all time. Almost like the marketing of this movie revolved around one character whose very existence in said movie got EVERYONE super hyped up or something.

>>94459083
>Holding out hope for china to watch this movie. Isn't that same arguments that was being used to prop up ghostbusters?
Nvm mind the fact that the spider man movies don't even reach the top 50 of china's top grossing movies. You some how expect that this will be the one they watch?

>>94459132
Yes and it had stiff competition with Apes and Dunkirk. And it was the third reboot carrying the failure of ASM2 on it's back. Should it have done better? Probably, but in the most densely packed blockbuster summer in the history of Hollywood all the rules seems a tad skewed. But this is all deduction after-the-fact, who can really say in the end without some buzzfeed/clickbait article to cement the narrative.

No moving the goal post goes to those who increasingly try to trivialize the fact that Homecoming is still outpacing all of its predecessors by most accounts. Because if and when this movie settles at 900m-1b it'll be the race swapping again that is the issue, or the "not muh spider-man", or the "no punches". People want to shit on this movie no matter what it does or how good it is.

>>94459217
As long as the actress doesn't talk about how she think it would be cool if they just killed Spider-Man off she's a keeper.

>>94459365
God i love venom. Fuck movie venom

>>94459385
They've typically earned 100 million in general. Even ASM2 did 94 million.

In the end, time will tell and no amount of spin either way will change the number.

>GotG2 BTFO by WW for the domestic summer crown
>GotG2 BTFO by DM3 for the worldwide summer crown
>GotG2 won't even beat BvS worldwide
>SM+IM won't beat BvS
>SM+IM won't beat SS
But /co/ and /tv/ told me all those non-Disney movies were flops?!

>>94458718
Underperforming doesn't equal flop. It's disappointing for sure, definitely on Sony's part. However Homecoming has made almost 4x it's budget so I don't see how it's considered a flop by any definition of the word

>>94457981
Morning in India already Pajeet?

>>94459415
I can tell you're just talking out of your ass since both GOTG2 and Homecoming have made more profit than BvS did

>>94459415
> cherry picking domestic market in WW's favor
> Comparing a PG-13 cape movie to a PG CGI kids movie
> Comparing GotG to a movie featuring the two biggest character in comic book history going toe to toe
> Iron Man was only in the movie 10-15 minutes and the movies wasn't billed as Spider-Man vs Ironman unlike BVS which was a Civil War analog not homecoming
> If only Homecoming had been marketed to Hot Topic Tweens

Here's your (you)

>>94459496
B-b-b-b-but that argument is only valid when comparing Skwad to Civil War! It only counts when the numbers are in DC's favor!

>>94459273
>>94459387
Is like to see how a trio would look.

>Ned and Michelle bantering
>Peter having to put up with it.

>>94459412
>They've typically earned 100 million in general

nope average for all spider man movies in china the average was 55 Million thats the amount of money you should be expecting.

>>94459578
100 million wouldn't surprise me at all. Not that either of us arguing over it is going to change how it does.

>>94458392
In a world where the value of the dollar is on a steady decline

>>94457981
10/10

>>94459129
I wonder how spider-mans toy sales are doing.

>Still no CAMRIP

>>94459412

>They've typically earned 100 million in general. Even ASM2 did 94 million.

China only returns 25% of the box office to foreign studios, and also earlier Spiderman movies have opened much closer to the US launch, Homecoming will be out in China over two months after the premiere in the states.

Those hoping China will rescue Homecoming are being desperate, Japan is a better bet since Sony will get more of the box office gross there (japanese company after all) and be able to market it hard since they have great a great network there.

>>94457981
How did Spider-Man 3 make more then 1 or 2 yet be the shittest out of them?

>>94459732
Homecoming doesn't need saved though, it's doing just fine, a bit more would be nice to quiet the haters though.

>>94459443

>Underperforming doesn't equal flop.

Of course it does, are you retarded ?

A movie does not make near what was expected = flop

A movie loses money = bomb

>>94459732
The final numbers will be what they will be no matter what spin you try and put on the prediction.

>>94457981
And despite all this, Raimi will never come back, and Holland will be in at least two more films..Keep jerking off to your numbers, bitch nigga.

>>94459779
Semantics that hold no universally observed value and can't be carried over from one argument to another.

>>94458392
in OP's murder world

>>94459682
Spider-Man is the only guy who's toys i see constantly advertised on TV. In Italy that is. Those from the USM series still get ads like it's anything new

>>94459732
Homecoming doesn't need being rescued, at this point it's more about making shitposters shut up, it's performing better than the TASM movies in every market except the ones where it literally hasn't opened but you still see threads going
>OH LELELEL COULDN'T EVEN BEAT TASM XD
Not like it matters, they'd just find another topic to shitpost about, or use outdated numbers like OP

>Dcucks losing their shit at Spidey being more popular than all of their so called heroes combined
kekeke, it never fails

>>94459869
Not sure if false flag...

>>94459869
People know superman and batman on the same level as spiderman in my country. And yes it has a shitload of people that is quickly becoming an emerging market.

>>94459773

>Homecoming doesn't need saved though, it's doing just fine

If by 'doing fine' you mean 'atleast not losing money', the whole point of this movie (which is Sony Pictures flagship release this year) was to make the studio a lot of much needed money, it won't.

They are bleeding, Smurfs Lost Village, Emoji Movie, Dark Tower won't make any money either.

>>94459995
Actually it'll easily make five times it's initial budget if not more. So this will be one of the shining gems among Sony's disastrous summer.

>>94459779
The movie underperformed in the sense that non-professional fans assumed popular hero + popular hero = automatic gazillion dollars but it didn't. But that ain't how it works, movies like BvS also prove it

But as it is in the real world the movie is making lots of money, it had a relatively small budget so no "it needs a billion to break even!" bullshit, and if it takes so little to be a flop then the MCU would've ended long ago because of all it's "flops"

>>94457981
Wasn't funny the last time you posted this...

>>94459779
>doesn't actually know what a flop is
>calls other anon a retard
Anon...

>>94459869
Kek this. Batman vs Superman with Wonder Woman is less profitable than a Spider Man movie with a glorified Iron Man cameo which has been out for 4 weeks with no China

>>94460062

What fantasy math is that ?

>Estimated final domestic total between 310-320 million
>670million worldwide as of this weekend without Japan and China
>ASM2 did 30 million in Japan and 90 million in China
>Antman made over 100 million in China despite it being delayed from July until October.

Homecoming will likely pass Spider-man 2's worldwide gross.

>>94457981
You need to adjust first the numbers
ASM 1 did 820~ish adjusted
Homecoming will only do 50m more than ASM2

>>94460510

Do you know what GROSS means ?

From Box Office Mojo: On average, studios earn approximately 55 percent of the final gross.

The theatres take ~45% of the DOMESTIC box office gross, more if the movie isn't a hit (this is in order to protect theatres), for foreign gross the take is lower for the studio, for China the studio only gets 25% of the gross.

>>94460570
Lets use your percentages for another movie, BvS
Budget: $250 - 300 million
Marketing: $150 million
$330,360,194 x 0.45 = $148,662,087.3
$542,900,000 x 0.30 = $162,870,000

That's $311,532,087.3 against a $400 - 450 million cost.
Deadline stated that BvS made a net profit of about $105 million, yet your numbers say it lost at the least $88 million

>>94457981

Nobody is ever going to beat the original spiderman movie, adjusted for inflation, it is in the 1.4 to 1.5 billion range for a first time movie/capeshit origin

>>94458066
So do their massive budgets.

>>94462234
$821.7 million in May 2002 = $1,120 million in June 2017.

>>94457981
>Makes back just under quadruple it's budget back
Define "Flop"

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>>94457981

>>94462334
Pascal probably expected at least 2 billions.

>>94462405
Hollywood defines a flop as "Under double it's budget" and it's blown that number out the water.

>>94462098
That includes home video sales which are usually calculated at a certain percentage of box office totals. Here's a detailed breakdown:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#6d5d30a42fb8

>It warrants mention that as a former studio executive and current film finance consultant and producer, I have reasonably good qualifications for developing such projections. I should also point out, however, that with limited knowledge of the proprietary and confidential arrangements that Warner Bros has made with talent, producers, and buyers of the film, the best I can offer here is an educated guess.

>With that disclaimer out of the way, let's start with revenues. The current box office trajectory suggests a final domestic theatrical gross of around $345 million, and a final international tally of around $550 million. Of that $895 million in projected box office receipts, Warner Bros will get to keep around 52 percent of the domestic grosses, and a weighted average of around 39 percent of the foreign tally (that's 25 percent of the roughly $100 million from China, and 42 percent of the aggregated grosses from all other overseas territories).

>So that gets us to a sum of about $395 million in theatrical rentals going into Warner Bros' coffers. We can use this figure, along with some general Hollywood rules of thumb for projections, to estimate the ultimate revenues and costs for such additional lines of business as domestic and foreign video, TV, and the like.

>>94462448
cont.

>I'm going to estimate worldwide home entertainment, including subscription VOD and online sales, at $240 million. That's equal to a little more than three-quarters of the $310 million that Avengers: Age of Ultron took in home entertainment, against a bit less than two-thirds the box office figure. Global TV revenues should come in at about $125 million. Estimating merchandising revenue is tricky because the Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman franchises are already generating somewhere around $800 million to $1 billion in annual retail merchandise sales and probably close to $100 million a year net to Warner Bros, so it's anyone's guess as to how much incremental revenue, if any, Batman v Superman generates. Let's leave merchandise aside for the moment.

>So if we add up theatrical rentals with global home entertainment and TV, we get to a net revenue figure of $760 million going to Warner Bros. Against that we deduct costs of $250 million for producing the movie, $165 million for marketing, $84 million for global home entertainment costs, $30 million for talent guild residuals and "off-the-tops" (releasing related expenses), $15 million in interest expense, and reportedly around $90 million for talent participation to the director, producers, stars, and others. People like Zack Snyder, Ben Affleck, producers Chuck Roven and Chris Nolan unfortunately don't come cheap.

>Total estimated costs: $634 million. Deduct that from the $760 million in studio revenue and we wind up with $126 million in net profit.

Note that the grosses weren't final when this was written and he ended up using a figure $21 million above the actual lifetime gross of the film. Appropriately, his net profit figure of $126 million ended up $21 million above the figure from Deadline. Both sources seem consistent.

>>94462327

That isn't ticket sale inflation, you're using cpi, I tried something similar and someone pointed out ticket sale inflation is much higher than a direct dollar for dollar inflation based on gross.

>talking about the money that a movie made
>not even the movie
>on the comics boards

go back to /biz/ you retards

>>94462625

>Not realizing /co/ has been conquered.

Enjoy your second tier status anon. We're annexing.

>>94462709
So /pol/ annexed /tv/ who now annex /co/. And the circle of life continues.

>>94462795
You forgot how stormfront annexed /pol/

And then Reddit annexed /pol/ again

God nu/pol/ is such a fucking shithole

>>94457981
Hey OP I said I'd check in with you and see how patently wrong you were this week so here goes:

Homecoming is projected at $8.8 million this weekend, for a drop of just 34% from last weekend's $13.2 million. Put in context of the last Marvel Studios movie that's not only a smaller drop than experienced by Doctor Strange's fifth weekend, it's a larger gross; in context of similar movies released this summer, Wonder Woman's fifth drop was higher - 37% - for a $15.7m weekend. Wonder Woman then made similar drops every weekend until this one, and it's likely there won't be a steep drop until a few weekends from now when it's mostly out of theaters.

If that's also the case for Spider-Man, it'll end up on about $310m at the same stage (66 days of release). That'll place it about 50% higher than ASM2.

Internationally Homecoming is on $376m, about 28% higher than domestically. Assuming that final tally of $310m and the ratio hold, that's an overall final gross of around $707m. Wonder Woman, by comparison, is holding about a 1:1 ratio domestic:overseas, so while it's doing slightly better at present, we have to consider how Spider-Man's overseas share has grown in recent weeks.

As you recall, last week Spidey was about 16% better off worldwide than domestic. 16% to 28% is an increase of 175% in about a week, and while we can put probably a lot of that down to late reporting from different territories, the movie is doing well. South Korea is around $52m so far, likely to end around 60. The UK is over $30m and likely to end around $35m. Brazil, Mexico, Australia and even Russia are doing very well so far, and there's probably another 10 to 20 million to come from each, assuming they're up to date so far. If they're not - it's more.

A late summer release in China is also now likely - notice for distribution can sometimes be a matter of days, though a November date has been suggested - and that's anywhere between $50m (late release) to $100m (early release).

>>94459869
>Spiderman:670 millions
>Wonder Woman:793 millions
???

>>94462625
Have you seen how braindead anons sound when they're trying to make the movie look like the worse thing since 9/11? By all means, stick to the business discussion

Spiderman 2 was not a good movie. Spiderman 2 was a overrated hack job with a shitty story and a pathetic rehash of a villian. Toby maquire sucked as spiderman and was a mopey cartoon with no depth. The villian fucking sucked...doc ock was turned to a mopey shit villian with cliche motivations that paled next to fafoe goblin. Spiderman 2's main plot point felt utterly contrived and lazy...him losing his powers felt out of fucking nowhere and not to mentioned it popped up at convenient times(almost like a bad Saturday morning cartoon).

Grow up and accept that ramni films are awful films and that homecoming has a real story. Toby sucked as Peter parker and had no depth or nauance to him. I rather take Tom Holland over empty nostalgia.

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Our consolidated net sales of $676.2 million for 2008 were $190.4 million higher than net sales in 2007. The increase primarily reflects the $254.6 million increase in Film Production net sales related to the theatrical releases during 2008 of Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk. This increase was partially offset by a 15% decline in licensing net sales and, within All Other, a decline in sales due to our exit from toy manufacturing operations.

Licensing segment net sales decreased $50.8 million during 2008, reflecting a $64.6 million decrease in Joint Venture revenue (to $57.4 million, primarily overages) related to the May 2007 release of Spider-Man 3 and a $14.8 million decrease in licensing audit claim settlements, resulting from an unusually high amount of settlement revenue in 2007. These decreases were partially offset by increases of $13.0 million and $11.1 million, respectively, in domestic and foreign licensing revenue, excluding the Joint Venture. The increases in domestic and foreign licensing were primarily due to amounts that were previously recorded as deferred revenue until the second quarter of 2008, when most licensees were first permitted to begin selling merchandise relating to Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk, partially offset by a decrease in overages that primarily resulted from increased licensing contract renewal activity. The increase in Film Production revenue and the significant decrease in Joint Venture revenue caused 2008 Licensing segment net sales to decrease as a percentage of consolidated net sales from 71% in 2007 to 43% in 2008.

>>94465231

Consolidated operating income increased $93.6 million to $368.0 million during 2008, primarily reflecting a $119.3 million contribution from the gross profit of the Film Production segment related to the theatrical releases of Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk and the benefits of $21.0 million of licensing settlement payments and decreases in SG&A expenses. These increases were partially offset by a $50.8 million decrease in net sales from the Licensing segment, which generates the highest margin, which resulted in our consolidated operating margin declining from 56% in 2007 to 54% in 2008.

Operating income in the Licensing segment decreased $13.2 million, primarily because of the $50.8 million reduction in Licensing segment net sales resulting from the decrease in Joint Venture revenue related to the May 2007 release of Spider-Man 3, partially offset by the $21.0 million in licensing settlement payments and the decrease in SG&A discussed above. The operating margin in the Licensing segment during 2008 increased to 83%, compared with 74% in 2007, primarily resulting from the licensing settlement payments and the non-recurring SG&A items.

Operating income in the Publishing segment decreased $6.2 million, and margins declined from 43% during 2007 to 38% during 2008, primarily due to a $2.9 million increase in expenses related to our digital media initiatives in 2008 compared with 2007. In addition, there was a decrease in 2008 in net sales of custom comic books and advertising, both of which have high margins, combined with an increase in cost of sales associated with talent costs and paper costs.

In 2008, operating income in the Film Production segment reflects a $119.3 million gross profit contribution from our self-produced films