Why aren't more black /co/ characters nihilists? It'd

>>94431059
>>94431219

Why the fuck would anyone make their character be a nihilist or an objectivist unless the goal was to make them into unlikable twats with sticks so far up their own asses they can taste wood?

>>94431247
It'll be something new and interesting. Maybe they can work in a way where the character is a nihilist but with some twisted logic, still finds a way to be a hero.

Besides, everyone should subscribe to nihilism, especially blacks.

File: RCO015_w.jpg (598KB, 1290x2048px) Image search: [Google]

598KB, 1290x2048px

>>94431059

Hang on, we have somebody working on that.

>>94431288

>Besides, everyone should subscribe to nihilism

This should be good. Why?

>>94431314
Why is Doctor Strange's outfit a uniform? We literally had a whole miniseries where he teams up with other Sorcerers Supreme and none of them resemble him. Brother Voodoo didn't.

How come Evil Eye and Tony Stark just copy his style and call it a day?

File: 1496265435182.jpg (46KB, 968x786px) Image search: [Google]

46KB, 968x786px

>>94431345
Simple fact is there is utterly no point to life. We live and we die. Yeah we can create a bunch of social constructs to pretend there is meaning but in the end none of it matters. This world is a corrupt and dirty place that needs to end anyway.

>>94431059
He should be happy and charming.

>>94431360
She's wearing his cape. That's it.

>>94431389

I think you're just suicidal, anon.

>>94431389
Go back to watching Rick and Morty, faggot

>>94431059
I don't see how a nihilist could ever take up constant heroics considering it completely goes against the point of being nihilistic.

>>94431659
I've never actually seen the show. I do agree with the "love is just a chemical reaction" meme.

>>94431652
I've been pondering it lately but I'm not quite at the suicidal level yet.

>>94431059 a race that empirically already has the highest testosterone and lowest impulse control, would be truly dangerous as nihilists. gang members/drug dealers are already pseudo-nihilists as they think they'll be dead or in prison by their 20s. to throw nihilism into the mix is as thanos said "to court death". every black nihilist would be punisher level, but worse. the punisher at least tries to survive so he can take out more gang members another day. a black punisher would only care about would he's killing in the moment and never think about his own well being.

>>94431059
he's quite cool

File: mbrcbqlbrv3x5s9kvxmt.png (694KB, 800x494px) Image search: [Google]

694KB, 800x494px

>>94431059
Only if it's the same kind of nihilism as pic related.

>>94431059
>Why aren't more black /co/ characters nihilists?
it would be racist

>>94431288
>It'll be something new and interesting.
no it won't, there is nothing """new""" or """"interesting"""" about one of the worst and unending anti-hero trends of the last 30 years.

take your 90s and shove it up your ass you philosophy fuck

Nobody is a nihilist because if they were they couldn't justify self preservation.

Black people aren't allowed to be represented as anything except happy virtuous angels or constantly angry about race relations or, in Miles' case, just boring with no personality.

>>94433787
That's the polar opposite of nihilism. That's just morally well adjusted atheism. Bill sees no higher power, and chooses to do good regardless. Nihilism would've dispensed with the need to do good as without meaning.

>>94431059
Blacks have no concept of Nihilism. They only accept Christianity, Islam, and Afrocentrism.

>>94431288
>It'll be something new and interesting.

New solely for the sake of new is not really that interesting.

>>94431059
>Why aren't more black /co/ characters nihilists?
They lack the wicked sense of humor.

>>94434651
I'm sure you'd know all about that, anon

t. A black

File: 1420929488408.gif (3MB, 298x200px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 298x200px

>>94431389

If there's objectively no point to life, why would you not work to make what we have as pleasant for yourself and others as possible?

>>94434583
Self preservation has nothing to do with nihilism.

>>94434797
Because what would be the point?

>>94431059
because the characters are contrived

>>94434902
cause needless suffering is needless suffering. Its weird whenever i see a edgy nihilist that doesnt seem to get if life is meaningless why not try to enjoy what you can

>>94434902
>my life is only objectively these chemical sensations
>better make them as horrible as I can

>>94431314
When the fuck did Miles get so THICC?

>>94435035
>>94435054
Both suffering and joy are meaningless. It's useless to place stock into both those things.

>>94435159
That's future miles

>>94434620
No, it isn't.
Having no meaning does not correlate with any action. He chooses to do good because it's what pleases or satisfies his interests.

>>94431059
I always wanted to see miles being the inverse of parker personality wise. Miles would be a Arrogant, cocky person. But as spider-man, he is more respectful or awkward due to being around other heroes.

>>94434620
Nah a nihilist would realize it doesn't matter if they do "good" since it doesn't objectively exist and even if they did it wouldn't matter. However just because you're a nihilist doesn't mean you can't realize what is subjectively considered good and then go about doing said good.

File: bee7f4e4eaf1cf23957ee7cbefc717e3.png (238KB, 276x317px) Image search: [Google]

238KB, 276x317px

>>94434902
>>94435291
Because nihilism is kind of the most boring line of thinking you can subscribe to, there is genuinely nothing interesting about it or the people that subscribe to it, exactly what's keeping you from killing yourself if you're gonna spend the rest of your life spouting lines that could be fine in the scribbles of a 15-year-old angsty child that thinks had life figured out already? Life is meaningless, but who gives a fuck if I live a mark in this world as long as I get to enjoy myself for as long as I'm alive? Higher purposes are for insecure faggots.

File: RCO014.jpg (538KB, 1332x2048px) Image search: [Google]

538KB, 1332x2048px

>>94435159

He's swole now.

>>94431059
Most niggers aren't smart enough to get philosophical. That's the truth.

>>94431688
>"love is just a chemical reaction"
So is pain, but I bet you'd still obey it if I crushed your hand with a cricket bat.

>>94435291
So you don't mind the suffering, then? Shut the hell up, bitch.

>>94431688
>"love is just a chemical reaction"
Fucker, that is the equivalent of saying "My hand is actually just bones, muscles, and skin, so therefore it does not exists". Retards need to understand that that only means that love is not only a physical thing, but it is also something that can be measured. People who pretend this is some deep revelation need to reevaluate their education.

>>94431059
Because Marvel wants people to like Miles, and even though they're failing at it, it still beats if Miles was some whiny shit who moans about how life is empty and hollow.

File: 400-03921027en_Masterfile.jpg (31KB, 450x300px) Image search: [Google]

31KB, 450x300px

>>94431389
If life is so meaningless then why haven't you killed yourself already?

>>94431059
Because he would be even more boring if such a thing was possible

>>94437346
I never understood this as a response to "life doesn't matter", even if it doesn't matter someone might not want to die.

>>94437379
Why? If life is meaningless then it should make no difference whether or not you're living in the long term. You even said that the world is a dirty place that needs to end.

>>94437429
I'm not that Anon, it's just that there's always at least one "why haven't you killed yourself" reply to someone who says life is meaningless and I just don't get it, and in that Anon's case a more appropriate question would be "why haven't you gone on a killing spree?".

>>94436840
Philosophy is just a shitty meme for autists. Enjoy your self-existentialist crisis and angst filled with suicidal thoughts while you cry about Tyrone and Achmed fucking that white girl you wanted to date, whatever

>>94437475
>why haven't you gone on a killing spree?
Because it wouldn't matter whether he did or not. If he did go on a killing spree then something must have compelled him to do it, knowing full well he wouldn't be able to kill /every/ human, which would mean there's a reason for existence, defeating the purpose of his belief in the first place. If he was to kill himself, however, it would end the cycle. Since nothing matters then the only true goal must be to reach the end as quickly as possible before anyone else does. So what I'm asking is, why haven't all nihilists ended their lives already?

File: 1360624117185.png (120KB, 554x439px) Image search: [Google]

120KB, 554x439px

>>94437346
>>94437429
It doesn't make a difference but being dead is no fun at all. Fun and earthly pleasures are meaningless sure, but I still can experience them and enjoy them. As far as I know theres no pleasures after death, so why die?

>>94437475
Because there are still consequences for my actions, dude. Nihlism really doesnt change anything in your day to day life. It just puts you in your place

>>94437608
So if pleasures exist and if pleasures are the force stopping you from killing yourself, then would that not mean the meaning of life is to find Earthly pleasure for yourself?

>>94437565
>Since nothing matters then the only true goal
If nothing matters then there isn't a goal.

>>94437712
Exactly my point though. If there is no goal then we're all just sitting around till we die. Might as well pull off the band-aid now.

>>94437746
But that would also serve no purpose, and life being meaningless or not, people still have emotions that dictate how they go about their lives, I'd imagine "just kill yourself" isn't a strong enough feeling unless your life is just absolute shit.

>>94437810
So then that must be there's some sort of force that's keeping them alive.

File: 1341793011457.png (38KB, 148x231px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 148x231px

>>94437677
Well I'm not certain pleasures exist, but I seem to be capable of feeling them. And not necessarily, these are just things I enjoy doing and death is something I don't want to do yet. I'm just a weird ape thing constantly jacking off, theres no meaning there, no worth. A creatures will to live and their lives being of any semblance of meaning are two separate things man.

>>94437839
>some sort of force
Could just be that even with believing life is meaningless they can still enjoy it. I mean, most comics and cartoons are meaningless but people still enjoy them. Alternatively, it's just their body going into self preservation mode.

>>94437346
How does that make any sense as a reaction to life being meaningless?
Meaningless =/= bad
Also death is meaningless

>>94437854
The chemical reaction in your brain causing pleasure is in fact a physical thing. Which means it is in fact real. Since the only reason you live is because of your pleasures then that must be what your life is about. From start to finish, pleasure is what's on your mind, therefore the meaning of life is pleasure.
>>94437902
So then self preservation must be the meaning of life.
>>94437919
Meaningless doesn't mean good either. If you're going to die anyway, why not just do it now?

>>94437963
>So then self preservation must be the meaning of life.
What? How did you even come to this conclusion?

>>94437996
It's the only reason you're living. If life was meaningless to you then you'd be indifferent about death since it's just as meaningful as being alive. If self preservation is the reason living has more value to you than being dead, then you're living solely for self preservation. Meaning the meaning of life is self preservation.

>>94438051
Reason for being alive =/= meaning of life

>>94431059
Because white peoples would just say angry black man and shit all over it

>>94438124
The state of your existence is your life. Being alive is your continuing that existence. Therefore, being alive and life are the same thing.

>>94438207
So? What's your point?
(not him)

>>94438207
Anon, when people talk about the meaning of life they mean "what are we meant to do", if you're saying that we're meant to just live until we can't anymore then it's the same as there being no meaning to life.

File: aT9QH.png (147KB, 378x308px) Image search: [Google]

147KB, 378x308px

>>94437963
>The chemical reaction in your brain causing pleasure is in fact a physical thing. Which means it is in fact real.
I can't confirm that is whats really happening. Thanks to the idea of hallucinations, delusions, epistemological skepticism or the idea that we're all in a simulation you cant REALLY confirm anything is happening. Plus pleasures arent the sole reason I choose to live either man. Its just one of many flimsy reasons. I live because I'm already living, if given the choice I would have rather never been born at all. But I'm here already, may as well keep it up unless something shitty comes up

>If you're going to die anyway, why not just do it now?
Why not do it later?

>>94437243
Believing it is meaningless doesn't mean I don't mind it. My natural built in survival instincts will make me seek less suffering.

>>94438285
No, because if there was no meaning to life you wouldn't care whether or not you died. So if self preservation is the only reason you're living, then the meaning of life is that.

>>94437184
Pain is your body's natural alarm system to warn you when you're in danger. Not the same as love.

>>94438291
>Its just one of many flimsy reasons. I live because I'm already living, if given the choice I would have rather never been born at all. But I'm here already, may as well keep it up unless something shitty comes up
So then there's a force that's keeping you from ending your life. Meaning that you value your life. Meaning that there is meaning behind it.
>Why not do it later?
End the cycle, conserve resources.

File: IMG_1479.jpg (351KB, 1280x1623px) Image search: [Google]

351KB, 1280x1623px

>>94431688
>>94431389

>>94434902
Pleasure.

>>94438332
>if there was no meaning to life you wouldn't care whether or not you died
That's not how it fucking works and you know it. If someone enjoys life enough to not want to kill themselves that doesn't mean they think it has meaning.

>>94438246
The meaning of life isn't a universal answer. It's a case by case basis. If a man spends his entire life moving a rock from point A to point B, then all he knows is moving that rock. Since his knowledge of existence ends when he dies, the only thing he knows is moving the rock from point A to point B. Therefore the meaning of life for that man is to move a rock from point A to point B.

File: donald_glover_800x600.jpg (160KB, 800x600px) Image search: [Google]

160KB, 800x600px

Are you ready for this fucking nigger to get paid millions just to stare into a camera and mumble lines?

>>94437283
My hand is a physical tangible thing. "Love" is an abstract concept created by humans in an attempt to put that chemical reaction into words.

>>94438427
Yes it does. Because if they enjoy it then there must be some sort of conventional value to it. Meaning that there is meaning behind it.

>>94438448

He isn't playing miles.

Through, I do wonder what kind of movie miles will get? I heard the gravity falls guy is writing him.

>>94437346
My body's natural self preservation instincts prevent it.

>>94438465
"Hand" is an abstract concept created by humans in an attempt to put the limb that picks things up into words.

Why 4chan has such a struggle grasping nihilism?
Look, you don't have what's necessary to assess that anything is actually real, but we are limited to experience so it FEELS real.
If we feel it then there is no incentive to end it, because we don't know what will happen once it's done, but we do know that we seem to be experiencing "life", whatever that actually is.
We know what there is now, and according to our informational knowledge we only have this one experience. Why would you end that: It goes against rationality.
I'm not afraid to die, I don't think we are real, but I have no incentive to kill myself.

>>94437429
Suicide is meaningless

>>94438486
So then you're living for your preservation instincts. Meaning that the meaning of life is that instinct.

>>94437839
It's called self preservation dumbass.

>>94438473
>there must be some sort of conventional value to it
No, something like joy only has a much value as an individual person is willing to give it.

>>94438515
So is living. Therefore there is no difference between the two.

>>94438541
If there's no difference then why go through the effort of suicide?

>>94438529
Then the meaning of life is self preservation
>>94438536
So then value and meaning can be assigned to certain things. .

>>94438558
Why not go through the effort?

>>94438492
"Hand" is the name for that physical tangible thing. That chemical reaction known as Love is not physical nor tangible.

>>94438578
Because there'd be no point.

File: 57f.png (286KB, 889x592px) Image search: [Google]

286KB, 889x592px

(Philosophy professor Robert Solomon, at the University of Texas at Austin)

Waking Life: Chapter 4 - Life LessonsThe reason why I refuse to take existentialism as just another French fashion or historical curiosity is that I think it has something very important to offer us for the new century. I'm afraid we're losing the real virtues of living life passionately, sense of taking responsibility for who you are, the ability to make something of yourself and feeling good about life. Existentialism is often discussed as if it's a philosophy of despair. But I think the truth is just the opposite. Sartre once interviewed said he never really felt a day of despair in his life. But one thing that comes out from reading these guys is not a sense of anguish about life so much as a real kind of exuberance of feeling on top of it. It's like your life is yours to create. I've read the postmodernists with some interest, even admiration. But when I read them, I always have this awful nagging feeling that something absolutely essential is getting left out. The more that you talk about a person as a social construction or as a confluence of forces or as fragmented or marginalized, what you do is you open up a whole new world of excuses. And when Sartre talks about responsibility, he's not talking about something abstract. He's not talking about the kind of self or soul that theologians would argue about. It's something very concrete. It's you and me talking. Making decisions. Doing things and taking the consequences. It might be true that there are six billion people in the world and counting. Nevertheless, what you do makes a difference. It makes a difference, first of all, in material terms. Makes a difference to other people and it sets an example. In short, I think the message here is that we should never simply write ourselves off and see ourselves as the victim of various forces. It's always our decision who we are.

>>94438523
That's not how it works. If life's entire meaning is boiled down to the natural workings of the human body then life is truly meaningless.

>>94438387
There is no real working "force" behind anything, brother. There are just things that happen. And I don't value my life beyond but I like it. And liking things is also meaningless. I don't live or die for any reason I just do
>End the cycle, conserve resources.
THe resources are wasted regardless, may as well keep them on my side

>>94438562
>So then value and meaning can be assigned to certain things. .
Yes, but not any sort of objective value, which, in the bigger picture, makes it meaningless.

>>94438589
It has matter. Therefore it's a physical thing. Just like the air.

>>94438578
Because it's meaningless.

>>94438613
>Waking Life: Chapter 4 - Life Lessons
fuck, i didn't see that when i copied and pasted FUCK

>>94438614
Why do you consider the natural workings of the body to be meaningless?

How do you make a superhero like that?

>>94438602
Not really. If anything it take more effort to live. Just stop bothering buying yourself food and water and just sit there.

>>94438614
In your case maybe, but several different people answered several different things. You may continue to live because of preservation instincts, but other individuals have different meanings to their lives.

>>94438621
>And I don't value my life beyond but I like it
So you /do/ have value for it. You cant simultaneously like something and have no value for it.
>THe resources are wasted regardless, may as well keep them on my side
Why keep them on your side though. It would be less effort to just starve.

>>94438653
Your body is actively pushing you to live though.

What if you make up your own meaning of life, while simultaneously knowing this meaning is just something your mind came up with and therefore an illusion? Does that count as nihilism?

>>94438725
>You cant simultaneously like something and have no value for it.
Bull shit, I like comics but I haven't even bought one.

>>94438622
But your knowledge ends when you die. So therefore, as far as /you/ know, the entirety of existence just ceases. Therefore, as far as /you/ know, it is the bigger picture.

>>94438776
But you have enough value for it to look it up.

>>94438809
If after I die there's nothing then it's genuinely meaningless though, because at the time of death it literally did not matter.

>>94438765
No. That's existentialism.

File: 1488802879543.png (32KB, 207x252px) Image search: [Google]

32KB, 207x252px

>>94438833
>you have enough value for it to do something that requires no effort

>>94438851
But the moments you were alive did matter since it it's the only time you will be able to grasp knowledge. So whatever you live for in that entire time is the meaning of life for you.

>>94438891
No effort would just be laying in bed and refusing to get up.

>>94438902
>did matter
They literally did not because I am dead.

>>94438833
You're kind of cheapening the concept of value here man. Value should be something one cherishes and well,values. Petty joy and likes are very separate from something valuable

>>94438923
Refusing to do something would also be effort. You think the human body would just be fine in bed forever?

>>94438623
The chemicals have matter. The feeling does not.

>>94438923
You ever starved man? Or had a bed sore? These things are incredibly painful and endearing that pain requires effort naturally. Quite a lot of it.

>>94438634
Because it is. Just like life. It does it's job, nothing more.

>>94438927
You can't process that though, there is no thought in death. So existence as you know it is whatever you life for.

>>94438679
Life has no meaning.

>>94431314

It'll be funny when it's revealed that the entire reason she ruins his life is becausr he comes back in time to stop her from ruining his life in the first place.

>>94438930
Value
Noun
the regard that something is held to.
If you regard something as "something I like" then it was worth. Which means it has value.

>>94438998
If I can't process that then it just reinforces that they didn't matter.

>>94438483
He's playing Miles' uncle in the MCU. He was already in Spider-Man Homecoming, so if there's a Miles movie, he'll most likely be there.

>>94439129
You mean The Prowler?

>>94439040
Alright fair enough, but I still really consider these values to be negligible.

>>94435291
You say that because you've never experienced the rapture of true joy. I'm black, I grew up in the ghetto, I've experienced some of the most painful emotions you can imagine, yet I've also experienced serenity on a level that is awe-inspiring and can't be adequately put into words for fear of it not doing the sensation justice, which made me decide that even if life is ultimately pointless, I'm going to be positive about it until the end because having a negative or apathetic outlook is simply not living to me.

>>94431360
That series made no fucking sense what with the Ancient one having been sorcerer supreme for the last five hundred years, when were most of the other people sorcerers supreme?

>>94431360
The eye and the cloak are signature items of the sorcerer supreme.

>>94431389
There world doesn't need to end, it just needs to be purged of people like you

>>94438357
Love is the body's natural system to tell you that you like someone/something. That you find the sensations enjoyable. Since it is basic nature to seek pleasure over pain, love is therefore entirely natural, and desirable.

>>94431389
Eat more fruits and vegetables kid, you're probably nutrient deficient.

>>94431314
Seriously, I love how Gwen just keeps fucking over Miles.

>>94439016
That would be amazing, but I doubt Gwen would go evil like that.

>>94442917
>just keeps
This is like the first time she's actually fucked him over though

>>94443222
This is the most serious, but she did make things hard for him the last time they met. She attempts to murder a kid and makes the mom think that Spider-Man assaulted her son.

Plus, a minor one: when she appeared in Champions, she covered his picture up with her own. Harmless, but funny.

File: RCO024_w.jpg (615KB, 1290x1982px) Image search: [Google]

615KB, 1290x1982px

>>94442917
>>94443222

Gwen merely wants Miles to suffer, as she does.

>>94434902
If life has no inherent meaning, than the only meaning that matters is the one we apply to it. If there is no god, than there is no need for suffering. Go suck someones dick, have a good time, get drunk and live your life happy you miserable son of a bitch.

File: Gills... had a hard life.jpg (553KB, 720x1920px) Image search: [Google]

553KB, 720x1920px

>>94434902
Your life and those of the people around you would be pleasant. Things do not need a purpose to feel good.

>>94438930
>You're kind of cheapening the concept of value here man

Well, nihilism revolves around cheapening everything, he's just pointing out how shitty the philosophy is.

File: 59bb7ae0900b68dac939c287c7fcd13081a8151f_full.jpg (5KB, 184x184px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 184x184px

>>94447756
>stop not valuing what I value!

>>94431247
I think it would work if you surrounded the character with idealists of some sort like with Huey having Grandad and Riley as his foils. Even then, you couldn't stop 'em from becoming a morose cunt.