Does she deserve her success and is being held back by artists

>>94422103
>she
That's just an ugly boy, anon. Stop lying.

I'm worried I might think my art is better then they really are.

>>94422103
She's incredible talented. It's no mystery why Steven Universe got picked up; it's creative, cool, and marketable, and the creator is good at music as a bonus so that's one less schmuck you have to hire.

I'm so in love with her

>>94422103
She's doing well by representing minorities in her show; I'll give her that. However, regarding story telling, you'll find me more critical.

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Nah, it's just that CN knew it would make money. SU just takes the worst of Regular Show and Adventure Time and adds identity politics to the mix to create a property that targets this generation of teens. And you know what? It fucking worked.

I will give her props for her designs but that's really about it.

>>94422103
Why wouldn't she earn it? She's a rather talented artist who worked a good amount of years in the industry before managing to get her show going. She got to the tell the story she wanted to tell while she was on it and that deserves respect just because some people don't like lesbians talking about being lesbians.

>>94422103
She is very talented and smart, her show just sucks because of the way she chooses to run it by letting all of her retarded storyboarders off of tumblr do whatever they want. Pug Davis is great and I hope she'll make it into an adult oriented cartoon after she's done with SU.

>>94422103
I can't unsee a monkey-face from that pic.

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>>94422103
She kinda looks like someone with William's Syndrome.

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>>94422103
>Does she deserve her succes

yes.

>is being held back by artists worse than her


no

> or is she an amateur creator who got wildly lucky

yes.

>>94422103
didnt she want to rape he kid sister?

>>94422103
I don't like gay metaphors in cartoons designed for children.

>>94422103
She tends to be the best thing about any show she works on. She earned it.

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Shes actually pretty talented, but is held back by those around her. Steven Universe could have been amazing show, had it not been limited to a G rated kids series, and if the plot actually advanced at all.

Alot of the stuff she did before Steven Universe was actually kind of cool.

>>94422103
she's definitely got talent but she's holding herself back by enabling her staff's bullshit.

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>>94422204
YOU are the one who makes it about Identity politics.

Steven Universe has gay characters in the show in a way that is not forced and is natural with the storyline.

No one says: "Oh look identity politics!" if a show has only white heterosexual characters, and no one should say it when a show has some gay characters. if an artist wants gay characters as a part of his show, he should have the artistic freedom to do so and you should shut up your mouth and stop making it about politics.

And btw, Steven Universe is much better than Regular Show

I understand and appreciate what she is trying to do with representation and more mature subjects, while that sometimes works well, it doesn't always work. I mean fusing should not have been so blatently obvious in what it was trying to be to the point of Garnet spreading her legs when she actually combines.

But when it comes to world building, storytelling and consistency with thier art there is a LOT if improvements to be made.

There are sprinkles of world building under mountains of filler. And the characters are off model so often it isn't even funny

Why isn't Peridot a main gem at this point? she actually learned the value of earth and defected from the main force trying to destroy it. Unlike Pearl and Garnet who protect earth for self centered reasons

And I know Steven is fat and cries a lot is a meme but it's so fucking true. This kid cries about anything and everything and it gets grating

There is so much singing and crying in this show and a lot of it happens for no reason

There you got my input on Steven Universe OP, I hope your happy

Also Sugar should be ashamed of making EEnE yaoi

She got lucky

Also she's fugly

>>94422554
You're thinking of Lena Dunham, and she didn't want to, she did.

>>94422204
Have you ever seen an episode of Steven Universe? I dislike the show myself, but your complaints sound like near insane babble, I mean, Identity Politics? The fuck are you even talking about?

>>94422103
Why do you call this ugly boy "she"?

>>94422103
She deserves her success. Steven Universe is excellent.

Besides being the creator of Steven Universe, she was also a writer and storyboard artist in the early seasons of Adventure Time

>>94422103
Why not both? She's both talented but got incredibly lucky. She only had to work on one show and that show just happened to be a huge hit. And thanks to Ward having similar attitudes of "Let the boarders take control", she was able to put her touch on certain episodes while also getting the credit for it and winning awards for it.

She probably wouldn't be where she is now if she got hired to work on Superjail instead of Adventure Time or something. And I think that's where the luck comes into play.

>>94422686
>>94422642
Not about lgbt lol. I'm talking about consent.
Sugar said that she wanted to teach kids about consent, and fusions and how their done is basically symbolism for consent (and obvious symbolism at that).

The problem is that the target audience for CN are kids, and unless their older (and they'll already know about consent) and this'll pass by. It's really only there for adults to be like "Wow, I love the fact that kid shows these days are so progressive." And it fucking worked. It's like Mr. Plinket's episode 7 review.

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>SU staff board episodes
>quality fluctuates between average and godawful
>Sugar boards an episode or scene
>quality increases significantly
Why is this allowed?

>>94422103
>Does she deserve her success
yes fuck off

>>94422728
>Consent is "identity politics"
I don't think you know what identity politics means.

And also the subject is presented in a very natural way that is not forced

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>>94422744
>Zuke is on board
>"BETTER TALK ABOUT THEM SOCIETAL PROBLEMS EH?"

>>94422728
>consent
>identity politics

How fucking dumb are you

>>94422812
I think he means virtue signalling

>>94422744
Because Sugar is a talented person with weak leadership skills. The poor quality control came from her not being strict enough with her staff and not making the difference between having a individual style and sloppy boarding clear.

>>94422812
>>94422775
I'll take the L for saying consent is identity politcs (my bad) but

>And also the subject is presented in a very natural way that is not forced

Then what the fuck is this then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAhozLQLF-U

The whole scene is about how tricking people into having sex is bad. 'I’m sorry, it’s just so much fun being Sardonyx with you' basically translate into "I like having sex with you" without having to say sex.

The only people that won't see the symbolism are people that don't understand consent.

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>>94422103
She's being held back by other artists, but because she can't run her own animation properly.

She is skilled, but she has bad decisions. Two of the biggest issues, the Art Inconsistency and the wild plot deviation (I.E. Lapidot scenario) where she gave those under her TOO MUCH free reign and they went too hog wild with it.

>>94422744
>>94422862
Can you give me examples? I watched every episode of Steven Universe, and while some parts were much better than others, there wasn't a single moment where i thought it's "bad"

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>>94422103

>>94422906
This scene isn't about "tricking people into sex is bad". it's about the fact that it's bad to cheat your friends.

Fusion in Steven Universe is not sex. Rose had actual sex with Greg and it was not fusion

>>94422103
Both. She's really strong at getting her ideas out there, and she can come up with a convincing concept. Problem is, she can't put her damn foot down and she lets her artists and writers shit up what could have been a much more solid project.

>>94422934
This is a fake meme, she never actually said it:
http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1029773-anime-was-a-mistake

>>94422963
No one thinks the X was s mistake meme is real dumbass

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>>94422728
Nigga, it's literally never too fucking soon to start teaching kids lessons about the various aspects of life. You're sitting here telling me it's a bad thing that a kids show is teaching them about consent just because they might only fully realize it in a couple years.

>>94422906
What this anon said>>94422938. Are you saying the symbolism is too subtle for children, but not subtle enough for adults, or something? Or are you complaining that these lessons are being taught at all?
Also, you said SU was targetted towards teens, but the targeted audience for CN is for kids, but the teens won't understand the symbolism anyway?
The fuck are you even trying to say?

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>That feel when Sucrose is one year younger than I am and has already accomplished so much more than I ever will

>>94422938

Not him but fusion is highly symbolic of sex

It is extremely apparent if you watch the dances and the other character's reactions to said dances that it is the case

>>94423011
Things im saying:
1. I'm saying that fusion does not symbolize sex. this is just a /co/ meme

2. The subject of consent is not only about sex, though it also applies to the subject of sex.

Things i never said:
1. I never said SU is aimed at teens. it's a show for all ages

>>94423038
Fusion is not sex.

The one time Pearl closed the eyes of Steven was because she didn't want to steven to see the scary force that is Suggalite.

>>94423071
Garnet literally spreads her Letha for amethyst

>>94423054
What is this then>>94422906
Or did you get confused and think I was talking about you here >>94422938 in my original post.

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>>94423054
Different anon here.
Yes, it implies consent more than sex itself. However our culture heavily integrates the two, to the point where saying the word consent typically has any person from a 1st world country (speaking english anyways) brings sex to mind. Not to mention the actions that lead up to the fusion.
The dancing which is sometimes heavily implicit of sexual advances. The design of their faces as they reach the climax of the fusion dance. The THROWING themselves at each other.

'Everything' about Fusion heavily implies sex, which makes it fucking weird when it comes to things like Steven doing it with Connie, or the fact that Pearl tricked Garnet into fusing her, or the fact that this is heavily themed in a G-rated children's animation.

>>94423087
True, but it's a part of the dance anon.

Are you implying Steven has sex with amethyst when they fuse to smokey quartz?

Are you implying Garnet is just having a non-stop sex party or something that she doesn't wanna stop?

Fusion is not sex, just face it. Rose had actual sex with Greg and it wasn't fusion

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>>94422642
Motherfucker you leave snufkin alone.

>>94423106
Maybe it's because you have a very sexual mind and you try to interpret it as sex.

I will repeat this again: Rose had actual sex with Greg and it wasn't fusion

>>94422916
Watching the series it may appear heavily gradual, but when you 'compare' it on an episode to episode basis, even back to back, looking for the animation quality, it hits like a truck.

It's like...

When you watch a show or movie you easily lose yourself to the show or movie. But if you look for quality or just notice it once it fucking hounds you to the end. Idk what the term is but it's along the same lines as breathing.

Normally it's natural but the moment you think "I am breathing and I think about breathing" you can't help but consciously breathe, thinking about it.

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>>94422938
It's a metaphor you dumbass lmao. How fusion works is that both parties have to agree that they they want to fuse. If either party isn't feeling it, then they can't fuse. Just like sex.

>>94423011
>Nigga, it's literally never too fucking soon to start teaching kids lessons about the various aspects of life.
>Using T.V to teach kids basic lessons about life.
That's what parent and teachers are for kiddo. I don't think a parent or a guardian will forget to teach kids about this shit.
>B-BUT WHAT ABOUT SHOWS ON PBS?
Boi I don't remember any valuable life lessons from Barney lmao

>Are you saying the symbolism is too subtle for children, but not subtle enough for adults, or something? Yeah pretty much.

Also, you said SU was targetted towards teens, but the targeted audience for CN is for kids, but the teens won't understand the symbolism anyway?
The fuck are you even trying to say?

I'm trying to say that Rebecca's plan of "teaching kids about consent" doesn't fucking work when you're on a network that targets to eight year olds who probably don't care or even see the symbolism because they just wanna see fight scenes and shit. I watched Gundam Seed when I was 5 but I didn't even realize there was a plot to it.

>>94423088
Boi you're not me get the fucc outta here

>>94423151
You're being willfully ignorant to not see sex and consent as going hand-in-hand with one another and fusion primarily invoking those thoughts.

No one gives consent to let someone else eat their lunch or gives consent to sleep on their couch.

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>>94422916
Well as the show went on, the storyboards has gotten sloppier. Take Peridot for example, the first left one was her very first appearance with the robo limbs. Then we move on to the second where she lost them; originally she had good proportions, even if she's shorter you can tell she is a adult and you can tell how the robo limbs made her taller without looking weird. But as you go farther down the lines of Peridots the proportion becomes wonky, her head makes up for half her height and there's no way giving the limbs to the farthest right Peridot will make her look like the very first one.

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>>94423151
Did...

Did you read what I typed? Did you not see the evidence? So far all you posted was "Hurrr anon has sex on the brain"

Yes. Greg and Rose did the continental plate crush. He drilled her molten core. She took his deposits. He mineraled her geode.

BUT that doesn't change the fact that Fusion highly sexualized.

>>94423166
It's not a metaphor to sex, it's just not!!!

It's something completely different that exists in the fantasy world of SU that doesn't exist in reality.

Just because both sides need to agree in order to fuse doesn't make it the same as sex, silly. even for playing a videogame both sides need to agree

I believe she's super talented but her forte is episodic. Don't know how other artists influence the show's pacing, but even though the foreshadowing is amazing, it's getting on my nerves.
I'd watch a movie directed by her. But her crew in the show is really flawed.

>>94422103
how do you measure her success? Is her show considered successful?

It'd be a pretty nice accomplishment if SU beats out both Mickey Mouse and Adventure Time at the Emmys this year.

>>94423191
You can't just look at the evidence that seem to confirm your theory. you also need to look at the counter-evidence that prove it wrong.

There are plenty of things that prove without a shadow of a doubt that Fusion is something completely different from Sex.

>>94423193
>It's not a metaphor to sex, it's just not!!!
Christ, you type like a hurt little tumblrina who just turned 17.

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>>94423193
>It's not a metaphor to sex, it's just not!!!
>it's just not!!!
>not!!!
>!!!

You know there are subtle clues as to hint to a person's personality as they type or respond to things. How they word things or what they decide to put into their post.

You uh... You enjoying your safari into 4chan, tumblr-chan? Before the start of the next semester?

>>94422862
that's hilarious because I believe it's completely true and yet Zuke was fucking nuts calling her a sociopath

>>94422775
>And also the subject is presented in a very natural way that is not forced
Except in that one episode about street racing. Seriously, wtf?

>>94423181
I don't remember ever seeing peridot looking like the last three images to the right.

Can you please show me the episodes where she looks like that? (i'm not saying the image is not correct, i just want to see it directly in the show)

>>94423217
Sugar says she wants to teach kids about consent, fusion plays a big role in that, so either she is doing a poor job writing in her own themes or fusion is mostly an allegory for sex and consent.

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>>94423217
>you also need to look at the counter-evidence that prove it wrong.

Very true.
I'm waiting for evidence to counter my claim. Anytime now.

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>>94423193
>It's not a metaphor to sex, it's just not!!!

Now you're being retarded here. You have no tangible proof that it's not a metaphor other than "IT'S JUST NOT YOU JUST HAVE SEX ON THE BRAIN LOL"

It's past you're bed time kid.

>>94422103
She is held back by her terrible fanbase and thinking crying is funny

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>>94422642
>gays
>natural

>>94423241
Oh yha!!!! now it all makes sense!!

When rebecca black talked about: "We want to teach kids about consent" it was about that episode where the creep guy tried to approach Stevonnie without her consent.

That's it!

You see guys? you are all just trying way too hard to make fusion about sex when it's really not

>>94423254
>or fusion is mostly an allegory for sex and consent.
consent is not only sexual, but also romantic and about social interactions
fusing represents relationships and personal connections, no need to make everything sexual even though it definitely has some strong undertones.

>>94422588

That comic was fucking awful.

>>94423260
Evidence that fusion is not sex:
1. Fusion does not involve sexual pleasure.

2. Fusion is used most of the time for combat, suggesting that it's supposed to be an alien combat technique.

3. If fusion is sex, it means Garnet is having a non-stop sexual experience for years. doesn't make any sense

4. Steven fused with amethyst and connie. this would make zero sense if fusion was sex.

5. Greg had actual sex with rose, proving that there is sex in the world of this show, and that sex is NOT fusion

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>>94423166
>That's what parent and teachers are for kiddo. I don't think a parent or a guardian will forget to teach kids about this shit.
Yes, it is, and parents should be teaching those lessons. But you're saying it's a bad thing cartoons are reinforcing those lessons because???
>Boi I don't remember any valuable life lessons from Barney lmao
Are you really shit-talking fucking Mr. Roger right now, anon? Do you really wanna burn the bridge your standing on that hard?

>I'm trying to say that Rebecca's plan of "teaching kids about consent" doesn't fucking work when you're on a network that targets to eight year olds who probably don't care or even see the symbolism because they just wanna see fight scenes and shit. I watched Gundam Seed when I was 5 but I didn't even realize there was a plot to it.
So? You act like these lessons are the only thing going on in the cartoon, they're supplementary you fucking retard.

>Boi you're not me get the fucc outta here
The fuck are you even talking about! I never said I was you, can you not fucking read?

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>>94423246
>I have seen every episode
Bullshit detected m8.

>>94423276
Cool, let's say you're right. That episode was still one of the most poorly written episodes in the whole show.

>>94423181
the proportions don't look good across episodes. They're general heights relative to the character they're standing next to during an episode. Garnet is taller than Pearl, who's slightly taller or of similar height to Lapis, who's taller than Steven and Amethyst, and limbless Peridot is around Steven's height as well. Steven has faced a significant design change from season 1 to a more chibi, cuter form with less emphasis on fat jokes.

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>>94423276
>When rebecca black

Oh no they teach life lessons in a show for children! The horror!

>>94423304
I watched every episode and i even watched every internet short of the show.

Oh wait... there is only one episode i skipped: it was the Uncle Grandpa+Steven Universe crossover

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>>94422588
>a lot of the stuff she did before SU was actually kind of cool

Like all that EEnE smut she drew?

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>>94423320
Then you're either lying or have zero eye for animation because numerous, blatant animation/continuity errors make their way into the show constantly.

>>94423320
unrelated, but go watch that episode, it's not bad.

>>94423348
The only error i noticed was that the gem of Fluorite changed shape in the episode about the Off Colored gems. and it was such a tiny error it didn't matter to me

I'm sure there were plenty of other animation errors though, im just telling you what i noticed.

>>94423038
>Not him but fusion is highly symbolic of sex
Fusion is highly symbolic of relationships, romantic and platonic, not sexual ones specifically.

>>94423290
I consent to sleeping in the same bed with you?
I consent to sharing my secrets with you?
I consent to going out to dinner with you?

Really, tell me what other scenario people use the term "consent" in that isn't sexual or intimate touching.

>>94423327
GAY
HUGGING

that shit was too vanilla to even be considered smut to be honest

>>94422172
I think she does pretty well story wise, it can be frustrating that things move at such a slow pace but it makes character development so much more enjoyable, nobody would say the Steven of the first season is the same person as the Steven of now. To many writers try to make everything happen as quicly as possible so that later it feels like a character regresses if the series goes to long, like Korra.

>>94423367
This.

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>>94423327
Pug Davis was kind of like Porco Rosso in space.

>>94422103
Both. She's a way better artist and animator than most of her crew, but she's also a first time show creator.

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>>94423301
Okay, in turn.

1. The way fusion is described and depicted in the show, it does give immense satisfaction. Example; fucking Pearl going off the deepend to fuse with Garnet

2. Yes, that is how fusion is used in the show. You know, except for other aspects, like Garnet being a fusion because Ruby and Sapphire love each other, or Fluorite being a fusion of 6 because they love being so united. And just because they 'use' it for combat it doesn't negate the gem's approach to it in a bizzarely erotic (AKA SEXUAL) manner.

3-4. You're clearly not apprecative on how depraved people can be. Especially artists that depict work on DeviantArt and Tumblr. And the LGBTQ community altogether (seriously, reaallly out there)

5. Again, just because they had actual sex on the show that doesn't change how Fusion is depicted. But if you want to put it like that... Because Gems are SILICON BASED LIFEFORMS that is THEIR "VERSION" of sex, while we Carbon-based organic lifeforms have the sex we know. Rose just took part in Greg's version, Connie just took part in Steven's Gem's version.

I'm still willing to hear actual evidence to the contrary.

>>94423373
>I consent to sleeping in the same bed with you?
Yes. It is. And very crystal clear I might add.
>I consent to sharing my secrets with you?
Yeah.
>I consent to going out to dinner with you?
Also yeah.
Because in every situation, if you do those things and I don't want to, it's a form of harrassment.

>>94423246
I'll try my best ( there's a lot of episodes )

Third from right: "The New Crystal Gems" s4
Second from right: "Gem Harvest"? s4
Far right: "Room for Ruby"? s4

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>>94422588
Didnt she also make a little comic where she was in a love triangle with zim and dib or something?
Or was that Nefcy who did that?

>>94423373
In legal stuff

>>94422103
Both, she's not willing to crack the whip, but even if she was she still couldn't because she doesn't have the authority.

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>>94423359
Made me actually laugh. I had fun.

>>94422122
But he was great in spider man homecoming anon.

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>>94423276
Pic related

>>94423302
>Yes, it is, and parents should be teaching those lessons. But you're saying it's a bad thing cartoons are reinforcing those lessons because???

Out of all of things that need reinforcing via media, I really doubt that fucking consent is a major issue cartoons need to tackle.
>Are you really shit-talking fucking Mr. Roger right now, anon? Do you really wanna burn the bridge your standing on that hard?

Eh, fair. I'll take that L.

>So? You act like these lessons are the only thing going on in the cartoon, they're supplementary you fucking retard.

It's still apart of the show regardless, just because they're other things going on in the show doesn't mean it should be ignored.

>The fuck are you even talking about! I never said I was you, can you not fucking read?

I was talking to someone else you dumbass. How's that reading comprehension buddy?

The different proportions don't bother me that much but there really is no excuse for how bad it gets at times. Maybe if the lack of QC happened because of time constraints I could understand but I can't imagine they're under a particularly heavy schedule considering the constant hiatuses.

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>>94423381
>Porco Rosso in space

but that was like, Ghibli's worst film. Does sound p good tho.

>>94423373
the fact that you don't know all of the answers in your questions is "yes" worries me about how you relate to people and make you look, in the literal sense of the word, like an autist who doesn't know about personal space and boundaries.

>>94423395
>Because in every situation, if you do those things and I don't want to, it's a form of harrassment.
You're literally what is wrong with modern society.

>>94422384
>Pug Davis is great and
Steven may be occasionally insufferable, but Blouse is even worse. Why put viewers through a faggier, more pathetic and ingratiating Steven?

>>94422532
except for her huge as fuck Jay Leno chin. Sure!

Coincidentally I was going to make a thread about how ugly I discovered she was a few days ago.

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>>94423434
>Ghibli's worst film


Ehhh... I don't think so. But either way, if that's his worst film then the man is fucking fantastic.

>>94423272
silly anon, you made me laugh. kinda tired of the pic with evans laugjhing

>>94423440
You are a fucking creep, anon. And I'm not even a girl.
If people tell you "no", you don't force them to share the bed with you, or to dine with you. It is literal harrassment.

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>>94423440
Holy fuck, anon.

>>94423394
You are trying way too hard anon.
Pearl wanted to fuse with garnet not because it gave her any sort of physical satisfaction, it was purely mental, like a relationship.

>>94423327
>he doesn't appreciate the EEnE smut
Poor taste.

>>94423438
The fact that the English language is so vast and you still choose to use words like "consent" for hanging out devalues the word entirely.

>>94423466
>>94423484
Same thing for you and using the term "harassment". The only way it would actually be applicable is if they kidnapped you and forced you to watch a movie with them while you were bound and gagged.

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>>94423440
...But he's right?
I'm the same anon calling the other a ponce and arguing that Fusion is allegory for sex and consent.


But dude. Broseph. There's nothing wrong with wanting consent. How'd you feel if you were at some guy's place and was forced to spend the night. He said you can have his bed. Then later in the night he gets in the bed with you, while your'e going "Wtf? I don't want this"

Or, some dude wants to know your secrets. You don't want him too because he's an asshole. He takes them anyways. That's breaking your consent. Don't think you'd be happy.

Or you're out getting a bite to eat, and then asshole McGee goes up to your table, sits down, and calls a waiter and orders his food. You might be a little pissed and/or weirded out.
>tl;dr you're being silly

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Fusion is not sex

>>94423494
Anon, you are retarded and I wish to report you to the police.
Your shit is why girls believe in rape culture.

>>94423494
You're a literal autist.

>>94423513
You're an idiot and you're the reason why every girl thinks someone looking at them too long is considered visual rape. You're probably also the reason why only guys are held responsible for things like drunken sex charges being counted as "rape".

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>>94423440
Please don't go outside. Like, ever.

>>94423533
In a couple of posts is it going to come out that you're a convicted rapist? That really feels like where we're headed here.

>>94423507
>>94423523
>>94423536
>This many people who unironically believe someone reading your diary is the same level as rape

Whew

>>94423549
Wouldn't want to upset you with my words, you might consider it verbal rape.

>>94423181
>still using that intentionally inaccurate "scale" image yet again
You can't be this lazy, anon. But maybe that uneducated.

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>>94423508
Fusion is not sex.

Fusion is just this.

FUSION gives the gems great pleasure, because when two gems FUSE they feel eachother deeply and are connected. FUSION is also how they express love. But being tricked into FUSION can get Garnet super pissed at Pearl, who enjoyed FUSING with her so much because she felt so good and enjoyed being connected to her. FUSION is also a very special moment when done for the first time (as seen with the gems and Garnet flipping out after Connie and Steven FUSE for the first time).


Do I really have to tell you to replace FUSION with Fuck/Fucking?

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>>94423440
>>94423494
Holy shit, anon. Please don't go near other people unless your mom is near you. You might legit get arrested.

>that one guy arguing consent isn't neccesary

I'm pretty sure he is just an edgy troll.

But if you honestly think that then you need to learn some fucking empathy for other human beings

Season 3, Episode 11 - Beach City Drift

Now SU is full of laughably stupid "messages" on unimportant issues but this is the one episode that had my face contorting in weird ways. Every time Connie and especially Steven talked about how "angry" and "hateful" they were because Kevin "kept asking them out after they said no" I couldn't help but smile. Seriously, these people can't be fucking serious.

>>94423556
The fact that you're not even denying it really doesn't look good, anon.

>>94422103
Lucky, racist, amature.

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>>94423550
>Gives a list of examples of how not giving consent and having someone act against your consent is 'generally' bad
>Anon blows it out of proportion and immediately thinks I'm talking about rape

Bet you got a whole D- in debate class, didn't you?

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>>94423550
It's not on the same level, but that doesn't mean it's not fucking weird and creepy you fuck

>>94423573
>Look, he's taking my accusations seriously and not defending himself! That proves it, he's a rapist!

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>>94423418
>Out of all of things that need reinforcing via media, I really doubt that fucking consent is a major issue cartoons need to tackle.
Really? Making sure what you're doing with or to someone else is okay with them isn't something children should be learning about? Or that it's the only thing SU has ever put into their cartoons as a moral lesson?
>inb4 children should be taught by their parents
Yeah, they fucking should, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing that cartoons are reinforcing positive lessons to children, it's the shame shit children's books have been doing for hundreds of years.

>It's still apart of the show regardless, just because they're other things going on in the show doesn't mean it should be ignored.
I never said they were? You tried to say that kids just want to watch fight scenes and shit, and SU has that, but you act like it's wrong they throw in a moral lesson or two because kids aren't watching it to be taught things.

>>94423418
>I was talking to someone else you dumbass. How's that reading comprehension, buddy?
Did you even fucking read the comment chain? The person who replied to me thought I was talking to them instead of you, I wasn't even talking to you in the reply where for whatever fucking you thought I was pretending to be you, you fucking illiterate twat.

If that anon gets caught by the police I hope he announces he's a /co/mrade just so I can giggle.

>>94423584
>>94423585
Except you people are being actually retarded by purposely misunderstanding the post.

>>94423373
I specifically say "the term consent". Not just "consent". Meaning the actual word, as in communication. The fact that everyone here jumped to rape accusations shows how fragile so many of you are at the mere idea of someone sitting too close to you on the bus.

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This is why we should have an IQ test as a wall to this site to avoid this kind of people.

>>94423597
>Really? Making sure what you're doing with or to someone else is okay with them isn't something children should be learning about?
Children don't learn any meaningful messages from cartoons. Some messages are just more annoying than others.

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>>94423558
Fusion is not sex. they do not feel sexual pleasure, they just like being together if it's a good relationship.

And of course Garnet was pissed at Pearl, it's because she cheated her. this has nothing to do with anything sexual, of course when someone is cheating you it feels terrible

Fusion is not analogous to sex anon. Fluorite is not a non-stop 6 gems orgy. Fusion is something completely different that doesn't exist in the real world.

The best analogy would be relationship in general, but not sexual relationships, they could also be platonic relationships.

>>94423618
I mean you really shattered your point here when you brought up how you don't think drunk rape is really rape.

The show fucking says in the show itself that fusion is a relationship. It's really not ambiguous or up for debate.

Sugar? I like her work. I like her old work and I like.... SOME of her new work. But the ability to manage talent if an important skill, too. I don't know if she has that. Welll... she has produced something. I feel it could be a good deal better, but maybe not. Maybe she was a one-trick pony all along or something. But, yeah, it's cool. She's cool. No Coen brothers, but maybe some Cameron in there.

>>94423440
How about I put rat poison in your food? You can't bitch about it, and you better eat that shit up with a grin.

>>94423630
Two drunk people having sex isn't rape. It's bad judgement at most. If it is rape, then they just raped each other, but you know nobody sees it that way. Unless you actually think only the guy is accountable in those situations.

>>94423644
>Late to the convo but wants to be in the screencap

>>94422103
She got the audience she asked for, and everything that came with it. Everything that has happened to her is a direct result of her own choices. She deserves all of it

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>>94423653
That's still a thing?

Sugar is really talent, but she fucking sucks as a producer

>>94423597
>Really? Making sure what you're doing with or to someone else is okay with them isn't something children should be learning about? Or that it's the only thing SU has ever put into their cartoons as a moral lesson?

Because that shit is usually hard wired into their brains after they learn shit like this in most cases. In other cases? I really doubt that a fucking cartoon will convince them other wise since they're probably fucked up already.

>I never said they were? You tried to say that kids just want to watch fight scenes and shit, and SU has that, but you act like it's wrong they throw in a moral lesson or two because kids aren't watching it to be taught things.

I'm not saying morals in kid shows are objectuvly bad. But In SU it's just done poorly and targed towards the wrong audience.

>Did you even fucking read the comment chain? The person who replied to me thought I was talking to them instead of you, I wasn't even talking to you in the reply where for whatever fucking you thought I was pretending to be you, you fucking illiterate twat.

Ok, I think we're both fucking up here. Reading that chain it felt like the dude was trying to say that that was his post, so I made a jokingly offhand comment about it. You though that I accused you of pretending to be me. So either one of us is wrong or both of us are wrong.

Either way it's not relevant the subject at hand.

Anyways I'm going to bed. Yall have fun arguing on the internet.

>>94423376
But characters regress regardless in both SU and AT. In SU's case the majority of characters are so inconsistent their personalities are note of less based by the episode.

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>>94423618
What? Nigga I repeat; I bring up how consent is needed from small to large, and how breaking someone's consent can be weird to disturbing to pissing you off, giving examples like "Dude sleeps in a bed with you", "Dude sits at your table in a resturaunt out of nowhere" and "Dude finds out your secrets that you were keeping from him"

You're the one that jumped that shark and shouted RAPE.

I do hope this is just elaborate bait.

But we all know it's not

>>94423657
Has she faced any negative consequences or something?

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>>94422103
So, new episode this month, right guys? CN wouldn't lie to us. Oh boy!

>>94423751
And you're being purposely obtuse by missing the whole point of the conversation. The point is that when people hear the word consent, they think of sex. They don't think of someone eating your sandwich. Which is why when Sugar says the show is about consent and tries to insist fusion isn't an allegory for sex, it falls apart.

Someone barging in your house, using your shit, and forcing you to tell them secrets is wrong, but I say again, no one uses the word "consent" in those scenarios because that word has a very specific connotation. They'd use a whole bunch of other words, but it would most likely be trespassing, harassment, attacker, etc.

Kind of like how you saying "dude" in the beginning of all your sentences heavily implies you assume it's a man doing all those things when Steven Universe is mostly about lesbian rocks. Dude can be gender neutral, but it's usually not and you're adding a lot of unintentional context by saying that.

>>94423272
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

>>94423918
Not saying they all are (Since it's a big list), but I would throw out any examples that are animals in captivity. Those animals often develop some really bad sexual habits sometimes because of how bored they are. Monkey species are way more sexually deviant in captivity than in the wild.

As someone who hates SU, she's actually rather talented, but she wastes those talents on stagnant childhood fantasy crap that borrows heavily from other things.

She's a great follower and a mediocre leader, basically.

>>94422103
Sucrose is so cute. She should stop with these unflattering hairstyles.

>>94424062
Steven Universe is a pretty original concept actually

>>94423011
dont be stupid
kids are smarter than you give them credit for.
Even teens can think deep, even if 10% of"teens" get it that's still a large amount of people.

>>94424083
>of"teens"

>>94423166
>How fusion works is that both parties have to agree that they they want to fuse.
Jasper and Lapis fused against their will and continued to hold that fusion.
Watch the show before you spout off incorrectly..

>>94424150
Lapis held out her hand, which meant she agreed. It was a trick and once they fused, it turned into a power thing where she was able to hold Jasper and control her. But Lapis still had to agree to it first. Jasper couldn't really puppet Lapis around in a dance and fuse that way. So far, the only way to force fusion is to have gems literally melted together.

I look at the Steven Universe pilot stacked up to all the others on Cartoon Network's youtube channel and honestly it is the clear winner.
But that doesn't make her talented.

>>94422103
She is an SJW faggot that deserves no job

>she's amazing but her crew is holding her back!!!
i fucking hate SU fans

>>94424374
You are the only warrior here.
but you are not social justice warrior, you are something much worse: a social injustice warrior.

You are the kind of person who gets triggered if a show has a gay character

>>94422122
I feel like I'm being taken on ruse cruise right now. It's a little monkey, isn't it?

>>94424626
>you are not social justice warrior, you are something much worse: a social injustice warrior.
>You are the kind of person who gets triggered if a show has a gay character
step back

>>94422103
>held back
She had shit planned up until around jailbreak.
From then on you can only rip off so much anime before it's apparent you have no idea what the fuck you're doing.

The Cluster/Malachite resolution was the definitive shark jump, it tells you that these antagonists were created without a thought spared to their resolution.

>>94422642
>Steven Universe is much better than Regular Show
because it panders

SU has such a victim complex of a fandom and they can't stop babying rebecca

>>94425181
The average SU fan is better than the average /co/ poster

>>94423984
Homosexuality occurs in wild primates as well

>>94422103
I'd still fuck the shit out of her.

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>Fusion is just sex!

Yeah anons, these people made a show where the underage protagonist "mindfucks" his underage girlfriend and later his sister figure, i'm so glad you were able to uncover this conspiracy to corrupt our youth, how is this allowed?

>>94422103
Isn't that one of the dudes from Funhaus?

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>>94425315
Yeah.

>>94425211
Where do you think you are?

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>>94422103
oh god i wanna fuck her she's sexy as fuck

>>94422103
Real talk though, what medical condition does that to the face?

>>94425211
Nah, here kys is just a fucking thing

>>94422103
A little of both, but mostly the first one,

>>94425369
my cringe

>>94425392
Could be FAS.

>>94425438
Mother must have been hitting the bottle all the way through and hit her with the bottle on the way out.

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>>94422662

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A (((member of the tribe))) spends her entire youth obsessing over cartoons, mostly fanfiction, and uses her many tribe contacts to eventually get a job in the animation industry despite having a portfolio comprised entirely of sexual fantasies. However because her "talents" are limited purely to typical brainless droning teen girl cognitive farts and stemming everything she knows from misguided interpretations of existing media, she tactfully borrows (read: steals) characters and ideas from other shit made long before her own cartoon and barely repurposes it into something young children and adult autists will never recognize as shoplifted. Combine this with the full support of Cartoon Network's money pump and a stubborn place in the prime-time slot even during its infancy and you will quickly see how Steven Universe had absolutely no opportunity to fail. The inappropriate and off-putting blatant SocJus elements are less a cause and more a symptom, stemming not only from Sugar's miserable liberal arts problem child social circle but the kicking and screaming of a media platform dying a slow, slow death. But hey, it means that rabid part of the fanbase will commit outright terrorism on anyone who opposes the show in any way, and while no one would be foolish enough to officially condone them it's nice to know that your social engineering propaganda was so effective it has its own cost-free army.

I don't think they're very good story tellers or good at production and are shifting the way animation is produced for worse. As for Sugar, she has a nice fluid art style but she is a shit song-writer and writes and sings tunes that sound like things you'd see on baby/toddler shows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCtZqC3M7io (kind of like this, just observational and simple)

>>94425633
It's over, isn't it?

>>94422103
Neither. It's not other artists holding her back, it is her own cringy fanbase.

>>94425633
I'm happy someone mentioned her bad songs, because I feel like it's one of her weakest points yet she keeps pushing it in everything she works on as some "personal touch" of hers.

They don't feel very much like songs, they just feel like people kind of half-singing half-talking to music. They try and be freeform but it just falls flat for me most of the time. There's really no rhyming scheme to most of them and the songs are are barely sung, they just don't sound appealing to me. The only one that I actually liked was Stronger Than You because it felt like a more traditional song.

I think she's trying to be freeform instead of doing any of that "standard shit", she wants to break the mold or whatever, but songs sound like that because a lot of people like it that way. That's not to say they're all terrible to listen to, but in general, it's all the pitch and rhythm of a white girl playing ukulele on youtube.

>>94423570
This is where it all went wrong.
Tumblr had spent so much time deluding themselves into thinking Steven universe pandered to them they decided to really pander to them.

>>94425764
I feel like the BGM stands out more than her weird show-tunes.

>>94425633
She hit gold with the song in mr greg and has been downhill ever since.

>>94425764
The thing is you can break the mold with songs. Danial ingram does it all the fucking time with the music but he is actualy good at it.

>>94425764
I hate that she puts her music in important episodes, just to make them in there and that her songs are plot

>get a nomination for an emmy because cringe song

>>94425803
The worst part is that although the /co/ segment of the fandom is not as bad as the rest they go full retard with songs.
Mr greg was a mediocre episode but because the song was a genuine masterpiece /co/ holds it up as a great episode.

Mindful education was a fucking terrible episode that /co/ says is one of the best because it had a song that was slightly above average at best.

>>94425938
>Mindful education
I can't handle "feel sorry for this girl" stories, and the way they executed it and how she was upset for fucking up a boy at school nearly made me drop it, I expected /co/ to like it as usual and of course it's a minority opinion it was bad.

>>94422103
I don't know if she would be able to make it 10 years before because at that time no one was hiring females for the sake of diversity, but even though her show is absolute dog shit and has no redeeming qualities and panders to degenerate cucks, she worked hard for her shitty autistic vision of made-up fantasy land of things that will never happen. So does she deserve her success? Nope. Did she earn it? Well, if it brought CN money and good ratings, then yes.

I can only hope TTG's power continues to grow and CN continues to mishandle it and shit out "bombs" in an attempt to get rid of it and disgruntle its fans with an inconsistent schedule. She also looks like a monkey, just like a few of her creations.

>>94422103
>got wildly lucky?
lucky that everyone liked her show?

>>94426153
Lucky that she found a niche audience that was able to look past all of the glaring flaws because they are obsessed with lesbian shipping.

>>94426153
Lucky that her show got picked up and other experienced artists like Brianne Drouhard and Lauren Faust got their shows passed up on in favor of Rebecca Sugar just because she was more marketable as being "the progressive one".

>>94422642
Can gems be considered gay tho?
I mean, it's not like there are male and female gems, just gems. So there's no homosexuality or heterosexuality or even sexuality at all.
Regarding fusion, i'm with the people that think it's the maximum gesture of trust, love and/or partnership among gems. Sex it's a little far-fetched. Or maybe let's ask Sugar what did she planned it to be.
And don't call me intolerant, i was fucking indifferent with the gay characters in Star vs.
As for OP, she's an amateur in content creation and direction. She got lucky because her show actually has marketing potential and CN probably foresaw that.

>>94422103

I'd say lucky. I'm sure there are plenty of more talented/experienced artists and show creators out there that got held back because she took the spotlight. This industry at it's core really isn't about talent but networking.

>>94426206
Her show only got picked up since CN wanted another Adventure Time and was picking up every pilot that was created by an AT crew member, It sucks that SBFF and Princess Ameythyst never got shows and got rejected for shit like SU, but you can't do nothing about it.

>>94425979
The worst part is the episode had so much potential.
She did not even fucking beat him up, she flipped him. I might have done the same.

But with that I was not so much bothered that she did not beat him up as that she called it beating up.

But the biggest problem is it should have been the fucking greg and connie episode I had been waiting for. the shit she was told to get over it did not even have anything to do with the situation.

>>94422934
Is that a fucking smb movie goomba

>>94426206
Faust is terrible to work with though.
Nobody wants another fucking Gravity falls.

>>94423123
Yes. I am implying that.
This show is a fucking degenerate pile

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>>94423301
>4
>15 year olds can't have sex, it's literally impossible
What did they mean by this?

>>94422642
>YOU are the one who makes it about Identity politics.

Rebecca said that this show was meant to tear down gender norms so you're wrong off the bat

>>94423918
>Behaviors

Shit show that's only popular because it panders to SJW's

>>94423487
>like a relationship

You know what people in relationships do?

>>94423301
Dude, its figurative, not literal.

>>94422103
Who is this cute little lesbian and how tight is her pussy?

>>94426779
You fuck your friends, mentors, students, and sons , anon?

>>94426981
>fuck friends, mentors, students
Some people do yes,

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>>94422103
Is that Alfred E Neuman?

>>94422103
The concept of "deserving" is bullshit. Nobody deserves anything, except in the legal sense.

>>94427871
>Alfred E Neuman
That's John F Kennedy, one of the ugliest presidents of USA

>>94428088
You mean Bill Clinton.

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>>94423014
Mfw I'm the same age as John Vazquez when he got approached by Nickelodeon execs to make a still being talked about ten plus years down the line and getting a tv movie. Before that he was producing content too.

>>94422103

All of her previous work is great, SU is being held back.

>saying rape is bad is a political statement

what did /co/ mean by this?

>>94422103
I'm sure her show is fine, but what I hate is the influence it's having on other cartoons. Eveything has to be in this hipster-alternative style of her's now, even if it's trying to be painfully mainstream like the new Powerpuff Girls. I hate the fact that she doesn't believe in giving her characters consistent height, because I think that's personally lazy despite what she says.

The show sounds creative, I know it is -- but good has it become annoying to me. I don't like it's style, I don't like that other shows think they can do the same thing with a simplistic art style, and so on and so on.

I feel like animation akin to something you'd see in, say, the original Ben 10 from years ago or Kid's Next Door, is dead. It's now cheaper. You won't get a show with those kind of looks unless it's done if flash and with even simpler, bubblier designs like in Steven Universe or Adventure Time. To think a show like JLU even existed on Cartoon Network like it did is preposterous now.

So yeah, Steven Universe angers me not because I think it is bad in itself, but that the influence is wrongfully digested by the media who try to pursue such a style in hopes of less effort, less money being spent, and in turn monopolize the entire cartoon industry with less than average animation with the next generation not knowing any better.

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>>94426557

>>94425938
I thought Mr Greg was a good episode because Pearl and Greg resolved their conflict. The song itself was just OK to me.

SU is the 3rd best western cartoon in the last decade and a half, behind only TLA and GF.

There are big flaws in the show but don't lose sight of that fact.

>>94430126
>SU is the 3rd best western cartoon in the last decade and a half, behind only TLA and GF.

So good its banned in Kenya and several Middle eastern countries

>>94423014
Have you ever once attempted to do anything or are you working at Burger King and reading 4chan on your days off wondering just why you are not famous yet?

>>94422103
Yes and no. She deserves her success, but she also needs to take a step back and realize when she needs to take control. Letting the writers freely go about their creative process is great, but she needs to know when to stop them and give them a gentle nudge in the right direction.

>>94423400
I would assume the one that has her circa 2003 era Zim fan character existing within the show

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It's a solid show. Just needs better management to control consistency.

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>>94426444
Aaaaand this is what happened.

Adventure Time was so fucking huge in 2011-2012 that the creators of it were the fucking darlings of Cartoon Network, and they were perfectly willing to greenlight anything made by any one of the AT boarders because it was understood that they do not but constantly shit gold.

Half the other showrunners were jealous of the insane amounts of attention the AT team got from cartoon network and were never given any of the same opportunities.

>>94429173
>I hate the fact that she doesn't believe in giving her characters consistent height, because I think that's personally lazy despite what she says.

It sounds like an ass covering excuse made after it was pointed out to her

>>94430533
Yeah, but here's the thing, you kinda have to make that conscious decision in her positio. She has the final say if they do that to begin with or not. She could have chosen to, but said she didn't. I don't think she was dumb enough to not have a set-height chart to begin with, I think she legitimately decided not to which is, in all actuality, dumber than even forgetting to make a size chart.

>>94422103

>or is she an amateur creator who got wildly lucky?

If by 'wild lucky', you mean jewish nepotism, then sure, same goes for Alex Hirsch etc.

There are hundreds of pitches for cartoons made every season, and of those picked up, jews are for 'some reason' insanely overrepresented.

And of course when they cancel a show, it's not going to be one of those made by a jew, looking at you Craig McCracken, Wander over Yonder deserved a better fate.

>>94431026
She was hired on a whim for AT, but it was being a part of that show that really launched her ass backwards into fame and upward mobility.

>>94423374
They do it up the ass anon. And Eddy calls Double D a "fag."

>>94425284
Rebecca drew minors having sex before so it's not out of the ballpark for her.

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Why do I have to see the "fusion is (not) sex" argument going on in EVERY steven universe thread ever? Is it really so fucking difficult for people to get it through their heads that it doesn't have to be a DIRECT metaphor to anything? It's literally anything you can imagine because it is not expressly anything we know. Yeah, it is sex, it is friendship, it is hugging or kissing or any of that shit. It's romantic AND it's platonic. Because it isn't supposed to be ONLY one of these things, but it can be interpreted to be any of them, and different interpretations work for different scenarios in the show. Like ffs, it's not that hard of a concept that a fictional act might be representative of something other than one specific real act.

>>94423557
How the fuck is this inaccurate? Peridot as the show went on fluctuated in sizes and had no consistency at all, whats there to be inaccurate about?

Sugar is extremely talented, but putting her in charge of her own show is wasting her talent. She really needs to be working under a more experienced director so she can learn better leadership skills. Penn Ward wasn't exactly the best influence in that regard, given how notoriously loose he was with his staff.

Let her work on one of Genndy, McCraken, or Faust's projects for a couple of years. I think she'd be ready to run a show after that.

>>94431624
I think you could have gotten away with having someone more experienced serve as co-showrunner rather than having her gain experience under someone else. Weisman would be the first pick, since he has just about the most experience running an action/drama heavy series as anyone currently in the business. He also didn't have too much going on at the time.

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>>94425497

>>94422103
>She deserve her success
Yes

>>94423557
There's no consistency in your "deep" kids' show anon
Accept it

She's not assertive enough. She's still good, but good isn't enough these days, her success came from being good while also occupying the right space and the right style at the right time.

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>>94422642
>Steven Universe is much better than Regular Show.

It's okay to be wrong, anon.