What was the "Curtain Call" of comics? >The Curtain

It happened in the 70's when they raised the price of comics

>>94417557
>contributing to the downfall of professional wrestling's popularity
> downfall of wrestling's popularity

Except it was an important step towards the Attitude Era, the most popular wrestling ever was.

>the death of Kayfabe

Wouldn't that imply it was alive at some point?

>>94417557

The Curtain Call didn't kill off pro wrestling's popularity, you cocksucking degenerate. The deaths of WCW and ECW, the oversaturation of WWE programming, the domination of John Cena over the past decade-plus, the utter failure of TNA to be anything but TNA, and the inability for any other company to compete on WWE's level are what killed the popularity of pro wrestling.

Fuck, OP, how fucking stupid actually are you?

>>94417557
Isn't wrestling more popular than ever?

>>94417670

LOLfuckingNO. WWE can barely get 3 million people to watch Raw any more. It gets beat in the ratings by fuckin' Love and Hip-Hop.

Jim Cornette is right about everything.

Probably the comics crash of the mid 90s.

>>94417557
>>This is widely speculated as to contributing to the downfall of professional wrestling's popularity
wut

The Curtain Call is when Hall and Nash went to WCW to form the nWo. It also caused Vince to not push Triple H and instead push Stone Cold as punishment for doing the Curtain Call, thus ushering in the most popular era in wrestling history.

Fucking dumbass.

>>94418051
The Image Founders are totally the New World Order of comics

The reveal that Superman never actually died in Death of Superman

>>94417670
As >>94417721 pointed out WWE is struggling but yes across the world wrestling is becoming more popular and NJPW in particular has shown growth consistently for the past several years

Sup /wooo/.

Yeah, the curtain call happened at some random house show that no one but the 1% of the hardest core smarks would've known about through the Observer. It didn't kill the business.

The downfall of the pro wrestling was when WCW died and Vince bought it. It was that moment, that monopoly that began the death knell, peaking at WM 17 with the Austin heel turn. And then it was all downhill from there.

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>>94417557
X-Men #1.

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Good night sweet prince

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>>94417557
Do you even watch wrestling or did you take this retarded factoid from some shitty reddit thread?

>>94417557
The downfall of wrestling was the aftermath of the Monday Night Wars. It kind of had a brief spike in sudden popularity after the Benoit incident but overall it's been on the downfall.

>>94418146
And Ring of Honor. TNA is circling the drain though.

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This is the moment that started WWE on the downward spiral. Benoit sealed the deal when he murdered his family, they haven't been the same since and have consistently lost viewership.

>>94417666
A lot of those things were tangibly related to the Kliq.

>>94417613
Not even remotely close.

Wrestling was so popular in the 80s that Hogan vs. Andre on NBC in 1988 got well over 30 MILLION viewers.

Guys like Thesz and Sammartino in the 50s/60s/70s could sell 100k+ tickets depending on the venue. A 20k sellout crowd was NORMAL back then for any part of the country on any given weekend.

>>94417557
DC raising their prices in the early 70s resulted in most retailers dropping all comics. This was the real beginning of the end for comics as a mainstream medium.

>>94417670
Least popular it's ever been. Only like 2 million people watch WWE anymore.

>death of kayfabe
>when Vince went on TV and admitted it was fake way before this
>>94419308
Believe it or not the most profitable and successful time for WWE is some weird ass year like 2008 or 2010 or something. It makes fuckall sense.

>>94417666
You want the REAL truth? That you'll never heard anywhere else, but that used to be universally accepted as fact?

The thing that really killed wrestling? McMahon's obsession with camp.

There you have it. That's it. That's the REAL reason it all fell apart. Because McMahon cares more about entertaining himself than he does about entertaining the audience.

I'm old enough that I remember when Doink the Clown and all that shit began to pop up in the early 90s. When the "living cartoon character" style wrestlers began to show up. What the modern wrestling fans don't realize is that most people stopped watching when that happened and never came back. There was a massive exodus of the majority of the wrestling audience that wanted nothing to do with McMahon's campy characters and soap opera style "storylines". THAT and that ALONE is what killed professional wrestling as a mainstream for of entertainment. It was always "larger than life", but there's a big difference between a guy like Hulk Hogan "hulking up" and a guy in a halloween costume pulling a literal midget version of himself out from under the ring or a guy who's supposed to be a zombie "dying" and then "rising from his grave" right there in front of the audience. The former is silly. The latter is unbearable to 99% of people.

>>94418225
>It kind of had a brief spike in sudden popularity after the Benoit incident

That actually was the final nail in the coffin. Ratings PLUMMETED immediately after that and continued a downward slide for YEAR that has actually lasted to this day.

>>94418391
As much as I hate Cornette, he was at least partially right about this. This was a "killing the goose that laid the golden egg" moment.

>>94419581
Even Austin admits it was a huge mistake. He said he regrets not just stunning Vince and not going through with the angle.

>>94419408
>the most profitable and successful time for WWE is some weird ass year like 2008 or 2010

Only in terms of revenue, but that's counting overseas revenue, advertiser fees, etc., and is different from profits. They used to make something retarded like 100 million per year in pure profit around 1999-2000. They haven't come even remotely close to that in the last decade and a half.

>>94419546
It doesn't help that the WWE has time and time again chose to go against what the fans want, especially with Super-Cena. Even when the ratings stopped declining by giving the fans what they want (Brock Lesnar, Daniel Bryan) they decide to go do it all again with Reigns and the ratings have completely fallen into the shitter

>>94419211

You can argue that WCW dying was related to the Kliq; that much, I can give you. But even then, the Kliq was not single-handedly responsible for that -- Russo, Bischoff, the overuse of the nWo angle long after it should have ended, the loss of young talent such as Benoit and Guerrero, and the general dislike of pro wrestling by Time Warner executive Jamie Kellner (who ultimately put the stake through the heart of WCW) are all factors that played a role in WCW's demise. Saying "Hall, Nash, and Trips did it" is stupid.

And they're not even capable of being blamed for the death of ECW, the oversaturation of WWE programming, Super Cena, TNA being a 15-year industry laughingstock, or indie companies never being able to compete on WWE's level.

Trying to lay the blame for the downfall of the US pro wrestling industry on one moment over 20 years ago -- a moment that arguably led into the most successful period in industry history! -- or the men involved in that moment is to ignore the myriad number of factors that led the industry from where it was then to where it is now.

Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Shawn Michaels, and Triple H did not kill the US pro wrestling industry by hugging each other in the middle of the ring. They didn't even break kayfabe. I don't know what kind of pot you've been smoking or what kind of shit you've been reading, but kayfabe was more or less dead even before the Curtain Call. Shit, there were promoters in the 1930s -- ALMOST A CENTURY AGO -- who openly admitted that the whole shebang was staged entertainment. If you truly believe that the entire goddamn world thought pro wrestling was really 100% real until the Curtain Call, you are even more ignorant than I thought you were.

>>94419516

Funny, then, how the campy antics of the Fashion Police are considered a highlight of SmackDown these days while SUPER-SERIOUS Roman Reigns is considered a detriment to Raw (and WWE as a whole). Why, it's almost as if good writing/booking is capable of elevating a dumb concept into something entertaining. Who would've thought?

>>94420443
ratings prove otherwise

the general public will NEVER watch intentionally campy wrestling PERIOD

>>94420041

Turning Raw into a three-hour weekly show (at the request of the network) did not help, either. Only idiots want to spend three hours every Monday watching Raw.

>>94420478

>the general public will NEVER watch intentionally campy wrestling PERIOD

Then how do you explain the success of Hulk Hogan and the Rock'n'Wrestling Era? Because that was campy as anything else WWE has ever put on before or since, and it skyrocketed WWE into mainstream media consciousness more than anything else before it.

>>94420529
>that was campy as anything else WWE has ever put on before or since

not even close

you're an idiot

if you think Hulk Hogan is even remotely similar to Doink the Clown then you're out of touch.

>>94420559
>>94420529

Hogan is campy as fuck.

Hell, the entirety of pro wrestling as a fucking concept is campy as hell. It's a soap opera for men, a melodrama with more action. It may as well be called "The Buff and the Restless".

>>94420559
Hogan is not similar to Doink, but he is right that he was campy as fuck. Whether or not Doink was "worse" is irrelevant to that fact.

>>94417557
The Curtain Call gets massively overhyped because it feeds into the WWE narrative about Triple H. The worst that happened was that he (supposedly) lost out on winning KotR that year because of it but within a few months was Intercontinental Champion and was still pushed strongly the entire time anyway.

An obscure incident that nobody but hardcore fans (who already would've known that wrestling is fake) would've seen or known about had nothing to do with breaking kayfabe or leading to a decline in popularity for wrestling. Wrestling was already well known to be a work and kayfabe had been broken many times, notably in the 1930s and during periods of time where wrestling was more popular than the mid-'90s low period.

>>94417666
>and the inability for any other company to compete on WWE's level are what killed the popularity of pro wrestling
That's starting to change thankfully with NJPW's slow but steady growth. I don't know if they'll ever challenge WWE like WCW did but they'll grow big enough to be a viable alternative. Though personally I've been preferring AJPW (especially up near the top of the card with Miyahara, Ishikawa, Suwama, Jake Lee, Zeus and the like).

>>94417557
It has to be Crisis On Infinite Earths. It was between the old era of DC Comics and the new era of DC Comics. Post-crisis DC Comics would be the Attitude Era for DC Comics.

The heroes got cooler and edgier during post-crisis, much like how WWF wrestlers got cooler and edgier.

Here's a few superheroes and their Attitude Era counterparts during the early to mid 90's...

>Lobo = Stone Cold Steve Austin
>Batman = Undertaker
>Superboy = Shawn Michaels
>Superboy & The Ravers = D-Generation X
>Superman = Goldberg
>Green Lantern = Edge
>Steel = The Rock
>Eradicator = Sting

I could go on and on, but there ya go.

>>94421069
I think the curtain call is a big deal simply for the fact that it lead to a massive push for Steve Austin to win KotR and give his iconic "3:16" moment.

It didn't really hurt Triple H's career or the wrestling industry much, but indirectly lead to the rise of one of the biggest names in the industry ever.

>>94419641
Hell, I think they only have 5 million in profit so far this year.

>>94421688

Love stiff-shot Joshi bitches so much.

>>94421517

Which is partly why they're cutting back on pyro and cancelling Network shows like Talking Smack: Cost-cutting measures to boost profits.

>>94417557
The New 52.

>>94421722

Joshi bitches are best bitches. To wit: Asuka/KANA.

>>94421272
Except most of DC's all time classics are post-Crisis.

>>94421757

Eh... She's good, no question, but there are better out there IMO. She's pretty good for transitioning into the WWE without losing too much character or depth to her moveset though. (Unlike Shinsuke Nakamura, who looks like a sperg trying to do McDojo Tae Kwan Do.)

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>>94421808

>>94417557
Bringing Barry Allen back from the dead.

>>94417663

It was alive pretty well until the early 80's and then slowly petered out until it just totally ate shit and died in the mid 90's

>>94420559

You don't actually know what 'camp' is.

>>94419516
>and a guy in a halloween costume pulling a literal midget version of himself out from under the ring or a guy who's supposed to be a zombie "dying" and then "rising from his grave"
does that shit really happen? Holy shit I've gotta attend a wrestling match

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>ctrl+f

...really? No one?

>>94421939
Look up "Chikara" on youtube. Craziest shit you will ever see.

>>94421939
This was in the early 90s, when WWF came the closest to going out of business.

They don't do stuff like that anymore. Now it's just boring.

>>94418146
The top 3 promotions in Puro have been doing pretty well lately & that's great to see. NJPW's doing their big US expansion, All Japan's making a comeback & Dragon Gate is about to go back out into the world this year. Good time to be a puro fan, to be honest.

>>94421939
If you love batshit crazy fun shit in wrestling, go on YouTube & look up DDT Pro Wrestling.

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>>94422112
>tfw NOAH will never be even 1% as amazing as it was in the 2000s ever again

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>>94422032
Pretty sure what he's referring to is the Boogeyman and Little Boogeyman, which is fairly recent.

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>>94422016
>suggesting Chikara
>not Kaiju Big Battel

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>>94422131
>The state of NOAH in 2017
One could argue that it was inevitable as they couldn't ride that 90s All Japan wave forever, but no fed deserves what's happened to NOAH

>>94421853

>It was alive pretty well until the early 80's

No. No, it was not. Like I said, there were promoters in the 1930s who openly admitted -- on the record, to journalists -- that pro wrestling was "fixed" or "staged" or whatever.

>>94419516
You're retarded, all that camp was in the early to mid 90s and the attitude era came after that which brought a surge of fans to tune into wrestling. The campiness isn't what killed wrestling dumbass.

>>94420443
How is LE BIG DAWG super serious when he's involved in a feud with literally no fun allowed Fat Joe and Braun Cringeman?

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>>94417557

Fucking plebs. Get some WWE comics and then come at me.

>>94422131
NOAH's been good lately.

>>94421959
Setting aside the crash I think this event really damaged the credibility of superhero comics, this is the thing that drove home the fact that status quo is king and storytelling doesn't matter to these companies. And once that box was opened they just did it over and over again, killing heroes and bringing them back. It's the book that turned the big two into sensationalist garbage no sane person would read. Honestly I don't think they'll ever recover from the damage this did.

>>94419308
This. 80s pro wrestling was the best. All of the wrestlers were larger than life via their personas and there was crazy shit going on. Fucking Cyndi Lauper promoting for Wendi Richter and being instrumental in the widespread pro wrestling boom.

Probably Civil War.

>>94422506

>shittalking Braun Strowman

Please fuck off in every possible way.

>>94421848
That's fucking insane

>>94422917
No you fuck off. He can't talk for shit
>I just stack bodies
It was fucking cringe

Isn't it just that people's attitude change over the course of the year?

>>94420590
it's the capeshit of entertainment