Is there any future for Sonic as a comic, or did the Archie disaster

Big the Cat solo when?

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https://twitter.com/RubyEclipse/status/893220142569594880

Looks like they just got their first creative meeting underway.

>>94385555

do you know who any of these guys are?

>>94385171
Post your collection https://youtu.be/kXszwP3sSKc

>>94385735
Only one I recognize is Aaron Webber (second on the right, blue shirt, glasses). He runs the social media and PR stuff, including the twitter account.

I hope they bring in the good talent that was on the Archie books. If they let someone like Ian Flynn build it from the ground up it could be great.

>>94385735
I spot Aaron Webber and Iizuka. The black guy on the right is the new editor, Joe Hughes. Chris Ryall, the CCO and Editor in chief is also likely there.

>>94385768
>implying they will let anybody at Archie on board

Penders has pretty much tarnished Archie's reputation

>>94385555
No Ian there.

>>94385555

The guy back there looks like a skinny Jack Black.

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>>94385555
>Takashi Iizuka is in there.

Is this just formality or is he actually going to play a big role here?

>>94386241
He stated in an Famitsu interview talking about he and Hoshino are looking closer at everything Sonic's name is on now. That in the past, a lot of things got through with their reluctance, but since they are in America right now, they have a more hands on approach on the brand.

>>94385904
Ian has done stories for IDW and pretty sure some of the artists have done work for them too

>>94385912
Ian seems busy with something called AcademX.

>>94386241
I'm gonna guess he's gonna have a big role. SoJ still decides what's allowed, so he's likely having a big role in the direction.

>>94385555
Is that Kevin Eastman?

>>94386314
Ian has written for and Ben Bates has drawn TMNT.

>>94386721
Yeah, it was Ben I was thinking of, thank you. They should definitely get Ben onboard for a few issues. Dude has that style down

>>94385555
>16 people deciding how a comic is going to be handled.
>0 of which are writers.
Ohhhhh booooooy.

>>94387585
Please name all these people.

>>94387669
Right after you name all of your co-workers :^)

Yeah, I know. "My dad works at Nintendo." 6 faces I've seen before and two people from Sega. The other 8 COULD be writers, I'll grant you, but that's just it. I don't recognize them, and I don't think they'd have untested writers sitting in on such a meeting. We'll see once it goes to print, maybe they're just guys/girls I'm not familiar with.

>>94386358
It's a kickstarter, though, so he might not be.

>>94385767
Why the FUCK would you keep comics in a basket

>>94385555
I wonder if right then they are deciding whether to keep the Freedom Fighters or not.

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>>94385555
>Sonic of all things has a diverse crew working on it

>>94387842
1. I can but I'm not doing that on 4chan.

2. Saying 0 writers is a pretty big claim. Also honestly it's really not far fetched someone from IDW is lurking around here though. There has been a few in /co/.

>>94385555
>>94386241
This is probably THE big meeting that will probably decide the majority of the book and it's direction. Iizuka is probably the most important person at the table, as he likely gets final decision on everything world, character, and story related going into the book. I think the future of the Archie/cartoon cast will be decided there too, they'll likely bring up the fan response to the Archie cancellation and the characters that could be lost.

>>94390943
I imagine regardless of what lizuka thinks, the legal issues would take presidence. Obviously anything with Penders is verboten. Anythining with even the faintest risk of IP issues with Archie is a no go.

>>94392104
Shouldn't be any issues with any of the characters that appeared after the Pendering happened or survived it

>>94392247
I suppose it'd depend on how the contracts were set up.

>>94392633
I'm pretty sure Sega made sure they locked down Ian's characters so that shit couldn't happen again. Even then, I'm certain Ian has enough sense to not try to pull a Penders.

>>94392863
Honestly, after everything that's happened, never assume. No matter who or what.

>>94387585
you can decide tone and direction without writers.
thats pretty much what the mandates were.

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>>94385171
I like that Image but the character art is a mite fuzzy.
Sonic Wallpaper thread?

>>94392247
They don't want to just win. They want to get any case thrown out a the first hearings. And Penders is of course shaking the tree of any friends he has in the industry to get them onboard his insane crusade.

The easiest way to do that is to make as clean of a break as possible.

>>94393561
>any case thrown out a the first hearings

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>>94385171
>Archie failed at?

You say that but the sonic comic ran for like 26 years. On a comic that by all accounts shouldn't have lasted for more than 1 this is extremely impressive.

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>>94386299

FUCK

>>94395930
They were so close to hitting 300....

>>94395930
>>94396038
You think maybe they could just retain the numbering for the new series? Would Archie care? They agreed to forfeit the license.

>>94396125
That wouldn't feel right. If IDW really is going to start fresh to get away from any risks then they should just start from #0.

>>94396125
It's time for a new #1. Especially if we are starting anew again.

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>>94389116
25% female ratio and one black guy who in general looks like he knows what's up, this is the dream team, no bs diversity.

I have high hopes starting from what looks like a non-cucked creative team.

>>94386721
They're all freelance though. Tracey Yardley said that all they need to do is call him to come and he will. They're not tied to any particular company, they just keep bringing them back on particular series', like Archie Sonic.

>>94393561
the thing is the only characters that made it past the Pendering were either very firmly owned by SEGA no matter what direction you look at(such as every character who originated in SATAM) or created by Ian Flynn, whose contacts with Archie were ironclad

>>94396423
Why do you care about this shit when it comes to Sonic?

>>94395976
>>94386299
>>94386241
>>94385555
I could see IDW really pushing for the AoStH and SatAM characters. Their whole bread and butter is making as many references to the nooks and crannies of the series they license, I can't see them ignoring the built in fanbase the Freedom Fighters have.

>>94386241
IS that a good thing or a bad thing?

I don't want the comic just to be "Sonic,Tails, Knuckles and Amy fight Eggman in self-contained battles each issue."

>>94396645
Won't matter if SEGA says no.

>>94396558
I many not be a lifelong fan of the comics, in fact I recently learned of them, but I can want the next iteration to be actually good?

>>94396710
Then maybe look up what the people in that pic have worked on?

>>94396687
They let Archie use them. Imagine the wonders a competent company could do.

>>94396751
We'll see. I don't foresee SEGA keeping them around, at least in the way they were, with this chance to have a new direction.

>>94396827
If Sega wanted to put the kibosh on the Freedom Fighters, why wouldn't they have done it during the Nu252?

>>94396827
>We'll see. I don't foresee SEGA keeping them around, at least in the way they were, with this chance to have a new direction.
I feel the opposite is more likely, SEGA only got so hardass with Archie during it's last decade with them because of all the screwups they had, besides you can't really do anything meaningful comics wise with just the game only characters, especially if you're one of the morons who think it should only be the core 4-6 characters who appear

>>94396854
IIRC, they did. Archie fought to keep them and SEGA gave in.

>>94396890
Doesn't that mean if IDW fought enough they could still be used in the comics?

>>94396913
It's possible, I just don't think it's likely. SEGA has always treated Archie Sonic very weirdly in that it's there, they allowed it to be there (until they canned it), but they gave very little mention or love to it. The thing they did love was Mega Drive, which only featured game characters.

Ian's also made mention on his podcast that SEGA isn't keen on giving attention to old Sonic properties and rather would focus on what is current with representing Sonic, which the Archie/cartoon universe doesn't do and the fact that the FFs lasted as long is surprising.

I find it hard to think that SEGA wouldn't take this opportunity to make a book with their vision of Sonic in mind for better or for worse and I don't think the Archie cast makes the cut.

>>94396734
No that's no good. Have to judge based on their skin tone and genitalia.

>>94396913
I don't think IDW would put up quite the same fight. The Archie folks had worked with the FF characters for ages, so it's not surprising that they fought hard to keep them. With IDW I imagine it being more like
>hey can we use Sally and all them?
>No, we'd rather just leave that in the past
>okay

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>>94397164
>We lost Scourge
>We lost Shard
>We lost Mina
I won't lose Sally and Nicole.

>>94397164
I guess it hinges on whether or not SEGA will stick to their guns with game characters not receiving character growth. If they do, they need the FF, because a long term narrative is unsustainable otherwise.

IDW could just make their own characters if SEGA wants to leave the cartoon past behind. Iizuka and crew are there, so said characters could be made under their guidance.

>>94397057
>Ian's also made mention on his podcast that SEGA isn't keen on giving attention to old Sonic properties and rather would focus on what is current with representing Sonic
the problem is while that works for videogames, and even Boom to an extent, it just wouldn't work for a long term comic

>>94397241
>I guess it hinges on whether or not SEGA will stick to their guns with game characters not receiving character growth. If they do, they need the FF, because a long term narrative is unsustainable otherwise.
exactly, or at least OCs in important roles

>>94397309
>>94397324
Well with Sonic Forces having a OC maker, they could throw in new characters.

Y'all ignoring the possibility that SEGA doesn't want a long running story like Archie did. We could just be getting stories that don't advance a bigger plot and are just standalone.

>>94397580
>Y'all ignoring the possibility that SEGA doesn't want a long running story like Archie did. We could just be getting stories that don't advance a bigger plot and are just standalone.
that would die in less than a year, gag comics just don't sell anymore

>>94385171
Of course i'm gonna subscribe to it, I'm sure it'll be great

>>94396645
>I could see IDW really pushing for the AoStH and SatAM characters.

>IDW: Hey, can we use these characters?
>Sega: No
>IDW: Oh ok

>>94397241
>>94397324
>the problem is while that works for videogames, and even Boom to an extent, it just wouldn't work for a long term comic
>If they do, they need the FF, because a long term narrative is unsustainable otherwise.

The FF are redundant nowadays though. Don't forget they were created at a time where the only characters were Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and to a lesser extent Amy.
Just look at the OP image, they have many characters to have stories with and flesh out more.
Sonic is a game series first and foremost, Sega will want to focus on the game aspects. Not to mention that SoJ fucking hated satAM and for the longest time refused to acknowledge it's existence.
There is a lot that can be done in terms of fleshing out existing characters, I dunno if you guys are just biased fans of the comics or something, but there is no reason why using the video game assets wouldn't work.

They are also really picky with Sonic as an IP lately, they barely focus on anybody who isn't sonic or tails because of the backlash people had against featuring anybody but sonic in past games. If they're unwilling to focus on series staple characters, what makes you think some donut steels from a cartoon that died 20 years ago (and they already wanted to get rid of during the archie reboot) are going to make the cut?
The FF aren't as loved as you might think either. Sure the archie comic fans like them, but to the other 95% of the fanbase they don't care about them at all. Look at how well megadrive did (the best selling issue of the comic ever). You think Sega won't notice a strict game adaption was the best selling issue of the comic in it's entirety?
The odds are far too stacked against the FF. With all of this and a hard reboot, I'm willing to put money on them being dead forever.

Also, you're assuming IDW even wants the FF/Archie assets. Maybe they want to do their own take on Sonic.

>>94385171
Boom was a one and done failure, itd be crazy to make a comic about it

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>>94399025
>mfw Sonic Boom came out in Japan this July
>mfw everyone has loved it so far

>>94396125
>>94396038
>>94396274
>>94396422
its possible that if this does well enough they'd eventually go back to the Archie story if they are able.
IDW has done it with other properties they own like TF and GI Joe

>>94393561
>They don't want to just win. They want to get any case thrown out a the first hearings.

Let's make this clear again.

Penders lost against Sega. He lost hard. His case got summarily fucking dismissed and had he tried it again he would have been destroyed by them.

Penders won a lawsuit against ARCHIE. Sega wasn't involved in that one.

>>94397702
not to mention thats not what IDW is known for. That'd be like partnering up with Platinum to revive and action series but making it a tower defense

>>94399895
>Penders won a lawsuit against ARCHIE
he also won on a technicality caused by Archie own incompetence

They should get Flynn, give him classic Sonic and do what he did with Sonic Mega Drive.

No strings attached, no mandates.

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If everyone in this thread doesn't buy at least 50 copies of Mania, your mother will get cancer and die in the next 3 months.

And if anyone here purchases even a single copy of Forces, i'm going to find out where you live and literally beat the everloving shit out of you.

>>94400015
What's wrong with the Forces? It looks like it's at least everything Sonic Generation did right so far.

Making one of the antagonists an OC edgelord is 10/10

>>94385171
Is there a list of characters that are in limbo because of Penders? I mean, even if IDW manage to make a agreement with Archie for the characters

>>94400095
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Ken_Penders'_legal_cases

>>94400132
>244 characters
That one time when piling up shit ton of useless nonsense characters with little distinguishable features for no fucking reason actually paid off.

>>94400095
>IDW manage to make an agreement with Archie for the characters

What did they agree with? Ownership of Satam characters?

I don't know. It feels like if they keep the Freedom Fighters, it'd be a bad case of misdirection writing-wise.

>>94400479
This was a hypothetical scenario to avoid confusion in my question because all the archie characters are probably in limbo

>>94400132
Thanks. I'll miss Mina

>>94400015
Ow, the edge.

There's no hope for future comics if Sega kept the mandate that Sonic can't lose and can't show emotions. All of IDW's licensed properties are rooted in the idea that the good guys don't always win and sometimes get very badly fucked up, and without that they cannot do anything but recycle the same "Sonic fights Eggman and destroys his robot" plot eternally.

Is there any reason why the japanese Sega team is autistic about not understanding that most Sonic fans are fans of the "western" version?

>>94401808
He can have emotions. He's just not supposed to bawl his eyes out.

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>>94385555
>No Ian

>>94386955
I think he isn't doing much comic work since he has a full time job in animation. Which is a shame, but he is doing a cariant cover for issue 75 of TMNT. He has also deleted all social media stuff such as twitter, deviantart and his tumblr.

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>>94386299
Shit. The last thing a new Sonic comic needs is the Japs exerting their bland influence on it.
I was really hoping Sega would just let IDW work their magic and fuck off.

>>94393561
I really want Penders and his z-list friends to try shit with Sega and get their assholes aerated.

Shut up Boco

>>94396125
That would be weird given its a reboot, but they could do it.
People don't seem to understand how licensing works. Archie has NO POWER in this situation anymore. Like Archie has absolutely zero influence going forward. They can't reprint their old material, they don't own their old characters, they have nothing. They might as well not exist from here on out.
Other than the Penders stuff, the Archie Sonic comics now effectively belong to IDW.

>>94402357
>He has also deleted all social media stuff such as twitter, deviantart and his tumblr.

Why would he do that?

>>94402440
Dustin Weaver said that Ben felt that he needed to be "free". It might also be related to the Rocksteady is a skinhead sympathizer thing? But that was a small blip on the radar, so I don't think that's it.

>>94400015
No matter how deeply you indulge yourself in these nostalgia projects, you will never feel the happiness you had as a child again.

>>94398951
The Archie comic fans are why the comic lasted as long as it did. Their removal will surely lead to alot of them dropping the comic and its not a guarantee that the rest of the Sonic fanbase will replace those lost readers.

Also while Sonic does have a bigger cast than he did in the 90s, I'm skeptical about their ability to be stable characters instead of arc characters. If not the FF, I can see IDW wanting their own OCs made to fill out Sonic's usual haunts.

>>94400530
>all the archie characters are probably in limbo
Archie doesn't own anything. Penders owns what he owns and Sega has everything else. Archie never "owned" any aspect of Sonic or the OCs they created, Sega just allowed them to use the property.

>>94399025
Boom already had a comic. It got cancelled thanks to Archie cutting down on comics in general.

And no one gives a shit about Rise of Lyric. The tv show is the face of Boom.

>>94396661
They have have over two decades worth of game content to go through for plots Anon. They also have villains other than Eggman such as Mephiles, Chaos, Dark Gaia and so on. Rival characters who would be very dangerous enemies and then maybe eventually allies would consist of characters such as Silver, Shadow, Blaze and Metal Sonic. I could keep going but you get the point I assume.

>>94402675
>They have have over two decades worth of game content to go through for plots Anon.

And the vast majority of it is Eggman gets a new toy to take over the world with, only for Sonic to push his shit in once again. And I hope you're not suggesting that IDW just re-adapts the Adventure series, Heroes, Shadow, and 06. Some of that has already been adapted in either in Archie or in Sonic X and others are too shit to be worth adapting.

So are expanded universe characters from the tv shows and comics allowed or not?

>>94402675
Ian tried to use Mephiles and Black Doom for Shadow's arc in Sonic Universe, Sega said no, they're dead, which led to Eclipse being created. Shit, he had to argue a bit just to get Chip to show in the Unleashed arc they had going because according to Sega, it happened, it's over.

Sega has some odd rules regarding their stories and characters (pick a fucking backstory for Eggman Nega already, goddamn)


>>94402930
Still quiet on that end. I can guarantee no Boom characters though, since they want to keep mainline Sonic and Boom Sonic separate for the most part

>>94396423
>completely I don't care snob reaction.jpg
>It's a fucking serial killer cannibal

What did he mean by this?

>>94403028
Sega sounds fucking autistic.

>>94403156
They are the primary source for autism, after all. Forged out of the primordial Autism.

>>94403028
>(pick a fucking backstory for Eggman Nega already, goddamn)
He's Ivo's descendant, but is also a dimensional traveler in addition to time travel.

>>94385555
Prime candidate for future "What went wrong?" threads.

>>94403156
Japanese men in business are weird like that. They have to randomly flex about unimportant shit because they were emasculated by the American occupation and want to exert some kind of masculinity.

>Future IDW crossovers
>YFW Sonic/Ninja Turtles crossover
>YFW Sonic/Transformers crossover
>YFW Mars Attacks Sonic The Hedgehog

>>94403198
Pitch it to Sega. See if they go for it

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>>94396125
I have no idea if they would do this for Sonic but IDW has a dual numbering system for their Disney comics where they started at #1 but also have three hundred whatever in parentheses after it.

>Would Archie care? They agreed to forfeit the license.
I don't think Archie has any say or control over what IDW does.

>>94400015
Fuck off /v/. I'll do what I want.

>>94403622
>I don't think Archie has any say or control over what IDW does.

They don't. They were a license holder and now they don't have it anymore. They have no control or say over anything relating Sonic now, even things they published at the time.

>>94398951
I feel like the best strategy is to keep the FFs in as side characters rather than the core cast.

>>94402344
Good, he's overrated.

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>>94403938

>>94404035
He is though. He peaked early and varied from mediocre to pretty good. People like to shift blame, but half his run is middling at best and all his work outside Sonic is bad or barely average.

Dude's not perfect and he really doesn't need to be consulted on the book's future when he's been steering the ship for a fucking decade.

>>94400015
igonna happily buy both and ill be the first to say that Mania look amazing while my excitement for Forces is trepidatious, but you are nuts of you think Mania will out preform Forces
no way a download title out sells a retail on disc game that available on all the same platforms. especially when you considered every youtube funny man is gonna do their own spin on Forces CaC, Pewdiepie doing a Hitler the Hedgehog, or Markiplier doing a "FREDDY FAZBEAR IN SONIC", and the inevitable GG video of Arin farting out his mouth about Sonic.
Regardless of its quality Mania is a niche title

>>94400015
Why do you faggots wanna try & force this "Mania vs. Forces" bullshit? Why not just buy both games?

>>94403586
no thats the official thing, even in the little character comics they did a while back the the Sonic Channel site while back had his prank Eggman because he's his hated ancestor and then pop in on Blaze to antagonize her

In all honesty, I would absolutely love for the new IDW Sonic to feature a year-long story arc or plot thread that exists to do nothing more than shit on Ken Penders and his "contributions" to the Archie Sonic story.

>>94404098
He was literally always cleaning up Penders' messes. He never got a chance to just write his own story.

>>94404337
How recent is that? Because I know Nega's lack of solid backstory was a big reason Ian didn't include him in the comics

>>94404375
An evil human reality warper named Pen Kenders, longtime foe to Knux.

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>>94404411
fairly?
i cant remember when they were a thing but it was for one of the recent anniversaries that they did a comic for every week until the anniversary

>>94404283
Because children can only express themselves in the language of console wars, even if it's the same brand

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>>94385555
>Penders no where to be seen.

That'll be a hard pass from me.

The comics were never good.

>>94404401
Yeah see, that's one of the excuses I keep seeing paraded around as if it somehow means he's not responsible for his clunkers. And it doesn't make much sense.

A lot of his best work was immediately after he started, when he was most burdened by existing continuity. Before the purge his worst stories had little if anything to do with Ken, and even that purge affected like four or five issues at most. He then got three years to work on his own clean ass slate and wrote over 60 issues in that time. What came out of that? A lot of middling stories with a few gems that are almost entirely reliant on the penciler.

When you excuse all the early stories for Ken's continuity and Genesis because it was so sudden and excuse how poorly the Mecha Sally arc was planned because of the purge and blame the early reboot on the editor and the secobd crossover on the editor and the latter half of the reboot on Unleashed's structure and page count...maybe People should step back, realize they're making excuses for like half the guy's run, and consider that *he* holds some blame here as well.

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>>94386299
>Iizuka being more hands-on with the comic

Well, I guess we better get this out of the way. Claim your Wispfu.

>>94404757
>A lost of his best work was immediately after he started
I disagree, tbqh

>>94404650
>Can't remember last year
You wanna get some tests done, anon. You might have Alzheimer's.

>>94404791
171-19...6 or so? It's the most solid stretch he had. You had outliers popping up like Thicker Than Water, but that period was multiple good arcs in a row.

Universe ended up having a better average than the main book, but Ian hit and lost his stride early on.

>>94404844
Eh, I personally loved the fuck out of the reboot, so I'm just gonna have to disagree here.

>>94404401
>never got a chance
The reboot started in 2012 and ended in 2016.

>>94404852
I'm very concerned for you if you enjoyed the same arc six times plus a few good ones, but to each his own.

>>94404871
The SWC honestly wasn't that bad for me although it's probably because I started reading the reboot in 2016, so I didn't have to go through the hiatus & was able to skip the crossover, but I also loved things like the Champions arc, pretty much anything in Universe & a lot of the OCs introduced post-reboot. Not to mention, it had none of baggage from the pre-boot & characters like Knuckles & Amy had some of their best characterization post-252.

>>94404775
the Wisps were fun in colors but i dont get why they were in Lost World or going to be in Forces
i mean aside from being power ups they felt super our of place in Lost World and i cant imagine that will be fixed in Forces.
it also bugs me that they are like character but are just THERE.
i mean are they ones Eggman had still captured? are they friends that left with Sonic? why have their premiere focus on them being living breathing beings and them have them be nothing but power ups after?
AND WHY IS IZUKA SO OBSESSED WITH EM!?

>>94404800
i mean i just found out about them last week and i couldn't remember what anniversary it was for.

>>94404927
>AND WHY IS IZUKA SO OBSESSED WITH EM!?

Iizuka wants to be the Miyamoto of Sonic apparently. But seriously, I think it's just that he's super insulated at Sonic Team and no one tells him his ideas are bad.

>>94404891
I never thought I'd stoop down to such debased level of shitposting, but you, sir, sound like an actual autist. I cannot exactly pinpoint what's wrong with your post, but it's just uncanny.

>>94404953
well someone should tell his he's wearing the charm off of the cute living power ups and that pumping them in things encourages lazy game design.
that said in Forces it looks like they'er just fuel for the CaC

>>94404927
According to Runners, some just decided to stay on Sonic's world because they liked it there and wanted to continue to help Sonic.

Iizuka likes them and wants them to be the power ups for the Modern series.

so is anyone else wondering what the story for Sonic Mania is?
since its going back to Little Planet and all.

>>94405037
That's what I'm saying though, I don't think anyone will ever tell Iizuka "No." Also Forces is an entirely different bag of worms and it would probably derail this thread if I went into what exactly is wrong with that game.

>>94405079
Didn't it have something to do with the Hard Boiled Heavies wanting to get revenge for Egg Robo? Or was that another unused concept idea?

>>94405128
>into what exactly is wrong with that game.
Just say bringing Classic Sonic back in another 3D game was a retarded idea.

>>94405222
thats really the only thing that has he side eying that game
it just feels like a recycled concept

>>94405128
>Didn't it have something to do with the Hard Boiled Heavies wanting to get revenge for Egg Robo
iunno
according to the wiki its about tracking down a super powerful energy source thats no the chaos emeralds before Eggman gets to it. and since a lot of the levels are revisits to classic areas i guess it means searching old places?
i mean i guess there are gonna be CD-eqse cutscenes so theres that too

>>94400015
I'm gonna buy one copy of Mania and one of Forces, fight me.

>>94404871
>>94404923
The only parts of the reboot I didn't enjoy were the first six or seven issues after the second Mega Man crossover. (276-282 it looks like) Those issues sucked. Though Panic in the Sky turned it all back around.

>>94405070
>According to Runners, some just decided to stay on Sonic's world because they liked it there and wanted to continue to help Sonic.
If they explained that at the end of Colors, that would be one thing. But shoving this detail into a mobile game that's not even available anymore makes it seem like an afterthought which it probably was.

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Remember when Sally was a reporter? She actually did something useful for once.

>>94406884
That's a lot closer to a game styled Sally than Archie's Sally ever was.

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>>94385464
I think we already have that.

>>94404710
Are you the kind of person that gets disappointed when they can't pitch a tank of gas on a bonfire?

>>94407207
That's because they literally just took one of Sonic's animal friends and gave it clothes and called it Sally.

>>94406884

People would still want to fuck it.

>>94404891
Why is this deleted it simply stated the truth that not all Sonic friends are popular to the point that people want to read about them in the comics and that female characters are simply masturbated to instead of being legitimately interesting.

Butthurt Sonic fanboys.

>>94401808

But this is exactly what the no OC crowd wants. They want a Sonic series in the vain of Street Fighter where its an assortment of by the numbers game adaptions and side minis.

It can be done, it'll just be a very odd feel to have mainline no longer having an over arching plot.

>>94409548
That would basically be killing the comic, coming off of the original comic where even in the reboot it was still story driven and Sonic didn't always win. People that read the Archie comic want a comic that is story driven.

I think IDW will do wonders with Sonic. Look at what they've done with GI Joe, or Transformers, even MLP.

The question is, if it'll be as good as the Archie one.

>>94409779
>People that read the Archie comic want a comic that is story driven.
Ah yes, tournament arc and Sonic Universe were totally less popular than the main comic. You're deluded.

>>94409779
Based on how Sega acts, it makes the most sense as it allows them to interput the comic easily for game promotion purposes.

Do you think the Sega mandates versus Archie were basically an attempt to make the comics less furry bait? because that must be something that really makes Sega mad, that their property's main fanbase is people stroking it to naked animal people.

then again they could have given Tails, Sonic and Knuckles pants any time and still haven't

>>94403938
>>94404098
Ian at his worst was still better than anyone else's run. He even managed to make Sonic X somewhat compelling, not to mention his competent works involving Mega Man.

But most importantly, Ian was a die-hard fan of the comic, through the dark ages and everything. He, more than anyone, knows exactly what makes a Sonic comic good and what makes it bad. Without Ian there's no safety net, and no limit to how terrible this will be.

>>94410176
>tournament arc and Sonic Universe

You mean the arc carried by Honey and Breezie and the three boys and the comic book that focused even more on story and lore than the real thing?

>>94404927
From the look of the gameplay in Forces I feel like they're handling Wisps alright so far, they blend into the natural stage progression of the OC stages and don't feel like they're breaking your flow.

Also Izuka is obsessed with them because he probably feels like a platformer needs various powerups to keep the gameplay interesting. And Wisps just so happen to be Modern Sonic's form of power ups.

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>>94411017
Well, I misread that as "overarching plot" up there. "Without it comic can't exist, not at all!", apparently.

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>>94399588
Source on this bullshit

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>>94411571
On what? people liking something? Just check 2ch or Japanese twitter.
I was checking twitter just a few hours before the thread was made coincidentally.

The few complaints i've seen go as
>Knuckles is too dumb
>Sometimes characters act weird and random, reminds me of Pinkie pie
>I don't know how much American humor younger kids will get.

>>94411774
>American humor

lol what's American humor?

>>94411828
Japanese humor tends to be extremely in your face. Boom is very, very dry and that guy is concerned kids might take it at face value.

>>94411828
>>94412168
Also the fact that there are plenty of jokes and references that require knowledge the Japanese just don't have since they have to do with Western Sonic culture.

>>94410907
>because that must be something that really makes Sega mad
they probably dont give a shit, you can count on you god given digits the number of people who give a shit and most big companies aren't one of them

>>94410968
>Ian at his worst was still better than anyone else's run.
I hate this mindset, mostly because Karl and Ken were the only ones who focused on drama before Ian. Angelo and Mike G made plenty of great stories; Aleah and Tracey barely wrote a thing and still matched his standard. Shit, Tracy wrote one of the best arcs in the entire comic. The idea that Ian at his worst surpasses everyone else is completely dosmissive of all the talented people who worked on the book.

>>94411774
Nice, mind posting more reactions?

>>94403914
>I feel like the best strategy is to keep the FFs in as side characters rather than the core cast.
they(or at the very least some other non game characters) are needed as core cast members though, SEGA is too restrictive with the game characters to do anything interesting with them

>>94401808
>There's no hope for future comics if Sega kept the mandate that Sonic can't lose and can't show emotions. All of IDW's licensed properties are rooted in the idea that the good guys don't always win and sometimes get very badly fucked up, and without that they cannot do anything but recycle the same "Sonic fights Eggman and destroys his robot" plot eternally.
that's one of the reasons Ian fought to keep the Freedom Fighters in the book after the Pendering, if you pay close attention you'll realize that for most of Ian's run, Sonic and most of the other game characters besides Eggman aren't actually particularly important for any given arc

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>>94412513
You can only watch Sonic Boom in Japan on Netflix which I think only recently came to Japan? Or maybe Japanese people haven't used it much but lots of people have been saying they're subscribing just for Sonic boom

This guy for some reason started getting all weird
>"Sonic toon' once again reminded me that I will be in the dying alone. [Something something I can't read this] Everyone dies, all their efforts are reduced to ashes.
???
Meanwhile the guy on the right is just happy to have it working on his TV.

The Japanese Eggman voice actor died recently too, the last thing he did was actually the Sonic Boom video games but so far apparently they find it hard to believe the new guy isn't the old guy, I guess they sound the same.

People really like Eggman in the new series though and are enjoying Amy.

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>>94412744
>>94412513
Sonic/Amy shippers have also been getting a kick out of it.

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>>94412744
>"Sonic toon' once again reminded me that I will be in the dying alone. [Something something I can't read this] Everyone dies, all their efforts are reduced to ashes.

...huh

>>94413057
I want to think he's emphasizing with Eggman, but i'm really not sure

>>94412869
A lot of the Japanese Sonic fans I've seen like Amy or SonAmy, so I'm not too surprised they're loving Boom

>>94412340
>Angelo and Mike G made plenty of great stories; Aleah and Tracey barely wrote a thing and still matched his standard. Shit, Tracy wrote one of the best arcs in the entire comic

No they didn't. You think the Pirate arc holds a fucking candle to Ian's arcs in Universe?

>>94412340
I disagree and agree. Reading through the Dark Ages, Tania(I think it was) did some decent stories even if her art didn't back it up. But once Ian hit the book and you could see one of her stories side-by-side with one of Ian's, her work suddenly looked shitty.

I'd say the other writers only looked as good as they did since they were being compared to Penders.

Penders really ruined the Archie comics in more ways than one.

>>94396661

Iizuka's direction with modern Sonic is stagnating and he's a piece of shit when it comes to Sonic "lore." He okay'd Mania but has run the modern games' designs into the automated hellholes they are. Also he's totally shoehorning Forces.

I'm more relaxed knowing Webber is there though.

>>94413921
I think he's referring to Babylon Rising. Tracy wrote that one too.

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>>94414419
He ain't done with the comics yet

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>>94414691


>>94414687
That was a pretty good arc

>>94412340
>dosmissive

>>94414497
>Also he's totally shoehorning Forces.
what does that mean?

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>>94412744
>>94412869

>>94412287
>you can count on you god given digits

>>94415660
I think he meant phoning it in, but I could be wrong.

>>94415660
>>94419277
I think he means that Sonic Mania is going to tie into Forces because Iizuka Forced them.

So far I've seen nothing backing that up though.

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>>94412869
Superior Shadamy Shippers coming through.
Anyone have the delightful fan art this tweet inspired?

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>>94421435
Oh never mind. I found 'em.

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>>94421559
I always find 'em.

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>>94421580
Always.

>>94421435
>Shadamy
>Superior
Dyin' over here

>>94421580
I feel like stick's reactions should be switched

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>>94421559
>>94421580
>>94421602

>>94419269
well its cooler to say count on your fingers and toes

>>94420680
people have been thinking that since Aggman in Forces says that Classic sonic in Forces is from another dimension and that Mania involves tracking down a mysterious energy that Mani will end with that Sonic ending up in foces

>>94403324
yfw horses

>>94399895
>>94399954
Wasn't it just a settlement?

>>94424879

>Aggman

>>94397230
>They get to use Sally and Nicole
>They turn them gay
Yay or nay?

>>94426728
That's hot, so yay

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>TFW Nintendo is still going to refuse to have Mario or any of their IPs get comics or possibly even manga.

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>>94421602
>inability to roll into a ball

>>94424879
>that Mani will end with that

>>94428701
>>94426573
its was 5am and i was getting ready for work gimme a break

>>94428790
No excuses!

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>>94427265
you mean current or ever?

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>>94426573
The Terrible!

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>>94430698

>>94430444
Currently.