>Batman would rather let the Joker run free than let Frank

>>94371822

I mean. By all accounts the Batman should be tying to stop the killer even if he is after a worse killer.

This isn't a Joker's life or an innocents life thing

>>94371849
Yeah but that doesn't require him to let the Joker run away

>Batcucks

Yes we know it's stupid. It's a comic book about a rich guy who decides to beat people up because his parents are dead. His greatest foe is a clown and he recruits orphan children to use in his crusade. Batman is not a sane person.

>>94371849

>pretending Joker being alive despite being so ridiculously evul isn't bad writing

>>94371865

Kinda does. If they're fighting there's a very real possibility that Frank will just ignore Bats and put on in him

>>94371865

He doesn't have the time to restrain Joker and the only way to stop Frank from murdering him is to make him go away. Worst case scenario is that the second he manages to take down Frank, Joker could stab him in the back.

>>94371933

>Batfags defending Batman defending a mass murderer

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Idea for the best Batman Punisher crossover.

Frank goes to Gotham to do what he does best. Starts out with some small crime bosses and works his way up the latter and eventually starts going after a few named villains.

Frank finally starts going after so named villains, but at this point Batman is right on his heels. He corner's Frank just as he's ready to put Joker down for the count. Except this time Joker is shot (Not fatally but he can't escape) Batman and Frank start fighting and after a while Batman is able to knock Frank out and calls for a police car and soon both Joker and Frank are arrested and put in Arkham.

In his cell Joker is laughing about how Frank couldn't finish the job but Frank pays him no mind. In fact he thinks he's rather grateful for Batman. Because now Frank is exactly where he wanted to be and just smugly smiles and tells one of the orderly he's looking forward to getting started on making real progress.

>>94371999

Frank wouldn't go to Arkahm, he'd go to Blackgate. And Frank in prison has been done to death at this point.

Thread reminder that Joker being alive always comes down bad writing.

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It was written by Chuck Fucking Dixon. If anyone had a handle on how to write both Batman and Frank, it's him.

>>94372094

Obviously Chuck Dixon knew Batman would let a mass murderer who will never quit run away if Frank was about to shoot the clown. What for? Bad writing.

>>94372131

By the way, it's the Joker being alive part in his comics that's bad writing.

>>94372131
>What for?

Because Batman doesn't look allow vigilantes to murder people, dipshit.

>>94372329
He also apparently doesn't bother to testify in court to have the Joker executed numnuts.

The whole "No vigilante justice" concept doesn't work when the courts don't kill the villains either.

>>94372389

You can't executed mentally ill. And Joker is certifiably insane.

>>94372329

>Batman runs around brutalizing criminals (who somehow do not die), hoarding super technology, and breaking laws
>suddenly is a lawfag

If Batman respected the law he wouldn't be a vigilante instead of a policeman or in government.

>>94371999
How many Franks would Frank have till he was legally Franked?

>>94371999

That's pretty much the Lockup episode from BTAS.

>>94372418

>And Joker is certifiably insane.
>pretending the Jury and Judge would have to accept an insanity plea
>pretending the Joker in a less badly written Gotham could pull off an Insanity Plea.

>>94372418
Criminally insane isnt the same. Dahmer was crazy too.

Legal insanity implies you don't know what you're doing. Joker is a super genius schemer and crime boss. He's not insane

>>94372433
That's why he's often depicted as being fully deputized, that way he's acting more like a Texas Ranger than a vigilante

>>94372586

If he has the authority of a lawman then he can kill the Joker.

>>94371822
>'That man has killed hundreds of people and caused massive amounts of property damage. Again."
>"No, set him free."
>"What the fuck? Why?"
>"My morals."

>>94372632

>Batfags defend it

>>94372586
>That's why he's often depicted as being fully deputized
when

Gotham Central he's explicitly not part of the department.

>>94372779

Even if he was, lots of cops shoot felons. What's Batman's excuse besides bad writing?

I like how scared Joker is of Frank.

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>>94371822
I think Batman wasn't so sure he could take Punisher down without the end result of Joker being killed. Punisher is a very capable of making it happen. So Batman's best option was to take Joker out of the equation.

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>>94371822
Yep. And?

>>94373092

>Batfags defend it

>>94371849
Imagine how many people the Joker killed for shits and giggles that night after Batman let him go.

>>94373092
Oh shit I didn't know Daredevil did a crossover with Army of Darkness

>>94372094
isn't Chuck Dixon responsible for Batman's shitty no killing under any circumstance rule? I can't pin point it exactly but in the 80s Batman was willing to kill in self defense. Then in the 90s he went full gay.

>>94372329
he just allows murders to murder people

>>94372925
He doesn't want to kill people.

>>94371901
The problem for people is, that he us still depict as morally right.

>>94373149
tsundere batman is best batman.

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>>94373149
Why doesn't Batman just profess his love to the Joker already?

Has anyone ever really done a story that shows how FUCKED UP Batman's morality really is?

>>94374213
>FUCKED UP Batman's morality really is?
It's not really. I mean imagine if Batman were a cop instead of an insane man dressed as a giant bat.

Would it be right for a cop to kill a criminal, or allow another criminal to kill a criminal, just because the courts won't kill said criminal and said criminal might escape and kill again? Hell, would it be right to criticize that cop for not doing so when literally anyone god damn else could after the criminal is already in custody? Fuck's sake, Lee Harvey Oswald only made it 2 days in custody.

And Batman's not even a fucking cop. He doesn't get paid to do this shit. He doesn't have a responsibility to god damn anyone. He's a god damn volunteer.

>>94374268

Batman makes it his responsibility as soon as he put on his tights. You're not exempt from it because you're a volunteer.

>>94371822
>trying to blame this on a fictional character instead of the hack that wrote him
Call me back when Frank actually kills a supervillain instead of one off mobsters.

>>94374283
>Batman makes it his responsibility as soon as he put on his tights.
Walking around with a bunch of self defense equipment and a giant bat costume does not require you to do jack shit any more than walking around with a gun, which he doesn't but a shitton of people do, would require anyone else to do anything.

>>94374313

Walking around picking a fight with criminals and constantly raising the stakes sure as fuck does

>>94374318
>Walking around picking a fight with criminals and constantly raising the stakes sure as fuck does
So stopping one crime requires you to stop all future crimes by that person? Batman doesn't raise the stakes. He simply stops, prevents, and solves crimes. And he doesn't pick the fight, he just takes it up. The criminals pick the fight with society.

And beyond all of this, none of this would obligate him to kill. I return you to the cop example.

>>94371822
He knows he's not gonna talk Frank out of this one. They're like two sides of the same psychosis.

>>94371981
You need to learn how to read, idiot, nobody was defending Batman. They needed to explain the situation to you like you're a fucking child.

>>94374283

Batman isn't Judge Dredd. If he started murdering people he couldn't do his job since the cops would be on his ass 24/7.

>>94371822
Why the fuck doesn't Shield just get rid of Frank? Dude's clearly a crazy person and is completely inconsistent on who counts as "bad enough to kill."

Seriously, Eminem is at risk for killing Barracuda in self defense but Thunderbolt Ross is okay cause he's a soldier too?

>>94374420
>Why the fuck doesn't Shield just get rid of Frank?

Because Nick Fury doesn't give a fuck.

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>>94371822
Niggas, you all know the real problem is that they let Joker amass a huge body count, but DC doesn't want to get rid of their cash cow so it becomes harder and harder to justify him being alive and getting saved by Batman

All this would be fixed if Joker barely killed anyone

>>94371822
Joker threads should be banned and anyone who makes them gets rangebanned. This cancer has been going on for a decade now.

>>94371822
Is Batman DC's equivalent of Justin Trudeau?

>>94374445

I liked him better as a clown themed hood anyways. This whole crazy psycho killer edgy shit

>>94374420
>Why the fuck doesn't Shield (an extralegal military force ostensibly devoted to protecting people that keeps assassins on its fucking payroll) just get rid of Frank (an assassin of the worst sort of criminals that has a near perfect record of clean kills)

>and is completely inconsistent on who counts as "bad enough to kill.
Retconned

>>94373512
>I can't pin point it exactly but in the 80s Batman was willing to kill in self defense
>I can't pin point it exactly

Because it never happened?

>>94374389
you think the cops would be on his ass for killing a mass murder who's killed dozens of cops?

>>94371999
>Frank goes to Gotham to do what he does best
Take out no-name, street-level thugs who have no effect on anything?

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>>94374734
don't play yourself,son

Yes. Shitty writers that write professional fan fiction cannot kill the most famous villain of all time and have to come with awkward reasons why

It has nothing to do with the character and everything to do with business

>>94374734
He's not wrong, and you're not wrong either. He's never actually killed anyone, but he once gave Jason a lecture about how they never kill anyone, unless it's in self defense.

>Blaming batman for his continued existence rather than the criminal justice system

Lol, ok. It's not batman's fault that the law can't be bothered with the death penalty.

He just catches the guys to get processed through the law. If they die because he caught them, he's fine with that.

He just refuses to be judge, jury and executioner.

>>94375399
this. I usually come to these threads dejected by the sheer amount of autism that Punisher fans have about Batman being so popular and not killing.

Anybody that wants batman to kill is either shitposting or simply an idiot. Batman would head Jim's call to rape the Joker before he ever even considered killing him. Seriously, there is one reason he became Batman, he's not going to start doing the exact same crime that set him on his path.

Why do people want batman to kill mooks is the real question? I seriously don't understand the question. It makes more sense to ask why he hasn't tried to become a magician in order to be more effective. Why don't people ask "why hasn't an angry parent or friend of a victim or a crazed cop killed the joker." to which there is NO answer. But I can't take anyone seriously who would ask why Batman hasn't done it. We've literally had issues consider the subject before.

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>>94375685
>Anybody that wants batman to kill is either shitposting or simply an idiot.

I forgive you my son.

>>94375685
>We've literally had issues consider the subject before.
They usually have stupid reasons like "If I kill him the city will send something worse to take his place."

That was when I stopped reading Batman.

>Why don't people ask "why hasn't an angry parent or friend of a victim or a crazed cop killed the joker."

People ask this question all the time. The answer is usually Batman will save him or something.

>>94371822
Batman is a crazy person with an unhealthy aversion to death which is why he works tirelessly to prevent any death he can even with the likelihood they'll go onto murder others.

>>94375697
>implying Synder WANTS Batman to kill
He had to be fallen so that he could rise, my son.

>>94371822
Joker and everyone else never should have been made killers. Can't execute someone who hasn't killed.

>>94376001
Batman should also be deputized so he can get away with killing, but chooses not to

>>94371822
what happens when the punisher accidentally an innocent?
one would picture the school shooter character would have to deal with that a lot

>>94375928
google escalation. It's why the Defense Department prefers not to take out generals and leaders. It's one of the things Nolan mentioned in Begins which made a good amount of sense.

There absolutely would be a power vacuum and someone would fill the void. Either someone more ruthless or someone more efficient. Either way that is absolutely what would happen. I mean, fuck, look at Chicago. Now or in the mafia days. Look at the middle east post-Saddam and Bin laden. It became even more of a fucking bloodbath. sometimes it's better to keep the scary man hiding in a cave rather than inspiring more scary men by making them martyrs.

If that's the reason you stopped reading Batman I don't know how you ever found joy from it. Realizing Dragon Ball Z was literally my morning poop in cartoon format for 10 minutes every episode didn't ruin my enjoyment for it.

>People ask this question all the time. The answer is usually Batman will save him or something.

I never see it asked and that would be dumb reasoning.

>>94376023
I believe there was a story where he believes he did so, he grapples over killing himself versus continuing the endless fight

But it turns out it was a trick, he never killed an innocent

>>94376023
Self-termination probably. The whole point is though that he's confident he won't because he's so precise.

It's just a bullshit copout, though. More than likely he's already killed innocents.

>>94376096

That's as dumb as Hulk never killing anyone in his rampages.

>>94371822
>the Joker actually ran
Bitch he'd hang out just to make things more interesting.

>>94372131
Dixon wrote something like 10 ten stories about Batman saving the Joker, all with weird gay undertones.

>>94376209
>all with weird gay undertones.

That's just Dixon's issues with gay people projecting into his writing again.

>>94376245
He is almost Card-tier in this.

>>94372632
>>"My morals."
"My superior morals."

>>94372710
I personally defend the characterization not the move. I don't have to think Batman is right to think he should think that way. In the grand scheme of things the joker needs to be dead or drugged to the point of essentially being lobotomized (or shit, just lobotomize him). But that isn't Batman's job nor should it be. While I'm sure the cops wanted to kill that boston bomber kid when they lit that boat up, had he been standing with his hands up it would have been wrong of them to shoot.

it's the same concept. Let the state execute him if they want.

Though that is where I begin to detest some writers. If "Batman" insists on keeping these villains alive because he thinks they can be reformed his should only be able to do so as Bruce Wayne, intense philanthropist who doesn't believe in execution. Batman should never be allowed to operate with or even be seen near a nut house. And really batman shouldn't be against state executions.

>>94374112
Fucking cunt.

>>94374420
>Eminem is at risk for killing Barracuda in self defense

Holy Shit, this is so stupid.

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>>94373794
This.

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>>94376209
No homo.

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>>94376209
It's not just Dixon

If killing the Joker means he wins, why not kill him with a reaper drone from the U.S. military? Not to turn this thread into a full on retarded /pol/ derailment but the military HAS been known to kill many innocents, either intentionally or unintentionally. It's one of those morally grey areas by its very nature. So why not have the government sick of the Jokers shit and get the army to send one of its drones while the Joker is out of the states and just drop him along with his goons? Surely The Wall has strings that she can pull to get that done.

>>94376998
I kind of wonder what Batman would do if the government gave him an ultimatum: "Either let us kill the Joker or we'll hunt you down too".

>>94377093
Joker is a terrorist, even if his goal is to cause chaos. Why the fuck would the government allow a domestic terrorist to run rampant multiple times? Yeah I know Gotham is "corrupt" and that is an explanation why writers can say he can get himself free so many times, but how many Americans have to die before the feds say enough is enough?

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>>94371822
>Batman
>Rational

>>94371933
no worst case scenario is that the Joker runs away and kills innocents or detonates a bomb he hid or something

>>94373527

So he's a coward.

>>94377812
Yes.
Depending on the writer it's perfectly in character to have thanatophobia.
Retards however can't accept this and think it makes no sense.

Reminder that the Joker on his first appearance was a serial killer and he died at the end of the issue but he was brought back for having so much potential, nevertheless the editor toned him down because having a serial killer as a regular villain would make Batman look incompetent.

>>94376931
This shit gave me some GAY-aids or something

>>94374268

>pretending cops haven't killed murderous felons
>pretending the Joker being sent to Gotham over and over isn't bad writing

.>>94374347
>>94374313

>Brutalizing suspects is okay as long as you don't kill them

>>94374375

>Batfag gets triggered
>>94374389

>The corrupt cops would be bothered by Batman killing a canonical child and cop killer

>Batfags believe this

What jury's going to convict Batman? They couldn't even convict George Zimmerman for shooting a teen gangsta wannabe.

>>94376038

>muh slippery slope
>Pretending any American criminal in our world is as ridiculous as the Joker in terms of body count, resources, and not being dead

If Joker is so dangerous then he should be declared an enemy of the state and have the feds sent after him until he gets dumped into ADX Florence or assassinated ala Anwar al-Awlaki.

>>94377225

>you just noticed the bad writing

>>94377920

>t. triggered batfag

>>94376123
Depends on the Joker.

this thread just seems like what every other "why doesn't batman kill X" thread is. They're normally just more subtle.

But it does generally seem to be punisher fans (sometimes red hoodfags) who just don't understand the appeal of batman.

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>>94371822
Not the first, or last time, Batman went out of his way to save Joker from someone actually willing to do what he couldn't.
At this point I don't doubt Batman would rather let Alfred die than The Joker

>>94378464
based on what exactly?

>>94378460

>don't understand the appeal of batman.
>Batfags believe this

>>94378490
But you don't lol. that's literally what the question means. The appeal of batman is that he doesn't kill the bad guy, he catches them. I mean jesus fucking christ. I don't understand the difficulty in understanding that. Just as the appeal of Punisher is he does. The reasoning for both is pretty valid when you consider neither of them have sound reasoning for doing any of the shit they're doing.

>>94378270
if you say so, sorry I accept the character has a consistent trait that drives him to save people and don't demand he act out of character to sate my autism.

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>>94378488
I can think of a few examples

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>>94378464
At this point I'm convinced Batman wants to make love to the Joker. His affair with Catwoman is just a front.

>>94378561
That clown butthole must be extremely good.

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>>94378460
If you actually read those threads instead of brushing these complaints as from edgy Punisherfags you might have realized that the problem isn't "Batman doesn't kill". The vast majority of people do not want Batman to kill. There's been a number of instances where he did and people reacted negatively to it every time. That's not the problem.

The problem is that the character operates on an outdated Silver Age morality that is simply incompatible with the current threat that The Joker poses. DC keeps ramping up The Joker's evil more and more and by this point it is completely ridiculous that no one has done anything to stop him and Batman is still going out of his way to save his life and in the process endangering hundreds of others, for reasons that are undeniably selfish. And it's really just the Joker. No one's asking him to kill Penguin, or Scarecrow, or the other villains. He doesn't even have to kill The Joker himself.

Silver Age Batman not killing The Joker because he plays by the law ? Perfectly fine.
Modern age Batman not playing by the law but still refusing to kill The Joker because he believes he will fall into a slippery slope and turn into what he hates if he kills ? Fine.
Batman going out of his way to save The Joker, who has commited every horrendous crime imaginable a dozen times over, from other people who actually are capable of putting The Joker down and saving hundreds of lives in the process ? Bullshit.

>>94371822
How the fuck does frank corner the joker? Get your shitty fan fix out of here.

Frank castle is just a dumb retard. Who's alive because of your childish wish fulfillment.

>>94371822
Batman would kill Alfred if it lead to the Joker getting away safe and sound.

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>>94378620
Batman seems to think so

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>>94378893
No one dies.

>>94378915

>Who's alive because of your childish wish fulfillment.

>Batman is not childish or wish fulfillment

But oh sure, tell us the man in a batsuit (also a supergenius master of martial arts) who brutalizes suspects is way more mature.

>>94378893
>from other people who actually are capable of putting The Joker down and saving hundreds of lives in the process ? Bullshit.

if those people aren't legally permitted to do so they are criminals, it is homicide, and he should stop them. As it stands they'd be tried on attempted murder and a slew of other charges and likely freed on a "justifiable" defense. But it eventually becomes a matter of "who is allowed to just open carry blasting at criminals and what precedent does that set?"

You can't talk about things being outdated and then leave out the fact that frank castle, with his skull logo, would be on every news broadcast's opening story for a year. He'd be seen as a serial killer or worse.

and I've actually said in a reply above that I think the joker should actually be dead by now. By means of a crazed family member or friend or something. But that's not a problem with Batman. And batman attempting to save a dying person isn't a problem with Batman. Batman getting there before the joker is dead is the problem with editorial.

>>94379263

>if those people aren't legally permitted to do so they are criminals, it is homicide, and he should stop them.

>Batman isn't a criminal

>>94379287
I never said that. but, of course, go ahead and dodge the crux of the post in order to act as if the punisher or any character that uses a gun is in any way more up-to-date than a character who refuses to let people die.

>>94371822
As someone who doesn't read capeshit, why is Joker so dangerous? Can you explain in which way exactly is The Joker capable of being a menace? I assume the comics want to be realistic and deep instead of being like the Burton movies, all I ever see the Joker do is stand there and either get beaten up by Batman or laugh and say something edgy.

>>94379327
Plot armor really.

And marketability. I mean they convinced Jared Leto he was making some dark scary horror flick just to get him on the posters.

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>>94379327

>>94379406
He has a... gun?

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>>94379406

>>94379327

Better question, what's stopping the Justice League from cleaning up Gotham?

>>94379454
They don't want to put Batman out of a job.

>>94371822
What pissed me off was how Frank just walked away. He didn't do "what has to be done" and fought back, specially when targeting a lunatic and dangerous psycho

>>94379454
I acknowledge that's 100% plot armor and it's pointless to ask, but every time there's an excerpt from a Batman story the Joker does nothing a common criminal isn't capable of. He doesn't come up with incredible plans, he's not a charismatic leader, he's just some guy with a grin and - as portrayed above - a gun. Why is he so fucking important?

>>94379507
>He doesn't come up with incredible plans, he's not a charismatic leader
The best Joker stories have both these aspects.

>>94379586
How? All I ever see is "lolimsoevil" and some really far-fetched explanation on why he's clever, but I've never seen him actually be clever. All his long history of crime comes from Batman working extremely hard on not killing him.

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>>94379628
It's that attention to detail. Batman's Planman and so is Joker, they can both punch above their weight thanks to their plans.

>>94379656
But you posted exactly what I'm complaining about: he's explaining why he's so clever and how he managed to put his unrealistic plan in motion, but there's nothing clever about what he's actually doing in the comic, in front of my eyes.

It's always such a massive cop-out with this character.

>>94379263
>You can't talk about things being outdated and then leave out the fact that frank castle, with his skull logo, would be on every news broadcast's opening story for a year. He'd be seen as a serial killer or worse.
Punisher stories never gloss over this fact. It's reinforced several times that he is deranged, that he is dangerous, destructive, and etc. If you actually read them, you'd remember just how many times he, and everyone else around him, say he is not a hero. Punisher is a madman with a vendetta and he's treated as such.

>if those people aren't legally permitted to do so they are criminals
And Batman is a criminal.

You ignored the point of my post which was: if Batman cannot bring himself to kill the Joker, then he shouldn't go out of his way to save him when he tries to kill himself or injure other people like >>94378561 for the sake of saving him. He is being extremely selfish.
Batman is literally the only person in the DC world besides Harley Quinn (half the time) who cares about whether The Joker lives or dies.

If those vigilantes that kill people are in the right was not the point of my post. You might want to pay more attention next time before immediately complaining about The Punisher to deflect criticism of an increasingly retarded rule.

>>94379710
>>94379628
>>94379507

What you're saying can be turned around on Batman. Namely when he's with the Justice League.

>>94379809
Yeah Batman has the same issues and the extent to which he'll protect the Joker is retarded over any suspension of disbelief, but I won't argue over this stuff because they obviously need the plot armor to keep the boat sailing.

My focus was just that there's never any serious plot, any real "juice" going on with the Joker. He's always doing something really clever and really evil, but it's always because the comic itself says so.

Now I'm not a Watchmen fanboy but if you look at Watchmen every character has a motive and actually puts his plan into action in the comic. You can feel the limits of the characters and even though some stuff's far-fetched, it still respects you as a reader. Some characters act in a clever way, some less so. And it's a comic that manages to bring down even a Superman type character because his human self gets manipulated into inaction. I can't even imagine how fucking huge the asspulls in a Superman comic must be.

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>>94379327
>Can you explain in which way exactly is The Joker capable of being a menace?
The Joker has stuck around as a villain not because he's so dangerous - hell, any villain can be dangerous.
Anyone can bullshit some super-advanced poison or uber-complex psychological campaign or huge, bloody massacre. Any villain can do what The Joker does now. Some villains stick around because they are clever, others because they are strong, others are both, and some are just endearingly popular.

Joker stuck around because he's a popular and because, at his best, he's funny. When The Joker debuted, he was just Hugo Strange in clown paint.
And then, he gained an imagination that could go where no other character's can, he can tell jokes based on genuinely sick topics that nevertheless wind up making the audience bust a gut. At his best, Joker is a truly unique character.
Yes, he can be a terrifying monster, but he's also a kooky weirdo who delights in the fact that he is a kooky weirdo and lives entirely by his own rules. He turns ancient slapstick gags into offensive weapons, drives cars with his face on them (or used to), and themes his crimes around strange things that amuse him or tickle his obsessions, such as clowns, playing cards, and fish.
There are zillions of crazed maniacs running around the world of comics; he used to stand out from them because he was uniquely peculiar.

That's how it used to be. Now, Joker is no different than characters like Carnage or Mr.Zsasz, and all his stories are virtually the same.
He kills a zillion people, makes some fakedeep speech about chaos and anarchy and whatnot, Batman grits his teeth, they fight and either the Joker is hauled by the cops or apparently dies.
Now, it's because he's edgier and more popular than everyone else, and so writers like Snyder continuously have him be the best villain at everything while throwing the other rogues under the bus to justify The Joker's status.

At this point, it would probably be more plausible if they created a guardian angel character that protects the joker and keeps him from being killed. At least then Batman wouldn't have to keep saving him.

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>>94379952
I don't believe you've actually read many Joker comics.

>>94380016
Guilty as charged. I was just commenting on the storytimes where Joker is inevitably explaining why his plan is so great - and that's it.

>>94380038
Well he's only as smart as the person writing him. Think of the image meme of that one anon comparing No Country for Old Men with Sherlock, where in the latter smart people are indistinguishable from wizards.

>>94373584
Yes, if you read a Batman book he will be perceived as in the right. Just like if you'd read a Punisher book he'd be perceived as in the right. It's all about perspective.

How come DC stuff keeps having superheroes who finally kill their super murdering villains become supervillains (see Justice Lords or Injustice) or things otherwise go downhill?

What's stopping Batman from just turning himself in, getting tried and aqcuitted, and doing something other than running around beating clowns using his resources? Cops killing thugs hasn't turned society into Mad Max.

>>94371822
>Batman telling Joker to run
>Joker looking terrified runs like a scared little bitch

Anyone else triggered by this? Since when ha Joker ever been afraid of a bullet? He'd be laughing at this whole situation of Batman trying desperately to keep him live!

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>>94381305
He found it funny up until the point where it looked like Frank was going to shoot him point blank and there was no way out of it.

>>94371822
The real question is why the fuck doesn't the state just execute Joker already? Are they scared Batman is going to fucking kill the entire government if they try it?

>>94381497
Gotham has a legally dubious definition of legal insanity because their popular villains can't actually die.

>>94381526

So try them outside of Gotham. It's not like the most dangerous villains haven't gone outside of the city. The Joker even ended up as a diplomat in the arc where he killed Jason Todd.

>>94374112
From which comic is this picture?

>>94381628
Been done before, when he caused another international incident, all that came from it was that he was sent to the Slab, one of DC's prisons for supervillains. This led to Last Laugh where he succeeded in Jokerizing just about every villain in the DCU, the Slab was moved to Antarctica, and he was placed in permanent isolation. Then he escaped off panel because Loeb wanted to use him in Hush and no one ever spoke of all that again.

>>94381698

So bad writing.

>>94381723
Joker can't actually die because he's one of DC's most popular, recognizable characters. The real issue is that writers can't restrain themselves from over-the-top kill counters because they want to be like Frank Miller (who wrote the Joker that way because he was doing the "last" Joker story for that). Before DKR yeah Joker started killing people in the bronze age again, but mostly other criminals and his own gang, with the occasional innocent and in stories where he killed innocents he'd get punished at the end by "dying."

>>94374389
Why would the cops be on his ass for killing THE JOKER of all people?

>>94378561
The animated version of that was so much better. Still cheesy but you felt like there was an actual attempt at saving them both rather than hey let's just save my husbando
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VRiX5Mh2YCo

>>94381791

And nobody would convict Batman or risk career suicide to prosecute him.

>>94378245
What is autism.

>>94371822
I honestly blame the local government. You'd think eventually someone would just expedite the legal process and have him executed as soon as he's caught.

>>94371822
oy gevalt