>"Why don't normies like Superman, he's not

DCAU paints him as a stoic god.
I want silly, charming, down to earth super dad kind of Superman

>>94317120
I mean DCEU*

>>94317095
>Not perfect or OP means to drag him down to our level
Guess what OP? You are a normie.

>>94317138
You were right the first time

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you're letting them kill marthe

>>94317095
DCEU Supes is depressing as fuck. And DCEU movies (ending of BvS and JL trailers) keep shilling the whole "He is a beacon of hope and inspired all of us." bullshit. But it's just not believable. That "No one stays good in this world" line from BvS just made me really sad when I heard it.

>>94317159
>liking the superman of murder
>2013+4

>>94317183
>"He is a beacon of hope and inspired all of us." bullshit. But it's just not believable.
Fucking this.

Superman from the movies is like Carol Danvers from the comics in this regard.

>>94317167
kek these posts will never not make me laugh

>>94317120
not even stoic more like some Greek pantheon god that just does nothing but fuck mortals up cause he can

>>94317183
>>94317216
He did get a statue built of him. And a few lines from Perry and Clark tell that he was liked enough.

But that's the issue, it's told, not shown. All you see are the people who hate him, save a few people with positive signs at the capitol building.

>>94317095
DCAU Supes is well-liked.

My biggest pet-peeves are the job (that was more a JL thing) and the lack of Lois/Clark while we had shit like Lex/Lois and Bruce/Lois.

Then again, Dini and Timm cucked Dick and Katar big time, while Bruce ended up living a miserable life without love and Selina wasn't really her. The lack of Lois/Clark seems almost tame.

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>>94317095
I like this Superman.

>>94317298
>DCAU Supes is well-liked.
Really? Just about every JL thread I see has more than few people whining about how much of an angry dick he was or something.

>>94317095
Only the best Superman is smiling.

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>>94317374
Holy shit only one of them is smiling. This is wrong. Japanese Superman or bust.

>>94317095
Superman isn't supposed to be the standard, he's the IDEAL.

>>94317095
Man, I miss Dean Cain Superman.

>They remembered Kirk Alyn
That makes me happy, Alyn is underrated as hell. He even pulled off the more assertive Clark ages before Crisis on Infinite Earth.

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>>94317095
>Actually defending Snyder Superman

>>94317716
He didn't need to jump out of the way of that

>>94317716
MAN OF MURDER

>>94317345

Well see, Superman isn't allowed any emotions beyond smiling happily with a permanent rictus.

>>94317095
Timm painted him as a dickwad
Tim Daly's voice was too stern I think as well

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>have to CGI Henry Cavill's hair because he's bald

>have to CGI his mustache

>>94317754

It's called a reflex to dodge. He's literally in his second fight of his life.

>>94317345
he was an angry dick
and also got beaten up an awful lot

>>94317214
I mean that DCAU Superman is boring. That and he wanted to Kill Darkseid for years

Really, memes aside, why do people say Cavillman doesn't act heroic? I get it if you don't like his somber and introspective nature, that's subjective. But you see him doing things like rescuing the oil rig workers, saving a guy who had previously been attacking him, using his job as a journalist to stand up for people he thinks are being mistreated, all the stuff during the news montage, sacrificing his life for others, etc.

Once again, I understand if you don't like the execution, but he's obviously altruistic. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been so distraught about Lex blowing up Washington.

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Hey /co/, remember when you were crying about not muh Superman why he wasn't automatically 100% loving and supportive stepfather figure to his clone in Young Justice?

>>94317944
You know, I just watched the fight scene again, and all Supes does is that, and scrape Zod's face against the glass of a building. That's it. Most of it was the World Engine.

>>94318009
It's because he mostly saves people in situations where a competent team of firemen would suffice, outside of the oil rig thing. The fight in Metropolis with Zod really stands out since Supes actively allows collateral damage to happen, as seen in >>94317716

>>94317989
This is why "people don't like Superman." Fans insist on making him a burning, morally perfect deity instead of a Super Man. Sit someone down in front of media where he's allowed to be an actual character, and people often respond to it. STAS was successful, Lois and Clark was successful, Smallville was initially successful, and so on.

>>94318114
>It's because he mostly saves people in situations where a competent team of firemen would suffice

Yeah, that's not heroic. Fucking poser.

>>94318064
in both cases it was Batman who was the more trusting and compassionate one rather than Superman

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>>94317095

>>94318141
It's heroic in a real world grounded sense, but it's also not superhero heroic. I think a few more impossible odds type rescues would have sold it better, but then you run the risk of people complaining like when Superman Returns caught the plane.

I fucking loved that scene btw, the airplane buckling at the superstructure ribs and the sings coming off was great.

>>94318155
Keep in mind, Bruce has far more experience with kids and "sons".

Speaking personally, if I had a teenage pseudo son with all sorts of psychological issues dumped into my lap that I never knew even existed, I'd be at a loss at how to handle it too.

>>94318197
Yeah, I really hate Superman Returns (seriously who the fuck thought making him a stalker/deadbeat was a good idea?), but that was an incredible scene. It alone was worth the price of admission.

>>94318197
>I think a few more impossible odds type rescues would have sold it better,

You mean like when he's saving those soldiers from Faora and Namek in Smallville? Stopping Lois from bleeding to death in minutes with his heat vision? Saving that exploding space shuttle in BvS? Dragging a shipwrecked vessel in the Arctic?

>>94318280
soldiers arent civilians in need of rescue, there is a strong mental association there and you know it. Anyone with a hot piece of metal could have cauterized Lois and movie logic would let it pass, BvS doesnt fucking count for peoples perception of him which formed years before that and i will give you the ship.

>>94318339
A part of the problem is that it was all montage, you only see most of these for 5 or 10 seconds, where the oil rig scene or Returns with the plane last several minutes, ditto that with Reeve catching the helicopter in the first movie.

>>94318381
>you only see most of these for 5 or 10 seconds

Oh so there's a distinct time limit that has to be crossed before it "counts"

>>94318472
Yes. If it's not something that stands out then it isn't going to become part of your perceived image of the character. Any acts of heroism are drowned out by the spectacle of destruction that followed as they were much larger setpieces and perceptionally more important character moments. This is why the tornado scene gets so much flak It's a moment when Clark could have been heroic, and instead stood around and did nothing for 3 minutes.

>>94317120

The DCAU did not show him as stoic. It was the most human portrayal of Superman ever shown

>>94318679
Read my next post I meant the DCEU

>>94317716
The way he turns around to look at the explosion makes this look like a comedy scene.

>>94317120
Nobody cares about what you want, faggot.

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>>94318679
Close, but wrong.

>>94317271
Its not even told that much. Its half heartedly alluded to and then the rest of the movie is dominated showing how people fear/hate him. The positive is drowned out by the negative. Even the bits that show him saving people (the montage) is so buried under snyders shitty imagery that you come away depressed.

>>94317883
Thanks for making that post, for a second there I almost thought people on the internet ACTUALLY read comics.

>>94318009
>distraught
>mild look of constipation before flying off

>>94318009
>throws zod through buildings, causing needless amounts of collateral damage, later kills him
>smashes that redneck's pickup out of petty revenge
>does mostly nothing in BvS until he hears about Batman, or finds out Lois is in trouble

>>94318206
And there is the fact that Superboy was created by Superman's enemies specfically to kill and/or replace Superman. Later Bats even admits that Connor could have subliminal programming they don't know about.

In that scene where Clark and Bruce are in the diner talking about the whole thing, if Supes had explained himself better instead of storming out fans would have been more accepting. So while I understand Superman's awkwardness around Connor, I can see why others might not like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZW61C2_DJY

>>94317095
Because DC has been pushing him to be a poor man's Spider-Man. Why would anyone want to read a poor man's Spider-Man over Spider-Man himself?

>>94318280

You are selectively picking out a few BRIEF circumstances. For example, your first one - he could have done more to prevent damage to people and property in Smallville than just the one instance you're showing when he saved a few soldiers. How many people do you think were in those office towers in Metropolis. Compare it to 9-11, not just in the damage and loss of life to the two towers (and there were more buildings damaged in MoS) but to the ancillary damage to the people on the streets, first responders, etc., damage they are suffering up to today.

>>94318550
It wasn't just the tornado scene, the response with the truck driver (it's highly unlikely the trucker owned the truck, he was likely a driver for hire and damages like that would not be covered by insurance - even if they were covered by insurance, that's just loss and property damage for no good reason. Likewise, it didn't just hurt the driver even if it was HIS truck, it also did damage to the power lines and other things.) It was a petty and dickish move, with absolutely nothing to think of it as heroic and saying that he was standing up for the waitress is BS.

Yes, he did, indeed and in fact, stand up for her. That IS admirable. Once he backed down inside the diner, the rest of it is not AT ALL admirable, much less heroic.

>>94319654
>>smashes that redneck's pickup out of petty revenge

Better than going out of his way to go back and physically bully the asshole trucker in Superman 2.

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>>94318064
>>94318155
>>94318206
>>94319840

As Wally West said to Batman in The Flash, no one should "take" being "lectured" by a man who has gone through four Robins.

>>94321955
>he could have done more to prevent damage to people and property in Smallville than just the one instance you're showing when he saved a few soldiers.

Like how? Every time he tried to take the fight away he was pulled back to the street. He was being outmatched by engaging two highly experienced soldiers with the same powers as him. And as for the Metropolis fight, the World Engine had already caused massive damage, and he had no opportunity to do anything but keep Zod occupied once he made his genocidal ultimatum.

>>94319306
I care about what he wants.

>>94317167
You nearly made me spit out my tea

>>94317716
He knew the building was evacuated. That's why he just jumped over it. But he was still distraught by the destruction so he turned to look at it but that's when Zod got in a cheap shot. Snyderman is a hero.

>>94317716
Why is the picture so dark? Why is the camera shaking? This isn't even a real explosion.

>>94317492
Dean Cain is part Japanese

>>94322168
>Why is the camera shaking?
Snyder was holding the camera while fapping imagining that explotion in post production.

>>94322017
At this point in Young Justice Dick Grayson was the one and only Robin.

>>94318155
>>94318064
godawful writing (on purpose) by an insane showrunner does that

>>94317095
People complain aviut his power level. Not his personality.

>>94317716
Its like at first, he's all like, "Ah yeah, that looked totally badass." And then he realizes there's an explosion and then the explosion destroys the building and he's just like, "OH. UM."

>>94318064
Greg Weisman doesn't get Superman. And yeah. It did piss me off when I saw it.

>>94317095
people like an underdog or a hero that struggles to be stronger, than a hero that struggles to be weaker so he doesn't break anything.
Supes is always the guy who holds back in everything.
Depending on the writer his strength also varies. The only way to beat superman is out wit him to surrendering and that's pretty boring to people.

>>94322466
>Godawful writing

Superman should have gone OMG MY OWN CLONE! FINALLY I HAVE A HOMICIDAL AND POSSIBLY TICKING BIOENGINEERED WMD TIME BOMB OF MY OWN TO SPEND CHRISTMAS WITH!

>>94317095
>fix peoples problems with supermans powers by changing his personality.

>>94317095

Its the fact that he is far to powerful, and I know you said that, but as a person who doesn't care about or read superman thats the reason why. When DC has a rule about superman never losing its just pointless to read his stories. his villains are all fairly lame too.

Most of the DCU heros are the same, wonder woman is a cringy hypocrite who runs from man hating cunt to boring man hating cunt.

Batman is "prep time!' and as the most human of the bunch, he seems the most flawed and retarded. the man is a super genius and still hasn't figured out that joker is not curable.

>>94317716

Snyder is literally making the Randroid Superman.

>>94317095
So you're just full of cognitive dissonance, huh?

>>94322550
>only way to beat superman is out wit him to surrendering
Or to fucking beat him to death like Doomsday did you retarded casual. This arguement is fucking retarded anyway, when was the last time Bruce or Diana got beaten in a fist fight? All of Batman's "greatest" failures are when the villain outwitted him not clobbered him to death.
> than a hero that struggles to be weaker so he doesn't break anything.
This was literally Arkham Batman. The reason they gave for him not insta-KOing thugs is he needed to hold back so he didn't kill the thugs.

Most people who hate Supes are actual kids who are Batfags but think being a Batfag means you HAVE to hate everyone else.

>>94322779
This is what a person is like when the only thing they know about DC characters are memes.

>DC has a rule about Superman never losing

He got his shit pushed in by the Zod Squad and needed his friends to come and save him just an issue ago.

>Wonder Woman

Shes actually written as caring, cute woman in the stories that don't suck.

>Batman
>Most human of the bunch

If by "human" you mean "dysfunctional" then yeah. But Superman is the most normie with a 9-5 job, a boss, social obligations, and a family.

>>94322779
>When DC has a rule about superman never losing its just pointless to read his stories
[citation needed]

Seriously what garbage criticism is this? That's not specific to Supes or even DC. You could literally apply this to every goddamn comic character out there. No one is ever going to stay dead.

>>94317095
Why do you fags want normies to like him? Normies make everything worse.

>>94317716
>People complaining about this.
>Not realizing that building was evacuated.
>Not realizing by accidentally destroying the building superman created more Jobs.

>>94317716
>Could have easily stopped millions of dollars of property damage by taking the hit which wouldn't' have hurt him

>Looks like he's trying to do a "yeah I'm such a cool guy" pose while the explosions go off.

God damn it Zack.

>>94319437
This.

There's just a shroud of negativity and distance throughout the entire movie.

>>94323332
>No one is ever going to stay dead.
Uncle Ben, zatarra zatarra (I kind of want him to get a film before zatanna though) jor el, lara el, thomas wayne, Martha wayne, whats his name that was green lantern of kryptons sector when it exploded. Punishers family.

For the most part just be key to a backstory and you will just be trotted out for a few issues rvery now and then.

>>94317095
The DCEU doesn't depict him as a fallible human, it depicts him as an autistic alien god.

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>>94317167

>>94323311
>Or to fucking beat him to death like Doomsday did you retarded casual.
>reeeeeeeee I'm easily insulted when some one answered my question!
Look autismo, I gave you a reason why, the only character was doomsday and after that he still came back to life.
Also you are comparing characters that are more easily harmed than superman.
>This was literally Arkham Batman. The reason they gave for him not insta-KOing thugs is he needed to hold back so he didn't kill the thugs.
nice head canon. It wouldn't be a game if you just have the "I win button."
You are a butt hurt superfag who gets so ass pained that the majority of people aren't sucking superman's dick.

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>>94323407

>>94323407
>>94323425
thank you more like these

>>94317095
why are superman fans so easily threatened by everything these days?

>>94318122
People don't want him to be mr rogers, they just find Snyder' edgelord Batman-lite superman boring and dumb.

Remember when they tried to reinvigorate superman by giving him long hair, a black costume and guns? Remember how nakedly desperate it was? The outlook that created that is what created DCEU Superman.

>>94317095
Normies like superman, /co/ has autistic idiots thinking that superman not being more popular than batman or not making as much money from movies as iron man it means that people don't like him

Star wars made less money than avatar, doesn't mean star wars isn't more popular, thing is normies are not necessarily CONSUMERS of all the things they like. The biggest complaint normies had about BvS was that was both too confusing and the lack of superman, normies like cavill, they believe there's too little of him.


Superman isn't popular among Casuals tho, but among normies he is clearly more popular than any marvel character not named spider-man, the fact superman and now spider-man are not making more money with their movies means that the target audience wanted something different, not that the characters are not popular. Superman is still the third most popular superhero and the most famous in the entirr world.

>>94318679
fucking up and being depressed does not = human. There are more sides to humanity than that. Dean Cains superman was more human.

>>94322017

Using Johns as an example means you either dislike batman so your opinion about him is biased or that you are a casual.

>>94322550
Mongol
Metallo
Darkseid
Brainiac
Lex in his super suit
Parasite
Doomsday
Zod
Imperiex
Cyborg superman

How the fuck hard do you think it is to bring in or invent a character who is stronger than Superman? Do you think they don't do this? Have you never picked up a comic before in your life?

>>94317095
why do you asking these questions when all you do is just sperg out over the answers?

>>94323674
have you? seems like every time superman still beats them. Superman isn't an underdog story, he's a mortal that is near god status and all supes does is pull out a random power he has or ram into it at high speeds. The guy doesn't even need to breath and has all the powers that he needs. He's boring.

>>94317095
I'm a normie and I love Superman. I have every single live action Superman movie on Blu-Ray/DVD.

Henry Cavill's Superman is the most comic book accurate to post-Crisis Superman.

>>94322550
You obviously never read a single Superman comic, Marvelcuck.

>>94323601
Except the complaints long predate MoS.

>>94323601
>Snyder' edgelord Batman-lite superman boring and dumb
>boring
>dumb
Marvelcuck confirmed. Obviously you never watched Man Of Steel. They made Superman comic book accurate to his post-crisis reboot, thus making him more relate-able. A Marvelcuckold like you have never picked up a single Superman comic, you just hate him because you're an edgelord who thinks Superman is overpowered, campy & light, like his pre-crisis incarnation would indicate. So you turn to reading Punisher comics because it's dark & edgey for you.

>Remember when they tried to reinvigorate superman by giving him long hair, a black costume & guns? Remember how nakedly desperate it was?
Oh you're talking about when he was powerless & back from the dead during the greatest Superman storyline of all time, which is "The Death & Return Of Superman"? He had no choice but to use guns to combat against Cyborg Superman and then he got his powers back towards the end of the story. The long hair was due to the fact that he's been dead for so long. Which actually worked for him in the comics. The black suit was temporary until he got his powers back, where he once again sported his red and blue costume. So desperate? Afraid not, Marvelcuck. Your false information is painfully obvious though.

>>94324626
>>94324445
>underaged so easily triggered

Smallville Superman is the best one

>>94325221
>Underage
The Death & Return of Superman storyline is 24 years old. I was 9 when I started reading comics. I was 11 when the Death Of Superman storyline began. So that would be a no, Marvelcuck.

>so easily triggered
That would be (you) Marvelcuck.

>>94317095
People like to powerfag superman even if they say they like him as fallible

People don't hate Snyder's Superman because of his realism, but because he didn't act at all like Superman.

>>94326215

>People don't hate Snyder's Superman because of his realism, but because he didn't act at all like Superman.

The problem is even if you take the Superman name off of him he's still a fundamentally boring character.

>>94325388
I didn't make a thread bitching about normies underagefag

>>94323425
>the skreeeonk at the end
kek, every time.

>>94317095
Something about the name Reeves just equals based suit.

>>94317331
So disney's Hercules?

>>94317716
I'm gonna defend this. He didn't know that would happen. He just dodged the truck, noticed the explosion, probably thought "OH...SHIT." and then Zod punched him in the gourd while he was distracted.

Maybe you feel like Superman shouldn't be Homer Simpson saying "IT'S MY FIRST DAY" but I dunno, I think it works.

>>94317374
His initials are even DC. So based. Him in the OG Reeves suit with the stitches S would be perfect.

>>94318185
D'awww

>>94317716
Why wouldn't he try and clap them together and try to hit Zod?

>>94319418
Morrison thinks Superman can't cry because he's Superman. That's very inhuman.

>>94327590
Pa Kent's death proves you wrong.

>>94323418
Not that guy, but Superman coming back after his death with Doomsday doesn't prove jack shit. He still died, he still struggled and still had to sacrifice himself to protect others. There are many Superman stories where Superman wins a fight or solves a problems through sheer luck. Superman isn't perfect. The fact that most of his enemies are as strong or stronger than he is shows that he's not going to win every fight easily. Fucking pick up a Superman comic, dude.

>>94317095
He's 'Super' man, not 'Regular' man, he's supposed to be the thing we try to be, not a representation of our flaws.

>>94323798
>he still beats them
No fucking shit. This is like complaining about Batman always beating The Joker or Wonder Woman always beating Ares. They don't always win that easily, but they do because they're the heroes of the story and fight for what's right. They've lost a few times but they always come out on top because that's what heroes do. Hell, in the recent Action Comics arc Superman couldn't stop a bunch of his villains alone so his robot servant called the other Super people and Lex to save him. Zod even got away with his wife Ursa, their son and the Eradicator. Mongul was punched by Zod into space, Cyborg Superman was left in the Phantom Zone, they stopped Metallica and Blancque was mind fucked. Superman didn't even beat most of them, the others did or Zod fucked his own team. Again, read a Superman comic before you talk shit about a character you obviously know nothing about.

>>94326356
I didn't make this thread, Marvelcuck.

>>94328221
In a world full of Supermen there's only one...
Bycicle repair man!

>>94328221
There's nothing wrong with Superman having flaws. In fact they did that with him in the comics back in the mid 80's after Crisis. Besides, the pre-crisis Superman is outdated.

>>94323313
Wasn't that his point though? That that is is what the general public feels?

>>94326780
This.
Superman is an americlap.
He should be clapping all the time.

>>94327590
>Literally cries at his father's funeral

Fuck you you casual piece of shit.

>>94323798
>The hero meets physical challenges that he overcomes through great effort! What shit writing, this has never been done before!

Holy fuck.

>>94326339
This is such a pleb, normie opinion I have no idea what the fuck you're doing here.

>>94317271

In the first Donner film, there is an entire sequence of Superman doing heroic things without stopping for reward or recognition. He goes from something as mundane as getting a cat from a tree to helping a plane with a lost engine fly right. The whole point of the sequence was to show him being a heroic figure, to let us see why people would see him as a beacon of hope.

MoS and BvS tell us that he is this beacon of hope while spending little time showing us why people would think of him as one.

>>94331485

Explain why it is such a "pleb" opinion.

>>94331956
because Kal-El actually grows as a character throught MoS and BvS.
>>94331929
Superman wasn't a beacon of hope in MoS. The movie was about the BIRTH of superman.
BvS had the entire sequence where superman rescues people from buildings, pulls a ship out of an ice pocket and saves astronauts from destruction.

The issue with DCEU version is simple.
You're probably are just gonna > at this but, you know Megamind? "The difference between a villain and a super-villain is presentation"?
The difference between a hero and a superhero is much the same. He does heroic things, but the lens it's presented through filters the super out of it.

>>94332096
>BvS had the entire sequence where superman rescues people from buildings, pulls a ship out of an ice pocket and saves astronauts from destruction.
And he looked absolutely miserable during it. Donner's Superman acted liked he wanted to help you. Synder's Superman acted like kindness was chore.

>>94331929
>spending little time showing us why people think of him as one
You obviously didn't watch MoS. He saved a bus full of children. He saved workers from an oil rig explosion. He saved some soldiers. He saved the whole world from Kryptonians.

>>94332458
He detested the fact that people were beginning to worship him like a god instead of the good samaritan that he was.
They built statues of the godlike being, and it was after he died saving the world is when people started to respect the man, and not just the Super.

>>94332529
>They built statues of the godlike being, and it was after he died saving the world is when people started to respect the man, and not just the Super.
That makes no sense. Why would someone being a martyr stop them from worshiping him as a god? Martyrdom is literally the entire point of Christianity.
And what happens when he comes back for Justice League? He'll literally have resurrected; why would people think he's just a man after doing that?