Still believe there isn't a gay agenda in modern comics

>>94278440
People were saying Marvel had a gay agenda all the way back to the first X-Men movie.

Isn't this from that godawful self-inset comic about the hispanic chick from the lesbian planet?

>The X-Men don't have a gay agenda

What fucking century are you from?

Please tell me this is an edit

>>94278496

To quote Rocket Raccoon, IT'S REAL!

Can /co/ stop sucking Rivera's dick for a day?

>>94278440
Marvel has always pushed leftist progressive views since its very inception, DC as well. You've gotten old and realized none of it makes sense or is too pervasive to be acceptable.

Of course it doesn't help that the writing is exhaustively repetitive and trite.

>>94278496
It's real
Marvel hired a shitty novice writer because DIVERSITY!!

>>94278440

Agenda's are a secondary issue to Marvel's biggest problem: No editorial direction.

I swear Marvel Comics seems to actively hate their product, not just the characters they don't hold the rights to.

If a character is not a recent baby from one of their darling writers, it gets to lick lead paint while the real new heroes show them up.

>>94278440
Why do you keep making these threads OP?

>>94278440

Don't like - don't buy/pirate/read

>>94278541
He's desperate for attention

>>94278496
Wich worse part the blocks of text or the art?

>>94278523
>Marvel has always pushed leftist progressive views since its very inception, DC as well.
Not to this extreme. Not at all. And in the past there was still a healthy amount of cheesecake/fanservice to balance things out. That's all gone now.

>>94278440
Requesting somebody post a few Sonichu pages so we can compare the dialogue.

>>94278523

Not really DC though. DC has a pretty healthy balance of Conservative characters. Hawkman, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Icon, most likely Batman, just to name a few

>a few pages later dreadlocks lesbian stabs Mexican lesbian

But OP, Marvel is properly representing the fact that lesbians are statistically the most physically abusive of their partners in LGBT relationships

>>94278635
>Those characters
>Conservative

oh you!

>>94278440

It's some awkward-ass dialogue, but I don't really see how it's gay propaganda.

What exactly would the end goal/purpose of gay propaganda even be?

>>94278670

Maybe not Batman, but the other 4 actually are Conservatives. It's been discussed in the comics.

you are homophobic trash

>>94278440
I'm sure a ton of "Edgy Signaling" artists legitimately like to draw the overly-buff, ridiculous muscled figures with brooding 12-packs and a dozen gun holsters, that doesn't mean they'd have as much of an outlet for their works if the company behind them didn't enable them.

Why aren't you complaining about Edge Signaling anon? Don't you care how Edgy Signaling is ruining the quality of comics? For god's sake, think of the children! Artists have free reign obviously, but their Edge Signaling is harming comics clear and simple! It's all a political conspiracy, there's no money involved with Edge Signaling, the artists are like, compromised man. Why don't you care about Edge Signaling when artists like Rob Liefeld continue to push their Edge Ideology, this agenda is harmful and destructive to comics! They purposefully add in Edge Signaling, I'm angry at them for their Edge Signaling when quality continues to suffer. Their are some good examples of Edge Signaling, like Cable, but most Edge Signaling is corrosive to comics as a whole.

Right, because Marketing teams aren't dangling that over you so you'll find the closest equivalent to complain about.

So what are some decent gay characters? Who is the Arcade Gannon of /co/?

>>94278635
>Icon
Icon is a Milestone character.

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FUCK GAYS I'M TIRED OF THIS SHIT

ANAL SEX IS FUCKING GROSS AND IMMORAL AND YOU'RE ONLY DOING IT BECAUSE YOU CAN ANTAGONIZE PEOPLE WITHOUT BREAKING ANY LAWS

ENJOY YOUR INCONTINENCE YOU SNOWFLAKE FAGS

>>94278737

Your response is incoherent. "Edgy" characters aren't pushing a degenerate political or social agenda, they're just stupid.

>>94278579
Wow so you're just some kind of disgusting perv who wants to read glorified cheesecake?
There's hentai for that.
I don't know if these comics, quality wise are good.. I mean, probably not.
But I'm just loving them because they finally are starting to knock Capeshit down a peg. Maybe we can finally get some other types of comics for once.

>>94278558
Text, easily. Ugly faces aside the art isn't that bad. The writing is something else.

If you remove the text the art actually speaks for itself. Kate is looking wistfully at them. That's all you need.

>>94278782

Who was adapted into DC when DC bought Milestone.

>>94278715
To be fair these are some pretty scary homos

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>/co/ will say that there's no agenda here and whoever say otherwise is /pol/

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>>94278786
> "Edgy" characters aren't pushing a degenerate political or social agenda

Aren't they though?

Aren't they?

>>94278786
Oh? That's okay then, cool I'm glad to know.
Hey everyone let's push in EPIC Edge Signaling back XD and some Deviant art OCs- Ted from marketing told me those ones aren't really ideological at all so it's cool. Quality can be shit and we can throw in some Diaper fetishes and Furry Signaling as well, there's no social agenda behind that. We're good to go guys!

>>94278843

Again, incoherent. But you do you mate.

>>94278440
Kind of funny how the only ones who deny a gay agenda are those pushing a gay agenda.

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>>94278800
>Ugly faces aside the art isn't that bad

>>94278440
I really think it's unfair to claim the writer of America is pushing an agenda.

I think she is just a beyond terrible author.

>>94278827
This reads like an Edit if someone added the references via changing their dialog.
What's bizarre is the art and rest of the comic seems cool and coherent but they're referencing Gamergate# for some reason.

>>94278635
Indeed, with only 9 heroes total in DC, those uh, are a really great balance

>>94278685
>What is the end game
Make people not hate gays, I guess

>>94278786
>An anon on 4chan complaining about degeneracy
Take your (You)

>>94278635

Batman is not a fucking conservative. His moralistic qualms almost never have direct correlation to US leftist/rightist political stances.

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>I'm literally intrigued and in awe of both of them

>This is what marvel considers acceptable writing

>>94278440
I just want to know one thing.
How hard did this shit fail in sales?

>>94278843
But Rocket Raccoon is Marvel's "new" hotness right now? I advocate for more furshit in comics! :3c

>>94278864
Why are you so dismissive of Edge Signaling?
Do you want the quality of good ol' Cape Comics to suffer or something? Are you a masochist or some Comic Igniter trying to destroy them with your Agenda?

I think maybe you're the problem anon, what's with this Comic Igniter Social Agenda of yours?

>>94278915

I didn't even mention virtue signaling. Dude just fuck off at this point

>>94278934
>Trying this hard to dismiss edge signaling
It's like you want the comic industry to suffer

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>>94278872
You're standards are high if you think that's not tolerable as part of the background. Some of the shit you see in comics these days is just awful.

>>94278440
Holy crap, looks like Sonichu with a slightly higher budget and orthographic correction.

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ITT: Faggots who started reading comics in the last five years think they're blowing the lid off an SJW conspiracy by pointing out Marvel's hamfisted writing.

Marvel always leaned left.

Marvel always preached.

Marvel was always hamfisted.

>>94278893
Can you even be figuratively in awe?

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>>94278989
You can just replace every instance of Marvel in your post with comics.

Why can't they just make a character gay without pointing it out in the most obnoxious way possible?

>>94278900
Only source I've found says issue #1 sold 43,592 copies, whereas issue #4 sold 12,624 copies. It's currently on issue #5.

>>94279065
They already have

Their names are Gus and Wally

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>>94279020
True enough, but Marvel does it a lot more...they were always more left leaning.

Also the pic you posted at least was published during a time where government-enforced segregation was an active issue in the country so at least it was relevant for its time.

>>94279065
Bad writing. But then again, some cartoons did gay characters subtlety & there was still complaints.

>>94279065
They have, repeatedly. America is just an obnoxious comic all around.

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>>94279122
But EC also published comics about all kinds of bigotry.

>>94279020
Man, 1953 and they knocked it out of the park.

>>94278900
>>94279108
>not knowing to go to comichron for monthly sales

fucking casuals

>>94278827
That is a comic no-one bought from 2015 though.

>>94279222
That's where I got those figures, buddy.

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>>94279220
That's not even my favorite one.

Miss America comes out once a month OP. Please try to get your (you) ration at the duly appointed time.

>>94278885
>Make people not hate gays, I guess

It's backfiring

People tend to hate what they're told they have to like

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>>94278440
What kind of fucking exposition is that?

Is she narrating it for herself?
Is she describing her feelings?

Just what the fuck is this?

>>94279333
Pretty sure faggots hated faggots before America was widely derided on a monthly basis, anon.

Look - we all know this thread is an excuse to bitch about CURRENT YEAR (but actually sometimes several years ago) comics shit that offends thin-skinned conservatives who believe in so-called "traditional values" etc.

I'm not gonna go to bat for America, which is complete garbage, but I don't see an inherent problem in there being an America comic. You do. That's the basic point of difference. I think Marvel is really shit right now because of terrible writing and editing and completely fucked-up marketing, and you think it's shit because of the gays (and maybe the aforementioned shit too). The gays have been around in comics for a long time, and sometimes in good comics too.

>>94278685
To normalise the dynamic of their relationships.

>>94278440
>Still believe there isn't a gay agenda
What's the agenda? Make gay's presence more prominent. it's not an agenda it's a direct consequence of it. An agenda is when you tryto pushe for something to happens. If it happens by just doing it, then it's not an agenda anymore, it's a realised action.

Also, why is it an issue?

>>94278670

Wally (OG Wally) literally described himself as a "midwest conservative". Barry is pretty conservative too. It's why he and Ollie Queen didn't see eye-to-eye. Hawkman is Rush Limbaugh with a mace sometimes. Icon is pretty conservative. Hal is... Hal.

>>94279367
I hate it when people explain their feelings.
It makes very angry.

>>94279491
>Hawkman is Rush Limbaugh with a mace sometimes
Where?

>>94279367
It reads like someone wrote what was supposed to be conveyed there through actual writing and forgot to ever write over it.

>>94279065
This is more of a "Gay" problem than a "Comic" or "Gay Comic" problem. Have you seen gays lately? Even they're a bit miffed about the Gay Pride and Parade issue.

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>>94278440
Oi'm litra-lee intreeged an' in awe ov' bof'va dem. If dis iz wot it'z loik ta foit wif Humies, den Oi applaud all da Boyz foitin' Humies roit naow cuz dis iz Zoggin Orky. Warbike GorkaMorka race? Got'em. Rokkits an' Big Boomz? Got'em.

An' naow "We'ze jus' flyin' off too-geva in da skoi, headin ta a joi-ant pile o' Dakka." Oi'z swear if dey cum back Goin on a Waaaugh Oi'm gonna be so jealous. *sigh* Always da Warboss's best FlashGit, neva da FlashGit-Warboss.

>>94278440
>that entire speech bubble
WTF

>>94279611
fucking lol

>>94279407
They're related tho.
The result of the former has lead to the latter.
And it harms everyone.
Think of it this way, imagine I'm someone who absolutely loves gays and blacks and wants a lesbian dreadlock superhero, with front page covers and big-issue cameos to get great stories and writing.

Well now, I won't get that because CURRENT YEAR problems, with fucky marketing like you said lead to the problem of the 'gays' which distorts them into what looks like an anti-gay propaganda film or something.

And if you don't like the things I mentioned- That feels bad too. Everyone loses, and quality suffers. Even faggots suffer because they cannot see Gay characters without being treated like token advertisements instead of just being treated fairly like people.

>>94279486
>What's the agenda?
To sell more comics to people who don't buy comics. That's what Marvel's Marketing is pushing.

It doesn't make for very good comics. Or gay characters. It doesn't even make for better sales. Commercialized agendas kinda suck like that.

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>>94278440
I think what bothers me the most about this is how much they try to force it as
>LOOK HOW NORMAL, HAPPY AND HEALTHY THEY ARE. SEE? IT'S NORMAL.
when it's a written product, people are aware at some level it's a written product, and if the defining characteristic of them is them being gay and proud of it, that is a very unbelievable character and leaves a bad taste in everyones' mouth.

they are shittily written and if they wrote them as characters who happened to have homosexual romances on the side and it wasn't so
>LOOK, LOOK BEHOLD THE GAY ROMANCE
then I wouldn't mind, as long as it seemed realistic, which real relationships are messy and fucked up.

>>94279732

To be fair, the biker chick turned out to be a villain, but yeah, they still idealize lesbian relationships.

>>94279712
They're not really related IMO. You either have a fundamental problem with gay people being in comic books or you don't. I don't; I got into comics in the 2000s and one of the first older books I read was Suicide Squad from the 80s: I remember Midnighter and Apollo, Lord Fanny, that one engineer who was a late-in-life homo from the Skawd - these were in the first comics I was reading.

The fact that the books are bad is down to something different than that they have gay people in them to me. Maybe for you, it's different.

(And as I say, I'm not defending that shit in the OP - nor is any actual IRL gay person that I know)

Checking

>>94280137
Hooray! You aren't banned!
What post did you have deleted?

>>94278558
>Disliking Villalobos
Get a load of this faggot

>>94280207
People don't like him because he doesn't draw pretty people.

>Literally

>>94279780
It's not a problem with "Gay people in comics."
It's just that cape comics are turning into "Gay comics", where we get really blatant gay for the sake of gay instead of telling actual stories or good writing.

Here's something more particular about what I mean, I've always find the criticism of 'Cape Genre' being secluded in itself rather finicky. One might think with the inclusion of Gay characters, that might help break the mold a little, maybe give us more dynamic storytelling that doesn't follow the industries cookie cutter outline and leads to exploration.

But we don't.
It's just the 'gay' part slapped on like a sticker. They're meticulous to distort- but not distort, their capeshit brand (Something bad and formulaic), and provide the inclusion of gay chars in a way that's predictably bad with what they already have going. I'm not saying without the Gay characters they'd suddenly become good, but that adding it the way they do, doesn't have that effect either.
>The fact that the books are bad is down to something different than that they have gay people in them to me.
It's both DESU. They could have books that are good with gay chars to make them better. Instead they choose to do neither. Which is sad and telling how shit they are at this.

>>94278488
*Lesbian Dimension

>>94278440
>This is homo propaganda
Who cares, comics aren't for kids anymore, specially Marvel

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>>94279611

>>94278635
Take Batman and Hawkman off that list please.

>>94278827
This is just hilarious given who published it.

>>94278440
>To comics
No just capeshit. And even then Ennis is writing a Punisher miniseries.

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>tfw gay
>tfw apparently shitty horrible comics like this are apparently my fault now

>>94281925
Who's your favourite gay comics character anon?

>>94282155
I don't really think I have one desu.
My favorite comic character is Swamp Thing but hes pretty fucking straight. I heard that Midnighter is good but I haven't read it myself.

>>94282196
Damn, you're a faggot. I was prepping my L O N D O N and everything.

Midnighter is good, both the recent miniseries and the Midnighter and Apollo series Ennis did.

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>>94280801
>implying propaganda doesn't work on teens/adults

>>94278470
Were they wrong?

>>94282155
Do doujins count as comics?

>>94278440
Please kill yourselves OP, you are a deranged cunt and should definitely be dead

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>>94281925
>tumblr womyn and numales push this shit into comic saying the gays want "THEM REPRESENTENSHUS!"
>you never denied it
sounds like your fault, desu. It's like if people started spreading rumors that person1 slept with person2 but person1 never denied them. In that case, person1'd be as responsible for the rumors as the people spreading them.

>>94282312
Sure. Hit me up.

>>94278440
>it's another /pol/ morel panic thread

Just change the name from /co/ to /poltv/. This place is a completely and utter shitshow

>>94282451
Rycantropy, Risuou, Kenn, Zelolee, Sweet Taste, Naop

>>94278635

>Batman is conservative

>Doesn't kill criminals
>Tends to offer second chances to promising individuals
>Proponent of the belief that technology is the future
>When a city is degrading rapidly, he doesn't just cut his losses and leave
>Abhors drug dealers, but doesn't really bother with the users
>Refuses outright to use handguns
>Raises multiple children that aren't his own
>Employs ethnic minorities, immigrants, and the disabled in key positions in both his legitimate empire and bat family
>'The hammer of justice is unisex'
>Follows his father's legacy of using money to improve society, rather than waste it on needless shit (to a certain degree, even his excessive luxuries usually serve a purpose)

Conservative in a different country? Maybe.

Conservative in the US? Nooooooooooooo. No. Not a snowball's chance in hell.

>>94282656
>bara
Good ta-
>furry
>>>/trash/catalog

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>>94278440

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>>94283247

>>94278528
Marvel hires shitty novice everything all the time. They have to test them out.

If she gets another job after this book dies in a few issues then we know they are doing it on purpose.

Cain's not around anymore is she?

>>94283247
This is the first time I've seen an edit like this that was actually an improvement.

>>94278440
Who the fuck wrote this

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>No one has posted these yet
WTF /co/ ?

>>94278440
Anyone else still mad that fat jew Bendis made Iceman gay?

>>94284462
>>94284483
Ironically, he comes out as gay after the Viltrumite war.

>>94278440
>marvel has a gay agenda.

No. Marvel has a "progressive" agenda. They are trying to do what they did to Vidya, make it more "inclusive" and "accepting" of other people and communities.

In short words they are trying to bleach out the old community and replace it with their idolized version of their own, or just replace it with themselves so they can make easy profit.

It's why they have taken away noutorious staple heroes, and instead replaced them with "progressive" versions instead. Thor, Captian America, Iron man, Ghost Rider are the main examples of this.

And marvel will keep pushing it, even though it sends their sales down the fucking drain.

>>94284598
>Ironically
I'm not sure if you know what irony means. Fucker was maximum gay from the beginning.

He's like, "I'm gay. I fuck guys."
Yeah, no fucking shit.

>>94278546
This.
Include don't even discuss.

Bury it in apathy.

>>94278440
No, it is just a shitty book written by someone who uses homosexuality as a fucking plot point and not just having a character who happens to be gay. Stop this gaslighting and use some critical thinking.

>>94278440
How the fuck did we go from Alan Moore, Frank Miller and Neil Gaiman to this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WtoxFBzTFA

>>94284636
>"progressive"
You can use the official term if you want, but it's still a fucking gay agenda.

>>94278885
Maybe they should make a not shit comic about one then.

This one is awful and gets its awful all over anyone associated with it like some kind of std

>>94281925
If you want an actual response, it's because a lot of SJWs and "Gays" champion the shit out of these gay heroes like no tomorrow. They cry out that "Gays" as a collective need representation, that they need gay heroes to look up to, all the while most people, gay and straight, don't give a shit.

And of course when people get mad and start looking for someone responsible, like people do, SJW's pretty much point the blame at gay people, saying they need it/want it so that's why they are doing it, all while really just using them as means to shift blame.

So no, it's not your fault. But you have to admit this shit is fucking annoying.

>>94280137
Sorry.
It's still shit in here.
Talkin about marvel you see

>>94284698
But it's not just a gay agenda. It's only one part of a progressivist push, which includes everything from the fringe LGBTQs to the smallest minority.

>>94284695
Wew, what happened to Bobby Hill?

What exactly is wrong in the exposition of her thoughts?

>>94284567
I'm mad but only when I see it brought up in comics.

>>94284851
It's really, really blunt. I could hardly believe someone had written that with the intent it was to be read.

>>94284815
"Gay" in this case refers to the general description of something bad/negative.

>>94278440

Someone have the first storytime when op pic related happen?

I want to see the reaction of everyone

>>94284935
Entertain yourself
desuarchive.org/co/thread/93987126/#93987580

>>94284901
>>94284698

Then your retarded and playing into exact things SJWs want.

By calling it a gay agenda, any outsiders, any neutral bystanders and any on the fence progressives will think your a fucking homophobe who hates all the gays. Which will just make them push harder on this agenda to "weed out" the bad comic consumers. To get rid of the "hateful nerds".

Why instead use a term that not only nails down what actually is going on, but also doesn't play into SJWs hands?

Seriously man.

>>94279122

Marvel was always left-leaning, but as the people driving the agenda of the left have veered further and further away from the mainstream and towards deeply divisive identity politics, it becomes a lot more noticeable and harder to tolerate than when Marvel were just doing stories about how war and prejudice are bad and even people who are strange and different are still people.

It also requires a person to have been reading for some length of time to really notice how Marvel always does a Government Is Evil storyline whenever the Republicans have won an election.

>>94284636

This is very true. Marvel have spent the last several years trying to drive away the old fanbase, mostly male, mostly White, and trying to replace them with a new audience that isn't there. They don't want to court a new audience AND also keep the existing one, and the people pushing this agenda would rather lose sales and crash the company with no survivors, than get rid of the new characters no-one wants, then blatantly copy DC Rebirth and just give the existing fans what they want.

>>94278440
http://vocaroo.com/i/s16cVSy78mBv

>>94278440
>176 183 America 4 $3.99 Marvel 12,624

Imagine still getting triggered by a shitty comic that sells less than 13k

>>94284636
Falcap is one of the few that actually makes sense as a legacy character (Cho as Hulk was another one, arguably) and could have been fucking awesome, but the execution was god fucking awful. Instead of letting him be Captain America, taking the mantle and the responsibility for one of his best friends, they made it some stupid BLM tier bullshit book that no one wanted to read.

Robbie Reyes as Ghost Rider also shouldn't be shoved into the same diversity pit as characters like Riri or Whor. He's in no way defined by his colour and he didn't get the same diversity pandering push that shit like Bendis' pet OCs get. It really sucks that his relaunch was doomed from the start.

>>94282986
>Refuses outright to use handguns
He refuses to use them for personal reasons, Batman has stated himself that he respects guns. And if he were a "total Leftist" about it, he would force everyone around him to not use them, but he doesn't have a problem with someone like Commissioner Gordon using Guns.

>The hammer of justice is unisex
That means he won't hold back against a female opponent, the exact opposite of what a hypothetical SJW hero would do.

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>BUT THE GAAAAAAAAAAAYS
For fuck's sakes, who cares!?

I don't even know who either of those characters are

Stop pretending like you care about the comic industry or anything involved with it that doesn't have a movie or tv show

Yeah not like marvel is pushing blacks and spics in everything too

Leftist ideas isn't why marvel sucks. It's the fucking atrocious writing. DC has progressive shit but it isn't 13 year old on Tumblr tier

>>94285816

Within this decade, Marvel have given us two new Ghost Riders who were both pushed as "New Ghost Rider" rather than as "New Diversity Character". This meant neither of them got much of a push at all compared with characters like Miles, Kamala and Riri who are defined by their race.