"No events for 18 months" "Every single series

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>If every series is an event

Yes, Moon Girl meeting the Thing and Human Torch is quite the Event. So is Jean Grey meeting Emma Frost.

Marvel is going to be something to watch this upcoming year. Not because they'll come out with something good, but to see how hard they struggle to fix themselves. I very much doubt the "No events for 18 months" thing, and I doubt that a lot of these books will last much longer. Like, what the flying fuck are they going to do? Relaunch America Chavez with the same creative team?

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is marvel turning itself into Earth 48

>>94272489

Well, they relaunched Howard the Duck and Squirrel Girl with the same team

>>94272450
They tell her how superior she is to Reed, don't they?

>>94272862
I'm sure they will. God, I fucking hate Moon Girl.

>>94272862
Marvel writers are all about telling and not showing these days. Gotta shit on old established characters to shill the new replacement crop.

>>94272403
>taking things literally
>not recognizing stand Marvel Hyperbole

>>94272950

Actually, just pointing out that Alonso and Brevoort have been going to the hyperbole well so often that no one believes them anymore... it's part of the reason why sales have been going down, I believe.

>>94272489
>but to see how hard they struggle to fix themselves.
That's just it though. They don't see themselves as broken. They legit think they're putting out great books. Legacy is just something they see as changing the pace before the next relaunch.

They seem to be aware of the loss of readership, but in their eyes, the readers are to blame. Marvel themselves are never at fault. Never.

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>>94272444

Every comic will never be the same.

>>94273004
>sales have been going down
>still on top the past three months

>>94273510

Titles selling below 20K
Nick Fury - 12,689
America - 12,624
Monsters Unleashed - 12,033
Elektra (Final Issue) - 11,579
Kingpin (Final Issue) - 11,218
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl - 10,937
Occupy Avengers - 10,404
Bullseye (Miniseries) - 10,398
Unstoppable Wasp - 8,051
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur - 7,731

Spider-Man selling in the 50ks and being beat by SuperMan...

X-Men titles in the single digits being beat by a Wonder Woman series that is 25 issues in.

>>94272489
>how hard they struggle to fix themselves.

as long as they're getting 40 to 50 percent of the market without the market as a whole shrinking, they don't care what you think

you're being phased out

>>94273578
How much is Gpool?

>>94273655

22,292

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>>94273669
Needs to go lower

>>94273578

I forgot to include
- Captain America Sam Wilson - 18,432
- Ms. Marvel - 17,907
- Luke Cage - 17, 277
- Royals - 17,007
- Ultimates 2 - 16,801
- Rocket 16,177
- US Avengers - 15,664
- Doctor Strange Sorcerers Supreme - 15,129
- Spider-Man 2099 - 14,828
- Black Panther Crew - 14,634
- Hawkeye - 14,474
- Silver Surfer - 13858
- Man-Thing - 13647
- Nova 13456

>>94273578
What about Captain Marvel? Is my man Carol doing well?

>>94273746

20,870

Just a smidge above Secret Warriors at 20, 457, every marvel title after that is below 20K range

>>94273578
>#11 comic in the top 300 selling 70k
>DC's first non-Batman title outside the top 10 is Flash at #21 on 54k


>Spider-Man selling in the 50ks and being beat by SuperMan...

lolno

>26 23 Amazing Spider-Man 28 $3.99 Marvel 50,925
>27 22 Superman 25 $3.99 DC 50,873
>28 45 Superman 24 $2.99 DC 50,762

even ASM's second issue in June beat both Superman; first was 10k higher

Marvel also has 27 of 50 spots in the top 50 (the lowest of which is 38,500) to DC's 21, including the #1 spot

>Peter Parker Spectacular Spider-Man 1 $4.99 Marvel 224,620

but I guess yeah if you want to talk about how Superman gets the #0 spot in the top 300 and wins erry tiem sure go ahead

lower per-title figures than we've seen in decades but a solidifying base of genuine readers would easily account for these figures; at the top end, it's still dominated by variant over-orders and events, but if the middle ground is occupied by a more genuine set of orders then it's better for retailers and the industry as a whole

if Marvel's managed that - which would only be possible by bringing in new readers - then they've won, forever

expect a second DC Implosion

>>94273775
Thanks, hunty.

>>94273743
It's weird seeing Kamala do worse than Carol.

>>94272862

What has she actually accomplished that makes her superior to Reed?

>>94273896

Tying it to Civil War 2 damaged it big time. It was at a stable 32K range for most of the original run, it started to dip following Secret Wars, but stabilized at around 28K... but the moment it tied to CW2, it started to drop like a piece of haram meat.

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>>94273669
GWEN'S READERSHIP IS INCREASING!
Anti-gwen posters btfo, gwen ain't ever getting cancelled

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>>94272444

>>94273820

My bad, I was still thinking of the May numbers, where Amazing Spider-Man was indeed beat by Superman in the charts. (51,938 to 51,404)

So yeah, my bad in that regard.

>>94273820

That said, I still stand by my comment that ASM should not be selling in the 50K range, it should be selling in the 90K range minimum.

And I also still stand by my comment that it's a disgrace that X-men titles in the single digit issues are being outsold by a Wonder Woman title that is 25 issues in.

>>94273975
Mary Jane covers man. Every book got at least a 5% bump

>>94274300
Yeah but gwenpools readership was at 18k in April so it's readership has increased 20% in two issues and we don't even know what this months readership was yet.

>>94273920
Being a successful black woman in a male oriented field?

>>94274538
>woman

very problematic to erase a black child's innocence like this

>>94274622

She's black, she looks old enough to have kids.

>>94274444
Not only that, but wasn't it pulling 15-16k before that? She used to have some bad sales, but she's been on an upturn as of late.

>>94273920
Solved the amazing Bruce Banner™ Wiimote holographic puzzle that not even Bruce himself could solve.

>>94273943

Relaunching also damaged Rocket Raccoon. The series pre-Secret Wars had stabilized around 30k at 10+ issues in, the relaunches all were deep in the cancellation zone by issue 4.

>>94273943
Civil War hurt every book because it made a lot of people stay away from marvel for months. My LCS still has a dollar bin full of civil war 2 tie ins.

>>94274300
>use MJ as a cover gimmick
>don't use her in the books at all beside Bendis

Is there a biggest fuck you to a character?

>>94273578
Moon girl is so low it would not be that hard to hunt down and identify the people that actually want to read a story about a little black girl and her pet t rex.

>>94275347
But Renew Your Vows exists

I hate SJW Marvel.

>>94275536
that isn't mainline MJm, it doesn't really count.

>>94272939
Like how Spider-Gwen's Reed is this 10 year old black kid with the 80's triangle haircut.

>>94273920
By being the newest sjw propaganda on the market.

>>94273743
>>94273578
I assume Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur aren't cancelled despite their shit numbers?

>>94276234
Trade sales, scholastic.

>>94276172
Give it a couple months ad there will be five more. Once Jane dies I'm sure Thor will stay unworthy and instead we will get a transgender non-binary native american as the next thor

>>94276234
They have a deal with school libraries and scholastic in America and a couple countries just like squirrel girl so don't expect it to get cancelled anytime soon.

Moon Girl is actually alright if you realize it's literally only intended to be read by 10yo girls.

>>94276438
So why is she in so many other books and solves both Monsters Unleashed and IvX?

>>94276461
because the people putting her there are retarded

>>94276499

Maybe they should try to be as smart as Moon Girl.

>>94277331
Like say how rules are created so white people can abuse them and that voting should be analyzed by IQ?

>>94272444
That actually makes a lot of sense

>>94272444
>then NO ONE will read it!

>>94272444
kek'd

>>94276234
Nope, but Nova got canned because we can't have nice things.

>>94275603
But mainline MJ sucks.

>>94277554

Nova got canned cuz it was mostly about Sam Alexander and not Richard Rider.

>>94276234
Squirrel Girl and MG/DD get by on trade sales thanks to being Marvel's only All-Ages books and decent sales through Scholastic.

It's just that the floppie sales are trash because their primary demo doesn't buy floppies. Which brings up the question "if the floppies sell like shit but trades sell well, then why not go OGN-only?" to which I have no answer.

Rando question: anyone has that screencap of Gabby Rivera being racist towards white people on twitter?

>>94277619
The funny thing is that DC is killing it with DC Superhero Girls which is OGN only.

>>94273920
She solved a puzzle

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>>94277808

>>94273920
She's a little black girl that solved a wiimote puzzle box. That's literally it.

>inb4 she's only #1 because Reed is off planet
That may have worked with Cho and Pym, but Marvel's PR has gone on the record to say that Lunella is smarter than Reed.

>>94277662
Which one?

>>94273920
She solved a puzzlebox that Cho as hulk showed up and gave her for some reason. She asks what it means and he goes "Riri, I think it means you're the smartest person on the planet!"
And that's the validation for why she's the best. Keep in mind, Banner isn't even the smartest person on the planet, I think he's low teens and 8th at most?

>>94277662
>Rando
I have the screencap you're looking for, but fuck you. I won't reward anyone who uses this meme speak.

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>>94273820
>>Peter Parker Spectacular Spider-Man 1 $4.99 Marvel 224,620

That was a comic propped up by incentive variants, deep discounts for high orders, and also included in the Funko Subscription Box.

>>94273743
>>94273578
>bendis' Defenders not among these
It better be still in #1 with LOTS of variants and dobson'd sales.

>>94277662
>>94278647
Now I'm interested, please post anon because I haven't heard about this before.
At the very least can someone give a run down of what she said.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/30/marvel-comics-someone-from-the-top-up-for-the-chop/

>I heard whispers of this at San Diego Comic-Con, but hearing more at London Film And Comic-Con. The gossip amongst comic book professionals, a number of whom work for Marvel Comics, that Marvel is about to lose someone senior. That Disney (with a little cajoling from Kevin Feige‘s people) are demanding a scalp over the negative publicity that surrounded the publisher earlier in the year, a mix between Nazi Captain America and Diversity Disaster. Someone like Ike Perlmutter is far too powerful in the organisation, is a major shareholder of Disney and is in with the President and other senior Republican figures – and with copyright laws coming up for discussion again, he’s very well placed to help Disney keep control of Mickey Mouse and Winnie The Pooh.

>But I’m told a sacrifice is demanded. Mind you I can’t think of anyone at Marvel who wouldn’t be instantly snapped up by the competition. So any golden handcuffs are going to have to be very will-gilded indeed.

>If course, this is just the professionals gossiping and it might be as much wish-fulfillment or fear-fulfillment as with any comic book fan. I can’t deny however that there has been a lot of it from people who should be in the know. Or those who know people in the know. If anything does happen, and of course there is no guarantee it will, I’m told to expect it by New York Comic-Con in October.

>>94279014
It was also the #1 title for June, and all sales through Diamond are final unless otherwise stated or due to defective printing.

>>94274201
When it was selling in the 80k range, it probably wasn't reaching 80k subscribers twice monthly. A lot of any high-selling title is to do with over-ordering, which is to be fair encouraged by all publishers (who don't care much beyond selling to retailers, since that's all the money they get, but don't mind the odd price break for higher orders). But what we may have seen in June is lower than normal over-ordering due to retailers (and indeed real customers ordering through their LCS) putting their money into the big new Spider-Man release, temporarily bringing the ASM title down to levels more accurately reflecting the true audience.

Kind of like how Batman sells 140k/month when there's nothing competing with it, and closer to 100k/month when there's lots of in-house DC competition for $$$.

As far as X-Men go... what do you want, some kind of Heroes Reborn-style reboot? They were bound to hit rock bottom at some point, I'm just amazed it's taken nearly 30 years.

>>94274143
Fair enough, and good on you for owning it.

>>94279190
>I heard whispers of this at San Diego Comic-Con

I'm not even sure Rich Johnston is allowed into the US any more. He lives in like Slough or somewhere with his dad. Something about unpaid US taxes from when he was there on a temporary visa?

Can anybody confirm he was at SDCC17? Anybody actually see him personally?

>>94279190
Wasn't there some Marvel studios exec that went to Fox?

>>94279257

we should look at how Astonishing does in the next months to see what an X Men book that contains what fans actually like does.

Blue has the O5 most fanbase wish didnt exist
and Gold is a barely mediocre Kitty Pryde waifufaggotry book. It has Storm and Old Man Logan as almost wallpaper.

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>>94279079
You can go to her twitter at any time and find her saying something racist and sexist against white people and men. I have no idea what specific thing those other anons are referring to, but she says anti-white, anti-male, anti-white male shit all the fucking time.

Pic related is something I just grabbed off of the front page of her twitter, and I didn't even have to scroll very far. It's pretty mild for what I've seen from her before, too.

>>94279190
>I can’t think of anyone at Marvel who wouldn’t be instantly snapped up by the competition
That's odd, I can think of plenty of people that could and SHOULD get the axe that DC probably wouldn't want working for them. Sana Amanat being a prime example.

>>94279190
I can only think of maybe 10 people that DC would probably want

>>94273578
There's a Nick Fury book? And Occupy Avengers is still going?

>>94279190
Brevoort's the editor responible for Secret Empire, but there's no way DC would hire him for anything given the shots he's taken at them in the past. Alonso coming home to Vertigo would be poetic justice.

>>94279363
this is why i buy nothing from marvel

>>94279297
Kirkman could probably confirm it.

>>94279314
Yeah. But Marvel Studios would fall under Kevin Feige's people.

>>94279537
This is marvels main problem. Dc outside of blue beetle do a good job advertising their characters so that you know what series are going on. I would find it hard to name half of marvels current series.

>>94279670
Well, it's no wonder. Hawkeye is actually in Occupy Avengers, and not in Hawkeye. Thor isn't in Thor, Hulk isn't in Hulk, etc etc.

>>94279420
Yeah, the whole "let's replace everyone with random minorities under the hood, no one will notice" is her shtick, so she's a good runner if common sense applies.

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>>94279850
Never forget that she got to meet obama at the white house and present him with a copy of ms. marvel and he couldn't look like he was giving less of a shit about her if he tried

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>>94272579
>tfw when no Danger Dog mini

It gets even better when it's actually an Ace/Krypto crossover epic.

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>>94280352
This bitch legit triggers me and I want her to be fired.

>>94280352
Replace the world white with black and she would be fired

>>94280042
>and he couldn't look like he was giving less of a shit about her if he tried
He looks kinda fed up. Isn't he a fan of comics, or Spider-Man at least?

>>94280466
Being President ages you and wears you out. He liked Spidey and Supes iirc.

>>94280466
He's said in the past he liked spider-man and conan the barbarian comics and the keaton batman movies but he's never gone into much more detail.

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>>94272862
Personal, It is good character development for her. I really hope that the writer doesn't screw this one up.

I love the last issue where she met her evil version of herself.

>>94280352

It was a different one, something about brown pride and down with white at the same time.

>>94277554
Nova got canned because it sold like shit on all fronts

100% over ship on the first fucking chapter

30 81 Nova 1 $3.99 Marvel 58,393


31 rank on units but fucking 81 on the dollar share. Nobody gave a fuck about Rich coming back.

>>94281069
Didn't help that Marvel hardly advertised it. People were still learning that he was back by the time issue 5 came out, and by that point Marvel had already decided to cancel it.

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>>94280956
I honestly don't even know, sorry. She just makes so many questionable comments, it's hard to keep track of them all.

>>94281069
58k is still 2k more copies sold than cyborg #1 and cyborg hasn't been cancelled yet. Marvel just refuses to let comics breath and decides to cancel books before it finds an audience.
Although Captain Marvel debuted to 52k last year so maybe marvel just doesn't like Nova fans.

>>94281353
>Everyone must be gay otherwise I don't like them.

>>94281353

It was sort of a poem about how being a brown lesbian was power and pride and white was lame

>>94281462
Nova ended at 13k issues being sold. Sam has been trying to find an audience for 5 years now

>>94272403
Fuck Marvel

>>94281590
Then why are you here?

>>94281513
New Super-man is at 13k as of last month and it's still going until the end of the year at least so stop moving goal posts and stop trying to make excuses for marvel cancelling books too early.

>>94281353
By 'has bumps' first she mean errors? Or misprints? Or poor colouring or whatever?

Why do they think if something is done badly it's better? Fucking hipster trash.

>>94273743
Sorcerers Supreme is still going? wtf

>>94281680
How am I making excuses exactly or moving goal posts for that matter?
The book sold like shit and Marvel cancelled it. I'm not trying to say anything else happened.

Every event is a series, every arc is a story

>>94280352
god dammit

>>94281761
You brought up Nova getting cancelled because it's first issue sold poorly, I then brought up a dc and marvel title that sold worse that're still releasing new issues. Your response was to move the goal post and focus on the final issue of the run which shouldn't matter anyways since the book was announced as cancelled shortly after the 4. Either way I responded with a case where Dc is still releasing a title that is currently selling at the same number of nova's final issue not to mention there are currently 7 marvel titles selling worse than nova right now that are yet to be announced as cancelled.

>>94281680
New Super-Man is a diversity book, Nova isn't. Marvel has no mercy for low-selling books that don't fit into a special niche that makes them worth carrying.

>>94281951
This isn't me >>94281069

>>94275316
i feel like CW2 should've been the straw that broke marvel's back on bendis.

when an event written by your "golden boy" killed more than half of your lineup it's time to cut him loose.

>>94281493
I think that was from an interview, not her twitter. Something about how brown and black queerness was magic, right? With the not-so-subtle implication that being white and straight was bad.

>>94281680
>New Super-man is at 13k
Despite being one of the best cape books out right now. I will be so bummed when it gets cancelled.

>>94282527

I think that's the one -- there was a screencap of it.

>>94282582
Hopefully it'll relaunch as a Justice League of China title when that happens.

>>94282582
DC is trying to save it between having him show up in superman and action comics along with suicide squad this christmas. I don't know how the trade sales did but I hope they did well.

>>94282689
It did decently, but not great.

>>94281994
>diversity books

i hate this meme. i don't care how much tumblr traumatized you just call them legacy characters.

>>94282818
Or just call it a comic book since Kenan isn't a legacy character

>>94279190
If we all write "bendis" on a piece of paper and stare at it real hard for ten minutes every night, maybe all our dreams can come true.

>>94282670
Even better.

>>94282689
I'm already double pulling the floppies, but I should also pick up the trades for that extra support and ease of lending it out to people.

>>94273743
I feel bad for Al Ewing. I like his books but they aren't selling.

>>94283062
He'd be fucked if it was him since he's burned all his bridges over the years and all his stuff is published by Marvel. Best case scenario he gets an edgy and/or raunchy superhero cartoon on TBS or MTV.

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>>94272444
I'll admit it. I kek'd.

>>94281756
It ends at 12, which I think is the next one. It was one of the "stealth cancelled" titles, in which Marvel does not say that it is cancelled.
Hell, it has been fucking annoying this year to have to ask the creative teams if a book is cancelled because Marvel has rarely printed the "Final Issue" bit in their solicitations.

>>94283938

Same.

>>94273920
She's black.

>>94284171
She never mention about her race, Why you have to mention about her race?

>>94282818
Nova's a legacy character but only he's getting canceled.

>>94283969
>>94283969

Oh.
Well, that's an awkward boner you've just given me.

I'm gonna go stare at my bit of paper for a while.

>>94272444
FPBP

>>94282818

its not a diversity book, its a vanity project.

>>94273920
She's on earth

>>94284817

That's so true it hurts.

>>94273578
>>94273743
I only read Ultimates 2, dr stange and the sorcerers supreme and nova from there (used to read silver surfer but got very boring).
I suppose I am in the most common denominator so...who is marvel trying to sell their comics?

>>94285721

It's one thing to sell to old readers and another to sell to new readers -- marvel's fault is that they try to do the same on the same title, and it just ends up souring both old and new readers.

>>94281951

I imagine some titles, by the big 2, have been tagged with "loss leader" tags or something similar

>>94279297
really?

>>94284329
>character literally only created to be black and female
>why you gotta make it about race when it's 50% of the reason she exists?