>plummeting more and more in the box office >even normies

>Vulture was such a great villain
>wasted on this piece of shit

>>94241755
>Even normies are starting to say ASM1 was better
Yeah I have a hard time believing this

>>94241777
not him but my friend at work said this

>>94241777
Not verbatim but my boss said he "liked the Andrew Garfield movies better"

>>94241755
Sony made the mistake in trying to create ANOTHER Spider-Man movie after the last ones underperformed and Marvel tried to make Tony Stark a mentor-type figure. The whole thing was a mess from the start.

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it's doing pretty good, shut up OP

on an Unrelated hand, i'm thinking of reading the original Amazing Spider Man comics, what am im in for?

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It was a great comedy movie, nice humor, good action and actual plot twists.

Hope thor ragnarok will go in the same direction, the poster already looks colorful.

>>94241782
>>94241791
>Implying either of you have jobs and don't just sit on 4chan all day shitposting

>>94241755
>even normies are starting to say ASM1 was better

Yeah, no shit. Spiderman HC may appease the nerdy Spiderman fan, but it had no real tension or drama in the movie.

In the Raimi series and in ASM1/2, there was at least the thrill of death lurking throughout the movies. In this Disney flick, it feels like a live action Big Hero 6 adaptation.

Normal people like tension, fear, and the lull of death in their superhero movies. Not this soft, sissy PG shit.

>>94241826
>t's doing pretty good
It's dropped like 75%, dude. That's not pretty good.

>>94241826
>biggest drop in the entire MCU
>for the most popular hero in Marvel
>"pretty good"

>>94241843
Big Hero 6 did have tension and fear and "the lull of death" (whatever the fuck that means). Did you even watch it? Moron.

>>94241826
pretty comfy stuff.
You can tell why spoodermang became so popular
>broke ass student 2 days away from losing his house all the time.
>gets unmasked but no one believes that peter is spoody

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>>94241840
Stop projecting, fatty. I have a full time job and my boss goes to new movies every weekend. He's your stereotypical capeshit moviegoer. I was surprised that he was disappointed by Spiderman HC, it's the first capeshit movie he actually didn't like since maybe Thor 2.

Here's a screencap of my paycheck since you're autsitic and need proof.

>>94241843
>like tension of death
>in a cape movie where they already announced sequels for movies for it
Are you dumb or what?

>>94241755
What went wrong? For starters, they replaced Mary Jane and Flash with a negress and a shitskin respectivly. BIG mistake.

>>94241853
Are you god damn fucking illiterate you literal god damn fuycking waste of human flesh?

I said IT'S LIKE BIG HERO 6 BECAUSE IT LACKS THAT TENSION AND POSSIBILITY OF HUMAN DEATH

LEARN TO FUCKING READ YOU GOD DAMN FAGGOT

>>94241853
learn to read, dude

not him btw, but you're stupid

>>94241846
>>94241850
Almost $600 million worldwide in 3 weeks without China
>Already passed the domestic BO of both ASM films
>Is the best performing solo debut Mcu film
It's doing good

>>94241886
DING DING DING DING

NOT EVEN 30 POSTS IN AND THE MCU SHILL BRINGS UP CHINA

SURELY CHINA WILL SAVE THIS FLOP, RIGHT ANON?????

>>94241886
>worldwide
the US market is always the bread and butter of studios.

>>94241755
They tried to make a very safe, inoffensive film. They succeeded. Therefore, its box office performance is lukewarm; profitable, a success by most standards, but below par for what you'd expect for possibly the most famous superhero of all time. Each of the Raimi films, in 2017 prices, made over a billion dollars. This will top out around $700 million probably.

>>94241873
>"""my""" paycheck

Uh huh.

B-B-B-B-B-BUT CHINA

>>94241907
>>94241892
you seem stressed

>>94241893
>The US market is always the bread and butter of studios
Can you read? I literally said that HC has passed both ASM films in domestic BO within 3 weeks of release

They made Peter Parker a pussy.

There, I said it. I don't care how he is in your COMIC BOOX. No one wants to see Peter being a pussy IRL

>>94241853
The only scene in Big Hero 6 that was remotely interesting was when the kid ordered his robot to kill that guy.
Unfortunately his lust for revenge was over in 5 seconds and the film went back to being a snore fest.

>>94241917
I'm not the one banking on China saving my flop of a flick.

>>94241922
peter was always a pushover,what in the flying fuck are you talking about.

RAIMI COME BACK PLEASE

>>94241755
>normies are starting to say ASM1 was better

lolwut

No, they aren't.

Is it just one faggot making these threads, or a few dedicated shitposters?

>>94241931
> don't care how he is in your COMIC BOOX. No one wants to see Peter being a pussy IRL
don't care how he is in your COMIC BOOX. No one wants to see Peter being a pussy IRL
> don't care how he is in your COMIC BOOX. No one wants to see Peter being a pussy IRL

This is the absolute truth. Jane and John Doe don't want to see Peter being a dumb, squeeker high school faggot. They want to see someone who's transitioning into adult hood.

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Apologize

>>94241937
My normie friend said that

>>94241826
>shut up OP
cringe

>>94241937

This

Normies aren't talking about it at all anymore

>>94241943
Normie detected

>>94241939
hate to break it to you MCUshill, you must be new here. /co/ has a honeymoon phase for superhero movies

at first we love them, then we let them sit for a while and we realize most of them are shit

this one is definitely shit

>>94241931
>peter was always a pushover

Wrong.

>>94241918
>implying this isn't embarrassing for a Spider-man + Iron Man movie
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=2017superhero.htm

>>94241892
>>94241907
>>94241922
>>94241926
>This samefaggotry
Shouldn't you DCPajeets be making another thread about sucking Snyders cock or some more blatant biblical symbolism? I mean, what is this, like the third shitposting thread about Spider-Man in the last hour?

>>94241873
Post your credit card info so we can verify this.

>>94241964
There are exceptions, like Apocalypse, which was shat upon, but nowadays is considered okay.

94241964
Ok

>>94241964

A large portion of /co/ didn't care for this movie before it came out. The sad thing is fans have deluded themselves that anybody who finds fault is a DCuck or from /pol/

>>94241972
kill yourself, Rasheesh

>>94241972
t. Rapul Hashmeed

>>94241980
Oops! Looks like you fat fingered your keyboard and accidentally deleted the >> from your post!

I hope so at least, because if you did that one purpose that'd be autistic as hell, anon! :)

94241995
Ok

>>94241972
>DCPajeets

I don't see DC having Indian weddings in their films or drumming up fake news about how well Spider-Man is doing in India

>>94241939
It's literally the same guy.
See
>>94241202
You can tell just from the way they respond. It's definitely just the same two guys

>>94242003
Yeesh! You either have fat fingers or severe autism!

Is it both, maybe?

>>94241898
>but below par for what you'd expect for possibly the most famous superhero of all time.

Spider-man is not Batman.

>>94242009
Holy fuck you're autistic dude

>>94241873
every weekend? that's way too much dude

>>94242009
Can you really not handle the fact that most people thought SMHC was kinda...shit?

>>94241755
>plummeting more and more in the box office

Per Deadline, the fourth weekend is currently looking at a weekend-to-weekend drop that's just under 40%. For frame of reference, that's good at this point.

Furthermore, it's already outdone both The Unnecessary Spider-Man movies with Andrew Garfield as far as the domestic box office is concerned, and will have them outdone when taking inflation into account a week or two from now. All on a budget that's the lowest since the original one (and the lowest ever if you take inflation into account).

>even normies are starting to say ASM1 was better

Avi, please go.

>>94242009

>Being this paranoid about your movies

And he's right. That Iron Spider costume is trash.

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94242011
Gimme another (you), Anon

>Budget: $175 million
>Box office: $588.9 million

Whether or not it's good, or whether or not it's even the best Spider-Man movie, is completely irrelevant. The studio has made a tidy profit, and that's all they care about, so expect more of the same, because when you speak with your wallets, that's all the executives hear.

>>94242028
>just under 40%
Yeah because it already dropped 60% and 70% in the first two weekends. Not much left to drop lmfao.

>>94242009
Holy fuck you're right. Fuck this board's a joke

>>94242012
His merchandising is actually worth more than Batman's.

>>94242036
What's hilarious is that MCUfags have been harping for months that this movie would make at least 1 billion.

>>94242038
replying to your own post is sad, anon

>>94242042
>muh discredited chart

>>94242014
Not an argument
>>94242025
No? From what I've seen the general consensus outside of this shithole of a site is that the movie's pretty good

>>94242031
>That Iron Spider costume is great.
Fixed that for you

>>94242060
How was it discredited?

>>94242036
>The studio has made a tidy profit

Well no. They haven't. That marketing was 140mil+. So 315 total cost. Let's be fair and just half the box office so far even though we know it's lower in foreign markets. that gets us 294. So it's at least another 21 mil before it's made any profit

>>94242045
It's even more hilarious that DCfags have been harping for months that this movie would have a weaker opening than Wonder Woman

>>94242064
>>94242064
>No? From what I've seen the general consensus outside of this shithole of a site is that the movie's pretty good

Opposite for me, actually. I only see shills like you on /co/ saying this movie is great but IRL most people say it was just okay.

>>94242068
>marketing was 140 mil
>315 total cost
>box office is 588.9 mil
>it needs to make another 21 mil before any profit
can you do any fucking math?

>>94242064
>Not an argument
Autism at its finest

>>94242069
Show me a single example from the archive.

Do not reply to me without an example, fatass.

>>94242042

And in movies, television, video Games, comic books, cartoons Batman is more popular. All Spider-Man has for him is arguably the greatest design in comics that looks good on bedsheets and lunchboxes. I assure you if you kept everything the same about the character but had him swinging about in a solid red jumpsuit he would sell a tenth of what he does.

>>94241840
Leave me alone, Dad!

>>94242064
the general consensus from what i've seen is "the movie was okay... better than ASM2 at least"

>>94242078

>Ignoring the part where I say they get half of the box office

Can you read?

>>94241883
>IT'S LIKE BIG HERO 6 BECAUSE IT LACKS THAT TENSION AND POSSIBILITY OF HUMAN DEATH
But a dude died in that movie straight up murdered. By the villain.

remember when MCU shills said this would break MCU box office records

now it's struggling to beat thor 2 lmfao

>>94242104
Oh yeah. Has more balls than this shit flick then.

>>94242107

Both this and GOTG2 were apparently supposed to make a billion easily.

>>94242107
ok I'll stop shilling! I'll think for myself from now on! I'll hate anything you tell me to!

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>>94242077
>I only see shills like you on /co/
>on /co/
ok i'm going to post this pic and then you're going to say something retarded but I want you to know that your statement was explicitly false on the premise that people who say that the movie is great is not concentrated only on /co/

>>94242110

Most cartoon Disney films do. The Hunchback of Notre Dame may as well be R rated compared to this crap

>>94242098
You're oversimplifying the entire process to make things look bad. Where do you even pull these infos from, how do you know how much they get per market, how do you know the marketing budget, how do you know how much of it was covered by Spider-man ads for other products, and so forth

>>94242123
>Multiple people using a common word for something being really good is now shilling

>>94242123
>rotten tomatoes

>>94242087
If you eliminate crossover films, Spider-Man's actually more popular in movies than Batman. $4,548.2m vs 4028.2m total grosses for their films (Batman's higher if you count BVS's $873m gross, but then you'd have to count Civil War and both Infinity War movies for Spider-Man, which will rocket him to the front). Even though Batman has three extra movies on Spider-Man.

>>94242126
Don't argue with that smug prick. He's already convinced himself you're an idiot.

>>94242107
Literally no one said it would break MCU box office records you mong
>Struggling to beat Thor 2
Delusional

>>94242134
I'm saying that the other anon only believes that /co/ thinks SMHC is great and no one else. That is blatantly false.

>>94242126
>You're oversimplifying the entire process to make things look bad

Anon I was fair and gave you half the entire box office even though we all know it's less in foreign countries. I didn't make things look worse. I made them look better. And you're still crying like a bitch.

Spider-Man is going to lose and lose bad to Wonder Woman. WONDER WOMAN. Trying to put a positive spin on this is pathetic

>>94241846
That's a Friday-to-Friday drop. And those are misleading. Whenever there's an opening Friday, they include the Thursday previews as a part of it. The thing is that the second Friday obviously does not include the inflated figure that the first one has, which is why any front-loaded tentpole movie has a big Friday-to-Friday drop.

Even Wonder Woman, the movie with the longest legs at the box office this year, dropped 59% from Friday 1 to Friday 2. Bear in mind that weekend 2 for that movie ended up only being a 43% drop overall, which is basically unheard of in this day and age. Conversely, Spidey's legs aren't quite as good (understandable, as WW's overperformance is an exception and not the rule) with the second weekend drop being 62%, but its third weekend was 50% and its fourth is shaping up to be 39% (as mentioned earlier).

And at the end of the day, percentages are not what matter here so much as dollars. While there were big percentage drops in the first weekend, that still made more than Doctor Strange (another standalone MCU franchise which, unlike Spider-Man: Homecoming, had a good marketing campaign for it). That movie was only $10M less expensive and thus far it's looking like Sony is going to reap a much greater reward than what Marvel did for DS.

The movie accomplished its goal in stopping the bleeding for the Spider-Man movie franchise after three movies that disappointed general audiences, and it remains to be seen if Sony's shitty villain-based spin-offs are going to fuck that up or not.

Spider-Man is A HUGE FLOP, there is NEVER going to be a Marvel Spider-Man film AGAIN! Hahahahahahaha, holy shit

Hnestly my problem is that we had so many spider films so soon and one after another. And it's way too safe. I don't really think they did anything interesting or made it stand out compared to other marvel films. Like gotg is great even as a movie experience. It can exist by itself. But this felt like it was using it's mcu ties as a crutch. More importantly it didn't have that amazing feel to it like cap 2 did. It just felt safe

>>94242137

Well it's easy to convince myself when he is.

>>94242147
>I made them look better
Incorrect. The studio gains much more than half the domestic revenue for the first few weeks of release

>>94241843
You have no idea how the world is outisde your room

>>94242158
A sequel's already been confirmed

>>94242147
I thought WW was a huge icon and thus deserving of such attention? It's like I'm literally on /v/, where X console is called a flop because it didn't sell as much as Y

>>94242187

What's this one Spider-Man : Graduation Day?

>>94242187
But don't you know? Success isn't determined by money, it's determined by quality, which is objective!

>>94242189
>I thought WW was a huge icon and thus deserving of such attention?

Bigger than Spider-Man? Get the fuck outta here

>>94242147
>Spider-Man is going to lose and lose bad to Wonder Woman. WONDER WOMAN. Trying to put a positive spin on this is pathetic

A film that massively overperformed to literally everyone's expectations made more money than a movie that's going to top $300M domestic and make substantially more in merchandising sales. GASP! How can the Spider-Man franchise be saved?

Arguing that there are any "losers" here is just console wars-tier bullshit. WB and Sony make off with shitloads of money and most people outside of 4Chan were happy with them. That's what matters.

(And Spider-Man is going to beat Wonder Woman internationally - even before it opens in China a month or so from now - so that point hardly matters anyway.)

Dude there is no fucking sequel you retards, it's not profitable. Why the fuck would Marvel make another movie that is CLEARLY not profitable?

>>94241840
>thinking /co/ is /r9k/
You're worse than people who think that the entire site is /b/ because at least those people don't post here.

>>94242207
>Even before it opens in China
Don't forget Japan, which fucking loves Spider-Man

>>94242207
>>94242216

Is it even opening in China?

>>94242187
That, and almost all of Sony's other movies are flopping so terribly that they have no real choice but to renew the deal with Marvel.

>>94242208
>Baiting THIS hard

>>94242220
>and almost all of Sony's other movies are flopping so terribly

He doesn't know...

>>94242219
Something weird is happening with China currently IIRC, like there's some halt on movies going on for some reason. I know they only get a certain amount each year or whatever, but Homecoming, as well as a few other movies, were planned and just haven't released for some reason.

>>94242087
Compared to their merchandise, comic book and video game sales are comparatively miniscule. Superhero designs on toys, clothes, bags, and all that crap is where the money is, along with films. According to Wikipedia, all Spider-Man games have sold 10 million copies, and all Batman games have sold 22 million. Making the very generous assumption that all copies were sold at full price (it usually doesn't work this way), that'd be a total of $600m and $1,320m in total sales respectively (total revenue generated, not subtracting costs of production, retailers taking their share, etc.). That's a difference of +$720 million for Batman over three decades of gaming. This is less than the disparity between him and Spider-Man (in Spider-Man's favor) for one year of merchandising revenue.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/superhero-earns-13-billion-a-748281

Meanwhile, the entire comic book industry hovers around $1 billion yearly revenue. That is for ALL comic book and graphic novel sales, by everyone. How much of that could possibly be attributed to Batman alone? 10%? And what is the actual disparity in revenue between Spider-Man and Batman in comics yearly? It cannot possibly be beyond the range of tens of millions of dollars. Comics aren't worth that much.

http://www.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales/industrywide/2016-industrywide.html

Same with those things compared to their films, where Spider-Man has the edge over Batman anyway and both of them far exceed 4 billion dollar grosses as series. As noted here >>94242136, the difference is around $500 million in Spider-Man's favor, a disparity that's going to grow when Spider-Man gets the same number of movies out as Batman has. So, from this evidence, it seems Spider-Man is 'bigger' than Batman using money as a barometer for popularity. Unless TV shows make that big of a difference. I admit I don't know about them.

>>94242219
Yes, it's been confirmed for a while now. There was a poster for it and everything. The reason we haven't yet got a release date is because the government issued a Summer blackout on foreign movies in a cynical attempt to drive up ticket sales on domestic movies. (Which is stupid, considering that Chinese people are more interested in Hollywood movies, and statistically-speaking, 'Murica is a key reason why their box office sales have exploded in the past decade).

http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-china-box-office-20170725-story.html

Sony also made a deal with Chinese distributor to get a better deal on the movie's overall profits. Some of the company's biggest hits have been China-based (IE: The Mermaid, which is the first movie to make $500M in China alone). MCU movies have also done well in the region and every single Spider-Man movie to release thus far in China has outdone the previous one. (And the Iron Man cameo won't hurt considering that they fucking love the Golden Avenger.)

http://variety.com/2016/biz/asia/sony-wanda-spider-man-homecoming-multi-picture-alliance-1201867119/

>>94242216
Damn right they love him!

>>94242253

It's because they're being investigated because they aren't giving studios their fair share or something like that. This is no surprise if you've ever actually worked with Chinese as a group.

Sony is having a good year, relatively speaking of course. Baby Driver was a hit, Spiderman is doing good, Resident Evil did fine, Dark Tower looks set to be a hit and Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle has Dwayne and Kevin starring so its almost guaranteed to be a hit.

>>94242267
>(And the Iron Man cameo won't hurt considering that they fucking love the Golden Avenger.)
I find that surprising. Iron Man is the self-admitted avatar of the American elite and, is proud of it.

>>94242276
>and Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle has Dwayne and Kevin starring so its almost guaranteed to be a hit

It's opening next to Star Wars. That's at least fucked

>>94242208
TASM2 made 2.7 times its $260M production budget in its lifetime. That movie was considered a hit but fell way below Sony's unrealistic expectations.

BAKA has made 3.3 times its $175M production budget in only three weeks, all before opening in Spain, Japan, and China.The numbers that Sony were allegedly targeting seemed to be around $750M, which is easily attainable.

Sorry, Charlie - it's profitable.

>>94242264
>>94242087

>Not counting for Inflation when at least 5 of those Batman films came out before the first Raimi film

Nice work. You almost had me

>>94242281
Azns dig their robots, mang.

Also, they filmed a few scenes exclusively for the Chinese release of Iron Man 3 which expanded on the whole surgery thing that happens at the end of the movie when he gets the Arc Reactor removed.

RDJ also filmed what's a soft drink ad for them.

>>94242316
It's not even about expectations, Sony wasted too much money producing the TASM movies, to the point that the budget of 2 was never officially announced and it's rumoured to have been 255 million dollars, which is absurd for such a small-scale movie and it would obviously affect the profits margin

>>94242272
I think it's a bit of both. China's box office is being audited by Hollywood and they're responding in kind by reinstating a temporary blackout. Valerian apparently comes out over there in August, so it's not going to last that much longer.

>>94242300
So is Bright on Netflix. There's enough money to go around.

>>94242380
That and the ad budget was apparently ridiculous as well. I think Deadline's report on the movie's profits put it in the tens of millions as opposed to over a hundred million, which is what's needed to keep making these kinds of movies.

>>94242384
Ah, Valerian. No movie stars. Weird premise. Based on an old comic book no one outside of Europe knows about. 200 million dollar budget. Dane Dehann.

How could they not know that was gonna bomb?

>>94241826
Boring soap opera bullshit that's comparable to the garbage shows your mom watches. Shitty super villains who Spider-Man should be able to defeat instantly with a single punch. And staying in the overused New York forever and ever.

These comics are overrated. They're only enjoyed because Parker is such a big self insert character, a depressed 'funny' nerd fighting back against the world.

>>94242400
Netflix is a different format, though - you can watch that movie from home or on an app, and they encourage you to do so. Bright isn't going to get a theatrical release unless Netflix wants to put it up for awards (which I doubt that they will, as the movie looks like a popcorn flick).

>>94242276

>Sony is having a good year, relatively speaking of course. Baby Driver was a hit, Spiderman is doing good, Resident Evil did fine, Dark Tower looks set to be a hit and Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle has Dwayne and Kevin starring so its almost guaranteed to be a hit.

Is this irony ? Sony only distributed Baby Driver and therefore gets a very small cut, and it did not make a lot of money at all, Spiderman is not doing good, it's about to break even at the box office, which means that unless it does great in China (if it even opens there at all, still no date) it will not make any real profit, Dark Tower looks set to be a box office bomb, literally no buzz and a trailer which looks like shit. The Rock just had a major box office failure with Baywatch, and since he is the box office draw of the movie I'm very doubtful of Jumanji's prospects.

>>94242417

Its a full on producers movie scam. It has to be right ?

>>94242428

I'm sure he's b8ing anon. Nobody is that retarded

>>94242417
The thing about it is that most of the money they used to make it was pitched in by foreign investors, so Europacorp only has to pay, like, 4% of the budget or something (plus ad costs) in order to be Scott-free. It's basically the most expensive indie movie ever made.

Now, it not doing well certainly doesn't bode well for Europacorp, but they're less screwed financially than they look.

>>94242431
Stop with the memes, there are multiple posts ITT explaining why HC is profitable

>>94242436
The movie was produced by Besson's own company and with sone taxes aid from the French government, it's not a scam as much as it's a "there's no need to fire anyone if this fails" situation

>>94242431
Dark Tower is cheap ad is already set to make 40 million next weekend in the us and canada. As for Dwayne all big movie stars have bombs. Will Smith had Wild Wild West. Schwarzenegger had Last Action Hero. Dwayne has Baywatch.

>>94242207
>made substantially more in merchandising sales

Source?

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>>94241755
It looks like a fucking PlayStation cutscene

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>>94242142
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/69368148/#q69368278
>Sony finally got tired of making no money compared to Marvel on what is the most well known superhero.

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/69368148/#q69368609
> this is just Sony saving face
> implying Sony didn't realize they fucked up and will just take the back seat to Disney's golden goose
>they will not fuck this up. everybody knows kevin is running the show now

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/69368148/#q69368777
>disney/marvel just bumped thor to november instead. they are in the driver's seat. they would not have done it if they don't influence the story
>sony is just saving face with that statement

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/71837507/#71857291
>Spider-Man reboot ... is pretty much just being made by Marvel, but Sony gets their name in the credits and a chunk of the cash

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/84788510/#q84790921
>Pascal doesnt have any say on this project and neither does SONY

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/92991276/#92991581
>Homecoming raking in 2 billion will sadly negate that.

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/92811355/#q92813875
>The difference is that Homecoming will make 1.5 billion dollars.

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/93318002/#93318218
>If anything, SM: Homecoming is probably going to be one of the highest grossing MCU films to date because it's both MCU AND Spider-Man. It'll likely break the 1 billion point pretty fast.

>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/88969578/#88969578
>Box-Office:
>1. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2 (Over a billion)
>2. Spider-man: Homecoming (Over a billion)
>3. Thor: Ragnarok
>4. Justice League
>5. Wonder Woman (Wont pass 500 million)
>6. Logan (Wont pass 500 million)

>>94242431
Baby Driver cost nothing to make, and is about to make nearly three times its budget due to strong legs. Obviously Sony won't make as much off of it since they're just distributing it, but it's a bright spot considering that both they and Paramount are pretty much fucked this year (and last year, and next year).

Spider-Man is doing well, all things considered. Considering that the market is saturated with superhero movies, the odds of it making as much as the first two Sam Raimi films domestically were low, but as it stands it has tripled its production budget, which is more than enough to be considered "profitable" in most cases. Right now it's on track to beat at least TASM worldwide, which is good considering that the budget on the film is much more reasonable. As I mentioned earlier, it will open in China, but they haven't set a release date due to the blackout they pulled to boost ticket sales on Chinese movies.

I agree with you on The Dark Tower but the thing is that it's not an expensive film. I don't think it'll be the runaway hit they want it to be but it ought to do well enough for them to make the TV show that they want to do. The Emoji Movie - which you didn't mention - is in the same boat but the difference is that Sony is hoping for Illumination-like returns (which they ain't gonna get based on the toxic reviews and the horrible word-of-mouth).

I know I'm in the minority, but for me Jumanji: Welcome To The Jungle looked better than it had any right to. However, it's being released against fucking Star Wars: The Last Jedi. The last two times a company was that suicidal about their tentpole, it killed the Alvin & The Chipmunks movie franchise (good riddance) and it made sure that Assassin's Creed bombed even harder than it would have otherwise.

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>>94242485
Statistically-speaking, Spider-Man made more money than Superman, Batman, and the Avengers put together back in 2014.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/superhero-earns-13-billion-a-748281

This is outdated info (since it predates DC's expansion into movies) but it still puts in perspective how much of a cash cow Spidey is for Marvel. WW merch has sold well as the result of the movie connecting with a lot of people, but there's no way it outsold Spider-Man stuff.

>>94242036

>Budget: $175 million
>Box office: $588.9 million
>The studio has made a tidy profit

This retardation again. First off these numbers disregard marketing budget, which is easily another $100 million, but even worse is not understanding that the box office GROSS that is listed is NOT what the studio gets.

Average studio take of the domestic gross is 55%, for really successful films it's up around 60%, for the foreign gross the studio gets ~35-40% UNLESS it opens up in China where there is a law that only returns 25% back to the studio.

Domestic gross: $264 million, Sony gets ~$145 million
Foreign gross: $320 million, Sony gets ~$128 million

Sony has earned ~$273 million so far
Sony have production and marketing costs of at least $275 million ($175 production, at least $100 million in marketing promotion)

So it hasn't even started to make money, there's a reason NO ONE, not even Sony themselves pretend that this movie is doing well.

>>94242503

>Thor beating Justice League

That just seems delusional

>>94242579

>content marked by name

There it is again

>>94242534
When it comes to Jumanji, I honestly dont get why so many people were up in arms about this reboot. The original isnt even all that good, its just nostalgic.

Hell, Id go as far as to say that most movies, with the exception of Good Morning Vietnam and maybe Mrs. Doubtfire, that Robin Williams was the lead in are terrible. Popeye, Flubber, Bicentennial Man, Hook, and Patch Adams are all shit. He was a phenomenal stand up comedian and great supporting actor, see Aladdin and Good Will Hunting, but not really a leading man.

>>94242589

Marketing was at least 140. That's a known fact

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Goddammit, I really did want to give them the benefit of the doubt when they cast Slumdog Millionaire (or whatever his name is) as Flash. Rich kids of successful, wealthy immigrants can be some of the biggest assholes. Instead, they did nothing with it.

So disappointing.

>>94242612

This. Honestly I never really rated Robin Williams as an actor and I wasn't sad or happy when he died. I just didn't care

>>94242627
>PENIS PARKER!

>>94242612
>Mrs. Doubtfire
We never got the sequel because of his suicide. It's a shame.

>>94242645
WHEN I SAY PENIS YOU SAY PARKER
PENIS

>>94242534

>Baby Driver cost nothing to make, and is about to make nearly three times its budget due to strong legs.

No it didn't, just google box office gross, or checkout Box Mojo, or TheNumbers or any other site with an expertise on the Box Office, the studio gets ON AVERAGE 55% of the domestic box office GROSS, around ~35-40% of the foreign gross, except China which only returns 25%.

So Baby Driver made ~87 million domestic, from this the studio/distributor gets 55% = ~$48 million, the production cost was $34 million, which means that it has made ~$14 million in profit, this is not bad for a small budget movie, but it's hardly big money for the studio to share with Sony, also this does not take into consideration the marketing budget, likely this was small, probably in the $10 million range, which would put the actual domestic profit down to $4 million.

But we also have the foreign box office, there it has made $34 million of which the studio gets ~14 million, which brings us to a nice ~$18 million profit in it's box office run.

With streaming, dvd/bluray, network sales, it will end up making a decent profit, enough for another small budget sequel, but it's not some HUGE money maker.

>>94242682
>No it didn't, just google box office gross, or checkout Box Mojo, or TheNumbers or any other site with an expertise on the Box Office, the studio gets ON AVERAGE 55% of the domestic box office GROSS, around ~35-40% of the foreign gross, except China which only returns 25%.

I come into this thread without knowing my shit about the box office? This is first-grade stuff.

As it stands, the movie will make three times its production budget ($34M) when it crosses $100M in the USA and Canada. The thing with Baby Driver is that it's a low-risk, moderate-reward situation - of course it's not going to make up for the fact that Sony's made a string of flops, but it did make them some money in the end.

>>94242589
Again, you're coming up with random numbers, how the fuck do you know how much they spent on marketing? You know companies make deals with others to recoup some of the money, right? BvS had Bruce and Lex take trips on Turkish Airlines, Spider-Man had the guy dancing on the top of a bus for Tim. Do you think things like these are for charity?

You're really just coming up with random shit. You're no better than the people claiming BvS was a bomb for not making that 1 billion

>NO ONE, not even Sony themselves pretend that this movie is doing well
Oh do expand on this point, I'm really curious. Repeating over and over "MY POINT IS THE RIGHT ONE BECAUSE IT'S WELL KNOWN" is not a compelling argument

>>94241949
You seem nice Raimi.
https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/68150

>>94241826
60's Marvel comics all have this problem where, if the text boxes and word bubbles were narrated, the narration would sound exactly like a soap opera.
Still pretty good, though. Although, 70's Spider-Man best Spider-Man any day.

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>>94241755
>twink faggot playing Spider-man
>nigger Liz
>nigger MJ
>spic manlet Flash
>Ganke renamed to Ned Leeds
>girl that looks like Gwen Stacy cast as Betty
>Iron Man instead of Uncle Ben as Peter's primary motivation
>Peter is portrayed as super incompetent for laughs
>Peter has zero moral dillemmas about ruining Liz's life

Honestly, the only good thing about this movie is Keaton.

>>94242818
We get you're a /pol/ack. Now kindly fuck off.

>>94241755
Wait, it's bad? Then why did I enjoy it so much?

>>94242748

Yeah Baby Driver is a good investment for all involved, it also has the properties which could make it a 'cult classic' among millenials which would ensure a steady stream of income for a long time to come.

Of course the wet dream of these low budget movies would be 'Don't Breathe', it cost $10 million to make and grossed $90 million domestically and $70 million foreign.

>>94242825
I'm not, though. I just don't see what purpose all the race changing served except to annoy fans.

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>>94242818
Oh, and I forgot to add shit CGI and Spidey costume. Vulture looked good, however.

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>>94241755

What do you mean "what went wrong?" Every single Spider-Man movie ever released in theaters has been a huge box office success no matter its reception. Spider-Man 3 is still the highest grossing Spider-Man movie for over a decade now. At the rate Homecoming is going, it's going to end up being the lowest grossing Spider-Man movie, but it has already made 3.3 times its $175,000,000 dollar budget in the box office. You and millions of other people keep going to see every Spider-Man movie and keep giving them your money and you keep getting more of it. Clearly nothing went wrong.

>>94242579
As you have been told over and over, this data was from the year Amazing Spider-man was released.

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>>94242503
>that one patethic autistic anon that spent his entire afternoon looking for posts on the desuarchive
>picking OBVIOUS bait posts as "argument" that for what we know might even be his
>saving it all on his pc


Kill yourself, company war faggotory destroyed your brain. You are patethic.

>>94242835
Didn't Get Out do even better?

Remember when Spidey was at the Washington Monument and this scene happened?
>"Is that Liz?"
>"Yeah, Karen, it is, help me out here!"
>"Activated instant kill mode."
>"What the hell, Karen?"
>"She's a nigger, Peter. I let you save the gook, but niggers can't do math for you."
I never would have thought that a movie like this could come out today.

>>94242818
>we need spidey to use ironman tech for CG circlejerking and to have someone to throw quips with spidey
Conceptually it's a great idea but it watered down how strong spidey is to the point he's going to be the jobber for the sequels

>>94242886
>NO NO NO! ITS NOT FAIR! YOU CAN'T USE OUR OWN WORDS AGAINST US! WE'RE IN CHARGE HERE!

>>94242785

>Again, you're coming up with random numbers,

90% of the numbers I presented are official, with the exception of the marketing budget

>how the fuck do you know how much they spent on marketing?

We don't, we can only go by what experts on sites dealing exclusively about the box office says are the usual numbers for these big studio releases, and they say ~$100 million is the average for those kind of releases.

>You know companies make deals with others to recoup some of the money, right? BvS had Bruce and Lex take trips on Turkish Airlines, Spider-Man had the guy dancing on the top of a bus for Tim. Do you think things like these are for charity?

Do you think these kind of things make for a lot of money ? It's like product placement, it's peanuts compared to the box office money.

>POINT IS THE RIGHT ONE BECAUSE IT'S WELL KNOWN" is not a compelling argument

I pointed out that not anyone reporting on the industry has tried to paint Spiderman Homecoming as any kind of success, which of course is because it's not, the numbers make that clear.

China could change this, a massive opening there would put it firmly in the black, but it hasn't gotten a release date yet, and piracy is rampant there (probably more than any other place in the world) so with each passing day there will be fewer potential ticket sales.

>>94242903
>"our"
"Our" who?

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>>94242876
It's not going to be the lowest grossing, it's on his way to be either on par or beat TASM. Domestically it already made it, now it's a matter of worldwide

>>94242876

>but it has already made 3.3 times its $175,000,000 dollar budget in the box office.

People on 4chan still thinking the box office GROSS is what the studio gets to keep... what shitty timeline is this ?

>>94242924
It still hasn't opened in China and Japan, who fucking adore Spiderman. Also it is going pretty great in the European box office (particularly Spain, Germany, France and UK).

>>94242896
Well this movie was supposed to be truer to the original comics where Uncle Ben's advice to Peter wasn't the watered down PC garbage line that is "with great power comes great responsibility" but was instead "watch out for the blackies, Pete! They're strong as gorillas and they crave boy pussy!"

somehow arguing about millions of dollars that someone else is making just doesn't entice me

>>94242948
It's a question of who gets a sequel and who doesn't. They get money, we get entertainment.

>>94242930
Anon, make all the autistic analysis (>>94242908) you want, these movies make money or they wouldn't be a thing. Way smaller movies than HC paved the way for the entire MCU. Ant-man made only barely more than $500million yet the sequel was greenlit and in production. HC is making much more so OBVIOUSLY it's following suit. It's true, they don't make literally all the money mentioned, but stop acting like you have all the insights to be able to claim how much money they're making or losing, you just look like an idiot

>"You're the spiderman!"
>"First of all, it's 'Spider-Man,' you fucking chink. Respect the goddamn hyphen. Second off, what the fuck are you doing in my home? I told you earlier today that I wasn't going to play with your Legos, you autistic fuck. Why the fuck did you come here anyway? Goddamn, you're really pissing me off. You're lucky Mr. Stark won't let me turn on instant kill mode yet."
>"Peter? Who's that in your room?"
>"Nobody important, May. Just that faggot who does my math homework."

>>94241755
Let's face it OP is just attempting to start a Marvel vs DC war by comparing it to WW (the only good DC movie and the one who is reviving it). Even then WW is a movie we have seen before, namely Captain America but with a woman and with Steve Trevor as a composite stand-in for Bucky Barnes/Peggy Carter.

>>94242887
Far better considering Get Out cost less than 10 million, made more money and is a better movie/potential oscar contender. Also its not a Sony movie.

>>94242941
>tons of black people
>gonna do great in China

>>94242897
I'm not so mad about him being weak, but about him being portrayed as a retard. I mean, knocking himself out by jumping into a ceiling? Really?

>>94242988
Didnt hurt Independence Day back in 1996. Or any Will Smith movie for that matter. But then again I guess he is an outlier what with being a former biggest movie star in the world.

>>94243000
He thought the portal was still active, and it's not like it was a regular truck

>>94242943
It sucks that they ended up dropping the origin story scenes where Uncle Ben explains to Peter that, despite marrying an Italian-American, he did right by the white race and acted in his ethno-interests by never impregnating May and instead raising Peter.
I guess it makes sense, though, since that doesn't mesh well with Peter being friends with an Asian and being in love with a black girl.

>>94242988
>implying Asian markets don't love Supaidaman
>implying

Even then, movies like Captain America are incredibly popular and heavily feature black characters.

>>94243014
How much CA did in China?

>>94242974

>these movies make money or they wouldn't be a thing.

When they make money, they get sequels, when they don't or when they greatly underperform on expectations, we get a reboot

Amazing Spiderman 2 didn't, we got a reboot, we'll have to wait and see what Sony does next with their Spiderman franchise, unless they sell the license to keep afloat.

>>94243011
Yeah, he should have looked up, there was no reason to just jump out like a moron.

And he had no trouble busting out of the back later, so the truck wasn't that strong.

>>94243065

>How much CA did in China?

Which one ?

>>94243085
WS nad CW I guess. First one was in pre-hype about capeshit times.

>>94243012
It's why he thinks more of Uncle Tony.

>>94243096
More than 200 million

>>94243109
You ever read the leaked script for Homecoming back in 2016? It got lost in the tide of "OBVIOUSLY FAKE" and comic news in general being so focused on the election, but there was actually a few lengthy Tony Stark scenes in it. They probably got cut because RDJ is so expensive. I would link it if I could find it, but basically in one of them Tony explains the importance of going through the Training Wheels Protocol, Tony chases the Vulture with Spidey, and Tony spends 20 minutes trying to shill love, tolerance, and diversity to Peter. Peter spends the whole time denying Tony's Jewish wishes, but then Tony just programs Peter's suit to give him an electro-shock every time Peter thinks of something within his ethno-interests. Peter even screams at Tony "You're not my Uncle Ben!"

>>94243116
Both?

>>94243247
Yep

>>94243151
It's a shame that we didn't get to see Karen's privilege checker mode.

>>94243282
CW did 180 mil by being Avengers 3.0. SM have only Tony. There is no way it will make more.

ITT, spiderfags debate "muh spidey"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJX4ytfqw6k

This will be the last live action Peter Parker ever. He will be killed off after two more movies and replaced by Miles Morales. Bendis will celebrate the death of Peter Parker

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>even normies are starting to say ASM1 was better
At least inormies didn't say ASM2

>>94241755
Clearly the character wasn't black and/or gay enough

>>94243346
ASM2 was better

What was with the scene where Peter watches Bucky kill Uncle Ben, immediately followed by Peter swearing to never again ally with the white man? Weirdest shit ever. Here I thought they weren't going to do another origin story.

>>94243373

ASM2 is Catwoman tier.

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>>94243373
>ASM2 was better

>>94243391
Where did you get set photos from City Slickers Three?

>>94241755
Really bad action scenes. Audience also don't like to see spider-man klutzing around for an hour or go to super hero movies for teen drama.

I don't agree that ASM1 was better, but I do think it just kinda exists as a film and is perfectly skippable.

>>94241892
how is 600 million a flop?

>>94241755
Uncle Ben was basically replaced by Stark, leaving Peter with an incomplete moral core

>>94243678
Peter has to learn to get over his admiration of Uncle Ben?

Because you fags always forget that Tony is showed to.not be a good paragon or moral compass, and that Peter's entire arc was becoming his own man instead of going to the Avengers.

>>94243732
Don't you know anon, protagonists should always start at their prime in morals and abilities, growth is for pussies

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why is this board so fucking insistent on hating on this movie to the point they are putting value into what normalfags think. ISN'T THIS WHAT YOU WANTED: SPIDEY IN MCU
I fucking enjoyed myself and I'm not letting you faggot Marc webb shills ruin it for me. God do I hate this board sometimes, I really wish some idiot like The Danny Phantom Shooter kills you all

>>94243732
>SHC Spidey has to "become his own man"
>Neither Raimi nor Webb Spider-Man had to suck IronMan's cock and then learn to be an independent hero

How can so many shills defend SpiderShota like this? It's pathetic to see the character reduced to a squeaky fanboy.

Just got back from seeing it. I liked it. Only bad thing was how fucking unco Spidey was.
He had no spider sense or agility. I get he's supposed to be new to things but that stuff is sort of part of his inherit super powers.

>>94243796
>ISN'T THIS WHAT YOU WANTED: SPIDEY IN MCU

No one asked for Iron Lad and Uncle Tony. Or black MJ. Or Indian Flash. Or high school.

Asm movies are better than this movie, even if this movie was entertaining it should not have sequels.

>>94243626

>how is 600 million a flop?

Because the studio (Sony) doesn't get anywhere near those $600 million, it's called GROSS for a reason

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> Movie already at 600 million without China
> Hurrr it's a flop
> Everyone I know hates it, no one even cares anymore!
> Sony will be lucky to make 5 dollars total when it's all said and done because of my Hollywood Maths!

But hey, keep trying guys, this is actually kind of fun to watch a bunch of Anti-MCU shills try and spin every angle in a negative light hoping at least one of these manufactured shill mudballs stick. And with the Thor Trailer dominating Comicon I imagine we'll only see the damage control get more intense as they try everything they can to shit on this success.

Stay comfy guys. /pol/ would be proud.

>>94241922

Tom Holland looks like a toad. Maybe they should stop making spider-boy films

>>94245015
With the kind of money this blockbuster is bringing in? Don't bet on it.

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>>94242419

>>94243817
Im enjoying the tears of Raimi famboys and Spidercucks in general.
Glad one of the shittiest superheroes ever finally gets the reception he deserves.

Why do people think if Marvel got the rights to X-Men that it would turn out differently than this movie?

>>94241846
>First week
So the moive just vanished out of the Theathers after that, right?

It is about to pass Man of Steel and it still has a long run. It already surpassed both amazing Spider Man movies.

>>94241846
62%

Why do people lie so much

>>94245451
It wouldnt be made by Sony.
But bringing the X-Men is pointless.

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>>94241755
When you pump out a sterile, cookie-cutter, assembly line product, you get what you pay for. MCU is the McDonalds of cinema. Squeezed out from tubes for the masses, with zero nutritional value.

>>94245495
>It already surpassed both amazing Spider Man movies.
Not a tall hurdle to leap.

I heard two of the writers to an interview on npr. They talked about how the scenes were little vinyets that a bunch of people were working on. At one point they were asked to incorporate a toy for spider man to use while fighting crime.
Is this spidy poor?
I got high last night and saw the movie. It was fun keaton was great.

>>94245770
The TASM movies made tons of money, the Raimi ones simply made more. But the point is, you can't claim the franchise is in a worse place than before if it's having similar successes, Webbfags (which somehow still exist) never had an army of shitposters repeating over and over that those movies were financial flops because they didn't make 2 billion each, so why does Homecoming get them? It's all about the MCU

>>94243076
He was in a rush to catch the Vulture and was genuinely convinced the portal was still up.

>>94245784
vignettes

But, I getcha.

>>94245592
Not him but no matter how you slice it, HC's run is embarrassing.
>Daily
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&day=num&id=2017superhero.htm
>Weekend
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=2017superhero.htm
>Weekly
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekly&id=2017superhero.htm

>>94242216
I wonder if Peter being such a 'loser' is a thing that endears him so to the nips.

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>>94241755
just

>>94242210
/co/ would be better off as a /r9k/ clone, or at least an /a/. As it stands right now, this board is a hellhole.

>>94242459
Didn't Besson say himself that "the movie was definitely not made for America since it was no super heroes in it"?

>>94245979
It's embarrassing because it doesn't make as much money as two huge successes? Again, it's just like fucking /v/, where, say, the 3DS gets often painted as a failure because it didn't sell as much as the records-breaking NDS

>>94246092
Spider-Man and Iron Man aren't supposed to fall behind WW and GOTG.

>>94246150
And a movie that starred Superman and Batman should have broken records everywhere, but here we are.

>>94246174
BvS was ravaged by the critics and the audience. Homecoming had critics backing it up as the greatest Spider-man movie ever, supposed insane word of mouth, and RDJ in it.

>>94246174
Well, SM and BvS are both failures. BvS is a bigger one though.

>>94245825
>It's all about the MCU
So you're actually playing the brand war victim card now? Jesus Christ.

>>94241755
Stop shitposting Avi

Can somebody tell me how much longer you think spiderman will be in theatres, I'v already seen it, but my best friend hasen't, ill be going home on aug 7th, would it still be playing how like aug 15th?

Tldr: how much longer is spiderman in theatres.

>>94246259
at least through all of August.

>>94246276
Good.thank you. I'll be sad if I have to spoil the movie or watch a cam just to talk to him about it.

>>94246259
Why would you want to punish your best friend with this movie?

>>94246150
So that's what counts as failure now, "it should've made more because i say so"? So is it a compelling argument if i say WW "is embarrassing" because she's a cultural icon that made less than a meme baby-tree?

>>94241755
>hur durr muh monument built by slaves
>literally no documentation exists to back up this claim

at least if it were true it would just be a little annoying

>>94246330
Why so defensive? You didn't make this shitpile.

>>94241934
RAIMI COME BACK
ANY KIND OF FOOL CAN SEE
I WAS WRONG
AND I JUST CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT YOU

Great villain
great Spiderman
subpar movie built around them. The core characters were fine but the supporting cast was insufferable.

>>94246229
Not crying victim, stating a fact. Every single MCU movie has been shitposted into flop status, including the biggest hits like CW, with all the metal gymnastics that implies

>>94246375
Just tired of the general idiocy infecting this board, and i liked the movie. Why so surprised that some anons aren't willing to put up with your bs?

>>94246408
>Raimi comes back
>it's for a DCEU movie

>>94246310
He wants to see it, hes not a TV/movies or a superhero fan, but iv made him watch pretty much everything superhero related over the last 6 years. He likes the MCU, but it may be Stockholm Syndrome.

>>94246465
Already tried with the Flash

>>94245451
You mean a 92% on Rotten Tomatoes, overwhelmingly positive word of mouth and almost 600 million at the box office and still climbing all before even debuting in China?

Yeah, what a trainwreck.

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> mfw this still somehow break 1 billion in the end.

4chan is literally the only place on the Internet that isn't raving about this movie. Like seriously, you guys are trying to hard to build this false fantasy narrative where the movie that is a flop and everyone hates it when all I hear is everyone telling their friends to go see it and movie reviewers singing it's praises.

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>>94246558
Even hardcore "not muh" Spidey fans I know love Homecoming, I'm suspecting alot of the haters we're seeing here are just the DCucks false flagging.

>>94246587
Emoji Movie has 8% on RT and is debuting at #1 this weekend.

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> yfw the third Spider-Man reboot did better than the third Super Man reboot.

>>94246612
Your point?

>>94246634
You posted RT reviews to prove its quality and performance, omitting that the drops it's facing are abysmal.

>>94246660
Still at 600 million and climbing and not even out in China yet. I'm not sure what Emoji has to do with that.

It wasn't an event movie anymore. Even in this thread it comes off as a merchandising/MCU path to Infinity War tie-in product.

>>94242886

That stuff has been copypasta'd across boards because anons were that pathetic about throwing wrong predictions, and still triggered by it because they never stopped making such posts.

>>94246686
>climbing
Dude it's only in its 3rd week and at #5, losing to shit like The Emoji Movie.

>>94246196
And audiences seem to love it too, but we're looking a reboot fatigue with a franchise which has been drug through the mud for the previous three movies. That and we have more blockbusters coming out this summer than any year before leading to theater congestion.

>>94241873
>making less than $50k per year
you're either a student or a fucking loser
either way, good luck with being poor

>>94246715
Losing to a movie that is debuting on your third week isn't really that big of a deal as I think you want it to be.

Still at 600 million and climbing. For the record all movies at the box office are strugging with steep weekly drop-offs as well, it's not just a situation with Homecoming.

>>94246715
>A movie in it's 4th weekend is losing to a movie that came out yesterday
Whoa...

This movie could break 1 billion and /co/ would still try to spin it as a flop.

>>94246783

A barely above 0% RT score animated trash film that came out yesterday. With literal poop in its advertising.

>>94246780
> For the record all movies at the box office are strugging with steep weekly drop-offs as well, it's not just a situation with Homecoming.
Not Wonder Woman.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&day=num&id=2017superhero.htm

>>94246810
And targeted heavily at kids and sub-normer movie-goers. Of course it's going to out-do everything it's opening weekend.

>>94246558
Wasn't ASM2 considered "flop" with 700 mil? And it was the reason of reboot?

>>94246810
What am I supposed to do about the stupidity of mainstream movie audiences?

>>94246822
Well for as long as it's been out there's really no room for it to have steep drop offs anymore.

By the way, can you believe that WW is losing to the Emoji movie? DCEU is finished.

>>94241755
Trailer ruined the whole movie.

>>94246836
Spider-Man is targeted at kids too. In fact the entire MCU brand is a Disney movie series targeted at kids.

>>94246846
Audiences and Critics panned it and that was it's lifetime gains. In just three weeks Homecoming has almost met that.

>>94246861
And it did better than the Emoji movie it's own opening weekend so what's your point?

>>94246846
You have to take budget into account
On wikipedia it says the budget for ASM2 was between $200 and $293 million, while Homecomings is $175 million

>>94246349
Calm down, snowflake.

>>94246849

Reminder Wonder Woman's box office legs keep being compared to the Raimi Spider-Man era that Homecoming is right now validating as being the golden one.

>>94246943
Still, to see WW losing to a movie with almost 0% on RT is just embarrassing. Wasn't WW targeted at kids too? It's a Cape film after all. What a flop.

>MCU's exact equivalent to BvS is going to make less money than BvS
>less than Wonder Woman too
/co/ deserves to be humilliated like this, shame about the actual MCU guys they all seem nice people

It was OK, but it lacked a fundamental nugget of common sense in the script. A lot of the conflict was forced through a lack of communication from the characters.

Spiderman stops bank robbery from bad guys with high tec guns. He calls Happy, and get ignored. Then latter, he finds more bad guys with high tec guns and tried to stop them. Vulture shows up and tries to kill him. Iron man suit shows up and Tony berates Spiderman for taking on Vulture. Why? Before this moment these two characters have not had a scene together, nor was the Vulture brought up at all to Spiderman.

Another issue is the second scene with Spiderman and Stark. After the ferry is saved, Stark confronts Spiderman about ignoring him, and out of no where says he informed the FBI based on what Spiderman said to him.

Both scenes between Spiderman and Ironman are made to be artificially conflicted. There is no reason for these two characters should be in conflict IF there was common sense between them. It drives the rest of the story but it doesn't sit right with me. It's not as natural as, for example, the human holocaust in the very first Spiderman film, or uncle Bens white mans burden speech to Peter.

>>94246970

You haven't even watched it in order to understand the reason for its massive success, have you?

>>94246970
>Wasn't WW targeted at kids too?
I sure as fuck wouldn't take my kid into this movie with all the WW1 shit in it.

>>94241898
>They tried to make a very safe, inoffensive film.
Nothing safe or inoffensive about all the racebending and muh slaves built the Washington Monument.

>>94246880
>>94246885
Well, it has RDJ in it. He can't appear in any SM movie it save him.

>>94246970
None of the Snyderverse movies are aimed at kids, Snyder is embarrassed by all the goofy kid crap that's inherent in the medium.

>>94241826
FFFFTT

SWIK!

snap

>>94247006

If not for being almost bloodless WW would have had a higher rating.

>>94246943
WW had a pop culture novelty appeal Homecoming doesn't (First good Female Super hero movie and a first time movie adaptation of a character vs the third reboot of another). Additionally all of WW's direct competition were flops where as all of Homecoming's direct competition have been fighters.

>>94246976
Except Civil War was the MCU's equivalent of BvS. And with China there's really no telling what Homecoming could do.

>>94246998
>>94247006
> what is having your own absurdist logic thrown back in your own face as means of making a point?

>>94246970
Isn't it making more than homecoming too, despite having been released a few weeks later?

>>94247042
>>94247049
> m-m-m-muh serious story telling.

Hate to break it to you, but the DCEU's Nolan-esque grim-dark motif goes no further than anything directed by Snyder.

As for Homecoming, it's still rated PG-13 so that's going to limit its audience vs a movie like the Emoji movie so no matter how you want to spin the narrative.

>>94247088
But according to this thread Homecoming is a terrible movie so that's only to be expected, where as Wonder Woman was the greatest Cape film ever made. For shame.

>>94247088
But isn't your argument that Homecoming sucks?

>>94246976
>MCU's exact equivalent to BvS is going to make less money than BvS
MCU's equivalent to BvS already came out though, and made almost $300 million more

>>94247107
Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman are not movies that are suitable for young children, they're a hard PG-13.

>>94247146
So is Spider-Man Homecoming, they fucking cooked a guy alive with an alien plasma canon.

>>94247056
>Additionally all of WW's direct competition were flops

Not true. Since people brought up the fucking Emoji movie coming out this late in Wonder Woman's theatric run, let me remind you guys that early on Wonder Woman had to keep up against not one but TWO kid baiting animated juggernauts. Cars and Despicable. Both fresh on RT if you care about that. Despicable in particular grossing more than 600 million worldwide already the last time I checked.

The reason Wonder Woman was crowned as queen of the summer was succeeding against any kind of possible release. Action stars like Cruise, CGIfests like Transformers, animated films, good and badly reviewed films, even a damn Spider-Man film.

>>94247167
I think it just managed to me more unique for what it was in a sea of sequels and reboots and cash-ins.

>>94247155
Nothing graphic. The MCU is a lighthearted light PG-13. Even with its lewd dialogue, Guardians of the Galaxy was a perfectly suitable movie for kids. So were the Raimi films, even with the impalings and Evil Dead Homages and burned face Harry.

>>94247167
In the most crowded summer box office ever, quality+uniqueness trumps all else. We may be entering an era where being a good movie simply isn't enough. People want something new and WW was something new.

>>94247199
Very true, but in the end still plenty of families at all the DCEU films.

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>>94246071
>Implying /a/ and especially /r9k/ aren't hellholes

>>94247128
Avengers isn't the equivalent of BvS.

>>94247231
Captain America Civil War is though.

>>94247231
BvS is just as much a Justice League movie as Civil War was an Avengers movie. Knock off the goal post moving and subjective self-imposed qualifiers.

>>94247228
Yeah, perhaps-not-as-responsible/informed-as-they-should-be parents are always a laugh. I remember people taking their kids to the Nolan films, which were just a blood splatter away from being R.

>>94247042
And yet, most of his fans are edgykids and fedora manchilds, because Snyder is is one as well.

>>94242835
>tfw the actor who played Baby would play a great social outcast Peter

>>94241755
what went wrong 1 word=Sony

what's amazing is that it's still a really enjoyable movie even with how hard Sony tried to fuck it up, imagine how bad it would have been if Marvel hadn't been involved at all

>>94247279
I don't much care for this line "us vs them" rationale but there's no denying that Skwad's success was due largely to Hot Topic tweens.

>>94247300
True, how much do you want to bet that all the race swapping was Pascal's forced idea. Feige made it work for the most part, but it didn't really benefit the movie either.

>>94247056
>what is having your own absurdist logic thrown back in your own face as means of making a point?

Okay your initial "point" was Wonder Woman being embarrassing because it made less money on Friday than a new movie like Emoji.

Since this thread is telling me brand new releases and braindead moviegoing mentality trump anything like brand recognition or actual quality, let's just ask you to back your impression with figures.

Bring me up another movie other than Wonder Woman with a smaller Friday drop after so many days of release that would beat this Emoji movie you keep talking about, or leave the bait be.

>>94247339
You really don't get sarcasm at all do you?

>>94247337
The extent of it was likely Pascal's, but considering the minor race swaps in the MCU, I doubt she had to twist any arms.

>>94247228
>In the most crowded summer box office ever, quality+uniqueness trumps all else

Despicable was a third sequel, heck Cars was as well.

If you tell me those are the exception to this year's rule, it remains WW still didn't plunge like a stone in the face of those.

>>94247339
They were outlining the absurdity of the claims being heft against Homecoming by using WW in a similar comparison. Being the sub-normer autist lites that you all are, you took their tongue-in-cheek deconstruction of your erroneous logic and took it 100% seriously.

Fuck, you might as well be wearing a sign telling everyone "Hey I'm under 18 and shouldn't be posting here!"

>>94246880
>And it did better than the Emoji movie it's own opening weekend so what's your point?
The point is both movies are child-oriented and juvenile which bring the kiddies to theater seats, yet while Spider-Man has the MCU name brand behind it AND Robert Downy Jr, it has shorter legs and longevity than a movie like emoji movie with nothing but memes behind it. The cause of this is not simply reboot fatigue.

>>94247389
Despicable is still strong with kids and Cars aped it despite being a soulless franchise. Neither were outstanding success either and coasted along for the most part.

CG movies targeted at Kids will always do strong, it's everything else that's feeling the crunch.

>>94247437
One is rated PG-13, the other isn't. All the mental gymnastics in the world isn't going to change this or the fact that CG movies seem to be the one unconditional constant in an ever-congested movie market. Stop trying to force this MCU=kiddy fodder meme as if it holds any weight outside of shitposting.

>>94247437
If that were true Homecoming would be rated PG instead of PG-13.

I know the whole Marvel Movies being kid friendly thing is the kind of sour grape mentality you developed back when Snyder was all the DCEU had, but it's just getting tiresome now.

>>94247500
It's true though. The PG-13 X-Men movies are darker in tone than the MCU (though still fine for kids). The Netflix B-canon isn't suitable for kids.

>>94247231
You are correct. Captain America Civil War though is literally the equivalent of BvS, down to the plot

>>94246464
you are retard here spouting lies and trying to infect other into liking trash

>>94247563
A movie rated PG will always have more pull with Kids than any movie rated PG-13. Simple fact. Spin it however you like, but it's simply not an adequate claim for the narrative you're trying to make stick here.

>>94247128
Civil War is an Avengers movie so it's the equivalent of JL. BvS is the same as Homecoming

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>>94247636
>You are retard

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>>94241777
I work at a mall with a movie theatre right above me. I get people in all the time before and after films. Here is what I hear before.

>I can't wait! I never read comics but Spider-guy is the best.
>Im only going to see it for Iron Man
>Who is the latina chick? Didn't Spider man date a red head?
>Im probably going to see it twice today

Aaannndddd after

>It was great! I really liked that guy who played batman. Mike Keen I think is his name.
>My kids really enjoyed it
>Meh, I should have just waited for a good version on Exodus.
>Why isent the guy from Hacksaw ridge spiderman anymore? Did he get fired?
>I hated that there was no Mary Jane

Yea. Take from that what you will

>>94247696
BvS is just as much if not more so a Justice League movie than Civil War is an Avengers movie.

>>94247469
>One is rated PG-13, the other isn't. All the mental gymnastics in the world isn't going to change this
No parent cares if a 13 comes after the PG as long as it will get their kids to shut up for a couple of hours. It's a Spider-Man movie. Moreover it's an MCU movie. You know, the guys who made Age of Ultron and two Guardians of the Galaxy movies. MCU movies are kids movies regardless of the 13 rating. Stop hiding behind semantics.

>>94247712
I'm sure this is totally legit and entirely accurate of all anecdotal situations.

>>94247714
>3 famous characters with only one of them established in a previous movie
>all the avengers
Whatever helps you sleep budster, Homecoming is still Marvel's BvS though

>>94247724
Source?

Proof?

Evidence?

I didn't think so. It's just you thinking what you want. Movie ratings isn't semantics, they play a big role in what movies do well with kids and while parents are more laxed with letting sub 13-year-olds see PG-13 movies today then they were twenty years ago, if you think a PG-13 Minions movie would make half the money a PG Minions movie did you're only fooling yourself.

>>94247438

>Despicable is still strong with kids and Cars aped it despite being a soulless franchise. Neither were outstanding success either and coasted along for the most part

Both were reviewed okay, opened as #1 in their respective weekends (only Wonder Woman has repeated #1 in a while) and Despicable is almost at 750 million worldwide now, three movies in.

There you have your answer OP, RDJ wasn't enough to offset not being a CGI kids movie or not being completely unique. Homecoming is a okay TASM reboot and that's it.

>>94247696
Dude you are seriously reaching here. The only way Homecoming could be considered Marvel's 'BvS' is that they both feature two of their most popular heroes. Everything else, from the way they were marketed, to the plot, to the villains, is completely different

>>94247731
People are dumb. Those were just the more memorable ones.

>>94247753
BvS and Civil War were two movies about the two biggest heroes in each respective Super Hero Universes going to war with one another. Just because one had more background characters doesn't make it anymore or less the equivalent of the other. They both even aped a third big-name character (Wonder Woman and Spider-Man respectively).

Just because BvS was the third movie in and they had no one else to throw in the background because they're rushing the fuck out of their cinematic universe doesn't somehow automatically make Civil War an Avengers movie for citing that the previously established cinematic universe existed in the background of the main story.

>>94247767
Iron Man and Spidey are the two most famous marvel heroes

>>94247843
Iron Man in Homecoming is a glorified cameo.

>>94247843
Except Iron Man was barely in the movie and the two of them weren't fighting one another. Your argument is falling apart so spectacularly it's not even funny.