>On his podcast the BumbleKast, Ian Flynn stated, "I

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>>94228587
>pants

>>94228587
Probably better than Korrasami.

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>>94228587
>Sally and Nicole
Throw in Blaze and you've got my Sanic harem right there.

I mean sure fuck SJW's, but I'll make an exception here.

>>94228587
>gay convert

More like pathetic neet. She's fucking a hologram. She's basically fucking the doctor from Voyager.

>>94228587
I mean. I'm not sure how you could read Spark of Life as anything but a lesbian romance, to be honest.
Incidentally, Spark of Life is one of the best Archie Sonic arcs.

>>94228587
Ehh, she was a shit character anyways.

>>94228896
more like the doctor from Pulseman

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>>94228621
>spandex

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>Sally and Nicole being in a relationship
That must really suck for a certain character

>>94228587
Rock and roll.

>>94229014
>Shard was erased by the reboot
>Sega mandated that Sonic and other game characters can't be in relationships
All they have is each other now.

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>>94228587
Didn't Ian say there was no point adding gay relationships Sonic because it has no point in a childrens comic?

If not, for shame Ian. For shame.

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>>94228587
Is it gay to date a hologram?

Also, which podcast was this?

>>94228896
>>94229177
Reboot-Nicole began as an actual flesh and blood Lynx that died and was reborn as a computer program.

>>94229207
So homosexuality is a transcription error?
sounds about right

>>94228587
what the fuck

>>94229207
Not in that continuity. In the comics after the reboot she is just a computer program although she was originally designed to help her creator's dying daughter, I forget how exactly but it had something to do with scanning her brain or something like that.
Nicole looks like that daughter. We don't see very much of her so it isn't sure if Nicole also copied any personality or being gay from the daughter or if that was all acquired by Nicole herself

>>94229170
That's not what he said at all. He said that Rotor's homosexuality (which was only ever brought up by Penders after he left the book) "wasn't even worth mentioning," because "There was absolutely no canonnical build-up to Rotor’s sexual preference, regardless of what one of the writers might have intended at some point."

>>94229496
There was no "intention" at all. Penders only said that Rotor was gay from out of the blue so he call Ian a bigot for killing off his "implied" lover.

Penders is a strange flesh balloon that fueled by pettiness at this point.

>>94229496
He did say that though
on the now-defunct bumbleking forums

>>94228896

Id fuck Picardo

>>94228587
Is it just me or does this feel a little too "obvious" to be real?

I mean, it is the case, but making Sally and Nicole lovers feels too predictable.

>>94229820

Better obvious than out of the blue like Iceman

>>94229496
>>94229655
Rotor said he had an intimate relationship with the Old Knuckles. He was actually supposed to be gay in the future. I hate Penders as much as the next Flynn fan, but the big hint was there.

>>94228587
But- but- Sonally!

>>94228587
I wish I could fuck my computer.

Make sense. SEGA doesn't want anyone BUT Amy to have a relationship with Sonic.

>>94230459
"Relationship"... right. You mean comedy routine.

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>Sonally is dead for good
How sad. Now it's time for best girl to get Sonic in the new comic

>>94230459
If by relationship you mean stalking him and threatening him with a hammer.

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>>94230576
Watch as they take the Fleetway route and lesbo her out again.

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>>94228621
Spats, pham.

>>94230754
Hey, Amy & Tekno only happened because Fleetway Sonic was a bit of a douche.

>>94230741
When was the last time that even happened?

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>>94230826
Eh. Boom Sonic is a "bit of a douche." Fleetway Sonic was full-blown asshole. Probably the only version of the character who was willing to openly pick on Tails, the orphaned child who adored him as a hero.

Huh

I'm actually not okay with lesbo Sally. It bothers me and I can't articulate why.

>>94228849
Yiff in hell

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>>94228587
>lesbian relationships in a Sonic the Hedgehog comic

This is one of the reasons why SEGA imposed those mandates and eventually took the IP to IDW. People who play the videogames now (the audience SEGA wants reading the comic) do not care about characters from a western cartoon made 20 years or intimate relationships in Sonic.

Now that the Freedom Fighters are out of the picture, Sonic isn't tied down to a furry superhero team and can just go on normal adventures akin to his games.

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>>94230995
Maybe because it's yet another previously established character being thrown into the "token appeasement" pit.

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>>94231103
The sonic fanbase is trying VERY hard to get IDW to keep the Freedom Fighters, and they're loud enough for it to possibly work.

Also those mandates only apply to game-origintating characters, so dyke Sally is free game

>>94230995
It's because those damn SJWs are forcing us to accept the gay agend in the Sonic comic & you know better than to be okay with this horrendously forced nonsense!

Jk. In all honesty, Ian never said Sally & Nicole were in a relationship. What he actually said on his podcast was that people can say they like each other if they want, but he's really just done with shipping. He's also known for fucking with Sonic fans A LOT, so I wouldn't take everything he says on Twitter at face value either.

>>94231123
Except It's Sally, who was barely consistent in her relationships already.

>>94228587
My dick agrees with this, and its not like Sega would allow her to be with Sonic anyway.

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>>94231152
>Except It's Sally, who was barely consistent in her relationships already.
You have a point, but that's almost reason to be MORE careful with pairing her. She's gaining quite the reputation.

>>94231280
squirrels are made for lewd

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>>94231146
Even if the Freedom Fighter do appear in the IDW comic, they aren't going to be the main focus like in Archie. Instead, they're going to be a team that Sonic and his other game-originating friends help out when the situation arises.

Sonic, Tails, Amy, etc aren't going to be actual members of the Freedom Fighters, they're just friends who go on adventures and fuck up Eggman and other big bads.

Sonic isn't the kind of guy who would commit himself to a team anyway, he's too cool for that.

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>>94231327
I wouldn't even think about arguing with you.

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>>94230802
No, THESE are spats, senpai.

>>94228587
I remember somebody asked him about it on twitter at one point and said he was open to the idea, but SonAlly shippers would pretty much go nuclear.

>>94231377
If you're trapped in the 1800's, maybe.

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I think of all the Archie gang Ill miss Nicole most of all.

>>94231435
Well, she is one with the smallest likelihoods of ever coming back, given she's an actual original creation of theirs, sans name.

>>94228587
This is suddenly relevant:
http://imgur.com/a/I5OLi
Skip to the fourth and final pages.

>>94228587
>look we made hot lesbians! Aren't we sooo brave and progressive!

>>94231729
Ian never said they were lesbians. Have your (You)

>>94231341
My hope for IDW comics is that they are gonna make a great Team Dark dynamic eventually.

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>>94232779

Yeah, they where one of the best parts. Somehow they just balance out so perfectly to cancel out the edge and deviant art crap

>>94231341
One of Sonic's biggest issues is the bazillion incarnations of the character. If you sat 10 Sonic fans in a room they all could potentially have completely (equally valid) interpretations about who Sonic is.

It's going to be nice to have a clean slate but there's going to be so many people pissed off whichever direction they choose to go in.

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>>94228587
>[Sally and Nicole being in a romantic relationship]

She's taken nearly every kind of dick and now she has her eyes on a literal 2d waifu. Jesus can anyone stop this slut?

When will her lust be satiated?

>>94232865
That's basically what they do in the games they appear in as well. Rouge is like a really good foil to Shadow's brooding ass and Omega's killbot routine.
No wonder people like to pair Shadow with Rouge.

>>94232779
>>94232865
This. After Shadow's game, I feel like this was the best path for his character arc to take. It sucks '06 turned out the way it did, because I would have loved more stories of Team Dark doing black ops missions for G.U.N. and the commander telling Shadow he's a loose cannon who doesn't play by the rules.

>>94230893
Fleetway Sonic is probably my favorite interpretation of Sonic. It's a much more interesting dynamic than
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV8sWUmzNXM

>>94233057
Shadow's story in '06 was like one of the few good things about the game. Really drove home the whole companion thing with the three.

Though I have a soft spot for them fucking around like joining up in Riders just so Shadow can show other people up and Rouge can steal shit.

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>>94233003
It's a shame TMS has the rights to the other half of the best Rouge pairing.

>>94233155
I bet that was what fueled SEGA's idea for Sonic and Elise.

>>94233155
If there's one thing Sonic X did right it was stylizing the humans and Sonic characters to fit pretty well together.

>>94232911
Sally won't stop until she fucks every kind of being under the sun

>>94232865
>Shadow & Rouge is best Rouge pairing
>Not Knuckles & Rouge
brb, gonna throw my mother into a wall

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>>94233178
Elise was just a modernization/redesign that appeals more to Japanese audiences of Sonic's originally planned girlfriend.

>>94233199
Knuckles and Rouge was nice on paper, but then the dudes at sonic team spend more time developing Rouge and Shadow's relationship in spin-offs and main games that it might as well not have existed in SA2.

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>>94233093
That's not fair. Every interpretation of Sonic is more interesting than Sonic Team's vanilla "Just a guy who likes adventure!" shtick.

>>94233257
That gives me some Roger and Jessica Rabbit vibes.

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>>94233093
Wow, I forgot how spectacularly shit Heroes' Tails voice actor was.

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>>94233356
It's a good thing he's only relentlessly screeching in your ear for a quarter of the game.

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>>94233319
Not surprising. Same origin. They both hail back to Tex Avery classic cartoons.

>>94233093
I just couldn't stand Tails' voice and switched to the Team Dark one. That's still Rouge's first VA from SA2 voicing her there, right?

>>94233450
Yeah I think Shadow the Hedgehog was the start of them using the 4kids cast consistently.

They kept changing Tail's voice actor because they kept using actual little kids who would mature faster than they could crank out the games.

>>94233450
Pretty sure. It does sound like her.

Poor Optimus.

>>94233551
I actually liked her 4kids voice. It at least sounded more 'professional' in quality.

Did he say something about IDW hiring him?

>>94233636
4kids is such a mixed bag in the voice department. Sometimes they sound professional, sometimes they are directed to have stupid accents because they don't think characters are interesting enough without everything being a damn stereotype.

>>94233948

And sometimes they have Susan Blu, and its really really good.

>>94233155
thats not Knuckles

>>94233149
If there's one good thing about the Shadow the Hegdgehog game, its that it was Shadow's final resolution of his angst, making him pretty much to only character since Tails in SA1 to get character development. For such an edgy game, it results in Shadow shaving off his edge, to just blunt.
Shadow becomes a better character when he LOSES his main character trait, think about it.

>>94233178
In my headcanon, if there was ever a remake of Sonic 06, there would be a non-alternate Blaze take Elise's place.

>>94234430
Sonaze shipper, eh?

>>94234472
Here we have a princess with fire powers (from another dimension, or a fire future).
Then, there is another princess with a fire demon inside of her.
It just makes sense.

>>94234472
>>94234532

I mean I would probably greater accept a Sonic/Elise relationship if Elise was also an animal, and would give Blaze a reason to be there. Literally nobody but Silver ever talks tp or acknolwedges the existence of Blaze in 06.

>>94233976
Which one was she?

>>94234659

She was voice director on TMNT 2K3.

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>>94233199

Rouge and Knuckles just come off as a discount Batman and Catwoman. It's fun but there's no meat to it and Knux will never give up his guardian schtick.

Shadow on the other hand actually seems to change a lot more for her and he keeps her thief habbits in line. They have more a sense where they need each other

>>94228587
Listen just because Sally or Korra or that kid from the Loud House want to plough a girl doesn't mean she's a lesbian. There's nothing wrong with a little girl-on-girl! I'm from Nebraska and over here we call that Thursday Night Strawberry Yogurt

>>94234745
but rouge and shadow are on the same side, batman and catwoman frequently aren't

I did like the time Amy successfully shamed Shadow into not betraying Blaze.

>>94234745

Feh, they're more like brother and sister. And other brother.

Rouge is the older sister making sure her two idiot siblings don't blow themselves up.

>>94234822
you sound like the knucklesxrouge autist now
you know the one

>>94234745
>Shadow on the other hand actually seems to change a lot more for her and he keeps her thief habbits in line. They have more a sense where they need each other.
I think it also showed in the past games.

>>94233294
>in spin-offs and main games
Actually I remember teasing for both Rouge and Knuckles, and Rouge and Shadow pairings in the games.

It was the comics that tried to focus more on Shadow and Rouge, specially before the reboot, as Knuckles was already "married"

>>94236874
>teasing

This. There was no development for the pairings, except for teasing and the usual fanservice... of which I mostly remember RougeKnuckles

>>94235608

A sad individual.

I do think they make sense, but I also know the games will never ever do anything, so why bother?

Didn't realize they announced an IDW book. Is there any clue on who they mean by "been speaking with beloved Sonic fan-favorite creators and new creators alike,"?

I assume Flynn is the one everyone wants. Was Spaz still working on the books at all?

>>94230459
>Implying that they're not low-key setting him up with Blaze

Oh poor sweet naive anon

>>94234822
Depends on which continuity, in the old continuity shadow was the older sister

>>94228587
>>94228896
>>94229496
>>94229965
This is why we don't need those faggots to return. We got plenty of video game characters to use, and the last thing Sonic needs is that bullshit furry drama to return. Sonic Adventure 1/2 is the right amount of drama needed.

I hope Sally comes to the IDW comics just to make Amy fans assblasted again.

>>94228587
I mean, every male relationship she had except for a little girl crush with knuckles was pretty much awful. I wouldn't be shocked if she tried girls, but a fling with bunnie would have been awesome...

>>94238513
Unleashed and Adventure 1 had the perfect tone for a Sonic story, comics should look to those games while including good humor.

The Freedom Fighters can fuck off from being the main characters in the comic, nobody cares about non-game characters from a 90s tv show that made up shit since the games didn't have much of a story.

>>94238513
>t. person who hasn't read the comics post-reboot

>>94238595
I'm an Amy fan & I wouldn't mind Sally coming back. Not like Sally's ever gonna be with Sonic again.

>>94238657
I read them, and I still hate the Freedom Fighters. We don't need them. They're relics of the past that need to stay buried. The reboot should have gotten rid of them entirely.

>>94238644
>>94238644
i always thought SA2 had a pretty good tone
it was serious as a Sonic game should ever get

>>94238681
The entire point of the freedom fighters was to fill in the horrid personality/character role gap in the sonic game cast.

If it's not them, it'll be other new characters instead.

>>94238681
>We don't need them.
So what? They still have fans & if there's still a fanbase for those characters, there is no harm is keeping them around.

>>94238740
>If it's not them, it'll be other new characters instead.
No need for new characters, the game characters do what they do.

>>94238755
Overlap of characters. The games introduced more and more characters, enough for a supporting cast and a background cast. I imagine SEGA will assess this comic with some rules that let the writers use the game characters to an extent.

>>94238725
Agreed. I hope they don't go for the type of self-referential humor the modern games are full of. I don't think they could pull it off as well as the Sonic Boom cartoon does.

>>94238815
The game characters are not a rounded enough cast to support an ongoing story.

If they made the comic using only them, they would either have to massively adjust some characters, or it would become very stale very quickly.

The cast is too small for an ongoing series.

>>94238815
Not even that big on the FFs, but do the games have an AI character, a cyborg, a swordsman or a leader-type? And it doesn't matter if there's "no need for new characters." Every form of Sonic media has introduced new characters, so FFs or not, there's gonna be new characters in the IDW comics.

>>94230576
>sonamy
gross

>>94230754
>>94230826
Please explain as I don't know what this is.

>>94238859
>The game characters are not a rounded enough cast to support an ongoing story.
Yes, they are. You're just pissy that they can't be shoehorned in some gay love triangle soap opera bullshit.
>The cast is too small for an ongoing series
Again, they're not. Plenty of game characters to use, look them up.

>>94238873
>AI character, a cyborg
Irrelevant.
>Swordsman
Espio if they dip further into his ninja motif
>Leader-type
...
You really typed this. You archiefags are stupid.

>>94238926
People like to joke about how Amy & Tekno love each other in the Fleetway comics.

>>94238965
Anon, you do know saying "irrelevant," "they could do this with another character that's never done this" & "you're stupid!" are not good arguments.

>>94234822
i agree with you, the have always given me a sibling vibe in every continuity

>>94238965
No, they aren't.

Sonic is an aloof but mostly blank character outside of trying to be cool.

Knuckles is a gullible idiot.

Amy is 2 dimensional and her personality is defined by her getting wet for sonic.

Tails is good with engineering. End of character.

Shadow is a generic antihero.

Rouge and Gamma probably have the most complete actual character of anyone in the cast.

Robotnik is a cartoon villain, and again one dimensional.

There is a reason EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF MEDIA FOR THE FRANCHISE HAD TO EXPAND THE CAST OR REDESIGN THEM.
Again, if IDW doesn't use the freedom fighters, they will be using their own created cast to round this out, on top of having to redesign personalities and motivations for other established characters because there's nothing solidly defined to work with.

>>94239019
Neither is
>They still have fans & if there's still a fanbase for those characters, there is no harm is keeping them around.
You fail to realize how many useless characters the comic introduced and how many of them were phased out, be it Penders-related or if they were literally taking up space. Keeping things strictly with the game characters avoids clutter and keeps things consistent. The comic was made when that cartoon was big. Now, its fanbase is minuscule and non-existent. Meanwhile, the games have gained more and more fans since. What would be the smart thing to do, hold on to relics from a shitty cartoon or make a new comic based on the elements that most people know best?

>>94239080
Short version: I can't put these characters in a shitty love triangle because they can't be developed. Sounds good to me. You fuckers won't let this go, will you?

>>94239119
>I know, I'll just put words in people's mouths rather than respond to their actual argument cause then I can still feel smart!

>>94234822
>>94239049
I feel this way as well. Something about their character dynamics makes me really enjoy seeing them as team-mates and very close friends, but for some reason I can't imagine them as a romantic pairing.

>>94233149
My personal headcanon for every side game where Shadow partakes in contests and shit is that it's actually just one of Eggman's Shadow androids that Rouge reprogrammed to help her get rich and steal trophies because the real Shadow is more concerned with doing his job as a G.U.N. agent than catering to her gold digger bullshit.

>>94234418
Exactly. Too bad genesisfags will overlook this fact and lump it with all the other 3D Sonic games as "DEY ALL BAD!" because dickriding Egoraptor and shilling shitty Doom mods with sanic characters means not giving anything after the 90s a chance.

>>94239119
>or make a new comic based on the elements that most people know best?
Personally speaking, I would like a universe like the post-reboot comics. Mostly centered on locations & characters introduced in the games, but also used characters from long-forgotten pieces of Sonic media, whether they're from the TV shows or games themselves. That made the universe far more recognizable for gamefags but also introduced them to characters they might not have known about. And I'm not one of those people who thinks "the game characters have no personality & need OCs" like >>94239080. I just think that you can reach a compromise & have some characters that comicfags like, while keeping majority of the focus on the game cast.

>>94230893
Is he really that much of a douche? I'd call it snarky at worst.

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>>94239174
Why do we need to develop characters in a comic based on a video game series? Why can't we just get some entertaining stories with what we know about the characters from the games? Why is keeping it simple treated as heresy? You actually want that bullshit Penders and all those other writers tried to implement in a Sonic comic?

>>94239237
Fair enough. Sticks doesn't bother me in Boom, even though I find it to be really hit-or-miss and I'm not fond of Knuckles' design. But I get why people like it.

>>94239293
>Why do we need to develop characters in a comic based on a video game series?
Because unless you want to just do a different story every month where eggman builds a robot or creates something horrid and they smash it, which is largely what the games circulate around, it's a bad idea.

That sort of story telling gets EXTREMELY repretitive very quickly, and if they went that route the book would be lucky to last two years.

>You actually want that bullshit Penders and all those other writers tried to implement in a Sonic comic?

You've got a big problem with putting words in people's mouths and not actually reading.

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>>94239443
>unless you want to just do a different story every month where eggman builds a robot or creates something horrid and they smash it, which is largely what the games circulate around
Nothing wrong with that. Plenty of robots to use. You can even take a regular robot and make a massive threat. Why not? Sounds good to me. A nice MotD comic that leads into Eggman's bigger bots sounds ideal. I'm mad because this won't happen and you Archiefags will get those Freedom Faggots back in the comic.

>>94239293
Do you think you might be taking a huge leap in assuming that it's either NO new non game content or it HAS to be Penders quality?

Do you really want to take that position?

>>94239494
>Nothing wrong with that.
>That sort of story telling gets EXTREMELY repretitive very quickly, and if they went that route the book would be lucky to last two years.
Monster of the day comics do not sell enough to survive.

>>94239533
>That sort of story telling gets EXTREMELY repretitive very quickly
Not if you keep it interesting.
You're just scared it can be done and your precious Freedom Fucktards will show to be useless. Give it up, anon. Mania is coming to make Sonic viable. It's time to move on and evolve.

>>94239558
Keeping it interesting is why they bring in an expanded cast so the stories aren't all


Go on, give us some examples of how you can widely vary monster of the day stories using only the limited game cast, no one else, and not wildly altering characters.

>>94239558
>>94239494
Show us on the doll where the Freedom Fighters touched you, anon

>>94228587
i don't care about the archie/SATAM OCs but i feel doing the whole posthumous reveal like they did with korra is a dumb copout.

>>94239080
In the upcoming Forces game Tails' character might be developed a little because it was apparently leaked that he would temporarily leave Sonic and the resistance for some reason. No details as far as I know, some speculated that Tails might leave because he doesn't think the resistance will ever win, or because Sonic went missing (don't know where they are getting that from), or even speculating that Eggman might travel to the past and recruit Tails before he met Sonic. And plenty of people complained about it ruining Tails and ruining the game even though nothing about this sub-plot is known and it hasn't even been confirmed.

I think there is a fundamental difference in what fans of the Archie characters and those who don't like the Archie characters want from Sonic; the former generally want more developed characters and stories, the latter generally prefer simpler characters and stories like they are in recent games, if not simpler. I actually wonder if there is even any point in arguing over this, I'm almost certain there is nothing to learn or agree upon, just endless frustrated posts wondering why everyone doesn't want Sonic to be like what I want it to be.

>>94239675
Sonic game fans don't really know what they want and argue endlessly about it, but the actual content shows that sega has no idea or plan to really build the lore up for shit.

>>94238830
Boom works as well as it does cause its the only one doing it.

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>>94239599
You put your foot in your mouth now.
>Caterkiller being a threat in Marble Zone
>Crabmeat infestation in Green Hill, a larger Crabmeat being the source of the problem
>Roller causes havoc in Spring Yard, Sonic takes the blame
>Buzz Bombers attack from above, causing small animals to scatter around while Eggman snatches them up
>Motobug has a bomb set to blow up a part of Green Hill, Sonic/etc. races to stop it before it detonates
>Burrobot destroys the Labyrinth ruins while mining for rings or something similar while Jaws swarms the waters around it, causing Tails to make a submarine that can counter them
>Star Light can be a city of sorts, maybe even where characters like Amy and so on can live at, or Station Square if you want a more accurate example
>Spring Yard is also another area that can be populated or show signs of a population, tying in with Roller being mistaken for Sonic
And that's only the first game. Take the game characters, put them in those scenarios as seen fit and there you go, an interesting take on the games. And don't say it's useless or redundant, I did exactly what you told me, now put YOUR money where your mouth is.

>>94239724
All of those stories are literally the same thing.

Robot is threatening everything and they stop it.

How many issues of this do you think readers would sit through?

>>Star Light can be a city of sorts, maybe even where characters like Amy and so on can live at, or Station Square if you want a more accurate example

Okay, so you want a polulated setting with no new characters at all. Good luck with that.

>>94239273
its entirely possible that IDW will be printing it

>>94230576
No thanks; Blaze deserves better than that rat.

>>94239273
Why, when it's almost assured to come out under IDW?

>>94239724
You are describing the first like ten issues of archie's sonic.

Archie did this same sort of villain of the week crap and it couldn't last.

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>>94239746
>All of those stories are literally the same thing.
Ah-ah-ah, you told me to make some scenarios based on what you asked for, and I gave them to you, nigga. And Sonic the Comic did exactly this to a lesser extent.
>Okay, so you want a polulated setting with no new characters at all
Pic related.
You lose.

>>94239773
StC did it too, moreso than Archie.

>>94239793
Scenarioes that are widely varied, which you couldn't do. Just interchangable threat, no consequence stories.

>And Sonic the Comic did exactly this to a lesser extent.
Sonic the Comic added its own expanded cast and had more going on than monster of the day, you know this.

>>94239793
>Using sonic the comic to support his argument that the comic doesn't need to use any new characters
>Sonic the comic, which had dozens of unique characters

uhhhh

>>94239838
>>94239871
I know what I said, which is why I posted that image. There's plenty of characters to use, and not every damn story or scenario needs a consequence. C'mon already. You're boiling this down to
>If the comic doesn't have drama, it's no good
They used the game characters first and foremost, before developing them. Only this time, you can just use the game characters, be it the animal friends, the playables, and so on.

Be honest, you just want to keep the Freedom Failures around so you can have some bullshit added on that has little to do with Sonic. You actually like that dumbass drama the comics had during the pre-160 run. Nostalgia is why you won't let go of them.

>>94231058
New to /co/, I see?

>>94239932
Not them, but any sort of tension in a story is drama. If you actually want a story without drama, you pretty much just want a character who stays at home and watches tv.

Their problems are repetitive non-drama.

>>94239932
If you go all the way back through the posts, I not once single time asked for the freedom fighters to be included or said they even should be included, only that there's no way there won't be new characters added by IDW.

You don't like reading what people actually write, though, so I'm not surprised you didn't read that.

>You actually like that dumbass drama the comics had during the pre-160 run

You should really do something about your selective illiteracy. It's going to have an immensely negative effect on your life.

>>94239953
>If you actually want a story without drama, you pretty much just want a character who stays at home and watches tv.
Or, there can be action without any forced drama. You can always play things in a lighthearted manner.

>>94239968
Okay, and I give you this: SEGA is going to make sure IDW doesn't fuck up like Archie did, which means the OC's and other elements that Archie had may not be around this time and they may not be able to make new OC's. It's their IP and I wouldn't put it past them after what Penders did. It's for the best, whether you like it or not.

>>94240000
>and they may not be able to make new OC's
Given that sega let a show make new characters after the penders shit, nope.

Sally was a mistake.

>>94240009
Not only make new characters, but also rewrite established characters.

>>94240009
>>94240022
They don't give a shit about Boom, and are letting it run its course. Boom was also around two/three years ago, before Archie sealed their fate with the second lawsuit and overall took things in another direction with Mania.

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>>94240027
>Sega will surely maintain their IP because of penders!
>They didn't last time new sonic media was made.
>WELL THAT DOESN'T COUNT

>>94240027
Sega didn't dump archie over OCs, Sega dumped archie over not being responsible with their internal contract work, which is what allowed for the lawsuits.

They don't care about OCs, and you've got really nothing to back up that they do.

>>94240076
Things can change in that short amount of time, anon.

>>94240088
I didn't say they dumped Archie over the OC's, I'm saying they're not likely to take chances now that they don't have to deal with Archie, which means they may wanna avoid another Penders fiasco.
>They don't care about OCs, and you've got really nothing to back up that they do.
Duh? Isn't that what I said? They don't give two shits about the comic OC's.

>>94240090
Maybe, but there's zero indication that they will.

Hell, OCs are a main feature of their new game.

>>94240113
And I'm telling you that they won't be taking precautions for something that wasn't a problem. They remedied the actual problem by switching off the irresponsible publisher.

Businesses like sega aren't paranoid morons.

>Duh? Isn't that what I said? They don't give two shits about the comic OC's.

I don't believe you read that whole post and still misinterpreted that sentence that badly, with that context.

>>94240145
Okay. If they really cared about the OC's, they'd have used them in the games. Twenty years and only one game used them, albeit in a cameo.

>>94240180
Funny, since their new game is being marketed hard on being able to make your own OC.

Also, neat that you don't know how contracts work. Sega doesn't just own the characters from the comics outright.

>>94240198
>Sega doesn't just own the characters from the comics outright.
They do. They own them in their entirety. Assuming you mean the characters they were allowed to use.

>>94240220
>Sega owns the characters
>The ones they were allowed to use

You don't really know what you are talking about.

>>94229032
literally who

>>94240251
I'm talking about the ones that wouldn't cause Penders to have an autism attack.

>>94240220
Sega owns the characters from the games entirely.

Sega does not own the comic OC characters.

I'm not sure you know how hands off sega was with the comic. They barely paid it any attention till they were named in a lawsuit.

>>94240293
>was
Keyword. Once it happened, they took over. For good reason.

>>94240305
>they took over.
Define took over.

Use a source.

>>94240325
The mandates, you tramp. No more gay furry drama or echidna faggotry, and no shitty relatives either.

>>94240343
No source, eh?

Surprising.

>>94233356
Nigga, I don't think it's much better than in Heroes 1 even, when the only characteristic detectable in Tails' voice is that he is at most 8 years old.

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>>94240352
You can pretend the rules and guidelines SEGA put doesn't exist, the point is they took control and told them what they could and couldn't use/do/etc.

>>94240354
I meant Sonic Adventure 1, sry.

>>94240392
It's really easy to pretend something doesn't exist when you literally can't show it to anyone.

Which you can't.

Because it doesn't exist in the way you think it exists, you just hope it does.

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>>94240421
>Being this much in denial
My work here is done.

>>94240392
Sega's mandates after penders must have had nothing to do with OCs, since Archie created dozens of them after it.

What they didn't get to use anymore was any Penders stuff and they couldn't make sonic look like a bitch after that cover of him crying.

>>94240421
I'm a different anon, barely even a part of the Sonic fandom, and I have heard of the stuff that guy is mentioning, and it only makes sense for Sega to have clamped down on rights like that.

>>94231410
No, he's right. Those are spats in the US. Those leggings are only called spats by Japanese people and Weeaboos.

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>>94240458
You probably heard it from here.

Nothing in the comics from after the shit happened suggest anything to the extent this anon claims.

>>94228587
IDW always turns characters gay. Prepare for some of the most insufferable furry books to ever see print.

>>94240293
From what I've heard, SEGA owns all OCs post-reboot. They did that so they won't have to worry about another Penders

>>94240590
A) IDW has nothing to do with this. This was in the Archie comics & like Ian said, it's there if you want it to be that way. B) There's nothing IDW can do that can match the comic Dark Ages in terms of shit.

>>94240629
And you heard that where?

>>94240643
nvm, just looked it up. Ian Flynn created the post-reboot characters. But if he's getting brought back to the IDW comic (and IDW did say fan favorites will be coming back), then they could return. Or not, who knows?

>>94240629
>>94240643
>>94240717
SEGA and Archie made well sure that Ian's contract, and the contract of any new people, enforced their creations were SEGA's. They are perfectly able to use them for the new comics, like they are able to use SatAM and AoSTH characters, they likely just won't want to.

>>94230754
But that was literally the best.

>>94234776
This but unironically.

since the memes go around and people forget with time, it's worth mentioning Amy wasn't a lesbian in Fleetway, not intentionally at least- that was a fan meme, and as far as Lew Stringer was concerned, Tekno wanted to bone Shortfuse anyway but he'd never show that because who wants romance in kids' comics.

Now Tails, on the other hand, was a homo as far as he was concerned, and in the same way, Mighty's father was also gay and his friend he was always seen with, Society Max, was more than a friend. Again though, never actually written into the comic, since what does this matter for a kids' adventure comic anyway.

>>94232865
Team Dark is best when it's just Rouge and Omega making fun of Shadow for being edgy.

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>>94241787
The Amy and Tekno strips, and Knuckles solo strips, were by far the best part of STC. STC Super Sonic was also amazing.

>>94228587
>virtue signalling homosexual reveal no.2812515, surprise it's lesbians again!

how progressive

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>>94240409
You are objectively wrong and a faggot.

>>94239766
I do hope that it will happen.

>>94242840
>Making this post when Ian never said they were lesbians
Are you pretending to be retarded again, anon?

>>94233450
>>94233576
Yep. Lani Minella. She has over 500 credits, a lot of which slip under the radar.

>>94239793
>Cucky.

>>94242909
You sound awfully defensive, sorry not everyone is into virtue signalling bullshit, anon?

>>94241787

>Now Tails, on the other hand, was a homo as far as he was concerned

This I would be okay with. It could actually be spun into a pretty compelling story, I think.

>>94242929
>I'm going bitch about something without knowing the actual context of Ian said

Have fun with that

>>94242929
Or, you could bother looking up what he actually said on his podcast, which was basically: "I don't really care for Sally/Nicole, but if you wanna say they like each other, go ahead. I'm not all that interested in shipping anymore when it comes to the Sonic characters."

Not to mention how much Ian loves to fuck with fans on Twitter. Maybe you should stop being a faggot, anon?

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>>94242929

>WOW FUCKING SJWS FUCKING FAGGOTS EVERYWHERE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>"It's not actually like that at all though"
>WOW SO DEFENSIVE SJW FAGGOT U MAD? FUCKING SJWS. I DON'T READ THIS COMIC BY THE WAY

I wish /pol/ would not post.

>>94242959
I doubt the anon making the post honestly cares about Sonic or the comic. Just looking to shitpost.

>>94242991
Don't bother, anon. Let's just keep this thread Sonic-related.

So do you anons expect the IDW comic to be its own universe, or do you expect it to be the same universe we've seen in the Sonic games?

>>94243015

Probably much more closely related to the games. The comic universe being separate from the game canon probably wasn't very effective at marketing either the comics or the games.

I hope this means the games will get a better and more cohesive story/universe from now on, but that's probably wishful thinking.

>>94243038
But does that mean they'll be going with that Two Worlds thing that doesn't really make sense if you consider Sonic Adventure 2?

>>94243049
It's Sonic Adventure that doesn't make much sense with it, not Adventure 2.

>>94243015
I guess similar to what the post Reboot did, it's own universe but sprinkle game locations all over the place

>>94243038
>The comic universe being separate from the game canon probably wasn't very effective at marketing either the comics or the games.
It lasted over 20 years. I think it advertised well enough

>>94243054

I think he's referring to the fact that Gerald based Shadow's appearance on ancient prophetic depictions of Super Sonic that appear in Sonic 3. Sonic game canon is a fucking mess, and I wish Sonic Boom had been a fresh start for the franchise going forward, instead of a spinoff cartoon and a crappy third party video game.

>>94238681
Fuck off. They're better than most of the game characters

>>94243102
>I think he's referring to the fact that Gerald based Shadow's appearance on ancient prophetic depictions of Super Sonic that appear in Sonic 3
That's just a fan theory. The only problem Sonic Adventure 2 brings is how Gerald made Shadow, a creature from Sonic's World, despite being in Human's World. The explanation can simply be, based on how the current Sonic Bible describes it, that he might've easily stumbled on one of the portals between the two worlds- they're apparently numerous, but forbidden by mandate from being referred to in-camera in any product.

The bigger problem is Angel Island being apparently from Human World despite also being where the Echidnas lived, and then the fact the Island moved to Sonic's World. At most we can guess here the Island moves between worlds, and that the Echidnas were a colony or something, but it's absurd that we need to explain this stuff at all.

I've made peace with the two worlds, myself, and accept that setting moving forwards. It's still really unnecessary though.

>>94243128

Honestly I didn't even know there were supposed to be two worlds in the games. I thought he was referring to the "Classic" games being treated as a separate universe.

So you're saying that the world from the Genesis games actually exists in the Modern canon, and there are portals between it and the human world, but they're never referenced or shown? Can this really be considered canon if it's explicitly never shown or talked about?

This is kinda blowing my mind here, I've been a Sonic autist all my life and this is completely new information to me. Was this stuff from '06 or something?

>>94243188
Nah, Iizuka just said his in a random interview like, 2 years ago. He's kinda known now for pissing fans off.

>>94243188
The setting of the games, as per current canon and apparently since at least Unleashed, is that there is a Human world, and a Sonic world, neither of which are Earth, and neither of which are Mobius. Mobius does exist, but is a separate planet altogether, compared to Mars in the Bible. As far as I know it's got nothing in it though, so I don't get the point of it being there.

The idea overall is, if you see a game with humans, it's in the human world, otherwise, it's Sonic's world. How did Sonic go between one and the other? Lots of portals that exist between the two, but musn't ever be shown.

The whole thing basically feels like Iizuka trying to please the "DURRHURR NO HUMANS IN SONIC MOBIUS 5EVA" crowd while trying to not contradict anything already shown, resulting in utter nonsense.

>>94243237

I won't put too much stock in it then. I don't think anyone at Sonic Team really has any idea what they're doing.

>>94243286

Case in point.

>>94228587
Isn't Nicole a hologram? How the hell could she be romantic with something that isn't real?

>>94243331
post reboot, she was made of hard light.

>>94236946
Official stance is that she got a crush on both of them. Slut.

>>94228587
Nevermind this shit /co/ are we finally going to get the rest of lost hedgehog tails?

Its been forever now

>>94240088
Especially not with a game coming out that has creating an OC as it's main selling point.

>>94243396
There's apparently something keep Ian from doing it right now, but he does plan to release it eventually

>>94242957
Explains why his friendship with Sonic is so important to him. He's got a crush on top of it.

>>94233297
To be fair, Sonic Team are dealing with Sonic as a player character. He has to be a bit of a cipher.

>>94243564
Same with Link for Zelda. Though Nintendo has started sneaking in character traits since WW.

>>94238859
The game cast is perfectly fine. There are dozens of characters who can be used to fill any role necessary. You're just desperate for your furry OCs to be included.

>>94239080
Why would the writers not just give the existing characters more depth instead of shoehorning in SatAM OCs?
Are you so autistic you think the characters can't be altered on a whim?
OCs are dead. Let it go.

>>94243469
Has he commented something on the topic of Tales? I haven't heard any updates on that project in a while.

I wonder if IDW comic will have Boom townies, but redesigned to fit regular Sonic universe

>>94243645
Because they literally can't give canon characters more than a little bit of depth due to corporate mandates?

>>94243473

Explains a lot of what he does, really. His sole romantic prospect was Fiona Fox, but she starts dating Sonic, resulting in Tails having an emotional breakdown; ostensibly over Sonic dating his crush, but these could be confused feelings. Sonic dating another fox? That's got to hit closer to home than all the other random floozies hanging off Sonic's nutsack. You could argue that Tails only ever wanted Fiona in the first place because he sees Sonic with so many girls and he figures he should be like that too. I mean, he's still just a kid. You can't really say that his attraction to Fiona was based on legitimate sexual urges. It's puppy-love, and probably largely performative at that.

I think his hero-worship for Sonic is definitely genuine, but there's going to be a period when he starts to mature and realize that he has "other" feelings for his friend. This leads to feelings of angst and confusion as he tries to reconcile his sexual identity with his long-standing friendship. Was he really just in love with Sonic all along? What does it mean if the heroic ideal he lived up to was just the result a dumb, misunderstood crush? Would Sonic reject him as a friend if he knew? Why does he have to feel this way?

Sonic, of course, knew from the very beginning, but didn't want to mess with the feelings of an innocent kid, still unburdened by such harsh realities. They eventually talk it out, and while Sonic can't return his feelings, they come to an even stronger bond knowing that their friendship really was true all along, and something as trivial as sexuality can't ever destroy that.

>>94243645
Holy shit you're dumb.

>>94243664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUhZAL-hLRk
I recall him mentioning it in this podcast. Don't exactly remember where he did though. It's over 2 hours, but I'd say give it a listen if you here Ian talk about the process he went through for the comics

>>94228587
Ian's got a real shit sense for romance in general. Sally and Nicole function more like family considering Nicole literally grew up with and based herself on Sally.

What's with him and incest? First Ice Man, now this.

Last update I recall on LHT, he'd said he had to drop it for now because it could bring legal issues (IE, although he didn't say it clearly, the implication is they were afraid Penders would raise a shitfit).

That I know of, there's been no update since, but presumably with the comic now over, he can in theory post that stuff without legal repercussion, since it'll be overall completely just fanfiction as opposed to fanfiction-by-the-current-head-writer-being-paid-by-Archie.

>>94239675
>the former generally want more developed characters and stories, the latter generally prefer simpler characters and stories like they are in recent games
I take it either simple or overly developed and entangled, the latter never happened and I doubt is even possible within comic format. Middle ground won't do much to me.
>>94243721
Yeah, and Shadow is going to wear hawaiian shirt.

>>94228587
Should have banged Bunnie

>>94245175
She's married.

>>94228945

SEMEN CAN DESTROY PULSEMAN

>>94243127
I actually laughed at the fact you probably believe this.

>>94228587
>Character only becomes a lesbian after their appearance goes to shit.

It's not fair, first Carol, now this.

>>94239273
He's already said he won't. Either it gets published or it's lost forever.

>>94229014
He had a crush on her for all of two pages anyway, and there were already multiple suitors for NICOLE at the time.

>>94233297
Nah, that's just Adventure Sonic (ironically.) Classic Sonic is the ultimate tourist and a bit of an anarchist, while Modern Sonic is a cocky jokester who mostly beats Eggman because he thinks it's fun more than responsibility or thrills. SegaSonic feels like the one with the most complete, least derivative core.

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>>94228587
I hate this for the exact same reason I hate Korrasami, it's out of nowhere and has no real build up. Except unlike Korrasami where Korra and Asami almost never interacted this is using the various interactions Sally and NICOLE had and claiming "subtext". It's the laziest fucking thing and it always bothers me when media turns a long running character guy for no damn reason. Even Spark of Life, which was the most NICOLE focused chapter never read as gay, just close friends, exactly like they always have. I don't hate Ian but that subtext bullshit is just as bad as Penders saying he planned for Rotor to be gay after he left the book. If you want gay characters introduce them, don't take a long time straight character and make them game, or at the least don't half ass it and claim subtext where there is none. I hope that if Ian goes to IDW he drops that shit should the SATam characters return.

>>94246569
Man, people were talking about how gay Sally and Nicole were for each other before Spark of Life even came out, and you can bet the readers picked up on it for that story.

>>94246608
Sally and NICOLE just have to look at each other too long and people will call them gay.

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>>94246569
>getting this mad at something Ian was never gonna bother following up on

>>94243716
The Sonic Boom unnamed villagers fit better in the main series than the SatAM OCs.

>>94246706
It's not just Ian, it's the general idea of just turning characters gay for no reason and with little to no actual attempt at conveying romance.

>>94228587
>Ian pulled a Penders
Knew he was always a shit

>>94246706
That's actually my problem with it. Either go and introduce it or don't bother. Saying this shit after the book was canned feels like a bitch move.

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>>94229014
Eh, can still ship him with the pre-reboot version of her.

>>94247000
You're looking at an out of context quote from 2015

>>94246569
What part of "Ian never said they're gay," do you not get?

>>94231435
Nicole was legit the only reason I read those comics

>>94243286
>The setting of the games, as per current canon and apparently since at least Unleashed, is that there is a Human world,
there is absolutely NOTHING to support this. aside from Sega US dong there own thing with the canon til the Dreamcast and even then it was a one world thing.
since the Dreamcast games its been earch in an unspecified future where animal people exist enough no not be strange and even employed by the government

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>>94228587
Doesn't really matter at all now, seeing as the comics are dead and the characters in them will never appear in any of the games.

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>>94247251
Anon. Did you miss the last few years of SEGA people telling us about the current Sonic Bible?

>>94247207
https://twitter.com/IanFlynnBKC/status/889745270279475200

This part.

>>94247254
The western Sonic fandom is screaming at IDW to keep the Freedom Fighters and all the old Archie crew, and IDW says it's "paying attention"

It wouldn't surprise me if IDW picked up where Archie left off, and considering IDW's propensity for gay, it seems very likely.

>>94247297
Did you also miss the part where everyone knows Ian likes to fuck with the fans? Or did you forget every instance of "knowing smile?"

>>94247302
I would honestly be really disappointed if they continue where Archie Sonic left off. I want a fresh new take on Sonic that doesn't involve the old cartoons.

>>94247333
I'm pretty sure even Flynn knows not to fuck with the shipper tards, and ESPECIALLY not joke around when it comes to anything the gays could take as a hate crime.

>>94233183
Besides that throwaway line about Eggman being from the human world. The whole Shadow arc was a real mess when they were bending over backwards to get it to fit in continuity.

>>94247380
Mail them telling them that. They're listening to the fans after all, aren't they?

>>94247333
Liking to fuck with the fans doesn't make everything he says a joke. He gave no hint to be joking and even followed up on it later stating that blatant isn't the right term when TSSZ brought it up.

https://twitter.com/IanFlynnBKC/status/890993488262832132

>>94247293
thats cool anon but until its actually in the games it doesn't really matter
i mean the old US Bible used to say a whole host of shit that doesn't matter anymore, not to mention that the meaning behind the whole "two worlds" thing is vague as hell. SEGA of US PR says it mean two societies on the same planet while SEGA of EUROPE implied that its two discreet planets.
hell because of the way Japanese works the way its worked could mean its a guideline on how to deign settings and stories! it could mean that a general theme should either be interacting with humans or only with animal people!
but as far as content from the games imply its a single if fantastical world unless otherwise stated (little planet, lost hex, wisp planet). hell Unleashed only seemed to solidify that

>>94247422
I sent them an email saying I hope they will consider bringing back some of the Archie creative team and I'm interested to see a new direction for Sonic in comics.

>>94247447
Mate. These aren't the early 90s anymore. This stuff isn't being made up by the Americans, it's orders from above, from Japan.

You're right in that "until it's actually in the games it doesn't really matter", but that's the whole point- that they won't show how it works in the games because the whole thing is a badly-thought compromise between how the games were made already and "durrhurr sonic can't have humans" from Western fans.

And no, anon. It IS two planets, with portals, etc etc. That much I can tell you.

>>94247517
Good. I need to get along and send them a mail myself- that I hope they consider some of the existing talent already, that if possible they consider reimagining and reusing old characters from other mediums and games, but that despite it all they start fresh and anew instead of chaining themselves to the 20 years of prior comic history.

>>94247613
>that if possible they consider reimagining and reusing old characters from other mediums and games

That's exactly what Archie was doing until it got cancelled.

>>94247613
Yeah, I'm hoping they don't pick up from where Archie stopped, I didn't feel the reboot really worked since it was essentially struggling to reimagine the old continuity despite the Freedom Fighters, dictator-Robotnik and "Mobius" setting being antiquated and unneccessary.

>>94229043
Gemerl basically took Shard's place in the reboot.

>>94247655
I know it was, I just want to add my hat to the pile of "please do it too if you guys are allowed to, mates".

It'll all come down to what contract they negotiate, though. Judging by what Ian said, the only reason they got SatAM and AoSTH for use in the first place is that they kept renewing the same contract made in 1992, which covered they could use both the games and the two upcoming cartoons. If true, then a new contract likely will either not cover anything but the games, or only cover Boom. I hope the likes of Mighty and Honey can still appear, since they're games, but much as I'd love to see even more SatAM and AoSTH shit appear (if well adapted), I doubt we'll get any. Not for the first few years at least, I can imagine them renegotiating later.

>>94247544
i think you're over estimating that value of a production bible and the word of a Japanese man with diarrhea of the mouth

>And no, anon. It IS two planets, with portals, etc etc. That much I can tell you.

what secret knowledge do you have that you aren't sharing

>>94247740
Well no, anon. Considering it's what the games obey (mainline ones at least), I don't think it's overstated to say "the games have to obey this thing". Now the comics, on the other hand, would seem to have more freedom from it, or at least post-reboot Archie did- they were forced to not name the planet Mobius since Mobius is now a completely different thing, but they weren't forced to shove Station Square into a different planet.

>what secret knowledge do you have that you aren't sharing
:^)
not that much, really. at least not related to this.

>>94247411
Ian made it clear that he's not gonna put the two together. In the podcast where he talked about it. He knows it'll piss people off if he did (not just the gays reee people, but also Sonally shippers), but he also knows to not deconfirm it since Sally/Nicole is a popular Sally ship.

>>94247848
what i meant is that apart from rather tight knit crews or ones with a very defined plan moving forward (i.e. Gravity Falls, SU, Voltron) production bibles and the like function as a loose guide line
Take IDW Transformers for example, Simon Furmans original plan was a much more down to earth (literally) Sci Fi series abut a race of mono gendered alien machines with no interaction of greater deities. now the Gender among Cybertronians is revealed to have been a macguffin all along and there are Titans that served Transformer Demi-Gods and religious beliefs are a cause for strife among different groups of these robot people.

that and i still maintain that the "two worlds" thing was more a game guide line than a statement on its setting. its be boneheaded even for the Sonic Series to go "Its been two planets this whole time!" its incongruous and out of the blue.

>>94248203

>a much more down to earth

Furmanism! Take a shot!

>>94248203
>its be boneheaded even for the Sonic Series to go "Its been two planets this whole time!" its incongruous and out of the blue.

Do you remember how Archie tried to adapt Sonic Adventure into the comic? With Station Square being an underground city with 5-fingered Overlanders with a fake sky that looked like a sunny day?

Yeah that was bullshit.

>>94228938
It's not though. Weakest Sonic Universe arc and it was inconsequential in the end anyway outside of giving Nicole her super form. I still liked it though but it was just generally kind of boring and all the mystery and intrigue meant nothing in the end anyways.

>>94248441
>Weakest Sonic Universe arc
Now now, it wasn't great, but the Mobius X Years Later arc was way worse.

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>>94248507
Smug Tails was worth it.

>>94248645
>Tails and Mina hooked up

This will never not be strange as hell to me.

I am waaaaaaay out of the loop.

I heard a rumor that the comic was canned months ago, then it wasn't, now it actually is? The fuck? Did /co/ shit itself?

Why in the flying shit would the series get canned I thought it sold so well for a long time, moreso after Ian took over in 2006. And for gods SAKE, WHY end it just before a milestone of 25 years AND 300 issues?! Like, end it at THAT point not just before! What a kick in the balls. I never would have thought they would have canned this series.

I lost track of the comic book around 2012/2013 ish.

>>94248852
It was unofficially cancelled months ago when it was removed from release listings. After months of speculation the cancellation was officially confirmed, but up until then it was just speculation.

>>94248852
Archie Sonic in cancelled, SEGA and Archie are cutting ties. SEGA and IDW announced a partnership to make Sonic comics for 2018 a few days after. We have no clue what the new book will be like.

>>94248852

tl;dr Sega got tired of Penders' bullshit and gave the license to IDW instead.

>>94248852

It ended in January. They didn't tell the public until a week ago.

>>94248852
SEGA got sick of Archie dragging their asses into lawsuits because Archie wanted to keep selling reprints of preboot issues despite not owning the rights to certain characters & not paying the people who do own them the proper royalties. So SEGA cut ties & is now going with IDW for the comics.

>>94248852
The comic ceased production months ago as (speculation here) the time came to renew the contract and SEGA went "ok, look. You've repeatedly shat the bed, legally, here. We've been dragged to court too often for what was meant to just be a simple licensed comic. We need compensation, here, so please pay more for this license". This dragged for months until they finally felt certain to be able to say "we can't work this out, it's over". It likely also dragged for months because SEGA probably wanted to confirm a licensing with someone else before confirming publicly they were cutting ties with Archie.

>>94248322
and thats exactly my point

>>94248888
So did they can it in the middle of an arc? Were covers drawn up for the next three issues?

>>94248891
Well good luck to Archie, axing their bread and butter. I picture them DED in ten years.

>>94248896
No way he had that much pull! If true, then fuck he should be hunted down and sacked in the face with a Knux fist. I mean shit he brought down the long running comic! One single autistic man.

>>94248926
That is a bitch move.

>>94248932
Hi Ken.

>>94248933
Yeesh. So what happens to Ian and the crew that has been inking and drawing and penciling the book? I mean Ian has to be beyond pissed that this could be Penders doing.

Also, I met Ian for the second time at a local comic con in September last year. I mentioned I fell out with the comic basically due to lack of time (cause lol adult now) and he really promoted that "well get cha back in, we have lots planned and coming up". Made it sound alot of stuff was coming down the pipe. Now....its all gone, at that point, four months later? Wow.

IIRC, I lost touch with the Megaman arc.

Why does everyone nowadays assume that any homosexual relationship is just for the sake of being progressive/virtue signaling/gaining SJW appeal? Why does no one consider maybe there's people who genuinely like or want to see those sorts of relationships and aren't doing it for the social justice brownie points?

> IIRC, I lost touch with the Megaman arc.
Atleast Megaman comic properly ended with an issue kinda looking at the legacy of all games. And it had really cool pictures.

>>94249211

>So did they can it in the middle of an arc? Were covers drawn up for the next three issues?

Part 3 of a 4-part arc.

And part 2 of the 3 part Mega Drive series.

Universe ended its Chaotix arc.

But don't worry, IDW is good about hiring fan favorite talent who have history with their IPs. They know fans want Ian and Tyson back, so they'll probably try to get them. Plus, Ian already works for them on TMTN.

>>94249211
IDW claims to be contacting some fan-favorites for their creative team, so there's a good chance Ian and artists will be coming along.

That said, Ian is likely losing everything he has built up in terms of the world and characters again.

>>94248645
How did Tails when that Mina pussy?

>>94247302
I do think a fresh start is very necessary for a Sonic comic. As for the Freedom Fighters I'm indifferent. They could be removed without a problem but I think it'd be best for everyone if they just took a backseat role instead of being with Sonic all the damn time. They'd just show up occasionally, like Mighty, The Chaotix, and Knuckles do in the reboot.

>>94249308

When Penders decided he should.

>>94248645
This relationship will never ever make sense.

>>94231711
What is this, exactly? Interesting stuff.

>>94248322
yeah exactly
even if "two discreet planets one of humans and the other of animal people" is what the entire franchise has been operating on that fact is is that the games dont really support that.
having that be a thing sould be just as bad as secret-mountain-society

>>94249286
>Part 3 of a 4-part arc.
Wow, that is how one the biggest and longest running comics ends? Like, Sega and Archie should have came to terms to perhaps end the book somewhat properly. Kick in the nads for sure! To be that close to 300...and 25 years...fuck.

>Universe ended its Chaotix arc.
I really liked Universe, what number did it end at? I think I own the first 50 issues.

>Plus, Ian already works for them on TMTN.
Well, tats good.

>>94249299
>That said, Ian is likely losing everything he has built up in terms of the world and characters again.
This poor man, beaten down so many times. He really must love what he does.

Anyone have a link to where the news was broke on /co/ in the archive?

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>>94249211
>So did they can it in the middle of an arc?
Yeah, they were doing stories inspired by the older Sonic games. But I'm glad the comic did at least manage to give an ending to their take on Unleashed. They had been adapting that game's story for quite a while, and finished it just before they started doing these retro comics.

>IIRC, I lost touch with the Megaman arc.
How come? That was some great stuff, I don't see how you could possibly lose interest during that arc. Unless if you're talking about the second Mega Man crossover, in which case I'd understand.

Reminder:
Roboticization is shit. Legionisation is shit. Cyborgs are okay.

>>94249276
a mix of doubting anyone writing anything out of "the norm" out of any genuine want for creativity, and /pol/ tries to push it agenda in every board

>>94249284
i like the one where the X character had a sort of Mega Man Zero esqe look to em

>>94249643
I like that the cards have Chaos and Chip on em

>>94249839
I somehow never noticed that until just now.
I think the middle card's got Solaris.

>>94249276
Because they can't conceive of that being a possibility. Why would anyone WANT to put the gays in anything?

Or they're just cynical, I guess.

>>94249643
Ian once proposed a Sonic Underground story and ending that IIRC was supposed to take place in Universe. It got shelved for whatever reason, I would have loved to have seen that.

>How come? That was some great stuff, I don't see how you could possibly lose interest during that arc. Unless if you're talking about the second Mega Man crossover, in which case I'd understand.
I'll be honest with you, anon. My biggest problem personally, is that I'd buy the comic and kinda shove them into a corner of my room in a "to read later" pile. Meaning, a week or two. But no, I let them build for months, to the point where I was binging on them for a day and then bagging them after because I had taken waaay tooo long. It started to become a chore, plus I was tight on storage space. Eventually, I started missing releases monthly as I got busy with other things in my life. Didn't have time for comics. I already had a hard time keeping up with them, and then I just sorta...petered out, quietly. I bought these comics from 2001 up till...2014ish? (they are all in boxes at my moms), I remember some Megaman crossover stuff happening that I thought was confusing. Now fast forward years later, and...I feel like I have moved on to a different place in life. Meeting someone, moving out, and getting married will do that to ya. I'm in my early 30s now, I've had to put many aspects of childhood behind me as I "grow up".

>>94248645

Even as an adult, Tails gets stuck with Sonic's sloppy seconds.

>>94249990
didnt Hurst last hold the Underground rights before he died?

>>94249914
ah cool, i saw Solaris once then the game crashed as the ending cut scene loaded and i said "fuck it i still beat the game" and never looked back

>>94230428
The only logical reply on this thread.

>you will never fuck your cute computer waifu

>>94250384
No, why would he ever have the Underground rights? He didn't even like working on the show.

>>94247271
>March 2005
>October 2005
The madman was working on the creepy internal skeleton Sally realdoll for quite some time.

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>>94231146
>would you rather fall under dictatorship or find a second girlfriend

>>94239724
These are all the same plot with the only variation being the characters and settings you plug into the formula. Why would you want something so boring instead of a simple continuing story?

>>94239932
>Nostalgia is why you won't let go of them.
You could say exactly the same thing about Sonic himself. These are characters from a video game from the 90s.

>>94240180
The Archie/SatAM characters were only known to North American audiences. Why would Sega include them in a bunch of games for an international audience?

Also you should note that American animated OCs were used in Doctor Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine and the SatAM/Archie characters appear in Sonic Spinball.

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>>94250005

Did Miles ever get love interests that were not Sonic's sloppy seconds?

>>94242833
I really hope IDW is able to do reprints of it the way they did for British Transformers.

>>94252007
Because it works with the games, which people care about. There's nothing wrong with keeping things simple.

>>94252067
The IP is called Sonic the Hedgehog, not Furry Chronicles Featuring Sonic the Hedgehog.

>>94243128
The two worlds thing was not literal.

>>94252478

Reprints are what killed it.

>>94247447
There's no reason to overcomplicate shit by introducing other planets or universes or whatever when we can simply say "Yeah its a world where humans and anthros coexist."

Games without humans take place in animal territory. Games with humans take place in human territory. Any other idea is pointlessly convoluted.

>>94247848
Nothing screams "autism" louder than pulling this "My dad works for Nintendo" bullshit.
You know literally nothing.

>>94248322
And having two separate planets would be equally bullshitty.
Is it really so horribly hard to just imagine the world of Sonic has humans AND animal people in it?
Literally from the first game on the primary conflict is between a human (Robotnik/Eggman) and an animal person (Sonic). From the first game on we see natural environments juxtaposed with urban settings.
Why is it suddenly confusing when the 3D games just continue to show humans and cities?

>>94252527
So what, you're scared that reprinting it again for a new audience will make it more dead?
Fuck off Boco

>>94252481
>Because it works with the games, which people care about. There's nothing wrong with keeping things simple.
A game is a game. You can interact with it, which allows for emergent storytelling. It doesn't need much plot. A comic is a completely different beast.

>The IP is called Sonic the Hedgehog, not Furry Chronicles Featuring Sonic the Hedgehog.
Not a response to what I said.

>>94252672

No, reprinting it will make Penders and Fulop bitch and whine for royalties. Possibly enough for Sega to cancel it again.

>>94252691
Your claim is having nostalgia for Sonic is the same as having nostalgia for the Freedom Fighters. I thought this was a Sonic comic. That argument is null from the start. There's no need for a compelling story, you just don't want to give up twenty years of useless trivia and bloat.

>>94252719
Penders and Fulop have literally nothing to do with Sonic the Comic
What are you even talking about

>>94252757
You're trying to shout down that anon who wants the freedom fighters back by saying he only wants them back because of nostalgia while talking about a comic for a fanbase built on nostalgia.

>>94252757
It's book, not a game you moron. A ongoing comic for is not going to last long with fuck all going on in terms of story

>>94252761

Ohhhh, the UK one you meant.

Yeah, those should be fine. Nevermind.