Well-written comics with bad art become evergreen classics all

>>94197805
>Well-written comics with bad art become evergreen classics all the time
Literally can't think of any.
Also Kingdom Come has "good art" but not good comic book art.

Hush

>>94197805
I can't stand Mark Waid's writing 90% of the time, but Kingdom Come and especially his Flash are the exceptions. Both legit well written comics.

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>>94197805
You just didn't understand it, anon.

I really hate Kingdom Come for taking a shit on so many DC characters and the DC universe for no real reason.

It has almost every bad stereotype I can think of for a DC event.

>>94197887

I'm gonna extend it to "Any title drawn by Jim Lee"

>>94197896
>Kingdom Come
>well written
I think it is well structured thematically and conceptually but the substance isn't really good. It's just characters being foil for the overall message which is just Mark Waid yelling at state of 90s comics.

>>94197924
This. The only likable character is the OC Spectre host.

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>>94197805
Dave McKean's art is 10/10 and I absolutely adore this comic, but I feel Morrison's writing is lacking a bit. Not bad by any means but not top 5 batman comics ever levels of good.

>>94197951
>Jim Lee
>great art

>>94197977
I'm generally not a fan of DC's "Big" comics. They all seem very reactive to me, trying to reshape or recapture as opposed to shape or capture. That or they're just straight up stories about stories, which I don't like much.

>>94197995
>characters have to be likable


I fucking hate this board

>>94197977
>Mark Waid yelling at state of 90s comics.

KC was ghost-written by Waid for Alex Ross.

If anything Waid tried to tone DOWN Ross' crazy silver age wankery.

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>>94198103
But his art is nice

>>94198169
>ghost written
His name is on the cover.

>>94198010
I love Dave's art but he messed up Morrison's vision there.

>>94197805
Kingdom Come isn't badly written. It's a 8/10, I would say.

Now, >>94197887 on the other hand... "Meh" is something that describes how I felt about it.
And I don't even like Lee's art.

>>94198212
He was popular in the 90's a lot of people are still mad about the 90's.

>>94198119
>trying to reshape or recapture as opposed to shape or capture.
Can you give context to this? Because DC there are both kind of DC comics and sometimes some books ended up being both.

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>>94197977
Welp, since nobody else will post it

>>94198142
Admittedly worded that wrong. Meant he was the only one I cared about. Characters dont need to be likable, but I wouldn't give a shit if the entire KC cast died offscreen.

>>94198347
I just read Liefield's X-Force. There is plenty of context for their actions given right there in the book. The idea that superheroes need context for their appearence is laughably stupid.
What a stupid rant.

>>94198296
See
>>94198347

>>94198347
So that's why marvel heroes are fighting each other now.

They need new supervillains.

>>94198169
>Silver Age
KC is silver age in precisely the same way you would be "disco" if you played a BG's album in featureless white room, whilst masturbating.

>>94197805
What about well-written comics with great art?
>>94198010
>Top 5 Batman comics ever
What are they?

>>94198436
>The idea that superheroes need context for their appearance is laughably stupid.

I mean, they do if you want to write something that's more than an excuse to show people being punched through buildings.

Context here implies motivation. A character without motivation isn't a character, they're a prop.

>>94198671
Usually you see in top five lists

> Year One
>Long Halloween or Dark Victory
>DKR
>Killing Joke
>Arkham Asylum

>>94198698
>appearance
What is the context of cap's Buccaneer boots?

>>94198698
I addressed motivation in the part you did not quote. He's talking about their cosutumes.
Dumbass.

>>94198225
Are you this naive or are you just being retarded?

>>94199117
>>94199177
What someone wears is part of the context. Character's should wear things that are appropriate to them. Cap's buccaneer boots evoke late 1700's fashion, appropriate for a US propaganda figure.

There are some cases of classic costumes that I'd describe as inappropriate for the characters; for example, Wolverine's.

I misread your complaint there but I still think that how a character appears should either inform you about them or be informed by their character.

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>>94197805
>it's a "neo-/co/ revisionists brainwash newfags into thinking Waid always sucked because he's turned cuck the last few years" episode

Also fuck you for implying KC is bad. I guarantee if were made today about liberal faggotry ruining comics each and every one of you would be calling in a masterpiece.

Fuck off to Reddit bitch

>>94198010
One can argue that Morrison wrote it around the art, just like Ellis and Shalvey's Moon Knight.

>>94197805
All of Loeb and Sale collaborations
Snyder's Batman. It seems popular enough to be called an evergreen.

>>94198251
>>94198010
Morrison wanted Bolland for the artwork.