Every single fighter in ATLA has a reason for their power level,

Plot convenience.

>>94195390
Wasn't it because of the scrolls she stole?

>>94195390
Having a lot of hands on battle experience. More is learned from real combat than from training. Believe me, things that try to take your life tend to leave a bigger impression than studying/training.

>>94195390
She was not good at the beginning at all and has shown much more aptitude for learning and properly studying than Aang. See the scrolls, for example. She put in the effort to actually learn proper forms while Aang was still fucking around. She wasn't really better than Aang until she learned from the same teacher he did - She just learned better and faster because she's better at learning. Really, she was just teaching him because she was the girl that read one chapter ahead in the text book the whole time.

Just because you're not a "chosen one" doesn't mean you can't be good at it

>>94195407
1. Reading one scroll doesn't make you a masterbender
2. The scroll only had the waterwhip on it.
3. Aang learned the scroll faster than Katara, because that was before they hit the North Pole and the show decided that Aang sucked at learning waterbending while Katara was the best waterbender ever.

>>94195390
Katara was already that strong at the start but had no training. Do you think normal weak waterbenders can crack open an iceberg like that while having a tantrum? It's ridiculous how fast she got better at it but she was always high in powerlevel. Everything else was actually learning to control it.

>>94195390

>Stole and studied rare techniques from a scroll
>Studied with a waterbending master in the Southern Water Tribe
>Was taught the secret bloodbending technique by one of the few bloodbenders in the world

Maybe they dialed her up too much, but she had plenty of special opportunities to git good throughout the series.

>>94195427
And she's the only one with "hands on battle experience"? Also if that turns people into superbenders why isn't every soldier on the level of the Avatar? There has been a hundred year war going on, that's a lot of combat.

>>94195390
Because like Azula, Toph and Aang, Katara was a prodigy too, she was just never provided the environment needed to properly flourish (no teacher and the Fire Nation showing up on occasion to capture any waterbenders meant she couldn't just go out on her own and practice). Once she left the South with Aang she needed to learn how to defend herself with her bending, and quickly. She uses it almost every chance she gets and she practices when they stop for camp. She has her mother dying to specifically protect *her* as a motivation. Also it's implied there was a small time skip before the book 1 finale so once she got herself a proper master to train under it's only natural her talent began to show itself.

From a writing standpoint, Katara needed to be a good waterbender to keep up with the rest of the cast of super powered teens and Aang needed a waterbending master.

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>>94195444
>1. Reading one scroll doesn't make you a masterbender
She wasn't a master, just one step ahead of Aang and therefore in a position to teach him.
>2. The scroll only had the waterwhip on it.
Wrong. It had basic forms.
>3. Aang learned the scroll faster than Katara
Also wrong. He was fucking around with the octopus stance while Katara was learning proper techniques. He could do it faster, but Katara comprehended and mastered the material much faster. You can't properly do shit if you don't know the basics.

>>94195445
>Do you think normal weak waterbenders can crack open an iceberg like that while having a tantrum
Considering mook waterbenders were able to control massive walls of ice? Yeah. Emotions can supercharge bending.

>>94195444
>and the show decided that Aang sucked at learning waterbending
No, Aang just slacked off and didn't take his training seriously which is something that was established before that episode.

>>94195465
When it's just you who can manipulate water, your non-magical brother and a kid who only knows how to bend one out of four elements and you're being chased by a prince with a small army you're gonna have to quickly learn how to utilize your skills.

>>94195447
>Stole and studied rare techniques from a scroll
Reading the water whip off a scroll isn't going to turn you into a waterbending god.
>Studied with a waterbending master in the Southern Water Tribe
Studying under a master for a few months isn't going to turn you into a waterbending master, which was what she was called in first episode of season two. Also she was already capable of giving Pakku a good fight before any training.
>Was taught the secret bloodbending technique by one of the few bloodbenders in the world
She was already Avatar-tier by season 3 and she only used bloodbending one other time in either ATLA or LOK, on a mook.

>>94195575
>make a thread complaining about how unrealistic it is that Katara became so strong in such a short amount of time
>now trying to say she actually isn't all that strong

>>94195491
Aang, Toph and Azula were prodigies who also were trained from birth. They were so powerful because they had the perfect mix of nature and nurture. Katara reaching their level in a couple months is retarded.

>>94195613
It wasn't within a few months it was over the course of a year.

>Aang, Toph and Azula were prodigies who also were trained from birth.
Not true for Toph and Aang was only trained in airbending (and as it's been pointed out he didn't take his training in book 1 seriously).

You've been given numerous good reasons why Katara's development happened so quickly. Nobody is calling it stellar writing but it makes sense given what her bending means to her and the situations she finds herself in. Sorry you missed the "Katara is a mary sue" train by seven years.

>>94195519
>She wasn't a master, just one step ahead of Aang and therefore in a position to teach him.
Aang learned the scroll faster than her.
>Wrong. It had basic forms.
My apologies, I didn't know all you needed to be a Avatar class bender is knowledge even the youngest bending children know.
>octopus stance
Season two. Scroll was season one.

>>94195663
>Aang learned the scroll faster than her.
Yes. Aang /learned/ the scroll first and then started fucking around. Katara kept learning and mastering it.
>My apologies, I didn't know all you needed to be a Avatar class bender is knowledge even the youngest bending children know.
You need to know the basic forms to get anywhere better then 'sucky at best.' This is martial arts. If he doesn't master the basic forms, he can't do shit.
>Season two. Scroll was season one.
My apologies, but season one made a pretty big point of him not taking training seriously.

Again, she wasn't a master - she was just one step ahead of him in his training and therefore in a position to teach him and keep him on track instead of wasting his time fucking around.

>>94195526
>No, Aang just slacked off and didn't take his training seriously which is something that was established before that episode.
That was literally just a plot hole introduced to justify making Katara a better bender than Aang, he learned bending stupidly fast before and he learned bending stupidly fast after. What makes it even more stupid is that Aang being unable to learn waterbending doesn't justify Katara being able to learn it at a Avatar-tier rate.
>When it's just you who can manipulate water, your non-magical brother and a kid who only knows how to bend one out of four elements and you're being chased by a prince with a small army you're gonna have to quickly learn how to utilize your skills.
There are plenty of people in desperate situation in the world of Avatar.

>>94195591
Is Avatar-tier not strong?

>>94195732
>That was literally just a plot hole introduced to justify making Katara a better bender than Aang
Nah he goofed around and tried to speed through his firebending training. The kid didn't want to actually step up to his duties as the Avatar in book 1 so he didn't take his training seriously.

> What makes it even more stupid is that Aang being unable to learn waterbending doesn't justify Katara being able to learn it at a Avatar-tier rate.
Aang didn't learn waterbending before Katara because he didn't have a teacher. Are you stupid or something or do you just not like Katara?

>There are plenty of people in desperate situation in the world of Avatar.
Yeah you're right and just like Katara I bet if they found themselves in situations similar to hers their skills would grow quickly over time.

>>94195647
>It wasn't within a few months it was over the course of a year.
She was already a master bender in book 2, book 1 to book 2 wasn't a year.
>Not true for Toph
Yes true for Toph. Learning bending from animals can make you as powerful or even more powerful than learning it from humans.
>Aang was only trained in airbending
That gave him a solid foundation to train in other martial arts. Plus he's the Avatar and bullshit learning comes with that
> You've been given numerous good reasons why Katara's development happened so quickly
If you call your "good reasons" bad writing that really says what truly think about your bullshit justifications.

>>94195801
Okay so you're just here to try to get a Katara hate thread going.

>>94195713
>Yes. Aang /learned/ the scroll first and then started fucking around. Katara kept learning and mastering it.
Aang had already mastered the techs on the first try and he stayed a better waterbender than Katara up until the show took a 180 at the North Pole. You need to rewatch the show.

>>94195826
What makes you think I hate Katara?

>>94195844
A scroll is not a good replacement for an actual human master. It had been established before that Aang struggled with taking his training seriously. The team needed a competent waterbender. Aang needed a waterbending master who could travel with him. I don't know why you're mad over one more child prodigy who wasn't even obnoxious or overly boastful about her talent who actually was willing to put in the work needed being added to an already fully cast of child prodigies.

>>94195390
do you have no talents whatsoever? have you never tried something for the first time, and found out you are amazing at it and you don't know why?

this shit happens in real life, deal with it

Why is Toph so good despite using an archaic form of bending without any of the centuries of refinement, or even having the opportunity a proper training schedule before joining the group?

Because stories always end up having prodigies for their cast. It's hard to write an interesting story about mediocre people facing mediocre challenges.

>>94196054
>Why is Toph so good despite using an archaic form of bending without any of the centuries of refinement, or even having the opportunity a proper training schedule before joining the group?
Because she uses Earthbending literally 24/7.

>>94196054
Martial arts has always been different. Learning from the original masters is always better than learning a new style. In fact, that kind of feeds into OP's point. Every one Aang learned from was taught directly by the original ___bender except Katara. Toph learned from the original earth benders, he worked with the sky bison, the original air benders, and Zuko learned from both the dragons and the sun. Katara's the only one who didn't learn from the moon.

>>94195895
If every other person you are measured up against also happens to be naturally gifted, then once again training and knowledge of the art become the deciding factors. Unless Katara's talent is so vast compared to literally everbody else that it strains credibility.

Although her skills blossoming so fast may have something to do with waterbending forms being easier to master than others: it's just light Tai Chi moves that even an arthritic grandma could do. If the knack for bending is there, then the physical progression could be fast.

Compare this to other forms of bending that are also physically demanding, especially firebending since it's basically Kung Fu.

Know what's worse than all of this? There is almost no high quality Senna porn. Korra's mom is way too hot to have so little porn and deserves it more than Korra.

The single biggest mistake of Avatar The Last Airbender is in the name. Aang shouldn't have been the last Airbender. Unless you control the entire world genociding a race of flying nomads is impossible, and it would still be pretty hard even if you did rule the world. Starting the war with a genocide means that literally no one should've surrendered to the Fire Nation, I mean the Fire Nation captures all Waterbenders and Earthbenders and sends them to concentration camps. Killing all other benders gets rid of one of the most valuable resources in the world, the Fire Nation is suppose to be a colonial power why don't they have Airbending Janissaries? Earthbending Gurkhas?

>>94195427
By that logic the Fire Nation and Esrth Kingdom soldiers that have years of war experience should all be better fighters than teenagers that are just entering the war

>>94196097
That doesn't mean that she should be a thousand times better fighter than grown ass men that have been using earthbending to fight for years

>>94196661
Actually, that would've been really interesting if Aang had to fight off fire nation airbenders. It probably would've made the narrative a bit complicated for the time they had though.

>>94196661
>>94197386

That bothers me too. A complete genocide of airbenders is not only unrealistic, but robs us from interesting sidestories as well.

>>94196661
>>94197449
I think they went for a full extermination in the event that IF they had killed Aang during the genocide, the next Avatar would never be able to learn Airbending if all the Nomads and Bison were dead.

>>94195390
Paku says it.

Aang has raw power, but Katara is better at understanding what she does. She spent ALL OF HER LIFE hoping to find a master, and once she found one, she dedicated everything that she had to it.

Paku says that she is constantly training and was giving 110% of her under him, while Aang had a lot of talent, but no focus, liking to play around.

>>94196661
The FN exterminated all Airbenders to get rid of the avatar. That is also why their second focus was destroying and imprisoning/killing every water bender of the south pole.

>>94197540
>>94197646
Everybody knows the motivation for genociding the Airbenders, it doesn't make it any less impossible. Also the Fire Nation deciding that the best way to deal with the Avatar is worldwide genocide makes them one of the most evil countries to ever be invented.

Doesn't the show say at some point that she is really hard working when it come to learning?
When they are in the north water tribe, i do recall the master lecturing Aang because is not working seriously, unlike Katara...

Why did Sokka and Katara even know how to read? They're like small tribal nomads.

>>94197853
Airbenders were few in numbers, they attacked their training centers with children at early in the war (first stryke actualy), and spent years making traps to lure the survivors.

>>94199169
Because on their culture they actualy writte things. The people who originaly build the South Water Tribe from the north did read, and thought that it was an useful skill.

Toph and Katara were both implausible really.

I mean Toph has to be the most accomplished character in the entire series. She managed to invent an entire sub-category of bending on her own. The only plausible reason for this was because she had approach bending differently due to her disability, but she can't be the only blind person in the universe to have been an earthbender.

As for Katara, I think it's obvious that her role as Master was sort of shoehorned in. Consider that Aang doesn't even master waterbending in book 1 despite it being called water. I'm pretty sure the writers originally wrote Book 1 with the intention of having Aang and Katara both learn waterbending at the North Pole, but when they started to write the plans to have Aang's earthbending teacher be a new member of the group they decided they wanted Aang's bending teachers to all be member of his group to be a thing. So they tried to have their cake and eat it by writing it so that Aang was too lazy to learn it (yes he's much less mature at this point but the show has always shown him as being somewhat eager to learn new bending so this doesn't make sense, especially considering the entire goal of book 1 was to get him a fucking teacher in the first place) while Katara just suddenly became good enough to teach Aang.

Hell we don't even get an episode showing Aang learning Waterbending, that sort of happened off screen unlike with Earth and Fire.

>>94199192

>Airbenders were few in numbers, they attacked their training centers with children at early in the war (first stryke actualy), and spent years making traps to lure the survivors.

They can simply fly away. It's not like the Fire Nation can follow them everywhere, indefinitely.

>>94195390
Every single one of them was a special prodigy in their bending art:
>Aang was the avatar, and invented his own technique at age 12, and all but mastered the other three arts, plus discovering a forgotten one, in less than a year
>Zuko was a late bloomer that defeated a Fire Commander at his weakest, and in the span of a year managed to close the gap with his even more talented sister
>an untrained Katara broke an iceberg during a fit of anger, then went to the North Pole with her only training being practicing from a scroll, then in a span of a few weeks became a full water bending master
>Toph easily learned to see with the earth as badgermoles did, and easily became a WWEarthbending champion before even joining Aang's group, then went on to discover metalbending by herself
Even Sokka, the designated normalfag of the group, became a sword master after three days of practicing with Paindao.

>>94195390
No.

It's one of those "Don't think about it too hard" moments. Like how the gang took on like a hundred benders guarding the king's palace like it was nothing but then have trouble fighting several individuals.

Sometimes it's just for entertainment purposes.

>>94197322

Yeah, but they weren't fighting a war, they were doing a lot of espionage. They were trying to find a way to decapitate the government, take over, and exert change from the top down. They fought a lot of skirmishes, yes,but that wasn't the main focus. The show had more in common with "The Fugitive" in format than anything else.

>>94199239
>but she can't be the only blind person in the universe to have been an earthbender.

Someone has to be the first; why not her?

>>94199512
>Even Sokka, the designated normalfag of the group, became a sword master after three days of practicing with Paindao.

Yeah, but he's a guy, so his ridiculously fast training is accepted as a common trope of the genre or at least a necessary evil to keep the story flowing. Katara, on the other hand, is a girl so her ridiculously fast training makes her a Mary Sue.


Like how Luke can use the force to guide missiles down a narrow vent to destroy the Death Star while also piloting a starfighter that he had never received training to fly, is no big deal, but Rey using the mind trick on Generic Stormtrooper #007 is simply outrageous.

>>94199512
He didn't become a master. He became not shit at swordfighting. Zuko would still win 1 v 1 in a swordfight.

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>>94195390
She was a prodigy like everyone else (except Zuko), plain and simple. She was able to destroy an iceberg through sheer anger in the first episode and managed to become a waterbending master within a couple of months. Toph and Azula's circumstances may have given them great technique, but it doesn't account for how much raw power they have.
Zuko isn't a prodigy, just a hard worker that literally had the best teachers in the fire nation that weren't Li and Lo.

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>>94199512
>became a sword master after three days of practicing with Paindao.
No, he learned how not immediately get his ass kicked while using a sword. If you didn't notice, Sokka had INCREDIBLY shit form aside from his neutral stance and was using hit-and-run tactics during his entire match with Piandao.

>>94195390
Like the others said it's because she was always practicing. I mean she always had a small bottle of water with her so it's not too far fetched to see her playing around with it every so often.

>>94195390
>The Crossroads of Destiny

A interesting thing that this episode established and most people ignore is that fighting in Avatar wasn't a straight up powerlevel thing

Katara was about to beat Azula when Zuko saved her
Katara was only able to beat Zuko when she had a huge field advantage and the sun was out, and had no problem with her in other situations
Azula could beat Aang, even landed a deadly strike when he was in the Avatar state
Zuko could never defeat Aang once

It was like a rock paper scissors thing, Zuko beats Katara, Katara beats Azula, Azula beats Aang

Katara was shown to have reat potential on episode one by shattering the Icebearg Aang was stuck in episode 1, she just had no one to teach her.

I hate her character, but her fighting skill was completely expected

>>94195390
>gets horribly burnt by Aang

Hey, look, I'm a master healer!

>>94204722
Competitive balance!

>>94195390
>and even at his best he was never able to beat Aang or Azula.
Zuko at his best fought Azula to a draw, and was straight up whooping her when she went crazy.

>>94204722
>Azula could beat Aang, even landed a deadly strike when he was in the Avatar state
Yeah but that was mainly through plot armor.

Every time Aang enters the Avatar state up until that point, he either enters it immediately or spawns hurricanes and shit that make you unable to do anything. Meanwhile, he just floats up in the air like a retard waiting for Azula to hit him with lightning.

>>94195390
I think that proximity to the Avatar most likely pumps up bending abilities beyond their normal levels. Like whichever Tribe the Avatar is born into probably experiences a growth that leads to a power change that would not have happened without an Avatar.

That would explain how Katara (aside from having access to a better range of tutors than her average tribesman), and I think she mentions something about how the benders of her tribe were all males, so she might have had a point to prove (work harder to PROVE she was as good as... blah blah blah).

That said, they never really explore different power levels among benders of the same element. Clearly Azula was not JUST skillful, or Uncle Iroh for that matter (who seemed to be straight up better than anyone besides his niece, dragon-sauce or no.). Toph was most definitely a better Earth Bender than any other (Aang sans-Avatar state (arguably) not included).

I really was hoping that a big reveal of TLA was going to be that Azula was sort of an Anti Bender, where her powers and elements were not the 4 basic ones, but instead were something like Metal/Electricity/Void/Plasma hence her odd colored flames, hence her insane power-level, but they didn't.

>>94197375
Yeah, it does.
Ever hear of how it's like 1000 hours to master something?

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>>94208516
Toph's tremor-sense makes her formidable, but that's not what makes her a powerful bender.

>>94208612
Yeah, it's her using it every second of every day.

>>94195390
I would agree, but wasn't she scared of using her waterbending too much at hone since waterbenders were all taken away? That would be a good enough excuse, seems that everyone learns bending fast after they grasp the basics.

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>>94208631
Seismic Sense is literally just paying attention to something that people usually ignore. An earthbender learning to pay attention to their senses won't make their bending physically stronger the same way me learning to differentiate keys won't make my hearing stronger.

>>94209026
No, but being able to fine tune your hearing to take in and process absolutely everything 24/7 from a very young age would.

>>94209068
That's not how ears work, if you want to listen better you just train to filter everything else out.

>>94208395
I don't think the avatar has any special powers beyond having all elements and access to past lives. Everything else is just them doing their job as an avatar so spirits and people recognize the authority.

>>94208631
You use your hands every day. That doesn't make you an expert boxer.

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>tfw no fire princess wife

>>94208631
You use your tongue every day, that doesn't make you a food connoisseur.

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>>94209379
>implying you're even worthy

>>94209440
More worthy than that beach bum on Ember Island, I'm sure

>>94208631
You use your eyes every day. That doesn't make you an expert marksman.

>>94195390
Katara was a natural prodigy like Azula.
That's why they fight at the end.

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Katara was actually stuck in a groundhog day loop caused by Raava/Vaatu spirit energy shenanigans when Aang awoke from the iceberg. She retained her muscle memory from each time she died but not her conscious memory. The series omitted the thousands of times she was speared, slashed, raped, crushed, and incinirated to death in the three years and change from the first episode to the series finale.

This is the only logical conclusion to be drawn about Katara's OP waterbending mastery and cannot be refuted. You can try to prove me wrong but you will fail.

She trained with the best teacher in the Northern (basically only) water tribe, as well as picking up various unique and largely unknown styles throughout the series (swamp benders, blood benders).
By the end she had more training and experience waterbending than the avatar.

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>>94209506
Lol wut? He was literally the avatar version of Chad, you can't even compare.

>>94209593
>three years
The whole show takes place during nine months.

>>94209648
Except he was a complete daddy's boy who was only popular because of his wealth. He was weak and it showed when he ditched Azula.

>>94209522
Eyes and hearing aren't magic powers, either.
You're a fucking idiot.
If anything, it'd be comparable to training a martial art 24/7, like those asshole monks IRL in monasteries who can get stabbed with spears and it's not an issue because they're training all the time.

>>94209684
Really? Well that cinches it then. Katara is the Full Water Bitch.

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>>94209706
>except
There is no except dummy, you literally can't compete with Chad no matter how much of a douche he is. How out of touch with reality are you?

>>94199239
She was blind AND she learned earthbending from the inventors of tremorsense AND she was treated like a invalid which gave her a massive chip on her shoulder AND she learned how to use bending against others in the earthbending equivalent of wrestling. Being blind doesn't mean shit if you can't learn tremorsense from the Badgermoles, having bending doesn't mean shit if you're not motivated to improve it and being able to train in an environment where you're unlikely to be killed vastly improves your chances of surviving to be a good bender.

>>94209195
Korraverse aside, it always seemed like whichever nation the Avatar was born into at any given time enjoyed a time of heightened prosperity. Seems altogether likely that being around the Avatar imparts something special to the hosts, otherwise the Avatar could be kept under-powered through spite. I mean why would a fire-nation not force the cycle EVERY time so that no other nation could have an Avatar? Avatar Molton III has died? 3 babies will be slayed. All hail Avatar Magmar the first!

>>94206917
>Zuko at his best fought Azula to a draw
They ran at each other and blew each other off of a blimp. That's not much of a fight.
>and was straight up whooping her when she went crazy.
Zuko almost died and Azula didn't get a scratch from the fight. Only in the mind of a Zukofag would that be considered as Zuko whooping her ass.

>>94208954
Katara is literally the only person in the show who learns bending fast after learning the basics other than the Avatar. Every single other bender has had years of training.

>>94209557
A prodigy without training isn't going to be able to beat a prodigy with years of the best training possible, unless they're basically a god. How hard is this for you idiots to understand?

>>94195390
>Azula was a natural prodigy

Ever consider that -maybe- Katara was a prodigy as well?

I mean, look at Azula.

When you take away all the physical stuff, the only difference between her and Zuko is the fact that she produces blue fire. At the end, Zuko was shown to be just as powerful bending wise.

When you take away Bending, there isn't much difference between Azula and Mai or even Ty Lee. Just a lot of jumping around and shit.

The "Skill ceiling" for being a powerful bender is pretty low, its the forms that matter. Look at all the earth benders who could throw massive rocks. Still couldn't defeat a small girl who was never shown to be moving gigantic boulders, because Toph had the advantage of knowing actual Earthbending forms. Katara is shown to take studying very seriously. Its only natural that she becomes exceptional when placed with someone who knows all the proper forms.

>>94195390
Yeah I never did accept how quickly Katara became a master. Did she even have any real feats aside from learning bloodbending?

>>94210227
Zuko was doing fine in the last fight until he had to defend Katara.

And then Katara outsmarted her fine bitch-ass

>>94211348
That's the problem though. Even if they are both prodigies, then Azula has still been training constantly since a very young age. Katara has been getting serious water bending instruction for less than a year. Things don't add up realistically. Of course, I having a hard time coming up with instances where Azula wasn't just wrecking shop on the gAang.
Their last fight is different due to the mental instability of Azula at that point.

>>94212000
In the Crossroads of Destiny fight Katara was manhandling Azula.

>>94212064
Maybe because they were surrounded by water it gave her an advantage.

>>94211979
You didn't say Zuko "was doing fine", you said he was whooping her ass. Which is objectively false.

>>94212117
Aang was surrounded rock, how did that work out for him?

>>94212256
Aang is not that great at Earthbending.
And if the show was being realistic, Earthbending would be OP.

>>94212285
>Aang is not that great at Earthbending.
kys

>>94212466
He isn't. It's the element he has the least affinity for. Toph even mentions in the finale that he's far from mastered it.

>>94212000
Have you stopped to consider the basics taught to you by pokemon and understand that a firebender is going to naturally have a harder time burning stuff when water is flying everywhere?

>>94212734
Nah, cause in Avatar they're explicitly mentioned as being opposites in the wheel by Iroh. So they're more yin and yang than pokemon types.

>>94212790
The pokemon part was sort of a joke but the fact that fire does not react well to water fighting it is still an issue for people using water and fire as primary modes of attack.

>>94202862
>Like how Luke can use the force to guide missiles down a narrow vent to destroy the Death Star while also piloting a starfighter that he had never received training to fly, is no big deal, but Rey using the mind trick on Generic Stormtrooper #007 is simply outrageous.
This is a terrible analogy. Any padawan with a hint of training can nudge shit, but mental domination is and has been shown to be something that only Masters do, usually.

But then, you're just shitposting, so what do I know?

Maybe she's was a natural prodigy, and a very smart girl.

>>94209327
It does if you use your hands to punch every day.

>>94210227
>They ran at each other and blew each other off of a blimp. That's not much of a fight.
It was a 2 minute fight nigga.

>>94212118

>didn't get a scratch
>Zuko was fucking up her shit
Confirmed Azulafag

>>94213343
But Toph using earthbending to see isn't the same as punching every day.

>>94199329

>It's not like the Fire Nation can follow them everywhere, indefinitely.

They can, with their resources and the will to be evil.

My main problem with the plot is the trigger of the war, Sozin motives didn't made sense.

>>94206917
>Zuko at his best fought Azula to a draw
Zuko never fought Azula to a draw in a one on one, ever.
The blimp fight was straight up a loss(both fighters tossed into the air, only one can save themself, the other needed outside help), though he finally managed to fight Azula mostly on par.

He had the advantage during the Finale, but lost because he had to protect Katara.

>>94214439
>The blimp fight was straight up a loss(both fighters tossed into the air, only one can save themself, the other needed outside help)
That's not how fights work (not to mention Azula jamming a hair clip into a cliffside is straight up bullshit)

>>94214499
>That's not how fights work

...What? Both fighters put eachother in the same situation, but whereas one can handle the situation on their own(with her fire jets, hairclip or no she'd have lived), the other one would simply have died because he had no way out of the situation without outside help.

Zuko lost on the blimp.

Why are people so desperate for Zuko to be as good as Azula at firebending? He wasn't, but who gives a fuck. This isn't a shonen tournament arc.

>>94195390
Katara studied and practiced hard, plus she stole ancient scrolls

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>>94214499
>Azula jamming a hair clip into a cliffside is straight up bullshit
Jamming metal spikes into the side of cliffs is literally how people climb mountains.

>>94214568
You're making a few assumptions here.

1) You're assuming that Zuko couldn't bale himself out. We don't really know if he could, but he didn't need to.

2) Falling down somehow is related to their fighting skill.

Those two boxers were going at it when the ring collapsed. One of them crawled out on their own, so I guess that makes them a better boxer.

This isn't Dragonball or some shit. You could argue she's more resourceful, but that doesn't make her a better fighter in that instance.

>>94214573
Zuko caught up and got better at firebending, but Azulafags are just shutting their ears.

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>>94214895
Which are much bigger and stronger than a flimsy metal hair clip.

>>94214896
>Zuko caught up and got better at firebending
No, he didn't. In a fair fight, with a mentally stable Azula she'd win.

>>94214852
>Katara was the only person in ATLA who trained hard
>the scroll was a one of a kind ancient artifact that could give waterbenders power ups
I've never realized just how pathetic Katarafags are. They keep repeated the same retarded arguments over and over, it's like they lack even the slightest bit of creativity.

>>94214939
The Southern Raiders fight was a fair fight with mentally stable Azula, and she couldn't decisively beat Zuko.

Unless you're one of those people who thinks Azula went immediately crazy the instant her friends left her and was only at 10% of her real power.

>>94214993
From what I remember, that fight was very brief, and on top of a blimp. In a proper duel, Zuko would lose.

>>94214928
For a "flimsy metal hair clip" it sure did a good job of holding her up. Maybe you need to rethink how flimsy it was.

But this entire argument is stupid, even if she she didn't have her hair pick she'd still be able to hang onto the side of the cliff, so the scene would play out exactly the same.

>>94215042
The fight was like 3 minutes, which is about average for the length of fights in ATLA.

>>94215051
She needed the hair clip to slow her descent, so who knows if she would have survived without it.

>>94215094
I just checked it, and it was less than 30 seconds. Literally just a few fireblasts before blasting each other off the blimp.

You know what's a massive plot hole in ATLA?

The fire nations policy of "Don't try to kill the avatar, he'll just reincarnate and we'll lose him all over again!".

But they had a plan to use the comet to win the wary within a year. Even if a new avatar were born, it'd take over a decade or possibly even 2 before they were ready to fight the fire nation. They'd have nobody in the world to teach them airbending, and even learning the other 3 elements would be increasingly more difficult as the fire nation continues to conquer, destroy and expand the other 2 nations.

>>94195390
Cause grrl power

>>94217086
It's sad that it took 128 posts for someone to post the real answer.