>Steampunk is used in dozens of works >Meanwhile, Dieselpunk

>>94193077
Is it even more used than cyberpunk?

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Does this nigga count as Dieselpunk?

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>>94193096
seems like anything vaguely futuristic is influenced by cyberpunk, nothing is strictly made as cyberpunk though whereas you can find loads of stuff that is plainly steampunk

>>94193199
looks like it

was that movie sky captain and the world of tomorrow any good? reminds me of that look

Autistic faggots love goggles.

Punk rock is the best type
>The Clash might not be the best band in the world, but they were the most important

>>94193252
Hardcore Punk is better.

Id love to see some biopunk disney. Or just more biopunk in general.

>>94193237
By all accounts it was horrible! Just awful!

I enjoyed the hell out of it. Download it first.

>>94193252
>>94193261
>Not Postpunk
Are you even trying?

>>94193301
>Not Horror Punk

>>94193077
Steampunk is the most well known of the punks, so of course it gets the most stuff.

Is there a Punk themed around the 1930s/Great Depression?

>>94193237
It isn't a good movie, that's for sure, but it's such and absurd show of pulp culture stuff that you gotta love it.

>>94193077
Its popularity among artists because of how flashy and pretty a setting mixing victorian aesthetics and retro-futuristic steampunk technology sounds. I myself like dieselpunk much better, and I hope it becomes a thing in the near /co/ future.

>>94193330
Dieselpunk

>>94193077
most 'steampunk' stuff isn't even punk. they're all about defeating the evil empire over yonder rather than rebelling against your own government

>>94193077
>What makes Steampunk the most used of all punks out there?- 11 posts and 2 image replies shown.
Because it is all style and zero fucking substance the grand majority of the time.
>top hats and cogs and dirigibles!
There is zero notice of any of the actual social commentary that the -punk title would denominate. Cyberpunk plays into the decline of human individuality and rights as governments are subsumed by megacorporations controlling the very limbs on your body. Dieselpunk forces us to come to grips with the reality of our environment as smog clutters massive concrete buildings and recognize the conflict of nature and human development. Hell, atompunk at least gives us commentary about fear of the atom, developing science, and a fearful peace sustained only by MAD. That the behind the white-picket fences lie deeply rooted issues brought to light by an easier world.
Steampunk does fucking nothing and the worst part is that it easily could. It is wasted potential. It could focus on the classes and masses who reap no real benefit from machines but are forced to toil to fuel them. It could be about racial tensions and how different civilizations react to the new development and how the world could change based on who got it and how. Hell, it could even be about not blindly trusting science to save you and be about humanity rivaling the developments, that skill and strength fighting beat out the machines. But no, because steampunk is kept alive by a bunch a fucking reddit faggots who do it only so they can feel like 'gentlemen' by giving their shitty OCs cogs on their fedoras and titles in an aristocracy that should be as bloated and inbred as they are. So instead nearly every steampunk setting is just a fucking powerfantasy so some shitter can feel good when the entire point of a -punk setting is to unsettle the consumer as much as they enjoy it.

>>94193455
>rather than rebelling against your own government
Punk does not necessarily mean you rebel against the government. Punk can be rebelling against any kind of tradition or standard, official or not. A -punk setting will always be about social commentary but the government need not always be the focus. Hell, cyberpunk is the second most popular and has nothing to do with governments proper and only about private companies and organizations subsuming the role of government.

>>94193077
>no solar punkj

>>94193096
Cyberpunk lost all its charm once it became everyday reality for us.

>>94193077

I have an idea for a Dieselpunk videogame I want to make, but it probably won't be around for many years yet.

>>94193495
Now that xenophobic alarmism has actually infected the progressive thoughtsphere I foresee some more punk stories about foreign evil empires puppeting domestic society

>>94193237
>looks like it
>there are people on this board too young to have seen the Rocketeer

christ i'm depressed now...

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>>94194031
I have no idea what you are talking about.

>>94194152
I remember it was one of the first soundtracks I bought on CD.

Steam punk sucks. It's just twats hot gluing copper and tubes to shit

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>>94193077
Like magic, it's different enough from past and present technology to capture people's imagination. We have plenty of computers and engine powered machines but not a lot of giant steam engines and fictional devices like steam rifles.

Also dweebs like the aesthetic of everything brass plated or with unnecessary leather straps and gears randomly attached.

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Oh boy here we go, thread #27942 of 'why I hate steampunk'

Just filter the word you thin-skinned snowflakes

>>94193077
It got popular first I guess. Also I guess it sorta helps it's completely fantasy. Diesel punk might be hard because we still use a lot of diesel technology. So it's just exaggerated modern tech...and leather jackets. I don't even know what biopunk is.

>>94194628
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>>94194622
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>>94194611
>>94194606

>steampunk
>has elves

thats steamphantasy
like shadowrun is cyberphantasy

>>94194674

That's an asinine way to categorize it because the presence or less of fantasy elements has nothing to do with the "-punk"ness of the work. As long as your work has the essence of steampunk it's still steampunk.

>>94194674

Whatever it is it reminds me that I want another Arcanum game. Why the fuck didn't Tim Cain jump on the kickstarter bandwagon?

>>94193326
>tfw you realize that cyberpunk got superseded by steampunk
What happened?

>>94194695
when you consider what punk is
and that its about the disparity in social classes
and the rejects of society.

a cyberpunk adventure may have amazing tech
but a good cyberpunk story wont use deus ex machina to solve the conflicts in the story.

adding fantasy elements to anything punk, adds more danger in resulting to the "oh ill just use this one spell I conveniently seemed to have on me without any sort of explanation" way of solving conflicts.
fantasy elements often lead to mary sueism

I think delineating between stuff with spells and elves versus stuff that isn't is a perfectly sound way of categorizing genres

>>94194718
He works for Obsidian and took part in making Pillars of Eternity.

>>94194718

don't say it anon.

you know any "bandwagon" game is going to be a simplified corruption of the previous source material.

its not that you want another arcanum.
you want another steampunk crpg.

Biopunk is too weird and gross for kids, so you don't see a lot of cartoons with those elements.

And I guess there's too much pollution or some shit in Dieselpunk.

>>94194793

No I want Tim Cain Jason Anderson and Leonard Boyarsky to go all in on another RPG. A steampunk RPG is a shallow as hell concept that would almost inevitably be fucked up by anyone else. I just don't get why those guys haven't even tried to use Kickstarter to get the band back together. If Schaffer can get millions to make broken promises surely they could get enough to make something halfway decent.

>>94194755

The difference between magic and science is absolutely null in stories, you can have deus ex machina with or without spells.

>I have this magical spell that fixes my problem. It's magic, don't ask about it.
>I have this technological supercomputer\gadget\body mod that fixes my problem. It's superadvancedtechnology, don't ask about it.

Also, "punk" as "society's scum" is what punk means in Cyberpunk. The "punk" in "Steampunk" mean "historical cynism". Steampunk looks at the past and points out its hypocrisies, it corrupts past thinking with a modern edge. Often lightheartedly, but not always.

Would biopunk be like GATTACA or is that closer to cyberpunk?

>>94194695

What is the essense of steampunk? What punk elements are in steampunk, if any? All it is, is a silly aesthetic. There are very, very few steampunk settings that actually try to say something beyond le quirky tophats and monocles. What are the social ramifications of steam technology in any of the posts above? None, because its just a dumb excuse to use the same braindead aesthetics.

>>94194864

if the story isn't about the man, and trying to stick it to him. then the story aint punk

>>94194908
Yep. Anything related to genetic engineering or biological body modification generally falls under biopunk

>>94195268
>Anything related to genetic engineering or biological body modification generally falls under biopunk

I usually just congregate that with cyberpunk. They both tend to crop up in the same setting, 80s influenced sci-fi dystopias. Like Batman Beyond's setting is pure cyberpunk but splicing is considered biopunk. I get the point of the distinction but they're two sides of the same coin.

>>94193077
It has a cool aesthetic, so it's a good fit for visual media.
Also it evokes 19th century adventure and sci-fi stories like Lost World and Jules Verne stuff.
For contrast, biopunk is not based on any time period and is just a biological alternative to cyberpunk; and dieselpunk evokes only WW2, which is a very harsh and political time, so unless you're willing to go into politics of fascism, anarchism, colonialism and revolutions, there's no point in even trying.
And politics are hard - Korra tried to do dieselpunk politics and kinda flopped on its face.

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Steam Punk is the result of pic related never having been born. This would have resulted in his engineering never perfecting or allowing others to perfect consistency in mechanical engineering.

>>94195402
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>>94194908
Biopunk IS cyberpunk. It's a subgenre. Steampunk and dieselpunk are completely separate, but biopunk is not.

One could e.g. write a cyberpunk and a biopunk story, both set in the same world, as long as one would focus on robots or AI, and the other story would focus on cloning and genetic engineering etc aspect of the same world.

Another 'splinter' of cyberpunk is nanopunk, based on nanotechnology. Deus Ex games are a good example, particularly first one and Invisible War.

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>>94194908
It's a porn doujin of Naausica, but The Princess Who Loved Insects is one of the best examples of biopunk I can think of

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>>94194628

Steampunk my ass; that's aetherpunk. Check stuff like the Kaladesh setting of MtG, but without all the inclusion and muh diversity.

>>94193464
What kind of social commentary could steampunk bring? The victorian era is entirely dead.

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>>94193077
Presentation.

And yes, the new Kamen Rider's rival is gothic steampunk based in his theme

>>94196009
That doesn't necessarily mean interesting fantastic takes can't be explored or using it as an analogy for modern issues.

>>94195656
Anything like Horihone Saizous works? I've never really been too sure on what counts as biopunk.

>>94193077
Because steampunk is easy.
>slap on some googles and gears and color it vaguely brass shaded
>dadaa you've got steampunk

Stop debating and post more dieselpunk works.

I don't get it, there's barely any movies with steampunk or dieselpunk in it, yet it's decently popular. The closest I can think of is Dishonored for dieselpunk.
Is steampunk really only popular because of art drawn of it?
If not, what are some good steampunk movies

>>94193077
>>Steampunk is used in dozens of works
It really, really hasn't. It's mostly only popular for bad cosplay or internet bullshit.

>not even remotely complete list of high profile cyberpunk works
>video games
Perfect Dark
Deus Ex
Shadowrun
Rez
Syndicate
Einhander
Frozen Synapse
Neotokyo

>film
Blade Runner
Ghost in the Shell
Akira
The Matrix

>music
Neotokyo JSF and GSDF
Deltron 3030
Vangelis
Clint Mansell
Kenji Kawai

>COMPLETE list of major steampunk works
Wild Wild West starring Will Smith

>>94193077
Tumblrpunk seems most popular atm.

>>94196670
There's also Dishonored and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen for steampunk, but cyberpunk has, also:
games - Metal Gear Solid 2, 4 and Revengeance
Transistor
System Shock 2
Shadowrun Returns, Dragonfall, Hong Kong
Cyberpunk 2077 (upcoming)
Tron 2.0
movies - Robocop, Minority Repoort
music - Machinae Supremacy, Perturbator
tv - Mr Robot
So I think cyberpunk wins.

But to be perfectly fair, OP asked about biopunk and dieselpunk. Though I think dieselpunk is more popular than steampunk - there's Fallout, Legend of Korra, Command and Conquer: Red Alert, Wolfenstein: New Order, Sky Captain and World of Tomorrow, and Bioshock.

I think biopunk is the really obscure one, I can't think of any biopunk works outside of Gattaca and Aeon Flux.

>>94196915
I thought Dishonored was Whalepunk.

thank god Wild Wild West bombed so that Steampunk movies never became a thing.

>>94196930
That's a stupid marketing term they made up that doesn't exist. They claim it's completely unique, but it's literally just dieselpunk that uses whale oil for fuel instead of gas. You don't even see a whale in the first one for chrissake.

>>94193077
Dieselpunk is ugly and boring and no one knows how biopunk works.

>>94196624
>what are some good steampunk movies
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
April And The Extraordinary World
The Great Race
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
Mutant Chronicles
Vynález zkázy'
Steamboy

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>>94193199
Nice.

>>94197002
Plenty of old HG wells adaptations

People like Victorian shit because it's a world of optimism without the misery of the 20th century. Dieselpunk comes with the implied horrors of the world wars and biopunk is just /d/-light. Plus autists fucking love goggles.

>>94197002
>Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
He asked for GOOD Steampunk movies.

Not complete and utter fucking dogshit ones.

>>94196959
Actually I think that you see one in distance being carried by whaling ship during the first game, you also get to see one closer during one of its DLCs.

>>94197053
>Plus autists fucking love goggles.
Hey, proper eye safety is no joke.

>>94193077
>tfw lolipunk is a dead genre
feels bad man

>>94197118
>lolipunk
What

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>>94197053
>victorian era
>world of optimism

Sure if you ignore the cholera, smog, 6 year olds working 18 hours a day in factory, non-existent work safety, horrible environmental conditions, political instability, etc.

>>94196915

Fallout is atompunk. That's, you know, pretty fucking obvious.

Remaining in /co/, Atlantis: the Lost Empire has a dieselpunk aesthetic while The Iron Giant is atompunk.

>>94194593
Yes, but why is >>94194593 wearing them? Are any blinding chemicals going to spray out of that umbrella? The only equipment that looks like it's going to spray hazardous shit at you is the backpack, and she's not wearing any thing to protect herself from that, not safety gloves, not a labcoat or even something to protect the baby. Hell, that scarf looks like it's about five seconds from flapping into the machinery and strangling her. She just has goggles because steampunk.

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>>94197142
And that one serial killer they never caught.

>>94197156
meant for >>94197156

>>94197142
I'm talking about the overall tone of society. People believed things were possible, that these issues could and would be solved. You'd never get a Victorian going "well terrorism/crime/poverty is just something we're going to have to learn to live with" like modern politicians.

>>94197156
She has goggles because she's going to be flying and it's not good to get things in your eyes when you're flying. I swear, people pick very weird things to hate for no reason.

>>94197142
Don't forget the near unchecked homicide, prostitution and STIs.

>>94193077
Because people associate steam and steam engines the most with the victorian era

>>94197181
The 1800s were defined by the staunch upper lip philosophy of just living with it.
The only "hope" they had was that it wouldn't get any worse it did

>>94193077
>Dieselpunk and Biopunk
????

>>94197276
Dieselpunk is a genre of speculative fiction taking inspiration from period of 1920s-1940s. That includes concepts from that period like cars, gasoline, common electricity, world war 2 - and turning this into a story and a setting. It will often involve commentary about war, colonialism, or fascism. Good examples of dieselpunk are Dishonored, Comamnd and Conquer: Red Alert, and Legend of Korra.

Biopunk is a subgenre derived from cyberpunk, except when cyberpunk is about robots, hackers, cyborgs and AI - biopunk is about genetic modification, designer babies and cloning. Good example of biopunk is Gattaca.

Both are pretty obscure genres.

Step aside plebs. Sandalpunk is best punk

Also whatever the fuck Bionicle was

>>94197514
>sandalpunk
the only thing this calls to mind is Toobin' for the arcade and maybe Windjammers.

>>94193077

Out of all the "punks", steampunk is the easiest to make kid-friendly, I would say. That's why there's a lot of steampunk-themed kids movies/comics/cartoons. This is contrary to my favored cyberpunk which usually deals with heavy (and sometimes adult) topics.

Also, people have it in their heads that all it takes to be steampunk are cogs, top hats and airships, especially when it comes to cosplay.

That's my two cents. I never really cared much for steampunk as most people care more about the "steam" part than they do the "punk" part.

>>94193077
What is punk about steampunk or diesel punk?
The term cyber punk made sense because it was high tech and low culture, stories set in the future but focusing on criminal characters. Steam punk is just stories set in a Jules Verne esque world.

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>>94193077
Any love for Atompunk?

>>94193077

Can someone make a list of the kinds of 'punks' there are with definitions of each? I'm pretty sure a lot of people here (including me) don't exactly know most of them from a hole in the ground.

>>94194674
>Not knowing that Epves infect everything
They're in everything
Everything
Everything

>>94197390
Would Bioshock count as Dieselpunk?

>>94196959
Huh, I remember it being marketed as Steampunk.

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>>94198120
It's American steampunk instead of victorian, but it's pretty much steampunk if you want to give it a punk at all. Look at the guns if you need help.

>>94194744
Cyberpunk is kind of getting labeled as plain old science fiction I think.

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>>94198181
Vs. - no gears, no tubes, no extraneous bits that aren't just armor. Usually blocky and bulky.

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>>94193199
>Caudron racer and Comets in combat
Wat. Also how do the Rocketeer comics go? I remember reading two really good looking collections or something, but they ended apruptly after they found some guy that was murdering his old gang or something.

I didn't know where to continue after that.

>>94193464
>cogs and tophats
It's a shame because there is a ton of interesting steam engines. Issue is that half the time they don't change the looks of cars or planes or anything because they could be made relatively compact.

>>94198120

BioShock and BioShock 2 are retro-futuristic with biopunk elements (hence the name). BioShock Infinite is steampunk.

>>94194674
Ate you suggesting shadowrun isn't punk?

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>>94193077
Surprised that more people didn't mentioned Korra.

As I have no Korra picture with me, I will just post this.

>>ITT Bio means water

Can anyone post some Biopunk pictures? I don't think google's giving me good examples

I think it just boils down to steampunk having a recognizable color pallet associated with it. Copper, brown, beige, dirty white. It makes it very easy to express.

>>94196670
This is because cyberpunk is an actual genre while steampunk is a tumblr aesthetic without substance

>>94193225
>Avril et le Monde Truqué

My nigger.

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>>94197910
Only if done by the Japanese

>>94197203
>unchecked prostitution
Sounds fine to me!

>>94197053
Pretty much.

>>94197142
Blacks and Moslems are still bitter over the Euros making them do a little decent work. A shame we didn't have something like the Draka to civilize them and make them good for something.

>>94197181
World's Trade Fair used to be THE electronic expo of the time. And they didn't just show electric lamps, they showed cars, engines, blimphs, hot air balloons, all these things we take for granted today were the fucking shit back then. Now all we have is the Zuck announcing new ways for the government to steal our information.

>>94200324
Yeah, Steampunk is much more about the age of invention and discovery. This was back when hypnotism and seances and stuff were thought to be huge scientific breakthroughs by not completely retarded people. People pretty much thought "well, electricity's this practically invisible, magic, awesome force, so what the hell else is out there for us to harness?" The world was still being discovered, and the major military conflicts were all happening in far off lands that added an air of excitement to the thing.

>>94193077
Steampunk is a creative wasteland. Only the fashion and settings are interesting. No steampunk media has ever been anything other than garbage, except The Difference Engine.

>>94199098

>This is because cyberpunk is an actual genre while steampunk is a tumblr aesthetic without substance

"Cyberpunk" as we think of it is culturally dead and has even less relevance then steampunk.

It's an aesthetic idea predicated on people being wrong about literally everything about modern business culture and how we interact with technology.

Steampunk is dumb, but it's been the same level of dumb forever. Cyberpunk is culturally dead, and we're only seeing a vague uptick in content because the nostalgia salesman have moved from the 80's to the 90's.

>>94193252
>not knowing that punk is the most commercially influenced genre
>not listening to bee's in a hollowed out stump and chimes

>>94200324
>A shame we didn't have something like the Draka to civilize them and make them good for something.
In reading that series right now.
Stirlings fetishes are as blatant as ever.

>>94200767
>Cyberpunk" as we think of it is culturally dead and has even less relevance then steampunk.
It's more relevant now than ever before
Cyber punk isn't just an aesthetic it's refers to a type of story, plenty of media that doesn't fit the typical cyberpunk aesthetic fit the genre perfectly, watchdogs for example is cyberpunk

>>94194031
this

anyone who really knows CP knows that the corps have won and there are no hackers left in man

also, fuck SP its complete shit. gluing gears to your gun and hat is stupid shit

>>94194593
im all for mary poppins sporting a huge rack!

>>94200987

>It's more relevant now than ever before

Some of the inherent concepts sure, but not the aesthetic and tropes.

>plenty of media that doesn't fit the typical cyberpunk aesthetic fit the genre perfectly, watchdogs for example is cyberpunk

Watch_Dogs is exactly what I'm talking about, that whole first game is a bunch of dipshit keyboard commando ronin crap and ONE BRAVE WARRIOR CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE fight the man nosnese that no one buys anymore. It's Johnny Mnemonic/Hackers with all the weeb shit and robots taken out.

The only recent cyberpunk story I've seen that actually plays with the tropes in a way that isn't embarrassing is Person of Interest, and it only works because of how low-key it all is.

>>94200918
The Draka novels are a thought experiment where a anti-America arises to prominence. But not only that, it's essentially a spoof on SciFi fads and plot tropes by showing what would happen if the bad guys had all the favoritism. See the disgusting incompetence showcased by the Alliance for Democracy? Look at every stupid decision made by the Galactic Empire, the Dominion, the Cleons, you name it. Good guys are fucking worthless? Look at every Stormtrooper, every redshirt... Christ, every Cardassian.

It even touches on modern day scifi tropes as well. Butch Lesbo super soldier? What is virtually every girl character on TV right now? A sensitive NCO? What is paragon-Commander Shepard? That's the real reason the greased up beards on that incestuous forum hate the Draka. It spoofs all their terrible fanfiction and revels in showcasing that Chad was a better writer after all. I also can't take any person who bitches about GRIMDARK yet praises absolute garbage like Green Antartica seriously.

Also in the face of the Moslem and Black invasion of Europe and how gang rapes happen on the streets daily, covered up by we all know who, I don't find the relatively easy enslavement of Europe implausible.

>>94193495
the government is whoever is doing the governing.

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>>94194031
This

>>94197390
Aaa ok thanks

>>94197390
Biopunk sounds awesome is there any good movies/books/comics/etc about it excluding the ones you just mention

>>94201279
So most off this junk can fit into two smart phones, right?

>>94198706
This

>>94200023
>jap

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What would be a good example of Biopunk? I think I read a kid's fantasy book as a wee lad that had lizards and shit. Then the Axis powers had diesel stuff.

>>94193077
Biopunk is almost always considered a subgenre of cyberpunk. When you get down to it there's not much difference between replacing your arm with a giant robot claw and replacing it with a giant crab claw. They both follow themes of alienation and dehumanization.

Dieselpunk is often overlooked because WW2 is a popular genre, with a period of less than a decade supporting generic World War 2, sci-fi World War 2, Weird War 2, and a smattering of retrofuturism (raygun gothic).

The Victorian era was around ten times longer and absolutely anything vaguely sci-fi produced about it gets lumped into steampunk.

>>94196009
Machinery replacing humanity, industrialization leading to mass unemployment and depression among the working class and creating armies of homeless squatters.

>>94196624
Bioshock is basically a mix of dieselpunk and biopunk and is one of the most highly praised games of the past two decades.

>>94197142
Don't forget the civil war, often considered the first truly modern war were technology outpaced tactics and led to massive numbers of casualties.

>>94202065
>is one of the most highly praised games of the past two decades.

Mostly undeserving praise desu, its gameplay was lackcluster, its story was rather boring outside of that whole you're brainwashed twist, setting while visually interesting felt underutilized. Decent game but far from the greatness that were SS1&2.

>>94202030
so, when do we start with Meme-punk, NEET-punk and the SocMed-punk?

>>94198237
They've been talking about starting up the series again. Cliff vanishes over Nazi Germany and some gal takes up the helmet.

>>94202227
meme punk already exists
thanks kek-istan
shouldn't the middle east countries be pissed?

its ruining the -istan that has been breaking up and reforming countries for the last 70 years!

they might be giants should be pissed the most

>>94196959
>You don't even see a whale in the first one for chrissake.
but that's fucking wrong, u mong
it's literally in the opening sequence when you arrive at Dunwall

>>94201615
About all of it with apps and a few add ons you can probably pick up at Home Depot.

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jack Rose is dieselpunk and it was quiet good

>>94201143
>Butch Lesbo super soldier?
As I started earlier that has a bit more to do with Stirlings fetishes than anything else, all his stories feature at least one character that could be described as a lesbian ninja.
I like the story though for what it's worth

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>>94193464
It seems like you hate the lack of stories that uses the genre to it's advantage more than the genre itself. A problem that can easily be fix with a competent story writer, like you.

Something tells me there is potential in your post, a story of sort.

A grand Steampunk epic?

Would you take the opportunity to make it real?

>>94193241
this man knows what's up. the faggots that ran with their hands behind them didn't die.A steam-punk is the nerd juggalo. creatively bankrupt garbage with gears super-glued on to it.

>>94202231
*sigh

Look. There were amazing black female pilots in WWII. Yes, it was a groundbreaking achievement at the time. And they would make for an awesome Netflix series or movie. But this is The Rocketeer. Cliff's story. He only had one movie. To bring in a legacy now is cutting him off before he really starts flying.

So no. Cliff is the Rocketeer. I don't care if Disney say's otherwise now. I will not be seeing this movie if Cliff isn't going to be front and center.

>>94195656
oh fuck. that one haunts my dick. cant fap to it but I still think its worth reading even in if you're not going to fap to it.

>>94204970
>*sigh

the scum that made steam-punk unbearable posts among us

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>>94193077
Sandalpunk best punk

>>94193077
So, when the fuck is this thing supposed to be released? I's been 2-3 years since it was announced.

>>94193077
Presumably because Steampunk came second, after Cyberpunk. Dieselpunk and the like are natural extensions, and their time will come.

Also, there are some great works of literature, such as the writings of Jules Verne, that are Steampunk. There's lots of great writing that is being mined for Dieselpunk ideas, from Chandler on end to Lovecraft on the other, but nothing that would really fit as Dieselpunk that I can think of until the 70s.

>>94205528
Verne isn't steampunk. He isn't even close. Steampunk has more in common with Dickens than with Verne.

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A steampunk anime is currently AOTS. Why isn't there any good /co/ steampunk cartoons? The closest I know is Modifyers and it didn't even get greenlit.

>>94193077
What happened to that show?

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For dieselpunk, should I just watch this movie? I've always wanted to.

I wish dieselpunk were more popular than it is.

Of all the smaller subcultures out there, Steampunk is by far the worst. Also,
>anything Art Deco
>Steampunk faggots: OMG steampunk!
>anything victorian
>Steampunk faggots: OMG steampunk!
>anything deiselpunk
>Steampunk faggots: OMG steampunk!
>anything dealing with clockwork
>Steampunk faggots: OMG steampunk!
>Bioshock
>Steampunk faggots: OMG steampunk!

>>94207653
What I hate about Steampunk is that it somehow attracted the normie crowd of 'nerds' who aren't even that nerdy but love the aesthetic and love sticking it into anything. They're like Whovians or Star Wars fans.

>>94207705
I've met people who've said Dr. Who is steampunk. I shit you not.

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>>94207793
>I've met people who've said Dr. Who is steampunk.

>>94207705
My biggest issue with steampunk is that no one actually does anything with the core concept (the steam engine hyper developed into a retro-futuristic sci-fi world) and basically just uses it as an excuse to wear glue gears and pipes to a top hat or a laptop (yeah, because you could totally make a laptop that functions purely on steam).

Seriously, why the fuck would anyone wear gears and pipes? Does anyone today wear fucking motherboards and USB cables on their normal, everyday clothing?

>>94208028
Ever how most steampunk shit never has anything to do with machinery powered by steam? It's always clockwork.

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>>94208064
That or "muh Nicolas Tesla"

Also, why would all the clockwork be on the outside of the mechanism? Generally speaking people build shells around delicate parts required to run a machine even back in Victorian times

>>94208164
When it comes to things like steampunk, asthetics supersede practicality and logic.

>>94208028
Just glue some gears on it...

But yeah, steampunk is shit from what I've read/seen/whatever because it's only really done for the aesthetics. There's hardly ever any real 'point' to it like there is with cyberpunk.

Then again, I like dieselpunk for the aesthetics so maybe I'm just stupid and can't think of a better reason why it's shit.

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>>94208028
>>94208064
>>94208164
Gears look cool okay.

>>94197118
>Another lolipunker on /co/
WTF?

>>94207793
I completely believe you, because that is nowhere near the dumbest thing I've heard someone say about Dr Who. I've also met people who think that Dr Who is really obscure, and I've seen at least one person on /co/ try to claim that.

>>94208588
The problem is unlike cyberpunk there's no theme the steampunk is generally linked with, only a setting.

>>94197118
Gonna need an example of lolipunk

>>94193077
And also biopunk

>>94208028
I've got a keychain that clips to my jeans with a flashdrive on it. And people wear watches that work like cellphones and treat headphones, earbuds, and bluetooth as accessories that go in their hears or on their person somewhere.

Random ass gears aren't as functional as this and are indeed silly and pointless, but my point is that if you're looking for modern technology that's been incorporated as clothing in the real world (or a believable fictional world), it'll be something you (or a denizen of said fictional world) won't notice because it is practical and normalized. The problem with shitty steampunk is when there's too much silly fluff that is in no way useful.

>>94193390
>>94193277

all of you can eat it, that movie rules so goddamn hard

>see it in theaters
>groups of people walk out in the first 10 minutes

I still don't understand why so many people hate it

it's a goddamn rip roaring adventure

>>94210207
That isn't really a decent comparison because those are all practical objects to carry around, the Victorian equivalent would be stuff like pocket watches, pocket knives, a music box, etc.

Like I said, no one walks around with a hard drive taped to their baseball cap

>>94201706
You're thinking of the Leviathan steam/biopunk book series. The Windup Girl is the best example I can think of for biopunk.

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>>94210207
>>94210346
I think this might be a better comparison.
I assume these zippers are useless though, those could be pockets I guess.

>>94207793
>>94207871
Doctor Who, by virtue of multiple decades on air and taking from a variety of aesthetic sources, frequently dips into steampunk territory. As a whole it's not steampunk, but individual episodes might be.

>>94208588
Dieselpunk also covers or overlaps with a good half dozen genres; it is not so much a genre in itself as it is a categorization or reinterpretation of a good chunk of first-half 20th century speculative and weird fiction.

Cyberpunk is also heavily aesthetics only, Blade Runner is basically a dystopic version of an Asimov Robot story, and the "points" it usually makes are regurgitation of themes from earlier cyberpunk works, most of which don't actually make much sense anymore except in broad strokes.

>>94210207
Think about every retarded fashion trend and tell me that sticking gears on a corset or non-functional goggles on a tophat is any different.

>>94210346
>the Victorian equivalent would be stuff like pocket watches, pocket knives, a music box, etc.

Yes and those are all valid accessories in (less terrible) steampunk. If you want to make it extra unique, encase your pocketwatch or music box in glass so the gears or workings are visible, slap a magnifying glass on your spectacles (if you for some reason have use for a magnifying glass), upgrade to a swiss army knife that you can pretend was invented a little early and put some extra unusual (but handy) doodads on it. None of this directly relates to steam by the way, but that's mostly because I'm not an expert on this stuff and don't know shit about steam engines. But my point is, badly done steampunk (aka most of what you see) is horribly cluttered and clunky and most importantly serves no practical purpose outside of aesthetic. It can be greatly improved when you apply either some form of practicality or at least some reasoning behind the evolution of the fashion behind the extra accoutrements. Especially if you're using the look to tell a story, say, like one set in a fictional steampunk world. It gets more believable if it makes sense. Dumb useless gears are bad because they don't make sense. Where would they have come from? Whose idea was it to adopt them? Why would it catch on? Aren't they terribly cumbersome? Those kinds of questions need answers if you're going to do it.

>>94210626
>Think about every retarded fashion trend and tell me that sticking gears on a corset or non-functional goggles on a tophat is any different.
Those fashions still come from somewhere. Victorian times still have silly dumb fashions you can use like dumb ruffs, or the bustle, or vests (they keep your shirt clean), or heels (keep your pantleg out of the muck), but they came from somewhere. Our fashions come from places too, they're just further along on the evolutionary chain and more often sprung from a need to sell mass produced shit.

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>>94201706
>Leviathan will never get anything

>>94209886
If you go back to the founding of the genre (The Difference Engine), you'll find that the themes of steampunk are very similar to the themes of cyberpunk. While many of cyberpunk's original tenants have fallen out (sovereign governments are more powerful than ever), they translate very well to the Victorian period, when corporations did own private armies, fight wars against nation-states, and commit genocide for profit. Unfortunately the original Dickensian influences have been lost in favor of neckbeards in tophats and m'lardies in corsets.

>>94210626
Why would fashion conscious Victorians put gears on their clothing? Gears are for crushing child laborers in your mills, not sullying your silk shirt with industrial grime.

>>94211499
Steampunk predates The Difference Engine by at least a decade. The Difference Engine is basically Gibson and Sterling pointing out that the Victorian Era was more or less cyberpunk. Early steampunk tends to lean more fantastical or pastiche than later steampunk. The Difference Engine might have popularized steampunk within literary circles, but Victorian science fiction has been a mainstay of visual mediums since the early 20th century. The actual popular aesthetics have more to do with the 90s/00s Goth scene than anything else.

>>94211571
Because it's the latest from Paris.

>>94196915
Fallout is 100% atompunk.

I think Bioshock would be biopunk, though. Since most of the science fiction aspects are focused on genetics and DNA. Infinite doesn't count.

>>94211943
Except for the giant city built under the ocean by industrialists, which is a pretty large aspect of the game. Is the concept of mixed-genre that difficult to understand.

>>94211834
If you replace Gibson's The Difference Engine (1990) with Moorcock's The Warlord of the Air (1971) the point remains the same.