Would this show get less hate if Steven wasn't in the show

Relatedly, would it get less hate if Steven was a cute girl who otherwise acted identically?

>>94180440
No, it would get different hate.

>>94180440
Reminder SU was in the Snyder era, if it was an all-girl show, it wouldn't last as long.

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>>94180440
>>94180483
Verily, if Steven took some shonen cues and grew a backbone while still being caring, I'd like him and the show better. He doesn't need to be an Ed Elric, but give the kid a fuse, at least

>>94180440

But who would replace Steven as the human that brings them together/makes them more understanding?

>>94180600
Greg?

>>94180483

Probably.
The whole "doesn't age because he's emotionally an eight year old despite being 14" thing, might be slightly less annoying if he was a girl.

>>94180625

I guess, but Pearl would hate on Greg all the time so it would end up ruining the understanding dynamic.

>>94180483
So he'd be Mabel with magic powers, essentially?

I just want more interaction and banter with the gems

I don't even care about the off-model shit, just give me the gems acting like a dysfunctional family

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>>94180440
No it would get less hate if Steven changed through the seasons.

Hell look at Rebels. Ezra gets older, get scars, changes his hairstyle, and matures as a character.

Steven can now jump good and cries more often. There is so much wasted potential
>Learning more about his mom can harden him, make him doubt his own convictions
>Make him double in on himself and hone his skills when the others aren't looking
>Take it upon himself to protect everyone, and be so forceful even the Crystal gems are afraid of him

>>94180778
Naw. Mabel is an egocentric moron who goes nowhere in terms of growing up and is never taking responsibility. Steven is, while childish, turning into a capable leader and understanding emotional core of the team.
Mabel caused the apocalypse by being selfish. Steven talked a doomsday device out of exploding Earth and turned himself in to the enemy in order to shield his friends.

>>94180951
So would Star be a more fitting comparison to this hypothetical female Steven?

>>94180440
Here is your daily Two Minutes Hate, /co/

The show would get less hate if every third episode didn't look like complete shit.

If they just stayed on model and stop looking like every 2nd episode is a porn parody maybe people would not complain so much.

>>94180483
Well, women are expected to act like morons, so why not?

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>>94180440
It would get less hate if you stopped making "would this show get less hate if X" threads.

>>94181051
This is my first, though.

>>94180819
I don't think you want Steven to grow up, you want him to turn Sith.
If you think Steven is chipper all the time because he's a dolt, you haven't seen Storm in the Room or Mindful Education. He is acting happy to improve group cohesion and protect his family from his inner turmoil.
Connie is the only one who has yet seen into his mindscape and was terrified by the daemons that haunt him, the guilt he loads unto himself.

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>>94180440
No.

However, it WOULD be better if Steven wasn't in the show at all and it was just 70's Anime Space Pirate Lars and his ragtag crew of off-colors trekking across the galaxy kicking evil Gem ass.

>>94180984
More like Moon. If Moon wasn't regal and condescending.

>>94181017

ah yes, lets return to the filmation and dic golden age of animation

How to fix steven universe

>all episodes last 22 mintues instead of 11 minutes
>less melodrama from all characters

>>94180440
No one sane wants to watch a show about a bunch of lesbian rocks, unless maybe they're having sex on screen.

No.
It would be less hated if Reblacked had her crew in check instead of letting them do whatever they want with the characters.

>last Steven thread gets archived
>another one is made
IT NEVER ENDS

>>94180440
no, there is no way to make the show less hated, since most of the hatred just comes from contrarians who hate the show for being popular in the first place

>>94180440
I think the show would get less hate if it was the "No Room for Greg" prequel to Steven Universe.

>>94181286
The ironic part is /co/ blames Steven for crying too much, yet thats what /co/ does 24/7

>>94181091
Except it isn't consistent. One episode, he's conflicted by his guilt, the next he's happy go lucky, doing stupid shit in a filler episode.

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>>94181220
Two of them are having sex onscreen constantly though.

>>94180440
Steven's like the best character though .

>>94181286
Oh God
Not an entire thread
The horror

>>94181174
You mean professional and to standard

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>>94180440
Probably. Steven is such a shit MC.

>>94181347
Why do they go on and on about him crying at the slightest thing. Last time I remembered that he cried in pure angst (not at Lars' death because his tears can bring back the dead) was when he realized that he couldn't come to terms of him poofing Bismuth, unable to save Jasper and that one Ruby goon, and the realization that his mom is a war criminal who ended up starting a war.

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>>94181472
Well he's supposed to man up guise!!

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>>94181472
It pisses me the fuck off that they're going to backpedal on Steven's mom being a war criminal, completely erasing the importance of Steven coming to terms that his mother wasn't a good person because it turns out it was all a fucking lie! This show fucking sucks. I guess they realized that they couldn't make Rose a good person when she's objectively a murderer and a criminal.

>they are going to ruin Lars just so he can go back to Beach City
>they show Lars of the Stars but will never show his progression to that point.

they finally make a male character not shit for a while and I already know it is going to get wasted.

>>94181472
Because he does it so much. Doesn't matter what the why is.

>>94181472
>Why do they go on and on about him crying at the slightest thing.
Cause /co/ really wants to hate SU, yet can't really figure out a way to approach it. So it resorts to "he cries a lot", "SJWs" etc.

>>94181134
>i have no ideas for my show, AGAIN
>i'll just steal shit from that animu i saw when i was young, AGAIN
just another hard day of work of a storyboarder

>>94180440
Yes, and also way less attention

>>94180721
>>94180819
I'm never going to not be disappointed they didn't use that birthday episode as an excuse to age him up like the promotional material had left people thinking it would.

They went out of their way to establish that he has magical powers that allow him to physically age at the rate that he mentally and emotionally ages. But then they give him a whole bunch of development but refuse to allow him to visibly change. I'm certain that at this point his design is still childish because that look is more marketable, and they're letting that directly contradict the development he's had and the rules that they themselves set down. If anything they're using this power as a bullshit excuse to keep him stagnating in the same 8 year old design indefinitely while time passes in the show, which sucks.

>>94181589
There's actual reasons why the show is bad. For example, all the interesting shit constantly happens off screen or is alluded to having happened. All the "big and exciting shit" is just revelations about the past. Like that court episode that everybody liked so fucking much. All it did was hint that somebody might have lied about an event that happened thousands of years ago. And Lars? Couldn't make him a good character without completely developing his character OFF SCREEN because they couldn't figure out how to do it organically in a way that makes sense. And the show is so damn split on what it wants to be. Is it slice of life? Is it action? Is it a space opera? They just don't know how to focus and this makes the story progression feel really fucking irregular because right when you think things will pick up the story just screeches to a fucking halt. It's bullshit.

>>94181538
The only way they can redeem this plot twist of Rose being framed is for Pearl to be Pink Diamond's murderer.

>>94180440
Only waifufags would say yes.

>>94181732
And people who really hate fat ugly children.

>>94181709
Well said anon

>>94181709
This. I want more people like you anon.

>>94180440
Yes but the show would be shit as a result. Like always /co/ thinks they can fix a show's problems but they don't even know what they are.

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>>94181709
This is what you do when you realize that the internet community could hype up anything with only scraps for fuel. Just tell them something cool might have happened, show that it might have happened, and watch how people would praise it. Just look at Dark Souls.

>>94181899
>you just hate it for no reason!
>anon gives reasons
>THAT DOESN'T COUNT
c l a s s y

>>94181777
>ugly
It's a cartoon, you autist.

>>94181709
>For example, all the interesting shit constantly happens off screen or is alluded to having happened. All the "big and exciting shit" is just revelations about the past
Yeah remember that flashback where Steven confronted the diamonds escaped from their grasp met gems living as outcasts Lars died and came back and they discovered his hair functions as a portal just like Lion's.
Or that time Steven and the gems were kidnapped by Peridot and Jasper but then suddenly they were back on Earth and they just explained how they got back to earth instead of showing it.
Fucking SU all it is is flash backs.

>>94181985
>anon cherry picks all bad aspects
>completely ignores all the good ones
>claims the show is shit
c l a s s y

>>94182005
An ugly cartoon you double autist.

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>>94182032
>all the good ones

>>94182032
Why would he pick good aspects if he wants to say that the show is bad?

>>94182100
Because several bad aspects don't make a show complete shit.

>>94182032
>All the good aspects
*crickets*
Good aspects such as what, anon?

>>94181375
>you have to be angsty and brooding all the time to mature

>>94182238
So he's just pretending to be dark and mature, just like he did with his girlfriend when he said he doesn't want to see her anymore. He's actually an idiot.

>>94181709
>Like that court episode that everybody liked so fucking much. All it did was hint that somebody might have lied about an event that happened thousands of years ago.

Because it would have ruined the twist if they did?

>>94180440
The writing wouldn't be any better, just different.

>>94182238

It's about having a consistent personality. You can't expect people to care when he's really hurt if he's not going to show any effects of it come next episode

>>94182427
Let's play a fun game, name a specific show that you think has better writing than Steven Universe.

>>94182483
I can't tbqh. Most western cartoons have really low tier writing.

>>94182574
Alright then, name ANYTHING with perfect writing.

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Its yet another "Why is Steven so fat and crying thread"
Do you fags have anything better to do?

>>94182446
>It's about having a consistent personality.

Except he does have one. You guys seem to think a personality is one emotion no matter the situation. When things are normal he is happy and silly, when shit gets serious he does. And during it all Steven tries to be empathetic and to help others.

>>94182648
God damn that pic is horrifying

>>94182606
IMO Vampire: the Masquerade - Bloodlines

>>94182321
If he's an idiot for not knowing how to handle exposing her to gem antics after seeing his father almost a heart attack, I guess so.

>>94182648
>It's a traced Junji Ito image
No.
>>94182686
I would like to agree but it's fucking unfinished.

>>94182019
The trial episode was mostly Steven sitting around with no plan whining, "I'M ROSE!" over and over. The only thing that made that episode interesting with Zircon confronting the Diamonds. Him escaping in the most limp-wristed way just made the Diamonds look incompetent as fuck.

Them escaping the gem droids was fine, but Lars death scene was really fucking flaccid. It could've been played up a bit more or at least giving us at least 30 seconds longer to actually THINK he's dead rather than dead -- ALIVE! in ten seconds flat.

Then all they did for the remainder of the episode was spend 10 minutes talking about how he has lion's powers now. The execution wasn't nearly as interesting as the idea.

And Jailbreak is consistently held up as one of the best episodes of SU and people wish more episodes were like it. And the fact that you have to go all the way back to SEASON ONE to try to prove a point when we're on fucking season five by now shows how absolutely lackluster this show has become.

>>94181472
>>94181508

It's a cry wolf scenario. Steven has cried over so much fucking petty shit in the past that when he cries over something legitimately worth crying about people are so fed up with it that they just want him to shut the fuck up.

>>94182483
gurren lagann, Little Witch Academia, Ed Edd N Eddy, Batman the Animated Series, Megas XLR, Yu Yu Hakusho, X-Men Evolution.

These are just the first shows that come to mind that I think are perfect. I didn't know if you wanted me to stick with western shows or not so I tried to split it 50/50.

>>94182731
Another thing that bothers me about the news Lars is the fact that he's pink now. Call it shallow, but Pink is just such an uncool and none threatening color. Lars is going to be stuck looking that forever. If I was him I'd wish for death.

>>94181985
>spends countless years and threads hating the show for stupid nonsensical reasons
>"Well here's some more reasons!"
>says things that aren't true
Most of that paragraphs is accusing the show of "never" doing things that it actually does, such as having major exciting events or showing Lars' development onscreen.

And while it might make you feel smug and defended now, we both know it's not going to stop the "it's a bad show because Social Justice Monsters want us all to be fat stupid emasculated faggots and cry all the time because they think crying solves every problem" hate thread assembly line from starting right back up the instant this thread is out of sight. And that's not going to stop people from posting another defensive attack when they're called out on their bullshit, either.

>>94182718
Any other character would have handled it in a less immature manner.

>>94182862
You stubborn Stevenspergs are worse than the horsemen fuckers.

>>94182862
>such as having major exciting events or showing Lars' development onscreen.
Because that doesn't happen. He reverts back to a whiny bitch in every episode he starred in. In fact, prior to him turning pink, he was shitting his pants at the mere sight of Topaz and ditched his girlfriend.

Then through the power of bad writing, he became a selfless hero who is capable of stealing ships from high-tech aliens. He even apparently was successful in a stealth mission where he stole the "clothes" off of a light-construct even though clothes are attached to gems bodies, but hey, anything to make Lars look cooler I guess.

As someone who doesnt watch the show, but lurks these threads, I have to say that I would probably watch this show if It explored is sci fi concepts a bit more. I hear this show is a LOT of character drama, which is the part of recent cartoons that I tend to hate.

>>94180565
I agree with this. Make him grow some balls. Take the fight to the enemy, shit on Lars when he's being a shit.

>>94182731
>SEASON ONE
How about the entire Cluster arc? That happened onscreen. The only thing that was relegated to historical allusions like you complained about is the thing being put in the planet in the first place, and we still actually got to see it.

>>94181899
And here we have someone without knowing the different between criticism and shitposting

>>94182935
I hear this show is a LOT of character drama
Yeah, that's about right

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>>94182917
>Lars looks brave and heroic now
>once he gets back to town he'll revert back to the old selfish and pathetic Lars
That would be fucking hilarious.

>>94182731
>made the Diamonds look incompetent as fuck.

I never thought they were that competent to begin with. Their subjects treat them like gods, they rely on Sapphires to tell them what to do, and it is fuck easy to make a gem to defect.

>>94182892
Many other characters would have handled that situation worse.

See? I can do it too.

>>94183035
Makes me wonder why their subjects treat them like gods when they're so shit at their jobs. Surely their propaganda department can't be THAT good.

>>94182917
>capable of stealing ships from high-tech aliens. He even apparently was successful in a stealth mission where he stole the "clothes" off of a light-construct even though clothes are attached to gems bodies, but hey, anything to make Lars look cooler I guess.

When did this happen?

>>94182956
The Cluster arc is the most infamous of the series for being super anti-climatic. I can't say nothing happened off-screen because nothing happened at all. All the episodes where they were building the drill was background noise for plots like Peridot recording logs on a tape recorder or Garnet telling her backstory about how Ruby and Sapphire met. Didn't they even take a break from building the drill so Steven can celebrate his birthday?

There were very little plots or problems with building the drill itself. Hell, aside from Pearl and Peridot arguing, production went along quite swimmingly. And all that time spent building up the Cluster only for it to get resolved with a VERY boring conversation between Steven and it. And I'm not saying it should've awoken and destroyed the planet, but fuck, the dialogue and visuals could've been a hundred times better. Some of the best scenes in newest Jack were him talking to his Hallucination. Steven just whined about his head hurting and then suggested that Cluster should bubble itself and it ended all their problems.

And seasons later, we're still waiting for that shit to come back and be relevant.

>>94182917
>Because that doesn't happen.
It does, and it happens onscreen. Lars' character development has its ups and downs, because he has a stubborn personality and has difficulty changing, but it does happen, and it does have payoff.

>muh offscreen space pirate
Again, cherrypicking. There is one instance where his character changed radically offscreen, which is played as a joke, but that doesn't nullify all the time he spent in the previous episodes learning to stand up for himself and the people he cares about. And no, the fact that it was hard for him doesn't nullify it either; if he never really learned the lesson, that might be a point, but he did.

We saw it.

Onscreen.

Before the sudden shift you mentioned.

Which technically hasn't happened yet outside of leaks.

>>94183108
>Makes me wonder why their subjects treat them like gods

Cause they created them, it's only until someone makes them question that is when it falls apart.

>>94183135
>There is one instance where his character changed radically offscreen
Because no one changes at all. Amy still has episodes about feeling inferior. Pearl still can't get over Rose. Even though the gems change their clothes, their personalities keep reverting back to status quo.

And even if it's just "one" instance, it's one instance that is playing a major part in the story.

>which is played as a joke
That's even worse.

>but that doesn't nullify all the time he spent in the previous episodes learning to stand up for himself and the people he cares about
Just because he gave speeches at the end of his episodes doesn't mean he changed, because he was going through the same character arc in every episode he was in. It's Seth MacFarlane levels of "Character learns their lesson".

>Which technically hasn't happened yet outside of leaks.
That's insanely stupid.

>>94183125
>And seasons later, we're still waiting for that shit to come back and be relevant.

I'm not, it's resolved to me.

>>94183125
>The Cluster arc is the most infamous of the series for being super anti-climatic.
It's one of the most exaggerated because people either thought the ending was a deus ex machina (it wasn't), wanted it to be edgier (which would make less sense than what we got), or thought that the solution took up too little screentime and should have been harder. Admittedly, a longer and more elaborate version of the Cluster dream sequence would have helped, but there's also all the other things that happened in the arc and the arcs leading up to it. Peridot's character development, for one.

>There were very little plots or problems with building the drill itself.
Well, there's not much to elaborate on there. They want a drill and they need to build it, so they spend a while building it. You could go into the technical details, but that wouldn't make for very exciting episodes.

>>94183108
They're huge and powerful. That's pretty much all they need.

>>94183236
But did they though? It seems like it's really just a bunch of machinery that creates gems. Doesn't really seem like the Diamonds factor all that much into the equation. What exactly do they even do? Like, what is their job?

>>94183293
What exactly do they even do? Like, what is their job?
>crying
>getting angry
>taking 150 episodes to do something of use

>>94183293
Someone had to make and direct the machines. Just because they don't do it by reproduction or budding, doesn't mean they're not their creators. Like a scientist in a lab can create life with the right tools.

>>94183386
But are you sure that they were the first though? Could have been anybody to be honest. Maybe the Diamonds are just the biggest and the most powerful. Doesn't mean they're the originals.

>>94183386
>Like a scientist in a lab can create life with the right tools.

doctor Anonheimer, fucking your secretary is not "creating life with the right tools"
we request you to cease your actions immidiately

>>94183442
Nothing has been shown to contradict that so that's my assumption. And even if they're not the originals, the gems who are alive now were created under their reign so it still works.

>>94183276
>We need a material hard enough to penetrate gem material, let's go on a magical adventure to a location and collect some of that material for the drill
>We're out of mechanical parts and need to figure out a way to get more. Can we get the townies involved to fund/donate parts? Can we steal some?
>Okay the drill is done, let's drill through the bedrock. Do you think there will be an obstacles in the way? Oh look, a mini-cluster landed on the drill, he might pose a threat-- oh he fell off. Nevermind. Well, watch out for any more threats. We don't want the drill to get damaged on the way and we have to make a pit stop for an episode where we're hiding among monsters in the Earth's crust-- oh we're here.

Yeah you're right, those fucking suck, let's just have an episode about Steven wanting to look older on his birthday to impress Connie.

>>94181384
I mean real sex (scissoring, etc.) not a lame metaphor for sex to teach kids about consent.

>>94183573
>reign
But again, what do they do? We haven't seen them do anything worth noting. They don't relegate or command. So far all they've done is lead a farce of a trial and sometimes send small team of gems to Earth to fuck around with the locals.

>>94183293
>Doesn't really seem like the Diamonds factor all that much into the equation. What exactly do they even do? Like, what is their job?

They're the biggest, strongest, supposedly oldest, in charge and at the top of everyone.

>>94183789
>They don't relegate or command. So far all they've done is lead a farce of a trial and sometimes send small team of gems to Earth to fuck around with the locals.

That's relegating and commanding. In the flashback we see Blue Diamond doing that during the war and they commanded the retreat of their army before they set off the corruption wave. And they send gems to worlds to be colonized and create more gems.

>>94182974

I hope he makes sure to cuckold Sadie.

>>94180440
No, it would make more hate.

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>yfw Lars gets an actual hot alien waifu and cucks that donut whore

>>94180440
Make a multiverse and then make people of each multiverse kill themselves in a grand royale battle for survival their respective Universe.

It worked for Dragonball

>>94180998
FUCK YOU GOLDSTEIN!

>>94182750
This. Mind if I screencap this? It basically explains the whole "crying Steven" meme.

Hmmm.... the other SUG thread about Lars got deleted, are we back down to only 1 at a time aka "a general"?

>>94187883
That reference was doubleplus good.

>>94182483
A:TLA

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>>94187976
You must really newspeak my language!