Watched Homecoming Monday with family. My dad didn't get

>>94170437
Is he a Trump voter?

Vulture was a pretty sympathetic villain. But it doesn't help that middle-class white families are insecure as fuck.

>>94170437
Either the movie didn't convey that he's selling weapons to murderes properly, your dad wasn't really paying attention, was too dumb to catch it or he's totally cool with it.

>>94170472
well we only saw 1 crime actually be committed with the weapons and it wasn't violent until spiderman interfered so if he wasn't paying attention he might've missed it

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>>94170445
We've gone over this.

>>94170437
>My dad didn't get why the Vulture was so bad or why Spidey didn't just join him.

You might want to check if your Dad is secretely a super-criminal.

>>94170437
Yes. Yes it is.
I was surprised why Spidey didn't levae him for good in the end.

>>94170437

It's the fuck you got mine mentality that a lot of people, myself included, have in regards to family.

Simply put Vulture was doing what he had to do in order to keep his family afloat. Didn't matter that what he did got people killed, all that mattered was that the family unit was provided for and his child and wife were safe.

A lot of folks can get behind that mindset, especially if they've ever lived below the poverty line. When the bill pile up and the food's running low sometimes you've got to hustle to keep shit running and keep a roof over your family's head.

>>94170531
>did what he had to do
Why didn't he get another job? He put his family in jeopardy by becoming a crook.

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>>94170437
>tfw i dont walk out of films and discuss flaws within the movie with a cool dad

>>94170472
Or his dad is secretly running guns and wants a son to mentor in the family business so the film resonated with him

>>94170550

Because in his mind he might not have had time to find another job, or at least relaibly find one.

The tech was there, it was basically money right in his goddamn face and he obvioulsy knew enough people on the shadier side of the law in order to get his business started.

Why go through months of not working and put your livelihood at risk when all it takes is a forklift some technical know how and a couple of phone calls to start living on easy street?

>>94170550
I believe it is stated in the very beginning of the movie that Vulture invest all his resources in executing exactly this kind of job - collect and work with unknown alien technology. Also he recieved a strong fuck you instead of compensation from guy who sells weaponry. So it could affect his behaviour too.

>>94170445
Kek

Your dad is part of the Sinister Six.

>>94170437
>My dad didn't get why the Vulture was so bad or why Spidey didn't just join him.

Yikes. Is your father a supervillain?

>>94170604

What I don't get is why he didn't sue the city down to scorched earth. He was hired to do the job, he got into hock to do it and then the feds swoop in and take the job away from him.

How wasn't the media all over this? Tony isn't THAT popular.

It's not like he was asking for something unreasonable. Compensate the man for chrissakes.

I don't remember Cagney being so unreasonable.

I can totally understand why your father would think that. He was one of the more relatable villains in the MCU, definitely compared to previous Spider-Man villains.

He never put civilians in danger and he gave Spider-Man a pass or two after saving his daughter's life and his own . Hell, even when he killed his underling like villains love to do, it's played up as an accident.

>>94170670

Litigation takes time, and the city has better lawyers than he could afford to take on.

Once again, why take the hard road when the easy one is right there?

Sometimes it all boils down to convenience.

>>94170670
You underestimate the power and irresponsibility of people who has a strong sense of impunity due to their wealth and influence.

>>94170437

Vulture needed to stop, but honestly I would have been okay with things if he realized he was going too far and just quietly closed up shop.

Like, he could go and get a real job now. A fucking FANTASTIC job. He and his crew are some of the foremost experts on alien tech on the planet, especially in regards to melding it with human tech.

His shit might not compare with the likes of Shield or Hydra, but its clearly leagues above what anyone else is working with.

>>94170713
As Better Call Saul made clear, there is a difference between being a criminal and being a bad person.

Vulture is a criminal, but he is also a good person. That's all there is to it.

OP's father just assumed that good people can't be criminals, or he thinks criminals don't matter. Maybe he just thinks that death rays should be legal, who knows. If he is American I can see why he might be okay with random people on the street being able to slice a house in two.

>Stark transporting all of his gadgets and fucking HULKBUSTER without any escort

This movie falls apart completely at the end, also why was Tony happy when Peter did exactly the same shit as with the ferry and tried to bite more than he could chew.

What if the plane crashed into a building?

>>94170713
Pretty much this. The vulture is honestly barely a villain and I dont see a single dad on earth who wouldnt act like him under the right circumstances. Sure selling weapons is bad but he only really became a murderer when he killed Shocker (which was another crook). Other than that, he was basically just repurposing junk and tried to steal from Scrooge mcduck while giving Spider-man more than one chance to leave him alone and stay alive in the process

>>94170507
I wish my dad was a super criminal instead of a cop.

>>94170858

Because this time it worked.

In case you hadn't noticed, Tony is an 'ends justifies the means' kind of guy. Consequences only matter if you fail.

>>94170788
won't that bring the authorities to question where they got their expertise?

>>94170713
He was selling hotwired alien death rays to muggers and bank robbers, death rays which he barely even understood how they worked. Hence why he was using alien grenades as power source for his own flight rig for eight years. His guys were selling that shit five blocks away from his fucking house, he was definitely putting civilians at risk.

>>94171038
Guns don't kill people, people do.

>>94170550
>becoming a crook
So, what, I sell a pistol I find on the street without a fancy-schmancy BIG BAD SALESMAN OF WEAPONS OFFICIAL MERCHANT OF DEATH license, I'm a crook? That's called scavenging. It's not stealing if the fucker is dead and was trying to kill you anyway.

>>94170522
Really the last time Peter let a criminal go away his uncle died.

>>94171127
>cryingToby.gif

>>94171052

Guns really fucking help. Especially if you send some motherfucker back in time.

>>94170968
If you're particularly savvy in a particular practical field, the government is more than willing to look the other way. Look up Operation Paperclip or any alphabet soup agency's declassified escapades, for that matter.

>>94170467
>white families

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>>94170437
>He watches movies with his dad
The only time my dad ever went to see a movie with me was The Incredibles, and I'll cherish that movie forever for it. I'm envious of you, OP.

>>94171143
I´m just saying why peter didn´t let him go. Maybe another hero would have let him do that last job.

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>>94171099
>Vulture is a scavenger, feeding off the carcasses of the Chitauri invasion force.

its like pottery

>>94171152
true.
also it might just be a matter of how they will break into the legit side .probably release small products then work their way up to bigger stuff rather than just dump cutting edge tech outtanowhere so they won't get too much attention?

>>94170467
>white families
Blacks and Asians literally spend their entire lives fronting to be on white families' level lmao

>>94171211
we will never get a male villain called the cuckoo

impregnates your wife/girlfriend and you get stuck with raising his kid.

Fuck off.

>>94171192
I never understood why people want to go to the cinema with their father. But than I watched almost every single MCU movie with my mom and half of them in the theatre.

>>94170797
>Mike could totally be a Spider-Man villain if he had some crazy gimmick.

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>>94170522
>villain wants to do one last job and then retire for good
>this is the job that the hero finally catches them on

Every time.

>>94171545
>>this is the job that the hero finally catches them on
Realistically he was going to get caught once Tony Stark get mad. The only thing different is that he would have spread the Arc Reactor tech everywhere by the time Tony get to him. The Vulture was never meant to fight the Avengers or the US army for that matter, he doesn't have the resources for a war. Further his family would definitely be in danger once he became an official big time criminal. That was why he was against the big job for so long, that he wasn't going to deal with that risk until it was the last option.

>>94171385
Because they like their dads unlike you?
just because you have issues doesn't mean everyone does

>>94170903
By today society standards, they are basically the same thing

>>94171690
I guess you right. However I don't think watching movies in theatre together is something what good parent need to do obligatory to be a good parent. Especially if kids already are grown ups.

>>94170488
He fucking vaporised a guy and then shrugged it off.

>>94171775
I'm not American though so not really.

>>94170670
As someone studying law, i'll just say you have a lot of faith in the justice of any legal system.

Besides, if the city is superseded by a federal act he can't sue them even if he did have the resources for a court battle. He'd have to sue the federal gov/Stark, and at that level he's doomed to years of litigation before he ever sees a cent back.

>>94171775
>/co/mblr

>>94170437
Someone made a comment before on YouTube or something regarding the whole conversation between Vulture and Spidey before the rubble falls. The Vulture made some good points about being fucked over by the world and if Spidey was older, he most likely would have let him go about his life. But since he's young and doesn't understand how the world works, he has no sympathy.

To the average adult audience member, I can easily see where he is coming from. It's a dog eat dog world and he himself is not out to kill anyone, he is honestly just like a small time Stark (Vulture)

>>94171775
>the entire world is murica
fuck off, cops are respected in non cucked countries and we don't cry for murders and rapists

>>94171239
While the suburban white people try their hardest to be black

>>94170743
>Sometimes it all boils down to convenience

That doesn't make him sympathetic.

>>94173029
>To the average adult audience member, I can easily see where he is coming from. It's a dog eat dog world and he himself is not out to kill anyone, he is honestly just like a small time Stark (Vulture)
Only Americans think selling death rays to known criminals wouldn't kill anyone.

>>94170437
So your dad is a supervillain too, huh?

Vulture isn't guilty of anything Stark isn't guilty of in spades, and is more polite and nice than him on a purely personal level, so it's hard to hate him in any capacity.

>>94170437
Some people do empathize with murderous thugs. It happens until they or a friend gets thug'd.

>>94170437
If he wasn't in capeshit he would be viewed as a morally challenge hero who must do wrong to save his family.

>>94173544
They're just keeping those death rays for self defense and hunting!

>>94173646
And Stark "redeemed" himself by realizing suddenly "oh wow, those weapons I sold for years were used to kill people, I better keep them all for myself".

>>94171545
Spidey pushed him to actually pursue that last big job, though. He was perfectly happy going after DDC trucks, explicitly because robbing Stark would be too high-profile, and refused Tinkerer's suggestions to upgrade his wings for that big job. Spidey stopped one of those DDC truck heists in the middle of the movie, part of what pushed Toomes to rob the plane.

>>94170437
Not necessarily, but I feel that's what they were going for with the Vulture. The man is a pragmatist who genuinely cares for his family; with his skillset, this is the way he can provide the best life possible for his family.

But he is flawed. You see that he's not just getting by, but living a fairly affluent lifestyle because of his scavenging and weapons dealing. Indeed, he didn't have to go for the plane heist. He's sympathetic, because you can see that he believes his own justifications for his actions, and you can see people like your father being pushed into situations like that in reality, but he's also driven by greed at heart.

That kind was my problem with the movie. I found the vulture very unthreatening. I undestand they tried to make him a sympathetic villain, but maybe he was a little too sympathetic.

>>94170550
Because he was good at it. Because he had too much pride not to work for himself.

Most importantly, he didn't just want his family to get by, he wanted them to live well, as evidenced by their nice big house.

>>94174302
he was sympathetic until the reveal that he was an upper middle class family with a fucking amazing house so he wasn't doing what he did to save his family like he said he was, he was just doing it to keep his family comfortable
that said that might've come from the time gap between the start of the film when they're actual salvagers and later on when Peter gets involved and then he didn't feel like stopping

still hard to sympathise with him though

>>94171038
>His guys were selling that shit five blocks away from his fucking house, he was definitely putting civilians at risk.
He killed the guy for doing that, to be fair. Tom Hardy was only supposed to be selling the weapons, not giving a demonstration.

>>94171835
But that guy was an asshole, so it's OK.

>>94173724
Vulture isn't a murderous thug, though. He's a thief but he doesn't set out to harm people unless they interfere in his work. Not exactly a saint, but better than someone like Carnage or Norman Osborn.

>>94173072
Russian cops are literal bandits. It definetly not Murica.

>>94173029
Well, no. If Spidey was older he would be able to better articulate the problem with Vulture's enterprise, namely that Vulture was turning ordinary criminals into super-criminals and vastly increasing the chance of a catastrophe. How long until a heist goes wrong and a building gets knocked down? The film is too lighthearted to go into it, but imagine if a terrorist or spree killer had got their hands on one of those weapons.

>>94176085
Yeah I mean he could've tried to say that Toomes' weapons could endanger Liz and he'd get right to the point.

>>94176085
>Vulture was turning ordinary criminals into super-criminals and vastly increasing the chance of a catastrophe

Literally this. I feel a huge embarrassment for all those dads who do not seem to understand such an elementary issue.

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>>94171545
Don't you believe it. There's always another perfect job.

>>94170472
>selling to murderers
>while tony stark profits off the wanton destruction he and his super powered frat boys caused
>he's only doing this because Stark fucked him in the ass
Yeah, Starks still more of a prick than Vulture. Fuck laying down to die when big Tony runs a train on your life, sell to gangbangers.

>>94170858
>What if the plane crashed into a building?

That would have been Tony's fault.

>>94176572
Vulture ended up being a hypocrite though. He ends up getting rich by selling to criminals, just like Tony got rich by selling weapons to killers.

>>94174844
Weak bait Anon, weak bait.

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>put a 'kill mode' into the suit of a 15 year old

>>94171475
"Mike Kills the Marvel Universe" when?

So in the movie, the vulture and gang have been selling alien tech for years but no one noticed the laser guns until spider-man saw them?

>>94170531
vulture was also the only character with a clear motive-- which is essential for a protagonist-- spider-man was a little less clear-- impress stark, etc.

>>94176708
Calm down. Yes, Tony sold weapons, but he sold them to the American government, at least to strengthen his nation. In the MCU is Stane selling his weapons to terrorists.

This does not redeem Tony, but certainly does not put him on the same level as Volture that literally is arming street criminals that have all intention on using those weapons in the city.

>>94176708
Vulture wasn't a hypocrite. He didn't think what Tony was doing was wrong, in fact his ENTIRE JUSTIFICATION for his actions is that "I'm doing exactly what Tony is doing, and I'm arbitrarily a criminal while he's seen as a legitimate business man". Vulture isnt a hypocrite. He doesn't demonize what Tony does only to do it himself. He disapproves of the world around him being hypocritical in their differing treatment of him and Tony. And then Stark Enterprises colluding with the government via damage control means "they get paid to make their messes then they get paid to clean them up" which only makes him angrier.

Vulture did absolutely nothing wrong if you pardon the things he did that Tony did as well.

>>94170437
>>94170445
lul

>>94176572
Well he is the Norman Osborne analogue in the story.

So you're telling me the writers tried their hardest to paint a white middle class nuclear family as the bad guys and a bunch of innocent brown and black people as the good guys and still managed to fuck it up? Lol.

>>94179098
>white middle class nuclear family
>white
His wife was black anon.

So was his main enforcer.

The main hero is a white kid from Queens.

>>94170437
He was bar because he sold weapons to dangerous criminals
But he was sympathetic because he was doing it for his family and not his own greed

>>94171835
Too be fair it was an accident he wanted to use the anti-gravity gun

>>94179098
>"""white"""

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>>94170437
Yes

>>94179998
Zemo is best girl though, so it works out.

>>94177648
Well he kept it lowkey.

>>94179326
>But he was sympathetic because he was doing it for his family and not his own greed
He was totally doing it for his own greed, and directly endangering his family in the process. Did he need a $5 million house? Why didn't he just continue doing his job? Don't give me that shit about how the government screwed him over by violating his contract after he'd bought equipment, they're legally required to compensate him for that.

>>94177648
The MCU countries are all failed states. See also: the US government somehow surrendering authority to an international organization and allowing it to nuke New York City because of space bikers that killed less than 150 people.

>>94179998
Move Malekeith to high tier once you find out about the original script and parts cut from the film.

>>94170488
four crimes:
the robbery
The sell
The vaporization of the guy
stealing from the truck

>There are people who don't get why stealing alien technology to make super weapons to sell to criminals is a bad thing

There used to be a time when shit like this surprised me.

>>94180571
The government doesn't serve the needs of the people in his world. Violent revolution would be the correct course of action.

I just watched this today with my family as well. This movie is so PC, it made it difficult to actually enjoy it. Aside from that, the movie seemed to have many other flaws. For one thing, it took forever to get into the plot of the movie, too much intro. Secondly, I didn't really feel the other characters very well. There wasn't too much time leant to show us more about them, which made me care less for them.

This movie was kind of a let down.

>>94180607
Yes selling super weapons to petty criminals is the answer. Genius

>>94180671
>This movie is so PC, it made it difficult to actually enjoy it.
lol

>>94180557
Deleted scenes and original scripts don't mean shit, bruh.

Vulture did nothing wrong. Iron Man and Iron Junior shouldn't have stuck their iron noses into his business.

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>or why Spidey didn't just join him
does he often think that heros should join villains in robbing rich people of super-advanced tech so they can make weapons to better rob people with?

>>94180908
Because the world isn't black and white, and peter is too fucking privileged to see past his own god damn nose. Tony sells weapons and he gets models and shit, Toomes tries to put food on the table and THIS is a problem.
If he wasn't going to help, Peter should have stayed the fuck outta the way.

>>94180960
t. Toomes

Why they give prisoners internet access, I'll never know.

>>94180960
Tony was selling weapons to governments. not to random street muggers who want to be able to vaporize someone for trying to stop them from ripping a purse of an old grandmother
Come on now. dont be dense. Vulture was sympathetic, but he was selling to fucking gang members weapons capable of vaporizing an entire police car occupants included. Thats MUCH different from Tony stark selling missiles to other world governments

>>94170472
You don't blame the hardware store for selling an axe to an axe murderer. This is gun control propaganda; Marvel is imposing their politics on the screen, along with the blackwashing of all Pete's supporting cast.

>>94180570
>>94170488


Are you two actually retarded or did you just not watch the movie?

How about cutting a fucking boat in half? There's a ton of laws being broken there including attempted murder and destruction of property.

How about the attacking and attempted grand larceny of a plane that lead to it crashing and nearly killing someone?

How about flying unauthorized in American airspace?

How about possession and sale of illegal weaponry?

How about several attempted murders?

How about threatening someone with violence against their loved ones?

How about money laundering?


You Vulture apologists are the worst. The dude was not a sympathetic villain, he was a dirtbag.

>>94181079
oh fuck off with that. if they wanted to do propaganda, they wouldnt be vaguely subtle about it.

>>94181085
>How about cutting a fucking boat in half? There's a ton of laws being broken there including attempted murder and destruction of property.
That one was Peter and his webbing of an active weapon.

>How about flying unauthorized in American airspace?
Pretty sure Tony and Thor are guilty of this, even if they are authorized now

The rest you are correct on, but those ones not so much.

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>>94181085
this

>>94181085
>How about possession and sale of illegal weaponry?
The weaponry wasn't illegal. No litigation existed about it as it was unlike any weapon yet developed. It was illegal weapon sales, arguably, but the weapons themselves weren't illegal.

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>>94181132
Because it was perfectly legal for some random chump to have an alien weapon that they jerry-rigged with a soldering iron and duct tape. Yeah how dare anyone interrupt a man using a makeshift weapon

>>94181046
And then those same weapons get used against the American people. Toomes wouldn't be doing this shit if he hadn't gotten ripped off. >>94181026
Peter's got everything going for him, he doesn't know the struggle like Toomes does. Peter gets to sip lattes with Mr. Stark footing the bill and go to his fancy science private school. Toomes is among the millions of Americans being exploited by the government and the billionaires who keep them like pets.

>>94181214
I'm not saying Peter was in the wrong. I'm saying they aren't the ones who cut the boat in half, learn to into reading comprehension.

>>94179998
Mordo is elder god tier, Doctor Strange was Mordo's heroic origin story.

>>94181201
Dude come the fuck on. its fucking illegal to make and use a potato-launcher as a weapon, you dont need new legislation to make it illegal to create weapons from new tech.

>>94180880
Agreed

>>94181132

Vulture brought the weapon on the boat.

Tony and Thor sure did break the law. Good thing that has literally nothing to do with Vulture ALSO breaking the law.

>>94181249
But you do in the MCU, otherwise there wouldn't have been the big court case arguing if the Iron Man suit is classified as a Weapon or not.

>>94181229
>Peter's got everything going for him, he doesn't know the struggle like Toomes does.
Toomes is a fucking millionaire.
> Toomes is among the millions of Americans being exploited by the government
Toomes was never exploited by anyone. He was legally required to get compensation for the breach of contract. If he didn't, then it's his own fault for being a moron, as if the government were in violation of that law then any lawyer would jump at the chance to sue for him pro bono.

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Abandon thread, retarded troll who thinks every pissant fucking thing that isnt explicitly stated must be evidence to support his bullshit

>>94181310
>Everyone I don't agree with is a troll and/or retarded.

>>94178657
Vulture is legitimately the MCU's best villain. Who /Always knew our boy would make it one day when no one believed in him/ here?

>>94170467
Vulture was a race mixer. Drive the oil, forever toil.

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>>94181328
read
>>94181201
cause we the audience are supposed to be familiar with the legal loopholes in an fictional universe. So you just assume that the legal loophole MUST exist rather than assuming there is already a law against people using makeshift weapons from untested tech.
Come the fuck on trolly mctroll

>>94170445
fpbp

>>94173072
>implying most of South America isn't ruled by Gestapo-esque police forces
>implying most Eastern European countries dont have bandits for police forces

>>94170467
>middle-class
Vulture owned a successful business and owned what looked like a luxurious five-bedroom house in New York. He was a millionaire.

>>94170437
>Claims to fight for the "little guy"
>Literally uses the money he got from selling alien tech to criminals to become a wealthy asshole living in a half-glass castle in the hills effectively becoming one of the wealthy assholes he rails on
>Also makes it distinctly more difficult for the "little guy" who is subject to the most violence by the criminals he's supply arms to

He's also an oil driller.

>>94181285
>Toomes is a fucking millionaire.
Since when? I don't remember him pulling out his fucking bank statement to tell Peter, "Look at my fucking 1 million dollars in the bank." He just doesn't want to lose the little he's spent his whole life clawing together.
>He was legally required to get compensation for the breach of contract.
The law only works against working class people. No fucking way Tony or SHIELD would pay him shit. The people in power write the laws to serve their interests.
> If he didn't, then it's his own fault for being a moron
>why don't poor people just stop being poor, like a smart person?

So why was the Shocker at Peter Parker's dance? He was already there before the vulture found out about Peters identity, as there's no way he could make it there in time when the vulture finally found out. The even bring this up in their conversation while they fight, so why was he already there?

>>94181519
>Since when?
Have you seen his house?
> The law only works against working class people. No fucking way Tony or SHIELD would pay him shit.
It's literally required to be on the contract he supposedly signed and can be cited readily by anyone who wants to invoke it just by going to the New York State government's website.

>>94181447
Bro. I'm taking potshots at both sides, I think Vulture is a bad guy. But I AM correct. By the logic already shown in MCU, via the Iron Man Suit trial at the beginning of IM2, the weapons themselves were not illegal. Because in MCU you need to legally define it as a Weapon beforehand. Any lawyer could use the suit trial as a method to claim that legally Toomes was not selling weapons, as they had yet to be legally defined as weapons.

>>94170467
>it doesn't help that middle-class white families are insecure as fuck.

It sure helps that they pay a shit-ton of taxes, though, doesn't it sweetheart?

>>94181652
Only in the northeast, California, and parts of Texas. All other states are a net drain in federal tax dollars.

>>94181566
But he'd be going up against TONY STARK. Toomes wouldn't survive the legal battle. Tony's got so much money he can keep the battle going for YEARS and fuck up Toomes worse than he already had.

>>94181733
Also his reputation would be trashed by all the love for Tony.

>>94177074
To be fair, that was locked behind the training wheels protocol.

>>94181760
>Spider-Man only makes it his mission to jail Toomes and ruin Liz's life because he dared to criticize Tony.
Fucking hell, there's even more layers to Homecoming than I thought.

>>94181733
>But he'd be going up against TONY STARK. Toomes wouldn't survive the legal battle.
There wouldn't be a legal battle, he'd literally just need to point at a line on the contract. Any judge would consider this an open and shut case, because it literally is. Also, he wouldn't be suing Stark, but the government. The entity he made the contract with. I have no idea why people think Stark would be involved at all.

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>>94179998
I've got this to compliment that image. Any ideas what McU heroes fit these slots?

>>94180689
It fuels the disenfranchised masses to take arms against the oppressive oligarchy

>>94181932
Spiderman has the best spot on this image.

>>94181932
>All but Spiderman
>I will try my best to kill you

>>94171192
>>94171385
>>94171690
>>94171822
My father wanted to watch Wonder Woman with me but i prefer to be struck by lighting over watching that movie. It looks terrible

>>94181940
Yes, giving bank robbers and thugs super weapons will help. Great idea, nothing will go wrong.

>>94181285
Toomes wasn't exactly a millionaire, he was just at the top of the middle class after years of hard (but still dirty) work. You think him and his family where living in that fancy cube house 8 years ago?

Also a villain can break the the law and still be sympathetic. His main draw is that he was a hard working, flannel wearing, family man that was down on his luck and lost a big chance to support his family to "The Man." What he did was still wrong, but it had a relatable logic to it.

>>94182042
Honestly this. Spidey is the first hero in the MCU to have any qualms about killing his enemy.

>>94181285
>Toomes is a fucking millionaire.
The entire point was that he's a middle-class nobody. He's "fighting for the little guy", he sees himself as Robin Hood but he doesn't give away the goods. He's fighting the system, trying to take down "the man" (personified by Tony Stark).

Did you fall asleep in the theatre?

He's a criminal, but his motives ring true to Peter which leads to him finally embracing the "Friendly Neighborhood" mentality at the end of the movie.

>>94174365
>he wasn't doing what he did to save his family like he said he was, he was just doing it to keep his family comfortable
That's still an admirable thing. Guy genuinely cared about his family and wanted them to have the best and to continue having the best. He did wrong but it is something easy to relate to.

>>94177074
>Tony Stark makes horrible life decisions. This and other breaking news at 11!

Honestly I'll be disappointed if this doesn't come up in Infinity War with Peter telling the suit to go super kill mode on Thanos only for it to turn out to be another whimsically named mode from Tony that isn't actually lethal. For instance, oh, let's say the suit forces Peter to turn around and firing webbing out of his ass while everybody is watching him. Tony can just shrug and quip that he thought it was funny.

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>>94173072

>That awkward moment when Murica finally means the whole American continent and not just the USA

>>94182932
>Activate Super Kill Mode!
>"This mode is not on the new suit please understand"
>WHAT?!
>I learnt from my mistakes ok?!

>>94181932
Superman has killed before, shouldn't he be lower than the "save unrepentant mass murders from falling to their deaths" Batautist?

>>94182529
>The entire point was that he's a middle-class nobody.

One with a 10 million dollar house.

>>94181533
He was trying to nail Vulture's hot jailbait daughter, duh

>>94170713
>kazak!
>ash
>I thought this was the gravity gun?
>slow head shake

>>94181494
Yeah, that kind of made me a little less sympathetic towards him.

>>94170858
>What if the plane crashed into a building?

Then Tony would have blamed Vulture for the accident, probably outed Spiderman, and would have gotten the government contract for the clean up and suffered absolutely no consequences for his actions.

you know, like normal.

>>94170437
>My dad didn't get why the Vulture was so bad
Does your dad pay for your college?

>>94170860
>Sure selling weapons is bad

Unless you make billions from it like Tony Stark. Then it's fine

>>94171038
>He was selling hotwired alien death rays to muggers and bank robbers

The chitauri weapons are shit tier anyway. Cap gets shot in the gut and just shrugs it off. You would be better off my a normal handgun .

>>94170670
In addition to what others have said, it was also right after a giant alien invasion. The news had bigger stories to ride.

>>94172540
This. Vulture would have spent over a decade just to get compensation (which probably wouldn't even equal his losses after everything), and at ever turn Tony could have shut him down with "Planetary security" because of people doing what Tombs ultimately ended up doing anyways.

there was no win via legal means.

>>94171220
The phase tech alone could probably make some big bucks

>>94176708
>Vulture ended up being a hypocrite though.

actually, he wasn't being a hypocrite. His whole deal was "Tony Stark does this. If it's okay for Tony Stark, then it's okay for me." He was holding everyone to the same standard of behavior.

Tony was the massive hypocrite, going "It's okay for me to sell weapons until I don't feel like it, and it's okay for me to go around making a profit off of the very mess I helped make thanks to my powerful friends. And who cares if little guys lose everything, cause Dolla Dolla Bill!"

>>94176708
Not so rich.
He did it for family, not for booze, cocaine and private planes.

>>94170713
>Hell, even when he killed his underling like villains love to do, it's played up as an accident.

That shit had me laughing. Though it does make me question what he was planning to do afterwards.

>>94180459
>Did he need a $5 million house?
He lives in New York, most houses are going to be in that range. That same house where I live is probably only a $1 million dollar house. And why not get your family the nicest house you can? you want to be a stingy asshole who makes his family live in a shit house when you can afford good?

> Why didn't he just continue doing his job?
BECAUSE TONY STARK TUK HIS JERB!! keep up.

>Don't give me that shit about how the government screwed him over by violating his contract after he'd bought equipment, they're legally required to compensate him for that.

Pretty sure it was made clear that Damage Control/Government did not give a single fuck about compensating him for jack shit. And even then, that compensation was probably not going to cover much of anything. If he was really, really lucky, it might cover the debt he went into. If he was really, really, really lucky it might also cover the new trucks he bought. But it certainly was not going to cover living for him, his old crew, and his new crews.

Plus, Damage control was taking Everything from the Incident under them. So not only were they fucking him out of his current contract, they were probably gobbling up all the other jobs in the area which meant there would be absolutely no work to be found in the "clean up" business in the city.

>>94174019
>Tinkerer

So that was him? The thought came to me but I didn't catch a name.

>>94181079
Yep you got it

>>94180557
links/info? I'm interested

>>94181214
>>94181249

The right of the public to bear arms shall not be infringed.

It is my constitutional right to own alien death rays if I can afford them.

And given we live in a world where a knife with a blade longer than 3" can get you sent to prison for a decade even if you haven't used it on anyone, I'm a little less inclined to care about the "legality" of a weapon that is perfectly "constitutional."

>>94179998
Where does Loki fit?

>>94181201
Their capabilities would classify them as destructive devices under ATF rulings. They have to be registered, but as long as proper stamps go on the appropriate papers they would be legal to own pending further federal legislation. Of course state and city laws may also apply but federally they might be in the clear.

>>94181893
you clearly know nothing of American Law.

>>94182130
technically...they weren't "weapons."

One was a laser cutter. Sure, you use that to kill someone, but it literally was just a fancy "saw." The other was a gravity claw that helped with lifting shit. Sure you could use that to throw someone around, but technically it's a crane lift.

yes, one of them fired off and blew up a shop, but that shop probably had a gas line in it and that's what created half the explosion. Half his stuff is just fancy alien power tools. Any lawyer could argue that and probably win.

>>94184564
Toomes calls him Mason, I assume as in Phineas Mason.

>>94170550
Because in the beginning of the movie he literally states he spent a ton of money hiring numerous new crew members and a fleet of trucks for the job, and didn't want to just abandon it

>>94184844
Cool shit

>>94181085
>How about cutting a fucking boat in half? There's a ton of laws being broken there including attempted murder and destruction of property.
True, but it happened because of Spider-Man

>How about the attacking and attempted grand larceny of a plane that lead to it crashing and nearly killing someone?
Plane was unmanned and controlled by AI, not to mention his high altitude seal robbery wouldn't have crashed it. Again, happened because of Spider-Man

>How about flying unauthorized in American airspace?
What about Tony and Thor?

>How about possession and sale of illegal weaponry?
Again, what about Tony?

>How about several attempted murders?
All Avengers can be charged of this

>How about threatening someone with violence against their loved ones?
It's intimidation. Don't tell me you've never threatened someone before.

>How about money laundering?
True, though he is a villain and as far as Villains go is he really that bad? He got fucked over by the system so he fucked the system right back, that's what people empathize with.

>>94181214
Yo, Tony Stark built an indestructible death suit to fuck citizens of foreign countries.

>>94181932
What's the difference between Supes and Batman's positions?

>>94184694
>Thor 1

High Tier. He hates his father for lying to him about what he is, he hates his Frost Giant heritage, he envies Thor for his loyal following and his unworthiness for the throne which he covets for himself. Wants to kill all Frost Giants to prove he's a great king and the one who deserves to succeed Odin, not Thor.

>Avengers

Mid Tier to shit. He makes a deal with Thanos to get back the throne of Asgard and to ruin Earth as a fuck you to Thor because he loves humans so much.

>Thor 2

Somewhere in between? He helps Malekith to fuck over the Asgardians but he is genuinely remorseful when that results in Hela's death. He pretends to help Thor so he can secretly oust Odin and take his place as king with no one the wiser.

>Thor 3

Not sure. Trailers seem to indicate he fucks Thor over to the Grandmaster, but he's willing to help when Hela kicks his ass and throws him out of Asgard. He can't rule the place if she destroys the nine realms.

>>94185125
>It's intimidation. Don't tell me you've never threatened someone before.
This isn't actually a normal thing. also making such a threat is against the law in America.

>>94183804
>Vulture's hot jailbait daughter
Watching the movie as a 23 year old man made me nervous whenever she came on screen. I didn't ask for these urges.

>>94185298
>also making such a threat is against the law in America.

For real? That's just the norm for arguments in the UK lmao

>>94185298
>making such a threat is against the law in America.
Is keeping an operational nuclear reactor in the middle of the city allowed by the law in America?

>>94185407
If you have the right paperwork.

>>94170467
>Vulture was a pretty sympathetic villain
This much is true. he basically took the approach of "gotta take care of me and my own", when he got screwed by Starks company Damage Control. Sure, he was selling dangerous weapons, but like most people running a business, he didnt care what they did with his product as long as they took them from his hands, pretty much like a gun manufacturer.

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>>94177074
>Bring said 15 year old into space to fight a titanian superbeing

>>94185356
She's actually 28, anon. No joke. She just looks really young. She's one of the folks who are the reason people get carded for beer until they're 40. So don't worry. You're fine.

>>94184460
probably just put the squeeze on him.

hes not evil but his reaction was pretty jaded. I know it was an accident and he threatened you but youve known the guy for what a decade?

>>94181847
yeah guarantee you it was supposed to take years to get that taken off.

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>>94185182
Those weren't real people. Flame-throwing them to death was an act of true American patriotism.

>>94179998
So are great tier villains technically heroes that have fallen from doing heroic deeds? Like Iron Man during the first Civil War, negative zone and other atrocities.

Simplified in another context, are characters that go from Lawful Good to Lawful Evil bad guys great tier?

>>94181468
samefagg tumbletard as
>>94170636

>>94170445
back to /pol/

>>94185618
Thank fuck.

When I watched this with my brother as soon as we left the theater he started calling her ugly but I had to hold my tongue because she was portraying a teenager. Guilt lifted.

>>94185824
>the fpbp one is a new ip(84th)
>posts are nearly 11 hours apart
Why make this post

>>94181085
>implying dirtbags aren't some of the most sympathetic people

His motivation makes him sympathetic, his action is what makes him a villain.

>>94185407
>Is keeping an operational nuclear reactor in the middle of the city allowed by the law in America?
Disneyland has the technical legal right to operate a nuclear power-plant in one of their theme-parks. This is because Walt wanted to build an entire ecosystem where people would live their entire lives inside Disneyland, and that meant it needed its own independent powerplant.

Walt died before his plan was carried out, but the construction permit is still valid.

>>94170797
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED

>>94182065
>such a retarded MCUck that he won't see a movie with his father just because it's from a rival company
Like I said before, the only people who hated BvS hate their parents.

>>94186017
Are you implying that you had parents?

...I had parents...we should be best friends now

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>>94186017
>Like I said before, the only people who hated BvS hate their parents.
Explain.

>>94173351
It does for illegal aliens.

>>94185816
If they don't go full retard like Stark, yes. But he gets dropped down to shit tier because his motivations are vague and nonsensical.

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>>94185943

>>94186373
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlJlBIMQy7k

>>94186267
His motivations are pretty clear.
>AOU: super spooked aliens will come and fuck earth
>Try to prevent it by building Iron suit army and AI robot

>CW: super guilty and trying to make up for the AI robot killing a bunch of people.
>Agree with accords to appease UN and stay in the public's favor

He's mainly motivated by guilt and fear.

>>94186519
Oh, that Civil War. He wasn't really the "villain" of the movie, simply a different school of thought that came in conflict with Captain America's "Bucky is my friend!".

>>94186552
Oh didn't realize it was the comic. Yeah. he's just a cunt in that.

In the end I got the impression he did it all just to fuck the mom.

>>94185816
>So are great tier villains technically heroes that have fallen from doing heroic deeds?
yeah, it's a gold rule of drama.

>>94186519
>He's mainly motivated by guilt and fear.
He's motivated by his "#1 asshole" medal

>>94171211
Damn I didn't know Homecoming was KINO

>>94173096
No thanks, I don't want to go on welfare.

>>94186610
Man, imagine if he had to deal with a Norman Osborn here that is actively dicking with Peter's life because reasons and also funding his own privatized superhero team and selling weapons to other nations. Would be a hilarious arms race of dickery for greater good vs dickery for profit.

>>94186719
Actually, that sounds great, but they kinda fucked up that concept in IM2.

>>94171665
Didnt tony only get onto the deal after Peter told him about the initial deal? Thats how i saw the scene with them on the pier anyway; Tony was mad that Peter stepped out.

>>94171239
>Asians literally spend their entire lives fronting to be on white families' level lmao
Don't Asians earn higher than whites on average? At least in the US.

>>94180037
Zemo literally had no effects on the avengers, Tony and Steve are still pals

>>94181960
That's not how you spell Conan.

>>94186888
Where they ever pals though?

>>94186967
Damn you right, but I was mostly referring to the love letter Steve wrote to Tony at the end of civil war

>>94186888
He is cute though and went through a lot of work, even if none of it panned out.

>>94172286
>America is the only place with crooked and/or incompetent cops
In most of the rest of the world the pigs are a lot worse

>>94184806
>Any lawyer could argue that and probably win
>A lawyer would win by arguing that SOME of the stuff was just alien super tools criminals were using to commit crimes. Only SOME were super weapons.

Yeah, I'm sure a lawyer will get them off free with that defense.

>>94187553
>In most of the rest of the world the pigs are a lot worse
Nope. In most of the rest of the world you don't have black people with guns who scare the shit out of police and cause preemptive use of deadly force.

>>94187567
You're talking about comics-law. Guys are send to super-criminal jail without any court all the time. SHIELD and whatever they have now would come and lock them up according to some unconstitutional act written two days ago, ot without any legal reason at all, because they're "above the law".

>>94187733
>Nope. In most of the rest of the world you don't have black people with guns who scare the shit out of police and cause preemptive use of deadly force.
Tell that to the blond Australian woman, who got killed by the American cops she called to help her.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-17/australian-woman-shot-dead-by-police-in-minneapolis/8714330