I literally threw up during the rubble scene because Uncle Tony

When are we going to stop pretending we care about uncle ben?

>>94121368

Even then, i care about aunt may but this movie made her a fully capable milf. Peters got nothing to worry about. This movie lowers the weight of responsibilty so much its disgusting.

Yeah this movie sucked honestly
I liked The Vulture but I'm upset we're stuck with this Spider-Man

>>94121360
>I literally threw up
What an asshole, someone is gonna have to clean that mess up.

>>94121500

Agreed. Vulture was cool. But movie sucked.

>>94121360
I had a massive what the fuck moment at Flash Thompson leading a chant of "when I say penis, you say Parker!".

How did a line like that make it into a Spider-Man film?

>>94121542
Marvel Studios.

>>94121360
>Irresponsibly fucks everything up
>He didn't learn his lesson the first time when he irresponsibly got Ben killed

Spider-Retard

>>94121360
>MCU Peter is Stark's litte bitch
And you're surprised because...?

>>94121586

Atleast synergize the comics so we get pete shota

>>94121564
Except the movie was produced and written by Sony.

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>mfw it's been 13 years since the last decent Spiderman media content
>mfw Spidercucks have been on suicide watch for more than a decade
It's glorious.

>>94121651
Stop posting this shit. Just accept that Marvel can't make good movies. There are literally only three good Marvel movies, the rest are either mediocre or bad.

>>94121664
Superhero movies are the bottom of the barrel of cinema, they are incapable of being good, and the audiences praise lack of quality, as we have seen happen over and over for decades, but it's a fact that the movie was made by Sony.

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>>94121661
Spectacular was way, way better than the Raimi movies.
Marvel is literally the only company that doesn't know how to tell a Spider-Man story.

>>94121500
>>94121529
Movie was cool.

>>94121682
I don't care, Spiderman is a garbage hero that will make the entire MCU revolve around him like it has done up until now with Iron Man.
I'm happy he's getting blown the fuck out back into irrelevancy, which is what Spiderman deserves.

>>94121542
>How did a line like that make it into a Spider-Man film?
That's typical teenager humor, though.

>>94121685
>Muh pretty colors

>>94121661
Raimi movies are shit as Spider-man stories though

>>94121699
No it isn't you idiot. That's 10-13 year old level humor.
No one in high school is laughing at that.

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>>94121706
They're okay. They don't really have a lot of depth but they're about as good as the nineties cartoon.

>>94121699
If that were real teenage humor he'd be calling peter a cocksucking faggot.

>>94121699
No it's not, if Parker was a kid nobody liked they wouldn't be so obssesed with him to start chants at a party he already left.

It's even less typical seeing as they're supposed to be smart kids with futures.

>>94121733
I don't think I've ever seen a Hollywood portrayal of high school that was as stupid as Spider-Man homecoming

>>94121748
>>94121733
Guess what, teenagers are retarded, even more burgerclap teenagers, and even more, pajeet and nigger teenagers.
What's surprising is that Peter didn't get mugged or shot by the Pajeet.

>>94121728
Flash is a man of taste.

>>94121757
When did you graduate high school/did you graduate high school?

>>94121786
About 7 years ago.

>>94121792
Oh so you don't remember anything and base your knowledge off of Facebook screenshots you see on Reddit. Cool.
Well fun fact: High school kids aren't 12 and they don't think that saying "penis" is a joke on its own. And they certainly don't have their parties revolve around people whose only notable qualities are that they don't go to parties very often

The film wasn't bad, but shit they completely fucked over the character. I understand they had to change things so it doesn't get repetitive because of the old movies but they completely removed the key points of the character.

Peter Parker is supposed to be torn between his 2 lives with no one to help him.
Making his aunt fully capable and giving him a sidekick and a complete Stark tech gear misses the entire point of the character.

>>94121757
I'm going in to my senior year. No one acts like that.

>>94121806
No, I base it on what I lived, and don't you tell me that things have improved, please.

>>94121817
And I guess your anectodical evidence is representative of everything, including some 70% nigger shithole in NY.

>>94121702
>it's always a DC fan criticizing these movies
amazing

>>94121661

Wrong, emma stone as gwen was best girl

>>94121808
>Peter Parker is supposed to be torn between his 2 lives with no one to help him.
>Making his aunt fully capable and giving him a sidekick and a complete Stark tech gear misses the entire point of the character.
Did you forget the whole part where he had to abandon orchestra and something else because of being Spider-Man, or where he had to fuck Liz over to go stop Vulture?

>>94121841
That's true. But you should give teens a bit more credit. Kids are getting smarter and more mature earlier each generation

>>94121886
I won't.
Children are little more than whiny pets, and every single teenager could use a couple more slaps in their face.
No one under the age of 20 is a worthwhile person, and none of what these people say should ever be taken into account by anyone.

>>94121912
That is pretty cynical, but you are entitled to your opinion. Have fun with your life.

They even gave him a digital gf so he wouldnt have a moment of loneliness.

>>94121886
>Kids are getting smarter and more mature earlier each generation
No, not really, they are getting even more retarded, mostly because the new generation of parents are the first ones that didn't get slapped as kids when they did some dumb shit.

>>94121853

Enjoy your kindergarden level struggles. I hope he wont have to give up his dream of joining the badminton club. You are denial. What is the point of giving him tech and a hot milf aunt that can probly rely on horny thai waiters without pete.

>>94121360
That alone brought the movie to a 7/10 for me.

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>>94121954
Dude, chill.

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>>94121954
Please don't project the way your parents beat you on to entire generations of people.

>>94121360
This movie made me go on a sperg rant about how terrible it was as a Spider-Man story. It was the one time I revealed my power level around my gf.

>>94121994
The only downside was the voice over. This scene is probably the best Spider-Man scene in any movie to date.

>>94122020
They didn't need to beat me because they educated me properly, but it's obvious a lot of modern parents can't, and don't have the balls to call out their stupid kids, so they are bringing an entire generation of retards to our planet because people have become a bunch of oversensitive pussies.

>>94121733
>It's a smart school filled with smart students, they'd never be so immature!

Explain why so many top-tier colleges have frats that do some of the dumbest shit ever, then. Kids who are forced into a life of constant academic are going to have a high chance of wanting to do stupid, immature shit just for the sake of letting go.

>>94121994

What was it before the 7?

>>94122092
Who hurted you anon?

That scene was one of the best in the movie. Ultimately, his 'motivation' was Spider-Man. That's why he's fucking telling himself "come on Spider-Man etc." Before this point, he doesn't think he's good enough as Spider-Man alone, that he can't get out of the rubble without his fancy suit or Iron Man's help.

People are buttmad he was acting like an actual teenager, but I liked the movie's overlapping theme of Spider-boy wanting to become Spider-man, instead of pretending to be a man.

>>94121360

Dick Riding Tony Stark, Spider Boy Homecoming

>>94122092
>They didn't need to beat me
Than why did they do it?

>>94122351
They didn't.
That doesn't mean so many kids don't deserve it.

>>94122237

It was good until an echo of uncle iron mans voice motivates him.

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>>94122355
>They didn't.
Than who did? Why are you so edgy?

>>94122372
>Than who did?
Nobody, although i've seen retards stop being retards after taking a good beating.

>Why are you so edgy?
As opposed to think these kids who start getting drunk at 11 are worth any respect?

>>94122389
>As opposed to think these kids who start getting drunk at 11 are worth any respect?
What the shit are you even talking about? is that what you think kids do nowadays?

>>94122401
No, it's what I see, along the street and what i've seen happen to some retarded family members.

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>>94122407
>and what i've seen happen to some retarded family members.
Tell me about your issues anon. i'll be your psychiatrist.

>>94122429
Nothing, I lead a pretty happy life, get along fine with my parents and i'm getting pretty close with a girl. And I have enough will to endure the collapsing society around me.
Just sad that it's collapsing because parents have no idea how to educate their children.

>>94122407

So your anecdotal evidence trumps Anon's anecdotal evidence? Gotcha.

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>>94122443
>Nothing
Obviously not if you're bitching about how adults need to abuse their kids on a comic book imageboard.

>>94121988

>Enjoy your kindergarden level struggles. I hope he wont have to give up his dream of joining the badminton club

Yes how dare a Spider-Man movie be something other then Peter crying about how much life sucks and he hates himself. Because it's not like the ASM movies weren't just that for five fucking hours.

I don't understand why /co/ wants Spider-Man to be The Crow. He has bad shit happen to him, but it's not an endless pain train.

>>94122457
Actually, i've seen it much worse in other places like Spain and Italy.

>>94122462
>abuse
Punishing retardation is abuse?
There's no point in complicating this, parents have no idea how to educate their children, and don't slap them when they should, so they think they can get away with anything.

>Peter does reckless thing with ship
>puts innocent people in danger
>bites more than he can chew
>wants to prove himself
Tony shits on him.

>Peter does a reckless thing AGAIN
>puts fucking whole streets in danger
>literally could've died
>still wants to prove himself
"OMG PETE-KUN YOU ARE SUGOI YOU SAVED OUR HULKBUSTER"

Fuck this movie.

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>>94122473
>Punishing retardation is abuse?
Using psychical force on a family member for anything other defense is domestic abuse. this isn't debatable. it's the definition of the word. argue with the english language if you don't like it.

>>94122495
That's the fastest way to educate kids.
A few slaps early in their lives, and they won't do it again.
Call it however you want, it doesn't change anything.

>>94122389
>As opposed to think these kids who start getting drunk at 11 are worth any respect?

Where the fuck do you live that this even happens enough to be a valid example?

>>94122505
Boston.

>>94122475
>OMG PETE-KUN YOU ARE SUGOI YOU SAVED OUR HULKBUSTER"
What else is he gonna do? Shit on Peter again, when he stopped a bunch of high tech weaponry and arc rectors from being nicked by a big bird man?

He failed on the ship and Iron Man ha to come and save him/everyone else. In the final fight, he didn't fail and Iron Man didn't have to come save him or anyone else. There is a difference.

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>>94122501
Except they grow up to be violent people? notice how almost ever serial killer comes from a bad family with a dad that beats them.

>>94122509
Oh that explains. everybody stop trying to reason with this guy he's not a person.

>>94122522
You do know almost everyone born in the 40's and 50's got slapped a couple of times when they were kids, right?
And guess what, those were the last generation to be generally decent parents.

>>94122475

Peter jumping on a boat full of people to stop them isn't the same as stopping them from steal a cargo planes worth of expensive and dangerous equipment from Tony fucking Stark.

>>94122529
Don't worry, I don't consider most of them "people" either.

>>94122530
>You do know almost everyone born in the 40's and 50's got slapped a couple of times when they were kids, right?
If they were good parents why weren't their children good parents?

>>94122501
There is a reason hitting your kids is outlawed in civilized countries.

People who hit their kids have higher likelihood of producing people who'll grow up using physical force to intimidate others or get their way. same way people who fiddle their kids have a higher risk of producing kids who grow up to become fiddlers themselves.

A parent who's reduced to hitting a child out of frustration or anger instead of using their brains and words is a failure as a human being.

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>>94122548
You have to go back.

>>94122550
Because society became full of pussies.
Correcting your children became "domestic abuse".

>>94122557
>There is a reason hitting your kids is outlawed in civilized countries.
And look at the current state of the so called civilized countries.

>People who hit their kids have higher likelihood of producing people who'll grow up using physical force to intimidate others
Honestly, a dose of that kind of people wouldn't be all that bad, seeing how manchildren are a gigantic part of modern society, people who need "safe spaces" because words send them into depression.

>A parent who's reduced to hitting a child out of frustration or anger instead of using their brains
It's not anger.
You behave like a retard, you get treated like a retard.
Screaming mindlessly is pointless, just slap him in the face and that's it.

>>94122530
In the 40's and 50's child psychology wasn't a thing and there was little research done on the effect of this form of child upbringing.

Guess what, we're in 2017 and every single study shows it doesn't do anything good in the long run and has a risk of backfiring and causing problems for the kid later in life.

>>94122530
>And guess what, those were the last generation to be generally decent parents.
So, you just obsessed with a generation you weren't alive for because every one was racist and tv was in black and white or some shit? That seems like a weird thing to soapbox about on a imageboard.

>>94122572
>It's not anger.
What is it then? You get mad because the kid acts like a retard, so you act like retard in return and hit them?

>>94122572
>Because society became full of pussies.
So they were raised wrong than? that means they were bad parents.

>>94122586
>Guess what, we're in 2017 and every single study shows it doesn't do anything good in the long run
Guess what, we're in 2017 and everyone's fucking retarded.

>>94122587
Racism has nothing to do with this.
Idealism itself is cancer, civilians should never be involved in politics unless they want to become politicians themselves.

>>94122596
No, you do it in order to educate your kid.

>>94122572
>Hitting your kids is good and makes them smart. but adults who got hit as a kid won't hit their kids and that makes them dumb.
????????????????????

>>94122611
>you do it in order to educate your kid.
Because violence is the best form of education for a species who has the ability to talk and reason.

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>>94122611
>Idealism itself is cancer, civilians should never be involved in politics unless they want to become politicians themselves.
Seriously what went wrong in your life man. you went fucking insane.

>>94122622
No, retards started restricting the ability for parents to properly educate their children.
Slowly, this has lead to them not even bothering with punishments, now kids think they can get away with anything because no punishment is being given for their retardation when they are young enough.

>>94122627
Too bad the average person doesn't stop being a loud, irrational brat until their 20's, acting more based on their emotions than on their brains.

>>94122631
What's the point of it?
Have people fight over dead ideologies?
Look at all the retards fighting around you over nazis and communists.
Those ideologies died decades ago, and now they pretend they are fighting back?
Antifas?
Alt-right?
Where the fuck did these retards even come from?
Oh, that's right, being educated, or NOT being educated, by retards.

>>94121680
>Superhero movies are the bottom of the barrel of cinema
>saying this with a straight face on
>when shit like Bayformers, Fast & Furious, Resident Evil, Underworld, and Twilight exists
You deserve to marathon the aforementioned for that.

>>94122662
I have.
Even Bayformers has one thing you can praise, which is having CGI that doesn't look like a goddamn PS3 videogame.

>>94122651
>Too bad the average person doesn't stop being a loud, irrational brat until their 20's, acting more based on their emotions than on their brains
And that's where, you as an adult or parent has to teach them how to use their brains and deal with negative emotions properly, instead of hitting.

>>94122651
>communism died decades ago
I don't know where to begin. i don't have the time to refute every idiotic thing you say. it would take hours. What's. Wrong. With. You.

>>94122668
How did you get through it? Had to turn Last Knight off halfway-through, it was insufferable.

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>>94122651
>Look at all the retards fighting around you over nazis and communists.
>Those ideologies died decades ago

>>94122651
>retards retards retards retards retards
Get a thesaurus.

>>94122674
Or you can just slap them, tell them to stop being retarded, and make them grow the fuck up.

>>94122676
You can argue that there's North Korea, but is there anything else aside from fatass 12 year olds wearing shirts with the commie symbol while taking selfies on their $999 iPhones?

>>94122687
If I remember correctly, Nazi Germany and the Soviets are gone.
Nazi Germany was the only place with nazism, and communism is borderline extinct after the Soviets, only thing left is North Korea, and some dying countries like Venezuela.

But this is irrelevant, tell me, what's the point of being an idealist?
Crying on Twitter over politicians who will fuck you over the moment you get them into power?

>>94122110
>hurted

>>94122683
Haven't watched TLK.
I refuse to pay for these movies, and the only thing you can pirate are camrips, and since the only thing worthwhile is the special effects, it would be pointless.

>>94122743
>Or you can just slap them, tell them to stop being retarded, and make them grow the fuck up.
clearly didn't work with you.

>>94122743
>Nazi Germany was the only place with nazism
>I got this "88" tattoo when I was working for George H.W. Bush's first presidential campaign, really!

>>94122743
>North Korea
>$999 iPhones
>Communist
>No mention of cuba
>Not understanding that nazism existed before the nazi party,
Just stop. it's sad at this point.

>>94122760
Only got drunk about 3 times in my life, all of them in the past 2 years, never smoked and actually have a career, plus I didn't spend the entire 2016 bitching on Twitter over the two retards running for the House.
I think i'm doing pretty well.

>>94122763
Are you comparing the Third Reich with a bunch of kids on the internet?

>>94122765
>No mention of cuba
Ah yes, the country that treats foreigners better than it's own citizens because they completely depend on turism to not completely collapse.
Any other examples of this completely not dead ideology?
Maybe China, the factory of every company of the western world?

>>94121723
did he know?

>>94121360
Were Spider-Man fans always the Sonicfags of capeshit or is this a new development?

>>94122092
>modern parents
You make it sound like you were born and raised in the early twentieth century or something.

>>94121360
>Holy fuck did anyone else get triggered?
No because I'm not autistic

>>94122043
That's the train scene desu

>>94121360
Maybe you should stop eating other people's popcorn you pick up off the floor you disgusting degenerate

>>94121733
>Smart kids are exempt from being assholes
No
Having the ability to do things doesn't dictate how mature you are

>>94121661
>>94121696
Fuck off Jameson

>>94121542
Have you never been to a high school party?

>>94121708
Literally false. I know you didn't interact with anyone in highschool but you could at least have this much awareness

>>94122795
>Only got drunk about 3 times in my life, all of them in the past 2 years, never smoked and actually have a career, plus I didn't spend the entire 2016 bitching on Twitter over the two retards running for the House.
Instead you bitch about literal children on the cartoons and comics board on 4chan

>>94122469

>I don't understand why /co/ wants Spider-Man to be The Crow. He has bad shit happen to him, but it's not an endless pain train.

This movie was the opposite. All his pains were conveniently aided by something.

>Fragile Aunt May = Hot capable MILF
>Struggles in Battle = Iron Man Tech Suit
>Whether he can believe in himself = Uncle Tony
>Dealing with loneliness = KAREN
>The weight of secrets = Chats with Ned about everything

This movie is just offensive.

>>94121696
Jameson! You are a big retard!

Why did they make a White Miles Morales movie?

>>94129518
Because of racism.

>>94121428
Man I never got aunt may
She's gotta be around his parents' ages so if you want her to look like in the old days grandma may would make more sense

>>94121516
Job security, bitch.

>>94122106
9/10

>>94129634
>implying that everyone have kids at their 20s or 30s
>what is older brother/sister?

>>94121360
Wasn't his motivation that if he's nothing without the suit he doesn't deserve it? That if he can only be Spider-Man with the suit he isn't Spider-Man?

The voice over was stupid, but Tony alone wasn't the reason he got out of the rubble.

>>94130070

The most accurate meaning behind it:
>DISNEY: We are only renting Spidey, so let's use him to popularize the MCU while reminding everyone that he is nothing without the A-List Avengers. Keep sucking our dick and cut his potential in half, and obviously never allow him to be the face of the Marvel Universe because we don't own his movie rights.

Get a whiff of the true putrid stench anon.

>>94121708
College humor and shows like Jackass disagree.

>>94130252
I didn't get that stench. More like they needed the Avengers to lure people into the sixth reboot of a movie franchise with a terrible track record.

Not like it worked anyhow.

>>94121360
So what's the deal with the Spider-Sense ??

He had it on Civil War, the disappeared on Homecoming, now it's back again for Infinity War.

Does Marvel has the exclusive right for it maybe?

>>94121564
Sony Studios

>ITT: Hitting children made us win against the communists.

>>94121808
>Peter Parker is supposed to be torn between his 2 lives with no one to help him

That is the biggest draw to the character you retard. His entire shtick is how he tends to sacrifice his daily life for hero duty and gets nothing out of doing so. How the fuck do you miss the point of a character this badly?

>>94121360
>screaming for help
I sit up in my seat.
>sees the half mask in water
I grab the sides of my seat
>be spider-man be spider-man
I'm in the aisle
>does the iconic pose
I left.

2 hours in abd THAT's when I realised that was all the movie was. A crappy teen Deadpool. Pg-13 Diary of a Wimpy Kid with 3 scenes of fanservice.
The only movie I've walked out on. Ever. Just glad I didn't pay for it.

>>94121542
How else would you know he was gay? Typically High School men that constantly talk about male genitals or make constant homophobic remarks when not necessary, they're the gay ones.
>>94121772
Yeah. The taste of penis.

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>>94121360
uh..no? Tony was not the 'primary motivator' for Peter. Its just that Tony represented an extremely high end career opportunity.
Uncle Ben was sprinkled throughout the movie is you werent too autistic and busy forcing yourself to throw up to see it.
but nice bait

The whole movie is about Spiderman fucking up and Tony Stark saving the day. If Spiderman hadn't been in the movie, the plot would have been resolved in like 5 minutes.

>>94132948
That happens once anon. Spider-Man fucks up badly once and Tony Stark has to save him.

Tony didn't know Vulture was going to attack his invisible jet and steal a bunch of arc reactors, Spider-Man stopped him and saved the day with no involvement from Tony. He wasn't even using the suit Tony gave him.

>>94122693
He probably refuses to do so unless someone beats him into doing it.

>>94122522
>This guy doesn't know about negetive reinforcement.
When words fail, you get more people as to be noticed. That doesn't work with kids. When words fail with kids, a slap won't.

>>94121806
Pff...
If he had said he was about to graduate, you would have called him too young or immature to understand.

You gave him a woman logic level question, or what I like to call a shotgun question. No matter how they answer, they're going to get shot down.

>>94133041
The movie was fine until the fight at the ATM and maaaybe the fight during the party. Then Spiderman decides to take it on his own and fucks everything up.

Tony Stark sets a bunch of FBI agents to investigate the Vulture, he'd have easily figured out about the hijacking and perhaps catch him earlier.

What ended up happening was that Spiderman did a bunch of dumb things (taking the glowy rock, bringing it to Washington, hacking the suit, getting on the ferry alone, deciding to challenge the Vulture on his own at the end), and the whole plot was Spiderman fixing up the mistake he just created every time.

And whenever Iron Man shows up he's a literal Deus Ex Machina. Putting just the minimal effort he'd have solved the movie in a few minutes with no casualties.

>>94131887
I'm very confused.
You're criticising that poster, for words that you disagree with because.. they were exactly the same thing you said?

I think you misunderstood them.
Or do you normally call people who agree with you retards?

>>94121808
Yeah, the stakes were really low for this movie. The world doesn't need to be saved, I enjoyed that it was a small-scale story about the neighborhood (for the most part.) But the personal stakes were laughable for Peter. Even by highschool standards. Personal stakes are good in a movie, and should be a bit bigger for Spider-Man. The movie has the potential to spawn really good sequels, but I don't really like Homecoming.

>>94122522
Nope.

I used to binge watch the ID network on TV that showed nothing but stories about real murders. Half to 2/3rds of killers actually came from a nice family and we're boring looking mild mannered people.

The truth is, it is a mental disorder you can be born with.

Here's a example with a quote that stuck with me:

"I couldn't stand it. I tried to not do anything for weeks but. I killed the kid so I could masturbate because I couldn't stand it anymore." 17 year old kid who could not climax without seeing a dead body.

>>94129634
Some people have more kids long after their other kids are older.

How old were Peter's parents when they had him, anyway?

>>94121360
What's wrong with the rubble scene...
If it was Terry McGinnis and Bruce Wayne would you be complaining....

Wait, this is like.....Marvel Batman Beyond wasn't it.

>>94121708
I don't think you've been to high school

>>94132796
>A crappy teen Deadpool. Pg-13 Diary of a Wimpy Kid with 3 scenes of fanservice.

This pretty much.

>>94133421

People on this board probably have higher stakes in their life than Spider-Man in this movie.

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>>94134226

Anon, maybe this will help you understand.

>>94134632
That's very, very true.

>>94134747
see in this version. Peter was worried about saving others even in the face of his own demise. In Homecoming he was whining like a bítch. "critics" will love this scene; saying "It makes you realise he's just a kid!" But if you look at both of these it just makes Homecoming Peter come off as selfish.

>>94121360
His motivation wasn't Tony. He ended up kinda of agreeing with vulture speech, but Vulture was still wrong. why didn't he accept to be in the Avengers? Because being Tony (and a high school drop-out) wasn't his goal anymore.

The motivation was proving he was capable of doing things himself.

>>94121661
as a fan I really liked this spiderman and it's the closer to comicbook to date, at least in Peter character.
Raimi one not only was too autistic, but kinda lacked the mistakes or growth of HS spidey
Garfield was a totally different character all along, a chad trying to be a nerd, not even close
Holland is spot on.
My only real problems are notganke and liz being the daughter of the fucking vulture, evne if it was a cool twist

>>94121360

It wasn't Tony, it was the fact that he wanted to prove that he was more than the suit. You know, since he didn't have the suit, it was the point in the movie when things were the toughest.

aka

>Anyone can win a fight -- when the odds are easy!
>It's when the going's tough - when there seems to be no chance - that's when it counts!

>>94135846

Yes, and that lesson came from Tony Stark. His voiceover was even played to make it obvious.

Thats like saying nah, spiderman didnt protect people because of uncle ben. He was just trying to live life with great power comes great responsibility. It had nothin to do with uncle ben bro.

His motivation the entire film was literally "I want a job."
People who say this is the most faithful Spider-man in live action just because he is a high school kid (which stopped being the case in the comics since the fucking late 70s) are deluded.

>>94135207
Dude was stuck in rubble thinking he would die of course he would be freaking the fuck out. It doesn't mean he doesn't want to get out of there BECAUSE he wants to stop The Vulture and stop those weapons from getting in the hands of murderers and killers. It's just movies can't have expository thought boxes Anon. Like IRL movies can be subtle and just trust that you're smart enough to know the emotional context of the situation.

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>>94136178
>smart enough to know the emotional context of the situation
Do you know where you are? /tv/ is full of autistic fucks and /pol/sters.
These are the same people that can't stand a TV/Film because the main character is an unlikable douche.
The same people that don't realize that you aren't supposed to like the unlikable douche.
Pic-fucking-related.

>>94121428
You say it lowers the weight of responsibility but I would say it raises it since his main arc is going from a selfish super hero to a selfless one
He went from worshiping stark and wanting to be a part of super hero celebrity to someone who wants to be a heroic person for himself.

It's, admittedly, a lot different from the core Spider-Man stories where Peter has no motivation to use his powers heroically before Uncle Ben. But I think it makes sense given that this movie is set in a larger context where selfless heroes have been a staple of life since the main character was 6-7

So yeah it's not a matter of good vs evil for Peter but there's still a weight of responsibility. It's just responsibility to oneself vs a larger moral scale

>>94121988
The point of giving him the tech was to have him reach a high point in his super-hero delusions.
When it's taken away, Peter literally stops all his heroing because he doesn't see a reason to do it anymore if he's not getting recognition and fulfilling his fantasy
Making the aunt more capable was done to put more focus on how Peter's hero-worship clashes with his irresponsibility. If his aunt was having financial issues, Peter likely wouldn't have the same outlook on his powers and thus the focus of the movie would be split

>>94121360

The worst part about that was the quote being echoed

Like holy shit that was maximum cheese even for a superhero movie

>>94122522
He said slapped.

Not punched, raped, burned, starved or emotionally-brainwashed.

>>94136020
>People who say this is the most faithful Spider-man in live action just because he is a high school kid (which stopped being the case in the comics since the fucking late 70s) are deluded.

Just looked it up and PP actually graduated in ASM 28, from 1965.

And yet over the past few years I've heard about seven stupid men on comics podcasts talking about how wonderful it is to finally be seeing the "real" Spidey on film. I know for a fact these people have only read a smattering of the Ditko issues.

How the fuck does Disney manage this level of mind control?

>Show an out of character protagonist and a supporting cast that's 95 unrecognizable.
>Watch as manbabies swoon over it all and insist for the rest of their lives that it's so faithful and respectful to the source material.

Remember MCU versions of Ultron and Mandarian. Now think about how many times you heard dweebs complaining about how "off" Apocalypse was in the last X-Men film. Compared to what?

>>94121696
>Spiderman... will make the entire MCU revolve around him

Can't happen as long as he's owned by Sony. Disney could never structure one of their huge cash cows around a character whose film rights they don't own. Spider-man will exist in solo-films and show up for team-ups, but he'll never be the shoves-his-face-into-every-other-character's-movie juggernaut that RDJ is right now.

>>94135207

I think the scene itself was fine, its just the fact that I'm aware of what it's based off of that irks me.

Like, in the movie it was your standard dig-deep-to-go-get-the-bad-guy moment. And, to his credit, Holland really did a good job of ditching his superhero voice and channeling the scared kid who's about to die. It was fine. Peter freaking out is fine--he's freaking out in the original too--it's just he's doing it in speech bubbles and for a different reason.

The reason is what gets me. In Homecoming, Peter had a bunch of good reasons to lift that building. He wanted to catch Vulture. He wanted to prove himself to Iron Man. He wanted to save himself, obviously. But in the original version he needed to lift the building to *save* people. That's what bugs me about the scene. It's one of Spider-man's big, iconic selfless moments and they changed the message from "save people" to "prove yourself". It felt like whoever adapted the scene missed the point of the original and was just using it as window-dressing.

Maybe I'm being too critical. I don't know.

>>94121708
I don't know who you interacted with but that was pretty typical of in-memes in high school
>>94136943
I think it's perfectly fine to criticize the character of Peter here
I mean I kinda figured from the beginning that he had this ambient desire to help people but that a lot of this movie's arc was going from him looking for recognition to him being a hero for its own sake. I don't even think Uncle Ben ever met Peter or existed in this one.

I think the scene and movie were good but I never act like Peter here is a better person than Maguire's Peter who was on the level of Superman in terms of moral integrity.
Here he's a good character but not a good person, or as much of a good person as he's been in other movies or comics


As a last note, this Peter is still a better person than Garfield's Peter in my book

>>94136943
You know I don't think Peter saved anyone in this movie. But at least he had good intentions. He wanted to help people because he had too. I remember getting hyped on the trailer showing the boat scene and Peter going "No No No No." He cares. That's good.
The problem is despite his well intentions it still stands he didn't save anyone. He did more harm than good 3/4 of the time he puts on the suit (I didn't see the Final Fight).
It's like they took the concept of "Woop dee do Park Luck eh?" and pushed it up to 100. He's more like Spawn than Spidey.
No scratch that. It's literally a movie about a teen pretending to be Spider-Man.
>Inb4 You don't NEED to save a person to be a hero lol
Then why make it a Spider-Man movie??

>>94121542
I thought it was funny. Flash is a new type of bully. He's fresh and hip in a dorky sort of way. It's 2017, gramps.

>>94137445
He saved Vulture when Vulture's suit exploded and was stuck in a fire

>>94121733
>No it's not, if Parker was a kid nobody liked they wouldn't be so obssesed with him to start chants at a party he already left.
The point was that a the story got around that Peter was claiming he knew Spider-Man, and was going to being him to the party. When he ditched, it confirmed people's suspicions that he was bullshitting .

>>94137545
What happened after? I assume Keaton got sent up the river. Lost his family and way of making money. It's the stolen bike scene all over again.

>>94122572
>You behave like a retard, you get treated like a retard.
You mean getting help from people so you can learn good manners without physical punishment?

>>94137704
He went to prison, Liz moves out of state and tells Peter to stop being a bitch, after-credits scene has Vulture keep Peter's identity secret when he was asked in prison

>>94137445
>It's literally a movie about a teen pretending to be Spider-Man.
Yes. I feel that was a deliberate point the movie was making. He isn't fully a man yet, let a lone a Spider-Man. Like this >>94122237
anon mentions, it's Spider-Boy wanting to become Spider-Man, instead of just pretending.

>>94137849
Typical MCU doing it's own thing.
>"We know it's dumb. Don't worry your in on it as long as you pay for it."

>>94136178
This dude gets it.
I'm pretty sure homecoming Parker wasn't just thinking for himself near the end of the film. The dude gave up a chance to be in the Avengers for a reason. He had his aunt and friends to protect.

>>94137895
>He had his aunt and friends to protect.
No that's just him being buttmad that Stark didn't drop everything to save his bitch ass.

>>94135563
I hadn't really thought about it until now but it's not like it's new for Liz to have family in Spider-Man's rogues gallery on account of Molten Man.

>>94138077
First of all. No he isn't.
Secondly, despite that, I think that would've been a good decision to make. I think I would've liked to see Molten Man instead. Like if they wanted to keep the overall save the day plot small scale, they could've had him pushing drugs or getting hired to assasinate Stark and Pete has to save him. The best part would be the Villain and the Hero know each other. They come in contact everyday at school. He's the brother of the girl Peter likes. Peter is still trying to be a detective like the movie. Finding out who's selling the drugs to kids. By the time he and the fat guy realise Mark's gone off the deep end it's too late to warn Tony because Pete's messed up so much. Now he has to prove himself and he DOES end up saving a life. The life of his Hero.
But no. We had to make it related to the MCU somehow. Uhhh just throw in the tesseract or whatever.

>>94138762
>First of all. No he isn't.
What? He's her step-brother and they're shown to be pretty close, do you not consider that to be family?

>>94136404

He's still selfish AFTER uncle ben already died?

>>94139742
Homecoming Peter? I don't think he had an uncle ben.

Like he's never mentioned so I assumed he was never a character to begin with: aunt May has always been single

>>94121682
After reading Slott's run I 100% agree with this.

>>94122687
we're talking about real life, not the internet

>>94140182
I assume they alluded to Ben when Peter mentions aunt May has been through a lot.

Also
>When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then bad things happen, they happen because of you

>>94140808
What's the green text from? I don't think it's from homecoming or civil war, is it?

>>94140828
Civil War when Stark asks what his motivation is.

>>94121806
>people can't remember 7 years ago

I get triggered everytime someone says Homecoming is the perfect Spider-Man movie we have finally been waiting for. It is just so untrue and keeps getting repeated over and over like a hivemind on YouTube.

>>94121368
>why should we care about the primary motivator of the character?

>>94133071
>negetive reinforcement.
You mean the thing that's proven by literally every major study to not work?

>>94133431
>Coming from a nice family means they can't be abusive
Try again.

>>94143187
The theory that apparently DID work for 80+ years until some people took it too far and some purple hearted p*ssy decided ALL acts of punishment should be illegal? Yeah that's what I mean.

>>94143187
>child touches hot stove
>gets hurt
>never touches hot stove again
>"""""doesn't work"""""

>>94143565
The theroy that god was real and all non-believers should be executed worked for 500+ years.

>>94139266
Oh crap. You're right. I've always assumed Spec. Spider-man messed up Mark's last name from the comics. Sorry anon.

>>94143600
If you seriously think a 5 year old won't touch a hot stove after getting burned then you need to pay more attention in high school.

>>94143600
>A child sees it's parents and inanimate objects the same way
Just becauae you didn't have a father doesn't mean we didn't.

>>94143721
>The theroy that god was real
A way of life isn't a theory. Also what did that have to do with anything?
>>94143746
Ah. So I can assume you need to be told more then once until shite registers, yeah?
>>94143766
What on earth are you even talking about now?

>>94143817
>Ah. So I can assume you need to be told more then once until shite registers, yeah
Almost like the brain of a child isn't logical. You should know this considering you are one.

>>94143817
>Also what did that have to do with anything?
It worked in the past so it works now. Hint: We got rid of child abuse for a reason, we also got rid of church state for a reason. You're not too bright.

>>94143817
>What on earth are you even talking about now?
You're not old enough to be on this website.

>>94143817
Kys and stop shitting up the thread

>>94121708
You didn't have any friends in high school, did you?

>>94121360
>>94121542
Wtf I haven't seen this shit yet but is this true or are you guys just memeing?

>>94121500
I liked the movie. I would have liked it more without the SJW stuff, and.... What if after Toomes was locked up, Spidey researched into the man before he became Vulture, goaded by the "they don't care about us" monologue?
And Spidey found out about Tony running Toomes & his crew off of their contracted job, setting him on the path of becoming a villain since 'the system' failed him?

I think it could have made the ending where Parker turns down the Avengers job and the new suit, and gives Tony a really deep look to let the audience know that he knew what was up. And that he was going to take a stand for the little guy, come hell or high water.
That's just my feeling on it.

>>94143953
>Almost like the brain of a child isn't logical.
You do realise kids don't stay babies don't you? All children learn through a mixture of experience and by watching others. By the time a kid reaches 5 years of age they can tell what's right and wrong; what will hurt them if they do something.
I think you're getting mixed up. I'm not talking about that natral development of kids or how their surroundings affect their mental nurturing. I'm arguing against your claim that negetive reinforcement doesn't work.

>>94143980
>It worked in the past so it works now. Hint: We got rid of child abuse for a reason, we also got rid of church state for a reason. You're not too bright.
What are you trying to say? Your firsr sentence is formed like you agree with me. The second sentence, however, goes on a completely different topic.
Look. You can write all of your thoughts down. I promise I'll read it thoroughly when you post them.

>>94143997
>>94144012
>Le " Kill Yourself, you kid"reply
What's next? Gonna call me a n*gger? Comb through my posts for a mispelled word? I'm surprised you aren't utilising the SpongeMock meme by now, considering how typical, predictable, and overall Facebook-tier your banter is.

>>94144175
That would be interesting... if Peter showed any indication his family was doing poor or scraping by. MCU Peter isn't going to be some Thomas Jefferson/Abe Lincoln common man. He's a millenial. Everything he needs will get handed to him.

>>94121846
Amazing sucked too, but we are talking about Homecoming.

>>94144219
I gotta say, from listening to you, your idea of negative enforcement probably involves a belt.
You know what happens to kids who get beat?
They grow up to have massive mental health issues and vote democratic, and I have a sneaking suspicion that your the type of person who doesn't truck with that.

>>94144090

Not meme. Please man, do not pay or support this garbage in any way. Pirate it if u have to see it.

>>94144582
A belt is a weapon. Anything that isn't physically attached to your person is a weapon. Using that can constitute as abuse these days. That doesn't mean it won't work. Personally, I don't condone using anything but a hand, for now. But even if it was acceptable, there are other ways.
That's the one thing that is con with negetive reinforcement. Human children don't learn the way a dog does when it won't bark after it gets shocked with a shock collar if you put it on. Children are constantly looking for approval. From 2-6 it's from their parents. From 7 onward it's from their peers. The trick to stopping a kid from being the degenerates you see today is by letting them know on both fronts their actions aren't acceotable.
E.G. A 5-year-old yells inanities at no one in particular during a social gathering. The parent yells at her or cuffs her on the ear. Everyone sees. The kid starts to cry not because she's hurt but because she's utterly, thoroughly embearassed. The same goes if an 11-year-old does it at school. The other kids tell her to cut the crap (in the rude kid way). That's how they learn.