Is Western Animation finally taking over? >Castlevania confirmed

>>93999671
>DevilMan

isn't that made by Japanese Studio Polygon Pictures?

>>93999671
America and Japan have always had a back and forth of taking inspiration from each other's animation styles. If you think that we're starting to see a shift come back into the western side, then I hope you're right.

>>93999671
Wow man, 3 cartoons.
>Using kino unironicaly
Kill yourself /tv/

>>93999671
Castlevania completely inspired by anime, right down to the cheap, shoddy "animation" used in everything but a few fight scenes.
Devilman is literally an anime character.
Samurai Jack was trash for nostalgia babbys.

>>93999772
kino is a patrician word

>>93999803
please go back to plebbit

File: hilda_lukepearson-1280x600.jpg (107KB, 1280x600px) Image search: [Google]

107KB, 1280x600px

>>93999671
i want to point you also forget Voltron and Trollhunters as a pretty good action cartoons.

But if you look back you can realise this is by netflix standars more than American

>DevilMan
In what demented world is this "western"?
>based on a Japanese comic
>made in Japan for Japanese audience
>directed by a Japanese man
>written by a Japanese man
?????

>>93999671
>>Moeshit has confirmed that 99% of Japanese anime is shit starring teenagers in a school setting, no matter the genre
Isn't this the same of american cartoons? SU, Star, TTGO, AT, and Gravity Falls are all about that same age range of kids

>>93999671
>Moeshit has confirmed that 99% of Japanese anime is shit starring teenagers in a school setting, no matter the genre
Current season:
>36 full length anime series premiering
>12 TV shorts premiering
>8 2 cour shows carrying over from last season
A total of 56 anime have new episodes premiering on TV every week right now.

Out of those, ~22 have a school setting of some kind.

You couldn't even manage to watch every anime without a school setting this season even if you wanted to, there's simply too many.

Fact is you probably just don't like anime in general and use "moeshit" as an excuse to not watch any.

File: marvels-new-anime-marvel-future-avengers-is-coming-out-this-summer11.jpg (197KB, 750x1066px) Image search: [Google]

197KB, 750x1066px

>>93999671
Devilman Crybaby is by Masaaki Yuasa and his studio Science Saru. Wouldn't actually say that is Western.

The highscool setting in anime is the same as the highschool setting in American teen TV (aimed at teenagers), only by a an undefined factor because adult working life in Japan is true terror and the otaku with disposable income for late night anime look back with rose tinted glassed on their teen years or have uniform fetishes. Late night anime is its own ecosystem really.
Which is why streaming services make room for more varied content outside of terrible light novel adaptations.

If you aren't a multi studio coop like Ultra Super Pictures that can negotiate rights for many different studios. Which is how for example Hiroyuki Imahishi have worked for both Titmouse, Zansigen and Disney.

The popular saturday morning toons are still Detective Conan, Pretty Cure, One Piece, Crayon Chin Chan, etc.

I think the current TV Tokyo saturday morning animation ratings are: One Piece, Pretty Cure and newcomer My Hero Academia. Which is basically Spiderman goes to Xaviers School For Gifted Youngsters and becoming mentored by Superman.

Oh yeah, new Avengers anime this season and a proper one this time. Three kids with superpowers want to be mentored by the Avengers.

>>94000355
I agree with you on everything but this
>You couldn't even manage to watch every anime without a school setting this season even if you wanted to, there's simply too many.

Clearly you've never met someone who literally gets NEETbux from the government

>>93999671
HAHAHAHA
Western Animation beating Japan? yeah good one

>>94000355

Do you have a single fact to back any of this up?

>>94000755
anichart.net

File: Untitled.jpg (2MB, 2008x2488px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2008x2488px

>>94000861
>>94000355

Checked it and you're downright lying you filthy weeb loser

>>94001242
Right off the bat, I notice you've marked New Game and Sakura Quest, both of which are about young professionals in the work world, not a school setting

>>94001242
Why would you just copy and paste the same size star? It'd be much easier and looks better.

>>93999803
Kino is a shitty stale /tv/ meme

File: confused ayylmao.png (1MB, 1242x697px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1242x697px

>>93999671
>DevilMan
>Western

File: Untitled.png (1022KB, 1163x380px) Image search: [Google]

1022KB, 1163x380px

>>94001320

Put it under Moeshit then you filthy weeb.

Still though, you're way off with your "22~" figure, it's literally well over 80% with that pathetic loser setting with over 95% having a huge focus on moeshit and waifu bait

>>94001424
You literally marked fujobait that takes place outside of a school setting on your list. You have no idea what you're talking about.

File: Pretending_to_be_retarded.jpg (65KB, 533x301px) Image search: [Google]

65KB, 533x301px

>>94001424

>>94001460

Not an argument.

You threw an arbitrary figure of 22 which is waaaay off the actual count.

It's over double that you degenerate loser weeb.

>>94001521
I'm not that guy, but I'll go actually count them, and he'll probably be right.

File: 1489436854631.jpg (62KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 1280x720px

>>93999671
>Samurai Jack was Animated kino

>>94001540

>Not that guy

Sure m8, sure.


Just go through the list I made and tell me the ones I got wrong.

It's literally double the bullshit number he gave

File: Untitled.jpg (2MB, 2798x2488px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2798x2488px

>>94001602
I don't know why you're being such an autist, but ok.

You got eight wrong, and were counting OVAS and movies which were not in the original 22 he was counting.

>>93999671
>Castlevania confirmed 11/10

We'll see. I was unimpressed with it's rabid anti-clericalism but season 2 might get better.

>Samurai Jack was animated shit
ftfy

>>94001950
You forgot New Game! and Isekai wa Smartphone to Tomo ni, the former taking place after high school and the latter not even taking place on earth

>>93999671
wait... there's a new devilman?

>>94002030
Shit, I did. I even mentioned New Game the first time. Anyway, this guy's an idiot

>>94002042
Directed by Yuasa, no less.

File: LOL.jpg (457KB, 2772x566px) Image search: [Google]

457KB, 2772x566px

>>94001950

>Nora to Oujo to Noraneko Heart
>Skirt no Naka wa Kedamono Deshita.
>Hell girl
>Hitorijime My Hero

>"Not a school setting"

Nice try you weeb faggot

>>94002321
You're right, I fucked up on Hitorijime and Nora, but Hell Girl is episodic and doesn't have a specific setting other than "modern day japan" and Skirt is College Life. I guess you could call that a school setting if you're really determined too, although they function completely differently as settings.

Also, as previously noted, I missed two, so you still got eight wrong, and were counting two categories that weren't in the original 22

File: 1452394527383.gif (4MB, 640x333px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 640x333px

>>94002321
still relying on pictures? because it seems like that's what you did the first time around and that obviously didn't work

I'm just wondering who will make the Kingdom Hearts movie/TV show/OVA/limited series.

>Hey let's make a TV show
>Nah Disney isn't feeling the crossover TV stuff
>Hey let's make a move
>Nah Square doesn't think it'll work as a movie

One of these sides has to give eventually.

>>93999671
>DevilMan looks amazing
But devilman is japanese production.

>>94001424
Then why is ballroom there? That aint moeshit at all

>Shitposting is saving /co/

File: Zoinkers.jpg (252KB, 1280x819px) Image search: [Google]

252KB, 1280x819px

>>93999856
>Trollhunters
hell yeah

>>93999794
>Samurai Jack was trash for nostalgia babbys.
That ripped off anime for its finale.

File: american vs japan.jpg (221KB, 1222x658px) Image search: [Google]

221KB, 1222x658px

another weeb thread

Moeshit is a meme.

>>94003038
Kingdom Hearts's plot is pretentious garbage. who wants to watch that shit?

>>93999730
Science Saru, actually.

You might recognize them from that one Japanese-animated episode of Adventure Time.

>>94005686
me

>>93999671
>it's another /co/ is insecure about anime thread

>>93999671
But the new Jack was hot garbage other than the first 3 episodes.

>>94006125
This wouldn't happen if /co/ actually bothered to watch more international cartoons.

>>93999671
Uhhh...

>Castlevania is a 5/10 at best, your better off watching Rick & Morty.
>Castlevania is ditched to a Korean studio.
>Samurai Jack is still a embarrassment as the paper mache style will always be represented by South Park and nobody wants that.
>DevilMan is still 100% Japanese and nobody asked for it.
>Animaniacs season 6 will like to have a word with you.
>>93999856
No they are not, they make Tex Avery turn in his grave.
>>94005918
99% of that episode was still done by Korean studios as it's clear as crystal day that nobody at the studio cared about doing outsourced work, it's why Pierrot's episodes of Korra looks so shoddy (but instead of Korean studios it's C & D rate Japanese studios like Magic Bus (AKA the Japanese Akom) & Actas) and in the end you would of been better off ditching it to Rough Draft.

File: 1498509109469.jpg (2MB, 1616x1887px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1616x1887px

>>94004721
Fixed and more PC.

>>93999671
>DevilMan looks amazing
I'm mad you actually tried to use Devilman as part of your troll attempt but I'll humor you and let you know that's still a regular anime just being sponsored by Netflix like Knights of Sidonia.

So you have 2 cartoons, one of which literally is over vs. the rest of an industry of lolsorandomcartoons

>>93999671
Anime has become far more influential. Castlevania itself was patterned so much after it that many people think it actually is anime. Avatar was based on anime. Voltron was originally an anime. Wakfu is based on anime. Animation in Asia is taking after anime. There is twice the number of TV anime being produced now than American shows. Anime movies are beating American movies at the Japanese box office every year except for Frozen (which Your Name was or is only a hair's breadth away from overtaking).

>Moeshit has confirmed that 99% of Japanese anime is shit starring teenagers in a school setting, no matter the genre
Moeshit doesn't exist, and your own comment shows why: it has no consistent meaning. Everyone just thinks they're talking about the same thing because they're using the same word.

>>93999740
Anime hasn't been influenced by American animation since the 1950s or 1960s. And yes I know you are going to cite PSG as the exception that proves me wrong, but it's a single show out of thousands and not fundamentally different from other anime.

>>93999794
Anime has the best animation in the world. Don't try to blame it on whatever problems Castlevania had.

>>94001242
Most of the shows you highlighted either don't take place in high school at all or have barely anything to do with it.

>>94001424
Yet another example of how moeshit doesn't mean anything.

Waifubait doesn't exist either.

File: 1498509109469.jpg (3MB, 1931x1887px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1931x1887px

>>94007662
PSG is a insult to the industry as showcased here.

>>93999671
How many comics get series and movie adaptions PER year again compared to mangas?

File: 847.png (667KB, 949x440px) Image search: [Google]

667KB, 949x440px

>>94007662
>Yet another example of how moeshit doesn't mean anything.
>Waifubait doesn't exist either.

Both do, and pic related shows the things I think marks them. The non-existent noses, the lack of any kind of depth in the face, no shading, just a blank slate, apart from some pink puffy cheeks. We had cute girls in previous decades, but none so simplified as today.

>>94007887
>quantity over quality

Wow, I'm convinced, you're so right.

>>94007982
I just explained why it doesn't mean anything.

People call things bait when they don't like them and when they project their dislike of that thing onto the creators. They also don't understand what a waifu is in the first place.

Certain kinds of character designs do not qualify as waifubait either. That doesn't even make sense. It indicates a lack of understanding of what a waifu is.

>>94004600
trollhunters would be just perfect in 2D
they could do it penn zero style and it'd be perfect

>>94007989
> 1 show every 5 years means it's a gem
Vs
> 100 shows and 30 movies from ALREADY established mangas theatre known to be at least good
Your argument only works if the shows didn't already have an established base

>>94007989
Neither industry is centrally managed. There is no board deciding whether to focus on quality or quantity.

>>93999671
>Samurai Jack
It was a poorly paced, poorly plotted piece of fanfiction from the creator himself.

Kino my ass.

>>94008041
>It was a poorly paced, poorly plotted piece of fanfiction from the creator himself.

You just described anime with this.

>>93999671
The school settings are there because japanese women are expected to be housewives at 25 whereas american strong independent women will only consider reproduction after 40.

>>94005686
me

>>94008137
Average marriage age has been pushed back in Japan too, and there is less of an expectation of women becoming housewives than in the past. The popularity of the high school setting has nothing to do with this anyway.

>>94008166
It's about trying to write characters that the viewers/readers find plausible and attractive. Conversely it's impossible to write a relatable american female character who didn't do at least the college football team every week.

>>94008137
I blame weak American men for not providing enough incentive

>>94008124
I don't care for anime in the first place.

>>94007662
I don't know if this is the infamous ironic weeb but
>Anime has the best animation in the world.
makes me think it's an unironic weeb since that is literally the furthest from the truth.

>>94008209
Would help if you posted proof to your counter argument

>>94008216
you made the claim m8. time to prove it.

File: 1477252748074.png (7KB, 470x454px) Image search: [Google]

7KB, 470x454px

Have you considered that maybe the reason why western animation blows ass compared to anime is because the asian market is just fucking huge compared to the western market?

Like, you realize that they dont just make anime for japs, right? That shit is spread all over asian TV. Even asian webcomics have animated trailers these days, look up the webtoons stuff.

Maybe it's just that there's physically more people involved in anime than there are people involved in western animation? ESPECIALLY considering americans have a weird standard of having all their entertainment be centralized around hollywood, but also outsource all their VFX including animation to other countries?

File: ogp_0312.jpg (516KB, 1140x597px) Image search: [Google]

516KB, 1140x597px

>>93999671
The real animated Kino will be saving anime this fall though.

>>94008224
I'm not that anon though so I don't.

>>94008286
I don't remember Trigger announcing that

File: poptepipic.png (444KB, 638x637px) Image search: [Google]

444KB, 638x637px

>>94008286
wrong show, friend, let me fix that for you

>>94008199
It's not like every anime character is in high school. Shirobako, Sakura Quest and New Game for example are about adult women. Kemono Friends is about animal girls which have no equivalent in the real world.

>>94008209
I detest ironic weebs, so I guess I'm not the infamous ironic weeb.

It literally isn't the furthest from the truth. There is no animation industry in the world better than the Japanese one. We don't live in a world of equal outcomes or a world where America just happens to be the best at everything regardless of actual merit.

>>94008231
Overseas sales were significant from 2002 to 2008, evidently because of the American anime boom. After that bubble popped, overseas sales were small from 2009 to 2014. Now they've increased significantly because of streaming, but I don't know how big of a percentage Asia is compared to America/the West. But even if overseas sales crashed again, the industry would just keep going. It's not reliant on them and didn't become what it is because of them.

American animation likely has even more global reach than anime, and the US population alone is twice as big as Japan's. They also have significantly larger budgets.

File: umaru-s2-2[1].jpg (33KB, 800x450px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 800x450px

>>94008316

and I'm their tag team partner!

>>94008359
Fucking cancer that nobody talked about after it finished

>>94008337
I blame netflix

File: bdc[1].png (1MB, 1173x780px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1173x780px

>>94008376

you know nothing

i'm just really in it for the incest, been needing a fix ever since oreimo and/or eromanga ended

File: 1440259705044.png (91KB, 225x238px) Image search: [Google]

91KB, 225x238px

>>94008337
You're right about overseas sales, but again, it seems like its just from a western perspective. Anime airs all over asia, man, there's more people in that one specific spot of asia than there are on the rest of the planet. Japanese culture gels a little better over there than in the west, not perfectly, but its culturally relevant, there's tons of chinese people who watch anime.

That said, yes, there's a huge otaku market, but it's comparable to the capeshit market made up of a bunch of old boomers with expendable income. They've started to have problems because a lot of those fans have been dying prematurely, so they're pushing for younger teen audiences. It's why shonen canceled a load of old series in favor of brand new ones, and as far as stuff like my hero academia is concerned, that's where the money is.

American animation is bloated, only a handful of studios have that kind of reach while the rest are fairly national only. Canadian animation actually has a much wider reach cause of france and, by proxy, africa, and by further proxy, specific spots in south america. America has a larger population, but there's explicitly more animators working in japan than in america because america literally does not hire animators in house most of the time, and those that do usually use very cheap puppet rig animation like rick and morty or bob's burgers, or the first season of star vs. It's a very big problem because animation is experiencing brain leak where anyone who knows how to animate just has to go work in other countries if they cant work at the one or two giga studios.

Larger budgets are kind of the problem, the entire reason shit is outsourced is because animators get paid too much as it is for work that honestly isnt worth that much money (and I say this as an animator), and add on top of that the mess that is the voice acting industry and how much the budget usually goes to marketing, it's killing the breathing room to make animation at all.

>>94008376
>fucking cancer
This is a meme. It's a completely harmless show with moderately successful disc sales. People are getting mad at it for no reason.

>>94007458
>and nobody asked for it.
Nobody asked for more DevilMan? Or is there something about this DevilMan that makes it bad, I haven't heard about it

File: aint-it-isnt-you-cute-if-hmos-little-ant-you-3476135.png (183KB, 500x779px) Image search: [Google]

183KB, 500x779px

>>94008427
>>94008359

>>94008461
It doesn't tell a story
Has no plot
Feeds waifu threads
No actual discussions occur upon airing of episodes
Feeding the shit posting as 100% of related threads are about oni this or oni that
Then there's the "on the front page spam"

>>93999671
Western animation is in ascendancy, and Japan is in stagnation and decay

File: the current state of co.png (348KB, 500x583px) Image search: [Google]

348KB, 500x583px

>To beat Anime we must become Anime

Yeah no fucking thanks.

File: nendo.jpg (117KB, 600x650px) Image search: [Google]

117KB, 600x650px

>>94008316
>tfw you missed out on the nendoroid preorders

File: nendo2.jpg (122KB, 600x800px) Image search: [Google]

122KB, 600x800px

>>94008502

>>94008458
I was citing Japanese statistics that don't specify where the foreign sales are coming from. But looking further down the document, it's shown that the US licenses the same amount of anime as China, and North America and Europe combined are as big as Asia. So it's a 50/50 split.

>That said, yes, there's a huge otaku market, but it's comparable to the capeshit market made up of a bunch of old boomers with expendable income. They've started to have problems because a lot of those fans have been dying prematurely, so they're pushing for younger teen audiences
Anime is a very big and active industry, there's always new fans coming in, and the otaku of the 80s were young at the time too. Even the wave of new fans created by Evangelion are only in their thirties and forties now. There are fewer children now which affects daytime anime and just makes anime skew towards older audiences. The average person at Comiket is in their early thirties.

>>93999671
>SJ was animated kino
Only if you stopped watching after Ep 3.

>>94008484
It does tell a story, but it's not supposed to have a plot. Not everything needs to have a plot.

>Feeds waifu threads
>No actual discussions occur upon airing of episodes
The same applies to a million other anime. So what?

>>94008486
Oh, so that's why the industry's profits and popularity have been going up for several years now. Because of stagnation and decay.

File: Yamato - Patrulha Estelar 2.jpg (121KB, 640x832px) Image search: [Google]

121KB, 640x832px

>>93999794
>Castlevania completely inspired by anime, right down to the cheap, shoddy "animation" used in everything but a few fight scenes.

Truth, but when was the last time you saw a cool anime like that? Castlevania looked like an OVA from the 80s, it has flaws but it's still incredibly fun,

the Japs only know how to make cute little girls doing nothing or light novels about nerds without personality with a tragic past in fantasy world making a harem with an invincible power, the best anime That they manage to do recently are some pretentious 2deep4you dramas, That just only really works if you are a horny teenager or a weeaboo

Anime is dying

>>94008612
>I haven't actually watched any anime in the last five years: the post

>>94008598
And the on the front page spam and oni buy me ect ect ect?

>>94008579
Oh look, it's this meme again.

>>94008644
>I can't discredit this post so I'll dismiss it as a meme!
Episode 4 onwards were a marked dip in show quality, in everevery respect. The writing lost all subtlety and became rushed as fuck, the tone swung all over the place, and they never even approached the cinematography of the fights in the first 3 episodes.

>>94008612
>Truth, but when was the last time you saw a cool anime like that?
Fantasy action? This season. And the previous one. And the one before that.

>the Japs only know how to make cute little girls doing nothing
These shows are a meme and don't actually exist.

>light novels about nerds without personality with a tragic past in fantasy world making a harem with an invincible power
This is a strawman, and light novels are not all the same or all fantasy.

>the best anime That they manage to do recently are some pretentious 2deep4you dramas, That just only really works if you are a horny teenager or a weeaboo
Why are dramas exclusively for "horny teenagers," and why would an extinct and minor American subculture from years ago have any relevance for the industry?

>Anime is dying
According to people who don't know anything about it, don't watch it, and think that the success or failure of anime is measured by how well it manages to appeal to the average Westerner (who is not the target audience).

>>94008624
They probably do it because they know it annoys you, and /a/ is a designated shitposting board in any case.

>>94008692
Ah the old "NOT EDGY ENUFF NEED MORE EDGE" excuse. How's it feel being born with no tastes pleb?

>>94008720
Literally nothing in that post claimed that edge was the reason why the first 3 episodes were good, you stupid projecting fucking blind faggot fanboy. Go back to your jashi threads and stay there.

File: 6f36a86399ef9925bf984784362361211413322525_full.jpg (72KB, 610x434px) Image search: [Google]

72KB, 610x434px

>>94008612
>The Japs only know how to make cute little girls doing nothing.
Not true, they made this.

File: [Victorique]_Gosick_-_01_[BD][h264-720p][FLAC][A31D882E].mkv_snapshot_12.11_[2016.09.29_23.34.45].jpg (132KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

132KB, 1280x720px

This utter hatred coming from some people, it's just insecurity right? Castlevania was just more animated action schlock to most of us, even I as a castlevania fan. But people latch onto it out of desperation saying "look! It's the best it's ever been!" simply to validate their fanatic devotion to the west. Or maybe it's a childish notion that if you enjoy eastern animation in any capacity you're a "weeaboo" and oh no I can't be called that!
It's so pointless and if the mods had any sense they'd delete these threads.

File: jap slap.jpg (1MB, 1342x1940px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1342x1940px

Anime was never good

File: hand10.jpg (43KB, 648x360px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 648x360px

>>94008821
I love Castlevania but the series is shit, mostly because it's so anime-like, so it's very talky and the animation sucks and nothing ever happens. The absolute worst thing is when two characters stand at the sidelines looking up at what's going on and they dump exposition at each other.

No, wait, the absolute worst thing is when two main characters stare each other down and dump exposition at each other.

>>93999671
>samurai Jack was Kino

Lol fuck no, that was jews shocking another corpse

>>94008883
Again, don't blame anime for whatever problems Castlevania has.

>Devilman
or rather
>DevilMan
>Not starring teenagers with a school setting
my dude....

>>94009074
Blaming anime for Castlevania's problems is pretty ironic considering that one of the seasonal animu has a better Dracula in it.

>>94008337
>There is no animation industry in the world better than the Japanese one.
There is literally 0 proof of this. Evidently because this thread have yet to prove why the Japs animation industry is superior to Western animation. Disney alone cuck the ever living shit out of Japanese animation.

>>94009215
The proof is in the pudding and has been explained at length many times in the past. Some people are just too blinded by nationalism to accept reality, don't actually know anything about anime, or have such a simplistic view of animation that they think more animation drawings = a better work of animation. Or all three.

File: 512.jpg (212KB, 640x987px) Image search: [Google]

212KB, 640x987px

>>94009215
well, here's something from "legend" Bruce Timm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeNi4PfNMqI
vs David Productions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9URcYCDH0KA

then here's some guy improving the former's trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_r-qsxGiKY

>>94008883
>fuck castlevania is animu trash reeee
It's doing the SOTN artstyle you fucking dong.
Holy shit i will never understand this irrational hatred for anime.

I get it you guys been on a war, they got nuked and got over it, nuke US and they would never recover.

>>93999671

https://youtu.be/Xm4fVBl781s

Is Japanese Animation finally taking over?

>>93999671
Lmao stop

>>93999956
>>94000355
>moe shit
It's like I'm in 2007

File: BKJHC-018-600x942.jpg (281KB, 600x942px) Image search: [Google]

281KB, 600x942px

>>94009308
But anon, he just recreated The Killing Joke from the amazing remastered version.

>>94009389
WHAT'S THE FUCKING SONG REHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Trevor Horn never releasing it

>>94001602
Nice reddit spacing

File: IMG_2524.gif (3MB, 360x270px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 360x270px

>>94000571
Depends on what is shown

>>93999671
Japs lack creativity but they do cuter characters and waifus

>>94009527
>Japs lack creativity
This is the exact opposite of reality.

>>94009482
enough with the fucking reddit spacing meme already you autist, nobody cares

>>94009442
It is /co/, people acting like anyone even still remembers Lucky Star or K-on is to be expected.

>>94009582
Tbh both lack in creativity, in Moonland it is constant isekai LN adaptions, in the States it is constant capeshit adaptions.

File: HA HA HAA.jpg (67KB, 617x603px) Image search: [Google]

67KB, 617x603px

>>94008612
>asks when the last time anyone saw an anime like anime from the 80's
>posts a picture of a 70's anime
>that got a pretty faithful remake in recent years

This must be the dumbest post anyone has ever made.

>>94009612
Adaptations of isekai light novels are a small minority. They just get a lot of attention because everyone in the West hates them. Although there are relatively many made right now, it's just a trend and will go away eventually.

And just because they are all in the same genre doesn't mean they are all the same. Right now there are three isekai shows running (or more?) and they are all different from each other. Isekai Shokudo in particular has a novel concept.

File: 1394260325216.gif (1000KB, 375x234px) Image search: [Google]

1000KB, 375x234px

>>93999671
Well, I'd say a good western(whatever that means) show is comparable to a good Nip show.

I see a lot of people comparing shit shows of both sides but if you're unironically watching those you might as well just off yourself.

>>94009723
But how many Western shows are there that are on the level of being comparable to anime? There are very few, and many of them were inspired by anime.

File: 14871111948082.jpg (929KB, 2790x1452px) Image search: [Google]

929KB, 2790x1452px

>>94008838
Yes, it was.

>>94010008
>implying that TLA was bad

>>94010080
It was.

>>93999671
no

File: 2017_Japan_Yearly_Box_Office.png (69KB, 805x665px) Image search: [Google]

69KB, 805x665px

Anime is better than Disn-

>>94009612

Dude, is like they never ended, like, they just fucking change its name and color their hair differently.

Why are cartoon girls not considered waifus? is it because they aren't moe? does a character has to be Japanese and or moe to be a waifu? why are Overwatch girls waifus then? can waifus be uggos?

>>94010008
>he actually thinks chip and dale and tiny toons were better than avatar
kill yourself and leave /co/ forever please

>>93999671
The answer is yes.
With Ghibli being on the verge of death, Japs literally have no advantage over other countries.
In Japan there currently are nothing but subpar studios like Memegger that only /a/utistic weebs care about.
WDAS was/is/will be the greatest studio as unchanging fact.

File: 1374519456576.gif (923KB, 500x263px) Image search: [Google]

923KB, 500x263px

>>94010003
>But how many Western shows are there that are on the level of being comparable to anime?
If you mean on a purely art quality you're correct, there are very few. This is due to their draconian almost self replicating teaching methods.
But in my book pure art quality can only get you so far if you're creatively bankrupt as Japan animation studios are forced to be.
They say this is the only way they remain self sustainable tho.
Which is ironically the opposite here, where everyone thinks he's a genius but no one's actually funding anyone or willing to do any work.

>many of them were inspired by anime
Indeed, but what entertainment industry doesn't copy what's working at the moment?
Also, I think Japan more than almost any other non-western country in the world is inspired by myth, tales and themes from our western civilization in their art. So I'd say we earned that at least.

File: Cinegrid-Maidragon02.webm (3MB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1280x720px

Anime has cute girls and better animation overall than western cartoons, Castlevania looks like garbage, Samurai Jack was disappointing and gimmicky, DevilMan is being made by a Japanese studio. Moe is great.

>>94010244
>Dude, is like they never ended, like, they just fucking change its name and color their hair differently.
This is completely deranged and has no relation to reality.

>>94010352
>if you're creatively bankrupt as Japan animation studios are forced to be
They aren't creatively bankrupt.

>>94008479
That one off-handed mention of Animaniacs didn't confirm to you that you're talking to Famicom?

>>94010344
>Ghibli
Eh, I thought Mushi/Tezuka Pro (when Tezuka actually ran both during their heydays of course) or classic Toei Doga was the best country had to offer for the sheer variety and experimentation in styles.

>>94010278
Waifu as a concept has been lost on /co/, and so called "ironic weebs". When a person is insane enough to fall in love with a fictional character and devote themselves to that character as a real person, that is a waifu.
So sure, a cartoon character can be a waifu. But you pretty much never see anyone go that far for them. Cartoon girls don't inspire the same kind of insanity, usually.

Look at those Christmas threads on /a/ and /v/ with people making shrines and giving food to their waifus. The same waifus they'd been with for up to 10 years.That's what a waifu is.

>>94008612
Man I don't think I've seen a post in a while in which everything about it was retarded

>>94010356
If only you would include anime that isn't shit in your post.

>>94009527
they have for more genres that actually work in both animation and manga format. the west cant even get away from cape stuff

File: confession.webm (2MB, 854x480px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 854x480px

>>94010356
>*Godani has better animation overall than western cartoons

>>94010488
>hey have for more genres that actually work in both animation and manga format.
Which? Some of the stuff they make could've very well been replicated in live-action.

File: Cinegrid-Kyokai01.webm (1MB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1280x720px

>>94010510
How can western flash and toon boom """animation""" studios even compete

>>93999671
>weeb reaction images

Nope, no insecurity here. No, Siree!

>>94010558
The fight scenes in this one are utter ass package tho.

File: Spring-2017-Anime-Chart-2.0.jpg (3MB, 1388x6500px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1388x6500px

>>94009527
>Japs lack creativity
This line up is just for spring. care to post all the new and creative shows that came out in the same time span in the west? Never mind the fact they come out with more movies in a single season than we come up with series in 5 years

File: killinger.png (82KB, 250x229px) Image search: [Google]

82KB, 250x229px

>>94010592
>warau salesman

File: 1498911393152.webm (3MB, 800x452px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 800x452px

>>94010589
Yeah, Kyoani doesn't really know how to coregraph, fights, last time they did fights before that show was in like 2003, but it was never their forte, they don't have good fight animators.

>>94007458
Fuck off Famicom.

>>94010224
Weebs on suicide watch!

>>94009718
>Adaptations of isekai light novels are a small minority.
And they are still fucking pushing that meme as far as the eye can see.
>SAO
>Overlord
>Re:creator
>Re:Zero
>Kobayashi
>Konosuba
>Isekai Shokudo
>Knight's & Magic
Literally all of these are complete shit. If it's not Isekai then it's another moeshit SOL cancer.

>They just get a lot of attention because everyone in the West hates them.
As it should be because they're godawful. If you really desperate to waste time at least read good proper isekai like Chronicles of Narnia or something.

>If you mean on a purely art quality you're correct
You're objectively wrong though.
Alexander Petrov>All japanimation combined
Homeworld cutscenes>All modern japanimation combined.

>>94005918
>Science Saru

Just so you know, their film "Lu Over the Wall" flopped that the studio can't ever recover.
It was taken off the theaters in Japan only in a few weeks.
So, whatever they make next will be DOA.

>>94010662
Wow you listed less than 10 series in an industry with hundreds of new works being released on a seasonal basis.

>>94010696
>Just so you know, their film "Lu Over the Wall" flopped that the studio can't ever recover.
>It was taken off the theaters in Japan only in a few weeks.
Source?

>>94010706
>hundreds of new works being released on a seasonal basis.
Are you seriously arguing that quantity>quality in fucking 4chan of all places? By that same metric American TV shows are better than all of japshit TV shows combined.

>>94010662
There are many shows every season, and even if there are three or four isekai shows (which there usually aren't) there are still 30-40 others. And isekai is just a genre like any other. I bet if isekai shows were all replaced with cyberpunk, Westerners would be falling over themselves praising the astounding creative genius of the industry.

>Literally all of these are complete shit.
This is literally a meme.

>If it's not Isekai then it's another moeshit SOL cancer.
Moeshit doesn't exist.

>Alexander Petrov>All japanimation combined
>Homeworld cutscenes>All modern japanimation combined.
I'm sure you wish this is what reality was like.

>>94010771
I never implied that, but you seem to nitpick a lot just to prove that all japanese anime is the same, and now you're moving goalposts.

>>94010771
You're moving the goal posts
>everything is x
>x is only a fraction of any given season

>>94010735
Not to be seen even in Top 100.
Probably the biggest flop in years.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/japan/yearly/

>>94010771
quantity DOES beat quality when the quantity of their work is quality

>>94010662
>Alexander Petrov
M8, I love the man. But we're talking about general entertainment industry here, not personal projects with methods that take five centuries to make.

>Homeworld cutscenes
11/10 designs, but barely any animation to speak of here.

>>94010834
That doesn't tell much, most anime films are released in so few theaters that 1 or 2 billion yen in ticket sales is more than enough to at least break even, and that is for movies with high profile. Toho for example was counting on Your Name to gross a bit over 2 billion to break even but it ended up making over 25 or so billion yen.

>>94010771
>>94010662
No I'm sorry but you're being very foolish. This is what I said before, you start to believe some myth about anime, and without watching anything or looking at the charts you fanatically believe it no matter what people tell you.
He's not saying quantity>quality. He's bringing into question your statement "all anime is either x or y" isekai or moe, when you named but eight series out of hundreds.

Did you know that sports is a huge genre in anime? How about mecha? There are far more mecha series airing each year than isekai. Tons and tons of niche genres like psychological gambling, modern fantasy like Fate, comedies like Gintama. Shounen battle series like the big three I'm sure you know. Seinen battle series like Kabaneri, sci-fi like Knights of Sidonia and Psycho Pass. Whatever the hell you call the shows that Trigger makes, Little Witch Academia and Luluco. I fucking love a series called Saki which is all about playing mahjong, but I'm sure you'd blanket it under "moe shit" because it has cute girls, though you have to think and learn the game to even understand what's going on.

>>94010696
>their film "Lu Over the Wall" flopped that the studio can't ever recover.
>whatever they make next will be DOA.
Wew, might as well file for that bankruptcy now, I guess.

>>94010793
>There are many shows every season
Which are mostly shit yes.

>there are still 30-40 others.
Again which are mostly shit.

>all replaced with cyberpunk, Westerners would be falling over themselves praising the astounding creative genius of the industry.
They already did that and the only decent shit they did was GIITS, everything else was pure tripe when compared to western cyberpunk in terms of writing.

>This is literally a meme.
You're right, isekai are literally meme shit shich is why those shows are godawful.

>Moeshit doesn't exist.
I wish it really is since then modern anime have a chance to improve itself but nope gotta pander to those moeshitter everytime!

>I'm sure you wish this is what reality was like.
Why should I wish for something that's already a reality.? That is why you can't post an example beating Petrov animation.

>>94010807
>but you seem to nitpick a lot just to prove that all japanese anime is the same
I have never tried to prove this you bum nigger nor was I moving goalpost. I was saying Isekai is shit along with moeshit SOL which it is.

>>94010854
AHAHAHAHAHA you don't even believe this.

>>94010865
>But we're talking about general entertainment industry here
You said animation on a purely art quality and Petrov fits that to a T. Sure his work takes time but I would rather watch his work then 99% seasonal anime shit that airs on TV nowadays.

>11/10 designs, but barely any animation to speak of here.
That is ironic considering we're discussing about anime. Nevertheless I wish leafs would put all their animation budget on whoever animated that because I would literally came buckets if they have smooth animation with that artstyle. DOK was a step in the right direction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bseNXBUKlJM

>>94010891
kek, are you shitting me? most of those are godawful. you don't actually think that LWA, Apocrappa and Psycho Pass is good aren't you?

>>94011209
They come out with more NEW watched shows by the east and the west every month. In total more people choose to watch something different while also watching series already out.

hows southpark,simpsons,family guy,spongebob,loudhouse,TTG,and Gumball treating you?

>>94011209
>Which are mostly shit yes.
>Again which are mostly shit.
Meme.

>They already did that and the only decent shit they did was GIITS, everything else was pure tripe when compared to western cyberpunk in terms of writing.
According to you, but I was talking about how Westerners in general would react.

>You're right, isekai are literally meme shit shich is why those shows are godawful.
Meme.

>I wish it really is since then modern anime have a chance to improve itself but nope gotta pander to those moeshitter everytime!
Moeshit doesn't exist.

>Why should I wish for something that's already a reality.?
It isn't reality.

>>94010338
They were, Tiny Toons is the gold stander of Japanese animation when Avatar is a insult to Japanese Animation.

Chip N' Dale Rescue Rangers is in the B-List.

Please look up >>94007865

Any Japanese equivalent of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzbE0wpqeKc

>>94011288
Moeshit exists, it is whatever *I* don't happen to like.

>>94011317
>Animation by:Animal Ya(House)

It's already Japanese.

>>93999671
>Samurai Jack was Animated kino
>Moeshit has confirmed that 99% of Japanese anime is shit starring teenagers in a school setting, no matter the genre

I know it's bait but I can't help it.

>>94011317
Equivalent of what exactly?

>>94011365
Read >>94011333

>>94011209
You said anime = only moe and isekai.
I proved your statement wrong (despite moe not even being a genre dumbass)
>most of those are godawful
You moved the goalpost away from "genres" so I don't even know what you're trying to argue anymore. Quality? If you think your pretty little animation project is better then go ahead, it's subjective.

Why is Devilman listed among western animation? Its completely being produced by japanese studios, netflix has some hand in it though but thats just funding and licensing if anything.

>>94011333
You are aware Freakazoid is simply Japanese outsourced and not an anime, right?

>>94011281
Thing is, America as a whole doesn't churn out over 200 entire series a year, whereas the Japanese do, and that's partially responsible for the shitty conditions they have to work in.

>>94009442
>>94000355
Isekai moeshit is still moeshit

moeshit with a quirk, is still moeshit.

and 3/4s of all seasonal anime is always trash mate, really, the common denominator argument ain't gonna work

>>94011437
>why would op put effort in his b8 when weaboos are sure to bite no matter what he writes?

>>94010558

pretentious flotathy low test cutesy and overly emotional.

>>94010637

Now this is more like it.

File: 1467251693677.jpg (124KB, 640x1080px) Image search: [Google]

124KB, 640x1080px

>>94011209
>Sure his work takes time but I would rather watch his work then 99% seasonal anime shit that airs on TV nowadays.
Except that's never going to be viable because people want to animate more that one video in their lifetimes famalam.

>Nevertheless I wish leafs would put all their animation budget on whoever animated that because I would literally came buckets if they have smooth animation with that artstyle
At most you'd get a movie, no one twentyish show will have that type of quality. Apart from that, half of this is your average in-game engine cutscene stuff.
Now Imma go get this game and play it.

>>94011521
>moeshit vs mechashit

Both are shit and shouldn't exist.

>>94011466
>and that's partially responsible for the shitty conditions they have to work in.
so while american capitalism treats shows that do make the cut as kings, chinks struggle day in and out even when they do strike gold. YET, chinks still manage to get lucky by flinging more shit in a month than the US does in a year. All shits aside though there is one thing I noticed in jap shows time and time again. In my OPINION, japs have far more insistence where they enjoy what they do and it shows in the quality. Not saying its an every show thing but certain shows just jump in quality and I doubt its entirely budget related considering how inconsistent it is

>>94011488
Moeshit doesn't exist.

>and 3/4s of all seasonal anime is always trash mate
Meme.

>>94011555
One of them is a genre and the other doesn't exist.

>>94011497
I was actually hoping for someone to correct me to see if there was more netflix involvement.

>>94010592

Half of it is truly moeshit, frills and little ribbons everywhere, I prefer yet another mon series ( who have more eyecatching designs and bolder lines) now, moe is enjoyed by plenty of people, but if you happen to dislike it, you will hate a bunch of series because most of what is being produced is moe, like up to 60% however moe fans can't get enough of it.

The problem is that moe waifufags and Otaku in general cannot grasp that people actually like and dislike different things for no logical reasons. So they will try to "convert" other people in to liking something.

Weebs are truly the Jehovah Witnesses of the web.

>>94011572
Nevermind the last part, I read mechashit as moeshit.

Mecha is also a genre.

>>94011466
Yes and it's called being politically correct.

>shitty conditions they have to work in.
Not all Japanese studios are like that.

>>94011584
Moeshit doesn't exist. Weebs don't exist. Otaku exist, but not in the way Westerners think they do.

>>94011466
You are aware Freakazoid is simply Japanese outsourced and not an anime, right?
Again, you're talking to Famicom of all people.

>>94011555

well change the mechas for humans or monsters, you get the idea, the current moe trend looks as eerie as rotoscoped drawings, it is starting to get unsettling, If you can draw good, draw something cool instead. Robots that fight each other are great, the problem are the mecha tropes, and that is, again due cultural differences, yeah I know even other Asians think the Japanese are weird.

>>94011557
There are a lot of passion projects were even if they dont get payed for more or better frames they still do them because they are so obsessed with producing something of perfection. You have to be this insane about animation to work in that industry for longer than 3 years.

One Punch Man comes to mind. Those animators didnt have to go that hard but they did because they liked it.

>>94011627

Can cartoon girls be waifus though? or ugly characters cannot be considered waifus?

>>94011669
In theory, yes. In practise, unlikely. There's a reason why /co/ doesn't talk about much more than rule 34, fetishes and muh dick.

>>94011572
>Moeshit doesn't exist.

Moeshit exists, it's not a genre, it's a style.

Or better said a collection of stylistic traits meant to capitalize on the fantasies and wishful thinking of weebs.

>>94011705
It doesn't exist, so it can't be a style or collection of traits either.

Weebs are unknown in Japan and would be irrelevant there even if anyone knew what they were. They also don't exist anymore.

>>94011632
It's called being politically correct, look it up.

>>94011689

What do you mean by practice?

File: 247ba50ddc01534e5e4c2669937c2b1eeacdca3c58e5aaf6962f3aba7dd53245.png (159KB, 540x450px) Image search: [Google]

159KB, 540x450px

>>94011723
>Weebs are unknown in Japan
>and would be irrelevant there even if anyone knew what they were

You think the anime fandom doesn't exist in Japan?

>It doesn't exist

it exists and traits of this style can be found and identified across multiple genres.

>>94011783
I mean there's very few if any cases of someone having a cartoon character as their waifu.

>>94011790
Weebs are by definition non-Japanese, and are not synonymous with anime fans. Anime fans still exist, weebs don't.

>it exists and traits of this style can be found and identified across multiple genres.
It does not exist. You think it does, but it doesn't.

File: only anime girls and some videogame girls can be waifus.jpg (54KB, 351x499px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 351x499px

>>94011723

Educate yourself kid. Have you written a book? are you Japanese? I didn't thought so.

>>94011810
I own that book and I'm older than you.

Moeshit does not exist.

>>93999671
yes

>>94011627
>Otaku exist

Hell yeah, Hayao Miyazaki is one, for planes and automobiles. That's not the kind we're talking about though, and you know it.

>>94011790
Weaboos are wapanese
How the fuck can a Jap be wapanese?

>>94011806

I used to think I wad a cartoon waifu until most waifu communities shunned me and her for being very Ugly in comparison to anime girls to the point they spoiled my pics so I stopped calling her or any cartoon character a "waifu", seems waifus NEED to be in manga style to be considered "true".

>>94011806
weeb is a western insult for anime fans mate, it's literally a negative way to call you an anime fan.

the japanese anime fandom is by far the biggest subculture they have

>It does not exist. You think it does, but it doesn't.

Do you have a single fact to back that up.

>>94011835
I didn't say anything about Miyazaki.

>>94011837
Remember Pearl Harbor?
Remember Nanking?
Thats how.

>>94011825

If it is in wikipedia is real

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_(slang)

Wikipedia is never wrong, except everything about space and earth being round.

>>94011860
Weeb means wannabe Japanese. Those people are long gone.

>Do you have a single fact to back that up.
Do you have a single fact to back up that moeshit exists? No. You may think you do, but you don't. Everyone has their own unique definition of moeshit. That's why it doesn't mean anything, and doesn't exist.

>>94011880
That article is about moe, not moeshit.

>>94011892

moeshit is shit that is moe and by shit we mean things and by thing we mean Anime.

Moeshit is Anime that is moe, or as I call them Extremely Feminine Japanimantion or EFJA.

File: do you have a single keychan to open that door.png (22KB, 550x528px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 550x528px

>>94011892
>Weeb means wannabe Japanese. Those people are long gone.

semantics. the argument still stands. moehsit entinces the wishful thinking and fantasies of anime fans and otakus.

>veryone has their own unique definition of moeshit. That's why it doesn't mean anything, and doesn't exist.

every one has their own definition about what fascism means. are you going to claim fascism don't exist?

>That article is about moe, not moeshit.

moeshit is literally a derogative term for moe elements in anime, you fucking autist.

>>94012014
Moeshit doesn't exist, and neither do moe elements.

>>94012037
sure thing kevin-san

>>94012088
Stating facts does not make someone a weeaboo.

>>94011980
How do you draw a line between what's moe and what's not?
Is Made in Abyss moeshit? Sailor Moon? CCS?

Can character design alone make something "moeshit"?

>>94011654
I will admit I have seen this in regular show, and gumball rather often with adventure time and spongebob having it sparingly

>>94012131
Yes to all of them

>>94011281
Like I said, quantity is not better than quality. They churn almost a hundred show but only 5% percent of them ever reached above average. Westerners churns out more TV program and documentaries than the japs. Does that mean they're all good?

>>94011288
We already agreed that Isekai and SOL moeshit are meme cancer.

>>94011402
>You said anime = only moe and isekai.
I never said that you fried jiggaboo coonskin, I was replying to that poster that said Isekai was a minority and didn't even disagree with him, it's just that the nips still pushes that meme genre inhumanely and when they're not doing that shit they pushes out moeshit(especially SOL) like no other.

>>94011531
>Except that's never going to be viable
I never said that his work is viable in terms of scheduling and production. Despite of those cumbersome process he's still able to make beautiful detailed animation better than the Jap. My Love is one of my favourite but I've never seeing Firebird yet.

>At most you'd get a movie, no one twentyish show will have that type of quality.
I settle for anything really, even if it is a short animation work. I just want to see more of this type of animation.

>Apart from that, half of this is your average in-game engine cutscene stuff.
The cinematic transitions to that(or maybe it's made with both digital art and in-game model, I don't know) but I like the pastel effects that they did.

>Now Imma go get this game and play it.
eh I don't like SP-focused RTS that much but it's decent. I give it a 6.5. Above average gameplay but amazing art direction and cinematic feel.

>>94011767
The fuck does 'political correctness' have anything to do with basic production facts?

>>94012203
>They churn almost a hundred show but only 5% percent of them ever reached above average.
Meme.

>We already agreed that Isekai and SOL moeshit are meme cancer.
The claim that they are meme cancer is itself a meme.

>the nips still pushes that meme genre inhumanely and when they're not doing that shit they pushes out moeshit(especially SOL) like no other.
The Japanese anime market doesn't revolve around you, and moeshit doesn't exist.

>he's still able to make beautiful detailed animation better than the Jap
No he isn't.

>>94012178
But why is this the case? What's a specific distinction between moe and not moe?
Does a show just need (subjectively) cute girls to be moeshit?

>>94012131
Well, compare Lucky Star with Yotsuba To!. Both are comedies that rely almost exclusively on moe elements.

In the latter the moe is based on a kid's point of view and falls in line with the theme and pace of the story. it has a purpose and creates a good athmosphere overall.

In the former it's just there because so ronery fgts get boners and turns the whole thing into a saturated color mess (with frankly good voice acting)

>>94012308
>In the former it's just there because so ronery fgts get boners
Meme.

Anime is just a meme in the West. Everything about it is imagined, nothing about it is known.

>>94012203
>Like I said, quantity is not better than quality
You say that when we get 2 new shows a year and they get well 100. Chances are youre gonna like more than 2 out of that 100 and if you dont like the 2 released here than you're fucked. You're quality vs quantity statement doesnt hold any ground

>>94012333
yes, we didn't have dozens of series capitalizing on LS's sucess by making the moe designs even more sexual

sure thing, kevin-san

>>94012364
There is no such thing as a moe design, there's nothing particularly sexual about Lucky Star's designs, and stating facts doesn't make someone a weeaboo.

>>94011849

>wad

had*

>>94012417
It has a girls that are not covered from head to toe in burqas, therefore it is sexualized.

>>94012301
Yes.

>>94012417

if moe does not exists, then why are Anime girls considered moe yet cartoon girls not? I really need that Moe manifesto to know what the hell people are talking about, to me Anime girls = tits, it was a s simple as that.

>>94012488
I didn't say moe doesn't exist.

>>94012203
>Like I said, quantity is not better than quality

It is when quantity equals variety. You're claiming pizza every day for the rest of your life is better than eating around. Sure you can change the toppings but the base will always be the fucking same in your all pizza life

>>94007662
>Anime has the best animation in the world
The French are superior in literally every way.

>>94012417
>There is no such thing as a moe design

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%90%8C%E3%81%88

I don't think you understood the implications behind "even more sexual". The early moeshit animes weren't necessarily lewd, but it was obvious they were popular because the adult audiences wanted to put their dick in them, and sutdios capitalized on it by making the moe designs progresively more sexual in subtle and not so subtle ways

are you gonna keep going "nuh-uh" and nitpicking statements everyone else understands the context of, or are you gonna talk about the topic like a proper person.

hint: the answer you choose is directly correlative to the amount of times you get called kevin-san.

>>94007482
No that's not the one, that's the TMSfag summoning.

>Inb4 IMMA NOT FAMICUM YOURS IS THE TROLLING ONE.

>>94012566
how many international awards have they won?

>>94012566
They're literally not.

>>94012575
>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%90%8C%E3%81%88
What is your point?

>The early moeshit animes weren't necessarily lewd
What early moeshit animes? There is no such thing as moeshit, so there can also be no such thing as early moeshit.

>sutdios capitalized on it
This is not how anime production works.

>>94012597
About as much as any anime that isn't a Studio Ghibli film.

>>94012636
They literally are.

>>94012673
You literally think they are just because they are Western. People never want to accept Japan being better than the West--especially America--at anything.

>>94012723
The French are superior to all other countries because they actually animate rather than have a slideshow that isn't a fight scene with anime or kiddie shit in America.

>>94012855
>slideshow
Meme. You don't know anything about anime.

Hey fapbait anon, dragonmaid is still tumblr yurishit.

>>94012882
Compared to the fluidity of French animation, it might as well be a slideshow.

>>94012723

Is actually the opposite, of Japanophiles being elitists thinking cartoon girls cant be waifus because they are to ugly.

They need a lesson in diversity. And I know just the guy.

>>94012855
there is a series out right now about competitive dancing and its not bombing

>>94008286
literally kino

>>94012914
It's also incorrect that animation quality is determined by fluidity. It's not.

But it's time for me to go. >>94012913 is going to summon 8-chan's /co/ and /cow/ here and hijack the thread. Months ago 8-chan's /co/ got extremely upset at me because someone criticized Kobayashi's Maid Dragon and I defended it, and they haven't stopped hunting me down since. It's likely that they won't be able to move past this for the rest of their lives.

File: id_image_344.jpg (201KB, 1200x800px) Image search: [Google]

201KB, 1200x800px

>>94012636
Lucky Star is proof of concept for moeshit. kevin-san. Form there on each anime season began to sport more and more "cute for cute's sake" series, signalling the beginning of moeshit.

>This is not how anime production works.

So the studio producers in charge of designs don't design their animes?

Sure thing, kevin-san.

>They're literally not.

They are obscure as all fuck and extremely niche, but what they produce is top notch save for a couple meme series like wakfu.

Sadly they don't like doing semi realistic styles so it's hard to draw a direct comparison between works.

pic related. GOAT historical series, but so stupidly niche in style and genre it will never see light outside france. Beats the shit out of anime seasonal anime.

>>94012855
Nah that depends. The French also use Flash and 3d to 2d animation.

>>94012723
>You literally think they are just because they are Western.

ignorant weeb.

File: 43cb73334aa13cbfb42c578a50e899f42ed1e7b93d03cc9cce7c1481b5baf47b.png (53KB, 1798x962px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 1798x962px

>>94013034
Nigga you had a fucking meltdown because someone said anime will never be cultural important on 8-chan's /tv/

>>94012914
let us count the number of french shows that became international sensations with our left hand shall we?

File: zESMKlh.gif (3MB, 600x300px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 600x300px

>>94013034
Fluidity is just one aspect, but the French are also superior in every other aspect.

>>94013046
They're also superior in those mediums as well.

File: boards.4chan.org 1453515087013.png (22KB, 320x179px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 320x179px

>>94013034
>fucking DRAGON MAID
will you deny now you are a textbook kevin-san?

>>94007662
>Anime has the best animation in the world.
They can do some pretty detailed art, but the actual animation is usually half the framerate of what you'd typically expect from elsewhere.

>>94013097
>if it's popular, that means it's good
If that were the case, McDonald's would be a five star restaurant. The French also has superior cuisine

>>94013152
let us count the number of french restaurants that make billions because everyone wants to eat them with our left hand shall we?

>>94013105
am I gonna have to swtich from making fun of the weeaboo to making fun of the oiuaboo?

>>94013079

He is a dumbass for refusing to believe that the Japanese make Anime characters moe on purpose, but calling Anime "culturally irrelevant" is also an outright lie, it is an staple of Japanese culture. Almost alien in nature for the rest of the world.

File: cao cao.gif (2MB, 320x200px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 320x200px

>>94013046
>Lucky Star is proof of concept for moeshit

Kek, moeshit predates LS by fucking decades, m8.

File: french_guy.jpg (27KB, 283x424px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 283x424px

>>94013205
Enjoy your cheap hamburgers and cheap animation then.

>>94013218
>oiuaboo
This is a meme

>>94013152
>if it's popular, that means it's good
If it's a show yes. 1 million people saying a show is good compared to 4 anons saying it's bad means the show is good. It's entertainment.

>>94013262
>It's entertainment
French animation is art you uncultured swine

>>94013148

People refuse to believe it, but I guarantee, it is genetic, I have never seen Animation from anywere else in the world that has such line quality I swear it is micrometric, I have seen plenty of faux anime, they can copy the motion, proportions and lighting of Anime but what spoils the whole thing is the linework, they never do it like the Japs. Just like how Blacks are naturally good at dunking it ( in more than one way ;D ) Japs are good at being very detailed and precise in what they do, I bet this is why they are also good in miniaturization.

>>94013259
enjoy billions of peoples first time hearing the word french is when their parents order french fries off the menu at McDonalds

>>94013152
French cuisine is thoroughly overrated and is only popular because of Britain's Anglo-Saxon middle-class that has pretty much dedicated their whole existence to aping their Franco-British overlords.

File: 2058694-jean_de_baton03.jpg (122KB, 464x420px) Image search: [Google]

122KB, 464x420px

>>94013401
Superman's favorite dish is Beef Bourguignon. Even your American icons see the superiority of the French.

>>94013456
>a country founded by anglos and whose dominant ethnicity they formed until recently also shares their shit taste

What a fucking surprise.

>>94013245
Now that's something we can debate for a while

Moe elements are as old as anime itself. This is a fact. But moe alone doesn't make moeshit. You need a specific combination of elements to get something like moeshit going. (ie: casual "comedic" convesations amongst girls that take lewd angles or have innuendo compeltely unbeckoning of the anime's themes)

While some series got dangerously close to moeshit, they mostly drifted to their own niches. It was Lucky Star that got the mix "right" and began to attract massive adult / young adult audiences for things that at first glance were for kids.

In fact, i'd argue that if it weren't for Lucky Star exploding in popularity, anime wouldn't have been overtaken by subtly lewd moe elements like it was in the early 10s, Hell, Lucky Star wasn't even the most moeshit series out there, that prize goes to Moe-fucking-tan where the male character outright lusts over a "teenager with a loli easthetic".

If it weren't for LS; moeshit would have been confined to a shitty comedy niche like Moetan was.

File: 1431230588853.jpg (120KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

120KB, 1280x720px

>this thread
And I thought Sucrose threads were bad.

File: IMG_1873.png (350KB, 1914x904px) Image search: [Google]

350KB, 1914x904px

>>94013079
>QUALITY DISCUSSION

>>94013456
Since when Superman fights akumatized weirdos?

>>94013863
First time in a Famicon thread, I gather.

>Another /co/ thread displaying their ignorance about anime
>on a weeb website
Where do you think you are?

>>94001974
>I was unimpressed with it's rabid anti-clericalism but season 2 might get better
Felt like filler honestly. The parts that actually adapted the game were pretty good.

>the three of them are anime rip offs
>i-is western animation taking over!!!
Oh! I am laffing!

>>94010662
You are too harsh on SOL genre. Not every SOL anime is moeshit

>>93999671
Just now Japan, the country is having problems with its banks, a crisis so animation is being reduce to elemental products or in other words instead of adapting great mangas they're producing porn and harems.

They have a lot material to work already written in manga but they can't animate those cause it's a risk.

So it is not that Japan animation has a crisis but the country has a big problem now

About American animation there're many korean animations nowaday and "American" animation (Disney insists all the movies produced by one of the most famous companies of Japan written and animated by Japaneses are american now cause Disney bought them)

American animation has improved since Adventure time but CN is trying to sell cheap shit cause they're greedy and I don't see a bright future for American animation if people don't want to invest on it.

>>93999671
What could mean taking over in this case?

Is Western animation taking over its own country?

>>94015649
Correction: two of them are anime ripoffs, one is anime with some amount of western funding behind it.

>>94011632
Good point. Not like he'd know the finer points of animation outsourcing.

>>94011601
I know you're invoking the brick wall theory here Famifuck, but I'll tell you right now that the majority of the industry is like that- The animators get overworked to the point of death. Companies like Toei, Pierrot and the like have to juggle multiple series at a time (either produced by them or in outsourced facilities). Hell, an episode director of Naruto died while working on a Pierrot-outsourced episode of a Production I.G series: https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2017/07/18/welcome-to-the-ballroom-episode-2/. To say nothing about how often shows get many episodes outsourced to companies per season.

Face it, it's a problem that needs addressing, "Political correctness" doesn't factor shit into these kinds of discussions.

Your precious TMS may or may not confine themselves to a similar situation, I'm not entirely sure (I can't prove it, and I sure as shit know that neither can you).

>>93999671
Western animation in terms of animation itself without the script has improved but is really far away from japanese animation, I mean the difference between stone age and modern age.

Traditional animation belongs to Japan, 3D animation is a complicated competition cause Disney is interested in one style while Japan in other one. They aren't looking for the same thing.

>>94016799
>3D animation is a complicated competition cause Disney is interested in one style while Japan in other one.
That's a strange way of saying Disney blowing the ever living fuck out of the japs.

>Traditional animation belongs to Japan
kek no

>>93999671
Castlevania was fucking bottom of the barrel anime garbage.

It is nice to see a focus on horror and action again in anime.

Maybe Netflix will be adding glorious 80s back catalogue to their libraries in my lifetime

>>94017095
You mean in 3D animation? Because then you are right. But why do you have such hate boner anime or japan in general?

>>94016702
You do know that the guy had heard issues since he was a child and that Akihito fined both IG & Pierrot 50 million yen (around $500,000 million dollars) each for said incident right?

As for TMS.
https://www.filmfad.com/back-drawing-board-eric-tms-animation/

File: timing evened out pendulum.webm (241KB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]

241KB, 640x480px

>>94010008
>>94011290
TMS shill pls leave
TMS can't do timing even for the simplest motion

>>94018871
Okay

1. You keep saying things without any proper evidence. If you can't walk the walk, you have no right to talk the talk. Or just talk period.
2. Linking me an opinion piece article. I'll admit it's a decent enough read, but why? This doesn't prove any of your points.

And if anyone had any problems as a child, it would have been you Famifuck. How do your parents deal with this? And you better answer this like you do your constant TMS spamming.

>>94019124
Naoi please leave.
Telecom was reserved on Little Nemo during Rescue Rangers' production as everyone at TMS that did Rescue Rangers ended up at Disney Japan anyway.

Thats why the TMS episodes of Rescue Rangers were stiff and stilted compared to the much more fluid episode of The New Adventures of Winnie The Pooh of which you can tell Telecom did work on as Pooh & Piglet have the same run cycles as Lupin & Jigen.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4d1goj

In short.

Stiff and stilted = Proto Disney Japan (TMS Studio 4)
Fluid and lively = Telecom (TMS Studio 3)

And to prove my point.

Proto Disney Japan Wuzzles episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcAh62hcsOk
Telecom Wuzzles episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeWTQXm1vZQ

>>94019265
1.That was brought up in this year's G20, thats how much of a issue this is.
2.That was not the point, the point was that TMS was very expensive and that they were treated like human beens.
3.My parents had no interest in animation, all they know was that I was watching high class shows and what I tended to watch at 5 were old Looney Tunes (Sunset and post 48) shorts and Tiny Toons reruns on Nick.

>>94019569
There is a difference, I'll give the devil his due. The problem is that it didn't happen enough, and in the grand scheme of things. TMS were not really much better than their contemporaries upon critical glance. Outsourcing or no.

And Rescue Rangers' stiff animation was an overall problem. I think we made that abundantly clear when that thread was around.

>>94019760
1. I'm glad you see that it's an issue, the problem is that I need more credible sources.
2. doesn't matter, Fami. And besides, I believe companies like WB had a set per-episode budget. Didn't matter who the hell was animating.
3. I wasn't talking about that, I was meaning "what would they thing when their son gets into internet slapfights over his obesssions?" Because that's what it ultimately broils down to.

File: DFHCZKZVwAAERzr.jpg (152KB, 670x1191px) Image search: [Google]

152KB, 670x1191px

Can't wait to see Tony thrash the floor with Thanos

>>94020513
1.Are you trying to say that even KyoAni suffers with this (just not as badly)?
2.On Tiny Toons Wang & Akom episodes were $350,000 a pop when Telecom, Kennedy & Freelance were $500,000 due to their higher salaries, the only studio to pass a million was Startoons and thats because they were local rather then forging and hence no forging to american money exchange rates to fall back on.
3.I keep my online life away from my offline life.

By the way, are you kViN? I will like to say sorry for the mistranslated links.

>>94020878
1. Not quite, KyoAni works on a different principle than most studios.
2. Not sure I buy that figure. Sauce?
3. Probably for the best, I'd say.
4. No, I'm not. But I have read his stuff.

>>94021489
1.So does TMS, as of late they don't even do their own animation anymore unless it's Anpanman and Conan for the most part (Nobunaga's Shinobi being the exception), leaving the animation to places like Studio Hibari and Shin-Ei Doga.
2. http://www.toonzone.net/forums/threads/animation-studios-for-batman-episodes.3269631/
3.I'm just looking to repair my reputation after giving you mistranslated links and spotty info from 2Ch.
4.I see.

>>94021818
>http://www.toonzone.net/forums/threads/animation-studios-for-batman-episodes.3269631/
Doesn't give any shit about costs dude.

>>94022843
>I like the animation done Spectrum and TMS the most. I only wish TMS or Spectrum had done more episodes. But they must've been the most expensive ones to use, since their animation was the best.

Due to that TMS was being paid more then the Korean studios used by Warner Bros at the time it's why TMS & Spectrum were only used on a few episodes compared to the but loads of episodes they ditched to Korea.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBudgetBeefUp